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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: nyg on November 22, 2014, 03:33:34 PM
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Maybe at Depaul a few years ago, but at least they were in the BE. This is a Summitt League team and MU played them on own court.
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This team is gonna be horrible this year....
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@ UW-GB.
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@ UW-GB.
Not even close .....
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nyg
Definitely not a proud moment for the program. I still think getting hammered at home by ND during Dukiet's time was more embarrassing.
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17 pt favorites at home. Almost gave up 100 to a really bad team. This may be the worst loss in Marq history. Not a good intro to the Wojjo era.
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Buzz's insistence on not playing any of the young players last year is evident.
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17 pt favorites at home. Almost gave up 100 to a really bad team. This may be the worst loss in Marq history. Not a good intro to the Wojjo era.
Thats why I asked. I am old, but I can't recall ever losing at home to a team like this.
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Buzz's insistence on not playing any of the young players last year is evident.
He recruited them....
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Buzz's insistence on not playing any of the young players last year is evident.
This isn't on Buzz.
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Madtown
Not a shining moment, but keep the faith. Just hope we get a lot better before the Badgers come to town.
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Madtown
Not a shining moment, but keep the faith. Just hope we get a lot better before the Badgers come to town.
Do you believe in miracles?
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This loss has absolutely nothing to do with Buzz. We had the horses to be this team by 20.
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Goose - Bucky will beat us by 40 unless Bo calls off the dogs.
Madtown
Not a shining moment, but keep the faith. Just hope we get a lot better before the Badgers come to town.
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This has been said before (probably ad nauseam), and the only thing giving me any reassurance after this game: we will win some we shouldn't win and lose some we shouldn't lose. This falls into the latter category.
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Maybe North Dakota State several years back.
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it was awful...
crowd was stunned- didn't know how to react.
kinda like Wojo and the team.
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Western michigan NIT
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Maybe North Dakota State several years back.
North Dakota State was my thought. 2004 or so?
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North Dakota State was my thought. 2004 or so?
2006. My Freshman Year. Worst #mubb loss I have ever watched live
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Who cares? Is Ners gone yet?
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Western michigan NIT seems like a good call
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Western michigan NIT seems like a good call
Not even close. Omaha is a transition Division II team.
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Fair point
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Losing a game that means something is far worse than losing today. No doubt a bad joke but in big picture this game means nothing. All in how you things in regards to today. I can think of a lot of games that were worse than this one.
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Who cares? Is Ners gone yet?
It actually would be kind of fun to see how he reacted to this one.
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This loss has absolutely nothing to do with Buzz. We had the horses to be this team by 20.
I call BS. Two starters combine for 2 points. JJJ disappeared. Duane W and SC are first year players. This team has very few horses. Buzz left the cupboard pretty empty.
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I call BS. Two starters combine for 2 points. JJJ disappeared. Duane W and SC are first year players. This team has very few horses. Buzz left the cupboard pretty empty.
This.
Even then, the facts are there:
- Of the 2013-14 minutes played, only 39% return this year. Subtract DWil and Juan, that percentage of court time drops to 18%. No way does this current team succeed without game experience. That's what Wojo saw and said in his comments before this game.
- 72% of scoring is gone. And that was from a season when Derrick Wilson would be the top returning scorer. One word: SCARY.
- Top returning rebounder for the 2014-15 season? Derrick. Again, scary. Even average-wise, he out rebounded Juan, Steve and Deonte.
When Derrick Wilson is your top returning anything, that's not a good sign.
My positives from this game and quite honestly for the season: experience and the emergence of Sandy Cohen as the glue guy. He may well be our next JFB or Wes or Zar.
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My positives from this game and quite honestly for the season: experience and the emergence of Sandy Cohen as the glue guy. He may well be our next JFB or Wes or Zar.
I have heard that scouts on the team think Sandy Cohen will be quite similar to Tony Smith when it's all said and done.
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This.
Even then, the facts are there:
- Of the 2013-14 minutes played, only 39% return this year. Subtract DWil and Juan, that percentage of court time drops to 18%. No way does this current team succeed without game experience. That's what Wojo saw and said in his comments before this game.
- 72% of scoring is gone. And that was from a season when Derrick Wilson would be the top returning scorer. One word: SCARY.
- Top returning rebounder for the 2014-15 season? Derrick. Again, scary. Even average-wise, he out rebounded Juan, Steve and Deonte.
When Derrick Wilson is your top returning anything, that's not a good sign.
My positives from this game and quite honestly for the season: experience and the emergence of Sandy Cohen as the glue guy. He may well be our next JFB or Wes or Zar.
Which is why I didn't understand the optimism.
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scoring is not the problem. If Wojo could coach em up defensively we'd have something.
I'm not big into excuses period, but especially against a nebraska-omaha.
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scoring is not the problem. If Wojo could coach em up defensively we'd have something.
I'm not big into excuses period, but especially against a nebraska-omaha.
But getting outrebounded by an Omaha team that didn't even boast players TALLER than us is a huge concern.
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Goose - Bucky will beat us by 40 unless Bo calls off the dogs.
So, 40-0 as the final score?
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Losing a game that means something is far worse than losing today. No doubt a bad joke but in big picture this game means nothing. All in how you things in regards to today. I can think of a lot of games that were worse than this one.
Perfectly said, Goose.
Miami of Ohio in 1978 was a bazillion times worse than this. Maybe 2 bazillion times worse than this. Tulsa in 2002 was pretty effen bad, too.
Those games MATTERED.
I laughed every time I read somebody comment that we had a chance to be good this season. We're ridiculously small, we have no depth, our best players are unproven and we have a coach who is learning on the fly. Come on, folks, keep some perspective.
When we're really good by midway through next season, this loss will have been barely a blip on the radar.
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Perfectly said, Goose.
Miami of Ohio in 1978 was a bazillion times worse than this. Maybe 2 bazillion times worse than this. Tulsa in 2002 was pretty effen bad, too.
Those games MATTERED.
I laughed every time I read somebody comment that we had a chance to be good this season. We're ridiculously small, we have no depth, our best players are unproven and we have a coach who is learning on the fly. Come on, folks, keep some perspective.
When we're really good by midway through next season, this loss will have been barely a blip on the radar.
Is Wojo really learning on the fly? He had a lot of coaching duties when he left Duke. along with him being an assistant for 15 years. I hope you're right, because this team isn't playing any fundamental defense. No effort. No hustle. That's all they had to do today to beat this team that has half the talent of Marquette.
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Got to go back a ways. North Dakota State came to mind; then again, they were a decent team that had also won in the Kohl Center the previous year and since it was during the Classic had won on our floor the previous night. Don't really care about WMU since half the teams don't care or try during the NIT anyway.
It's going to take some time. Just disheartening to not even be at square one yet.
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Maine
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Maine
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v606/human_carbine/Remember-the-Maine.jpg)
Just about right.
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I know some folks are getting on Wojo's case. We were 8-18 in Al's first season.
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Perfectly said, Goose.
Miami of Ohio in 1978 was a bazillion times worse than this. Maybe 2 bazillion times worse than this. Tulsa in 2002 was pretty effen bad, too.
Those games MATTERED.
I laughed every time I read somebody comment that we had a chance to be good this season. We're ridiculously small, we have no depth, our best players are unproven and we have a coach who is learning on the fly. Come on, folks, keep some perspective.
When we're really good by midway through next season, this loss will have been barely a blip on the radar.
I agree Miami of Ohio in 78 was worse. I was at that game and I still believe it was the beginning of our decline that eventually hit bottom under Dukiet.
I think in this case we are bouncing along the bottom, will hit a few more tough stretches, and then begin another leg up.
This is going to be a learning experience for everyone. The interesting thing about this year, is that the coaches really can't keep a player in the doghouse long with the small size of the team. That is going to be a very interesting coaching challenge.
This game may end up being a bonus. In that it shows the kids it doesn't matter if you can score , you still have to play defense. I think they are a bright enough group to embrace that.
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Losing a game that means something is far worse than losing today. No doubt a bad joke but in big picture this game means nothing. All in how you things in regards to today. I can think of a lot of games that were worse than this one.
Agree from a fan perspective this is a meaningless game. From a coaching, teaching and a character building perspective this game was a complete disaster IMHO. I guess we could blame the coach but I think not. This team needs to accept responsibility for their failure.
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Perfectly said, Goose.
Miami of Ohio in 1978 was a bazillion times worse than this. Maybe 2 bazillion times worse than this. Tulsa in 2002 was pretty effen bad, too.
Those games MATTERED.
I laughed every time I read somebody comment that we had a chance to be good this season. We're ridiculously small, we have no depth, our best players are unproven and we have a coach who is learning on the fly. Come on, folks, keep some perspective.
When we're really good by midway through next season, this loss will have been barely a blip on the radar.
They may hurt more, but those are losses against good teams.
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Worse loss since Green Bay, just because of the meltdown factor. UWGB had people standing on the ledge for a team that ended up winning the Big East and going to the Elite 8. I don't think anyone was booking their flights for Cleveland in March just yet.
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Nebraska-Omaha lost to "Seattle" (1-2, only win vs Neb-omaha) by 24 this season... This one stings
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Losing a game that means something is far worse than losing today. No doubt a bad joke but in big picture this game means nothing. All in how you things in regards to today. I can think of a lot of games that were worse than this one.
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A mediocre/rough season is a mediocre/rough season whether or not you have an awful loss like this. A loss that derails a season with the potential to be special is something completely different.
There's a reason people still talk about Miami Ohio and not North Dakota, Maine, Winthrop, etc.
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Perfectly said, Goose.
Miami of Ohio in 1978 was a bazillion times worse than this. Maybe 2 bazillion times worse than this. Tulsa in 2002 was pretty effen bad, too.
Those games MATTERED.
I laughed every time I read somebody comment that we had a chance to be good this season. We're ridiculously small, we have no depth, our best players are unproven and we have a coach who is learning on the fly. Come on, folks, keep some perspective.
When we're really good by midway through next season, this loss will have been barely a blip on the radar.
That assumes that our best players aren't Derrick, Juan Anderson and Steve Taylor. The alternative is that our best players are upperclassmen that came into the season with a combined 8.2 points per game career scoring average.
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How about this ...
It is not a bad loss as one RPI+200 team beat another RPI+200 team? Big deal, happens all the time.
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Very far from worst loss.
I even think the GB loss was worse because we expected something from that team.
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That assumes that our best players aren't Derrick, Juan Anderson and Steve Taylor. The alternative is that our best players are upperclassmen that came into the season with a combined 8.2 points per game career scoring average.
Even if our best players are Derrick, Juan and Steve, I'm pretty sure they came into this season unproven, too.
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OMAHA OMAHA!
-Peyton Manning
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They may hurt more, but those are losses against good teams.
Much depends on one's definition of "worst."
I go with the personal vibe: Which losses made me feel worse?
Last season's losses to UWGB and Butler, among others, bothered me far more because at the point of those games, I still had fairly high expectations. Various losses to Notre Dame and Wisconsin were far worse to me. That loss to DePaul a few years ago -- awful.
Every NCAA tournament loss is far, far, FAR worse in my eyes than what happened Saturday: a regular-season loss by a Marquette team I never thought had a prayer of making the tourney.
Frankly, it barely even registers on my worst-loss-o-meter.
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Thats why I asked. I am old, but I can't recall ever losing at home to a team like this.
On November 19, 2005, Marquette lost to Winthrop at home, and finished 4th in the Big East.
On December 6, 2006, Marquette lost to North Dakota State at home, and went to the Tournament.
On November 29, 2008, Marquette got run out of the gym by Dayton, and if Lazar Hayward trims his toenails, they go to the Sweet 16, and maybe further.
On November 21, 2011, Marquette beat Norfolk State on a neutral floor by two, and went to the Sweet 16.
On December 19, 2012, Marquette lost to UW-Green Bay, and three months later, were Big East Champions and en route to the Elite 8.
It's early in the season and it's college basketball. I'm not saying we're going to run to greatness from here on out, but these things do happen from time to time with more regularity than you'd think.
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On November 19, 2005, Marquette lost to Winthrop at home, and finished 4th in the Big East.
On December 6, 2006, Marquette lost to North Dakota State at home, and went to the Tournament.
On November 29, 2008, Marquette got run out of the gym by Dayton, and if Lazar Hayward trims his toenails, they go to the Sweet 16, and maybe further.
On November 21, 2011, Marquette beat Norfolk State on a neutral floor by two, and went to the Sweet 16.
On December 19, 2012, Marquette lost to UW-Green Bay, and three months later, were Big East Champions and en route to the Elite 8.
It's early in the season and it's college basketball. I'm not saying we're going to run to greatness from here on out, but these things do happen from time to time with more regularity than you'd think.
This is some good perspective. Didn't MU play Norfolk twice in 2011 within a week or so? The first time was at home and didn't MU double them up?
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This is some good perspective. Didn't MU play Norfolk twice in 2011 within a week or so? The first time was at home and didn't MU double them up?
Marquette beat Norfolk St. twice that year - the 2nd time only by 2 pts on a neutral court. Norfolk State made it to the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney that year led by their NBA draft pick Kyle O'Quinn
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South Alabama in the home opener.