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Arizona State Adding D-I Men's Ice Hockey Thanks To $32M In Private Donations
Published November 19, 2014
ASU hockey will become the ninth D-I team from a Power 5 conference
Arizona State yesterday announced that it will "elevate its national champion club men's hockey team to NCAA Division I status over the next three seasons," according to Craig Morgan of FOXSPORTSARIZONA.com. The move was "made possible by private donations" of $32M by a group of hockey supporters, including Don Mullett, the father of former ASU hockey player Chris Mullett. The move comes at a time when many athletic programs are "cutting expenses and teams" amid cost concerns. ASU VP/Athletics Ray Anderson said, "This is in line with (ASU) President (Michael) Crow's vision. Let's step out there. Let's do some things that others maybe aren't comfortable doing so long as you can make the business case for it and a financial case for it. We're going to be entrepreneurial." Morgan noted the team "plans to transition to full Division I membership" in '17 and will join either the National Collegiate Hockey Conference or the Western Collegiate Hockey Association. The creation of the program "will necessitate the addition of a women's sport to remain in compliance with Title IX," at a cost of $1-1.5M. The men's ice hockey program will cost about $2.5M annually and "will include 18 new scholarships." The donations "will fund the program for the first 10 years." After that, the "burden would fall" on the athletic department. ASU has "not decided where the hockey team will play yet, but the options include U.S. Airways Center (the Suns have expressed interest), a renovated Oceanside Arena or a renovated Wells Fargo Arena." ASU hopes that other Pac-12 schools "will follow suit to reduce travel costs." Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott "likes the idea of expanding hockey throughout the conference, both as a possible revenue sport and as a sport that would fit well" on the Pac-12 Networks (FOXSPORTSARIZONA.com, 11/18).
FEW AND FAR BETWEEN: In Phoenix, Jeff Metcalfe writes ASU's move is "almost unprecedented in an era when men's sports are in peril due to Title IX requirements." ASU since '93 has "dropped varsity men's teams in gymnastics, archery, badminton, tennis, wrestling and swimming, although boosters raised enough funds for wrestling and swimming to be reinstated" (ARIZONA REPUBLIC, 11/19). In Minneapolis, Jason Gonzalez notes ASU "will become the ninth D-I hockey team from a Power 5 conference and the 60th D-I member." Penn State in '12 was "the most recent institution to add hockey" (Minneapolis STAR TRIBUNE, 11/19).
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Hmmmmmmm. Seems strange, but it's their money, so they can do what they want. However, too bad some of that cash couldn't be directed toward beefing up their academics. ASU is a joke.
Anyway, wonder if ASU hockey will outdraw the Phoenix Coyotes. Actually, I think UWM basketball outdraws the Coyotes.
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Hmmmmmmm. Seems strange, but it's their money, so they can do what they want. However, too bad some of that cash couldn't be directed toward beefing up their academics. ASU is a joke.
Anyway, wonder if ASU hockey will outdraw the Phoenix Coyotes. Actually, I think UWM basketball outdraws the Coyotes.
It's a large state school, has some very good individual programs but certainly overall quality isn't terrific. I'll be at UA on Sunday for a conference and ASU on Monday...lots of things to admire on campus. ;) Going to a Coyotes game next week as well, couldn't believe how cheap tickets are. You can't get Kings or Ducks tickets usually for less than $50 a piece in the absolute nosebleeds....for the Coyotes found them at $17.
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That's awesome, good for them. I visited ASU five times throughout college and always has a blast. Nothing like getting out of Milwaukee in October and heading to Tempe for fall break.
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It's a large state school, has some very good individual programs but certainly overall quality isn't terrific. I'll be at UA on Sunday for a conference and ASU on Monday...lots of things to admire on campus. ;) Going to a Coyotes game next week as well, couldn't believe how cheap tickets are. You can't get Kings or Ducks tickets usually for less than $50 a piece in the absolute nosebleeds....for the Coyotes found them at $17.
I hear ya, ASU is a blast. Lots of beautiful, tanned scenery. I've seen photos of some recent Coyotes games. Embarrassing for the NHL. About 3,000 in the stands...at most. Meanwhile, Quebec City doesn't have a team and Toronto only has one. Nice call, Bettman.
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I hear ya, ASU is a blast. Lots of beautiful, tanned scenery. I've seen photos of some recent Coyotes games. Embarrassing for the NHL. About 3,000 in the stands...at most. Meanwhile, Quebec City doesn't have a team and Toronto only has one. Nice call, Bettman.
New teams in Quebec City and Toronto don't create new hockey fans, though.
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New teams in Quebec City and Toronto don't create new hockey fans, though.
I've always said Salt Lake City would be a great hockey town. People in Utah can get behind a sports team.
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New teams in Quebec City and Toronto don't create new hockey fans, though.
The Phoenix Coyotes were such a great idea.
"New teams in Quebec City and Toronto don't create new hockey fans, though." - Although I think the same could be said about an NHL team in Phoenix.
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New teams in Quebec City and Toronto don't create new hockey fans, though.
Nor do they help when negotiating American TV rights.
There's been a surprising amount of NHL talent to come out of California and the Southwest in recent years.
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There's nothing I don't like about this move. As Pakuni said, there's a lot of talent in California and even so, ASU can recruit anywhere.
I will say this... it's quite the feeling to walk outside into 90 degree heat after being on the ice for a couple hours.
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I will say this... it's quite the feeling to walk outside into 90 degree heat after being on the ice for a couple hours.
It is a great feeling walking out part of the year here after playing a game.
I find it mildly amusing that the main donor's last name is "Mullett".
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Nor do they help when negotiating American TV rights.
There's been a surprising amount of NHL talent to come out of California and the Southwest in recent years.
Exactly. ASU could field a roster of kids from CA and TX and compete with almost any of the schools out East.
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I find it mildly amusing that the main donor's last name is "Mullett".
For hockey donations, that probably qualifies as "Anonymous".
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Exactly. ASU could field a roster of kids from CA and TX and compete with almost any of the schools out East.
Seriously?
I follow college hockey, but admittedly, I don't follow exactly where are the talent is coming from.
Are there really enough high quality players from from California?
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Exactly. ASU could field a roster of kids from CA and TX and compete with almost any of the schools out East.
Yeah? Who?
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Exactly. ASU could field a roster of kids from CA and TX and compete with almost any of the schools out East.
I'm not sure I'd go that far.
Most of the talent is still coming out of Minnesota, Michigan, some Wisconsin and Illinois and the northeast.
But whereas the southwest/west coast used to produce no players (unless they were transplanted kids of NHL players), some homegrown kids are making into the NHL.
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Has anyone figured out why Alabama-Huntsville has a D1 hockey team yet?
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Has anyone figured out why Alabama-Huntsville has a D1 hockey team yet?
Not at all. They played Marquette in club hockey in the '80's.
Nebraska-Omaha is kicking some arse this year. Dean Blais, former coach of North Dakota, is their coach.
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I'm not sure I'd go that far.
Most of the talent is still coming out of Minnesota, Michigan, some Wisconsin and Illinois and the northeast.
But whereas the southwest/west coast used to produce no players (unless they were transplanted kids of NHL players), some homegrown kids are making into the NHL.
MN, WI, MI, NY, and New England dominate USA hockey.
If I recall correctly, no states/areas come even close, (I don't think ILL produces much talent, does it?)
It's not a scientific sample, but look at the roster of USA hockey:
http://olympics.usahockey.com/page/show/1094430-all-time-roster
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MN, WI, MI, NY, and New England dominate USA hockey.
If I recall correctly, no states/areas come even close, (I don't think ILL produces much talent, does it?)
It's not a scientific sample, but look at the roster of USA hockey:
http://olympics.usahockey.com/page/show/1094430-all-time-roster
Historically speaking, Illinois hasn't produced a ton of hockey talent, but that's changing.
Three of 27 players on the current USA Hockey U-20 roster are from Illinois (same as Wisconsin and New York).
Two kids on the U-18 roster are from Illinois (none from Wisconsin, three from NY).
Two on the U-17 team are from Illinois (again, none from Wisconsin, three from NY).
Minnesota and Michigan kids still tend to dominate, but less so than they have in the past.
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Historically speaking, Illinois hasn't produced a ton of hockey talent, but that's changing.
Three of 27 players on the current USA Hockey U-20 roster are from Illinois (same as Wisconsin and New York).
Two kids on the U-18 roster are from Illinois (none from Wisconsin, three from NY).
Two on the U-17 team are from Illinois (again, none from Wisconsin, three from NY).
Minnesota and Michigan kids still tend to dominate, but less so than they have in the past.
Cool. I did not know that.
Thanks.
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Illinois, Missouri and California are producing solid hockey players.
Minnesota (4) and Minnesota-Duluth (8) are in the top 8 in the rankings this past week. 42 of the 53 players on both teams are homegrown in-state. Minnesota was #1 until Duluth swept them the last 2 games.
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In terms of nhl players there's some from Cali but not loads here's a graph showing trends
http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_USPlayers.php
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Historically speaking, Illinois hasn't produced a ton of hockey talent, but that's changing.
Three of 27 players on the current USA Hockey U-20 roster are from Illinois (same as Wisconsin and New York).
Two kids on the U-18 roster are from Illinois (none from Wisconsin, three from NY).
Two on the U-17 team are from Illinois (again, none from Wisconsin, three from NY).
Minnesota and Michigan kids still tend to dominate, but less so than they have in the past.
Yeah and Wisconsin doesn't produce very much historically.
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In terms of nhl players there's some from Cali but not loads here's a graph showing trends
http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_USPlayers.php
Love the graph and able to look penalty minutes, assists etc. Also in the last 25 years or so the NHL has had an influx of the Commies playing in the league, the surge in talent coming in from the Scandinavian countries/goalies and the surge in USA talent from all different parts of the country have all played parts in the dilution of an all Canadian dominated league.
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In terms of nhl players there's some from Cali but not loads here's a graph showing trends
http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_USPlayers.php
That graph is about players born in a particular area. A number of the state's better players out here weren't born here, but moved here when the players were young.
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That graph is about players born in a particular area. A number of the state's better players out here weren't born here, but moved here when the players were young.
So what you are saying is there is no home grown talent? Just imported? Just goofing with you.
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Don't forget the hosers.... Recruiting a Canuck to ASU would be as difficult as trying to recruit a fly to a smelly turd.
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What do you call Tom Crean on ASU's campus?
Camouflaged.
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Surprisingly, this is UConn's first year in D1 hockey. They have been playing above expectations and their games at the XL Center in Hartford have been selling out.
My local NCAA hockey powerhouses Yale & Quinnipiac are at least 50% Canadians and Connecticut has always produced good talent. Only Minnesota had more Olympians than Connecticut on the hockey team in Sochi.
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I'm not sure I'd go that far.
Most of the talent is still coming out of Minnesota, Michigan, some Wisconsin and Illinois and the northeast.
But whereas the southwest/west coast used to produce no players (unless they were transplanted kids of NHL players), some homegrown kids are making into the NHL.
I may have overstated it a bit, but I based it on a few things. The emergence of players from the Dallas and LA areas in the NHL and the growth of hockey in those areas over the last 10-15 years. Looking at my alma mater's top 10 hockey program featuring 5 players this year, from those 2 states. And the fact that, until ASU, there have been no college hockey programs in Texas or west of the Rockies for a LONG time, not counting Alaska. So I would think that would make ASU even more of a potential draw.
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Surprisingly, this is UConn's first year in D1 hockey. They have been playing above expectations and their games at the XL Center in Hartford have been selling out.
#icebus
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I wouldnt be surprised to see hockey in general to become a big time college sport in the next 10 years. The problem is its so expensive. Would be nice to see MU field a team, especially with close proximity to the Petite for practices.
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I wouldnt be surprised to see hockey in general to become a big time college sport in the next 10 years. The problem is its so expensive. Would be nice to see MU field a team, especially with close proximity to the Petite for practices.
Granted, hockey is probably the most expensive of collegiate sports (on a per-participant basis), but keep in mind that hockey is a REVENUE SPORT. Laugh if you may, but I'd be willing to bet hockey is profitable at a greater percentage of participating D-I schools than football is at FBS schools.
Heck... once you have your own ice rink (which is, most times, donated by the alumni), you've cut your expense budget by at least a quarter (maybe a third), making it even more profitable... aaannnnddddd games are almost always Friday and Saturday nights, which is very attractive for the student life folks.
However, varsity hockey probably wouldn't work at MU. Schools like ASU and UCONN can half-fill an arena with just their students (which are an important key for gaining a foothold with a new sport), and that's if only 15-20% of the student body attends. MU couldn't fill half the seats in the BC even if most of the U/G student population attended games.
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That said, I would be one of the first in line for season tickets to MU Hockey.
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The whole hockey thing is a mystery to me.
I get that big-time D1 programs and NHL teams have rabid fans and can make big $$. Yet, even when you go to a place where college and/or pro teams are very successful, the fan base still seems very small overall. I can say this first hand, as I live in Minnesota...where we have a consistent top 5 college team and one of the participants from last year's Stanley Cup. And yet, when I've asked around about which teams (and sports) people follow the most around here...they will usually start with the Vikings...then the Twins...then the T-Wolves...and often never even mention the Wild (or Gophers). Again, those who follow hockey are VERY into it - a Wild fan will often mention them and no other team - but yet they are still relatively sparse even up here in Hockey, USA.
Kind of a niche sport, but one with very devoted fans.
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Surprisingly, I wonder why MU has never decided to venture off on this route. Does anyone have any insight? The Bradley Center was built for Hockey, and I think a college team would almost be better than an NHL squad for the city of Milwaukee.
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ACHA is a very competitive leaugue...ASU, Penn State, Alabama Huntsville among the teams who have taken a step up. Went to the championship game in Ames at ISU in front of a sell out crowd of 18,000. Arizona at one time had the Ducks money coming in from Eisner whose son played there. Sold out in Tempe too at the time. Big because no Title IV restrictions.
http://achahockey.org/view/achahockey
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Surprisingly, I wonder why MU has never decided to venture off on this route. Does anyone have any insight? The Bradley Center was built for Hockey, and I think a college team would almost be better than an NHL squad for the city of Milwaukee.
1. Adding men's hockey means you have to add a corresponding women's sport.
2. Bradley Center isn't going to give up Friday and Saturday nights to Marquette, which is when college hockey is traditionally played.