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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Chicos' Buzz Scandal Countdown on October 28, 2014, 04:39:59 PM
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Not sure if anyone is following the nosedive at Michigan, but an interesting development.
http://mgoblog.com/content/david-brandon-i-suggest-you-find-new-team
This is absolutely incredible behavior; this guy (and Hoke) shouldn't make it through the end of the season
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What happens when the wrong hires are made. CEO of a company that was more successful after he left. Football coach who was a .500 coach at mid-majors, but because he was an assistant under a previous coach, he was a 'Michigan Man.' Such arrogance. Such stupidity. Reaping what they have sown.
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And possibly breaking FOIA laws in the process.
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Not sure if anyone is following the nosedive at Michigan, but an interesting development.
http://mgoblog.com/content/david-brandon-i-suggest-you-find-new-team
This is absolutely incredible behavior; this guy (and Hoke) shouldn't make it through the end of the season
Hoke is only in his fourth year at Michigan. I think they need to give him at least one more year to know whether he's a good fit.
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Hoke is only in his fourth year at Michigan. I think they need to give him at least one more year to know whether he's a good fit.
2-8-1
4-7
1-10
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They decided to hang on to him (Bill McCartney), and he won a national title 4 years later. Sometimes you have to wait, but usually it is the inverse. Someone comes out a house on fire with someone else's guys and by year 5 they are exposed.
11-14
20-8
19-9
14-11
9-17
He would go on to win three NCAA basketball titles after that 5 year start....still strolling the sidelines for Duke.
Do I think Hoke should be gone....yes. I never understood how a career .500 guy in the MAC got hired in the first place. His stint at SDSU was with someone else's players. However, are there examples of coaches that struggled in years 4 and 5 and ended up being fantastic in the end? Yes
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Hoke got the job for a couple reasons. He was a "Michigan Man" who didn't run a goofy offense and was moderately successful as a head coach.
If they would have stuck with RichRod, I have no doubt that he would have been just as good in 2011 and Michigan would have been in a much better position right now. I mean, if they don't get a Harbaugh, they might really be screwed with how they treated RR.
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Hoke is only in his fourth year at Michigan. I think they need to give him at least one more year to know whether he's a good fit.
Ann Arbor would implode if Hoke isn't fired after this season. And RichRod was never a good fit for Michigan. The only success he (and Hoke) had was due to Denard Robinson.
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2-8-1
4-7
1-10
7-5
6-6
They decided to hang on to him (Bill McCartney), and he won a national title 4 years later. Sometimes you have to wait, but usually it is the inverse. Someone comes out a house on fire with someone else's guys and by year 5 they are exposed.
11-14
20-8
19-9
14-11
9-17
He would go on to win three NCAA basketball titles after that 5 year start....still strolling the sidelines for Duke.
Do I think Hoke should be gone....yes. I never understood how a career .500 guy in the MAC got hired in the first place. His stint at SDSU was with someone else's players. However, are there examples of coaches that struggled in years 4 and 5 and ended up being fantastic in the end? Yes
So it sounds like you're saying the "5 year rule" (which you either made up or borrowed from someone else) is just another arbitrary and oft times wrong way of looking at things. I agree. Sometimes you know in one year. Sometimes you don't in five, which renders any "rule" on the subject basically meaningless.
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So it sounds like you're saying the "5 year rule" (which you either made up or borrowed from someone else) is just another arbitrary and oft times wrong way of looking at things. I agree. Sometimes you know in one year. Sometimes you don't in five, which renders any "rule" on the subject basically meaningless.
It's not settled science, if that's what you mean. :D I've clarified for years what it means to me, it's my own determination and the examples I've given over the years is to show how many people fall in love with a coach out of the gate before any classes have matriculated of his. Call it the Bruiser Flint phenomena if you like. It is easier to identify if a coach is in over his head vs telling if a coach is riding the talent of the previous guy's recruits. I prefer to wait 4 or 5 years, because it allows for a full class or two of his recruits to cycle through, that's why I've always used that number and have stated so many times. This should not be news to you with the number of times you respond to me. Remember that search button....
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It's not settled science, if that's what you mean. :D I've clarified for years what it means to me, it's my own determination and the examples I've given over the years is to show how many people fall in love with a coach out of the gate before any classes have matriculated of his. Call it the Bruiser Flint phenomena if you like. It is easier to identify if a coach is in over his head vs telling if a coach is riding the talent of the previous guy's recruits. I prefer to wait 4 or 5 years, because it allows for a full class or two of his recruits to cycle through, that's why I've always used that number and have stated so many times. This should be news to you with the number of times you respond to me. Remember that search button....
So your theory should be called the Coach K phenomena since it would have resulted in the firing the winningest coach in college basketball history after 4 or 5 years?
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So your theory should be called the Coach K phenomena since it would have resulted in the firing the winningest coach in college basketball history after 4 or 5 years?
I hear the jury is still out on that guy
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Ann Arbor would implode if Hoke isn't fired after this season. And RichRod was never a good fit for Michigan. The only success he (and Hoke) had was due to Denard Robinson.
RichRod wasn't a good fit because Lloyd Carr didn't like them. It is pretty common knowledge that Carr is still influencing things behind the seasons. And even if he wanted to come to Michigan, Les Miles will never be coach of UM while Lloyd has any influence. According to friends in positions of knowledge in Ann Arbor.
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So your theory should be called the Coach K phenomena since it would have resulted in the firing the winningest coach in college basketball history after 4 or 5 years?
No, that is an example of a school being patient. He also had that record at Army, not at Duke. Look at McGuire's record the last few years at Belmont Abbey. Not good. Mike Deane had a really good record after the first 4 years.
It's the falling in love with coaches in the first few years, it's also the knee jerk reaction to fire a coach after just a few years. That's why I use that time frame....it's a guide. As I've said here many times, if you fall in love and want to marry the guy after the first kiss, knock your socks off. I don't. I want to date for some time, see how crazy they are when the chips are down. You can do whatever you feel is right for you, I'm going to wait 4 or 5 years.
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Do I think Hoke should be gone....yes. I never understood how a career .500 guy in the MAC got hired in the first place. His stint at SDSU was with someone else's players.
To be fair, Ball State wasn't in good shape when he got there. They hadn't had a winning season since the mid 90s and it was during the MAC's strong period where Miami (OH), BG, Toledo, and Marshall had strong, borderline top 25 programs. He had to rebuild, so its not fair to point at his record being an indication of mediocre performance. Now if there was incomplete evidence at SDSU, thats a fair point. Guys like Dave Doeren at NC State who took over a really strong NIU program for 2 years, or Darrell Hazell at Purdue who only had 2 years at Kent St, one of which was awful, are far more suspect, flash in the pan hires.
I think Michigan was a bit shell shocked cause nobody wanted the job as bad as they thought when they hired Hoke.
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RichRod wasn't a good fit because Lloyd Carr didn't like them. It is pretty common knowledge that Carr is still influencing things behind the seasons. And even if he wanted to come to Michigan, Les Miles will never be coach of UM while Lloyd has any influence. According to friends in positions of knowledge in Ann Arbor.
And really to say that RichRod, who was previously successful at West Virginia, and currently successful at Arizona, wasn't a "good fit" at Michigan means that Michigan is the one with the problem.
There is absolutely no reason why he couldn't have been a success there.
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And really to say that RichRod, who was previously successful at West Virginia, and currently successful at Arizona, wasn't a "good fit" at Michigan means that Michigan is the one with the problem.
There is absolutely no reason why he couldn't have been a success there.
Exactly. BCS contender at West Virginia. Top 10 in just a few years at Arizona. The problem isn't with RichRod.
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I was wondering if Michigan could make a run at one of the Gruden's. Jon has a nice gig with ESPN, but how about Jay? The Redskins are a dumpster fire, notwithstanding their win over the Cowboys. And, I believe they both cut their teeth in the college ranks. They're going to need a big name hire. I'm not saying Jay Gruden's a huge name, but stealing an NFL coach might hold off the irate fan base.
They can have Marc Trestman if they want.
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I was wondering if Michigan could make a run at one of the Gruden's. Jon has a nice gig with ESPN, but how about Jay? The Redskins are a dumpster fire, notwithstanding their win over the Cowboys. And, I believe they both cut their teeth in the college ranks. They're going to need a big name hire. I'm not saying Jay Gruden's a huge name, but stealing an NFL coach might hold off the irate fan base.
They can have Marc Trestman if they want.
Maybe Jon Gruden, MAYBE because of his name. But Jay Gruden has never had any experience at the collegiate level. That hiring would possibly cause Ann Arbor to implode.
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Ann Arbor is already imploding. It is either Harbaugh or nothing. Which may be tough if they fire Brandon, too. As we know, it is difficult to hire a big name head coach with an interim AD in place.
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RichRod wasn't a good fit because Lloyd Carr didn't like them. It is pretty common knowledge that Carr is still influencing things behind the seasons. And even if he wanted to come to Michigan, Les Miles will never be coach of UM while Lloyd has any influence. According to friends in positions of knowledge in Ann Arbor.
RichRod was a culture change when change wasn't needed. And if Bo Schembechler was still alive when Carr "retired" Jim Harbaugh would've been the one hired, not RichRod.
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http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/10/michigan_alumni_also_upset_wit.html#incart_more_sports
Apparently, the alumni/season ticket holders are unhappy with more than just the bad product. Sometimes, hiring someone from the corporate world (Domino's is better off without him) who has no experience in collegiate athletics backfires.
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To be fair, Ball State wasn't in good shape when he got there. They hadn't had a winning season since the mid 90s and it was during the MAC's strong period where Miami (OH), BG, Toledo, and Marshall had strong, borderline top 25 programs. He had to rebuild, so its not fair to point at his record being an indication of mediocre performance. Now if there was incomplete evidence at SDSU, thats a fair point. Guys like Dave Doeren at NC State who took over a really strong NIU program for 2 years, or Darrell Hazell at Purdue who only had 2 years at Kent St, one of which was awful, are far more suspect, flash in the pan hires.
I think Michigan was a bit shell shocked cause nobody wanted the job as bad as they thought when they hired Hoke.
Fair enough.
I'm not so sure Bo would have hired Harbaugh after one year at Stanford and a 4-8 record. He might have, but Rich Rod was literally one play away from playing for the national title. He's doing pretty well at Arizona right now, though it's still early. Maybe it is my Ohio bias in living there for a number of years, but it sure seems like Michigan fans have been all over the place. They couldn't wait to get rid of Carr at the end, they buried Rich Rod pretty quickly, despite each year making some strides forward...maybe not fast enough for them, they flirted with Les Miles who said no. So on and so forth. If they get Harbaugh, that would be a big name for them, same if they get Miles. With as crazy hard as the SEC is nowadays, maybe he (Miles) thinks going to the Big Ten offers salvation, though he would be better off going to the other division where Wisconsin plays, which is an absolute joke.
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Ann Arbor is already imploding. It is either Harbaugh or nothing. Which may be tough if they fire Brandon, too. As we know, it is difficult to hire a big name head coach with an interim AD in place.
getting rid of Brandon will do nothing but help. He insists on sitting in on film sessions with coach and team. Not sure how many top-flight coaches would be interested in that type of hands-on approach.
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RichRod was a culture change when change wasn't needed. And if Bo Schembechler was still alive when Carr "retired" Jim Harbaugh would've been the one hired, not RichRod.
What culture change?
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This just in: Dave Brandon is resigning
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Nicole Auerbach @NicoleAuerbach · 31m
If Dave Brandon is done, the timing of this may allow for a new AD to be in place to make a coaching hire. Think Texas last year.
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If Harbaugh is hired will he demand that Michigan fire that guy who tried to ruin his brother-in law's program?
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If Harbaugh is hired will he demand that Michigan fire that guy who tried to ruin his brother-in law's program?
You mean Jeff Meyer, who was cited by the NCAA for breaking rules....no wonder you like him.
The same Jeff Meyer that admitted to breaking NCAA rules?
"I regret that I may have made mistakes that are causing my and IU's conduct to be examined by the NCAA. … I will not comment on this process again before it is completed," Meyer said.
How this guy ever got hired by Michigan should be the bigger question. Sounds like a bosom buddy to Scott Monarch.
FROM ESPN
Sampson, assistant coach Jeff Meyer and former assistant Rob Senderoff failed to comply with sanctions imposed on Sampson for impermissible recruiting calls he made while he was the head coach at Oklahoma. Sampson was under such sanctions when he was hired to coach the Hoosiers in March 2006.
Sampson and Senderoff, who resigned his position Oct. 30, are alleged to have jointly participated in telephone calls at a time when Sampson was prohibited from being present or taking part when staff members made recruiting calls. Senderoff and Meyer are alleged to have made about 100 calls that exceeded the sanction limits.
• Senderoff and Meyer placed "at least 25 telephone calls" to nine potential recruits that exceeded NCAA limits even if no sanctions had been in place.
• Sampson "acted contrary to the NCAA principles of ethical conduct when he knowingly violated recruiting restrictions imposed by the NCAA Committee on Infractions."
• Sampson and Meyer engaged in an impermissible recruiting contact during a two-day sports camp held at Assembly Hall last June 30 and July 1, and that Meyer provided the potential recruit with an impermissible benefit -- at least one T-shirt and drawstring backpack.
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Nicole Auerbach @NicoleAuerbach · 31m
If Dave Brandon is done, the timing of this may allow for a new AD to be in place to make a coaching hire. Think Texas last year.
Sports radio in Detroit was just saying they should take their time finding the next AD. They only have that luxury if they're willing to sit with Hoke another season. No way can they take their time finding a new AD and still hope to have someone other than Hoke as their coach for next season.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11796360/dave-brandon-michigan-wolverines-ad-leaving-post
Michigan athletic director Dave Brandon is resigning and will not return next school year, a source told ESPN's Brett McMurphy.
The university will hold a news conference Friday at 1:30 p.m. ET.
Brandon has been at the center of controversy all season, including the football program's mishandling of quarterback Shane Morris' head injury and issues with students' ticket prices.
Earlier this week, mgoblog.com posted caustic and condescending emails that fans wrote to Brandon with their concerns about the athletic department. The website reviewed email exchanges between Brandon and several different fans in which he allegedly told one to "quit drinking and go to bed" and another to "find a new team to support."
Reached for comment, a Michigan spokesman told ESPN.com the school had "nothing else to add."
Students were upset when Brandon, a former Michigan football player who is in his fifth year as AD, reworked the seating arrangements for football games without consulting them and raised season ticket prices for students to the highest in the Big Ten -- an issue he recently attempted to fix by dramatically dropping the price and promising to be more connected to the student body.
Despite the change, the Michigan Daily reported that students still plan to distribute 2,000 "#FireDaveBrandon" T-shirts for Saturday's homecoming game against Indiana.
The Michigan football program has floundered under coach Brady Hoke this season, his third in Ann Arbor. The Wolverines are 3-5 overall (1-3 Big Ten) after last weekend's 35-11 loss to Michigan State, their sixth loss in seven seasons versus their rival. Hoke, who was Michigan's defensive line coach in the late 1990s, is 29-17 as coach.
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You mean Jeff Meyer, who was cited by the NCAA for breaking rules....no wonder you like him.
The same Jeff Meyer that admitted to breaking NCAA rules?
"I regret that I may have made mistakes that are causing my and IU's conduct to be examined by the NCAA. … I will not comment on this process again before it is completed," Meyer said.
How this guy ever got hired by Michigan should be the bigger question. Sounds like a bosom buddy to Scott Monarch.
FROM ESPN
Sampson, assistant coach Jeff Meyer and former assistant Rob Senderoff failed to comply with sanctions imposed on Sampson for impermissible recruiting calls he made while he was the head coach at Oklahoma. Sampson was under such sanctions when he was hired to coach the Hoosiers in March 2006.
Sampson and Senderoff, who resigned his position Oct. 30, are alleged to have jointly participated in telephone calls at a time when Sampson was prohibited from being present or taking part when staff members made recruiting calls. Senderoff and Meyer are alleged to have made about 100 calls that exceeded the sanction limits.
• Senderoff and Meyer placed "at least 25 telephone calls" to nine potential recruits that exceeded NCAA limits even if no sanctions had been in place.
• Sampson "acted contrary to the NCAA principles of ethical conduct when he knowingly violated recruiting restrictions imposed by the NCAA Committee on Infractions."
• Sampson and Meyer engaged in an impermissible recruiting contact during a two-day sports camp held at Assembly Hall last June 30 and July 1, and that Meyer provided the potential recruit with an impermissible benefit -- at least one T-shirt and drawstring backpack.
When the head coach goes down so do the assistants. If the NCAA had come down on Crean for some of his cheating (blatant contact with Gary Harris during a non contact period, Hanner Perea and the rest of the Indiana Elite garbage, etc., etc., etc.) I'm sure the assistants wouldn't have been spared. Luckily for TC and the boys the NCAA looked the other way - they knew hitting a blue blood twice in 5 years would be bad for business.
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Doesn't Saban have a contract that says he has to get at least $1 more than the second highest paid head coach?
If Michigan offers Harbaugh the same deal, does that set off an infinite loop ending with both of them getting all the money in the world?
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Sports radio in Detroit was just saying they should take their time finding the next AD. They only have that luxury if they're willing to sit with Hoke another season. No way can they take their time finding a new AD and still hope to have someone other than Hoke as their coach for next season.
seems to me they have a month and a half. It's a very attractive job (not many more attractive)... So they should have a nice pool of candidates.
I bet interim AD fires Hoke just before permanent AD's introduction and ensuing coaching search.
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When the head coach goes down so do the assistants. If the NCAA had come down on Crean for some of his cheating (blatant contact with Gary Harris during a non contact period, Hanner Perea and the rest of the Indiana Elite garbage, etc., etc., etc.) I'm sure the assistants wouldn't have been spared. Luckily for TC and the boys the NCAA looked the other way - they knew hitting a blue blood twice in 5 years would be bad for business.
Glad you think it's "garbage", the NCAA didn't.....I'll bet they were paid off. ::) They concluded buying a bumper sticker by a "booster" didn't rise to the level of a problem. At any rate, you told us many times here before they were never hit at all, so now you're saying they wanted to avoid hitting them twice in 5 years...interesting.
Meyer was implicated directly. How does he have a job at Michigan is beyond many people and was quite an eye opener.
Makes you wonder who gave Scott Monarch the orders since you're using that logic...cough cough..
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Glad you think it's "garbage", the NCAA didn't.....I'll bet they were paid off. ::) They concluded buying a bumper sticker by a "booster" didn't rise to the level of a problem. At any rate, you told us many times here before they were never hit at all, so now you're saying they wanted to avoid hitting them twice in 5 years...interesting.
Meyer was implicated directly. How does he have a job at Michigan is beyond many people and was quite an eye opener.
Makes you wonder who gave Scott Monarch the orders since you're using that logic...cough cough..
So, why do you think that when Crean was caught cheating in Harris's high school during the non contact period the NCAA looked past it. Makes you wonder...cough cough...
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Doesn't Saban have a contract that says he has to get at least $1 more than the second highest paid head coach?
If Michigan offers Harbaugh the same deal, does that set off an infinite loop ending with both of them getting all the money in the world?
guessing it's based off the prior years' reported salaries. So... yes, if they work infinite years under that contract. Otherwise it's a one-upping of a dollar each year.
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guessing it's based off the prior years' reported salaries. So... yes, if they work infinite years under that contract. Otherwise it's a one-upping of a dollar each year.
You're correct ... I was thinking it was off the current year's contract in which case they one up each other into infinity in the same year.
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http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2014/10/michigan_alumni_also_upset_wit.html#incart_more_sports
Apparently, the alumni/season ticket holders are unhappy with more than just the bad product. Sometimes, hiring someone from the corporate world (Domino's is better off without him) who has no experience in collegiate athletics backfires.
Just another corporate "expert". But he said the value of a season ticket for students was worth $295 and that's all that mattered.
Except.... the customer said no. - and guess what? The expert is gone.
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Pat Fitzgerald to Ann Arbor?
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/11800945/michigan-targets-northwestern-ad-jim-phillips
Michigan targets AD Jim Phillips
Updated: November 1, 2014, 6:59 PM ET
By Joe Schad | ESPN
Michigan has targeted Northwestern athletic director Jim Phillips as a candidate to succeed Dave Brandon, according to a source.
This is an indication that Michigan will seriously consider candidates without university ties.
Brandon resigned Friday amid a storm of controversy. A string of athletic department mishaps in the past several months dominated headlines around the Michigan campus and served as a regular distraction at sporting events.
Some logical candidates also likely to be considered include Connecticut's Warde Manuel and Boston College's Brad Bates, who do have Michigan ties.
Phillips has served two years as the AD Chair of the Big Ten while also working as a member of the Rose Bowl Management Committee. Northwestern has had more than 200 Academic All-Americans in each of the past four years.
Michigan in the past has considered Northwestern football coach Pat Fitzgerald as a head coach candidate, but Phillips secured him to new contracts.
ESPN.com's Dan Murphy contributed to this report.