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Title: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: anubis266 on September 26, 2014, 07:48:14 PM
For reasons too boring to explain, I'm working on a project that requires me to use depictions of the mascots from certain schools between 1948 - 1952.  Pretty exact, huh? The Marquette mascot has been a huge sticking point for me. My research shows that the first physical mascot at any sporting event was Chief White Buck in 1954.

So am I right to assume that during the era that the Marquette teams were called the Hilltoppers and Golden Avalanche respectively, there was NEVER a physical mascot at any game? No sharply dressed dogs? Pigs? Goats?

I'm almost certain that there wasn't. It's not listed in any yearbook I've gone through or article I've seen.

I just thought I'd ask you guys, the experts.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 26, 2014, 08:06:18 PM
(http://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/nickname/blueteaux.jpg?w=400)
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: anubis266 on September 26, 2014, 08:08:51 PM
Ha! Well played
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: willie warrior on September 26, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
For reasons too boring to explain, I'm working on a project that requires me to use depictions of the mascots from certain schools between 1948 - 1952.  Pretty exact, huh? The Marquette mascot has been a huge sticking point for me. My research shows that the first physical mascot at any sporting event was Chief White Buck in 1954.

So am I right to assume that during the era that the Marquette teams were called the Hilltoppers and Golden Avalanche respectively, there was NEVER a physical mascot at any game? No sharply dressed dogs? Pigs? Goats?

I'm almost certain that there wasn't. It's not listed in any yearbook I've gone through or article I've seen.

I just thought I'd ask you guys, the experts.

"Chief White Buck"? Now that is racist, discriminatory, classless, not PC, and obviously rooted in bigotry. Just like Redskins, Seminoles, Warriors, Blackhawks, Chiefs, Braves, etc.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: willie warrior on September 26, 2014, 08:28:32 PM
(http://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/nickname/blueteaux.jpg?w=400)
Where the hell did you get this picture of Dukiet, Chicos?
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 26, 2014, 08:31:56 PM
There was only one real mascot, aina?
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 26, 2014, 08:35:32 PM
"Chief White Buck"? Now that is racist, discriminatory, classless, not PC, and obviously rooted in bigotry. Just like Redskins, Seminoles, Warriors, Blackhawks, Chiefs, Braves, etc.

Maybe Google will outlaw the ability to search for some of those terms.  Book burnings can't be too far behind.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 26, 2014, 11:44:53 PM
Maybe Google will outlaw the ability to search for some of those terms.  Book burnings can't be too far behind.


So fcc getting a request to ban redskin from network television = book burnings. We're you also one of those people who thought gay marriage would lead to legalizing beastiality and pedophilia?
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: Goose on September 27, 2014, 06:10:39 AM
4ever

And might have been best mascot ever.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: willie warrior on September 27, 2014, 06:45:00 AM


So fcc getting a request to ban redskin from network television = book burnings. We're you also one of those people who thought gay marriage would lead to legalizing beastiality and pedophilia?
I thought that is already afoot. I heard of a lawsuit in one state, probably California, where a guy wanted to marry his horse. The slippery slope has already been slipping. Reminds one of an old Little Richard song. On Specialty Records, of course.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: RushmoreAcademy on September 27, 2014, 08:37:49 AM
A good friend of mine was the mascot around when I was there around the turn of the century.
I never got a free pizza represented by an empty box out of it though.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 27, 2014, 01:09:29 PM
I thought that is already afoot. I heard of a lawsuit in one state, probably California, where a guy wanted to marry his horse. The slippery slope has already been slipping. Reminds one of an old Little Richard song. On Specialty Records, of course.

It was Missouri and the courts wouldn't even let him file his case. Real slippery
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: GGGG on September 27, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
It was Missouri and the courts wouldn't even let him file his case. Real slippery


LOL.  willie must not have heard *that* talking point.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: willie warrior on September 27, 2014, 07:04:05 PM

LOL.  willie must not have heard *that* talking point.
Yeah, but it is coming. If you don't believe that you are not paying attention.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 27, 2014, 07:50:20 PM


So fcc getting a request to ban redskin from network television = book burnings. We're you also one of those people who thought gay marriage would lead to legalizing beastiality and pedophilia?

My post had nothing to do with the FCC and certainly nothing to do with the rest of your post. 
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: 77ncaachamps on September 27, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
In all honesty, you need to refer to old yearbooks in MU's online archives.

You may see some pics of mascots drawn or "live on field/court" in them.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 28, 2014, 12:10:47 AM
My post had nothing to do with the FCC and certainly nothing to do with the rest of your post. 

Uh huh
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: rocket surgeon on September 28, 2014, 07:48:14 PM


So fcc getting a request to ban redskin from network television = book burnings. We're you also one of those people who thought gay marriage would lead to legalizing beastiality and pedophilia?

either stretching it out a little or trolling?  don't take the bait chico!
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2014, 07:49:51 PM
either stretching it out a little or trolling?  don't take the bait chico!

I'm not. 
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2014, 08:05:01 PM
For reasons too boring to explain, I'm working on a project that requires me to use depictions of the mascots from certain schools between 1948 - 1952.  Pretty exact, huh? The Marquette mascot has been a huge sticking point for me. My research shows that the first physical mascot at any sporting event was Chief White Buck in 1954.

So am I right to assume that during the era that the Marquette teams were called the Hilltoppers and Golden Avalanche respectively, there was NEVER a physical mascot at any game? No sharply dressed dogs? Pigs? Goats?

I'm almost certain that there wasn't. It's not listed in any yearbook I've gone through or article I've seen.

I just thought I'd ask you guys, the experts.


You said it was boring an all, but why 1948 to 1952 as your time frame of study?   As to your question, my understanding is Golden Avalanche was the football team nickname for a certain period of years, basically starting in 1937.  Other teams used Hilltoppers. I don't know when Golden Avalanche went out of vogue, was it 1954 when we became the Warriors or was it sooner and the Hilltoppers was just used across the board?

Have you seen this article?
http://epublications.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=hist_4101_5101

Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: Galway Eagle on September 29, 2014, 09:16:39 AM
Yeah, but it is coming. If you don't believe that you are not paying attention.

To Rush Limbaugh or real news?
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: willie warrior on September 29, 2014, 09:26:08 AM
To Rush Limbaugh or real news?
And just what is Real news? CNN or MSNBC?
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: Aughnanure on September 29, 2014, 09:47:04 AM
And just what is Real news? CNN or MSNBC?

Oh wow, willie, wow. You go have fun living in your right-wing talk radio bubble that has no grasp on reality.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: Dawson Rental on September 29, 2014, 10:13:19 AM
You said it was boring an all, but why 1948 to 1952 as your time frame of study?   As to your question, my understanding is Golden Avalanche was the football team nickname for a certain period of years, basically starting in 1937.  Other teams used Hilltoppers. I don't know when Golden Avalanche went out of vogue, was it 1954 when we became the Warriors or was it sooner and the Hilltoppers was just used across the board?

Have you seen this article?
http://epublications.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=hist_4101_5101



It took 19 posts about a lot of other hooey, but finally a definitive answer!  Awesome Chicos.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: mu03eng on September 29, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
Man, November can't get here fast enough for this board.  Even I was surprised how quickly this thread went off the rails given that it was mascot/nickname related. 

Great thing about this board, never know exactly what direction threads will derail because this one went a completely different direction than anticipated.

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Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: Benny B on September 29, 2014, 10:41:21 AM
Man, November can't get here fast enough for this board.  Even I was surprised how quickly this thread went off the rails given that it was mascot/nickname related. 

Great thing about this board, never know exactly what direction threads will derail because this one went a completely different direction than anticipated.

Give Chicos some credit... even though he was the one who initially steered the thread off course, he was the one who righted the ship (no pun intended).

The question is why he took it off course to begin with.

http://www.youtube.com/e/Z8_Y_1w4Lk0
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: anubis266 on September 29, 2014, 12:01:36 PM
Thanks Chicos! I hadn't seen that specific article. It's very thorough, and the fact that they didn't mention an actual mascot before the warrior pretty much solidifies that they never had one. Just nicknames.

My understanding is that Hilltoppers has been the across-the-board name from the start, while yes, Golden Avalanche was just used for the football team. Apparently, their helmets were all gold and when they stormed the field, a newspaper reporter claimed it "looked like a golden avalanche".

As for my project, it basically boiled down to this. My grandfather collected hand-carved wooden statues of mascots that were sold in school bookstores between 1948-1952 and I've always liked their look. As a Big East fan, I was hoping to get a local woodcarver to make me a set of the current conference teams, and I wanted to make all of the statues have that vintage feel using depictions of what they would've looked like in the late 40's etc. I found a catalog from the original company that made these things, but it had no pictures, just listings of their items. They sold a Marquette Golden Avalanche statue, I just can't imagine what it was a carving of.

So that's the reasoning behind this question. Thanks for all the help! It took awhile to get there, but I appreciate the responses.
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: willie warrior on September 29, 2014, 03:15:51 PM
Oh wow, willie, wow. You go have fun living in your right-wing talk radio bubble that has no grasp on reality.
Now that...is a great defense of CNN and MSNBC. And you have no clue of what radio talk shows I might listen too. But I certainly can guess from your comments about "right wing" what wing you believe in.

And to quote the great Berenger/Barnes, "You talk about reality...I am reality"

Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: Coleman on September 29, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
Now that...is a great defense of CNN and MSNBC. And you have no clue of what radio talk shows I might listen too. But I certainly can guess from your comments about "right wing" what wing you believe in.

And to quote the great Berenger/Barnes, "You talk about reality...I am reality"



I'll bite...what news media DO you consume? Radio, TV, otherwise?
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: Aughnanure on September 29, 2014, 04:36:09 PM
I'll bite...what news media DO you consume? Radio, TV, otherwise?

INFOWARS!!! Wake up sheeple!!!
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on September 29, 2014, 09:47:37 PM
Those to whom I listen  speak the truth. Those who speak to your convictions spew lies
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: mu03eng on September 30, 2014, 07:39:22 AM
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Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: mu72warrior on September 30, 2014, 02:20:27 PM
Does Marquette have a Mascot? ::)
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: mu72warrior on September 30, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
Now that I think about it, I'd rather have no mascot than that thing with the big pecker on it's face!!
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2014, 02:31:37 PM
Now that I think about it, I'd rather have no mascot than that thing with the big pecker on it's face!!

So many things that could be said....so little time....
Title: Re: Historical Mascot Question
Post by: The Love House on October 01, 2014, 05:09:49 PM
This yearbook photo from '46 shows that we did actually have a mascot prior to "Chief White Buck" in 1954.  His nickname was "Extremely White Buck".  Not sure I'd want a wood carving of that, though.