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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Groin_pull on September 18, 2014, 04:57:56 PM
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Hearing a rumor that Ellenson will be taking his visit to UK during Big Blue Madness.
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I hope people can keep their stuff together if the young man goes elsewhere.
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This business of putting Ellenson in all the names has me noided out. On the one hand, there's going to be a lot of disappointment if he goes elsewhere. If he doesn't, then the expectations are going to be gigantic. Yes, I want to see this highly rated a kid come to MU, but he's still a kid after al.
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Maybe he's disappointed that the whole Scoop board hasn't put Ellenson in their screen name ;D
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Hearing a rumor that Ellenson will be taking his visit to UK during Big Blue Madness.
That was to be expected.
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Well had to visit sometime.
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Hearing a rumor that Ellenson will be taking his visit to UK during Big Blue Madness.
Got a source? I ain't heard nothing.
Even if it's true, I don't think he'll make it there.
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At the end of the day he is going to the school where he will get maximum playing time and be The Man so to speak. I think on both those counts we fare better than the competition. Also he will be able to play with his brother, which is easier for his parents to juggle going to games. I have followed MSU as long as I have MU and I am believe that he will have much better chemistry with his teammates at MU. I can't speak to UK in that regard, but common sense says getting possession of the ball is not going to be an easy thing there. At end of the day I think we are the front runner still but the competition is obviously very strong.
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Got a source? I ain't heard nothing.
Even if it's true, I don't think he'll make it there.
From a longer ESPN insider article:
PF Henry Ellenson, No. 4
Rice Lake, Wisconsin/Rice Lake
Considering: Michigan State (Sept. 20th), Marquette (Sept. 26th) and Kentucky (Oct. 17th)
Scouting report: Ellenson has a great combination of size and skill. He runs the floor well and in the half court, he can pick and pop to the arc or roll to the rim. He rebounds well in his area and can also post smaller defenders and score over them with ease.
Ellenson says: "I am looking for a coach that I am comfortable with and who can develop my game and prepare me for the next level. I want to be in a system where I can use my versatility as a player like creating matchup problems.”
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MU may still be in the driver's seat. But my primary concern is that countless recruits have attended that event...been blown away...and soon pledged their allegiance to UK. It's hard for a recruit not to be impressed by the glitz. Much of UK's program is larger than life.
Not saying Ellenson is the type to get sucked in by Cal's show...only that it's now a possibility since the visit has been set.
Here's hoping MU makes sure he never gets to Lexington.
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From a longer ESPN insider article:
PF Henry Ellenson, No. 4
Rice Lake, Wisconsin/Rice Lake
Considering: Michigan State (Sept. 20th), Marquette (Sept. 26th) and Kentucky (Oct. 17th)
Scouting report: Ellenson has a great combination of size and skill. He runs the floor well and in the half court, he can pick and pop to the arc or roll to the rim. He rebounds well in his area and can also post smaller defenders and score over them with ease.
Ellenson says: "I am looking for a coach that I am comfortable with and who can develop my game and prepare me for the next level. I want to be in a system where I can use my versatility as a player like creating matchup problems.”
Well damn. No one else picked that one up. Props to Rankin.
I hate having Kentucky on the docket. They can offer things that Marquette can't (and shouldn't). If anyone can swoop in and steal a #donedeal recruit, it's Cal. Or course, they have to decide that Ellenson is a priority. I think he is about 13th on Cal's priority list right now.
Oh well. If you want to play with the big boys, you have to beat them out for recruits. C'mon Wojo, lock him up before he can even step foot in Kentucky.
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Maybe he's disappointed that the whole Scoop board hasn't put Ellenson in their screen name ;D
Ha!
Or maybe it's that we had him donedealt before everybody started messing with fate and putting Ellenson in their screen names!
I'll consider changing mine the day he signs a Marquette LOI.
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Ha!
Or maybe it's that we had him donedealt before everybody started messing with fate and putting Ellenson in their screen names!
I'll consider changing mine the day he signs a Marquette LOI.
Good for you. If he comes - great! If not, life goes on and MU will be just fine.
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He owes us nothing. I would not blame him one bit for going to a school that offers unbelievable exposure and a great chance at a NC in a two year window. Though, if he goes to Marquette, he can make a legendary name for himself if he lives up to expectations.
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Ha!
Or maybe it's that we had him donedealt before everybody started messing with fate and putting Ellenson in their screen names!
I'll consider changing mine the day he signs a Marquette LOI.
That's when I was going to change mine back.
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He owes us nothing. I would not blame him one bit for going to a school that offers unbelievable exposure and a great chance at a NC in a two year window. Though, if he goes to Marquette, he can make a legendary name for himself if he lives up to expectations.
Who has said Ellenson owes us anything??? Strange comment.
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Got a source? I ain't heard nothing.
Even if it's true, I don't think he'll make it there.
Really? Why would he not want to go? That is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a high school youngster, to visit one of the most storied progams in CBB. I would certainly want to check it out.
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Well if you want a Top 5 recruit you gotta beat the big boys.
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Really? Why would he not want to go? That is a once in a lifetime opportunity for a high school youngster, to visit one of the most storied progams in CBB. I would certainly want to check it out.
Of course, check it out. But then it logically follows that since it is a storied program, he should commit. Never mind that their coach cheats, that Rupp was a segregationist at best, as part of that storied program, and how can we forget the Casey scandal with bundles of cash in FedEx envelopes? All part of that "storied" program.
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Of course, check it out. But then it logically follows that since it is a storied program, he should commit. Never mind that their coach cheats, that Rupp was a segregationist at best, as part of that storied program, and how can we forget the Casey scandal with bundles of cash in FedEx envelopes? All part of that "storied" program.
Cal doesn't need to hand out cash, he just needs to dish out his laundry list of 1st round picks.
I'm interested to see where Ellenson is as a priority for Cal. Cal is also after all 3 guys ahead of Ellenson in ESPN's rankings.
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I just hope this doesn't become Joe Wolf 2.0.
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If Ellenson goes elsewhere, his choice. The Ellenson screenname craze started with five people. It took off when a poster brought it to everyone's attention. I, and I think most, did it as a joke response to the nervous nelly that started the thread.
If Ellenson comes to MU, I can only speak for myself but my expectations will be he'll be good but we'll have to wait and see how good.
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If Ellenson goes elsewhere, his choice. The Ellenson screenname craze started with five people. It took off when a poster brought it to everyone's attention. I, and I think most, did it as a joke response to the nervous nelly that started the thread.
If Ellenson comes to MU, I can only speak for myself but my expectations will be he'll be good but we'll have to wait and see how good.
Good lord, lighten up Francis. ;D. It's kinda fun. Love some of the creativity with the names.
If we get him, great. If we don't, it's Keefe's fault for making fun of the afternoon pie in Rice Lake.
Afternoon pie has feelings too, ya know.
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I ain't gonna pay it no mind, hey?
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Kentucky doesn't have Wally... Or Nick... ;)
Honestly though, I hope the young man finds the right fit for him - whether it's Marquette or somewhere else.
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I thought something bad happened. Kid wants to go to UK Midnight Madness possibly? Good for him, he should, it'd be dumb of him not to check it out.
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#BringDrakeToMadness #BringWadeToMadness
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"develop my game and prepare me for the next level"
That's probably the whole UK pitch when Ellenson visits. 19 players drafted in the 5 seasons since he's been there, most of them being front court players. They have a ton to offer. Put yourself in his shoes, it will be hard to walk away from.
I still think the local school with family ties, friend ties and major minute availability from day one will win out.
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Maybe we can find a 5 star big out there who is considering schools like drake and tulsa or something, then our chances of landing him would be better
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When I saw the subject line, I was thinking: "Please don't tell me Mayo has come back!"
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Maybe we can find a 5 star big out there who is considering schools like drake and tulsa or something, then our chances of landing him would be better
Ben Simmons? Issac copeland? On espn it looks like not many big time schools were after these guys.
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Maybe we can find a 5 star big out there who is considering schools like drake and tulsa or something, then our chances of landing him would be better
This made me LOL. I agree, would rather see Henry committed by MU's Midnight Madness (October 10), but it is what it is. Of course you're up against the Kentucky's of the world when competing for a 5-star. Just have to hope playing with his brother and Nick N, along with Wojo's vision fits what Henry sees as best for him. Wojo has obviously coached his share of future NBA players aside Coach K, but not quite like Cal's NBA factory.
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Why not take all the official visits you can. If any of my kids are ever lucky enough to get recruited I will encourage them to take the visits. I personally would like to see Big Blue Madness in person, maybe that is his thinking as well
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My analogy for ellenson would be this: going to Kentucky would be like getting an elusive reservation for a world class chefs marquee restaurant, but you have to drive 5 hours to get there and it's packed with a slew of rich folks and celebrities. Sure the food is unbelievable, but the setting is frenzied and impersonal. Id rather have a gourmet chef come in to my house, serve me like a king in the comfort of familiar surroundings, while still having a truly memorable meal
Table for one!!!!
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serve me like a king in the comfort of familiar surroundings
King Henry, the 8th Warrior from Wisconsin on next year's team.
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"develop my game and prepare me for the next level"
That's probably the whole UK pitch when Ellenson visits. 19 players drafted in the 5 seasons since he's been there, most of them being front court players. They have a ton to offer. Put yourself in his shoes, it will be hard to walk away from.
I still think the local school with family ties, friend ties and major minute availability from day one will win out.
Which one of those 19 players wouldn't have been drafted if they went somewhere else? Anthony Davis would have been the number 1 pick if he went to UW-Eau Claire. I realize his record impresses recruits, but the main reason that Coach Cal has sent a lot of guys to the NBA is because he recruited a lot of guys who were NBA ready the first day they stepped on campus.
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MU Madness is October 10th. Are you sure Kentucky's madness is October 17th?
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#BringDrakeToMadness #BringWadeToMadness
The funny thing is how possible this actually is
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What is bad about this visit is that it extends out the timeline for Ellenson to make a commtment. With both MSU's and MU's visit this weekend and next I was thinking a decison was comming soon. Now we are looking at a decision that is after October 19th. If we get burned there is not much time left to find a good player.
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My analogy for ellenson would be this: going to Kentucky would be like getting an elusive reservation for a world class chefs marquee restaurant, but you have to drive 5 hours to get there and it's packed with a slew of rich folks and celebrities. Sure the food is unbelievable, but the setting is frenzied and impersonal. Id rather have a gourmet chef come in to my house, serve me like a king in the comfort of familiar surroundings, while still having a truly memorable meal
Table for one!!!!
I like it. One thing you forgot about the elusive restaurant; being seen and telling others you went there. Which is a huge part of the experience. Most of us are from the midwest, that doesn't excite us too much. Hank will stay home.
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MU Madness is October 10th. Are you sure Kentucky's madness is October 17th?
October 17 confirmed.
http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/kty-m-baskbl-sched.html (http://www.ukathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/kty-m-baskbl-sched.html)
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Kentucky. Cheerleaders.
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Sorry if this is common knowledge, but are the Ellenson boys the sons of John Ellenson, who played for MU his freshman year and then transferred to UW?
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Sorry if this is common knowledge, but are the Ellenson boys the sons of John Ellenson, who played for MU his freshman year and then transferred to UW?
Yes.
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If he decides to go to Kentucky, it will not be because he attended big blue madness. If anything, its more likely he's going to big blue madness because he's already decided to go to Kentucky, and I don't think that's the case either.
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Which one of those 19 players wouldn't have been drafted if they went somewhere else? Anthony Davis would have been the number 1 pick if he went to UW-Eau Claire. I realize his record impresses recruits, but the main reason that Coach Cal has sent a lot of guys to the NBA is because he recruited a lot of guys who were NBA ready the first day they stepped on campus.
Completely agree. In fact I think it could be argued a decent amount of them could have been drafted higher if they had gone somewhere else. (of course the lotto picks would probably have stayed that way)
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Yes.
Hence my new temporary name
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Sorry if this is common knowledge, but are the Ellenson boys the sons of John Ellenson, who played for MU his freshman year and then transferred to UW?
Yep as noted by another poster earlier. John Ellenson was a Rick Majerus recruit who signed with MU and then Rick left for the Bucks that summer before John enrolled. John then played one year for Bob Dukiet and they did not mesh and he transferred to UW. One of his teammates that year under Dukiet was Mike Flory, the father of none other than current MU commit Phillip Flory.
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I, and I
who wouda thunk there are any Rastas on Scoop
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It is interesting that despite Dukiet's apparent limitations as a coach, both Ellenson and Flory's fathers still felt MU a worthy choice for the their sons. Sometimes it is the school's performance that matters more than a coaches.
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If he goes to Kentucky, he's already focused on leaving. He's more likely to see it through to graduation at Mich St or MU.
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The thing that bothers me about Ellenson's visit to Kentucky is Cal's "behind-the-scenes" feud with USA Basketball, specifically Coach K and Jimmy B. Heim.
Jimmy B. fired a shot across the bow recently about Cal's whining that he and K were gaining unfair access through their involvement with USA Basketball. Despite the public response from Cal that he holds no ill will towards K and Jimmy B., he is seething with anger that USAB doesn't consider him heir apparent to K's throne.
Here's the kicker -- It wasn't just Duke where Wojo is/was seen as a potential successor to K. Calipari may not even want Ellenson, but Cal's the kind of guy who would cut off his nose to spite his face... when it comes to taking a 5-star away from anyone who might stand in his way, Cal's just the slimeball for the job.
Fortunately, I'm presuming the Ellenson family - by this point - is no stranger to the recruiting process, so hopefully they'll see right through Cal's B.S.
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This bums me out, not because I'm less confident that we will land Henry. But because it probably delays his decision date. It's the waiting that kills me! ;D
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Interesting difference between Kentucky and Marquette fans. I checked out their boards. They are just as active of posters but there is almost no mention of Ellenson. They really don't care if they get him or not. Meanwhile half of our board has Ellenson in their screen names.
Come on Henry, be with the people who care!
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Interesting difference between Kentucky and Marquette fans. I checked out their boards. They are just as active of posters but there is almost no mention of Ellenson. They really don't care if they get him or not. Meanwhile half of our board has Ellenson in their screen names.
Come on Henry, be with the people who care!
Kentucky fans have football to focus on ;)
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This bums me out, not because I'm less confident that we will land Henry. But because it probably delays his decision date. It's the waiting that kills me! ;D
Will keep things interesting on Scoop. If no one transfer next year and it's looking like we'll only have 1 2016 scholarship with Steve Taylor's departure, Scoop won't be any fun. Unless you enjoy the really meaningful analysis of Crean and Buzz post-MU.
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FWIW...Henry has stated he wants to go somewhere where he can continue to develop his game for the next level. As it relates to bigs at UK, Cal really hasn't had to do much "development". Has he had an impressive list of one-and-done bigs? Sure has - and they were ready to go from day one on campus. They were just using UK has the mandatory waiting area with the skills they had coming in.
If Henry really wants to continue to develop his game, and I like to believe he does, then there are likely better alternatives to UK for the young man. And as another poster stated, at this point, his family likely knows the recruiting game well at this point and can navigate the buoys quite effectively.
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FWIW...Henry has stated he wants to go somewhere where he can continue to develop his game for the next level. As it relates to bigs at UK, Cal really hasn't had to do much "development". Has he had an impressive list of one-and-done bigs? Sure has - and they were ready to go from day one on campus. They were just using UK has the mandatory waiting area with the skills they had coming in.
If Henry really wants to continue to develop his game, and I like to believe he does, then there are likely better alternatives to UK for the young man. And as another poster stated, at this point, his family likely knows the recruiting game well at this point and can navigate the buoys quite effectively.
Yep, and I feel like that might be Izzo. MSU is kind of the dark horse here, but there is a realistic chance that we are in 3rd place
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Yep, and I feel like that might be Izzo. MSU is kind of the dark horse here, but there is a realistic chance that we are in 3rd place
We might come in third. But we are definitely in first right now.
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Yep, and I feel like that might be Izzo. MSU is kind of the dark horse here, but there is a realistic chance that we are in 3rd place
Izzo is a great college coach. His success is undeniable. His players haven't exactly hit it out of the park in the NBA, though.
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Kentucky fans have football to focus on ;)
You call that football?
Indiana fans have football too LOL!
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Why don't we all just do the following:
1) Chill out until some of the experts on 24/7 that we know are accurate start to switch predictions, and;
2) Develop a tiny bit of self-esteem so that we don't immediately think the basketball world is coming to an end because another school shows interest in one of our recruits.
If my memory serves me correctly, we have lost recruits before and somehow survived as a program.
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You call that football?
Indiana fans have football too LOL!
right ;)
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We might come in third. But we are definitely in first right now.
If we don't come in first... Who cares what place we finish?
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If we don't come in first... Who cares what place we finish?
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True that.
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Kentucky will always be a hard program to compete with.
Notre Dame in Football was...but as the sun rises, the sun sets.
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Here’s a Question! Would you feel more comfortable Exchanging places with any of the other teams pursuing Henry? My answer made me feel better!
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If I was being recruited by UK I don't think I'd rather have my visit at any other time than Big Blue Madness.
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26,000 fans for a scrimmage, Kentucky is backed much like the Packers are here, you can be swept up into it. Hope he realizes we will be one of many and I bet he goes there he will be
over recruited and never be the man. They have so many bigs for this year and next, should be interesting how playing time is handed out there. They have how many, 9 McDonalds players
on there team.
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He is it down to three schools and has scheduled two visits. You have to schedule the third so you don't tip your hand. I'm not saying KY is out. We don't know which of these visits he thinks is the most important. But he has to schedule all 3
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Don't think I will go bipolar on this either way. :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
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He is foe. To three schools and has schedule,Ed two visits. You have to schedule the third so you don't tip your hand. I'm not saying my is out. We don't know which of these visits he thinks is the most important. But he has to schedule all 3
ESL?
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He is foe. To three schools and has schedule,Ed two visits. You have to schedule the third so you don't tip your hand. I'm not saying my is out. We don't know which of these visits he thinks is the most important. But he has to schedule all 3
Say what???
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Sorry for typos. Fixed. Coughing and typing is a bad combo. My bad.
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26,000 fans for a scrimmage, Kentucky is backed much like the Packers are here, you can be swept up into it. Hope he realizes we will be one of many and I bet he goes there he will be
over recruited and never be the man. They have so many bigs for this year and next, should be interesting how playing time is handed out there. They have how many, 9 McDonalds players
on there team.
Many great players don't mind going to a crowded situation like this. They have supreme confidence that they will win out to be "the man." And, in the process, all that competition will make them better and all the more ready for the NBA.
I'm not saying that's what will happen with Ellenson. I don't know what will happen. But great players agree to go to over-recruited situations all the time, and that's why.
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http://hoopshabit.com/2014/07/08/college-basketball-kentucky-wildcats-deep/
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You call that football?
Indiana fans have football too LOL!
Hey now, the IU pigskinners are tied 17-17 at 18th ranked Missouri right now.....ultimately they will lose, but keeping it respectable today.
Edit: Hung on to beat Missouri on the road. Been a long time since IU beat a ranked SEC team on the road....long time.
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What is bad about this visit is that it extends out the timeline for Ellenson to make a commtment. With both MSU's and MU's visit this weekend and next I was thinking a decison was comming soon. Now we are looking at a decision that is after October 19th. If we get burned there is not much time left to find a good player.
No time left, really. Fortunately, some players actually emerge during the high school season. I assume that if MU gets anyone other than Ellenson for the fourth schollie, it'll be someone we haven't heard mentioned yet.
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No time left, really. Fortunately, some players actually emerge during the high school season. I assume that if MU gets anyone other than Ellenson for the fourth schollie, it'll be someone we haven't heard mentioned yet.
I think that we will fill the spot with a graduate transfer/ regular transfer if we can't find a suitable 2015. As you point out there may be a late bloomer somewhere or a coaching change decommit.
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No time left, really. Fortunately, some players actually emerge during the high school season. I assume that if MU gets anyone other than Ellenson for the fourth schollie, it'll be someone we haven't heard mentioned yet.
I would have to think that a seasoned recruiter like Wojo has a contingency plan, but I don't necessarily think it would have to be someone completely out of the picture. Then again, we don't know every recruit who's actually in the picture right now, so to us it might seem like someone who hasn't yet been mentioned... if it even gets to that point.
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