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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: KenoshaWarrior on September 16, 2014, 09:59:34 AM
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Somebody has told me that the Freshman and Sophomore hoops players reside in Tower Hall?
How are we going to win recruiting battles if Tower Hall is where they live? I LIVED IN TOWER
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Wait, you serious?! They actually live in Tower?!
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Somebody has told me that the Freshman and Sophomore hoops players reside in Tower Hall?
How are we going to win recruiting battles if Tower Hall is where they live? I LIVED IN TOWER
Did this post get stuck in the inter-tubes from about 18 months ago? This was discussed repeatedly back then.
(Regardless, I had heard that underclassmen were now in McCabe Hall...not Tower.)
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They not in Tower this year. Some are in McCabe while freshman are in Mashuda. Pretty sure they let them pick where they want to live cause Taylor was at Straz last year.
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Did this post get stuck in the inter-tubes from about 18 months ago? This was discussed repeatedly back then.
(Regardless, I had heard that underclassmen were now in McCabe Hall...not Tower.)
Was joking about my response. Old, old news.
But yeah, really big disadvantage in the recruiting world. We will never get into the final 3 of a top 5 recruit in the nation, or sign another top 100 player again. SLU, here we come!
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Was joking about my response. Old, old news.
But yeah, really big disadvantage in the recruiting world. We will never get into the final 3 of a top 5 recruit in the nation, or sign another top 100 player again. SLU, here we come!
I should have quoted Kenosha since I was responding to him. I figured you were joking.
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freshmen in mabuddha
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They not in Tower this year. Some are in McCabe while freshman are in Mashuda. Pretty sure they let them pick where they want to live cause Taylor was at Straz last year.
Straz would actually make the most sense. Its the nicest dorm, with in-unit bathrooms and A/C, still relatively close to the Al, and pretty quiet since its an honors dorm, so they'd be less likely to get into trouble.
Rec plex and the cafeteria (which was the best on campus when I was there) obviously don't come into play, since athletes have separate facilities, but still the nicest dorm I think.
BTW, is there still a barbershop in Straz? I always thought that was a nice little feature to have on campus.
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Two years in Carpenter Tower. I loved that place.
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BTW, is there still a barbershop in Straz? I always thought that was a nice little feature to have on campus.
Still there. jsglow jr. got a haircut there a few weeks ago.
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People should read this and realize that they shouldn't respond to the troll anymore.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44349.msg634995#msg634995 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=44349.msg634995#msg634995)
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Still there jsglow jr. got a haircut there a few weeks ago.
Who paid?
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This will help our Tournament seating.
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Somebody has told me that the Freshman and Sophomore hoops players reside in Tower Hall?
How are we going to win recruiting battles if Tower Hall is where they live? I LIVED IN TOWER
We just won't tell them that you ever lived there. Problem solved.
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I am confident that this issue will be resolved by next year.
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This will help our Tournament seating.
Hahaha almost spit my lunch out.
Any Diamond Stone sightings in Bo's office lately?
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One of the sillier battles picked by Pilarz and Larry. But perhaps their greatest victory. ;)
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I have a good friend who was a reasonably highly recruited scholarship player for MU WBB. She thinks this is a great thing. Now she says that with the perspective of 10+ years out of college but she felt the all Humpty Dump suite experience stifled the MU experience.
I get it, she's not 18 and she's not a guy but she did live it.
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Straz would actually make the most sense. Its the nicest dorm, with in-unit bathrooms and A/C, still relatively close to the Al, and pretty quiet since its an honors dorm, so they'd be less likely to get into trouble.
Rec plex and the cafeteria (which was the best on campus when I was there) obviously don't come into play, since athletes have separate facilities, but still the nicest dorm I think.
BTW, is there still a barbershop in Straz? I always thought that was a nice little feature to have on campus.
McCabe and Mashuda are closer to Humphrey though...where the other players are.
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What is Stras? Is it what used to be East Hall?
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What is Stras? Is it what used to be East Hall?
No, it is what used to be The Y.
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No, it is what used to be The Y.
I'm not sure if you are making a funny, but the Y, East Hall and Straz are all the same thing.
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I'm not sure if you are making a funny, but the Y, East Hall and Straz are all the same thing.
Thanks. It was East Hall when I was there. I seem to remember it was pretty outdated and I thought the school was selling it. Did they renovate?
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I'm not sure if you are making a funny, but the Y, East Hall and Straz are all the same thing.
Yeah, I was making a funny.
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Lived in CT, I enjoyed the quiet... and at the end of the hall allowed quiet drinking w/o RA interruption. Wouldn't be so bad for players it's a short walk to Johnston hall.
Plus the Bean was a great dining hall for atmosphere.
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Lived in CT, I enjoyed the quiet... and at the end of the hall allowed quiet drinking w/o RA interruption. Wouldn't be so bad for players it's a short walk to Johnston hall.
Wojo's players will all be at the Engineering building, though.
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Thanks. It was East Hall when I was there. I seem to remember it was pretty outdated and I thought the school was selling it. Did they renovate?
There were major renovations in the early 2000s. It was the nicest dorm on campus when I was there.
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There were major renovations in the early 2000s. It was the nicest dorm on campus when I was there.
When we did tours through East/Straz, the single rooms were the main attraction. The location with a downstairs gym and barber shop were pluses.
Negatives: distance from most of the campus; cross the bridge; closer to downtown and transients; cafeteria food and social life.
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We just won't tell them that you ever lived there. Problem solved.
The Freshman live in Carpenter Tower or Mashuda this year.
And the Sophmores in McCabe Hall which is a very nice building newly renovated, and of course the upperclassmen in Humphrey Apartments.
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When we did tours through East/Straz, the single rooms were the main attraction. The location with a downstairs gym and barber shop were pluses.
Negatives: distance from most of the campus; cross the bridge; closer to downtown and transients; cafeteria food and social life.
It was no fun slogging across that bridge after a snow storm.
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It was no fun slogging across that bridge after a snow storm.
Crossing that bridge from November until April has to be one of the worst experiences you will have at MU. I will never forget the misery of that trudge as long as I live.
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Do the Lady Warriors live in the Virgin Vault?
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I loved Straz when I lived there 2 years ago. Best dorm food on campus. Though that was a cold walk in December and January. 4ever, I think the womens team lives in Carpenter as well, although our names for cobeen have gotten much more vulgar over the years apparently.
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Lived in East Hall (now Straz) my sophomore year. That was right after the 2nd round of renovations. They renovated half of it each year for two years. My frosh year, their were numerous sprinkler malfunctions (the regular kind not ZFB's sprinkler malfunctions) but that was all ironed out by the time I lived their. Lived in a very roomy triple.
Highlights:
Best Cafeteria on campus
Private bathrooms
Rec Plex (despite the dead spot on the basketball court near one of the baskets)
Barbershop
I was a Comm major so I got to enjoy the short walks to Johnston Hall
Freeway standing on the bridge everyday with an Aldi's bag
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Lived in East Hall (now Straz) my sophomore year. That was right after the 2nd round of renovations. They renovated half of it each year for two years. My frosh year, their were numerous sprinkler malfunctions (the regular kind not ZFB's sprinkler malfunctions) but that was all ironed out by the time I lived their. Lived in a very roomy triple.
When I lived there, it was only doubles and quads. Might explain why your triple was so roomy.
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I am confident that this issue will be resolved by next year.
At least in this article, doesn't sound like Duke basketball players are living in the lap of luxury.
http://www.dukechronicle.com/articles/2013/02/05/duke-basketballs-rodney-hood-finds-frustration-transfer-travel-restrictions
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At least in this article, doesn't sound like Duke basketball players are living in the lap of luxury.
http://www.dukechronicle.com/articles/2013/02/05/duke-basketballs-rodney-hood-finds-frustration-transfer-travel-restrictions
Restrictions on internet? Probably not.
How many kids these days watch TV? They don't watch it just to watch TV anymore; it's really become "white noise" while they search the net, text friends, watch videos, etc.
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Restrictions on internet? Probably not.
How many kids these days watch TV? They don't watch it just to watch TV anymore; it's really become "white noise" while they search the net, text friends, watch videos, etc.
I would expect they like to watch a live sporting event or two, which are mostly on tv. Looks like they are living in the dorms at Duke as Freshmen and Sophomores. I may be wrong. I believe at Notre Dame there are no athletic dorms, freshmen and sophomores live amongst their peers. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--at-notre-dame--campus-life-differs-little-for-student-and-football-star-151519405.html
Stanford...same thing. http://tusb.stanford.edu/2010/12/our-athletes-are-better-than-yours.html
UCLA...same thing....they don't even charter and have to get into Southwest Airlines planes like the rest of the cattle. http://blog.admissions.ucla.edu/2012/03/07/ucla-student-athletes/
I'd be curious to see if the policy is changed at MU, as certainly some of the best athletic programs in the country can perform at high levels while integrating students athletes with their peers and still enjoy success.
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I've never seen the rooms in McCabe or Straz, but all the other dorms are pretty terrible. Don't get me wrong I loved my time in McCormick and Wally Hall, but by no means were they nice dorms. Those other schools where the athletes live with the general population probably have nicer dorms overall...and they definitely have better food.
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At UCLA, I've been told, the basketball playas have single rooms. Not the case during the summer where they roomed with a teammate in a different dorm. BTW, when you're 6' 9" there ain't alotta leg room on Southwest. Even seat guru.com ain't gonna help, hey?
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I would expect they like to watch a live sporting event or two, which are mostly on tv. Looks like they are living in the dorms at Duke as Freshmen and Sophomores. I may be wrong. I believe at Notre Dame there are no athletic dorms, freshmen and sophomores live amongst their peers. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--at-notre-dame--campus-life-differs-little-for-student-and-football-star-151519405.html
Stanford...same thing. http://tusb.stanford.edu/2010/12/our-athletes-are-better-than-yours.html
UCLA...same thing....they don't even charter and have to get into Southwest Airlines planes like the rest of the cattle. http://blog.admissions.ucla.edu/2012/03/07/ucla-student-athletes/
I'd be curious to see if the policy is changed at MU, as certainly some of the best athletic programs in the country can perform at high levels while integrating students athletes with their peers and still enjoy success.
Having seen the dorms at all of the universities you have listed except for Stanford, I can safely tell you that the "dorms" at these schools are nicer than the Humphery apartments.
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Having seen the dorms at all of the universities you have listed except for Stanford, I can safely tell you that the "dorms" at these schools are nicer than the Humphery apartments.
Understood, but where I'm coming from is that those schools don't have specialized athletic dorms (technically no one does since 51% of a dorm must be general students) that are taj mahals vs the normal dorm other students stay in. To me, that's part of the problem when you are putting certain people on a pedestal...sure, many will argue you have to do that to recruit, etc. My point is that many successful programs prove out that you don't need to do that and it might benefit the student athlete better in the long run having them actually live amongst non student athletes. Just an opinion.
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Understood, but where I'm coming from is that those schools don't have specialized athletic dorms (technically no one does since 51% of a dorm must be general students) that are taj mahals vs the normal dorm other students stay in. To me, that's part of the problem when you are putting certain people on a pedestal...sure, many will argue you have to do that to recruit, etc. My point is that many successful programs prove out that you don't need to do that and it might benefit the student athlete better in the long run having them actually live amongst non student athletes. Just an opinion.
I have nothing against athletes living in the general population - I even like the idea philosophically. But athletes in the revenue producing sports ARE more valuable than the normal student. Great that UCLA, Duke and Stanford have fantastic dormitory facilities for all students. Wish MU did too. We don't. Having our athletes live in crummy dorms because other students do is silly and will hurt our efforts to compete.
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Understood, but where I'm coming from is that those schools don't have specialized athletic dorms (technically no one does since 51% of a dorm must be general students) that are taj mahals vs the normal dorm other students stay in. To me, that's part of the problem when you are putting certain people on a pedestal...sure, many will argue you have to do that to recruit, etc. My point is that many successful programs prove out that you don't need to do that and it might benefit the student athlete better in the long run having them actually live amongst non student athletes. Just an opinion.
So because basketball players at UCLA stay in nice dorms, Marquette players should stay in dumpy ones? Or are you saying Marquette needs a major dorm overhaul? I'd favor the dorm upgrades that benefit everyone. Then the value of living among the general student population is a positive and not a negative.
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I have nothing against athletes living in the general population - I even like the idea philosophically. But athletes in the revenue producing sports ARE more valuable than the normal student. Great that UCLA, Duke and Stanford have fantastic dormitory facilities for all students. Wish MU did too. We don't. Having our athletes live in crummy dorms because other students do is silly and will hurt our efforts to compete.
Has it hurt? I know that was Buzz's argument, but based on the last two recruiting classes....from a rankings perspective it doesn't seem to.
If we land a top 5 class this year, does that mean we should expect top 3 if we change the policies?
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So because basketball players at UCLA stay in nice dorms, Marquette players should stay in dumpy ones? Or are you saying Marquette needs a major dorm overhaul? I'd favor the dorm upgrades that benefit everyone. Then the value of living among the general student population is a positive and not a negative.
I'd love to see an upgrade for everyone, my point is it doesn't seem like the current dorms are hurting MU's recruiting efforts both for students or student athletes. Every one of us chose MU, sure the living arrangements were important, but they were way down the list on why I chose to attend MU. I suspect that is the same for most student athletes.
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Has it hurt? I know that was Buzz's argument, but based on the last two recruiting classes....from a rankings perspective it doesn't seem to.
If we land a top 5 class this year, does that mean we should expect top 3 if we change the policies?
Let's get real Chicos. All things are not equal in recruiting. Trying to recruit to Milwaukee, WI aint the same as trying to recruit to Westwood and Palo Alto, CA. Notre Dame? While, it has the mystique.
Now, Stillwater, Oklahoma? Hmm. Not a lot to sell geographically there, so what does Boone Pickens do? Builds amazing facilities and residences for the athletes.
There is simply zero reason to make recruiting anymore difficult and challenging than it already is.
Where are basketball players at IU housed?
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Let's get real Chicos. All things are not equal in recruiting. Trying to recruit to Milwaukee, WI aint the same as trying to recruit to Westwood and Palo Alto, CA. Notre Dame? While, it has the mystique.
Now, Stillwater, Oklahoma? Hmm. Not a lot to sell geographically there, so what does Boone Pickens do? Builds amazing facilities and residences for the athletes.
There is simply zero reason to make recruiting anymore difficult and challenging than it already is.
Where are basketball players at IU housed?
Not saying they are equal, but again I'm pointing to the results. If we land Ellenson and get a top 5 class with the current policy, what does changing the policy do? Top 3? Seems to me the current policy didn't hurt us from landing a very good class two years ago, what would have been a good class this last year if not for Buzz leaving and kids opting out, and Wojo landing a very good class. Have we ever thought that some kids and their families WANT their kids to enjoy the college experience with their peers? That's one of the big selling points at some of the schools I mentioned. I could go on with Vanderbilt and many others.
I do not know where student athletes are housed at IU today. Back when I was there, as freshmen and sophomores they lived in the dorms like everyone else. I don't know if they had roommates, or whatever, but the kid next door could be an Engineering student from DeKalb or a biology student from Stockholm, whatever. That may not be the case anymore. When I was at KU, football and basketball players lived in on campus apartments. Calvin Rayford, Dana Stubblefield and Gilbert Brown all lived in the same apartment building I did....it was not that great. Having said that, KU is building an athletics dorm now for basketball, men's and women's.
I totally get it, I'm just curious what the pay off is since many schools do just fine with this philosophy and MU hasn't been hurt by it if one looks at the results of late. There are some significant societal benefits to taking that approach. Plenty of benefits for building nice digs, as well, but also some downside that should be factored in. In my opinion.
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http://thebiglead.com/2012/11/14/john-calipari-tours-the-kentucky-basketball-dorm-video/
With the talk of Henry's Kentucky visit, check out the Kentucky basketball suites "dorms". Truly an NBA factory, and one thing that stands out to me is Cal's pitch that the bathroom sinks are made for 7-footers. I'd be jumping to try to wash my hands.
This was posted here a year or so back, so you have already seen it.
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Not saying they are equal, but again I'm pointing to the results. If we land Ellenson and get a top 5 class with the current policy, what does changing the policy do? Top 3? Seems to me the current policy didn't hurt us from landing a very good class two years ago, what would have been a good class this last year if not for Buzz leaving and kids opting out, and Wojo landing a very good class. Have we ever thought that some kids and their families WANT their kids to enjoy the college experience with their peers? That's one of the big selling points at some of the schools I mentioned. I could go on with Vanderbilt and many others.
I do not know where student athletes are housed at IU today. Back when I was there, as freshmen and sophomores they lived in the dorms like everyone else. I don't know if they had roommates, or whatever, but the kid next door could be an Engineering student from DeKalb or a biology student from Stockholm, whatever. That may not be the case anymore. When I was at KU, football and basketball players lived in on campus apartments. Calvin Rayford, Dana Stubblefield and Gilbert Brown all lived in the same apartment building I did....it was not that great. Having said that, KU is building an athletics dorm now for basketball, men's and women's.
I totally get it, I'm just curious what the pay off is since many schools do just fine with this philosophy and MU hasn't been hurt by it if one looks at the results of late. There are some significant societal benefits to taking that approach. Plenty of benefits for building nice digs, as well, but also some downside that should be factored in. In my opinion.
Tear down the Al McGuire Center! Marquette's best players (Thompson, Meminger, Lucas, Ellis, Lee, Wade, etc.) came here when the team practiced at the old gym! Bring back Willie Wampum! Let's be an Independent! That's when we had our greatest success!
C'mon, Chico, just because an ill equipped army wins a few battles it doesn't mean you keep them that way. I know your instincts cause you to look backwards for solutions but thinking that putting our basketball players in really crummy dorms won't hurt us in the long run makes zero sense.
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Tear down the Al McGuire Center! Marquette's best players (Thompson, Meminger, Lucas, Ellis, Lee, Wade, etc.) came here when the team practiced at the old gym! Bring back Willie Wampum! Let's be an Independent! That's when we had our greatest success!
C'mon, Chico, just because an ill equipped army wins a few battles it doesn't mean you keep them that way. I know your instincts cause you to look backwards for solutions but thinking that putting our basketball players in really crummy dorms won't hurt us in the long run makes zero sense.
I think Tap just volunteered to lead the $100 million fundraising effort necessary to build a new dorm from scratch.
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IIRC, when I was at MU there were non-athlete students that lived in Humphrey. So the basketball players were already living among members of the general student population. Is that still the case with Humphrey?
Correct me if I'm wrong on either account.
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Chicos sure is back. I now have pages of reading to do to catch up on Scooop rather than a few posts in a few threads.
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I think Tap just volunteered to lead the $100 million fundraising effort necessary to build a new dorm from scratch.
Let me start the ball rolling with a 20 million dollar pledge - 19,999,980.00 on behalf of Dick Strong and a crisp $20 bill from me. Take it home from here, Chick.
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Let me start the ball rolling with a 20 million dollar pledge - 19,999,980.00 on behalf of Dick Strong and a crisp $20 bill from me. Take it home from here, Chick.
Why would I do that when I don't agree that we need to build a new dorm for the basketball players?
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We don't need to build new dorms for basketball players. I don't think that would be right. I do think we need to make sure our players are offered the best accommodations on campus. Give em Straz, McCabe, Mashuda, Humphrey. Don't give them Carpenter.
Even better, upgrade the housing for everybody. Our residence halls are decades behind our competitors. I'm not sure I've seen a university of Marquette's prestige with worse residence halls. And I've been to a lot of campuses.
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Let me start the ball rolling with a 20 million dollar pledge - 19,999,980.00 on behalf of Dick Strong and a crisp $20 bill from me. Take it home from here, Chick.
Lenny Man,
Dickie's already heavily involved with the Bucks. Not sure how thin he wants to spread the scheckles, ya know?
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Tear down the Al McGuire Center! Marquette's best players (Thompson, Meminger, Lucas, Ellis, Lee, Wade, etc.) came here when the team practiced at the old gym! Bring back Willie Wampum! Let's be an Independent! That's when we had our greatest success!
C'mon, Chico, just because an ill equipped army wins a few battles it doesn't mean you keep them that way. I know your instincts cause you to look backwards for solutions but thinking that putting our basketball players in really crummy dorms won't hurt us in the long run makes zero sense.
Very poor example. You're trying to compare past success with lack of present success. Problem is, we are having recruiting success TODAY, so your analogy doesn't hold up.
Maybe it does hurt us in the long run, but today it doesn't seem to, despite the arguments that it is hurting us in recruiting
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We don't need to build new dorms for basketball players. I don't think that would be right. I do think we need to make sure our players are offered the best accommodations on campus. Give em Straz, McCabe, Mashuda, Humphrey. Don't give them Carpenter.
Even better, upgrade the housing for everybody. Our residence halls are decades behind our competitors. I'm not sure I've seen a university of Marquette's prestige with worse residence halls. And I've been to a lot of campuses.
What no OD on that list? At least if they lived there someone might use the "man cave"
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Very poor example. You're trying to compare past success with lack of present success. Problem is, we are having recruiting success TODAY, so your analogy doesn't hold up.
Maybe it does hurt us in the long run, but today it doesn't seem to, despite the arguments that it is hurting us in recruiting
We had the momentum Buzz had produced and for a moment at least we have the excitement of an energetic new coach. But if you think doing things on the cheap and going back to an era where our basketball players live in dumps like Schroeder and McCormick won't ultimately hurt us, why not go all the way back? Why do we need the Al? A strength coach? Tutors? Because our competition all has them? Shouldn't matter. We're Marquette. We're entitled. Like we were in the late 70s and early 80s when $$$ came to college basketball and we didn't keep up. How'd it work out that time?
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What no OD on that list? At least if they lived there someone might use the "man cave"
You know I love the OD. Lived there two years. But you don't love it until after your there. Going in you hate it
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I loved Carpenter Tower. Closet space, private bathroom great view of the Marquette Interchange, short walk to Hegarty's, short walk to Johnston Hall.
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We had the momentum Buzz had produced and for a moment at least we have the excitement of an energetic new coach. But if you think doing things on the cheap and going back to an era where our basketball players live in dumps like Schroeder and McCormick won't ultimately hurt us, why not go all the way back? Why do we need the Al? A strength coach? Tutors? Because our competition all has them? Shouldn't matter. We're Marquette. We're entitled. Like we were in the late 70s and early 80s when $$$ came to college basketball and we didn't keep up. How'd it work out that time?
Look, I'm not against updating dorms. I'm asking what it gives us. As I stated earlier, I think it should be done, however, for the benefit of all the students and not just a few. There is a benefit, IMO, that these guys are actually part of the community and not sheltered away from their peers.
I understand your argument completely, no one is saying go back....that is just you pushing a red herring. One could easily flip your argument that if we don't do all these things we won't be successful....well then why not take it to the other extreme and if we don't have our own on campus gym, we're screwed. If we don't start football immediately and get us into a FBS division, we're done for. If we don't allow anyone with a pulse to have admittance to the university as a basketball player, we will never win another game. Equally illogical, but really no different than the argument you are making.
I suspect the answer is somewhere in the middle. If you're going to put the money into it, then fine, but the argument then is a "keep up with the Joneses" argument, because today we are recruiting just fine and have for the last 15 years. We should also be asking the question if we want student athletes to be part of the community in an integrated fashion, or separate. IMO
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You know I love the OD. Lived there two years. But you don't love it until after your there. Going in you hate it
I loved the OD, because it was all chicks when I was there. Good times.
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I understand your argument completely, no one is saying go back....that is just you pushing a red herring.
No one is saying go back? Really? We already did go back, to a "pre Humphrey" dorm policy. This policy means poorer facilities for our student athletes. Which you applaud. Fine, but if poorer facilities make no difference to recruiting why not go back and cut some more corners? I'm sure we'd be fine. Not.
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No one is saying go back? Really? We already did go back, to a "pre Humphrey" dorm policy. This policy means poorer facilities for our student athletes. Which you applaud. Fine, but if poorer facilities make no difference to recruiting why not go back and cut some more corners? I'm sure we'd be fine. Not.
No, I applaud better facilities for the student body, of which student athletes are part of. I'd like to see the student athletes be part of the community more.
In my opinion, my solution is a win win. Build better facilities that improve the standards for all the students, including student athletes. That eliminates the "poorer facilities" argument, and it also makes student athletes integrate with their peers and not just put them up on a pedestal and segregated from their peers. Is that approach not ok? Seems to work at many institutions with athletic success far greater than ours.
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No, I applaud better facilities for the student body, of which student athletes are part of. I'd like to see the student athletes be part of the community more.
In my opinion, my solution is a win win. Build better facilities that improve the standards for all the students, including student athletes. That eliminates the "poorer facilities" argument, and it also makes student athletes integrate with their peers and not just put them up on a pedestal and segregated from their peers. Is that approach not ok? Seems to work at many institutions with athletic success far greater than ours.
So 10 years from now (or 20) when the dorms are updated, everyone will be happy and we won't be at a competitive disadvantage anymore. Great. Wouldn't it be better to update the dorms first?
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You know I love the OD. Lived there two years. But you don't love it until after your there. Going in you hate it
Hey, we agree on something. Agree 100% with your sentiments.
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So 10 years from now (or 20) when the dorms are updated, everyone will be happy and we won't be at a competitive disadvantage anymore. Great. Wouldn't it be better to update the dorms first?
Again, show me where this competitive disadvantage is not just in your head and is manifest in reality?
Kids pick schools for all kinds of reasons, the #1 reason is usually the coach, followed by things like the tradition of program or the ability to get them to the next level, etc. Where they sleep at night is usually far down the list and for some reason, both regular students and student athletes continue to come to MU despite apparently only 4 walls, a ceiling, a floor and bed at their disposal.
Why would it take 10 or 20 years? Schroeder was renovated, Mashuda, Straz, Abbotsford as well.
10 worst dorms in America...Va Tech made the list, hope Buzz can recruit there. G'Town made the list. Illinois made the list. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/09/the-10-worst-dorms-in-ame_n_833341.html
Meanwhile, amongst the best in the nation were Georgia State, LaSalle, Winona State, and Loyola of Maryland (yes Nova and Missouri also made the list)....look for them on ESPN tonight due to their recruiting prowess of student athletes. http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/03/09/ranking-the-residences-georgia-state-tops-nations-best-college-dorms/
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You know I love the OD. Lived there two years. But you don't love it until after your there. Going in you hate it
I enjoyed it as much as I disliked it. It was fun but it was annoying to have to sneak my GF in and out in my lacrosse bag plus kinda wished for urinals.
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I gotta share a story I heard from my brother, who was an RA in Carpenter last year. He told me that the basketball players who lived there were extremely friendly, especially Deonte Burton. He also told me that occasionally the players would attend hall programs! As a former RA myself (TAMU and I ruled the roost in OD for two years) I know how hard it is to get kids to come to hall programs, especially the "I'm too cool for this" type. My brother told me that DB and the other players participated in a "Minute to Win It" type program and were some of the most engaged, competitive, and excited people there. Apparently DB won a couple of medals!
When I was at MU, the players were all cloistered in Humphrey, where they never interacted with the student body. Sure, the living arrangements in the dorms aren't as plush as in Humphrey, but I think it has been good for our players to get to interact with other students. Wherever they end up, I hope it's not somewhere secluded from everyone else.
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I gotta share a story I heard from my brother, who was an RA in Carpenter last year. He told me that the basketball players who lived there were extremely friendly, especially Deonte Burton. He also told me that occasionally the players would attend hall programs! As a former RA myself (TAMU and I ruled the roost in OD for two years) I know how hard it is to get kids to come to hall programs, especially the "I'm too cool for this" type. My brother told me that DB and the other players participated in a "Minute to Win It" type program and were some of the most engaged, competitive, and excited people there. Apparently DB won a couple of medals!
When I was at MU, the players were all cloistered in Humphrey, where they never interacted with the student body. Sure, the living arrangements in the dorms aren't as plush as in Humphrey, but I think it has been good for our players to get to interact with other students. Wherever they end up, I hope it's not somewhere secluded from everyone else.
Good to hear. That's what I'm talking about....immersion with their peers. Good for everybody. These guys aren't going to be on a pedestal their whole lives, best for them to understand that early and learn to communicate and participate with mere mortals.
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Good to hear. That's what I'm talking about....immersion with their peers. Good for everybody. These guys aren't going to be on a pedestal their whole lives, best for them to understand that early and learn to communicate and participate with mere mortals.
Like you've said, there are many ways to skin a cat. There are going to be some recruits who see UK's fancy pretty much athlete only dorm and be attracted to it. There will be others who want to be part of a community on the university. Just got to find the best talent that is the right fit for the program, coach, etc.
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I gotta share a story I heard from my brother, who was an RA in Carpenter last year. He told me that the basketball players who lived there were extremely friendly, especially Deonte Burton. He also told me that occasionally the players would attend hall programs! As a former RA myself (TAMU and I ruled the roost in OD for two years) I know how hard it is to get kids to come to hall programs, especially the "I'm too cool for this" type. My brother told me that DB and the other players participated in a "Minute to Win It" type program and were some of the most engaged, competitive, and excited people there. Apparently DB won a couple of medals!
When I was at MU, the players were all cloistered in Humphrey, where they never interacted with the student body. Sure, the living arrangements in the dorms aren't as plush as in Humphrey, but I think it has been good for our players to get to interact with other students. Wherever they end up, I hope it's not somewhere secluded from everyone else.
This is a great story. Thank you for sharing. I think it speaks a lot to who Deonte Burton is as well as some of the benefits of integrating student athletes into residence halls.
That being said, it *does* put Marquette at a recruiting disadvantage. So there has to be a balance. Do you build something like Kentucky has? No, I don't think so. Do you go back to putting everyone in Humphrey? That isn't going to happen either.
But building a nicer residence hall that can keep the team closer as teammates, not be used as a negative for recruiting purposes, all while making sure that the student athletes are integrated into the student body is a good thing. The new residence hall at UW is a good example of that.
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Hall programs, ha!
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I gotta share a story I heard from my brother, who was an RA in Carpenter last year. He told me that the basketball players who lived there were extremely friendly, especially Deonte Burton. He also told me that occasionally the players would attend hall programs! As a former RA myself (TAMU and I ruled the roost in OD for two years) I know how hard it is to get kids to come to hall programs, especially the "I'm too cool for this" type. My brother told me that DB and the other players participated in a "Minute to Win It" type program and were some of the most engaged, competitive, and excited people there. Apparently DB won a couple of medals!
When I was at MU, the players were all cloistered in Humphrey, where they never interacted with the student body. Sure, the living arrangements in the dorms aren't as plush as in Humphrey, but I think it has been good for our players to get to interact with other students. Wherever they end up, I hope it's not somewhere secluded from everyone else.
Michael Wilson and Terrell Schlundt were pretty regular guys on the floor at McCormick. Haven't kept track of Wilson but Schlundt has a successful life outside of hoop and I'm sure living amongst us slugs didn't hurt.
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I gotta share a story I heard from my brother, who was an RA in Carpenter last year. He told me that the basketball players who lived there were extremely friendly, especially Deonte Burton. He also told me that occasionally the players would attend hall programs! As a former RA myself (TAMU and I ruled the roost in OD for two years) I know how hard it is to get kids to come to hall programs, especially the "I'm too cool for this" type. My brother told me that DB and the other players participated in a "Minute to Win It" type program and were some of the most engaged, competitive, and excited people there. Apparently DB won a couple of medals!
When I was at MU, the players were all cloistered in Humphrey, where they never interacted with the student body. Sure, the living arrangements in the dorms aren't as plush as in Humphrey, but I think it has been good for our players to get to interact with other students. Wherever they end up, I hope it's not somewhere secluded from everyone else.
You now get to be the recipient of all my displaced anger for the amount of times I was written up in that hall my freshman year >:(
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At UCLA, I've been told, the basketball playas have single rooms. Not the case during the summer where they roomed with a teammate in a different dorm. BTW, when you're 6' 9" there ain't alotta leg room on Southwest. Even seat guru.com ain't gonna help, hey?
Wait, "We have Bigs"
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You now get to be the recipient of all my displaced anger for the amount of times I was written up in that hall my freshman year >:(
That probably should go towards me more than OD238, haha.
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That probably should go towards me more than OD238, haha.
haha I'm still waiting for the blow up doll back!
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haha I'm still waiting for the blow up doll back!
Not sure you are going to want it any longer.
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I gotta share a story I heard from my brother, who was an RA in Carpenter last year. He told me that the basketball players who lived there were extremely friendly, especially Deonte Burton. He also told me that occasionally the players would attend hall programs! As a former RA myself (TAMU and I ruled the roost in OD for two years) I know how hard it is to get kids to come to hall programs, especially the "I'm too cool for this" type. My brother told me that DB and the other players participated in a "Minute to Win It" type program and were some of the most engaged, competitive, and excited people there. Apparently DB won a couple of medals!
When I was at MU, the players were all cloistered in Humphrey, where they never interacted with the student body. Sure, the living arrangements in the dorms aren't as plush as in Humphrey, but I think it has been good for our players to get to interact with other students. Wherever they end up, I hope it's not somewhere secluded from everyone else.
Wow as a former RA this made me feel amazing. I mean that's awesome. I would never dream in a hundred years of a player coming to one of my programs much less any other student I didn't bribe to come.
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Not sure you are going to want it any longer.
OD does get lonely even for RAs
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haha I'm still waiting for the blow up doll back!
Bahaha, I forgot about that
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Wow as a former RA this made me feel amazing. I mean that's awesome. I would never dream in a hundred years of a player coming to one of my programs much less any other student I didn't bribe to come.
Pretty sure the only Hall Program I attend was yours, you weren't my RA and we watched Major League.
It wasn't horrible.
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Tower shouldn't be a disadvantage when recruiting Ellenson since I've heard that they're holding the top floor penthouse for him, just in case. It's a really fun place.
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Bahaha, I forgot about that
I think I must have missed this story. Maybe it happened while I was trying to wake up the sleeping naked couple after visitation hours. That was awkward...