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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Johnny B on August 31, 2014, 11:48:05 AM
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MU, FSU CAL Goergetown
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This has been known for weeks. Try to keep up.
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This has been known for weeks. Try to keep up.
Ouch that hurts. I didn't know Goergetown was in It. Good for you being ahead of the curb.
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Ouch that hurts. I didn't know Goergetown was in It. Good for you being ahead of the curb.
Actually most everyone was ahead of you. Just read the existing 8 page thread on him.
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Actually most everyone was ahead of you. Just read the existing 8 page thread on him.
Oh I didn't see that thank you so much.
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Actually most everyone was ahead of you. Just read the existing 8 page thread on him.
If you go on his twitter you'll find this was just officially announced.
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Ouch that hurts. I didn't know Goergetown was in It. Good for you being ahead of the curb.
Oh I didn't see that thank you so much.
I admire your classy responses to what were pretty much unnecessary condescending posts.
And for what it's worth - your post does add some value - as some were speculating it was simply between us and Cal...and there were originally 6 schools on his list. Baylor has been eliminated...and it escapes me right now the other school that didn't make the cut.
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If you go on his twitter you'll find this was just officially announced.
It would have helped if you had mentioned the new twitter post before your fourth post, and why start a new thread? I believe that those were the cause of the way your thread was received.
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Do you mean the 9 page thread on preppy boy shoes?
I stopped reading the thread on Haanif when it had nothing to do with Haanif.
Thanks Johnny.
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Do you mean the 9 page thread on preppy boy shoes?
I stopped reading the thread on Hannif when it had nothing to do with Hannif.
Thanks Johnny.
Admittedly there was some great information about shoes in it.
Has there been any reports of how the visit went? Usually someone writes and article about such things
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It would have helped if you had mentioned the new twitter post before your fourth post, and why start a new thread? I believe that those were the cause of the way your thread was received.
Yeah because scoop has been SO busy lately. It's gonna be really hard to find all of the pertinent information on the front page now...all because of this thread.
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I admire your classy responses to what were pretty much unnecessary condescending posts.
And for what it's worth - your post does add some value - as some were speculating it was simply between us and Cal...and there were originally 6 schools on his list. Baylor has been eliminated...and it escapes me right now the other school that didn't make the cut.
I'm not sure if your defending me or accusing me but thanks anyways
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Do you mean the 9 page thread on preppy boy shoes?
I stopped reading the thread on Hannif when it had nothing to do with Hannif.
Thanks Johnny.
Appreciate the support
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One of my buddies is a manager for the team and I talked to him yesterday.
He said typical protocol for visits like that is that the entire team (coaches, managers, players) plus the recruit and his family go to Wojo's house for lunch the day after the recruit sees campus, the Al, the Bradley Center.
As for Haanif, my buddy said he was really reserved (pretty typical for a recruit in a setting he's not familiar with) but that he seemed to really enjoy the visit in general and hit it off with the current guys on the team as the visit went on. Haanif commended MU for being very "family-oriented" in terms of close relationships and get-togethers like that at Wojo's place with everyone on the team involved. (Honestly, super refreshing to hear that because I was a student manager my freshman year under Buzz and that wasn't an impression any recruit would be under. Wojo has gone above and beyond to make every person in the program feel valuable. An actual quote from the guy who now works for Wojo as a manger: "I actually enjoy coming into work now. Wojo has changed pretty much everything")
In regards to Henry, and I know people here have sources that have indicated similar things, and Mark Miller tweeting positive things has been great as well, but my buddy said the staff is really confident in landing Henry. Not only because of Wally, but because of the familiarity with others too (Nick, being close to home, etc.) and his relationship with Wojo being maybe the biggest thing. So who knows, just wanted to pass along some things I'd heard. Both encouraging, and let's really hope these two guys commit. Couldn't ask for a better first few months if we land them. In Wojo We Trust.
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One of my buddies is a manager for the team and I talked to him yesterday.
He said typical protocol for visits like that is that the entire team (coaches, managers, players) plus the recruit and his family go to Wojo's house for lunch the day after the recruit sees campus, the Al, the Bradley Center.
As for Haanif, my buddy said he was really reserved (pretty typical for a recruit in a setting he's not familiar with) but that he seemed to really enjoy the visit in general and hit it off with the current guys on the team as the visit went on. Haanif commended MU for being very "family-oriented" in terms of close relationships and get-togethers like that at Wojo's place with everyone on the team involved. (Honestly, super refreshing to hear that because I was a student manager my freshman year under Buzz and that wasn't an impression any recruit would be under. Wojo has gone above and beyond to make every person in the program feel valuable. An actual quote from the guy who now works for Wojo as a manger: "I actually enjoy coming into work now. Wojo has changed pretty much everything")
In regards to Henry, and I know people here have sources that have indicated similar things, and Mark Miller tweeting positive things has been great as well, but my buddy said the staff is really confident in landing Henry. Not only because of Wally, but because of the familiarity with others too (Nick, being close to home, etc.) and his relationship with Wojo being maybe the biggest thing. So who knows, just wanted to pass along some things I'd heard. Both encouraging, and let's really hope these two guys commit. Couldn't ask for a better first few months if we land them. In Wojo We Trust.
Thanks for the info. All stuff I like hearing.
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People are getting antsy, we really need the season to get here
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Ouch that hurts. I didn't know Goergetown was in It. Good for you being ahead of the curb.
Curbs move so fast; not easy to stay ahead of 'em.
OK, I'll apologize now for being a jerk. I just couldn't resist throwing this kind of, um, curb-ball!
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Curbs move so fast; not easy to stay ahead of 'em.
OK, I'll apologize now for being a jerk. I just couldn't resist throwing this kind of, um, curb-ball!
Lol all good man.
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Lol all good man.
You're a good sport, Johnny. Thanks for taking that in the spirit intended.
And BTW, I agree with those who say there was nothing wrong with having started this post. The previous one had devolved into goofiness ... and I plead guilty for helping it get there.
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One of my buddies is a manager for the team and I talked to him yesterday.
He said typical protocol for visits like that is that the entire team (coaches, managers, players) plus the recruit and his family go to Wojo's house for lunch the day after the recruit sees campus, the Al, the Bradley Center.
As for Haanif, my buddy said he was really reserved (pretty typical for a recruit in a setting he's not familiar with) but that he seemed to really enjoy the visit in general and hit it off with the current guys on the team as the visit went on. Haanif commended MU for being very "family-oriented" in terms of close relationships and get-togethers like that at Wojo's place with everyone on the team involved. (Honestly, super refreshing to hear that because I was a student manager my freshman year under Buzz and that wasn't an impression any recruit would be under. Wojo has gone above and beyond to make every person in the program feel valuable. An actual quote from the guy who now works for Wojo as a manger: "I actually enjoy coming into work now. Wojo has changed pretty much everything")
In regards to Henry, and I know people here have sources that have indicated similar things, and Mark Miller tweeting positive things has been great as well, but my buddy said the staff is really confident in landing Henry. Not only because of Wally, but because of the familiarity with others too (Nick, being close to home, etc.) and his relationship with Wojo being maybe the biggest thing. So who knows, just wanted to pass along some things I'd heard. Both encouraging, and let's really hope these two guys commit. Couldn't ask for a better first few months if we land them. In Wojo We Trust.
Thanks for the great post. And also thanks to the OP, for starting a new thread that hopefully stays about Cheatham.
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One of my buddies is a manager for the team and I talked to him yesterday.
He said typical protocol for visits like that is that the entire team (coaches, managers, players) plus the recruit and his family go to Wojo's house for lunch the day after the recruit sees campus, the Al, the Bradley Center.
As for Haanif, my buddy said he was really reserved (pretty typical for a recruit in a setting he's not familiar with) but that he seemed to really enjoy the visit in general and hit it off with the current guys on the team as the visit went on. Haanif commended MU for being very "family-oriented" in terms of close relationships and get-togethers like that at Wojo's place with everyone on the team involved. (Honestly, super refreshing to hear that because I was a student manager my freshman year under Buzz and that wasn't an impression any recruit would be under. Wojo has gone above and beyond to make every person in the program feel valuable. An actual quote from the guy who now works for Wojo as a manger: "I actually enjoy coming into work now. Wojo has changed pretty much everything")
In regards to Henry, and I know people here have sources that have indicated similar things, and Mark Miller tweeting positive things has been great as well, but my buddy said the staff is really confident in landing Henry. Not only because of Wally, but because of the familiarity with others too (Nick, being close to home, etc.) and his relationship with Wojo being maybe the biggest thing. So who knows, just wanted to pass along some things I'd heard. Both encouraging, and let's really hope these two guys commit. Couldn't ask for a better first few months if we land them. In Wojo We Trust.
So what kind of shoes was he wearing?
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One of my buddies is a manager for the team and I talked to him yesterday.
He said typical protocol for visits like that is that the entire team (coaches, managers, players) plus the recruit and his family go to Wojo's house for lunch the day after the recruit sees campus, the Al, the Bradley Center.
As for Haanif, my buddy said he was really reserved (pretty typical for a recruit in a setting he's not familiar with) but that he seemed to really enjoy the visit in general and hit it off with the current guys on the team as the visit went on. Haanif commended MU for being very "family-oriented" in terms of close relationships and get-togethers like that at Wojo's place with everyone on the team involved. (Honestly, super refreshing to hear that because I was a student manager my freshman year under Buzz and that wasn't an impression any recruit would be under. Wojo has gone above and beyond to make every person in the program feel valuable. An actual quote from the guy who now works for Wojo as a manger: "I actually enjoy coming into work now. Wojo has changed pretty much everything")
In regards to Henry, and I know people here have sources that have indicated similar things, and Mark Miller tweeting positive things has been great as well, but my buddy said the staff is really confident in landing Henry. Not only because of Wally, but because of the familiarity with others too (Nick, being close to home, etc.) and his relationship with Wojo being maybe the biggest thing. So who knows, just wanted to pass along some things I'd heard. Both encouraging, and let's really hope these two guys commit. Couldn't ask for a better first few months if we land them. In Wojo We Trust.
Seriously, nice post.
Which team were you a student manager on?
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You guyz still ain't caught up with the curb.
Maybe there's a Hannif in addition to Haanif?
PS - if he commits to MU, I will try to drop by to a HS game or two of his this winter.
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You guyz still ain't caught up with the curb.
Maybe there's a Hannif in addition to Haanif?
PS - if he commits to MU, I will try to drop by to a HS game or two of his this winter.
My bad on the spelling I'll pay attention in spelling class
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One of my buddies is a manager for the team and I talked to him yesterday.
An actual quote from the guy who now works for Wojo as a manger: "I actually enjoy coming into work now. Wojo has changed pretty much everything")
The irony of this is that Bert made his humble origins as a student manager the foundational bedrock of his personal narrative. Looks like it is just so much more bull sh!t from another con artist. I hope that f ucking phony crashes and burns at VPI.
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Seriously, nice post.
Which team were you a student manager on?
I was a manager for most of the season my frosh year, which was the DJO/Jae team that lost to Florida in the Sweet 16.
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Admittedly there was some great information about shoes in it.
That's super!!
Put it in Superbar or wherever non-basketball topics belong.
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That's super!!
Put it in Superbar or wherever non-basketball topics belong.
I was hoping I didn't have to use teal there. Apparently I was wrong
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I was a manager for most of the season my frosh year, which was the DJO/Jae team that lost to Florida in the Sweet 16.
Is your friend your year as well? If so I know who it is!
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I was hoping I didn't have to use teal there. Apparently I was wrong
I guess that sometimes the obvious isn't so obvious to all.
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Teal not needed.
Seriously though......what shoes was he wearing?
Hahahahaha.
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My bad on the spelling I'll pay attention in spelling class
Speling was the only class I got an A in at Marqeutte!
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Teal not needed.
Seriously though......what shoes was he wearing?
Hahahahaha.
Fighting with the wife?
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(Honestly, super refreshing to hear that because I was a student manager my freshman year under Buzz and that wasn't an impression any recruit would be under. Wojo has gone above and beyond to make every person in the program feel valuable. An actual quote from the guy who now works for Wojo as a manger: "I actually enjoy coming into work now. Wojo has changed pretty much everything")
This feeling is not reserved only for the managers, it is universal over there. Not many people sad to see Bert and his act go bye bye (nor were they sad to see the previous guy go, either). I said that a few months ago when he left, as there was a giant collective sigh and internal celebration. More happy to hear you confirm about Wojo, as that has also been consistent with what I have heard. Hopefully that continues. It's easy to be that way before your first season, the stress can change people.
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This feeling is not reserved only for the managers, it is universal over there. Not many people sad to see Bert and his act go bye bye (nor were they sad to see the previous guy go, either). I said that a few months ago when he left, as there was a giant collective sigh and internal celebration. More happy to hear you confirm about Wojo, as that has also been consistent with what I have heard. Hopefully that continues. It's easy to be that way before your first season, the stress can change people.
I agree with everything you write here, but it is also important to remember that treating everyone nice doesn't correlate with winning. I have worked with a couple very successful coaches who are attention-seeking, needy, and drive everyone crazy. No doubt if they left a lot of people would be relieved on some level. But if the successor doesn't win, everyone would want those guys back.
I have also worked with coaches who are both. Hopefully Wojo can be one of those guys.
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Jeff Borzello predicted Marquette on 247 today.
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Jeff Borzello predicted Marquette on 247 today.
I'm hearing he's an MU commit. But who knows?
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I'm hearing he's an MU commit. But who knows?
Not enough confidence for a "#donedeal"?
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http://www.courtsidefilms.com/news_article/show/415725?referrer_id=1247205
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http://www.courtsidefilms.com/news_article/show/415725?referrer_id=1247205
Could be one of the great MU players ever - never misses a shot and can dunk the ball ;D
But..... the tape does show good shooting form and a quick 1st step.
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Could be one of the great MU players ever - never misses a shot and can dunk the ball ;D
But..... the tape does show good shooting form and a quick 1st step.
Only goes left though. That's my concern. Needs to learn to finish with his right.
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But..... the tape does show good shooting form and a quick 1st step.
Good frame, too. Todd Smith can do some work with him.
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Only goes left though. That's my concern. Needs to learn to finish with his right.
Not to just be a contrarian, but there were several instances in that video where he finished with his right hand. And had great ballhandling coming out of a spin move with his right hand. Were there tons of right hand finishes, certainly not, but how many times do you expect to see a right handed player finish with his left hand in a mix-tape...
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There were 4 out 5 times he went baseline going to his right.
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http://www.courtsidefilms.com/news_article/show/415725?referrer_id=1247205
If you watch this video and then listen to the interview(posted in other thread) it gives a very clear indication that this young man knows exactly what he is doing on the floor. He would be a very good recruit for us. Would be nice to get one that Georgetown wants.
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Nice couple of tweets to tide us over to Friday:
Marquette Hoops@MarquetteHoops·2 hrs
With @NickNoskowiak @HeldtMatt committed, #mubb could have #2 recruiting 2015 class in nation + @HENBA6 @H22_Cheatham http://247sports.com/Bolt/Marquette-on-verge-of-top-five-class-30625353 …
Nick Noskowiak@NickNoskowiak·2 hrs
@MarquetteHoops @HeldtMatt @HENBA6 @H22_Cheatham #Yessir #mubb
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Nice couple of tweets to tide us over to Friday:
Marquette Hoops@MarquetteHoops·2 hrs
With @NickNoskowiak @HeldtMatt committed, #mubb could have #2 recruiting 2015 class in nation + @HENBA6 @H22_Cheatham http://247sports.com/Bolt/Marquette-on-verge-of-top-five-class-30625353 …
Nick Noskowiak@NickNoskowiak·2 hrs
@MarquetteHoops @HeldtMatt @HENBA6 @H22_Cheatham #Yessir #mubb
This is the kind of inside information I like.
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What? No one used #donedeal??
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What? No one used #donedeal??
Source?
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Nice couple of tweets to tide us over to Friday:
Marquette Hoops@MarquetteHoops·2 hrs
With @NickNoskowiak @HeldtMatt committed, #mubb could have #2 recruiting 2015 class in nation + @HENBA6 @H22_Cheatham http://247sports.com/Bolt/Marquette-on-verge-of-top-five-class-30625353 …
Would like Jay bee's take on this.
I see no way we are #2 if we get cheatum and Ellenson. Probably top 5, but we won't beat Arizona, Louisville, or Duke. And we all know Kentucky always get their players.
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Would like Jay bee's take on this.
I see no way we are #2 if we get cheatum and Ellenson. Probably top 5, but we won't beat Arizona, Louisville, or Duke. And we all know Kentucky always get their players.
I'm pretty sure it just means we would have the #2 class as of right now if they both committed. I think this potential class will end up being in the 5-10 range when all is said and done.
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I'm pretty sure it just means we would have the #2 class as of right now if they both committed. I think this potential class will end up being in the 5-10 range when all is said and done.
That's what I figured, but I think we'd be #4 now - not #2. And Kentucky will be ahead of us at the end as well.
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That's what I figured, but I think we'd be #4 now - not #2. And Kentucky will be ahead of us at the end as well.
I just used the class calculator on 247sports because I was curious and we would be #2 with 50.03 points, only behind Arizona. I fully expect that Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, etc, would pass us. Looking at the past few years, 50.03 points would put us right about #9 at the end.
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Would like Jay bee's take on this.
I see no way we are #2 if we get cheatum and Ellenson. Probably top 5, but we won't beat Arizona, Louisville, or Duke. And we all know Kentucky always get their players.
Not close to #2 when all said and done. But good enough players to make us #2 or #1 in the nation in due time!
10-15? Maybe even a little better? Sure.
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We are also assuming that Haanif and Henry would be it. We are in on a couple of other top 100 players. Wojo may elect to oversign or players could decide to transfer or go pro.
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We are also assuming that Haanif and Cheathum would be it. We are in on a couple of other top 100 players. Wojo may elect to oversign or players could decide to transfer or go pro.
I hope we get more than Haanif and Cheathum.
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I hope we get more than Haanif and Cheathum.
God bless it. Editd
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Not close to #2 when all said and done. But good enough players to make us #2 or #1 in the nation in due time!
10-15? Maybe even a little better? Sure.
Classes that are in that range based on ESPN:
#14 2009: Cadougan #76, Maymon #79, Williams #95, Mbao, Buycks and DJO
#17 2010: Blue #31, Jones #53, Smith, Crowder, Gardner
#12 2013: Johnson #27, Wilson #53, Burtion #39, Dawson, and McKay
Now maybe it's just me but Heldt, #49 Noskowiak, #78Cheatham, and #5 Ellenson seem like they'd be loads better than all of those.
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Classes that are in that range based on ESPN:
#14 2009: Cadougan, Maymon, Williams, Mbao, Buycks and DJO
#17 2010: Blue, Jones, Smith, Crowder, Gardner
#12 2013: Johnson, Wilson, Burtion, Dawson
Now maybe it's just me but Heldt, Noskowiak, Cheatham, and Ellenson seem like they'd be loads better than all of those.
We got S-16, S-16, E8 out of those first two classes. May we land them both and Wojo be as successful.
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God bless it. Editd
;-)
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I hope we get more than Haanif and Cheathum.
Even if we get those 2, MU will have 13 scholarship players. Considering MU would have 4 Frosh, 3 Sophs (1 transfer, 1 redshirt), 5 juniors ( 2 who are transfers), I do not see any transfers except maybe one (Cohen), and why think him, from Wisconsin. So I see no one leaving at all. Signs those 2 and says good-night to the others he is tracking. I wonder the following year
when he only has 1 scholarship available and he already has Sam Hauser in his sight. All I know in 3 years a line-up of:
Fisher
Ellenson
Burton
Wilson
Cheatham or JJJ
Throw in some good back-ups, they should be really good. Now they all have to pan out and think about there rankings in High School but there improvement in College. Hope they can
play D, lots of offensive talent. Can they play together as well?? Big question marks.
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#17 2010: Blue #31, Jones #53, Smith, Crowder, Gardner
Interesting that the best two players in this class turned out to be the ones who weren't ranked coming out of high school.
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Same could be said for the year prior.
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We are also assuming that Haanif and Henry would be it. We are in on a couple of other top 100 players. Wojo may elect to oversign or players could decide to transfer or go pro.
Wouldn't that be somewhat of a bad idea due to the fact that if WOJO over signs hes basically telling someone they got to go. Is that bad or does it not really matter.
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Interesting that the best two players in this class turned out to be the ones who weren't ranked coming out of high school.
The two best players in that class were Crowder and Blue.
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Come on down Haanif, we need you, plus Milwaukee is a great city.
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The two best players in that class were Crowder and Blue.
For sure.
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often times those top rankings go to the larger classes. with a 4 man class of those 4 players i couldnot care less where the class is ranked. falling behind a 7 player class with say 3 top 100 kids is an abberation of the system
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Even if we get those 2, MU will have 13 scholarship players. Considering MU would have 4 Frosh, 3 Sophs (1 transfer, 1 redshirt), 5 juniors ( 2 who are transfers), I do not see any transfers except maybe one (Cohen), and why think him, from Wisconsin. So I see no one leaving at all. Signs those 2 and says good-night to the others he is tracking. I wonder the following year
when he only has 1 scholarship available and he already has Sam Hauser in his sight. All I know in 3 years a line-up of:
Fisher
Ellenson
Burton
Wilson
Cheatham or JJJ
Throw in some good back-ups, they should be really good. Now they all have to pan out and think about there rankings in High School but there improvement in College. Hope they can
play D, lots of offensive talent. Can they play together as well?? Big question marks.
Haanif and Cheathum are one and the same. Let's shoot for signing more than just him.
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For sure.
Well, maybe I gave Gardner the slight edge over Blue because he was at Marquette for 4 years and had a really nice senior season while Vander was off not playing in the NBA. But I wouldn't argue with anybody who would rank Blue ahead of Gardner.
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Wouldn't that be somewhat of a bad idea due to the fact that if WOJO over signs hes basically telling someone they got to go. Is that bad or does it not really matter.
Probably not the most ethical thing, but it is a fairly common practice.
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The two best players in that class were Crowder and Blue.
Really? Blue was a better college player in his 3 years, than was Gardner through 3 years..or even 4? Blue was awful as a freshman. Not much better as a sophomore. Improved mightily as a junior - yet side by side Junior year to Junior year - I'm hard pressed to say Vander Blue was a better player. Vander had some big moments as a junior for sure, yet given that he was so bad as a freshman/sophomore - it made his junior year seem better than it really was. As has been pointed out numerous times - his junior year was really no better than was Todd Mayo's last year. Here's Gardner and Blue side by side as Juniors:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=davante-gardner&davante-gardner=2012-2013&i=1&p1=vander-blue
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Really? Blue was a better college player in his 3 years, than was Gardner through 3 years..or even 4? Blue was awful as a freshman. Not much better as a sophomore. Improved mightily as a junior - yet side by side Junior year to Junior year - I'm hard pressed to say Vander Blue was a better player. Vander had some big moments as a junior for sure, yet given that he was so bad as a freshman/sophomore - it made his junior year seem better than it really was. As has been pointed out numerous times - his junior year was really no better than was Todd Mayo's last year. Here's Gardner and Blue side by side as Juniors:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=davante-gardner&davante-gardner=2012-2013&i=1&p1=vander-blue
You are completely ignoring the defensive side of the court again.
Regardless, I think it is pretty hard to compare the two of them. You have a defensive oriented perimeter player who had to improve a ton just to get to "decent" on the offensive end, versus a offensive oriented post player who was a weak defender.
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Do we know what time Hannif is expecting to announce tomorrow?
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Do we know what time Hannif is expecting to announce tomorrow?
2pm EST, at his high school in FL.
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Really? Blue was a better college player in his 3 years, than was Gardner through 3 years..or even 4?
I loved Gardner. He was a unique and highly efficient offensive specialist. But for most of his career he could only play limited minutes because he was so out of shape. And he was a bad defensive player, in part due to lack of quickness/athleticism/jumping ability, in part because he was so gassed he took time off on the defensive end. He had some games (he was awesome against Syracuse his junior year) where he was our MVP.
Blue wasn't ready for prime time as a freshman and our expectations of him were much too high. His sophomore season was uneven. But in his junior year he was the best player on BOTH ends of the court and undisputed MVP of a team that shared the Big East regular season championship and reached the Elite 8. And in the biggest games (St Johns, Davidson, Butler, etc.) he put us on his back and dragged us across the finish line.
Blue led us to our second best season in 37 years. Gardner was a very good offensive player who played limited minutes. No contest, IMO.
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Blue v. Gardner? I'd take Blue. Blue got his cup of coffee in the NBA. I don't think Gardner will ever get there. Avante doesn't have enough D ;D
I did really enjoy Gardner though. One of my all time favorites to watch.
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Is haanif a tweeter? Any recent tweets? Are mu supporters tweeting love?
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Nick NosKowiak has tweeted at him and about him coming to MU. Also included Henry Ellenson a few times. I'll admit I, a loser stalker but I love MU!
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If we land Haanif and Henry to add to Heldt and NN and I think we end up around 5 or 6 in the class rankings. Throw in Levin and big bro Ellenson and the class is as good as all but maybe Arizona and Kentucky and considering both those schools will lose guys to the NBA after one season, our group is potentially better long term.
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When on Friday is the announcement?
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2pm EST, at his high school in FL.
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4 more crystal ball predictions for Haanif to MU. These guys are just riding on the coattails of others. But when Jerry Meyer, Corey Evans, and Mark Miller all agree, I am usually optimistic
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Corey just told me that it is between MU and Cal. Would be suprised if it was Gtown.
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And Jerry is very confident it is MU. I am expecting it to be us at this point. Onto Henry....
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Corey just told me that it is between MU and Cal. Would be suprised if it was Gtown.
This is good because I fear GTWN more than I fear CAL. It is bad because if we can't have him, I'd rather he go to the Hoyas.
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Until the announcement, I am planning to hold my breath while hanging by my fingernails from a 27th-story window.
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Hmm choosing between Georgetown, Marquette, and Cal.
That sounds familiar:
http://youtu.be/RpnCkBZVI6o?t=26s (http://youtu.be/RpnCkBZVI6o?t=26s)
Hopefully the kid makes the right decision like the one in the commercial ;D
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2pm EST, at his high school in FL.
2 p.m. EDT.
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Hmm choosing between Georgetown, Marquette, and Cal.
That sounds familiar:
http://youtu.be/RpnCkBZVI6o?t=26s (http://youtu.be/RpnCkBZVI6o?t=26s)
Hopefully the kid makes the right decision like the one in the commercial ;D
He picked the wrong hat.
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Really? Blue was a better college player in his 3 years, than was Gardner through 3 years..or even 4? Blue was awful as a freshman. Not much better as a sophomore. Improved mightily as a junior - yet side by side Junior year to Junior year - I'm hard pressed to say Vander Blue was a better player. Vander had some big moments as a junior for sure, yet given that he was so bad as a freshman/sophomore - it made his junior year seem better than it really was. As has been pointed out numerous times - his junior year was really no better than was Todd Mayo's last year. Here's Gardner and Blue side by side as Juniors:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=davante-gardner&davante-gardner=2012-2013&i=1&p1=vander-blue
Again with the "Vander is awful" crap? Ugh.
We saw the definition of awful guards last season. Vander? He made a difference defensively and had some moments offensively his first two years.
He was poor offensively most of his freshman year, but that is pretty common. To say he didn't get much better as a sophomore is wrong. He improved his shooting percentages across the board to go along with 4.5 rebounds, more than a steal a game and usually defending the opponent's best perimeter player. He played 26 minutes per game for a Sweet 16 team - and thank goodness because your boy Mayo was a selfish jerk.
A whole lot of teams would take Blue's sophomore year. And we know what Vander did as a junior - he worked hard to become a much better offensive player on a team that had numerous options and he carried us to our biggest wins.
I don't know why you have such a "hate woody" (as willie would say) for Vander. His body of work for us was good. Not great, but good. A three-year starter on a team that went S16-S16-E8 and a player who worked hard to get better every year.
We should be lucky enough to have lots of "awful" players like Vander Blue.
BTW, unlike you, who rants against Blue constantly, this was my first strong defense of Vander. And I won't repeat it 500 times because that's not how I roll. You go ahead and keep calling him "awful," though.
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Again with the "Vander is awful" crap? Ugh.
We saw the definition of awful guards last season. Vander? He made a difference defensively and had some moments offensively his first two years.
He was poor offensively most of his freshman year, but that is pretty common. To say he didn't get much better as a sophomore is wrong. He improved his shooting percentages across the board to go along with 4.5 rebounds, more than a steal a game and usually defending the opponent's best perimeter player. He played 26 minutes per game for a Sweet 16 team - and thank goodness because your boy Mayo was a selfish jerk.
A whole lot of teams would take Blue's sophomore year. And we know what Vander did as a junior - he worked hard to become a much better offensive player on a team that had numerous options and he carried us to our biggest wins.
I don't know why you have such a "hate woody" (as willie would say) for Vander. His body of work for us was good. Not great, but good. A three-year starter on a team that went S16-S16-E8 and a player who worked hard to get better every year.
We should be lucky enough to have lots of "awful" players like Vander Blue.
BTW, unlike you, who rants against Blue constantly, this was my first strong defense of Vander. And I won't repeat it 500 times because that's not how I roll. You go ahead and keep calling him "awful," though.
He said he was "awful" as a freshman. And he was. Put me in the camp that Gardner was a better player than Vander. And I say that while thanking Blue for his heroic shots vs. St. John's and Davidson (games in which he played poorly) and his epic game against Butler.
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Two sides of the court. Vander played both well. Gardner played one.
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He said he was "awful" as a freshman. And he was. Put me in the camp that Gardner was a better player than Vander. And I say that while thanking Blue for his heroic shots vs. St. John's and Davidson (games in which he played poorly) and his epic game against Butler.
Oh come on. Davante Gardner a better basketball player than Vander Blue? Sorry, but that's silly.
He was a better low-post scorer (duh, he had 5 inches and 100 lbs on Vander). He could be a talented passer. He couldn't move, jump, rebound (unless it came right to him), run up and down the court or play even a lick of defense unless his guy had the ball and was trying to back him down. If he wasn't scoring, he let it affect the rest of his game and he wasn't doing much of anything else.
Davante was pretty much a one trick-pony...good thing for him that his one trick happens to align with what fans equate with being a good basketball player.
Vander was/was becoming very good at just about everything you can do in the game of basketball.
Vander will probably make an NBA roster again and hopefully will stick this time. Gardner I would say has no chance...watching him in Summer League made that pretty obvious.
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He had 2 inches and a hundred pounds on Vander, not 5. Gardner was a one-trick pony. We was a very efficient low block scorer. And there is nothing wrong with that. But he was not great on both ends, he was not a great rebounder (a fair % of his boards came off of his own miss), and he wasn't a leader. Blue played both ends of the floor, led, and wanted the ball at crunch time.
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Until the announcement, I am planning to hold my breath while hanging by my fingernails from a 27th-story window.
I'd hate to lose you. Think about picking up some of this on your way into work today.
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ZOMG! Today is 9/5!
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ZOMG! Today is 9/5!
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Gardner was an elite caliber offensive player at the college level. Vander Blue was not an elite defender, nor an elite offensive player at any point in his career. Finding an elite offensive player at this level is a hell of a lot harder than finding a really good defender. Yes, Blue was a better defender. Vander made great strides his Junior year and turned into a very good player.
I never said Vander was an awful player - other than his freshman year - he was given AMPLE opportunity to play - 20 minutes a game - and his production was poor. And his defense as a freshman? Okay, average maybe? Certainly not Jerel McNeal good. Here's Gardner and Blue as freshman.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=davante-gardner&davante-gardner=2010-2011&i=1&p1=vander-blue&vander-blue=2010-2011
And let's hope today is a good day for MU...come on down Hannif!
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Gardner was an elite caliber offensive player at the college level. Vander Blue was not an elite defender, nor an elite offensive player at any point in his career. Finding an elite offensive player at this level is a hell of a lot harder than finding a really good defender. Yes, Blue was a better defender. Vander made great strides his Junior year and turned into a very good player.
I never said Vander was an awful player - other than his freshman year - he was given AMPLE opportunity to play - 20 minutes a game - and his production was poor. And his defense as a freshman? Okay, average maybe? Certainly not Jerel McNeal good. Here's Gardner and Blue as freshman.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=davante-gardner&davante-gardner=2010-2011&i=1&p1=vander-blue&vander-blue=2010-2011
And let's hope today is a good day for MU...come on down Hannif!
Blue really only had one good year at MU, his freshman and soph year were below average for the ranking he came out of high school with. Then again most of these kids are over-hyped and
do not live up to there press clippings, ie. Brian Butch, McD's All-American. Blue made a couple big shots his junior year and had a few outstanding games, he needed another year in college. His improvement was impressive, but had a long way to go. Gardner offensively was very good, no D, no rebounding and seemed a little lazy. Wes Unseld body but not his game.
Worked on Offensive skills but did not want to rebound. Wes was a rebounding savant, like Dennis Rodman. Cheatham will be nice addition to the program, but needs to put on some weight
like Sandy Cohen. Will get a chance to play a little as a freshman but competition will be there. Will have time to grow into the program.
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Gardner was an elite caliber offensive player at the college level. Vander Blue was not an elite defender, nor an elite offensive player at any point in his career. Finding an elite offensive player at this level is a hell of a lot harder than finding a really good defender. Yes, Blue was a better defender. Vander made great strides his Junior year and turned into a very good player.
I never said Vander was an awful player - other than his freshman year - he was given AMPLE opportunity to play - 20 minutes a game - and his production was poor. And his defense as a freshman? Okay, average maybe? Certainly not Jerel McNeal good. Here's Gardner and Blue as freshman.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=davante-gardner&davante-gardner=2010-2011&i=1&p1=vander-blue&vander-blue=2010-2011
And let's hope today is a good day for MU...come on down Hannif!
First of all, I liked Gardner and I actually said that, based on his 4 years in the program (to Vander's 3), he probably was the "better" player. I don't want to slam Davante, but when your center pretty much only gets rebounds by accident, can't block a shot, can't defend 1-on-1 and can't make a dunk, we're not talking about an all-around player.
Second, in this comment, you say: "I never said Vander was an awful player - other than his freshman year ... "
Just a few comments earlier, however, you said: "Blue was awful as a freshman. Not much better as a sophomore."
I guess, technically, you "never" said Blue was awful, except as a freshman. But you did say he was "not much better" than awful as a sophomore, which of course isn't true.
I just don't understand what joy you get out of tearing down Blue at pretty much every opportunity. He was a valuable contributor to a S16-S16-E8 team, as was Davante. Is it impossible for you to make an argument for your case without completely trashing somebody?
Ners, you know I don't usually rip you. I do poke fun sometimes but I actually agree with you more times than not. I just wish you could find a way to make your points without being so over the top.
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Vander wasn't awful as a freshman. He was awful on the offensive side, but he was a better than average defender. No he wasn't McNeal good then...but he was a better defender than Jerel by the time he was a junior.
But as I said earlier, it is hard to compare two players with opposite strengths and weaknesses that play opposite positions. Marquette doesn't make last year's E8 without either one of them.
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Vander wasn't awful as a freshman. He was awful on the offensive side, but he was a better than average defender. No he wasn't McNeal good then...but he was a better defender than Jerel by the time he was a junior.
But as I said earlier, it is hard to compare two players with opposite strengths and weaknesses that play opposite positions. Marquette doesn't make last year's E8 without either one of them.
This is true.
I think an interesting hypothetical question regarding last year's team is:
Would the team have been better with Blue but without Gardner than it was without Blue but with Gardner?
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This is true.
I think an interesting hypothetical question regarding last year's team is:
Would the team have been better with Blue but without Gardner than it was without Blue but with Gardner?
I'm glad we didn't have to find out!
I'm also not a big fan of hypotheticals because there is no right or wrong answer but lots of folks think they know the right answer.
Having said all that ... last season's team had Gardner but no Blue. A lot more went into us biting the big one, but that fact is indisputable.
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I'm glad we didn't have to find out!
I'm also not a big fan of hypotheticals because there is no right or wrong answer but lots of folks think they know the right answer.
Having said all that ... last season's team had Gardner but no Blue. A lot more went into us biting the big one, but that fact is indisputable.
I don't generally like these types of "debates" either for exactly the reason you stated.
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we would have been way better last season with blue and not Gardner. Otule would have been serviceable with more PT. No question.
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Does anyone know if the announcement will be televised? Or on radio?
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Blue probably gets a lot of time at the point last year. Without Gar ner, maybe McKay sticks around.
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Blue probably gets a lot of time at the point last year. Without Gar ner, maybe McKay sticks around.
McKay would be playing a lot if he was here, how's he
Doin at isu
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Does anyone know if the announcement will be televised? Or on radio?
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/haanif-cheatham-college-commitment-day-september-5-358552
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http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/haanif-cheatham-college-commitment-day-september-5-358552
Getting to be a real soap opera, when a HS kid announcing his commitment to a college gets TV coverage.
Sort of like the Real Housewives of Anywhere.
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Getting to be a real soap opera, when a HS kid announcing his commitment to a college gets TV coverage.
Sort of like the Real Housewives of Anywhere.
It is a big event for the high school and the family. Technology makes a lot of things possible today. The kids at the school get to produce an event etc.
I can remember when I went to Earvin Johnsons press conference to announce where he would go to school. In those stone age times there were probably 100 press people and others in a high school auditorium and the local TV channels had their film teams there. It was fun .
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You call this TV coverage? I think it's just the new normal where it's very easy to "broadcast" anything on the Internet.
http://www.highschoolcube.com/future (http://www.highschoolcube.com/future)
I will now get off your lawn.
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Gardner was an elite caliber offensive player at the college level.
Not even close to elite. He was a good offensive player.
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What are there, 355 D1 teams? Ask those 355 coaches this question - if you were starting your program from scratch and your first pick had to be Blue or Gardner who would you take? The final score would be Blue 355, Gardner 0. No way any of them would take a one way, out of shape part time player over an all around guy who's a borderline NBA player. Not one.
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I know it doesn't mean anything until after 2PM but the crystal ball is now 100% Marquette.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Haanif-Cheatham-at-Pembroke-Pines-Charter-38899/CurrentExpertPredictions (http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Haanif-Cheatham-at-Pembroke-Pines-Charter-38899/CurrentExpertPredictions)
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What are there, 355 D1 teams? Ask those 355 coaches this question - if you were starting your program from scratch and your first pick had to be Blue or Gardner who would you take? The final score would be Blue 355, Gardner 0. No way any of them would take a one way, out of shape part time player over an all around guy who's a borderline NBA player. Not one.
I disagree. It is much more difficult to find a post player than it is an athletic guard. You are making it sound like Gardner was some scrub. How many game plans do you think revolved around stopping Blue...I would venture more teams were worried about stopping Gardner than Blue.
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I know it doesn't mean anything until after 2PM but the crystal ball is now 100% Marquette.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Haanif-Cheatham-at-Pembroke-Pines-Charter-38899/CurrentExpertPredictions (http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Haanif-Cheatham-at-Pembroke-Pines-Charter-38899/CurrentExpertPredictions)
Has a player ever been 100% 1 school on that site and NOT chosen the school he was predicted for?
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I disagree. It is much more difficult to find a post player than it is an athletic guard. You are making it sound like Gardner was some scrub. How many game plans do you think revolved around stopping Blue...I would venture more teams were worried about stopping Gardner than Blue.
And yet when we have "elite" big men we miss the NCAA and NIT, and when we have elite guards we make runs into the 2nd weekend of NCAA Tournaments. So I think the guard would go first.
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I believe ESPNU is covering George Campbell's announcement today of where he'll be playing football next season.
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http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/haanif-cheatham-college-commitment-day-september-5-358552
I've announced a few games on the cube.
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Has a player ever been 100% 1 school on that site and NOT chosen the school he was predicted for?
Rarely, but I know I've seen it.
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What are there, 355 D1 teams? Ask those 355 coaches this question - if you were starting your program from scratch and your first pick had to be Blue or Gardner who would you take? The final score would be Blue 355, Gardner 0. No way any of them would take a one way, out of shape part time player over an all around guy who's a borderline NBA player. Not one.
I don't think that is accurate at all. You have to evaluate character, maybe you want the kid for 4 years and not shorter, what does he provide on the defensive end, how much easier is it to find another guard that may not be as good but pretty close vs finding another post player that is pretty close.
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ZOMG IT'S 12:52!!!!
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My G'Town peeps at work say he's going to MU.
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Not even close to elite. He was a good offensive player.
I would say he had the potential to be an elite player. As everyone who has played basketball knows, when one person does better it makes it easier for everyone else.
Last season our offense was blatantly centered around feeding Gardner and when we had no perimeter pressure the other team's guards would rotate down and double him.
I honestly think Gardner would have had an amazing season for a team like UW last year. He would of feasted with all the shooters on that team. But, it is truly all hypothetical, I just found myself sympathizing for Davante when he got doubled and even triple teamed when no one on the roster could hit the wide open 3's.
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15 mins till announcement
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The table is set
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The table is set
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Deep breaths...
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Gardner was a 2 star recruit. I'd say he overachieved considerin' he never conditioned himself as a serious athlete would have.
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Our cap is missing! Everybody panic!!!!
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live feed of the announcement
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/haanif-cheatham-college-commitment-day-september-5-358552
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Our cap is missing! Everybody panic!!!!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwyYGwFIQAA1AXQ.jpg)
Cause he's wearing it in pics for the press covering the event. ::)
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I needed teal?
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live feed of the announcement
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/haanif-cheatham-college-commitment-day-september-5-358552
Stream not working :(
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This song on the stream is awesome. 10 more times!
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http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/haanif-cheatham-college-commitment-day-september-5-358552
Is anyone else watching the feed?
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This song on the stream is awesome. 10 more times!
This song is so generic it's actually pretty impressive.
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Is anyone else watching the feed?
Just started streaming for me
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Stream live now.
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The MU cap looks the most worn.
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it is working now
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MU cap looks least likely to actually fit his head
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He's wearing a purple shirt, TCU??
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would Wojo be there or would that seem 'too anxious/needy'?
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How long do these things typically take?
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Reminds me a lot of when I announced that I was going to Marquette.
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I think i see both Wojo and JT3 in the crowd
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would Wojo be there or would that seem 'too anxious/needy'?
Wojo's under the stands. Listen for floor slaps after the announcement, either good or bad.
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the MU hat looks like it's been worn.
hmmmm.
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Dude is well dressed. I like it.
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Which one at the table is he?
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someone sit on the MU cap the last few weeks?
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That Hoyas cap looks sharp. Makes me nervous.
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someone sit on the MU cap the last few weeks?
D-Wade
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Which one at the table is he?
This really made me laugh
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Is anyone's stream working on an iPhone. I can't get it
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I'm ready to not be the bridesmaid at one of these things.
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me neither
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This is the most anxious ive been in awhile.
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Takes an app
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Is he really going to stretch this out until 2?
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He looks so nervous - why do kids do this to themselves? Can't they just write a LeBron and submit it to
SI?
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Here we go
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Here we goooooooo
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Cal
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There's a bald guy running around there - looks like VT
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OK, so it's Hay-Neef. Right?
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Waiting...
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The mayor's there!! And he's not very funny.
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Did they say the second guy talking is the Mayor .... the Mayor????
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Heard Bob Wild in the back row jeering G-Town
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The mayor is soaking up the spotlight
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Up next is the city engineer to talk.
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At least the city is in good hands
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1st grade teacher next?
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I love the mayor's gold bracelet.
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Shut up lady
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Good to know I turned in to watch the mayor's re-election campaign...
::)
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this is ridiculous
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He had to ask the Mayor for permission??
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this is ridiculous
It's always ridiculous ... that is how these things work.
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Is this how these things typically go? I feel so guilty watching this
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I can't believe I am actually watching this. :-[
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If we don't land him, I'll blame this guy.
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Is the guy in a gray shirt walking around with a camera in the background wearing a MU cap?
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http://www.ppines.com/Index.aspx?NID=160
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If we don't land him, I'll blame this guy.
he looks a little old to be Hanif
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he looks a little old to be Hanif
He's the one pulling the strings. Hope Wojo made a campaign donation
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YES!!!
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One down! Welcome Hannif to Warrior Nation!
Wojo, go get Henry!
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MU!!
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Woot!
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YES!!!!
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My Man!!
Seems like a great kid
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Whoop!
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Almost as exciting as the Fappening.
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WOOOOT
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Outstanding!!!!
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at least it was worth the wait.
woo hoo
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Couldn't have the volume up at work, but I did smile when he reached all the way down to the MU hat.
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I would of felt so lame if I watched this and he ended up not picking us.
Awesome! Now lets get Henry!
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YES onto henry
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it's MU!
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YES! Welcome!
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Sweeeeeeeeet!!!!!!
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Up next is the city engineer to talk.
Did the garbage crew show up to give a speech yet?
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Almost as exciting as the Fappening.
WRONG.
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F**K Yeah
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And.......it is Marquetteee!!!!
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I knew it would be us since our hat was the closest one to his mom!
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He even said Marquette University in the correct order.
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Welcome to the family!
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I'm so happy I think I'll donate to the Mayor!!
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Welcome to Warrior Nation, Hannif!!!
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Welcome Haanif!
Now where's Stone Cold with the Wooderson?
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Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I feel like I should watch the whole thing. Is it OK to turn it off?
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He's wearing the MU hat - is it over?
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My Man!!
Seems like a great kid
Cause he picked MU? Duh.
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And MU it is. Welcome aboard!
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His mom looks like a WI native.
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His mom looks like a WI native.
Chippewa?
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It's over - hoping for big things for the kid.
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Welcome Hannif!!!!!!!!!
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Welcome to Marquette Mr. Cheatham!!!!!
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Welcome to the Marquette Family Haanif. You showed lots of class and poise. You are going to have a great education and career.
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I've got an idea... let's make mom jokes about a top 75 recruit who will be signing with us in two months. Idiots.
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I've got an idea... let's make mom jokes about a top 75 recruit who will be signing with us in two months. Idiots.
+1. Of course its people who never post here and come on and make such great contributions....
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Is Chicos suddenly squirming around in his chair because Wojo signed his first non-traditional?
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Welcome Haanif!!
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Great news an Haanif coming to MU. Congrats to Wojo and staff. Mighty impressive first recruiting class has me excited about the future under Wojo.!
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Is Chicos suddenly squirming around in his chair because Wojo signed his first non-traditional?
What is God's name is that supposed to mean? I squirm in my chair because of how Bert recruited, I have zero concerns about this young man. Welcome to MU.
Please Wades...I like you, don't start bathing in what Lenny bathes in of late.
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What is God's name is that supposed to mean? I squirm in my chair because of how Bert recruited, I have zero concerns about this young man. Welcome to MU.
Please Wades...I like you, don't start bathing in what Lenny bathes in of late.
Haha relax, I didn't think teal was necessary. I was just thinking about Heldt and how a year ago he would've been a better fit for Wisconsin than for Marquette, but this roster is changing. The type of players we will see are much different than those that we have seen with Buzz. Wojo has gotten Noskowiak, Heldt, Wally, Gabe, and Carlino to commit to playing for him, along with Cohen. A lot of "traditionals" in that group of players. I would argue Cheathum plays like a "traditional" as well. I don't have a problem with it.
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Haha relax, I didn't think teal was necessary. I was just thinking about Heldt and how a year ago he would've been a better fit for Wisconsin than for Marquette, but this roster is changing. The type of players we will see are much different than those that we have seen with Buzz. Wojo has gotten Noskowiak, Heldt, Wally, Gabe, and Carlino to commit to playing for him, along with Cohen. A lot of "traditionals" in that group of players. I would argue Cheathum plays like a "traditional" as well. I don't have a problem with it.
I imagine Chicos and most administrators are more concerned if they go to class and stay on the straight and narrow like "traditionals".
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Welcome Haanif. Ecstatic to have you with the Warriors!
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Haha relax, I didn't think teal was necessary. I was just thinking about Heldt and how a year ago he would've been a better fit for Wisconsin than for Marquette, but this roster is changing. The type of players we will see are much different than those that we have seen with Buzz. Wojo has gotten Noskowiak, Heldt, Wally, Gabe, and Carlino to commit to playing for him, along with Cohen. A lot of "traditionals" in that group of players. I would argue Cheathum plays like a "traditional" as well. I don't have a problem with it.
I figured it was a joke....should be an interesting team the next few years. In my view, you are exactly right...a lot of traditionals....kids that can play basketball first, athletes second. Shoot the ball, fundamental defense, etc, etc. Looking forward to it.
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Why, is the young man Jewish?
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Why, is the young man Jewish?
I thought he was a lawyer....from the firm Dewey, Cheatham and Howe.
Thank you, I'm here all week
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Why, is the young man Jewish?
Oy ... don't be stealin' my lines!
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Re-live the moment, y'all!
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/haanif-cheatham-college-commitment-day-september-5-358552
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Re-live the moment, y'all!
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/haanif-cheatham-college-commitment-day-september-5-358552
Makes my day everytime
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Hey Mods...
Change this title from HANNIF to HAANIF!
I know we're getting used to it but let's master it now instead of later!
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Hey Mods...
Change this title from HANNIF to HAANIF!
I know we're getting used to it but let's master it now instead of later!
My bad, fixed it.