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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: ChitownSpaceForRent on August 30, 2014, 10:28:50 AM
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I know it's a touchy one especially with the whole power 5 thing but I still enjoy some college football. Going to see Northwestern play in a few hours. Go Cats.
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Funny thing about northwestern games. I have seen so much Marquette appearl here. Shorts, t shirts, jerseys and even a flag in someone's tailgate truck.
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Notre Dame conspiracy theory: Brian Kelly thought last season would be a waste of Everett's time at ND and wanted his potential all-american QB to be there when he had more of "his" team and more talent around, so he got Everett kicked out of school and allowed him to be there later.
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Watching the Vadgers shat the bed is always good
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Went to the ND game (sorry Chili). Golson very good (but it was Rice).
Best part was Mrs. Legs and I sat next to a charming MU nursing student who was sporting her gold MU t-shirt to go along with my blue MU hat. Other than the few Rice fans in attendance, I think we were the only two without ND gear. Small signs of rebellion.
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Went to the ND game (sorry Chili). Golson very good (but it was Rice).
Best part was Mrs. Legs and I sat next to a charming MU nursing student who was sporting her gold MU t-shirt to go along with my blue MU hat. Other than the few Rice fans in attendance, I think we were the only two without ND gear. Small signs of rebellion assimilation.
FIFY.
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I know it's a touchy one especially with the whole power 5 thing but I still enjoy some college football. Going to see Northwestern play in a few hours. Go Cats.
While the power 5 thing is touchy, I love college football. 12 plus hours of me watching on every Saturday!
As for the Cats, there is problem with that program. Don't know if the players are tuning out the coaches. I would have that they would've had a bigger crowd. I think NIU will beat Northwestern on Saturday.
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While the power 5 thing is touchy, I love college football. 12 plus hours of me watching on every Saturday!
As for the Cats, there is problem with that program. Don't know if the players are tuning out the coaches. I would have that they would've had a bigger crowd. I think NIU will beat Northwestern on Saturday.
Now that games are running 3 1/2 - 4 hours, I don't care anymore. Not worth the investment of time.
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Went to the ND game (sorry Chili). Golson very good (but it was Rice).
Hey, Rice was a bowl team last year and is picked by many to make another one this season. It's sad to see that this Saturday night will be the final time ND plays Michigan. 6:30 on NBC.
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Now that games are running 3 1/2 - 4 hours, I don't care anymore. Not worth the investment of time.
The games are getting long. The NFL is turning into 3 1/2 hour games. I hope you feel the same about the NFL and MLB as those games are way too long. Really the case in MLB. It doesn't matter to me on Saturday's as you can always flip around to different network as there is always 7 to 11 games on at once on TV.
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While the power 5 thing is touchy, I love college football. 12 plus hours of me watching on every Saturday!
As for the Cats, there is problem with that program. Don't know if the players are tuning out the coaches. I would have that they would've had a bigger crowd. I think NIU will beat Northwestern on Saturday.
They had trouble stopping pretty much everyone last year. And the same thing happened again on Saturday. This is the same defensive coordinator that Wisconsin fired a few years back.
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They had trouble stopping pretty much everyone last year. And the same thing happened again on Saturday. This is the same defensive coordinator that Wisconsin fired a few years back.
There offense was slow to get going against a very poor defense last year in Cal who had one win last year and it was against a FCS school.
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The games are getting long. The NFL is turning into 3 1/2 hour games. I hope you feel the same about the NFL and MLB as those games are way too long. Really the case in MLB. It doesn't matter to me on Saturday's as you can always flip around to different network as there is always 7 to 11 games on at once on TV.
As a diehard MLB fan, I go into each game knowing there is no clock and that is the point. I never understand how people that are baseball fans can complain about the time when that is part of the core of the game itself. There is no constraint of time.
On Sunday night, you can watch an entire NFL game on Directv Sunday Ticket in about 24 minutes. Not miss a single play. Part of the reason the games are longer is due to the $$$$$. The rights fees that are paid for games are insane, and the broadcasters that pay the fees have to recoup their $$$. That means more ad insertions.
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There offense was slow to get going against a very poor defense last year in Cal who had one win last year and it was against a FCS school.
Simeon looked awful. His receivers were open all day and he couldn't hit them. Rotating 3 RBs didn't help either. They just need to let Green get in a groove. Fitz is in trouble if things don't pan out.
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Is it college football season again? Didn't we just have one last year? Why not have a world cup every year and college football every 4th year?
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Is it college football season again? Didn't we just have one last year? Why not have a world cup every year and college football every 4th year?
Better yet, cancel both
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Better yet, cancel both
Ah yes. Wade's tradition of going into threads with subjects he doesn't like and trashing the subject matter.
You are SOOOOO cool.
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Ah yes. Wade's tradition of going into threads with subjects he doesn't like and trashing the subject matter.
You are SOOOOO cool.
Thanks brotha.
Nothing to say about Tower doing the same thing right above me, which I even quoted. But hey that's cool.
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Thanks brotha.
Nothing to say about Tower doing the same thing right above me, which I even quoted. But hey that's cool.
No because you do it often. He doesn't. Otherwise I wouldn't have used the word "tradition."
Seriously, why is it so difficult for you to stay out of subjects that people obviously care about, but you don't? I find fishing deathly boring, but do I trash fishing in the Scoop fishing thread? I have no desire to play Clash of Clans, but do I trash it in that thread?
We get it. You don't like college football. Do you think we care that you don't? Do you think that would somehow change our opinion? NOPE!!
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No because you do it often. He doesn't. Otherwise I wouldn't have used the word "tradition."
Seriously, why is it so difficult for you to stay out of subjects that people obviously care about, but you don't? I find fishing deathly boring, but do I trash fishing in the Scoop fishing thread? I have no desire to play Clash of Clans, but do I trash it in that thread?
We get it. You don't like college football. Do you think we care that you don't? Do you think that would somehow change our opinion? NOPE!!
You are a better man than me, Sultan.
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Agree about Fitz being in trouble if he can't get it going this season. Simeon played as expected, no better no worse. Receivers dropped some catches, some poor play calling (looked like Fitz testing runners/blockers more than making appropriate calls). Cats got going in the second half but defense was a disappointment throughout. For an award-winning defensive player Fitz doesn't have a stand-out defensive back (maybe Chichi) this year. Kicking team sucks big time. No punter, poor placekicker. Sure miss Budzien from Hartland.
I was in my usual seats, don't know how many more games I can make this season as lots of travel conflicts. Might have to sell some good tickets.
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As a diehard MLB fan, I go into each game knowing there is no clock and that is the point. I never understand how people that are baseball fans can complain about the time when that is part of the core of the game itself. There is no constraint of time.
On Sunday night, you can watch an entire NFL game on Directv Sunday Ticket in about 24 minutes. Not miss a single play. Part of the reason the games are longer is due to the $$$$$. The rights fees that are paid for games are insane, and the broadcasters that pay the fees have to recoup their $$$. That means more ad insertions.
The other 36 minutes is dead time; that is why basketball is so much more fun to play and watch. Even when the clock is stopped for free throws you are still on edge especially near the end of the game. As for MLB there is always something going on; even when the batter calls time as he is trying to break the pitchers rhythm; or if the defense shifts to the right or left to expose a hitters weakness. For me baseball is just as much a mental game as physical. A no hitter or perfect game is just as exciting as a 17 to 15 slugfest. And of all the sports baseball is the most difficult.
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The other 36 minutes is dead time; that is why basketball is so much more fun to play and watch. Even when the clock is stopped for free throws you are still on edge especially near the end of the game. As for MLB there is always something going on; even when the batter calls time as he is trying to break the pitchers rhythm; or if the defense shifts to the right or left to expose a hitters weakness. For me baseball is just as much a mental game as physical. A no hitter or perfect game is just as exciting as a 17 to 15 slugfest. And of all the sports baseball is the most difficult.
Football is the perfect television sport. I find it painful to be there in person without some heavy alcoholic beverages if the game doesn't "mean something" (i.e. Super Bowl, BCS, etc). So much farting around, grab ass, etc. I get it, I played football, but one never appreciates the wasted time until they are at the game with the huddles, the timeouts, the media timeouts. That doesn't mean there are great moments in a football game in person that I don't get excited about...I do, but when you think about the actual action on the field compared to non-action, it is pretty eye opening.
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We still gonna pretend the big ten is not overrated as a conference at football?
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We still gonna pretend the big ten is not overrated as a conference at football?
ND handling UM right now.
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We still gonna pretend the big ten is not overrated as a conference at football?
I don't think so....who is saying they are good? To be overrated you have to be rated highly as a conference, which they really aren't. SEC and Pac 12 remain the class of college football. Big Ten is around 5th.
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BIG TEN collapse today Mich ST. Ohio st, talk about blowing your Out of confrence games.
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Simeon looked awful. His receivers were open all day and he couldn't hit them. Rotating 3 RBs didn't help either. They just need to let Green get in a groove. Fitz is in trouble if things don't pan out.
The 'Cats look like a 3-win team.
I thought the first couple of years with Hankwitz as D-coordinator, he had the 'Cats playing much better defense. But, the unit has really regressed the past two years. A change needs to be made there.
However, what really is puzzling is how the 'Cats have completely lost their identity on offense. Siemian just doesn't fit. He can't run and holds the ball. The offense is designed to have the qb as a running threat and the passing game to be quick, high percentage passes. Time to give Oliver a look.
Also, it would be nice if Fitz could recruit a running back. Other than one year of Mark (a converted wr), that position has been a wasteland under him. Really, really poor recruiting at the position.
To be honest, I think Fitz is an empty suit, or in case of a football coach, sweats. He certainly looks, talks and acts the part, but take a deeper look. Game management, poor. Special teams, the unit he directly coordinates, god-awful (every season). And, lately, issues within the locker room and questions about team morale. Frankly, it was the hiring of McCall and Hankwitz in '08 that got the program moving in the Fitz era.
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I believe this drags down the B1?'s OOC schedule strength to the point that even if one of the teams runs the table the rest of the way, it will be a long shot to make the playoff.
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We still gonna pretend the big ten is not overrated as a conference at football?
Who thought they were rated high? The conference has had serious, fundamental flaws on how it approaches football for years and this is the chickens coming home to roost.
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Who thought they were rated high? The conference has had serious, fundamental flaws on how it approaches football for years and this is the chickens coming home to roost.
The B10 has moved on from 3 yards and a cloud of dust..... to where other schools were 10-15 years ago.
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The 'Cats look like a 3-win team.
I thought the first couple of years with Hankwitz as D-coordinator, he had the 'Cats playing much better defense. But, the unit has really regressed the past two years. A change needs to be made there.
However, what really is puzzling is how the 'Cats have completely lost their identity on offense. Siemian just doesn't fit. He can't run and holds the ball. The offense is designed to have the qb as a running threat and the passing game to be quick, high percentage passes. Time to give Oliver a look.
Also, it would be nice if Fitz could recruit a running back. Other than one year of Mark (a converted wr), that position has been a wasteland under him. Really, really poor recruiting at the position.
To be honest, I think Fitz is an empty suit, or in case of a football coach, sweats. He certainly looks, talks and acts the part, but take a deeper look. Game management, poor. Special teams, the unit he directly coordinates, god-awful (every season). And, lately, issues within the locker room and questions about team morale. Frankly, it was the hiring of McCall and Hankwitz in '08 that got the program moving in the Fitz era.
This is what happens to a team that attempts to unionize. :P
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The 'Cats look like a 3-win team.
I thought the first couple of years with Hankwitz as D-coordinator, he had the 'Cats playing much better defense. But, the unit has really regressed the past two years. A change needs to be made there.
However, what really is puzzling is how the 'Cats have completely lost their identity on offense. Siemian just doesn't fit. He can't run and holds the ball. The offense is designed to have the qb as a running threat and the passing game to be quick, high percentage passes. Time to give Oliver a look.
Also, it would be nice if Fitz could recruit a running back. Other than one year of Mark (a converted wr), that position has been a wasteland under him. Really, really poor recruiting at the position.
To be honest, I think Fitz is an empty suit, or in case of a football coach, sweats. He certainly looks, talks and acts the part, but take a deeper look. Game management, poor. Special teams, the unit he directly coordinates, god-awful (every season). And, lately, issues within the locker room and questions about team morale. Frankly, it was the hiring of McCall and Hankwitz in '08 that got the program moving in the Fitz era.
Yeaaa. The only thing I disagree with is that I really like Justin Jackson.
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http://www.sportspickle.com/2014/09/ncaa-agrees-pay-athletes-except-big-ten-football-players
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11484038/jim-delany-disappointed-big-ten-showing-saturday
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Thoughts on Emmert/NCAA lifting all the sanctions at Penn St?
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Now that games are running 3 1/2 - 4 hours, I don't care anymore. Not worth the investment of time.
the games run 4 hours because the IBFP Union Contract stipulates that the players get a guaranteed minimum of a 4 hour workday
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Jameis Winston is not a smart man...
https://twitter.com/jppalmCBS/status/513480018618368000
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Jameis Winston is not a smart man...
https://twitter.com/jppalmCBS/status/513480018618368000
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Congrats to TAMU and the Aggies. Nice job in the last 2 minutes, and OT.
I think Keefe is going to jump off a building tonight.
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Congrats to TAMU and the Aggies. Nice job in the last 2 minutes, and OT.
Bielema has that Arkansas program headed in the right direction though. The SEC is really head and shoulders above the rest of college football.
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Congrats to TAMU and the Aggies. Nice job in the last 2 minutes, and OT.
I think Keefe is going to jump off a building tonight.
Did Keefe's dad believe in the moon landing?
-Sultan
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Congrats to TAMU and the Aggies. Nice job in the last 2 minutes, and OT.
I think Keefe is going to jump off a building tonight.
Thank you sir. It was a great game for sure. Despite being down two touchdowns in the 4th, there was this odd calm I had that we were never in danger of losing. We got ourselves into that position with some key drops. Knew those would go away when it mattered.
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Congrats to TAMU and the Aggies. Nice job in the last 2 minutes, and OT.
I think Keefe is going to jump off a building tonight.
Little Brown Jug...Good Lord. First a year of Bert and now the meltdown in Ann Arbor...
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Little Brown Jug...Good Lord. First a year of Bert and now the meltdown in Ann Arbor...
First time in its 135 year history that Michigan has had three losses by the end of September.
Thought you might like this read keefe.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/road-saturday/201409/michigan-wolverines-football-dave-brandon-tickets-problems-corporate
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First time in its 135 year history that Michigan has had three losses by the end of September.
Thought you might like this read keefe.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/road-saturday/201409/michigan-wolverines-football-dave-brandon-tickets-problems-corporate
Even Northwestern hasn't managed to lose 3 yet.
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First time in its 135 year history that Michigan has had three losses by the end of September.
Thought you might like this read keefe.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/road-saturday/201409/michigan-wolverines-football-dave-brandon-tickets-problems-corporate
Hat sigh has already started packing.
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First time in its 135 year history that Michigan has had three losses by the end of September.
Thought you might like this read keefe.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/road-saturday/201409/michigan-wolverines-football-dave-brandon-tickets-problems-corporate
Absolutely scathing commentary by Bacon. And for the record - the author has impeccable Wolverine credentials so the poignancy of his pathos will not be lost on the Michigan faithful. Hiring Brandon was an intriguing decision that raised eyebrows but was cautiously applauded for its audacity. His tenure has proven that there is a profound difference between peddling a commodity and stewarding a patrician pedigree. He doesn't seem to fathom that one cannot inveigle without lessening the intrinsic value.
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Little Brown Jug...Good Lord. First a year of Bert and now the meltdown in Ann Arbor...
Welcome back Keefe
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Absolutely scathing commentary by Bacon. And for the record - the author has impeccable Wolverine credentials so the poignancy of his pathos will not be lost on the Michigan faithful. Hiring Brandon was an intriguing decision that raised eyebrows but was cautiously applauded for its audacity. His tenure has proven that there is a profound difference between peddling a commodity and stewarding a patrician pedigree. He doesn't seem to fathom that one cannot inveigle without lessening the intrinsic value.
If Jim Harbaugh becomes your coach, do you have a plan? What are you going to do Colonel? What are you going to do?
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If Jim Harbaugh becomes your coach, do you have a plan? What are you going to do Colonel? What are you going to do?
I know it's vogue to project Jim Harbaugh to Michigan in 2015 but I don't see him leaving the NFL or Michigan offering. It would be somewhat more likely that John would get an offer and that he would accept. While hiring Jim would be problematic having John take over would be welcomed, I should think.
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I have to mention this story in the Scoop college football thread - the 100th anniversary of the Yale Bowl was celebrated over the weekend with Yale hosting Army and incredibly pulling the upset. (Army missed a field goal at the end of regulation and another one in OT.) Yale spent 10 years working to get Army their longtime rival, whom they haven't played in 30 years, to come in and play to mark the occasion.
Army paratroopers dropped out of a helicopter into the stadium before the game.
* When it was built in 1914, it was the largest athletic facility built since the Coliseum in Rome.
* It was also the first football venue built with seating completely surrounding the field.
* The University of Michigan copied the Yale Bowl exactly, when they made "The Big House". They later added a second deck.
* It was the first facility built to be named Bowl, which of course has been borrowed by all of college football for post-season games as well as the NFL.
For the first time in 20+ years, I actually went to a college football game and managed to squeak in some tailgating to boot.
And the cadets were great. Completely into the game the entire time. Beforehand, they gathered and marched into the game in formation through the Walter Camp gate.
Yale stuns Army 49-43 in overtime at Yale Bowl
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20140927/yale-stuns-army-49-43-in-overtime-at-yale-bowl
Yale Bowl, Class of 1954 Field
http://www.yalebulldogs.com/information/facilities/yale_bowl/index
The historic Yale Bowl, with its Class of 1954 Field, is one of the true treasures in American sports and celebrates its 100th birthday in 2014. It was the largest athletic stadium in the world and the first football venue with seating completely surrounding the field when it opened on Nov. 21, 1914, for a game against Harvard.
The famous Bowl has been a college football landmark ever since, while also hosting National Football League Games, international soccer, lacrosse, tennis, concerts, TV advertisements, movies and the 1995 Special Olympic World Games.
The Bowl is 930 feet long and 750 feet wide and covers 12.5 acres. Its current seating capacity is 61,446 (it was 70,869 before alterations in 1994 and 2006), and every seat has an unobstructed view of the playing field. The original seating capacity was 60,617 with an undetermined amount of standing room and space to include temporary bleachers.
There have been crowds of over 70,000 on 20 occasions, the most recent on Nov. 19, 1983, for the 100th playing of The Game. The largest crowd to attend a Yale game at the Bowl was 80,000 for Army on Nov. 3, 1923. The 75,300 at the 1981 Yale-Harvard contest was the largest at a sporting event in New England in more than 50 years.
The NFL's New York Giants and Detroit Lions brought professional football to the Bowl for the first time in the summer of 1960. The Giants, who played the New York Jets in a number of memorable exhibition contests during the 70's, used the Bowl as their home field in 1973 and 1974 while Yankee Stadium was renovated.
The design for the Yale Bowl was proposed by Charles A. Ferry, Class of 1871, as a replacement for Yale Field, the 33,000-seat home of the football team from 1884 to 1914. The cost of the final product was $750,000.
Two additions to the legendary Bowl were dedicated during the 2009 season. The Kenney Center, named after four members of the Kenney family - former Yale football players Jerry P. ’63, Brian R. '60, Robert D. '67, Richard L. '71 and Jeffrey S. '93 - is a three-story building attached to the Bowl that houses team rooms and a reception area that opens up to the inside of the Bowl. Jensen Plaza, named after Irving '54, Colin '57, Erik '63 and Mark Jensen '67, includes the names of every Yale football player since 1872 and serves as the grand entrance.
The Sporting News selected the Bowl as one of the 40 best college football stadiums in its book, “Saturday Shrines.” ESPN.com’s list of America’s 100 most important sports venues also included the home of Yale Football.
The playing field, which honors the gifts from the Class of 1954, hosted its 600th collegiate football game on Nov. 23, 2014, when the Elis played Harvard.
The original “Bowl” has never lost its allure or mythical status.
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I know it's vogue to project Jim Harbaugh to Michigan in 2015 but I don't see him leaving the NFL or Michigan offering. It would be somewhat more likely that John would get an offer and that he would accept. While hiring Jim would be problematic having John take over would be welcomed, I should think.
Not sure why John is getting the speculation. I get that he grew up there when Jack was coaching there, but he has nowhere near the connection to Michigan, or CFB in general, that Jim does. And John always impressed me as a guy who had NFL goals and aspirations and will stay up in the big leagues.
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Not sure why John is getting the speculation. I get that he grew up there when Jack was coaching there, but he has nowhere near the connection to Michigan, or CFB in general, that Jim does. And John always impressed me as a guy who had NFL goals and aspirations and will stay up in the big leagues.
I think John is getting the speculation because he is more likely to leave the NFL for college than Jim and his personality is much more collegial than his brother's. John is on record saying he would take the Michigan job. I think he was graduated from Pioneer High as his father was a long time assistant to St. Glenn.
The Michigan alumni network is livid right now and I really doubt Brandon and Hoke make it to New Year's Day - unless Michigan wins the Rose Bowl that afternoon.
There was a great line in the Bacon article Sultan linked that described Michigan fans,
"No fans are more passionate -- or more myopic. If their school wins a few games, they believe they'll never lose again. And if they lose a couple, the situation is hopeless."
I really thought he was writing about Scoop behavior during the Marquette season.
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I think John is getting the speculation because he is more likely to leave the NFL for college than Jim and his personality is much more collegial than his brother's. John is on record saying he would take the Michigan job. I think he was graduated from Pioneer High as his father was a long time assistant to St. Glenn.
The Michigan alumni network is livid right now and I really doubt Brandon and Hoke make it to New Year's Day - unless Michigan wins the Rose Bowl that afternoon.
There was a great line in the Bacon article Sultan linked that described Michigan fans,
"No fans are more passionate -- or more myopic. If their school wins a few games, they believe they'll never lose again. And if they lose a couple, the situation is hopeless."
I really thought he was writing about Scoop behavior during the Marquette season.
Great thing about Bacon's article was that is was written before this weekend.
Also it is absolutely a trend in college football(basketball to a lesser extent) that the fans are just not following with where the leadership wants to go. There is a recurring meme on the Penn State board I follow about the pink iPod that controls the music at Beaver stadium with a lot of grousing about the band being left out. Both the NFL and college football need to realize that they are on the precipice of significant change if they are not careful. The money train will not roll on forever.
Keefe, side question, does the Shane Morris concussion issue bloom into a full debacle for Hoke or does it get overlooked in the general turd dumpery that was the loss of the jug this weekend? I thought Hoke's presser might have sealed his fate...."yeah I didn't know what was going on with him"
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Keefe, side question, does the Shane Morris concussion issue bloom into a full debacle for Hoke or does it get overlooked in the general turd dumpery that was the loss of the jug this weekend? I thought Hoke's presser might have sealed his fate...."yeah I didn't know what was going on with him"
As you might have guessed, many in Blue Nation are jumping on the Morris issue as yet more fuel for an already raging bonfire. Hoke's comment was boneheaded but is very much secondary to the overall lack of success on the field.
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As you might have guessed, many in Blue Nation are jumping on the Morris issue as yet more fuel for an already raging bonfire. Hoke's comment was boneheaded but is very much secondary to the overall lack of success on the field.
This was an interesting read on the injury issue.
http://mgoblog.com/content/not-michigan
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This was an interesting read on the injury issue.
http://mgoblog.com/content/not-michigan
Yea, I read that this am. I was too ashamed to post the link, actually. Say what you will about Canham, Bo and Carr - they were SOBs but they did things the right way. What's going on in A2 today is a betrayal.
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Yea, I read that this am. I was too ashamed to post the link, actually. Say what you will about Canham, Bo and Carr - they were SOBs but they did things the right way. What's going on in A2 today is a betrayal.
Surprised that you haven't posted about the similarities between Hoke and Crean. Not succeeding at a storied program, clapping ineffectually from the bench, poor in-game adjustments, blaming other for failure, recruiting classes that don't pan out or get worse........ You could have some real fun with this.
(Now where did I leave my popcorn?)
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Hoke is a dead ringer for Jeff Garland, Larry David's friend and agent on Curb Your Enthusiasm. He was very good on that show, but his foul mouthed wife was an hilarious scene stealer.
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I don't care if NU loses the rest of their games so long as they dismantle wisconsin on saturday.
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Is there anyone who doesn't like Pat Fitzgerald and his coachin' style?
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I don't care if NU loses the rest of their games so long as they dismantle wisconsin on saturday.
UW isn't very good. Average defense and terrible QB. Maybe 7-5 only because of Gordon and easy schedule.
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1, 2, 3, 4 all lose this weekend
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1, 2, 3, 4 all lose this weekend
No matter which ranking you're using, pretty sure Florida state won.
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I don't care if NU loses the rest of their games so long as they dismantle wisconsin on saturday.
The Cats did me proud today but they still have ND and Illinois on the schedule.
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No matter which ranking you're using, pretty sure Florida state won.
Coaches poll had Alabama #1, but you are correct.....should have stated depending on what rankings one uses, 1 thru 4 lost today (representing 3 teams)....the irony to me is FSU appears to be the most overrated of the bunch other than Oregon
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Coaches poll had Alabama #1, but you are correct.....should have stated depending on what rankings one uses, 1 thru 4 lost today (representing 3 teams)....the irony to me is FSU appears to be the most overrated of the bunch other than Oregon
I'm really not trying to argue here, I legitimately don't understand what you're saying... Are you saying the top 4 teams in the coaches poll lost today? Or are you saying, between multiple polls, the top 4 teams lost today?
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I'm really not trying to argue here, I legitimately don't understand what you're saying... Are you saying the top 4 teams in the coaches poll lost today? Or are you saying, between multiple polls, the top 4 teams lost today?
He is saying "I am Chicos, and therefore I NEVER [wait for Chicos linking to several threads where he does admit that he was wrong, so I should not use NEVER] simply admit that I am wrong about anything, even a simple, inadvertent and understandable misstatement."
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He is saying "I am Chicos, and therefore I NEVER [wait for Chicos linking to several threads where he does admit that he was wrong, so I should not use NEVER] simply admit that I am wrong about anything, even a simple, inadvertent and understandable misstatement."
Legs...I was wrong
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What a great day! College football is the greatest sport, good luck matching that drama NFL. :D
2:30 games had high drama with Stanford-ND on NBC, Roll Tide-Hotty Toddy on CBS and Gus Johnson on Fox with TCU and Bommer Sonner.
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What a great day! College football is the greatest sport, good luck matching that drama NFL. :D
2:30 games had high drama with Stanford-ND on NBC, Roll Tide-Hotty Toddy on CBS and Gus Johnson on Fox with TCU and Bommer Sonner.
Haha! Drama NFL, there's none of the same issues in college football I guess. At least in the NFL a champion is determined on the field and not by some computers. Can you imagine having a split Super Bowl champion? What a joke.
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Keep up. The college football champion will not be "determined...by some computers."
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Keep up. The college football champion will not be "determined...by some computers."
Except it will be and it has been. 4 teams get into the playoffs. That doesn't even put the best team from each major conference in contention for a National Title. Not to mention what about a "mid major" that beats somebody from a "Power 6" conference in non-conference and goes undefeated? No chance they're getting a shot at a National Title.
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Except it will be and it has been. 4 teams get into the playoffs. That doesn't even put the best team from each major conference in contention for a National Title. Not to mention what about a "mid major" that beats somebody from a "Power 6" conference in non-conference and goes undefeated? No chance they're getting a shot at a National Title.
Whatever. Your initial statement was simply wrong. It isn't being determined by a computer, unless you are saying computer-based rankings will be used by the committee. But of course that is the same as the basketball tournament. And many other tournaments run by the NCAA.
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Whatever. Your initial statement was simply wrong. It isn't being determined by a computer, unless you are saying computer-based rankings will be used by the committee. But of course that is the same as the basketball tournament. And many other tournaments run by the NCAA.
Okay my apologies. Computers don't solely determine a National Champion in football. But there will be years where undefeated teams will be left out of contention, years where 4 power conference teams aren't even represented in the "Playoff," etc. etc. etc. It is an entirely flawed system and it has been for a long, long time.
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It's improving. Regardless, that wasn't what mupanther was talking about.
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Legs...I was wrong
Ok--Happily, I will NEVER say that you never admit that you're wrong! :)
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Weird poll...
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11647045/mississippi-rebels-mississippi-state-bulldogs-tied-third-associated-press-college-football-poll
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Okay my apologies. Computers don't solely determine a National Champion in football. But there will be years where undefeated teams will be left out of contention, years where 4 power conference teams aren't even represented in the "Playoff," etc. etc. etc. It is an entirely flawed system and it has been for a long, long time.
Agreed. After losing to Mississippi State on Saturday, the general consensus in Aggieland is that our season is basically over. It would take a miracle to get back to the top 4 in the Murderer's row that is the SEC West. Say all you want about bowl games, but knowing that you are most likely not gonna get a shot at a national championship because of one "good" loss on the road...it sucks the life out of a season.
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Agreed. After losing to Mississippi State on Saturday, the general consensus in Aggieland is that our season is basically over. It would take a miracle to get back to the top 4 in the Murderer's row that is the SEC West. Say all you want about bowl games, but knowing that you are most likely not gonna get a shot at a national championship because of one "good" loss on the road...it sucks the life out of a season.
Totally get what you're saying about the season being over, and it's why I think college football is so stupid...bowl games are stupid meaningless exhibition games, but there is certainly some conflicting comments in your post. Saying they have no shot at the NC because of one good loss on the one hand, but then saying they have no chance to get back in the top 4 because of the strength of the conference. Fact is if they win that division, which they still have a chance to do, they will have a very good chance of ending up in the top 4. If they don't, they wont be missing out because of one good loss, they will miss out because of multiple losses. If they don't get back in the top 4, I think it is perfectly fair to say its because they don't belong there.
4 game playoff is an improvement to be sure. If they expand to 8, I think it eliminates any room for anyone to complain.
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http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/jameis-winston-florida-state-tallahassee-police-hindered-investigation-documents-101014?cmpid=tsmtw:fscom:foxsports
what????!!!! no way!!!!
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http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/jameis-winston-florida-state-tallahassee-police-hindered-investigation-documents-101014?cmpid=tsmtw:fscom:foxsports
what????!!!! no way!!!!
And then there is this:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11672631/ex-bears-gm-jerry-angelo-hundreds-domestic-violence-cases-ignored
Not related to the college game, but just the general groupthink among these "leaders".
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So, Georgia probably did the right thing by suspending Gurley. I'll make sure to hold my breath for when FSU suspends Winston...
http://racingtoaredlight.com/post/99667428409/jameis-winston-autographs
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This kinda stuff 100% still goes on and it frustrates the hell out of me that there are people out there who don't believe it...
http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/super-page/barry-switzer-says-he-used-to-cover-up-all-his-players-arrests-at-oklahoma/
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This kinda stuff 100% still goes on and it frustrates the hell out of me that there are people out there who don't believe it...
http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/super-page/barry-switzer-says-he-used-to-cover-up-all-his-players-arrests-at-oklahoma/
Anyone with a brain knows it goes on and has for decades. The stories I could tell about Green Bay police and the Packers in the 1990's are incredible. You can say the same thing about the Lakers in L.A., Cowboys in Dallas, Yankees in NYC. It happens in many places, but the danger is to say it is happening with the majority of the players. That's where the broad brush gets out of control. Because 5 guys are idiots, all 85 are which isn't the case. Same goes for companies....some a-hole CEO gets out of control, that means all companies or all employees of that particular company are doing it. Not true. Lazy.
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All is well.
Go 'Noles.
At least tonight.
All is well.
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All is well.
Go 'Noles.
At least tonight.
All is well.
Bad call.
Also, glad Jimbo thinks his team is all about "high character"
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Ha.
How could that happen to God's annointed team?
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That was the correct call.
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In college football, if the receiver stayed behind the line of scrimmage that would have been a legal play.
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Bama, Aggie game really interesting yesterday. Never expected that.
Gopher, Purdue game fun to watch too. Jerry Kill is impressive.
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Ha.
How could that happen to God's annointed team?
I doubt that call would be made if the game was played in South Bend.
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In a game like yesterday's, I will cheer for ND 100 times out of 100 times against the present day FSU. Not even a question.
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Top 5 teams in the country in Sagarin are SEC teams
FSU #10, which in my mind is more accurate than their top 5 ranking.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
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Anyone with a brain knows it goes on and has for decades. The stories I could tell about Green Bay police and the Packers in the 1990's are incredible. You can say the same thing about the Lakers in L.A., Cowboys in Dallas, Yankees in NYC. It happens in many places, but the danger is to say it is happening with the majority of the players. That's where the broad brush gets out of control. Because 5 guys are idiots, all 85 are which isn't the case. Same goes for companies....some a-hole CEO gets out of control, that means all companies or all employees of that particular company are doing it. Not true. Lazy.
Along these lines, Bissinger offers this from the Sunday Review
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/opinion/sunday/the-boys-in-the-clubhouse.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Ar%2C%7B%221%22%3A%22RI%3A8%22%7D (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/opinion/sunday/the-boys-in-the-clubhouse.html?module=Search&mabReward=relbias%3Ar%2C%7B%221%22%3A%22RI%3A8%22%7D)
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11865929/florida-state-officials-postpone-jameis-winston-student-conduct-code-hearing-dec-1
After the regular season is over? I'm SHOCKED the school agreed to this!!!
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Only 408? I see - he only played 3 quarters.
Love this kid. Watched him growing up and it's easy to see why Bradford was so good. The other RB on the team will probably be a 1st round pick in the draft as well.
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He really is a great runner, but Nebraska's defense was horrendous. He won't win the Heisman, but he'll be there when they hand out the trophy.
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'Cats kicked the Domer asses, awesome!
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He really is a great runner, but Nebraska's defense was horrendous. He won't win the Heisman, but he'll be there when they hand out the trophy.
I think it's Mariota's to lose right now. but one bad game could swing it Gordon's way.
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NORTHWESTERN.
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'Cats kicked the Domer asses, awesome!
Kelly with a brain cramp, I'm really a badger fan
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The Cats did me proud today but they still have ND and Illinois on the schedule.
Down goes Bucky and then ND. Beating Illinois will complete the trifecta.
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Only 408? I see - he only played 3 quarters.
Love this kid. Watched him growing up and it's easy to see why Bradford was so good. The other RB on the team will probably be a 1st round pick in the draft as well.
Gordon is an incredible back running behind another stout offensive line. He's a joy to watch. The only thing he is missing is true breakaway speed. But no other holes in his game. And being an old second string fullback, I love watching a great ground attack.
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Gordon is an incredible back running behind another stout offensive line. He's a joy to watch. The only thing he is missing is true breakaway speed. But no other holes in his game. And being an old second string fullback, I love watching a great ground attack.
He's no slouch in the speed department. I expect he will run about 4.4 at the combine. Among the top 5 backs speed-wise.
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All I needed was Nebraska to hump Bucky for a perfect Saturday.
TCU win. Check.
Northwestern silencing the echoes.
Alabama screwing up the playoff.
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All I needed was Nebraska to hump Bucky for a perfect Saturday.
TCU win. Check.
Northwestern silencing the echoes.
Alabama screwing up the playoff.
If you're a TCU fan I don't think this worked out well for you at all. Mississippi state probably doesn't fall past 4th so all Alabama winning does is push TCU down to #5
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If you're a TCU fan I don't think this worked out well for you at all. Mississippi state probably doesn't fall past 4th so all Alabama winning does is push TCU down to #5
Probably true, but Bama still plays Auburn and Mississippi State still plays @ Ole Miss, so there's a fair chance that one or both take another loss. TCU's win at least keeps them at 5 and ready to jump back in if 1-4 lose. FSU and Oregon look like they should win out, making them the most likely bets to stay in for good, IMHO.
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Alabama isn't going to lose to Auburn. If Georgia gets into the SEC Championship Game, that is the upset you need to look for. Missouri will have to lose one of their last two games for Georgia to get there though.
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Well, that record didn't last long. Perine has 427 yards rushing with 13:00 left in the game
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A d**k slappin' going on in Indy tonight.
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A d**k slappin' going on in Indy tonight.
As an Indy resident, I can confirm this statement.
Also, Ohio St. beat Wisconsin pretty badly.
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My playoff guess.
Oregon v. Ohio State in Rose Bowl. (Keeps the tradition.)
Alabama v. FSU in Sugar Bowl.
I think the B12 shot itself in the foot with the mealy-mouth "co-championship" despite what their own rules state and the "one true champion" stuff that they themselves promote. They should have gotten behind Baylor as its conference champion.
http://www.onetruechampion.org/
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Gotta love college football. Go for the TV ratings.
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I just have to say that having all the big bowl games back on Dec 31/Jan 1 was a stroke of genius. Outside of the Marquette game, I spent a good portion of both days watching a slate of very entertaining football games. As much as I love college basketball, it is easy to see why football is king. Some observations:
**The top of the B10 is as good as any other conference. The middle and bottom still suck, but Ohio State and Michigan State can play with anyone in the country. I have a friend who does regional college football writing for Yahoo, and he has harped for years that the reason that the main reason that the B10 has been substandard is due to poor coaching and that OSU's hiring of Urban Meyer was a game changer in that regard. He is looking that he might be right.
**When Oregon is on, they might be the funnest offense I have seen. Although I loved watching Georgia Tech and its running game just roll up yards against Mississippi State. Old school triple option rules.
**The SEC may have gotten a little too enamored with the spread offense. Those that lost got whipped on the lines by teams running pretty traditional offenses and defenses. Ebbs and flows of the game are fun to observe over time.
**Barry Alvarez is being paid a lot of taxpayer money to do very little work in his little kingdom over in Madison, but I had to smile at the end of the UW game. The dude will always be a coach at heart. Melvin Gordan is the best back I have seen at UW since this string began 20 years ago. Better than the Heisman winner.
**OSU-35 Oregon-28.
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Big win by the Buckeyes last night...but doesn't change the fact that they should have been playing in the Cotton Bowl.
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Big win by the Buckeyes last night...but doesn't change the fact that they should have been playing in the Cotton Bowl.
Eh, not sure how you can make that argument.
But going to 8 teams for the playoffs is the way to go and silly arguments like this won't happen. This also doesn't mean the Big 10 is now the powerhouse conference and that the SEC is crap.
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Eh, not sure how you can make that argument.
But going to 8 teams for the playoffs is the way to go and silly arguments like this won't happen. This also doesn't mean the Big 10 is now the powerhouse conference and that the SEC is crap.
Based on regular season "body of work," as the committee called it, TCU and Baylor were both better, but Ohio $tate's name got them in.
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Based on regular season "body of work," as the committee called it, TCU and Baylor were both better, but Ohio $tate's name got them in.
Ohio State had a better strength of schedule. So you are wrong on your first part.
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Ohio State had a better strength of schedule. So you are wrong on your first part.
OSU's SOS was 44th to TCU's 54th, basically because TCU beat up on Samford instead of Kent State. OSU lost at home to a team that went 7-6. If the committee was truly looking at entire body of work, that bad loss would outweigh the marginal difference in SOS.
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OSU's SOS was 44th to TCU's 54th, basically because TCU beat up on Samford instead of Kent State. OSU lost at home to a team that went 7-6. If the committee was truly looking at entire body of work, that bad loss would outweigh the marginal difference in SOS.
Can't believe I'm defending tOSU.....that loss came at the beginning of the season, since that they went undefeated and played a tougher conference schedule than either TCU or Baylor.
And tOSU could at least claim a conference championship....TCU and Baylor, not so much
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Can't believe I'm defending tOSU.....that loss came at the beginning of the season, since that they went undefeated and played a tougher conference schedule than either TCU or Baylor.
And tOSU could at least claim a conference championship....TCU and Baylor, not so much
TCU and Baylor were conference co-champions.
OSU's SOS was marginally better but their one loss was significantly worse.
Bottom line: Ohio State got in because they're Ohio State. Switch their resume with Purdue and TCU or Baylor would be in the playoff. Give TCU or Baylor's resume to Notre Dame and they're in over OSU. It's all about money.
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TCU and Baylor were conference co-champions.
And there-in lies half the issue. If you've got one slot for TCU, Baylor, and OSU it's just easier to put in a legitimate conference champion than pick between two "co-champions"
OSU's SOS was marginally better but their one loss was significantly worse.
OSU's opponents and victories were better than either TCU or Baylor, OSU's loss was worse than Baylor or TCU....kind of washes out. And I don't care what you say there is a significant difference in playing Samford and playing Kent State.
Bottom line: Ohio State got in because they're Ohio State. Switch their resume with Purdue and TCU or Baylor would be in the playoff. Give TCU or Baylor's resume to Notre Dame and they're in over OSU. It's all about money.
I'm sure the television audience potential comes into play, not naive enough to believe otherwise. However, to dismiss tOSU as only in because of money is to completely ignore facts....there is a very solid argument for tOSU to be in, you just don't like it.
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TCU and Baylor were conference co-champions.
OSU's SOS was marginally better but their one loss was significantly worse.
It doesn't matter if their one loss was worse - there was no provision for "not having a worse loss" in the selection process.
Ohio State's overall schedule was stronger, and since each team had equal records (OSU with the extra game), it makes perfect sense why they were chosen - they played overall a stronger schedule.
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So, did Winston intentionally fumble toward O's goal?
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It doesn't matter if their one loss was worse - there was no provision for "not having a worse loss" in the selection process.
Ohio State's overall schedule was stronger, and since each team had equal records (OSU with the extra game), it makes perfect sense why they were chosen - they played overall a stronger schedule.
Any system that drops a team 3 places after winning a conference game by 52 points is a seriously flawed system.
In the end, it once again all came down to money.
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Any system that drops a team 3 places after winning a conference game by 52 points is a seriously flawed system.
In the end, it once again all came down to money.
Well stated.