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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mubb34 on August 27, 2014, 09:39:48 PM
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Just made his top 3 with UK and MSU!!!!
Go Wojo!
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 4m
Final three schools for Henry Ellenson -- Marquette, Michigan State and Kentucky.
7:35 PM - 27 Aug 2014
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Feel really good about this one, especially if Wojo can get him on campus this weekend.
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Never like seeing MSU
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Never like seeing MSU
Agreed. Izzo is a class act and a great closer.
But it's still better than UW!
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Stiff, stiff competition, but as the saying de jour goes "why not us"! Go Wojo! Great timing on the Haanif visit and hopefully Nick gets Ellenson down this weekend as well so they all can take in the new locker room, new training room, new wall of fame and... oh yeah, the pro bball playing alum and coaching staff hooping it up with the team. Nice.
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Never like seeing uk in their, my guess is its down to MU uk
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I'm most worried about MSU, it seems family is very important to him so I think Kentucky is to far away when the other two choices provide opportunities to play games much closer for his folks to travel to. Can't hurt to have Wally on board but Izzo has a lot of minutes to offer him right away. Go get em wojo!!
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UK always makes me nervous. Calipari can offer things that Marquette can't (or shouldn't). Still, I think we land him.
Sic 'Em Wojo!
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I'm most worried about MSU, it seems family is very important to him so I think Kentucky is to far away when the other two choices provide opportunities to play games much closer for his folks to travel to. Can't hurt to have Wally on board but Izzo has a lot of minutes to offer him right away. Go get em wojo!!
? It's a 10 hour drive from Rice Lake, WI to East Lansing, MI. If his family is going to see him play at Michigan State, they are going to have to fly, just like they would have to fly to see him play at Kentucky. I doubt that will be a deciding factor.
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Love our chances.
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Anyone check the badger boards yet? I'm curious about Henry's state of cooling with Bo
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Anyone check the badger boards yet? I'm curious about Henry's state of cooling with Bo
Some are handling it with class. Most are an embarrassment.
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MSU is a very formidable competitor. Henry will not get the minutes at UK. Wojo made the right move by recruiting Wally. The two brothers playing on the same team is something that will be attractive to the whole family.
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Bob Bradovich
@BradoNews18
Sports Director at WQOW News 18.
Eau Claire, WI
Just got off the phone w/ Henry Ellenson who says he'll visit Michigan State on 9/20, Marquette on 9/26, has not set date to visit Kentucky.
8:14pm - 27 Aug 14
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I feel good about MU's position. MSU will be tough, but at some point, MU will reel in a top 10 stud. It's been a long time (Doc Rivers?). They've come close a few times since then, but have come up short. It's time.
MU and Wojo have a lot to offer. Hope Ellenson sees that. I think he does.
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Anyone check the badger boards yet? I'm curious about Henry's state of cooling with Bo
Really, who cares.
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That is a tough list.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 4m
Final three schools for Henry Ellenson -- Marquette, Michigan State and Kentucky.
7:35 PM - 27 Aug 2014
Speaking of shoes, all Nike.
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Just get Coach K up to Rice Lake to tell Henry all the great things about Wojo. Done deal.
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This will be a big deal for MU when Ellenson signs up with us.
And Stone too.
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Uh oh. MSU and Izzo are very worrisome. Calipari and horseracing also.
But MU and state of Wisconsin must prevail. Now then, we also need Stone to develop a dynasty for two years.
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If Wojo could land him..... :D
Still, as a head coach he's such an unknown quantity...
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Uh oh. MSU and Izzo are very worrisome. Calipari and horseracing also.
But MU and state of Wisconsin must prevail. Now then, we also need Stone to develop a dynasty for two years.
I would guess we don't make Stone's final list.
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? It's a 10 hour drive from Rice Lake, WI to East Lansing, MI. If his family is going to see him play at Michigan State, they are going to have to fly, just like they would have to fly to see him play at Kentucky. I doubt that will be a deciding factor.
I was thinking more along the lines of games at Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.. every year.
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I was thinking more along the lines of games at Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.. every year.
Fair point.
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Anytime you're recruitin' 5 stars, the competition is gonna be stiff. Just strap it on and go at it.
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Boy, you just won't what kind of impact having a guy on the inside is going to have. Right, wrong or indifferent, he is going to get a much closer look at MU than the other two based on big bro's experience. Just have to hope that ends up being a positive.
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Is it safe to assume he plans to make his decision shortly after his visits?
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Boy, you just won't what kind of impact having a guy on the inside is going to have. Right, wrong or indifferent, he is going to get a much closer look at MU than the other two based on big bro's experience. Just have to hope that ends up being a positive.
Exactly.
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Think positive!! Think MU!!!!
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Heck, this is a win just because prior to Wojo we weren't even being considered for Ellenson.
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FWIW MSU already has 5 Star PF Deyonta Davis locked up.
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I don't really follow the recruiting trail that closely, but has there been any indication when he's planning to narrow it down to one school and make a commitment?
(yes, almost certainly not until after visits but any other word?)
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Looking forward to seeing the Ellenson's in the Warriors uniform.
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Is it a good or bad thing that he doesn't have a visit date scheduled for Kentucky?
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Great point---if our rookie coach can do something that Brent couldn't even sniff would be HUGE.
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Some are handling it with class. Most are an embarrassment.
Well, some have already started attacking Henry's parents...same old story.
Wes' parents
Maymon's dad (ok, this one I get)
Vander's mom
Henry's parents
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Heck, this is a win just because prior to Wojo we weren't even being considered for Ellenson.
While it is amazing that Wojo has been able to get in on Henry, I disagree with this. Plan B or not even on the radar are the same things in recruiting. Being 2nd means absolutely nothing.
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I'm always confused by those who want Marquette to be considered one of the top basketball programs in the country, but then get worried and frightened when we are competing with schools like Michigan State and Kentucky for recruits. ?-(
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Well, some have already started attacking Henry's parents...same old story.
Wes' parents
Maymon's dad (ok, this one I get)
Vander's mom
Henry's parents
My favorite post last night was the one that wished a STD on him. Even Potrykus called that guy out.
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Hope he ends up at MU but MSU and UK are going to blow him away on his visits. Not liking the possibility of him seeing UK as his last visit before making a decision. Ideally he commits at MU and never goes to UK. I'm not going hold my breath, but man would this be a program changer and a huge step for Wojo. Let's keep Wally happy.
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While it is amazing that Wojo has been able to get in on Henry, I disagree with this. Plan B or not even on the radar are the same things in recruiting. Being 2nd means absolutely nothing.
Should Wojo get a ribbon/trophy for participating?
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Anytime you're recruitin' 5 stars, the competition is gonna be stiff. Just strap it on and go at it.
Exactly. It wasn't going to come down to Marquette, UW-Stout, and Little Sisters of the Poor.
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Should Wojo get a ribbon/trophy for participating?
(http://i.imgur.com/39TBmHa.png)
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Should Wojo get a ribbon/trophy for participating?
To be fair, at the minimum it would be a 3rd-place trophy at this point.
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I am confident that Henry will make his decision by the early signing period. I am less confident, but still confident that his decision will be to be a Warrior.
Come on H2, Henry and Haanif!
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Anyone check the badger boards yet? I'm curious about Henry's state of cooling with Bo
Really, who cares.
Watching them hyperventilate might be a guilty pleasure, but its a pleasure nonetheless.
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Watching them hyperventilate might be a guilty pleasure, but its a pleasure nonetheless.
I've never really gotten into the hate-watching, hate-reading, or hate-following of things. Opposing team's boards included.
Maybe I'm the last generation not to embrace trolling?
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I've never really gotten into the hate-watching, hate-reading, or hate-following of things. Opposing team's boards included.
Maybe I'm the last generation not to embrace trolling?
No I agree, I can't read that stuff. It bothers me too much.
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No I agree, I can't read that stuff. It bothers me too much.
Here, I'll bring it to you:
"Henry isn't good enough to be the guy right away at a place like MSU or Kentucky or UW for that matter. Perhaps at a mid major like Marquette though."
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Here, I'll bring it to you:
"Henry isn't good enough to be the guy right away at a place like MSU or Kentucky or UW for that matter. Perhaps at a mid major like Marquette though."
Thanks for that.
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Would obviously be a huge get, to land Henry. Been how long since MU got a Top 10 kid? From all reports the kid is going to be an absolute stud. Add him to the MU team and look ahead to 2016-2017 - You could have a team with Fischer, Burton, JJJ, Duane, Dawson as seniors...and Henry as a sophomore. With a bench of Heldt, Cohen, Nick, Wally, Levin and Cheatham.
That's 9 Top 100 players...with good balance at all positions.
Was concerned about Wojo initially just from a recruiting perspective - but it appears he can get the job done, and perhaps done at an extremely high level. Saw it mentioned by Jerry Meyer on 247 site - Marquette on verge of Top 5 recruiting class? Wow.
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Here, I'll bring it to you:
"Henry isn't good enough to be the guy right away at a place like MSU or Kentucky or UW for that matter. Perhaps at a mid major like Marquette though."
Woof, bitter much? Its gonna be real fun to see a mid major kicking the ass of the Vadgers year after year come 2015.
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Would obviously be a huge get, to land Henry. Been how long since MU got a Top 10 kid? From all reports the kid is going to be an absolute stud. Add him to the MU team and look ahead to 2016-2017 - You could have a team with Fischer, Burton, JJJ, Duane, Dawson as seniors...and Henry as a sophomore. With a bench of Heldt, Cohen, Nick, Wally, Levin and Cheatham.
That's 9 Top 100 players...with good balance at all positions.
Was concerned about Wojo initially just from a recruiting perspective - but it appears he can get the job done, and perhaps done at an extremely high level. Saw it mentioned by Jerry Meyer on 247 site - Marquette on verge of Top 5 recruiting class? Wow.
Even without Diamond a lineup of Du. Wilson, JJJ, Burton, Ellenson and Fischer is a very nice lineup. Especially with guys like Dawson, Cohen and Heldt coming off the bench.
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Even without Diamond a lineup of Du. Wilson, JJJ, Burton, Ellenson and Fischer is a very nice lineup. Especially with guys like Dawson, Cohen and Heldt coming off the bench.
Levine can play.
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Would obviously be a huge get, to land Henry. Been how long since MU got a Top 10 kid? From all reports the kid is going to be an absolute stud. Add him to the MU team and look ahead to 2016-2017 - You could have a team with Fischer, Burton, JJJ, Duane, Dawson as seniors...and Henry as a sophomore. With a bench of Heldt, Cohen, Nick, Wally, Levin and Cheatham.
I would contend that Henry won't be in college as a sophomore.
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Levine can play.
In Maroon 5?
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I would contend that Henry won't be in college as a sophomore.
Wow. Really? That good? Even if so wonder if he'd be as* inclined to go pro after 1 year in that I assume* his family's financial situation may not be as challenging as some other guys.
The chance to potentially win/compete for a National Championship with your brother on the same team - to me would be something alone that might entice one to stay 1 more year in college than perhaps necessary. And...if Burton doesn't leave after his junior year...that team in 2016-2017 would be a very legitimate National Contender.
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I would contend that Henry won't be in college as a sophomore.
If he truly is as good as he is being billed, I see him playing through his soph season (Wally's senior year I believe) and then moving on to join the ranks of MU NBAers. While I'm excited to see the growth and potential for this years squad that lineup for 2015 and beyond makes me downright giddy!!
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The Crystal Ball predictions for Ellenson are currently 77% for Marquette, 17% Wisconsin, 3% Minnesota, 3% Duke, and 0% for both Michigan State and Kentucky. Most of the non-MU picks were before Wally's decision to transfer to MU.
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No I agree, I can't read that stuff. It bothers me too much.
If I were a Badger fan, I think I would rather see him go to MU than MSU. Keep him in the state but out of the conference. Similarly, if Henry were deciding between UW and Georgetown, I'd rather see him as a Badger...even though I puked a bit as I typed that.
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If I were a Badger fan, I think I would rather see him go to MU than MSU. Keep him in the state but out of the conference. Similarly, if Henry were deciding between UW and Georgetown, I'd rather see him as a Badger...even though I puked a bit as I typed that.
I'd rather him go to GT we want the BE to get top recruits as we'll so forget him going to the big ten
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Levine can play.
I always forget about him because I was out of town when he committed.
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The Crystal Ball predictions for Ellenson are currently 77% for Marquette, 17% Wisconsin, 3% Minnesota, 3% Duke, and 0% for both Michigan State and Kentucky. Most of the non-MU picks were before Wally's decision to transfer to MU.
Alec Kinsky who picked UW last week clearly had some bad intel.
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I would contend that Henry won't be in college as a sophomore.
Wow ... predicting a kid will flunk out ... nice.
(teal unnecessary, I hope)
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? It's a 10 hour drive from Rice Lake, WI to East Lansing, MI. If his family is going to see him play at Michigan State, they are going to have to fly, just like they would have to fly to see him play at Kentucky. I doubt that will be a deciding factor.
Not a huge deal but they will play Minnesota and Wisconsin. So you get 2 games a year within a 3 hour drive.
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Not a huge deal but they will play Minnesota and Wisconsin. So you get 2 games a year within a 3 hour drive.
Yeah that's what he explained. Makes sense that way. I personally don't feel like that will be a big factor in his decision, but maybe it will.
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Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel 12m
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Marquette remains leader for Henry Ellenson, whom some NBA scouts told me reminds them of a young Dirk Nowitzki
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Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel 12m
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Marquette remains leader for Henry Ellenson, whom some NBA scouts told me reminds them of a young Dirk Nowitzki
and he's deciding when?
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Calipari is a crook
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Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel 12m
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Marquette remains leader for Henry Ellenson, whom some NBA scouts told me reminds them of a young Dirk Nowitzki
I think Ellenson is a really, really good player. But I don't see much resembling Dirk outside of skin tone and height.
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I think Ellenson is a really, really good player. But I don't see much resembling Dirk outside of skin tone and height.
A little bit like Dirk, but I'll continue to say that he reminds me more of Kevin Love than Dirk.
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and he's deciding when?
E1 & E2 has a nice ring for MU Team!
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Gery Woelfel @GeryWoelfel 12m
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Marquette remains leader for Henry Ellenson, whom some NBA scouts told me reminds them of a young Dirk Nowitzki
Reading that made me smile -- that is exactly how I have been describing his game to people for the last two years. TBH I never really thought we would have a shot at him. For those who have not seen him, he is the real deal. With almost a decade of one-tool bigs, we are headed into a whole new direction with Fischer, Heldt and hopefully Ellenson.
I met with my former MU player friend yesterday a few hours after he met with Wojo for the first time and he said the vibe around the bball program has totally changed. Said the players love Wojo and the staff because they played the game and know what they are going through. Says it was so much more relaxed and positive. Where Crean and Buzz used fear and isolation to rule, Wojo uses respect and personal responsibility. Just loved hearing this. He also said the Steve Taylor Jr. is looking huge and he's super excited about the season. Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
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Reading that made me smile -- that is exactly how I have been describing his game to people for the last two years. TBH I never really thought we would have a shot at him. For those who have not seen him, he is the real deal. With almost a decade of one-tool bigs, we are headed into a whole new direction with Fischer, Heldt and hopefully Ellenson.
I met with my former MU player friend yesterday a few hours after he met with Wojo for the first time and he said the vibe around the bball program has totally changed. Said the players love Wojo and the staff because they played the game and know what they are going through. Says it was so much more relaxed and positive. Where Crean and Buzz used fear and isolation to rule, Wojo uses respect and personal responsibility. Just loved hearing this. He also said the Steve Taylor Jr. is looking huge and he's super excited about the season. Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
FW:
Thanks for the inside dope. It all sounds wonderful.
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Reading that made me smile -- that is exactly how I have been describing his game to people for the last two years. TBH I never really thought we would have a shot at him. For those who have not seen him, he is the real deal. With almost a decade of one-tool bigs, we are headed into a whole new direction with Fischer, Heldt and hopefully Ellenson.
I met with my former MU player friend yesterday a few hours after he met with Wojo for the first time and he said the vibe around the bball program has totally changed. Said the players love Wojo and the staff because they played the game and know what they are going through. Says it was so much more relaxed and positive. Where Crean and Buzz used fear and isolation to rule, Wojo uses respect and personal responsibility. Just loved hearing this. He also said the Steve Taylor Jr. is looking huge and he's super excited about the season. Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
Awesome post
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We sure Deiner doesn't have any eligibility left?
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Reading that made me smile -- that is exactly how I have been describing his game to people for the last two years. TBH I never really thought we would have a shot at him. For those who have not seen him, he is the real deal. With almost a decade of one-tool bigs, we are headed into a whole new direction with Fischer, Heldt and hopefully Ellenson.
I met with my former MU player friend yesterday a few hours after he met with Wojo for the first time and he said the vibe around the bball program has totally changed. Said the players love Wojo and the staff because they played the game and know what they are going through. Says it was so much more relaxed and positive. Where Crean and Buzz used fear and isolation to rule, Wojo uses respect and personal responsibility. Just loved hearing this. He also said the Steve Taylor Jr. is looking huge and he's super excited about the season. Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
Love hearing this. Thanks Freeport
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and he's deciding when?
I am nearly 100% confident that he will be deciding in time for the early signing period. He definitely won't sign before the visit with us (or if he does I think it's in our favor). I think we will hear a decision shortly after his visit to Milwaukee..
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I am nearly 100% confident that he will be deciding in time for the early signing period. He definitely won't sign before the visit with us (or if he does I think it's in our favor). I think we will hear a decision shortly after his visit to Milwaukee..
In the meantime, a couple of other bigs verballing to Michigan State or Kentucky would be nice.
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Love hearing this. Thanks Freeport
Agree. Yes, Crean and Williams had legit success at MU. I get that. However, I love that Wojo has been a breath of fresh air. It seems as though Crean and Williams were trying to overcompensate for having never played the game... using tackling dummy drills, bootcamps, etc.
Now, MU has a coach who has played the game at an elite college level. Wojo seems much more relaxed and confident than our previous two coaches. I'm sure he's much easier to be around.
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Izzo. Krzyzewski. Calipari. Calhoun. Boeheim. Ryan. Self. R. Williams. Smart. And, yes, Crean and B. Williams.
Just a handful of the dozens of highly successful current (or recent) coaches who never played college basketball at the elite level.
This is such an overrated dynamic. If it weren't, K and Cal wouldn't have top-10 recruiting classes every year.
Might it influence some recruits or please some players after a guy like Wojo arrives? Sure. But please. The list of great coaches who never played elite basketball is far longer than the list of great coaches who did. It's probably not even close.
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Reading that made me smile -- that is exactly how I have been describing his game to people for the last two years. TBH I never really thought we would have a shot at him. For those who have not seen him, he is the real deal. With almost a decade of one-tool bigs, we are headed into a whole new direction with Fischer, Heldt and hopefully Ellenson.
I met with my former MU player friend yesterday a few hours after he met with Wojo for the first time and he said the vibe around the bball program has totally changed. Said the players love Wojo and the staff because they played the game and know what they are going through. Says it was so much more relaxed and positive. Where Crean and Buzz used fear and isolation to rule, Wojo uses respect and personal responsibility. Just loved hearing this. He also said the Steve Taylor Jr. is looking huge and he's super excited about the season. Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
Thanks, Tim. This is great insight.
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Whenever I see a post from Freeport Warrior I can't help but think "LL Bean" for some reason?
Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
Whenever he beats out a current player, I can see a "Now that's how you do it and that's why I'm telling you to do that way!"
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In the meantime, a couple of other bigs verballing to Michigan State or Kentucky would be nice.
The problem is Henry is so versatile that he can play the 3, 4, or 5. Even if UK and MSU have PFs already, there is still a spot for Ellenson. MSU especialy needs a lot of help in the post. They already have 4.3 star Deyonta Davis locked down but have two more schollies after baby Kaminski transferred.
Kentucky on the other hand has a plethora of bigs. If Henry went there he would find himself behind Cauley-Stein (Senior), Poythress (Senior), Lee (Junior), Willis (Junior), Johnson (Junior), Lyles (Sophomore), and Towns Jr. (Sophomore). Of course one to three of these guys will go pro, but not all. Not to mention the fact the Calipari is also in on several studs in the 2015 class including Derrick Jones, Brandon Ingram, Ivan Rabb, Chieck Diallo, Carlton Bragg, Diamond Stone, Stephen Zimmerman, Skal Labriesse, Caleb Swanigan, and Doral Moore.
Kentucky is a bigger threat than MSU. But Kentucky needs to decide that Ellenson is a priority for them to be a factor. MSU already has Ellenson as a priority.
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Whenever I see a post from Freeport Warrior I can't help but think "LL Bean" for some reason?
Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
Whenever he beats out a current player, I can see a "Now that's how you do it and that's why I'm telling you to do that way!"
I'm really hoping we see a coaches vs. Players scrimmage this year during MU madness. Who wouldn't wanna see Wojo floor slapping and Deiner raining 3s?
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I'm sure he's much easier to be around.
I know three Crean players pretty well. They all pretty much say that when they heard Crean was "in the house" they would try to avoid any contact and go somewhere else because they never knew what he was going to say or do. He would go off without notice. I heard similar things from Buzz players. You just never knew. Buzz's move was freezing people out and not communicating. My buddy said Wojo just has a different way about him that is more "normal man." You give respect, you get respect. Love it all and hope it translates to winning basketball.
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I'm really hoping we see a coaches vs. Players scrimmage this year during MU madness. Who wouldn't wanna see Wojo floor slapping and Deiner raining 3s?
(http://scout.imgix.net/22/220577.jpg)
By the way, Diener looks the exact same as he did 10 years ago when I was a student:
https://www.facebook.com/MarquetteMensBB/photos/a.516564388487193.1073741927.141090692701233/516564501820515/?type=3&theater
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I know three Crean players pretty well. They all pretty much say that when they heard Crean was "in the house" they would try to avoid any contact and go somewhere else because they never knew what he was going to say or do. He would go off without notice. I heard similar things from Buzz players. You just never knew. Buzz's move was freezing people out and not communicating. My buddy said Wojo just has a different way about him that is more "normal man." You give respect, you get respect. Love it all and hope it translates to winning basketball.
Whether they are the same guys you know, I've heard the very same thing from some Buzz and Crean players as well.
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Izzo. Krzyzewski. Calipari. Calhoun. Boeheim. Ryan. Self. R. Williams. Smart. And, yes, Crean and B. Williams.
Just a handful of the dozens of highly successful current (or recent) coaches who never played college basketball at the elite level.
This is such an overrated dynamic. If it weren't, K and Cal wouldn't have top-10 recruiting classes every year.
Might it influence some recruits or please some players after a guy like Wojo arrives? Sure. But please. The list of great coaches who never played elite basketball is far longer than the list of great coaches who did. It's probably not even close.
I am pretty sure Coach K, and Boeheim did, and Roy Williams played at UNC for a year and depending on what is considered elite Calipari did play D1 ball for a few years and Izzo played at Northern Michigan. I think the ability to relate to the game by playing it does have somewhat of an effect on coaching style. I do not think the list is nearly as short as you think.
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(http://scout.imgix.net/22/220577.jpg)
By the way, Diener looks the exact same as he did 10 years ago when I was a student:
https://www.facebook.com/MarquetteMensBB/photos/a.516564388487193.1073741927.141090692701233/516564501820515/?type=3&theater
A little more peach fuzz now a days but generally still the same.
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Izzo. Krzyzewski. Calipari. Calhoun. Boeheim. Ryan. Self. R. Williams. Smart. And, yes, Crean and B. Williams.
Just a handful of the dozens of highly successful current (or recent) coaches who never played college basketball at the elite level.
This is such an overrated dynamic. If it weren't, K and Cal wouldn't have top-10 recruiting classes every year.
Might it influence some recruits or please some players after a guy like Wojo arrives? Sure. But please. The list of great coaches who never played elite basketball is far longer than the list of great coaches who did. It's probably not even close.
Take out the word elite and that argument holds no water because most of those guys played in college. A guy who played vs a guy who watched practice at a junior college and swept the floor is quite a bit diffrent. I'm sure players will be able to relate to the player much more than the janitor.
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Might it influence some recruits or please some players after a guy like Wojo arrives? Sure. But please. The list of great coaches who never played elite basketball is far longer than the list of great coaches who did. It's probably not even close.
I wasn't really talking about recruiting prowess, more about how the current players all really respect that "he was one of them" and because of that, they have truly bought into his vision. The fact that he played at a high level and understands their lives of balancing academics/ball is huge.
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I met with my former MU player friend yesterday a few hours after he met with Wojo for the first time and he said the vibe around the bball program has totally changed. Said the players love Wojo and the staff because they played the game and know what they are going through. Says it was so much more relaxed and positive. Where Crean and Buzz used fear and isolation to rule, Wojo uses respect and personal responsibility. Just loved hearing this. He also said the Steve Taylor Jr. is looking huge and he's super excited about the season. Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
There was a siege mentality built up by Buzz over the past few years, and it's good to hear that a lot of that has gone away.
I have also heard the culture is a lot more businesslike now. The staff did their homework on the players, and identified the areas that needed improvement. They're being told exactly what is expected of them, and what they need to do. Buzz liked to play mind games with them, now there's none of that, and the team has responded well.
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Izzo. Krzyzewski. Calipari. Calhoun. Boeheim. Ryan. Self. R. Williams. Smart. And, yes, Crean and B. Williams.
Just a handful of the dozens of highly successful current (or recent) coaches who never played college basketball at the elite level.
This is such an overrated dynamic. If it weren't, K and Cal wouldn't have top-10 recruiting classes every year.
Might it influence some recruits or please some players after a guy like Wojo arrives? Sure. But please. The list of great coaches who never played elite basketball is far longer than the list of great coaches who did. It's probably not even close.
There's a huge difference between "never played at the elite level" and "never played at all". The other guys you mentioned a least played at the college level and had success, although maybe not elite. Crean barely made it off the bench in HS and I've never seen anything to indicate Buzz even played in HS. I don't know how much it matters for recruiting, but you can tell they don't have a feel for the flow of a game through their coaching.
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Izzo. Krzyzewski. Calipari. Calhoun. Boeheim. Ryan. Self. R. Williams. Smart. And, yes, Crean and B. Williams.
Just a handful of the dozens of highly successful current (or recent) coaches who never played college basketball at the elite level.
This is such an overrated dynamic. If it weren't, K and Cal wouldn't have top-10 recruiting classes every year.
Might it influence some recruits or please some players after a guy like Wojo arrives? Sure. But please. The list of great coaches who never played elite basketball is far longer than the list of great coaches who did. It's probably not even close.
umm ...without counting to make exactly sure, approx. half of this list did in fact play D1 ball.
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I am confident that Henry will make his decision by the early signing period. I am less confident, but still confident that his decision will be to be a Warrior.
Come on H2, Henry and Haanif!
Why so?
We already knew before this that Kentucky, MSU, Duke, and UW among others were interested. That he has trimmed some of those should increase our confidence.
But like others here, I was, and am, most worried about Izzo.
And if we get both guys - looks to be a top 3 class.
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A little bit like Dirk, but I'll continue to say that he reminds me more of Kevin Love than Dirk.
You mean he isn't going to play defense?
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Reading that made me smile -- that is exactly how I have been describing his game to people for the last two years. TBH I never really thought we would have a shot at him. For those who have not seen him, he is the real deal. With almost a decade of one-tool bigs, we are headed into a whole new direction with Fischer, Heldt and hopefully Ellenson.
I met with my former MU player friend yesterday a few hours after he met with Wojo for the first time and he said the vibe around the bball program has totally changed. Said the players love Wojo and the staff because they played the game and know what they are going through. Says it was so much more relaxed and positive. Where Crean and Buzz used fear and isolation to rule, Wojo uses respect and personal responsibility. Just loved hearing this. He also said the Steve Taylor Jr. is looking huge and he's super excited about the season. Also said Wojo can still hoop with the best of them.
And reading that made me smile.
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Coach k played at Army, Bell Self played at OK st, Izzo was a Div 3 all american, Boeheim played at Cuse. Cal played at UNC willmington and clarion.
Crean Buzz never played any college ball at any level.
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Why so?
We already knew before this that Kentucky, MSU, Duke, and UW among others were interested. That he has trimmed some of those should increase our confidence.
But like others here, I was, and am, most worried about Izzo.
And if we get both guys - looks to be a top 3 class.
Oh I am no less confident about landing Ellenson. But I am nearly 100% confident about him deciding in time for the early signing period. I'm about 75% confident about landing Ellenson.
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Oh I am no less confident about landing Ellenson. But I am nearly 100% confident about him deciding in time for the early signing period. I'm about 75% confident about landing Ellenson.
which is when?
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which is when?
November 12 - 19.
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calhoun played at Umass-lowell, and then transferred to a D2 school where he was the best player for 2-3 yeras.
Bottom line.... all the coaches named were darn good players and in fact(to the point) know what it is like to have been a player. Crean and Buzz, like chicos, only know what its like to pick up jocks.
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November 12 - 19.
Thanks, man.
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You mean he isn't going to play defense?
I thought Ellenson played pretty good D on Diamond last year at the Concordia tourney. He guarded Diamond far better than Diamond guarded him. And that is the beauty of his game; if you follow him outside, he will take it to the hole with ease because of the athleticism. This guy is the total package. Not much weakness to his game at all. For a college comparison, I think he comes in as a freshman and plays much like Jon Leuer when he was a senior at UW.
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Agree. Yes, Crean and Williams had legit success at MU. I get that. However, I love that Wojo has been a breath of fresh air. It seems as though Crean and Williams were trying to overcompensate for having never played the game... using tackling dummy drills, bootcamps, etc.
Now, MU has a coach who has played the game at an elite college level. Wojo seems much more relaxed and confident than our previous two coaches. I'm sure he's much easier to be around.
Tackle dummy drills have been used at Michigan State for 2 decades, that is where Crean brought it in from. They are used at a number of schools.
I agree that Wojo is likely more of a player's coach, yet to believe many of the posters here over the last 6 years, one would think Buzz was as well. Thing is, Buzz was a player's coach to some players, but not to others...same goes for Crean. Question for Wojo will be whether that style can succeed over the long run with discipline, productivity, etc.
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We sure Deiner doesn't have any eligibility left?
Wojo: Hey, Travis, I just read an article that some coaches use a drill with tackling dummies to toughen their team up. What do you think?
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Coach k played at Army, Bell Self played at OK st, Izzo was a Div 3 all american, Boeheim played at Cuse. Cal played at UNC willmington and clarion.
Crean Buzz never played any college ball at any level.
However, he did start for Team Williams which had a really nice home floor out in Mequon, I hear.
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Take out the word elite and that argument holds no water because most of those guys played in college. A guy who played vs a guy who watched practice at a junior college and swept the floor is quite a bit diffrent. I'm sure players will be able to relate to the player much more than the janitor.
I agree. But "elite" was in the first post on this subject. K was the closest ... a starter at Army, if one considers that elite. Williams was on the freshman team at NC, couldn't cut it and talked his way onto the coaching staff. Izzo ... Northern Michigan ... elite? Come on. Etc., etc.
I would say some kids might relate to a young coach like Wojo more because he is "like them" than because he played. That's why they relate to Shaka, too; he is "cool." But again, even this is over-generalizing.
I mean, does anybody here think a single recruit chooses UNC, Duke and MSU because Williams, K and Izzo "played" 1000 years ago? Come on!
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Tackle dummy drills have been used at Michigan State for 2 decades, that is where Crean brought it in from. They are used at a number of schools.
I agree that Wojo is likely more of a player's coach, yet to believe many of the posters here over the last 6 years, one would think Buzz was as well. Thing is, Buzz was a player's coach to some players, but not to others...same goes for Crean. Question for Wojo will be whether that style can succeed over the long run with discipline, productivity, etc.
Don't think that Buzz is a players' coach. He did appeal to some as a father figure, but not otherwise as a players' coach. More of a tough displinarian who did single out specific players who he felt could take more criticism. Not a negative. Just who he is.
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umm ...without counting to make exactly sure, approx. half of this list did in fact play D1 ball.
As I say in a later comment ... I was responding to that certain coaches played "elite" level major ball. Not a one hear did, that's for sure.
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I mean, does anybody here think a single recruit chooses UNC, Duke and MSU because Williams, K and Izzo "played" 1000 years ago? Come on!
It's not because of the fact that they played, it's the fact that they have a diffrent outlook. They can understand the kids more/better. You're right that Izzo probably doesn't show up in a kids family room with his college stats, but he might say "look I played in college too. I wasn't that good which is why I went to Northern, but I played so I know what it's like. If you come to MSU I'll watch out for you because I understand what it takes to be a student athlete."
Who knows what these coaches say and how they pitch these kids, but being a former player is another arrow in the quiver.
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Don't think that Buzz is a players' coach. He did appeal to some as a father figure, but not otherwise as a players' coach. More of a tough displinarian who did single out specific players who he felt could take more criticism. Not a negative. Just who he is.
Fair point, though I think it comes down to benchmark comparisons. There were players that hated the rigid structure Crean put into place around classes, tutors, practice, etc, etc. Felt like they had no freedom to do anything...as an example. Don't get me wrong, Buzz had a regimented system, as well. Players that played for both seemed to think one was more lax than the other, thus more of a "player's coach" in comparison. There are certainly some coaches out there that are very lax that make Buzz look like an authoritarian.
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However, he did start for Team Williams which had a really nice home floor out in Mequon, I hear.
Wojo: Hey, Travis, I just read an article that some coaches use a drill with tackling dummies to toughen their team up. What do you think?
On a roll.
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I thought Ellenson played pretty good D on Diamond last year at the Concordia tourney. He guarded Diamond far better than Diamond guarded him. And that is the beauty of his game; if you follow him outside, he will take it to the hole with ease because of the athleticism. This guy is the total package. Not much weakness to his game at all. For a college comparison, I think he comes in as a freshman and plays much like Jon Leuer when he was a senior at UW.
I was just kidding cuz they compared him to Kevin Love.
I (and obviously many others) really apreciate your posts here. They are almost always 'must reading'..
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I agree. But "elite" was in the first post on this subject. K was the closest ... a starter at Army, if one considers that elite. Williams was on the freshman team at NC, couldn't cut it and talked his way onto the coaching staff. Izzo ... Northern Michigan ... elite? Come on. Etc., etc.
I would say some kids might relate to a young coach like Wojo more because he is "like them" than because he played. That's why they relate to Shaka, too; he is "cool." But again, even this is over-generalizing.
I mean, does anybody here think a single recruit chooses UNC, Duke and MSU because Williams, K and Izzo "played" 1000 years ago? Come on!
I think it's possible at the beginning of their career it was something that they might've thrown out there. But just like every resume things get old and pointless to have on there after awhile
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Would be a pretty good class for Marquette if Ellenson goes there. Heldt looks like top 150 now and Noswoiak just inside top 100. Nice first class for Wojo.
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Why would Ellenson and Stone both declare their lists today? Coincidence? Special date?
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Izzo. Krzyzewski. Calipari. Calhoun. Boeheim. Ryan. Self. R. Williams. Smart. And, yes, Crean and B. Williams.
Just a handful of the dozens of highly successful current (or recent) coaches who never played college basketball at the elite level.
This is such an overrated dynamic. If it weren't, K and Cal wouldn't have top-10 recruiting classes every year.
Might it influence some recruits or please some players after a guy like Wojo arrives? Sure. But please. The list of great coaches who never played elite basketball is far longer than the list of great coaches who did. It's probably not even close.
FYI MU82 Boeheim played at Syracuse
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Would be a pretty good class for Marquette if Ellenson goes there. Heldt looks like top 150 now and Noswoiak just inside top 100. Nice first class for Wojo.
Not sure if this is an intentional downplay...but Heldt is 94 in the 247 composite which factors in all rankings. Noskowiak is 68.
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Wojo: Hey, Travis, I just read an article that some coaches use a drill with tackling dummies to toughen their team up. What do you think?
Outstanding!
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Why would Ellenson and Stone both declare their lists today? Coincidence? Special date?
Lol that is quite the coincidence I think
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Lol that is quite the coincidence I think
Technically, wasn't Ellenson on the 27th (although late) and Stone on the 28th?
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FYI MU82 Boeheim played at Syracuse
Not sure if it makes him "elite" but Boeheim was team captain in his senior year at SYracuse playing in the backcourt with Dave Bing (who MAY have been a bit more "elite") on a NCAA tournament team.
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Not sure if it makes him "elite" but Boeheim was team captain in his senior year at SYracuse playing in the backcourt with Dave Bing (who MAY have been a bit more "elite") on a NCAA tournament team.
Fair enough.
Although management regrets any inconvenience caused by its errors, we stand behind our overall thesis.
And we are 99.999999% sure that C.J. Fair and Tyler Ennis didn't choose Syracuse because Jim Boeheim was a team captain in 1965-66.
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Just talked to a friend connected in the basketball program. He said the coaching staff feels the same way we do about Ellenson, nearly a lock for him too commit. Just thought I'd pass along the good news!
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I'm not counting on anything until I hear it from H. E. himself...and maybe not even then.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 4m
It's still early, but have reason to believe Henry Ellenson is a slight lean to Marquette and Diamond Stone a slight lean to Wisconsin.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 4m
It's still early, but have reason to believe Henry Ellenson is a slight lean to Marquette and Diamond Stone a slight lean to Wisconsin.
How exactly do you get all these leans about where a player is going? Just curious.
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Was Shaka a slight lean to Marquette, too?
I'll believe it when he commits ... and then I'll really believe it when he actually signs the letter of intent, because I've seen commits de-commit.
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How exactly do you get all these leans about where a player is going? Just curious.
I'm not Mark Miller
He is the most connected guy in the state when it comes to prep basketball
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Was Shaka a slight lean to Marquette, too?
I'll believe it when he commits ... and then I'll really believe it when he actually signs the letter of intent, because I've seen commits de-commit.
He wasn't leaning, he was a done deal.....
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I'm not Mark Miller
He is the most connected guy in the state when it comes to prep basketball
Yes but I'm just wondering how he's so connected, does he speak to family's, actual players?
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Frequently, both the players and families don't have a clue 'til the very end. Hard to believe, but true.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 4m
It's still early, but have reason to believe Henry Ellenson is a slight lean to Marquette and Diamond Stone a slight lean to Wisconsin.
Wow. It's still early...a slight lean. Doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence.
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Wow. It's still early...a slight lean. Doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence.
If he is only a slight lean than we are not getting him.
Lets face it. Somehow UW will get Stone, and Ellenson will bolt for MSU.
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If he is only a slight lean than we are not getting him.
Lets face it. Somehow UW will get Stone, and Ellenson will bolt for MSU.
Thanks Eeyore.
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Henry could be waiting on a condition that haanif for someone of equivalent talent commits here so he's 100% confident there will be ample other elite talents around him
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I'm not sure I would classify Cheatham as "elite."
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Wow. It's still early...a slight lean. Doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence.
If he is only a slight lean than we are not getting him.
Lets face it. Somehow UW will get Stone, and Ellenson will bolt for MSU.
I think y'all are reading too much into the phrasing of a tweet. Just relax, his decision will come soon. By all indicators we are the clear favorite
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I'm not sure I would classify Cheatham as "elite."
Anyone in the top 100 is close to, and could turn out to be elite but it might be a little early to give him that recognition. He is a top tier talent though. Would be another great get for MU basketball. Our roster could be as good as anyone's in the country if we land Ellenson and Cheatham. Go get em' Wojo!
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Anyone in the top 100 is close to, and could turn out to be elite but it might be a little early to give him that recognition. He is a top tier talent though. Would be another great get for MU basketball. Our roster could be as good as anyone's in the country if we land Ellenson and Cheatham. Go get em' Wojo!
If Cheatham is "elite," then we already have an elite roster.
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Cheatham can be a very good player at Marquette and possesses a skill set that they currently don't have on the roster, including being a lefthander. He's a crafty scorer who can play 2, maybe 3 positions.
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Cheatham can be a very good player at Marquette and possesses a skill set that they currently don't have on the roster, including being a lefthander. He's a crafty scorer who can play 2, maybe 3 positions.
Oh I agree completely. But I don't think Ellenson is waiting for him to decide before he makes his own choice.