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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: mstang917 on August 27, 2014, 04:11:52 PM
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Interesting read
http://www.therunnersports.com/2014/08/27/todd-mayo-nba-journey/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=todd-mayo-nba-journey
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Thanks for that link. You are right - it is interesting.
Especially eye-opening were Mayo's comments about Buzz. As tough as Buzz was on him and as much as it seemed they clashed, Mayo clearly looked at Buzz as a father figure.
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Especially eye-opening were Mayo's comments about Buzz. As tough as Buzz was on him and as much as it seemed they clashed, Mayo clearly looked at Buzz as a father figure.
Just ask LW....
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Thanks for that link. You are right - it is interesting.
Especially eye-opening were Mayo's comments about Buzz. As tough as Buzz was on him and as much as it seemed they clashed, Mayo clearly looked at Buzz as a father figure.
Of course, he did get sent home that one summer because he did not have a relationship with Buzz.......a lot changed once his mom got involved.
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Just ask LW....
Ask him what? And in what city's unemployment line might we find him? I see Scott Pilarz is back working at the high school level - maybe he'll hire Larry.
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Thanks for that link. You are right - it is interesting.
Especially eye-opening were Mayo's comments about Buzz. As tough as Buzz was on him and as much as it seemed they clashed, Mayo clearly looked at Buzz as a father figure.
Hold on. I was told repeatedly that Buzz "mind-f*cked" him. Maybe it is a Stockholm syndrome kind of thing...
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Hold the Mayo.
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Didn't Mayo say "it was a needed change" when Buzz left?
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Hold on. I was told repeatedly that Buzz "mind-f*cked" him. Maybe it is a Stockholm syndrome kind of thing...
Well, of course he says nice things about. Buzz - if he doesn't, his PT this year will be....oh, that's right - never mind.
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Let me know when Todd goes back and finishes his MU degree.
Did that article say Todd is OJ Mayo's bro? Had no idea. ::)
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I'm going to miss broadcasters telling us that Todd is the brother of OJ Mayo. That never got old.
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Wish him well. Hope he lands somewhere and gets some playing time.
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Hold on. I was told repeatedly that Buzz "mind-f*cked" him. Maybe it is a Stockholm syndrome kind of thing...
LOL. Another nice offering Sultan. Regarding Todd's quotes in the article - did you not also notice the quote where he said "in college I expected to be on the floor." Do you feel 23 minutes a game and playing behind a guy who couldn't make a 2point FG to save his life was really satisfying Todd? Or in Todd's head he didn't feel he deserved to be on the floor more last season?
I'm sure Todd respects Buzz. That does not mean that he liked the way Buzz coached him last year, or perhaps years prior. We all know an assistant coach encouraged Todd to go to Buzz and ask for more playing time. Todd also said it was probably best for the coaching change to take place at the time Buzz left. Additionally, Todd leaving MU, largely is due to Wojo not giving Todd the impression that the offense would be run through him...and Wojo not wanting to deal with Todd.
So, by virtue of Todd saying nice things about Buzz - that doesn't mean he liked the way he was coached under Buzz - and the odd way in which Todd "left" - not declaring for the draft - but then just "deciding" in the middle of the summer he wasn't coming back - needed to be explained in some way. Much like Buzz needed to explain his rationale for going to VaTech - as it didn't make a lot of sense on the surface.
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I'm going to miss broadcasters telling us that Todd is the brother of OJ Mayo. That never got old.
And often times it was...NBA STAR OJ Mayo (who was getting DNP's with the Bucks)
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Didn't Mayo say "it was a needed change" when Buzz left?
Yes...he did...care to comment Sultan/Lenny?
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His loyalty to Buzz meant that if Buzz stayed, Mayo would have stayed. "It was time for a change" so he could move on personally without any guilt.
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His loyalty to Buzz meant that if Buzz stayed, Mayo would have stayed. "It was time for a change" so he could move on personally without any guilt.
LOL - Todd Mayo's quote about "It was time for a change and probably for the best," was specifically with regard to Buzz leaving, and the coaching change...at the time of the coaching change. Had nothing to do with Todd being able to move on personally without any guilt.
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Bumstead was the only dude who would have him----barely.
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Appreciate what Todd did,wished he had a bigger role but luckily we had a all american SG playing 37mpg ;). Good luck Todd
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LOL - Todd Mayo's quote about "It was time for a change and probably for the best," was specifically with regard to Buzz leaving, and the coaching change...at the time of the coaching change. Had nothing to do with Todd being able to move on personally without any guilt.
Todd professed his personal loyalty to Buzz. He said that since the people who recruited him were gone, he felt it was time to move on. He also said that it was time for a change. Please, for the love of all that is holy, do not make this another 3 thousand post crusade.
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Todd professed his personal loyalty to Buzz. He said that since the people who recruited him were gone, he felt it was time to move on. He also said that it was time for a change. Please, for the love of all that is holy, do not make this another 3 thousand post crusade.
Todd basically had to save some kind of face for essentially being asked to leave the program...what is he supposed to say? Kind of just like Buzz had to come up with some B.S. reasons for why VaTech. I loved Mayo as a player...from all reports though sounds like he was very high maintenance. Point was, that if you were going to keep him around...why not maximize his minutes/talent..since you are paying the price of having to deal with some of the issues that came along with Todd? Nobody in their right mind for one second would think Jake Thomas is a better basketball player than Todd.
And as for 3 thousand post crusade - no worries - never would have been necessary all of last season had you and 5 others relented at some point after we got game and game and game of data showing us we were going to suck if nothing changed in our backcourt. But instead you and the 5 others continued on saying Buzz's teams always get better, blah, blah, blah. NOne of Buzz's other teams ever played 4 on 5. In reality...that starting lineup Buzz rolled out was more like playing 1 on 5 on the offensive end.
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Todd has no reason to save with Buzz. According to you, everything else he said was true, but anything praising Buzz was a lie. I had nothing to do with your posts last year. I had you on ignore from approximately the second week of January through Buzz leaving town. I saw what you wrote when it was quoted. That is all. I saw things differently than you. I don't take it personally. Why is so important that everyone be completely lockstep with you on a fansite? And why do you make it an obsession when they don't?
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You need help.
I'm not the one with a distorted sense of reality regarding what was going on last season with Buzz..and his coaching decisions. I mean we just got Value Add data that showed the guy who played more minutes than any other player on the team was a 0.00 value add. It sucks to have to pile on Derrick - should probably have just put you and the others on ignore all last season when it was clear you guys simply didn't get it...and apparently still don't..or are too prideful to acknowledge the flawed ways of your thinking last season.
Thank God we have this season to look forward to, and what I anticipate will be a solid coaching job, with a consistent rotation developed, and no more hyper manic subbing.
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I always thought more players should take the dleague and Europe approach. 160k in education is not worth it you don't get a degree, or you get a lower level (career prospect wise) without any experience. Take the 30k a year and play professionally if that's all you are looking to do with your life.
That said I think it's pretty obvious there is more to this story as to why mayo left besides loyalty to buzz.
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LOL. Another nice offering Sultan. Regarding Todd's quotes in the article - did you not also notice the quote where he said "in college I expected to be on the floor." Do you feel 23 minutes a game and playing behind a guy who couldn't make a 2point FG to save his life was really satisfying Todd? Or in Todd's head he didn't feel he deserved to be on the floor more last season?
I'm sure Todd respects Buzz. That does not mean that he liked the way Buzz coached him last year, or perhaps years prior. We all know an assistant coach encouraged Todd to go to Buzz and ask for more playing time. Todd also said it was probably best for the coaching change to take place at the time Buzz left. Additionally, Todd leaving MU, largely is due to Wojo not giving Todd the impression that the offense would be run through him...and Wojo not wanting to deal with Todd.
So, by virtue of Todd saying nice things about Buzz - that doesn't mean he liked the way he was coached under Buzz - and the odd way in which Todd "left" - not declaring for the draft - but then just "deciding" in the middle of the summer he wasn't coming back - needed to be explained in some way. Much like Buzz needed to explain his rationale for going to VaTech - as it didn't make a lot of sense on the surface.
It really is awesome that a minor response just springs you into action. I really shouldn't get such a perverse joy out of your over-the-top responses, but I just can't help myself.
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I'm going to miss broadcasters telling us that Todd is the brother of OJ Mayo. That never got old.
Oh, and did you hear that Otule has a glass eye?
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Let's not kid ourselves. Todd was shown to door. It's too bad, because he was talented. Also sad, because it took him too long to really figure IT out.
I really wish Todd well.
In the article, Todd made a reference about learning. We've heard that before. Let's hope he is sincere this time.
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why did he wait so long to leave MU?
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It really is awesome that a minor response just springs you into action. I really shouldn't get such a perverse joy out of your over-the-top responses, but I just can't help myself.
LOL - And once again you can't comment or rebut the post I made. Should we re-visit your same futile attempt to passive aggressively attack me - such asthe Value Add article from Bama?
Ironically, I find a perverse joy in how frequently the content of your posts is straight up foot in the mouth material.
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Todd Mayo owes me a Beer.... Because I spit mine out reading him compare himself to Damian Lillard.....
Ha ha no way.
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Let's not kid ourselves. Todd was shown to door. It's too bad, because he was talented. Also sad, because it took him too long to really figure IT out.
I really wish Todd well.
In the article, Todd made a reference about learning. We've heard that before. Let's hope he is sincere this time.
......I'd say he opened the door, had his upper torso out and one leg well before it got to that point.
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Ask him what? And in what city's unemployment line might we find him? I see Scott Pilarz is back working at the high school level - maybe he'll hire Larry.
Oh, LW is doing just fine in the consulting realm right now.
Asking LW about a number of things with the past staff is a chance to get around the fire, have a hot apple cider, enjoy some marshmellows and smores, and tell horror stories with the flashlight.....
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LOL - And once again you can't comment or rebut the post I made. Should we re-visit your same futile attempt to passive aggressively attack me - such asthe Value Add article from Bama?
Ironically, I find a perverse joy in how frequently the content of your posts is straight up foot in the mouth material.
Is this the same attitude that caused BMA to leave?
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why did he wait so long to leave MU?
He had no other option.
Buzz knew he was a bad seed. But given his age and after Huggins backed off, Huggs steered him to MU, because Buzz and Huggs were two peas in a pod.....yes hugs backed off Todd....despite what was reported....despite the WV on his arm....and despite Huggs typically compromising all standards.
Huggs had influence on mom.. He steered OJ from WV to NCH (north college hill) in cincy. He steered Todd to MU as a favor to Buzz.
Buzz knew Todd would be trapped if he came to MU. That was his pitch to AD. The biggest surprise is his loyalty to buzz because buzz screwed him when he left. He knows he has no legit option in D1. Buzz soured on him though.
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I have a kilt like that. I don't wear it with my sperrys, though.
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I have a kilt like that. I don't wear it with my sperrys, though.
Since you wear a kilt do you wear socks with your Topsiders?
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Mayo never had so much fun fookin' himself, aina?
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He had no other option.
Buzz knew he was a bad seed. But given his age and after Huggins backed off, Huggs steered him to MU, because Buzz and Huggs were two peas in a pod.....yes hugs backed off Todd....despite what was reported....despite the WV on his arm....and despite Huggs typically compromising all standards.
Huggs had influence on mom.. He steered OJ from WV to NCH (north college hill) in cincy. He steered Todd to MU as a favor to Buzz.
Buzz knew Todd would be trapped if he came to MU. That was his pitch to AD. The biggest surprise is his loyalty to buzz because buzz screwed him when he left. He knows he has no legit option in D1. Buzz soured on him though.
It must be a miserable world that u live in.
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Asking LW about a number of things with the past staff is a chance to get around the fire, have a hot apple cider, enjoy some marshmellows and smores, and tell horror stories with the flashlight.....
Only if someone is predisposed to believe the musings of a bitter guy canned for cause after the briefest stint as athletic director in MU history.
I do smile at the picture you paint, though - you and LW under a nice warm blankie, appetites (for food, anyway) sated by roasted weenies and marshmellows. Scott Pilarz nearby, reading aloud the romantic poetry of Robert and Elizabeth Barrett Browning....your eyes as wide as saucers, you turn to LW and ask:
"Did you really go to Notre Dame? And play football there?" He smiles, nods, squeezes your hand, "And in the NFL". Your head now spinning, "Tell me about the famous people you've met - I live to name drop". His brow furrows, "Probably the most famous was Buzz Williams, the popular and successful basketball coach. Yeah, he was popular, alright. Successful, too, but I was his BOSS, dammit! Here's this freakin' hick who went to a junior college and got his masters at Oklahoma frackin' City and the SOB wouldn't kiss my ND ring. Can you believe it!?" "I'll kiss your ring", you coo. "Later. First, let me make up, er, tell you some stories about the bad man who got me fired". "I'm all ears, Larry - Scott, give the poetry a freakin' rest, would you?"
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Only if someone is predisposed to believe the musings of a bitter guy canned for cause after the briefest stint as athletic director in MU history.
I do smile at the picture you paint, though - you and LW under a nice warm blankie, appetites (for food, anyway) sated by roasted weenies and marshmellows. Scott Pilarz nearby, reading aloud the romantic poetry of Robert and Elizabeth Barrett Browning....your eyes as wide as saucers, you turn to LW and ask:
"Did you really go to Notre Dame? And play football there?" He smiles, nods, squeezes your hand, "And in the NFL". Your head now spinning, "Tell me about the famous people you've met - I live to name drop". His brow furrows, "Probably the most famous was Buzz Williams, the popular and successful basketball coach. Yeah, he was popular, alright. Successful, too, but I was his BOSS, dammit! Here's this freakin' hick who went to a junior college and got his masters at Oklahoma frackin' City and the SOB wouldn't kiss my ND ring. Can you believe it!?" "I'll kiss your ring", you coo. "Later. First, let me make up, er, tell you some stories about the bad man who got me fired". "I'm all ears, Larry - Scott, give the poetry a freakin' rest, would you?"
Thank you for an entertaining morning read. Well done.
Chicos - How about you just flat out say what you have to say about Larry and his dealings with Buzz. Let's hear all the dirty secrets. If they are true, it isn't libel - so why not share with the rest of the Scoop community all you know/knew about how shady Buzz was (in your view.)
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Only if someone is predisposed to believe the musings of a bitter guy canned for cause after the briefest stint as athletic director in MU history.
I do smile at the picture you paint, though - you and LW under a nice warm blankie, appetites (for food, anyway) sated by roasted weenies and marshmellows. Scott Pilarz nearby, reading aloud the romantic poetry of Robert and Elizabeth Barrett Browning....your eyes as wide as saucers, you turn to LW and ask:
"Did you really go to Notre Dame? And play football there?" He smiles, nods, squeezes your hand, "And in the NFL". Your head now spinning, "Tell me about the famous people you've met - I live to name drop". His brow furrows, "Probably the most famous was Buzz Williams, the popular and successful basketball coach. Yeah, he was popular, alright. Successful, too, but I was his BOSS, dammit! Here's this freakin' hick who went to a junior college and got his masters at Oklahoma frackin' City and the SOB wouldn't kiss my ND ring. Can you believe it!?" "I'll kiss your ring", you coo. "Later. First, let me make up, er, tell you some stories about the bad man who got me fired". "I'm all ears, Larry - Scott, give the poetry a freakin' rest, would you?"
sounds like chicos early days with tommy, until it all soured when tommy would no longer give him the pleasure of a reach around and dissed his choices in beer.
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Thank you for an entertaining morning read. Well done.
Chicos - How about you just flat out say what you have to say about Larry and his dealings with Buzz. Let's hear all the dirty secrets. If they are true, it isn't libel - so why not share with the rest of the Scoop community all you know/knew about how shady Buzz was (in your view.)
It's much more fun watching Lenny and others hang themselves with their comments and then watching the gymnastics of untying themselves or totally going silent. Give a little rope to them, watch them get all their panties in a wad and hang themselves with it is much more enjoyable. The amount of malformed information on LW alone here is enough to make one shake their head, but that doesn't stop them from introducing narratives that would make Josh Shaw proud. For example, reading comments about MU not being sued and the defense of various people's actions are always a delight, especially when they are said with such confidence and are 100% false....truly something to behold. Many people either not knowing what happened, or flat out ignoring it and pushing their version to protect what...a memory? Let them push it, and then let the facts come in and set them straight.
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It's much more fun watching Lenny and others hang themselves with their comments and then watching the gymnastics of untying themselves or totally going silent. Give a little rope to them, watch them get all their panties in a wad and hang themselves with it is much more enjoyable. The amount of malformed information on LW alone here is enough to make one shake their head, but that doesn't stop them from introducing narratives that would make Josh Shaw proud. For example, reading comments about MU not being sued and the defense of various people's actions are always a delight, especially when they are said with such confidence and are 100% false....truly something to behold. Many people either not knowing what happened, or flat out ignoring it and pushing their version to protect what...a memory? Let them push it, and then let the facts come in and set them straight.
In other words, you don't really know. You just like to brag about what you know but won't share.
Reminds me of when I was 12 and claimed to have a girlfriend in California.
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Reminds me of when I was 12 and claimed to have a girlfriend in California.
Was she hot???
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Reading this board is more dramatic than watching a Spanish soap opera
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In other words, you don't really know. You just like to brag about what you know but won't share.
You've nailed it. The emperor has no clothes.
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But he can name drop the names of 5 great designers and 2 really good tailors.
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Only if someone is predisposed to believe the musings of a bitter guy canned for cause after the briefest stint as athletic director in MU history.
I do smile at the picture you paint, though - you and LW under a nice warm blankie, appetites (for food, anyway) sated by roasted weenies and marshmellows. Scott Pilarz nearby, reading aloud the romantic poetry of Robert and Elizabeth Barrett Browning....your eyes as wide as saucers, you turn to LW and ask:
"Did you really go to Notre Dame? And play football there?" He smiles, nods, squeezes your hand, "And in the NFL". Your head now spinning, "Tell me about the famous people you've met - I live to name drop". His brow furrows, "Probably the most famous was Buzz Williams, the popular and successful basketball coach. Yeah, he was popular, alright. Successful, too, but I was his BOSS, dammit! Here's this freakin' hick who went to a junior college and got his masters at Oklahoma frackin' City and the SOB wouldn't kiss my ND ring. Can you believe it!?" "I'll kiss your ring", you coo. "Later. First, let me make up, er, tell you some stories about the bad man who got me fired". "I'm all ears, Larry - Scott, give the poetry a freakin' rest, would you?"
Wow, simply a masterpiece!
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In other words, you don't really know. You just like to brag about what you know but won't share.
Reminds me of when I was 12 and claimed to have a girlfriend in California.
Funny, a few months ago when I hinted here that Mayo wouldn't be back, the same type of charges were made.
Hmm.....how did that work out?
There's a thing about protecting sources and contacts, but whatever.
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You've nailed it. The emperor has no clothes.
From the guy that claims we weren't sued...oops. Wrong. Hell, some of the people piling on here that still claim the basketball team wasn't involved in the sexual assaults.
I can sleep at night easily, you just keep shooting blanks and pretending to know what you don't know. It is comical.....nothing better than giving you the rope to hang yourself with.
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Funny, a few months ago when I hinted here that Mayo wouldn't be back, the same type of charges were made.
Hmm.....how did that work out?
There's a thing about protecting sources and contacts, but whatever.
Normally I defend you. But I know that mayo had a clean slate at the start of the summer. He is no longer here because of fresh transgressions.
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In other words, you don't really know. You just like to brag about what you know but won't share.
Reminds me of when I was 12 and claimed to have a girlfriend in California.
So YOU'RE Mante Te'o!
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Todd Mayo: "I felt like in college, I felt like I should’ve been on the court, that’s how I felt."
But daddy Buzz held you back, son.
He held you back.
riiiiiiggggghhhhhtt
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Todd Mayo: "I felt like in college, I felt like I should’ve been on the court, that’s how I felt."
But daddy Buzz held you back, son.
He held you back.
riiiiiiggggghhhhhtt
If Thomas hadn't started and got 35 mpg Todd May still be here .
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If Thomas hadn't started and got 35 mpg Todd May still be here .
I'm pretty sure playing time wasnt the issue
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I'm pretty sure playing time wasnt the issue
Possibly but Todd should have started. I got the feeling he was a 2cd option for buzz
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Possibly but Todd should have started. I got the feeling he was a 2cd option for buzz
My guess is that mayo woulda started if he cut down on the extra curriculars
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There were no transgressions. There was nothing.
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There's a thing about protecting sources and contacts, but whatever.
So now you're what, a journalist? A private eye? A corporate investigator?
You're a piece of work, Chicos.
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There were no transgressions. There was nothing.
Mayo off the court? Not true.
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I see Scott Pilarz is back working at the high school level - maybe he'll hire Larry.
The cream always rises
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I can sleep at night easily
Wow. YOU think YOU'RE swell. Color me shocked.
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$50,000 each to Blue and Mayo end of story. Lw was right. Buzz cheated with Dick Strong.
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There were no transgressions. There was nothing.
That is not a position I would try to stick to...
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Normally I defend you. But I know that mayo had a clean slate at the start of the summer. He is no longer here because of fresh transgressions.
Yup. He just decided not to take classes with the rest of the team for the 2nd session of summer classes, went down to Chicago for nearly a month without telling anyone or responding to any attempts to contact him, and then just showed back up as if nothing was wrong.
Hold the Mayo.
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Only if someone is predisposed to believe the musings of a bitter guy canned for cause after the briefest stint as athletic director in MU history.
I do smile at the picture you paint, though - you and LW under a nice warm blankie, appetites (for food, anyway) sated by roasted weenies and marshmellows. Scott Pilarz nearby, reading aloud the romantic poetry of Robert and Elizabeth Barrett Browning....your eyes as wide as saucers, you turn to LW and ask:
"Did you really go to Notre Dame? And play football there?" He smiles, nods, squeezes your hand, "And in the NFL". Your head now spinning, "Tell me about the famous people you've met - I live to name drop". His brow furrows, "Probably the most famous was Buzz Williams, the popular and successful basketball coach. Yeah, he was popular, alright. Successful, too, but I was his BOSS, dammit! Here's this freakin' hick who went to a junior college and got his masters at Oklahoma frackin' City and the SOB wouldn't kiss my ND ring. Can you believe it!?" "I'll kiss your ring", you coo. "Later. First, let me make up, er, tell you some stories about the bad man who got me fired". "I'm all ears, Larry - Scott, give the poetry a freakin' rest, would you?"
We are not worthy!
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Was she hot???
Of ourse she was--just like Teo's imaginary girlfriend.
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So now you're what, a journalist? A private eye? A corporate investigator?
You're a piece of work, Chicos.
Uhm, no. I have friends, colleagues, etc over at the university. I don't wish to share it publicly...that should not be hard to understand. When I do put something out there, like Mayo will likely not be around, I get attacked....then when Mayo isn't around you guys go silent...no apologies, etc. When I tell you the mood of the personnel around Burt for the last few years, capt underpants Lenny is fit to be tied....the poster over his bed is somehow been attacked. Now, I get it if what I was saying wasn't true, but it is true and later verified here by other sources. Remember, it's not what is said here, it is who says the what.
I try to lead some of you to water without posting the exact route. There are other things that I simply will not state no matter what. I'm sorry if you don't like that, but it is something I have to weigh on my end. The bigger issue is that some of you don't want to hear the info because you don't like the info, so it's easier to attack the messenger. Oh well. Lenny fits the mold to a tee.
Bert is doing a smart job of late of not saying stupid things about his former conference, program, etc. In the long run, that will serve him well for his own career on several levels. Now, if you can't get a whiff of what that means without me having to put it in neon lights for you, well I'm sorry. There are more than a few people that get it and know what I'm talking about. I'm not your Rosetta Stone.
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That is not a position I would try to stick to...
I always love the lawyer take for situations like these where there are "no transgressions", but just in case here is a large sum of money as a result of those non transgressions because they were imaginary and we like to pay people just in case.
I hear Kobe had no transgressions in Denver, but just decided to pay a large sum of money to a female employee cuz he was feeling generous.
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We are not worthy!
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Thanks, Crash. Any compliment from the hands down most gifted writer on the board is very much appreciated.
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Remember, it's not what is said here, it is who says the what.
couldn't agree more. i often wonder why people that often have good thoughts/info can't figure out ways to communicate without coming off poorly to the majority. almost like they enjoy the attention or relish that role of pissing people off. many posters on this site with just as much info don't seem to have that issue as much as you.
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This was on Twitter yesterday. More quotes from Mayo...
https://twitter.com/TylerRickyTynes (https://twitter.com/TylerRickyTynes)
Also, Mr. Tynes said the Big East schedule was a week away, last Wednesday.
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This was on Twitter yesterday. More quotes from Mayo...
https://twitter.com/TylerRickyTynes (https://twitter.com/TylerRickyTynes)
Also, Mr. Tynes said the Big East schedule was a week away, last Wednesday.
In some ways, I feel bad in that one quote, that Buzz always said he had to be perfect. There is the pursuit of perfection, but when perfection stifles growth it can be an impediment. An athlete trying to be perfect and thinking about perfection all the time can cause them to be robotic. It's like thinking through every part of your golf swing instead of doing. I'm all for the pursuit, but its not a one size fits all and can work against some people.
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I was told by someone VERY close to the program that Mayo was the worst human being to ever play at Marquette. Believe or not, I trust my friend. There were some bad things going on during Buzz's time and LW was not the devil some have made him out to be.
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I was told by someone VERY close to the program that Mayo was the worst human being to ever play at Marquette. Believe or not, I trust my friend. There were some bad things going on during Buzz's time and LW was not the devil some have made him out to be.
I think I know what your talking about. If it has to do with how Mayo was recruited then I for sure know what you are talking about.
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I was told by someone VERY close to the program that Mayo was the worst human being to ever play at Marquette. Believe or not, I trust my friend. There were some bad things going on during Buzz's time and LW was not the devil some have made him out to be.
Oh no you didn't.....the Lenny posse is going to come down on you now. For the record, those are pretty harsh words about TM, all in the eye of the beholder. The last sentence....well, many people don't want to hear it, but.....
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Amazing how some posters can make salacious allegations about those who have left the program. If one won't or can't back up those allegations in "print", perhaps it's better to be silent... :-\
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I think I know what your talking about. If it has to do with how Mayo was recruited then I for sure know what you are talking about.
Care to share with the class?
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I was told by someone VERY close to the program that Mayo was the worst human being to ever play at Marquette. Believe or not, I trust my friend. There were some bad things going on during Buzz's time and LW was not the devil some have made him out to be.
I, for one, would very much enjoy knowing what you speak of
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I honestly don't know everything. I was just told that he was not a very good representative of Marquette . That appears to be an understatement. I am pretty sure that there are some reading this from inside the program that would agree with me. I probably should not have used the phrase that I did...that is what I was told but it is pretty harsh. Delete it if needed.
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While I like to hear all the gory details, I think it best that the details be kept off the board.
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LW was not the devil some have made him out to be.
Whether Buzz was a fraud or the real deal, whether Mayo left in disgrace or simply made a business decision, none of those things affect the following:
(1) LW's complete inability to connect with the Marquette BOT and the big MU donors;
(2) LW's public comments (whether warranted or not) about Marquette's head coach wherein he criticized him in a newspaper;
(3) LW's overall lack of gravitas and appearance of professionalism.
These are the main reasons LW was shown the door. LW was instrumental in pulling Marquette through the Big East fall apart and had a decent role in the formation of the New Big East. He certainly did some things right and was effective at times. That said, LW wasn't polished enough for Marquette's AD position and it showed. MU reached when they hired LW and they suffered the consequences.
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Whether Buzz was a fraud or the real deal, whether Mayo left in disgrace or simply made a business decision, none of those things affect the following:
(1) LW's complete inability to connect with the Marquette BOT and the big MU donors;
(2) LW's public comments (whether warranted or not) about Marquette's head coach wherein he criticized him in a newspaper;
(3) LW's overall lack of gravitas and appearance of professionalism.
These are the main reasons LW was shown the door. LW was instrumental in pulling Marquette through the Big East fall apart and had a decent role in the formation of the New Big East. He certainly did some things right and was effective at times. That said, LW wasn't polished enough for Marquette's AD position and it showed. MU reached when they hired LW and they suffered the consequences.
The public comments about Buzz should have been seen as prescient to most people here.
Do you think Cords is polished enough? I'm a fan of his, but people have different definitions of polished. Some people hate over polished people as coming across as fake, or like politicians. Others don't like blunt speakers and call them unpolished, when in reality they just tell it like it is. There are grey areas for all of this.
I'm not going to disagree with #1, there is truth to it. Number 2 is a red herring.....far more could have been said and what was said was benign. The defenders of Burt lost their collective minds, but if the defenders of Burt knew the whole story they would be asking for a mea culpa.
#3....that goes back to the polished commentary.
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The public comments about Buzz should have been seen as prescient to most people here.
Do you think Cords is polished enough? I'm a fan of his, but people have different definitions of polished. Some people hate over polished people as coming across as fake, or like politicians. Others don't like blunt speakers and call them unpolished, when in reality they just tell it like it is. There are grey areas for all of this.
I'm not going to disagree with #1, there is truth to it. Number 2 is a red herring.....far more could have been said and what was said was benign. The defenders of Burt lost their collective minds, but if the defenders of Burt knew the whole story they would be asking for a mea culpa.
#3....that goes back to the polished commentary.
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It very well could be argued that because of #2, LW was never really given a fair shot. It seems to me that he did some good work later on with regarding to helping MU and the new Big East, and his latter interviews were much more polished than the earlier ones.
That being said, #1 was big...big enough to lose his job. And since a new President was going to be named, it was probably best that MU went with a fresh start.
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#2 - The public comments about Buzz were foolish and showed a remarkable lack of organizational understanding and leadership. Whatever the pissing match between Buzz and LW may have been, and regardless of who was more in the right in the "whole story" situation, Buzz never aired the grievances publicly (until he left MU, of course).
#1 and #3 go hand in hand. And, unfortunately, the same lack of awareness and leadership that created #2 are what made #1 and #3 so obviously present in LW's tenure.
Trust me when I tell you that #2 did not affect LW's complete inability to politic in the proper manner with the BOT and the major donors. The big players behind the MU curtain couldn't care less about #2. But, #2 was another piece of evidence exemplifying LW's lack of leadership skills from a fundraising and politicking point of view.
Let's face it; the AD at a major university with a strong athletic presence can't just be good at directing the athletics. He has to be the face of the department. He has to know when to kiss rings and know how to kiss rings. LW had none of that charm or gravitas and whether you like it or not, same is required once you get to that level.
You can't be a major level AD and not know how to play the game. LW did not know how to play the game.
EDIT: As a side note, LW will never receive enough credit for some of the good things he did. That said, he was, in many ways, a bumbling Neanderthal when it came to slimier side of the business.
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At the very least, the dude shoulda had enough sense not to wear a salt stained golf hat on national TV, aina?
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#2 - The public comments about Buzz were foolish and showed a remarkable lack of organizational understanding and leadership. Whatever the pissing match between Buzz and LW may have been, and regardless of who was more in the right in the "whole story" situation, Buzz never aired the grievances publicly (until he left MU, of course).
#1 and #3 go hand in hand. And, unfortunately, the same lack of awareness and leadership that created #2 are what made #1 and #3 so obviously present in LW's tenure.
Trust me when I tell you that #2 did not affect LW's complete inability to politic in the proper manner with the BOT and the major donors. The big players behind the MU curtain couldn't care less about #2. But, #2 was another piece of evidence exemplifying LW's lack of leadership skills from a fundraising and politicking point of view.
Let's face it; the AD at a major university with a strong athletic presence can't just be good at directing the athletics. He has to be the face of the department. He has to know when to kiss rings and know how to kiss rings. LW had none of that charm or gravitas and whether you like it or not, same is required once you get to that level.
You can't be a major level AD and not know how to play the game. LW did not know how to play the game.
EDIT: As a side note, LW will never receive enough credit for some of the good things he did. That said, he was, in many ways, a bumbling Neanderthal when it came to slimier side of the business.
I agree with your overall analysis as to LW. He simply did not have the political IQ to handle the job properly . His personality simply was not one that would accept the reality at Marquette the AD/Coach relationship is inverted or at best pari passu. Also I did not see a lot of evidence that he was focused on the development of student athletes. Although it may have been too short a tenure to judge that aspect.
I do believe he was a driving force behind the formation and terms of the new Big East and that was to our benefit. I think he would have done a good job of negotiating our relationship with a new arena going forward.
Very grateful Mr. Cords came back when he did. I had some very good conversations with him about his insights on the Wojo decision In particular I liked how he described his perception that Cuonzo was running from something at Tennessee versus Wojo wanting to be here and understanding and embracing our tradition. Cords also understands and embraces what it takes for student athletes to be successful and I think that was his primary mission.
Looking forward to a high quality AD going forward.
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if the defenders of Burt knew the whole story they would be asking for a mea culpa.
Are you talking about the Bert sh1t in the bowl story? If word of that leaked the whole thing would have gone right down the toilet!
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I agree with your overall analysis as to LW. He simply did not have the political IQ to handle the job properly . His personality simply was not one that would accept the reality at Marquette the AD/Coach relationship is inverted or at best pari passu. Also I did not see a lot of evidence that he was focused on the development of student athletes. Although it may have been too short a tenure to judge that aspect.
I do believe he was a driving force behind the formation and terms of the new Big East and that was to our benefit. I think he would have done a good job of negotiating our relationship with a new arena going forward.
Very grateful Mr. Cords came back when he did. I had some very good conversations with him about his insights on the Wojo decision In particular I liked how he described his perception that Cuonzo was running from something at Tennessee versus Wojo wanting to be here and understanding and embracing our tradition. Cords also understands and embraces what it takes for student athletes to be successful and I think that was his primary mission.
Looking forward to a high quality AD going forward.
The process is already underway. I'm aware of two that had phone interviews in the last month, both outstanding people.
Disagree with you and Cam on the political IQ stuff. Remember, he reported to a President that was his boss and one cannot ignore that part of the story and the charter that he was given. He was asked to put a clamp on some of the nonsense.....that rubbed some people wrong, but these are some people that have the attitude of just win baby and don't care about anything else. LW did care about a few other things around the integrity of the program he was overseeing. An unfortunate mix of oil and water for some folks.
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Are you talking about the Bert sh1t in the bowl story? If word of that leaked the whole thing would have gone right down the toilet!
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I have never used teal yet. Such an odd convention. Who came up with that? Jonathan Swift?
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Obviously that town has a Krispy Kreme.
I love Santa wearing flip flops. What the hell is his role? To climb down chimneys in Hostage situations?
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Obviously that town has a Krispy Kreme.
I love Santa wearing flip flops. What the hell is his role? To climb down chimneys in Hostage situations?
Ha! I missed that guy due to the general lack of any diversity.
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Obviously that town has a Krispy Kreme.
I love Santa wearing flip flops. What the hell is his role? To climb down chimneys in Hostage situations?
It appears Santa is in a walking boot.
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At the very least, the dude shoulda had enough sense not to wear a salt stained golf hat on national TV, aina?
Larry Williams WAS an athletic director. Now he's a "consultant" Epic fail.