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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Windyplayer on July 15, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
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The misinformation about our program during this offseason has been appalling.
http://dukereport.com/alumni/jabari-wojo-wholl-better-milwaukee/dsmith/ (http://dukereport.com/alumni/jabari-wojo-wholl-better-milwaukee/dsmith/)
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Idk, what do you really expect from a Duke fan? They've had Coach K around forever and always have a stable of five star players coming in; anything else looks like problem areas from their perspective.
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True. But if you're that biased then why bother writing articles?
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This is a pretty fantastic lede:
"Fans of Wayne’s World and/or Alice Cooper will know that Milwaukee is an Algonquin name meaning, “The Good Land.” Unfortunately for fans of the Milwaukee Bucks and/or Marquette University, the basketball landscape has been anything but good."
That is just good writing.
Let's try to beat it. I'll go with: "The Violent Femmes, from MIlwaukee, once sang "Good Feeling." Unfortunately for Bucks and/or MU, the feelings in Milwaukee have not been so good, when it comes to basketball."
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Happy Days was filmed in Milwaukee but fans of the Bucks, or of Marquette, have not known many happy days recently but things are about to change thanks to Duke and our former Blue Devils who have sent Jabari Parker and Steve Wojowhoisyourhouse to them for hopefully happier days on the shores of Lake Michigan.
Is that good writing there?
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Yes, clever writing, but inaccurate. NCAAs 7 out of 8 years, 2 sweet 16s and an elite 8.
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Yes, clever writing, but in accurate. NCAAs 7 out of 8 years, 2 sweet 16s and an elite 8.
Or 10/13 ncaas with a final four, elite 8 and couple of sweet 16s.
It's possible they hold a higher standard of what's good but that's the only thing I can fathom.
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Why even bother to acknowledge this?
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The main point I got out of the article is that a former Duke star and 15-year Duke assistant coach can get his name misspelled by the Duke faithful.
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"Milwaukee is home to Arty Bremer, infamous--or perhaps heralded--for his attempted assassination of George Wallace and Jeffrey Dahmer, serial killer who is often referred to as the 'Milwaukee Cannibal.' Unfortunately, Marquette won't be slaying the competition this year and will need to feast on competition outside their conference."
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Why even bother to acknowledge this?
It was the one article that popped up on my Google Alerts for Marquette so naturally I felt compelled to read it and then dissect it.
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http://dukereport.com/fantake/top-ten-reasons-james-michael-mcadoo-going-pro/dsmith/
This is his other article. The guys clearly a fan who wants attention. This is bleacherreport for just duke fans.
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"Milwaukee is home to Arty Bremer, infamous--or perhaps heralded--for his attempted assassination of George Wallace and Jeffrey Dahmer
Wait, what? Bremer attempted to assassinate Dahmer?!
that would be about right for that link
(Milwaukee, also the site of a failed attempt on Teddy Roosevelt)
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Milwaukee is home to Harley Davidson. Unfortunately, Marquette will not be riding high on the hog throughout next season when Dule alum Wojo takes the helm for the Golden Eagles.
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Fans of the NBA and basketball know that Durham is the home to legendary coach Mike Krzyzewski and has produced players such as Grant Hill and Erik Meek. Unfortunately for fans of the NBA (sorry, no major team there) and/or Duke University, continuous Top 25 recruiting classes (and 7 burger boys) in the past three years have led to two quick exits in the NCAA tournament. And for true basketball enthusiasts, college basketball was non-existent on Duke's campus until 1980 when Coach K stepped onto it.
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Fans of the NBA and basketball know that Durham is the home to legendary coach Mike Krzyzewski and has produced players such as Grant Hill and Erik Meek. Unfortunately for fans of the NBA (sorry, no major team there) and/or Duke University, continuous Top 25 recruiting classes (and 7 burger boys) in the past three years have led to two quick exits in the NCAA tournament. And for true basketball enthusiasts, college basketball was non-existent on Duke's campus until 1980 when Coach K stepped onto it.
Not to be nitpicky but they did have 4 final fours (two time losing in the championship) before coach K. I mean for all of our history we don't have 4 final fours.
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Not to be nitpicky but they did have 4 final fours (two time losing in the championship) before coach K. I mean for all of our history we don't have 4 final fours.
Burger boys. You can only do so much with the talent you don't have.
3 ain't shabby...under two different coaches.
Theirs? ALL under one legendary coach.
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Or 10/13 ncaas with a final four, elite 8 and couple of sweet 16s.
It's possible they hold a higher standard of what's good but that's the only thing I can fathom.
Since winning the title in 2010, Duke is 5-4 in the NCAAs, including first-round losses to Lehigh and Mercer. Marquette is 7-3 with no first-round losses (but one tourney miss).
Maybe, just as some here worried we'd turn into another SLU, the Dookies are worried they're turning into the next MU. Oh, the humanity!
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Burger boys. You can only do so much with the talent you don't have.
3 ain't shabby...under two different coaches.
Theirs? ALL under one legendary coach.
If you are going to undermine duke's tourney performance throughout the programs history, I'm curious what you have to say about ours.
We have one final four appearance in the last 35+ years and, if I'm not mistaken, it was one of the most lopsided games in final four history. And the worst part is is that KU didn't even win the title.
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Burger boys. You can only do so much with the talent you don't have.
3 ain't shabby...under two different coaches.
Theirs? ALL under one legendary coach.
Perhaps I'm not understanding what you're saying in this post but they did their 15 final fours under three coaches Vic bubas (the first three), Bill Foster (78) and Coach K (everything else). If anything your best angle at underming Dukes success would be talking about how Bill Foster got Duke to the championship then left them for South Carolina that'd really put into context about who Duke was pre Coach K.
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If you are going to undermine duke's tourney performance throughout the programs history, I'm curious what you have to say about ours.
We have one final four appearance in the last 35+ years and, if I'm not mistaken, it was one of the most lopsided games in final four history. And the worst part is is that KU didn't even win the title.
Seriously...
Not to mention he's just flat out incorrect. They've had 15 Final Fours under 3 different coaches. Unless he thinks Coach K was there in 1963, 1964, 1966, & 1978...
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Outside of a few inaccuracies, none of which were terribly consequential, I didn't think the article was *that* bad.
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Definitely some Duke arrogance in the article. Also several inaccuracies (unless Noskowiak somehow reclassified to 2014), but theme of the article is true. Both Parker and Wojo will have some growing pains in their first year.
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it was one of the most lopsided games in final four history. And the worst part is is that KU didn't even win the title.
Not just one of the most lopsided but certainly one of the most shameful defeats in Marquette's history. To be humiliated on so public a stage is hateful.
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Besides this line: "Unfortunately for fans of the Milwaukee Bucks and/or Marquette University, the basketball landscape has been anything but good." there's nothing particularly insulting or inaccurate about the article. Yeah that part is woefully inaccurate, but there wasn't really anything wrong with the rest.
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Besides this line: "Unfortunately for fans of the Milwaukee Bucks and/or Marquette University, the basketball landscape has been anything but good." there's nothing particularly insulting or inaccurate about the article. Yeah that part is woefully inaccurate, but there wasn't really anything wrong with the rest.
Derrick wilson will lead the way?
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Outside of a few inaccuracies, none of which were terribly consequential, I didn't think the article was *that* bad.
That's what I thought. Last year was the year I was excited about for MU Hoops, and something went wrong. This year, even with the class Buzz had coming in, was always going to be a rebuilding year. Having Buzz leave and taking some players with him made it just a bit bleaker. Wojo has his work cut out for him for sure.
The part I disliked was that it didn't give enough credit to the overall state of the program -- it's not in utter disrepair like VT. It's hitting a down swing like all programs (even Duke and UNC) go through.
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After reading the article, I couldn't get through to add a comment for quite some time. I finally got my two cents in a few minutes ago. Enjoy! ;D
July 15, 2014 at 6:48 pm
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This article is obviously “amateur hour” at its worst. First, get some things straight. Marquette is a great basketball program with an incredible tradition. It is not even close to being a place where Coach Wojo will have to “rebuild” and it most definitely is not a “troubled program” as you put it. Marquette was picked to win the Big East last season. They disappointed everyone, including their fans. However, the three years prior to that MU went to the Sweet 16, Sweet 16, and Elite 8. There was also a Big East Championship won two years ago. That is not the resume of a “struggling program”. Buzz Williams went to the NCAA Tournament 5 out of his 6 years at Marquette. Crean was consistently in the NCAA and guided the team to the Final Four in 2003. The current roster has at least 6 or 7 top 100 recruits. The current sophomore recruiting class was ranked in the top 10 nationally. So, if you are going to write an article, do some research first! Wojo came to Marquette for one major reason. He came to continue the tradition of maintaining a top tier program! A program that wins and produces NBA talent. Struggling programs don’t consistently develop players like Wade, Butler, Crowder, Novak, Matthews and others. Wojo knows Marquette’s tradition and he knows he can continue to bring in big time talent and win. Just like Buzz, Crean. Kevin O’Neil, Rick Majerus and Al McGuire did before him. Get your facts straight!
Read more at http://dukereport.com/alumni/jabari-wojo-wholl-better-milwaukee/dsmith/#4dhYSmjyzwHPVuoe.99
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After reading the article, I couldn't get through to add a comment for quite some time. I finally got my two cents in a few minutes ago. Enjoy! ;D
July 15, 2014 at 6:48 pm
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
This article is obviously “amateur hour” at its worst. First, get some things straight. Marquette is a great basketball program with an incredible tradition. It is not even close to being a place where Coach Wojo will have to “rebuild” and it most definitely is not a “troubled program” as you put it. Marquette was picked to win the Big East last season. They disappointed everyone, including their fans. However, the three years prior to that MU went to the Sweet 16, Sweet 16, and Elite 8. There was also a Big East Championship won two years ago. That is not the resume of a “struggling program”. Buzz Williams went to the NCAA Tournament 5 out of his 6 years at Marquette. Crean was consistently in the NCAA and guided the team to the Final Four in 2003. The current roster has at least 6 or 7 top 100 recruits. The current sophomore recruiting class was ranked in the top 10 nationally. So, if you are going to write an article, do some research first! Wojo came to Marquette for one major reason. He came to continue the tradition of maintaining a top tier program! A program that wins and produces NBA talent. Struggling programs don’t consistently develop players like Wade, Butler, Crowder, Novak, Matthews and others. Wojo knows Marquette’s tradition and he knows he can continue to bring in big time talent and win. Just like Buzz, Crean. Kevin O’Neil, Rick Majerus and Al McGuire did before him. Get your facts straight!
Read more at http://dukereport.com/alumni/jabari-wojo-wholl-better-milwaukee/dsmith/#4dhYSmjyzwHPVuoe.99
Very similar to what I posted. Still don't understand why we include Majerus when listing our best coaches I mean Deane at least got us to the NCAAs, Raymonds did so consistently. Nagle and Hickey as well. But other than that I love your post.
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This is a pretty fantastic lede:
"Fans of Wayne’s World and/or Alice Cooper will know that Milwaukee is an Algonquin name meaning, “The Good Land.” Unfortunately for fans of the Milwaukee Bucks and/or Marquette University, the basketball landscape has been anything but good."
That is just good writing.
Let's try to beat it. I'll go with: "The Violent Femmes, from MIlwaukee, once sang "Good Feeling." Unfortunately for Bucks and/or MU, the feelings in Milwaukee have not been so good, when it comes to basketball."
John Wayne, a/k/a "Duke" embodied those qualities—strength, moral authority, independence, freedom, integrity, and the courage of conviction—that Duke University wishes to not have confused with its basketball team of flopping pansies as it indicates every time that its sues the Estate of John Wayne over licensing products using Wayne's Duke nickname.
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Seriously...
Not to mention he's just flat out incorrect. They've had 15 Final Fours under 3 different coaches. Unless he thinks Coach K was there in 1963, 1964, 1966, & 1978...
Serious question ... 1963 to 1966, which was the bigger tourney? NCAA or NIT?
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Not just one of the most lopsided but certainly one of the most shameful defeats in Marquette's history. To be humiliated on so public a stage is hateful.
Crean sucks
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Very similar to what I posted. Still don't understand why we include Majerus when listing our best coaches I mean Deane at least got us to the NCAAs, Raymonds did so consistently. Nagle and Hickey as well. But other than that I love your post.
Re: Majerus. Name recognition, and what he did after he moved on and the ongoing respect he had for the MU program.
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Serious question ... 1963 to 1966, which was the bigger tourney? NCAA or NIT?
NCAA for sure, but it was fairly close.
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Schlemeel, schlemazel, hasenfeffer incorporated.
We're gonna do it!
"Wojo will just have to rely on his home grown brew".
(Younger guys probably won't get it)
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Interesting article - biggest surprise was that Nick is apparently going to forego his senior year and will be able to contribute at MU this year.
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Re: Majerus. Name recognition, and what he did after he moved on and the ongoing respect he had for the MU program.
Gotcha. It always just struck me as odd considering we all hate on deane but at least he got us to an NIT championship and two NCAA appearances and everybody just says Raymonds was a "good guy" but he added a few NCAA appearances to our resume
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If you are going to undermine duke's tourney performance throughout the programs history, I'm curious what you have to say about ours.
We have one final four appearance in the last 35+ years and, if I'm not mistaken, it was one of the most lopsided games in final four history. And the worst part is is that KU didn't even win the title.
Wow. They did reach the Final Four pre-Coach K.
Who would have thunk it.
But I WAS just highlighting the last three years of Duke bkb.
(of course, 4 years ago, they won it all.)
I know they own MU since Coach K's tenure began.
Just pointing out the last three years. And proud MU has done really well considering the inability to attract burger boys and their like talent.