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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MUWarrior4Life on July 08, 2014, 11:04:43 AM
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http://sports.yahoo.com/video/virginia-techs-buzz-williams-future-141914402.html
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Count how many times he says better, lol
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That's 'cuz they suck ass and he's on an extended honeymoon
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Count how many times he says better, lol
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You are correct! ;D
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Let's see he's already had four guys including his two best returning players transfer, so I guess getting rid of as many of the players who were there when he got there as possible is one way Buzz sees to get better.
Quite a difference in outlook from Wojo, I'd say.
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I better find something better to do with my time so I get better at it.
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Well, they cant get much worse and if they do Brent will be out of a job very soon.
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Well, they cant get much worse and if they do Brent will be out of a job very soon.
Which would make Virginia Tech better at firing basketball coaches.
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I'm getting really tired of hearing Buzz's raspy voice still
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I like Buzz and his approach.
While I disgree with Buzz's move and think it was more than a little paranoid I think he was a hell of a coach and pretty resolute in his belief system.
Now I am sure i will get lit up for defending Buzz but hating on Crean. Its pretty simple. They both left, and I do not hold any ill will against either of them for that. I firmly believe one should do what they feel to be in theirs and their family's best interest. Bottom line..... I like Buzz and Crean is an A-hole.
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Funny how Buzz said that the fans need to get better.
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superbar this crap
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
I really enjoyed the dance at WVA, the dance after the DJO slam against L-ville, the way he completely pulled a rabbit out of a hat the year we had Lazar playing center with the midgets. Dude was a good coach and I will remember him favorably.
I'm with River rat. So go ahead and trash me as well.
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
I really enjoyed the dance at WVA, the dance after the DJO slam against L-ville, the way he completely pulled a rabbit out of a hat the year we had Lazar playing center with the midgets. Dude was a good coach and I will remember him favorably.
I'm with River rat. So go ahead and trash me as well.
Ditto. Went into every game thinking we could win. The 40+ hours in between beating Miami and tip beofre Cuse were phenomenal. We always competed and even this year I expected us to win the BET right up until the last minute vs Xavier.
We got the absolute right guy in Wojo. I'm happy for the future but I am satisfied with the past.
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
I really enjoyed the dance at WVA, the dance after the DJO slam against L-ville, the way he completely pulled a rabbit out of a hat the year we had Lazar playing center with the midgets. Dude was a good coach and I will remember him favorably.
I'm with River rat. So go ahead and trash me as well.
I hear ya, but I'm tired of seeing a top ten recruiting class come together and then seeing it disintegrate every six to nine years.
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
I really enjoyed the dance at WVA, the dance after the DJO slam against L-ville, the way he completely pulled a rabbit out of a hat the year we had Lazar playing center with the midgets. Dude was a good coach and I will remember him favorably.
I'm with River rat. So go ahead and trash me as well.
+ a lot!!!
for the record i felt the same way about KO
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superbar this crap
Amen brother
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
I really enjoyed the dance at WVA, the dance after the DJO slam against L-ville, the way he completely pulled a rabbit out of a hat the year we had Lazar playing center with the midgets. Dude was a good coach and I will remember him favorably.
I'm with River rat. So go ahead and trash me as well.
Here is the reason: Because he is a disingenuous BS'er. Get it? Got it? Good!
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Funny how Buzz said that the fans need to get better.
Well, they certainly need to get better at showing up for games... :P
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
I really enjoyed the dance at WVA, the dance after the DJO slam against L-ville, the way he completely pulled a rabbit out of a hat the year we had Lazar playing center with the midgets. Dude was a good coach and I will remember him favorably.
I'm with River rat. So go ahead and trash me as well.
I'm good with this take...well said all in all. It was definitely a fun 6 year ride with Buzz. He left at the right time - best probably for him, and best for MU too. Lots of happy memories made from Buzz's time at MU.
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Here is the reason: Because he is a disingenuous BS'er. Get it? Got it? Good!
How do you come to that conclusion? odd.
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How do you come to that conclusion? odd.
Because some members of the athletic department, some current and former players, some parents of former players have said so. Doesn't mean that's a universal opinion, but it's hardly odd. Just as some current and former players of your favorite coach have also such things, as well as athletic department staff, etc.
Nothing odd about it, that's how they feel (were treated).
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Count me as a Buzz supporter but I am glad we don't have to hear his idiotic interviews anymore. If I was a VTech fan, I would be scratching my head after listening to that video.
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Because some members of the athletic department, some current and former players, some parents of former players have said so. Doesn't mean that's a universal opinion, but it's hardly odd. Just as some current and former players of your favorite coach have also such things, as well as athletic department staff, etc.
Nothing odd about it, that's how they feel (were treated).
Please furnish us the quotes from former and current players and parents of former players who claim to have been mistreated by Buzz (please don't include complaints about playing time).
As for those members of the athletic department you're making up, LOL.
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
I really enjoyed the dance at WVA, the dance after the DJO slam against L-ville, the way he completely pulled a rabbit out of a hat the year we had Lazar playing center with the midgets. Dude was a good coach and I will remember him favorably.
I'm with River rat. So go ahead and trash me as well.
buzz was great, and like anyone...his strengths could also be his weaknesses.
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
I really enjoyed the dance at WVA, the dance after the DJO slam against L-ville, the way he completely pulled a rabbit out of a hat the year we had Lazar playing center with the midgets. Dude was a good coach and I will remember him favorably.
I'm with River rat. So go ahead and trash me as well.
He could have been classy when he left, but instead chose to take the low road by trashing Marquette and the Big East on his way out the door. Then he shows up on national TV the next day wearing a Va. Tech pin the size of a corsage. Lack of character revealed!
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How do you come to that conclusion? odd.
Pretty obvious unless you are a slurper. And there are some still slurping the guy. Buzzo was a bozo and a BS'er
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I don't know why people find it necessary to trash Buzz and call him a Hillbilly and other disparaging terms. He gave us 6 years of which 5 were great and one wasn't. If Wojo just equals Buzz I will be very happy. Incidentally I said the same thing when Buzz took over for Crean. And as a result I was thrilled with the way things worked out.
I thought it was a little crazy he left but I think that just proves that Buzz was a little odd and insecure and he panicked when he didn't feel he could keep up with the reputation he built. Is that a reason to hate him?
The answer is loyalty. We as fans poured our hearts and souls out 27 to 33 times a year for our university and our basketball team. At Marquette, NotAnAlum, basketball is almost as important as God. Almost.
The Hillbilly had a bad year last year. He lost control of his team beginning with Vander Blue's decision to turn pro. Tood Mayo should have been the guy but wasn't. Jamil Wilson, for whatever reason, checked out (or never checked in, take your pick) and the dudes that started averaged about 11 points a game, collectively, except for Jamil. His point guard was a disaster and his rotations made no sense.
Rather than fixing the problem and acting like a man and a professional, he cut and ran. That's not the Marquette way. A lot of us have been around for quite some time and stuck with Marquette through the Dukiet years and the Deane years. We hate the Hillbilly because, well, he wasn't professional enough to stick around and make us what we had been for the past six years.
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Could not agree more. If you need evidence of Buzz the BS'er watch the video again and listen to his interview. Then go back and watch every post game and radio show interview he did last year with Homer and listen to the complete BS and gibberish. I sat at court side in Las Vegas last year and watched MU lose to New Mexico. In a 3 minute span during the second half MU had two 5-second calls against them and threw an in-bounds pass out of bounds. Teams with good coaches don't do that. z
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The answer is loyalty. We as fans poured our hearts and souls out 27 to 33 times a year for our university and our basketball team. At Marquette, NotAnAlum, basketball is almost as important as God. Almost.
The Hillbilly had a bad year last year. He lost control of his team beginning with Vander Blue's decision to turn pro. Tood Mayo should have been the guy but wasn't. Jamil Wilson, for whatever reason, checked out (or never checked in, take your pick) and the dudes that started averaged about 11 points a game, collectively, except for Jamil. His point guard was a disaster and his rotations made no sense.
Rather than fixing the problem and acting like a man and a professional, he cut and ran. That's not the Marquette way. A lot of us have been around for quite some time and stuck with Marquette through the Dukiet years and the Deane years. We hate the Hillbilly because, well, he wasn't professional enough to stick around and make us what we had been for the past six years.
Well thats more than a little over the top. According to those parameters their are only a few coaches in the history of sport that are acceptable to you then. Are you still at the same job for your entire career? If not can the same things be said about you. Awfully high standards. The guy did a fabulous job while at MU, no reason at all yo trash him, he did what he thought was best for him n his family. And i am sure he has the character to at some point admit he made a mistake if it turns out he did. However, that chapter has not been written.
Also, lenny and I are still waiting for chico to followup on his "hes a BSer" claim. LOL
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Buzz did a great job at Marquette. Frankly, I thought we could some day compete for a National Championship with him here; I never thought that about Crean (although Crean should be congratulated for getting the program to where Buzz could succeed).
Buzz was also quirky and bizarre, but he was our "quirky and bizarre." So, while he was here, that was all good. Now that he is gone, it will obviously annoy the heck out of us.
The real disappointment for me in Buzz was the loyalty factor. He flew the coop at the first sign of troubled waters. Worse yet, he took parting shots at Marquette and its conference when he left so as to explain his downward departure. In the end, Buzz showed himself to be an insecure coward without the strength or resolve to run the marathon. That doesn't detract from who he is and what he could sell, or the great years we had under him. But, it does make appreciating his work here a little more difficult.
As for his phoniness, I am not so sure he is a phony; I just think he is a hypocrite in many ways. It is more a matter of "do as I say and not as I do." There were signs of this early on. Despite portraying himself as a humble servant, I remember being struck by the peculiarity of his obsession with expensive tailored suits early on in his tenure. I remember an article where he basically boasted about his expensive wardrobe and I thought to myself, this piece doesn't seem to match the rest of the puzzle. In the end, the fact is, what Buzz preaches sells and that is all that matters to him. What Buzz actually does, can at times be a complete and diametric opposite. However, there is also genuine goodness in him as well (see numerous stories about his good will, his thoughtfulness, Buzz's bunch, etc.).
Good luck to Buzz. He has his positive traits and he has his faults, as do we all. One of my faults is a lack of forgiveness and so I hope he fails miserable.
On a side note, I am much less certain about Marquette's program now than I was a year ago with Buzz at the helm. I certainly hope Wojo can fill the role - and he appears to be doing and saying all the right things - but none can deny the uncertainty. Color me nervous.
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Buzz did a great job at Marquette. Frankly, I thought we could some day compete for a National Championship with him here; I never thought that about Crean (although Crean should be congratulated for getting the program to where Buzz could succeed).
Buzz was also quirky and bizarre, but he was our "quirky and bizarre." So, while he was here, that was all good. Now that he is gone, it will obviously annoy the heck out of us.
The real disappointment for me in Buzz was the loyalty factor. He flew the coop at the first sign of troubled waters. Worse yet, he took parting shots at Marquette and its conference when he left so as to explain his downward departure. In the end, Buzz showed himself to be an insecure coward without the strength or resolve to run the marathon. That doesn't detract from who he is and what he could sell, or the great years we had under him. But, it does make appreciating his work here a little more difficult.
As for his phoniness, I am not so sure he is a phony; I just think he is a hypocrite in many ways. It is more a matter of "do as I say and not as I do." There were signs of this early on. Despite portraying himself as a humble servant, I remember being struck by the peculiarity of his obsession with expensive tailored suits early on in his tenure. I remember an article where he basically boasted about his expensive wardrobe and I thought to myself, this piece doesn't seem to match the rest of the puzzle. In the end, the fact is, what Buzz preaches sells and that is all that matters to him. What Buzz actually does, can at times be a complete and diametric opposite. However, there is also genuine goodness in him as well (see numerous stories about his good will, his thoughtfulness, Buzz's bunch, etc.).
Good luck to Buzz. He has his positive traits and he has his faults, as do we all. One of my faults is a lack of forgiveness and so I hope he fails miserable.
On a side note, I am much less certain about Marquette's program now than I was a year ago with Buzz at the helm. I certainly hope Wojo can fill the role - and he appears to be doing and saying all the right things - but none can deny the uncertainty. Color me nervous.
Spoken like a true Buzz Kool Aid slurper. Defend El Bozo to the hilt. After all he was our boy. Guess what? Not anymore. Less certain about the program than a year ago? h
Here is some news: 17-15, with guys ready to desert under the Bozo. That is a certainty.
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Spoken like a true Buzz Kool Aid slurper. Defend El Bozo to the hilt. After all he was our boy. Guess what? Not anymore. Less certain about the program than a year ago? h
Here is some news: 17-15, with guys ready to desert under the Bozo. That is a certainty.
I suppose you flunked reading comprehension in grammar school?
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Spoken like a true Buzz Kool Aid slurper. Defend El Bozo to the hilt. After all he was our boy. Guess what? Not anymore. Less certain about the program than a year ago? h
Here is some news: 17-15, with guys ready to desert under the Bozo. That is a certainty.
So MUCam calls Buzz an "insecure coward," and a "hypocrite," yet you still label MUCam a "slurper?"
It might be time for another vacation willie. You're losing it.
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Buzz did a great job at Marquette. Frankly, I thought we could some day compete for a National Championship with him here; I never thought that about Crean (although Crean should be congratulated for getting the program to where Buzz could succeed).
Buzz was also quirky and bizarre, but he was our "quirky and bizarre." So, while he was here, that was all good. Now that he is gone, it will obviously annoy the heck out of us.
The real disappointment for me in Buzz was the loyalty factor. He flew the coop at the first sign of troubled waters. Worse yet, he took parting shots at Marquette and its conference when he left so as to explain his downward departure. In the end, Buzz showed himself to be an insecure coward without the strength or resolve to run the marathon. That doesn't detract from who he is and what he could sell, or the great years we had under him. But, it does make appreciating his work here a little more difficult.
As for his phoniness, I am not so sure he is a phony; I just think he is a hypocrite in many ways. It is more a matter of "do as I say and not as I do." There were signs of this early on. Despite portraying himself as a humble servant, I remember being struck by the peculiarity of his obsession with expensive tailored suits early on in his tenure. I remember an article where he basically boasted about his expensive wardrobe and I thought to myself, this piece doesn't seem to match the rest of the puzzle. In the end, the fact is, what Buzz preaches sells and that is all that matters to him. What Buzz actually does, can at times be a complete and diametric opposite. However, there is also genuine goodness in him as well (see numerous stories about his good will, his thoughtfulness, Buzz's bunch, etc.).
Good luck to Buzz. He has his positive traits and he has his faults, as do we all. One of my faults is a lack of forgiveness and so I hope he fails miserable.
On a side note, I am much less certain about Marquette's program now than I was a year ago with Buzz at the helm. I certainly hope Wojo can fill the role - and he appears to be doing and saying all the right things - but none can deny the uncertainty. Color me nervous.
Very well thought out...agree almost entirely...yet I too would have been nervous as hell if we lost Buzz prior to last season...yet after watching last season's debacle...it was clear it was best for both parties to move on. Been surprisingly impressed with Wojo thus far. He lands 2 of 3 of Stone, Ellenson, and Cheatham.....wow. Not concerned about his ability to coach...he should be a good one that way having played the game at high major level and 15 years under Coach K...
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So MUCam calls Buzz an "insecure coward," and a "hypocrite," yet you still label MUCam a "slurper?"
It might be time for another vacation willie. You're losing it.
Hey Sultan--you were the one that wanted a "divorce"--remember? If you feel that you want to start that dance again--go for it. And speaking of vacations, it was all good when you took your sabbatical from the board after Buzz's disastrous season and subsequent being shown the door. But now you are back, and your true colors still show through. Buzz forever. Yes Sultan, you are an expert at "hypocrite" Whine about being picked on and then start the picking. Now it is your choice about what happens. Sultan: Please leave me alone, because I can dish it but can't take it. Nuff said.
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Spoken like a true Buzz Kool Aid slurper. Defend El Bozo to the hilt. After all he was our boy. Guess what? Not anymore. Less certain about the program than a year ago? h
Here is some news: 17-15, with guys ready to desert under the Bozo. That is a certainty.
As grand general of the slurpers (I believe I'm number two in your book after Sultan) I can tell you with certainty that MUCam didn't post something worthy of sluperness.
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MUCam's post was top-notch.
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Cannot argue with much of what has been posted, and like many I am disappointed in Beauregard.
In particular, at a human level, I am sorry that he blew his chance to leave a legacy. I don't know if Beauregard lost the team, or if he lost himself. However, had he "stuck with it" and worked with the vision and flexibility of his first years at MU, I think he could have left the business "on top" and with a legacy second only to Al.
By his move - by his "bailing-out" - he has proven himself to be another talented huckster, whose "story line" is no longer credible. He has shown himself to be more concerned with money, power, ego and trying to prove he is right, as opposed to doing what is right.
Beauregard will survive and probably do well, but he no longer has a chance to leave any sort of legacy in the basketball world. Sad for him.
What goes around, comes around ...
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Buzz did a great job at Marquette. Frankly, I thought we could some day compete for a National Championship with him here; I never thought that about Crean (although Crean should be congratulated for getting the program to where Buzz could succeed).
Buzz was also quirky and bizarre, but he was our "quirky and bizarre." So, while he was here, that was all good. Now that he is gone, it will obviously annoy the heck out of us.
The real disappointment for me in Buzz was the loyalty factor. He flew the coop at the first sign of troubled waters. Worse yet, he took parting shots at Marquette and its conference when he left so as to explain his downward departure. In the end, Buzz showed himself to be an insecure coward without the strength or resolve to run the marathon. That doesn't detract from who he is and what he could sell, or the great years we had under him. But, it does make appreciating his work here a little more difficult.
As for his phoniness, I am not so sure he is a phony; I just think he is a hypocrite in many ways. It is more a matter of "do as I say and not as I do." There were signs of this early on. Despite portraying himself as a humble servant, I remember being struck by the peculiarity of his obsession with expensive tailored suits early on in his tenure. I remember an article where he basically boasted about his expensive wardrobe and I thought to myself, this piece doesn't seem to match the rest of the puzzle. In the end, the fact is, what Buzz preaches sells and that is all that matters to him. What Buzz actually does, can at times be a complete and diametric opposite. However, there is also genuine goodness in him as well (see numerous stories about his good will, his thoughtfulness, Buzz's bunch, etc.).
Good luck to Buzz. He has his positive traits and he has his faults, as do we all. One of my faults is a lack of forgiveness and so I hope he fails miserable.
On a side note, I am much less certain about Marquette's program now than I was a year ago with Buzz at the helm. I certainly hope Wojo can fill the role - and he appears to be doing and saying all the right things - but none can deny the uncertainty. Color me nervous.
He did not fly the coop; I believe he was told by the University to find another job.
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Buzz has to get better at using other words than "better."
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Buzz has to get better at using other words than "better."
I couldn't have said that any better
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Buzz has to better get better at using other better words other than "better."
FIFY
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FIFY
much better.
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I was fine with Buzz leaving - it's what coaches do.
But, then he trashed the program on the way out. THAT is when his character was revealed.
Good riddance to the douchebag!!!!! Can't wait for him to crash and burn.
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So I finally broke down and listened to the clip.
What a dork.
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MUCam's post was top-notch.
Agreed. Well written.
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Has there ever been a better thread than this?
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Why be bitter about buzz being badder at better?
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"You better you better you bet" -- Pete Townshend
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Buzz did a great job at Marquette. Frankly, I thought we could some day compete for a National Championship with him here; I never thought that about Crean (although Crean should be congratulated for getting the program to where Buzz could succeed).
Buzz was also quirky and bizarre, but he was our "quirky and bizarre." So, while he was here, that was all good. Now that he is gone, it will obviously annoy the heck out of us.
The real disappointment for me in Buzz was the loyalty factor. He flew the coop at the first sign of troubled waters. Worse yet, he took parting shots at Marquette and its conference when he left so as to explain his downward departure. In the end, Buzz showed himself to be an insecure coward without the strength or resolve to run the marathon. That doesn't detract from who he is and what he could sell, or the great years we had under him. But, it does make appreciating his work here a little more difficult.
As for his phoniness, I am not so sure he is a phony; I just think he is a hypocrite in many ways. It is more a matter of "do as I say and not as I do." There were signs of this early on. Despite portraying himself as a humble servant, I remember being struck by the peculiarity of his obsession with expensive tailored suits early on in his tenure. I remember an article where he basically boasted about his expensive wardrobe and I thought to myself, this piece doesn't seem to match the rest of the puzzle. In the end, the fact is, what Buzz preaches sells and that is all that matters to him. What Buzz actually does, can at times be a complete and diametric opposite. However, there is also genuine goodness in him as well (see numerous stories about his good will, his thoughtfulness, Buzz's bunch, etc.).
Good luck to Buzz. He has his positive traits and he has his faults, as do we all. One of my faults is a lack of forgiveness and so I hope he fails miserable.
On a side note, I am much less certain about Marquette's program now than I was a year ago with Buzz at the helm. I certainly hope Wojo can fill the role - and he appears to be doing and saying all the right things - but none can deny the uncertainty. Color me nervous.
You know Cam, I agree to an extent with his quirkiness being phoniness, and possibly Buzz being a hypocrite.
If there's one thing that we've seen since UNO and him leapfrogging from place to place is he's always looking ahead.
So, along with it comes the "schtick": say the "right" things, do the "right" things, "throw a good pitch" to the fans, "throw a good pitch" to the administration.
But you can't call him a hypocrite and not look at the good deeds he does without some doubt.
Does he REALLY care that much?
Is it ALL contrived? Or just SOME of it contrived?
Does he understand the power of "holding a story back" and then "releasing it to the press" so he appears to be humble?
I hope to the Man above that he isn't jerking people around.
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I think he means what he says in the moment he says it. I think he meant to stay at MU as long as they wanted him. I think he no longer felt wanted so he was free to seek other opportunities.
There was a guy who everybody knew was an absolute weasel. His nickname was actually 'Weasel'. There was nobody he wouldn't backstab, sabotage, hinder, no trick he wouldn't pull, in order to advance his own career. Eventually, he fooled enough people in city hall to be made chief. There was hope that since he had achieved what he had worked so long for, maybe he would stop being a douchebag. Turns out that being a douchebag wasn't a means to an end, it was his nature.
Prior to Marquette, Buzz's nature was a vagabond. I thought that having the really good gig that he had would ease his need to be constantly looking for the next job. Well, as soon as things got tough, the vagabond aspect of his nature came back to the fore. And he left. He is a hell of a coach. The coaching situation that actually gets him to finally lose that vagabond element of his personality is going to have a nice long run. I just don't know if that exists.
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I think he means what he says in the moment he says it. I think he meant to stay at MU as long as they wanted him. I think he no longer felt wanted so he was free to seek other opportunities.
There was a guy who everybody knew was an absolute weasel. His nickname was actually 'Weasel'. There was nobody he wouldn't backstab, sabotage, hinder, no trick he wouldn't pull, in order to advance his own career. Eventually, he fooled enough people in city hall to be made chief. There was hope that since he had achieved what he had worked so long for, maybe he would stop being a douchebag. Turns out that being a douchebag wasn't a means to an end, it was his nature.
Prior to Marquette, Buzz's nature was a vagabond. I thought that having the really good gig that he had would ease his need to be constantly looking for the next job. Well, as soon as things got tough, the vagabond aspect of his nature came back to the fore. And he left. He is a hell of a coach. The coaching situation that actually gets him to finally lose that vagabond element of his personality is going to have a nice long run. I just don't know if that exists.
Pretty well written.
The only part I disagree with (or may disagree with) is that he is a very good coach. I don't know if he is or not or whether he gets by because of intensity and emotion.
And that will run its course quickly (5+ years at MU) no matter where he is coaching.
The fact that he won as long as his team played harder than the other team makes me feel this way. Once he lost the team and the hustle and emotion disappeared, he couldn't win.
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Better to kiss this mofo off, hey?
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Pretty well written.
The only part I disagree with (or may disagree with) is that he is a very good coach. I don't know if he is or not or whether he gets by because of intensity and emotion.
And that will run its course quickly (5+ years at MU) no matter where he is coaching.
The fact that he won as long as his team played harder than the other team makes me feel this way. Once he lost the team and the hustle and emotion disappeared, he couldn't win.
Last year was frustrating for everyone and changed a lot of perspective. IMO, it is simply not possible to accidentally to have the 3 year run that he did. There has to be coaching ability there.
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Last year was frustrating for everyone and changed a lot of perspective. IMO, it is simply not possible to accidentally to have the 3 year run that he did. There has to be coaching ability there.
Okay, he's a good coach.
But you'll never know if he's able to get through the hard times and truly define the kind of person/coach he is.
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"You better you better you bet" -- Pete Townshend
I have to admit it's getting better
A little better all the time
(It couldn't get no worse)
John Lennon
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He did not fly the coop; I believe he was told by the University to find another job.
That's not true. Now they didn't go out of the way to make him happy, but they never told him to leave.
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But you can't call him a hypocrite and not look at the good deeds he does without some doubt.
Does he REALLY care that much?
Is it ALL contrived? Or just SOME of it contrived?
Does he understand the power of "holding a story back" and then "releasing it to the press" so he appears to be humble?
I hope to the Man above that he isn't jerking people around.
I don't disagree at all with this. His hypocrisy obviously opens up his actions to scrutiny. That said, if you speak with anyone who has received his kindness, they won't call it contrived. I don't think Buzz's acts are all part of a shtick. I think he truly does care and he truly does want to be good.
That said, Buzz is also very smart. He knows how to use his acts of kindness to his benefit and for his image. He is a master of public relations. It was no coincidence that the Buzz's Bunch CBS special came out days before he bolted for Va Tech. Buzz is a master manipulator and a master salesman. That is what makes him such a darned effective recruiter.
The problem with those types of people is that, eventually, they get found out. Eventually, their "holier than thou" walls come crashing down and people begin to suspect their true intentions. When the walls do come crashing down, the sales become tougher to deliver; the manipulation harder to effectuate. And so, Buzz moved on before those walls completely crashed in.
If the stories are correct, as being the head man went to his head, Buzz's actions became less and less those of a humble servant and more and more those of an untouchable despot. Or so he thought in his mind. When 17-14 brought mortality and reality back, he had to scram.
The problem with the truly egotistical is that they generally are the most susceptible to bouts of insecurity. They need and crave the praise and appreciation that fuels their egos. Praise is like a drug and when Buzz was the country bumpkin hero, he was able to shoot it up by the truck loads. Some bad PR issues with players and one bad season and the syringes ran dry. So, it was time to find a different source; somewhere where expectations are zero and praise will flow freely like the PBR flows from my refrigerator and Balvenie flows from my bar. That place is in Blacksburg.
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That's not true. Now they didn't go out of the way to make him happy, but they never told him to leave.
This.
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I have to admit it's getting better
A little better all the time
(It couldn't get no worse)
John Lennon
She lies and says she's in love with him, can't find a better man...
She dreams in color, she dreams in red, can't find a better man...
She lies and says she still loves him, can't find a better man...
She dreams in color, she dreams in red, can't find a better man...
Can't find a better man
Can't find a better man
Yeah...
-- Eddie Vedder
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Seems like all these coaches develop a character or schtick and stick with it. We saw it with Crean and the same schtick carried over to IU. Now we're seeing it with Buzz. Same old phrases. About the only thing he changed is instead of saying, "I don't mean that in a condescending way" to "I don't mean that in a sarcastic way."
Now we have Wojo working on his schtick and most fans are eating it up. These same fans will be heartbroken and angry when he moves on.
These coaches are like actors developing a character. They're not genuine, don't buy into it so much.
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Last year was frustrating for everyone and changed a lot of perspective. IMO, it is simply not possible to accidentally to have the 3 year run that he did. There has to be coaching ability there.
He was a good coach...come on now. Period. That cannot be argue or even sensibly debated here no matter how offended, resentful and hurt some MU fans might be by his departure.
No one should question that. But I agree, he could not handled expectations and handle the heat and knew when to get out or maybe he was helped out. We don't know. I believe the latter. he would not run. He had a great class coming in.
There was no reason to run unless MU just wanted a change. Terri Mitchell was escorted out too. A wonderful coach and person. He could motivate and he could get his teams prepared an buy into his vision. Get real.
You don't win here like he did and get that many players to the NBA and not be a good coach. Don't fool yourself.
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You know Cam, I agree to an extent with his quirkiness being phoniness, and possibly Buzz being a hypocrite.
If there's one thing that we've seen since UNO and him leapfrogging from place to place is he's always looking ahead.
So, along with it comes the "schtick": say the "right" things, do the "right" things, "throw a good pitch" to the fans, "throw a good pitch" to the administration.
But you can't call him a hypocrite and not look at the good deeds he does without some doubt.
Does he REALLY care that much?
Is it ALL contrived? Or just SOME of it contrived?
Does he understand the power of "holding a story back" and then "releasing it to the press" so he appears to be humble?
I hope to the Man above that he isn't jerking people around.
I disagree wholeheartedly. You all are just angry. I love Buzz Williams as a man and a coach. He was not phony. He was real and he was just him. I think after awhile that can wear on you because he is going to stay true to who he is.
I do not think there was one time where this program was about him. I am not defending anyone because he does not nee to be defended. MU just wanted a change and Buzz did not take pot shots at MU, he just gave you an answer.
If he wanted to leave he could have done so a long time ago. I might believe you if it was just him that left. But when they let the woman's coach go too and played like they wanted Smart I knew it was administration that wanted to move on, not Buzz.
From the moment his top assistant was let go that was the beginning of the end. You are trying to paint him in a bad light and I don't see it. Let him go. We will see if he is a good coach down in Blacksburg.
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Has there ever been a better thread than this?
YES.
There has. It is a bitter pill thread. Thank Buzz and move on. He helped build this MU Brand to where it is now. I am not going to knock him.
If I had a kid he recruited here I would trust him with my son or daughter and that is the highest compliment that I can pay anyone.
He better be a great salesman just like Tom Crean was or I am not listening. Ultimately it would be up to my kid but from what I have read an heard and seen from the fruits of his words and works here after what 7 years, he held up well.
You said he ran "like a coward." LOL wow. Strong words. I do not think he was a coward. He went to the ACC! If anything he is just the opposite of a coward and took as daunting a job and situation then Crean did when he went to Indiana when they were on probation.
Now lets see if Wojo with his great coaching staff and helpers can take it to another level. That simple.
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I disagree wholeheartedly. You all are just angry. I love Buzz Williams as a man and a coach. He was not phony. He was real and he was just him. I think after awhile that can wear on you because he is going to stay true to who he is.
I do not think there was one time where this program was about him. I am not defending anyone because he does not nee to be defended. MU just wanted a change and Buzz did not take pot shots at MU, he just gave you an answer.
If he wanted to leave he could have done so a long time ago. I might believe you if it was just him that left. But when they let the woman's coach go too and played like they wanted Smart I knew it was administration that wanted to move on, not Buzz.
From the moment his top assistant was let go that was the beginning of the end. You are trying to paint him in a bad light and I don't see it. Let him go. We will see if he is a good coach down in Blacksburg.
I believe that he is a good guy but sometimes doubt creeps into your mind. You know, when you think that you might have been played.
His laughs and expressions appeared genuine. But not that he's not around, it can appear questionable, contrived.
I'm not painting him in a bad light, just trying to "cast light" on his actions while at MU.
Especially how this past year unfolded.
I believe that he knew this was going to be his last year. And the losing...the complaints...the negativity were too much for him to deal with. It's how one deals with that type of adversity that defines who you are as a coach. However, the business side of it - not harming his career - seemed to speak louder to him, I think.
Re: Wojo's schtick. Everyone has one...but he's been at a Blue Blood program and knows what can be sold and what can't. Moreover, cutting the BS and crap will be easier for him since he's been associated with successful programs.
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I have to admit it's getting better
A little better all the time
(It couldn't get no worse)
John Lennon
Getting Betta, Betta all the time
Pat Travers
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That's not true. Now they didn't go out of the way to make him happy, but they never told him to leave.
And you know this , how? Were you there? There are many ways to show one the door without saying you are fired. It happens often. But Sultan know all, and is Buzz's life time butt boy.
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"You better you better you bet" -- Pete Townshend
Know when to hold them and know when to fold them--Kenny Rogers.
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She lies and says she's in love with him, can't find a better man...
She dreams in color, she dreams in red, can't find a better man...
She lies and says she still loves him, can't find a better man...
She dreams in color, she dreams in red, can't find a better man...
Can't find a better man
Can't find a better man
Yeah...
-- Eddie Vedder
I ain't sayin' you treated me unkind
You coulda' done better, but, I don't mind
You just kinda' wasted my precious time
But don't think twice, it's alright....
-- Bob Dylan
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We can't go on together with suspicious minds--Elvis
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Seems like all these coaches develop a character or schtick and stick with it. We saw it with Crean and the same schtick carried over to IU. Now we're seeing it with Buzz. Same old phrases. About the only thing he changed is instead of saying, "I don't mean that in a condescending way" to "I don't mean that in a sarcastic way."
Now we have Wojo working on his schtick and most fans are eating it up. These same fans will be heartbroken and angry when he moves on.
These coaches are like actors developing a character. They're not genuine, don't buy into it so much.
This.
We can like our coach. We can like how the team performs. We can even "buy in" (hooray, cliches!)
But, let's remember the things we see and hear aren't always "real". They are part of a coaching "character" that these guys have to develop.
It's not unlike a school teacher. A teacher can't be "real" with his students. There is a certain conduct and level of professionalism expected from a teacher. A teacher or coach cannot treat his/her students the same way they would treat their own kids. They have to always "act" like a teacher.
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"You better you better you bet" -- Pete Townshend
from that song..."knowing I'm so eager to fight can't make letting me in any easier"...may apply more to this board.
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She said, "man, there's really something wrong with you.
One day you're gonna' self-destruct.
You're up, you're down, I can't work you out
You get a good thing goin' then you blow yourself out."
Silly boy ya' self-destroyer. Silly boy ya' self-destroyer
Silly boy you got so much to live for
So much to aim for, so much to try for
You blowing it all with paranoia
You're so insecure you self-destroyer
Paranoia, the destroyer
Paranoia, the destroyer
-- Ray Davies
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Please people look at what your saying. When Buzz was at MU he was doing all these charities, being humble etc. and these same posters gave him credit for it. Then when he leaves he was a phony and it was all schtick and an act? If Buzz was anything he was remarkable consistant in his approach and "mantra" , so now you people are saying for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for 6 years everything he was doing was a schtick and phony?
I dont think you posters that feel that way are really that dumb. You are suffering from jilted lovers complex and are in no way speaking reasonably. Please Buzz is who he is, the only thing that has changed is his employer.
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Please people look at what your saying. When Buzz was at MU he was doing all these charities, being humble etc. and these same posters gave him credit for it. Then when he leaves he was a phony and it was all schtick and an act? If Buzz was anything he was remarkable consistant in his approach and "mantra" , so now you people are saying for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for 6 years everything he was doing was a schtick and phony?
I dont think you posters that feel that way are really that dumb. You are suffering from jilted lovers complex and are in no way speaking reasonably. Please Buzz is who he is, the only thing that has changed is his employer.
Talk of unity - a far cry from the slander and rivalry
Why should we encourage what is in fact a circle of hypocrisy
Impulsive jealousy
Where's the so-called harmony?
Internally untrusting
Externally inspiring
-- Napalm Death
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Getting Betta, Betta all the time
Pat Travers
Pretty sure that's Beatles song, but anyways Pat Travers was my first concert. He's one of my best friend's mom's cousin so we went in 7th grade when he opened for Nazareth.
Normally when people ask I say John Mellencamp was my first show cuz people have no idea who Pat Travers is.
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Pretty sure that's Beatles song, but anyways Pat Travers was my first concert. He's one of my best friend's mom's cousin so we went in 7th grade when he opened for Nazareth.
Normally when people ask I say John Mellencamp was my first show cuz people have no idea who Pat Travers is.
that is not a Beatles song LOL
Putting It Straight
Side One
1."Life In London" - 4:22 (Travers)
2."It Ain't What It Seems" - 4:13 (Travers)
3."Speakeasy" - 3:18 (Travers)
4."Runnin' From The Future" - 3:47 (Travers)
5."Lovin' You" - 4:03 (Travers)
Side Two
1."Off Beat Ride" - 4:36 (Travers)
2."Gettin' Betta" - 4:45 (Cowling, Travers)
3."Dedication Parts 1 & 2" - 7:55 (Travers)
I first saw PT open for Rush at the Arena in 1977 right after Putting It Straight was released
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Know when to hold them and know when to fold them--Kenny Rogers.
You posting that line is the ultimate irony.
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We can't go on together with suspicious minds--Elvis
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused.--Elvis
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I whipped off her bloomers 'n stiffened my thumb
An' applied rotation on her sugar plum
-- Frank Zappa
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You've lost that lovin' feelin'--Hall and Oates
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So, has quoting music lyrics replaced haikus?
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You've lost that lovin' feelin'--Hall and Oates TOP GUN
https://www.youtube.com/v/HVNWSEX-WqU
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So, has quoting music lyrics replaced haikus?
I Write the Songs - Bruce Johnston
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You've lost that lovin' feelin'--Hall and Oates
Hall and freakin' Oates? C'mon, Doc. Just one of many covers. The original (and the mega hit) was by the Righteous Brothers in the mid 60s. Think Phil Spector wrote and produced it, one of the biggest hits of all time.
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I think I may have gone to high school with the Righteous Bros.
How 'bout "Heard It Through The Grapevine"--Marvin Gaye
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I Write the Songs - Bruce Johnston
I believe you mean Robert Hunter writes the songs. True poet. His job his to spread light, not to master
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I think I may have gone to high school with the Righteous Bros.
How 'bout "Heard It Through The Grapevine"--Marvin Gaye
Much better. And another by Marvin - "What's Goin' On?"
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Hall and freakin' Oates? C'mon, Doc. Just one of many covers. The original (and the mega hit) was by the Righteous Brothers in the mid 60s. Think Phil Spector wrote and produced it, one of the biggest hits of all time.
I saw that too, Bernstein, but I think Painless was referencing Bert's stated love for the Legendary Hall & Oates
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I saw that too, Bernstein, but I think Painless was referencing Bert's stated love for the Legendary Hall & Oates
Ah, makes sense.
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I think everytime Buzz had things going right he unintentionally found a way to self-destruct. For example winning at West Virginia with several players suspended for a half should of been a great accomplishment. This accomplishment was quickly overshadowed by him doing the two step on West Virginia's floor.
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I think everytime Buzz had things going right he unintentionally found a way to self-destruct. For example winning at West Virginia with several players suspended for a half should of been a great accomplishment. This accomplishment was quickly overshadowed by him doing the two step on West Virginia's floor.
Agree, but I loved the two step
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For a guy who answered every question at his hiring press conference with "it's about the guys" he sure seemed to like the attention/spotlight on him. The two step, the butcher & baker candle stick BS after advancing to the sweet 16, the calling out the NCAA for not being allowed to eat a burger after advacing to the sweet 16, the flirting with every job opening, etc. I was at that opening press conference and it was the most confusing 45 minutes ever. "It's about the guys" my ass.
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I whipped off her bloomers 'n stiffened my thumb
An' applied rotation on her sugar plum
-- Frank Zappa
I poked and stroked till my wrist got numb
but I still didn't hear no Dinah Moe hum
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I think I may have gone to high school with the Righteous Bros.
How 'bout "Heard It Through The Grapevine"--Marvin Gaye
Or Gladys Knight and the Pips.
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Talk of unity - a far cry from the slander and rivalry
Why should we encourage what is in fact a circle of hypocrisy
Impulsive jealousy
Where's the so-called harmony?
Internally untrusting
Externally inspiring
-- Napalm Death
Keefe: Napalm death can only be ordered on people by Robert Duvall, and only in the morning.
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You've lost that lovin' feelin'--Hall and Oates
There is no version in the Galaxy that can touch the Righteous Brothers. None. Zip.
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I poked and stroked till my wrist got numb
but I still didn't hear no Dinah Moe hum
Got a spot that gets me hot
An' you ain't been to it
-- Frank Zappa
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Got a spot that gets me hot
An' you ain't been to it
-- Frank Zappa
She was buns-up kneelin'
I was wheelin' an' dealin'
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She was buns-up kneelin'
I was wheelin' an' dealin'
She sweetly surrendered
An' she started in to squealin'
--Frank Zappa
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She sweetly surrendered
An' she started in to squealin'
--Frank Zappa
Feral days when I'm sex crazed,
I put it in with my animal ways.
--Stephan Jenkins
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Yet ANOTHER off-topic thread! LOL
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Feral days when I'm sex crazed,
I put it in with my animal ways.
--Stephan Jenkins
You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals
So let's do it like they do it on Discovery channel
--The Bloodhound Gang
Someone had to class it up in here ;D
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It ain't the meat, its the motion...
--Southside Johnny
http://www.google.com/search?q=southside+johnny+it+ain't+the+meat&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
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Hey, I'm the only one on the board right now....
Wooo hoooo!
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You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals
So let's do it like they do it on Discovery channel
--The Bloodhound Gang
Someone had to class it up in here ;D
The lap dance is always better when the stripper is crying.
- The Bloodhound Gang
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The lap dance is always better when the stripper is crying.
- The Bloodhound Gang
She ain't no Cinderella when she's gettin' undressed
Cause she rocks it like the naughty wicked witch of the west
-- Nickelback
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House of the Rising Sun--The Animals