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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Jay Bee on June 03, 2014, 08:16:13 PM
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2015 (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2015)
I don't get into these rankings much other than to see if there are guys I think folks are way off on.
There remains some on the list.. and I'll share a couple in this post. But first.. onto Henry. My thoughts on him go back years and have been consistent.. but even on this board.. some of the recent commentary:
April 2013
Henry is currently underrated in rankings and has the potential to be an exceptional college player. As his ball handling, speed & quickness improve the reality of being a 3/4 in college becomes more and more realizable. His skills are there. He can get down low and bang, but likes to run & work on the perimeter as well.
He's played a number of different ways in high school, AAU, at camps (including playing with the 'bigs' group at the US MDNT camp along with/against Diamond)... getting quite well rounded.
June 2013
MU is in the mix and those that have him ranked in the upper 20's have him underrated.
Early April 2014
Playground Elite Wilson (YUS!) - Henry "HenBA" Ellenson has of course been one of my favorites for a long while. Underrated nationally - let's watch the respect elevate.
Finally ESPN has seen what's always been evident. They've put him at #5.
Rivals has him at #56. Scout at #62. Crazy. They'll figure it out as well.
Now, onto some other guys who may be 'values' at their current ranking.. i.e., they are better than their newest ESPN ranking... and some other guys I just have random comments on...
Brandon Ingram #12. Not kidding.
Dwayne Bacon at #40. C'mon now. Big time. Had MU interest from the former clan... Floridian.
(Right below him at #41 is Teki Gill-Caeser... from CIA Bounce [Canada].. has MU interest and there are similarities between him and a recent MU cager -- Wesley Matthews. Keep an eye on dude.)
(Nick N. is in at #50.. sounds fine.)
Georgetown has some big boys coming in.. Jessie Govan (#48) and Noah Dickerson (#66)... both could move up.
..and one I can't stress enough. #77 Horace Spencer. 77?! That is crazy talk. Watch for him to R I S E. Great year though.
edit: Oh yeah, I'll give you one more. Damontrae Jefferson isn't even on the list. Brewtown's own is sensational.
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Appreciate your recruiting info.
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2015 (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2015)
I don't get into these rankings much other than to see if there are guys I think folks are way off on.
There remains some on the list.. and I'll share a couple in this post. But first.. onto Henry. My thoughts on him go back years and have been consistent.. but even on this board.. some of the recent commentary:
April 2013
June 2013
Early April 2014
Finally ESPN has seen what's always been evident. They've put him at #5.
Rivals has him at #56. Scout at #62. Crazy. They'll figure it out as well.
Now, onto some other guys who may be 'values' at their current ranking.. i.e., they are better than their newest ESPN ranking... and some other guys I just have random comments on...
Brandon Ingram #12. Not kidding.
Dwayne Bacon at #40. C'mon now. Big time. Had MU interest from the former clan... Floridian.
(Right below him at #41 is Teki Gill-Caeser... from CIA Bounce [Canada].. has MU interest and there are similarities between him and a recent MU cager -- Wesley Matthews. Keep an eye on dude.)
(Nick N. is in at #50.. sounds fine.)
Georgetown has some big boys coming in.. Jessie Govan (#48) and Noah Dickerson (#66)... both could move up.
..and one I can't stress enough. #77 Horace Spencer. 77?! That is crazy talk. Watch for him to R I S E. Great year though.
edit: Oh yeah, I'll give you one more. Damontrae Jefferson isn't even on the list. Brewtown's own is sensational.
Even just for the name we need Bacon!!
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I liked what Finklstein was saying about Ellenson, especially the bolded section
2. Oh, Henry. No player has made a more dramatic jump up the rankings than Henry Ellenson, who went all the way from No. 47 to No. 5 in the ESPN 100. Ellenson averaged 18 points and 9 rebounds per game for Playground Elite during the EYBL season, showing a versatile and unique game for a 6-foot-9 power forward, all while continuing to raise his level of his production with each passing week. He can shoot the ball from the 3-point line but is also a threat to put the ball on the floor. He is perhaps most effective when he’s able to get out and run in transition.
I like the idea of a true big who is most effective when he's in transition
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Charles Matthews fell about 20 slots. Coach Cal has been going hard after Malik Newman. This is admittedly a stretch, but if Matthews gets recruited over, he may think about taking his services elsewhere. Extremely unlikely but a man can dream!
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Thanks Jay Bee. If Stone and Ellenson end up RSCI Top10, will that be the first time two Wisconsinites end up in the Top 10?
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Do we have a realistic chance of landing Stone and/or Ellenson? One more than the other?
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Do we have a realistic chance of landing Stone and/or Ellenson? One more than the other?
We will not get either.
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We will not get either.
We will get both. Anything less is unacceptable. Beware Wojo, Willie is watching.
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We will not get either.
Probably correct. But you have no information to justify making a definitive statement.
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We will not get either.
Wouldn't be so sure on Ellenson. Stone isn't gonna happen.
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How Jalen Brunson is only 22nd I will never know. Kid is the best high school basketball player I've seen since Derrick Rose.
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We will get both. Anything less is unacceptable. Beware Wojo, Willie is watching.
Of course, unacceptable doesn't mean that anything should happen to Wojo, it just means that MU should accept the unacceptable.
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Of course, unacceptable doesn't mean that anything should happen to Wojo, it just means that MU should accept the unacceptable.
Exactly
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Wouldn't be so sure on Ellenson. Stone isn't gonna happen.
In Diamond's top 3, Ellenson's top 5.
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Sean millers teams are fun to watch - tall, long, and all uber athletic. He's a heck of a recruiter. He has #23 and #24. He seems to have a roster full of switchables but all of them are SF's instead of guards.
O$U with #43, #62, #87
$yracuse with #15, #44, #59, #70
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How Jalen Brunson is only 22nd I will never know. Kid is the best high school basketball player I've seen since Derrick Rose.
Never seen him but hear that offensively he has it all. Only (slight) problem is he's closer to 6' than the 6'2" he's listed at - pretty short for a 2 guard.
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Never seen him but hear that offensively he has it all. Only (slight) problem is he's closer to 6' than the 6'2" he's listed at - pretty short for a 2 guard.
Villanova has a good shot at landing Brunson
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In Diamond's top 3, Ellenson's top 5.
Just like when Madison was in Tokoto's and Looney's top 5s.
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Probably correct. But you have no information to justify making a definitive statement.
+1
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Just like when Madison was in Tokoto's and Looney's top 5s.
Madison was. They didn't get either. But they were in the running until the very end. If you had come out a month before Tokoto or Looney announced and said "they are not going to Madison," you would have been lodging a guess, not stating a fact. Just like you are doing now.
This is a fan board. It is a great place to log predictions. I get annoyed when people try to pass predictions off as facts.
MU being in Diamond's top 3 and Ellenson's top 5 is a FACT as of two weeks ago. I have not asked about either since then. Unless you have fresher information, saying neither will come to Marquette at this point is an OPINION.
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Madison was. They didn't get either. But they were in the running until the very end. If you had come out a month before Tokoto or Looney announced and said "they are not going to Madison," you would have been lodging a guess, not stating a fact. Just like you are doing now.
This is a fan board. It is a great place to log predictions. I get annoyed when people try to pass predictions off as facts.
MU being in Diamond's top 3 and Ellenson's top 5 is a FACT as of two weeks ago. I have not asked about either since then. Unless you have fresher information, saying neither will come to Marquette at this point is an OPINION.
You'd be surprised.
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We will get both. Anything less is unacceptable. Beware Wojo, Willie is watching.
Yes, I am. But one thing you are missing Lenny: The phony downhome lonesome dufus would not have landed either.
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Yes, I am. But one thing you are missing Lenny: The phony downhome lonesome dufus would not have landed either.
1 You don't know that.
2.What difference does it make, he's not our coach.
3. If it would have been "unacceptable" for Buzz not to land a top 5 big man from our home state will it be twice as unacceptable (double secret probation?) if Wojo misses on both? Just checking to see if there's any consistency to your outrageous "demands".
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Never seen him but hear that offensively he has it all. Only (slight) problem is he's closer to 6' than the 6'2" he's listed at - pretty short for a 2 guard.
He's a point guard.
Nonetheless, I think ~20-25 is an appropriate ranking for him.
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He's a point guard.
Nonetheless, I think ~20-25 is an appropriate ranking for him.
My mistake. Saw his scoring numbers (I think he had over 50 in the Illinois state tourney semis) and just assumed he was a 2.
Is he a point or a combo in college?
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1 You don't know that.
2.What difference does it make, he's not our coach.
3. If it would have been "unacceptable" for Buzz not to land a top 5 big man from our home state will it be twice as unacceptable (double secret probation?) if Wojo misses on both? Just checking to see if there's any consistency to your outrageous "demands".
As always here is my cogent response:
1. You, I and all others do know that.
2. It does make a difference. Another reason El Buzzo split. Could not land the bigs.
3. Buzz had been recruiting Stone for a few years and had many advantages. Wojo has not. If Wojo misses on both, it will not be very pleasant, and many will be disappointed. I do not think he will miss on both.
BTW, I have never made an outrageous demand, unlike you, and your demands in your post.
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My mistake. Saw his scoring numbers (I think he had over 50 in the Illinois state tourney semis) and just assumed he was a 2.
Is he a point or a combo in college?
Yeah, had 50+ in a loss in the state tourney and 50+ in another game just a few weeks earlier in an OT win against Boudreaux, who MU fans will dislike if the Warriors ever play against him (Boudreaux, that is).
But, Brunson is a PG all the way. In EYBL he was probably around a 28% usage guy, but 36% assist rate. A lotta shots, a lotta dishes.
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Scout's update is out. (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2015)
Nick in at #87.
Henry at #7.
Ingram at #26 (he's legit, don't believe the #26)
Bacon at #28
Horace Spencer at #52.
Diamond is #1.
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Scout's update is out. (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2015)
Nick in at #87.
Henry at #7.
Ingram at #26 (he's legit, don't believe the #26)
Bacon at #28
Horace Spencer at #52.
Diamond is #1.
So, we could get #1 and #7, hey?
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So, we could get #1 and #7, hey?
If we still had Buzzo--most definitely
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Yeah, had 50+ in a loss in the state tourney and 50+ in another game just a few weeks earlier in an OT win against Boudreaux, who MU fans will dislike if the Warriors ever play against him (Boudreaux, that is).
But, Brunson is a PG all the way. In EYBL he was probably around a 28% usage guy, but 36% assist rate. A lotta shots, a lotta dishes.
Did we ever recruit him? He lives only an hour from campus.
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I don't get into these rankings much other than to see if there are guys I think folks are way off on.
Now, onto some other guys who may be 'values' at their current ranking.. i.e., they are better than their newest ESPN ranking... and some other guys I just have random comments on...
Brandon Ingram #12. Not kidding.
Dwayne Bacon at #40. C'mon now. Big time. Had MU interest from the former clan... Floridian.
..and one I can't stress enough. #77 Horace Spencer. 77?! That is crazy talk. Watch for him to R I S E. Great year though.
edit: Oh yeah, I'll give you one more. Damontrae Jefferson isn't even on the list. Brewtown's own is sensational.
Updated ESPN rankings out..
Ingram still #12. Bacon jumps from #40 to #20. Word.
Horace goes from #77 to #59.
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Updated ESPN rankings out..
Ingram still #12. Bacon jumps from #40 to #20. Word.
Horace goes from #77 to #59.
Wow! You are the shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! Glad you resurrected a 7 month old thread to pat yourself on the back. Good for you bro!
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Yes, let's take shots at a person providing recruiting info. It's only, by its very nature, the future of our program and is in no way interesting or informative. Get it together, Jay Bee.
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Brandon Ingram surprising some of the folks watching McDonald's events/practices/games in Chicago.. Scoopers knew this day would be coming...
I don't get into these rankings much other than to see if there are guys I think folks are way off on.
...some other guys who may be 'values' at their current ranking.. i.e., they are better than their newest ESPN ranking...
Brandon Ingram #12. Not kidding.
Scout's update is out. (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2015)
Ingram at #26 (he's legit, don't believe the #26)
(http://i.imgur.com/kjdjyKB.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/q5mYNq2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/g1deID8.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/BZeLPLN.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/YjiBXXJ.png)
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Updated ESPN rankings out..
Ingram still #12. Bacon jumps from #40 to #20. Word.
Horace goes from #77 to #59.
Horace Spencer's first game: Auburn wins 75-74 vs. UAB. "Cokley's shot was blocked by Auburn freshman Horace Spencer with 1.8 seconds left, allowing the Tigers to hold on for a 75-74 win in the 2015-16 season opener. (http://www.al.com/auburnbasketball/2015/11/watch_horace_spencers_block_th.html#incart_article_small)" 7 rebounds, 5 blocks in 20 minutes. Nice.
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Dwayne Bacon named ACC frosh of the week. (http://www.seminoles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=32900&ATCLID=210503998) 146 ORtg, 27% usage, 41% shots, 34% DR%, 0 turnovers.
"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (seminoles.com) -- Dwayne Bacon, who enjoyed arguably the best freshman debut in Florida State history with a game-high 23 points, a game high eight rebounds, two steals and one assist in 24 minutes played as a starter in the Seminoles’ season opening 109-62 win over Nicholls State, was named the ACC Rookie of the Week by a Blue Ribbon panel of media members who cover the ACC.
Bacon’s 23 points scored against Nicholls State are the most by a freshman in his first game at Florida State.
Bacon (Lakeland, Fla.) led the Seminoles with nine field goals made, was tied for game high honors with four free throws made (he was a perfect four of four of four from the free throw line) and made the first shot of his career – a 3-pointer– on the first attempt of his career only 18 seconds into the first game of his career. He also pulled down a game-high eight rebounds as Florida State outrebounded the Colonels by a 42-21 margin."
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Brandon Ingram's first two games: 18 ppg, 129 ORtg, 25% usage, 30% shots, 8% to rate, 6% blk, 4% stl
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As the only Auburn resident with MU season tickets I can only weigh in that they are going crazy here about Spencer's block to beat UAB. My friends who were there who played some college ball said the shot was clearly going in otherwise - though I've never been that good at judging.