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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: BallBoy on April 23, 2014, 10:27:37 PM
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Brian Snow tweeted this on the topic.
Brian Snow @BSnowScout 5m
I keep reading that basketball players are less skilled than 30 yrs ago, yet I keep watching games and saying "Damn these dudes are skilled"
Brian Snow @BSnowScout 2m
I think people equate more athletic to less skilled. It just isn't reality. They are now more athletic and as skilled if not more skilled
So it looks like Athletes and Traditionals can intermix.
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Less fundamentals, I believe.
You can have some skills but not have the fundamentals of them.
Athleticism helps to cover or make up the difference.
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Less fundamentals, I believe.
You can have some skills but not have the fundamentals of them.
Athleticism helps to cover or make up the difference.
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You know "athletic" is code for one group as "studious" or "industrious" is code for ours.
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You know "athletic" is code for one group as "studious" or "industrious" is code for ours.
I finally know who you are, Keefe!
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But I thought you were dead!
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I think that high school, college and NBA players are way more skilled than they were 20 years ago. Really I don't think it is very close.
Go look at games from back then. It is a noticeable difference.
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...So it looks like Athletes and Traditionals can intermix...
I think there are still laws against this in a few southern states.
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A couple major differences. Ball handlers are allowed to carry the ball now. What is standard dribbling now was not allowed 40 years ago. On the flip side, referees are much more lenient when it comes to allowing defenders to reach in for the steal.
The other big difference in skill set, at least to me, is that the pull up jumper is a lost art. Back in the day most guards could start a drive and pull up quickly anywhere from 6-15 feet and take a solid jumper. It seems that the 3 point line and the desire to get to the foul line has led to guys either firing from long range or taking it all the way to the rim, with the pull-up jumper disappearing from most players arsenals.
Also, defensive techniques and footwork are much improved over the last 40 years.
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A couple major differences. Ball handlers are allowed to carry the ball now. What is standard dribbling now was not allowed 40 years ago. On the flip side, referees are much more lenient when it comes to allowing defenders to reach in for the steal.
The other big difference in skill set, at least to me, is that the pull up jumper is a lost art. Back in the day most guards could start a drive and pull up quickly anywhere from 6-15 feet and take a solid jumper. It seems that the 3 point line and the desire to get to the foul line has led to guys either firing from long range or taking it all the way to the rim, with the pull-up jumper disappearing from most players arsenals.
Also, defensive techniques and footwork are much improved over the last 40 years.
I think the latter has impacted the jumper. The kids are longer and will contest shots more.
Everytime I see a jumper in old films, I usually see the guy just stand there looking with/without his arms challenging the shot.
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Also, when you watch NBA and college games from 30 + years ago, the defensive rotations are not nearly as sophisticated. Prior to the 3pt line, you would just see sagging and clogging of the middle. Now, the switches and rotations are much more elaborate. Agreed on the close outs. You would see teams work for the 17 ft jumper, which would be nearly uncontested. Think Sikma, Laimbeer, Bernard King. The Lakers, Celtics, and 76ers played good man to man, but it wasn't until the Bad Boys that you really saw sophisticated switches and help. A lot of that came thanks to Jordan. And yes, they were far more physical than is permitted today. Many would double the post, but the Pistons were the first to always send a second player at a scoring wing or point.
Even watching the 77 championship game, look at how simple the man schemes are. Look at how basic Al's zone was. And yet it changed the flow of the game. Because of the shot clock and the 3 pt shot, defenses at the college level are far more sophisticated.
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The other big difference in skill set, at least to me, is that the pull up jumper is a lost art. Back in the day most guards could start a drive and pull up quickly anywhere from 6-15 feet and take a solid jumper. It seems that the 3 point line and the desire to get to the foul line has led to guys either firing from long range or taking it all the way to the rim, with the pull-up jumper disappearing from most players arsenals.
This is why Mayo's pull-up jumper is so valuable. Hopefully he has noticed that it's easier to pull up for an easy 2 rather than trying to get all the way to the hoop.
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Yet a "dime a dozen" guard like Steph Curry can excel in the NBA, because of shooting; not athletics.
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Yet a "dime a dozen" guard like Steph Curry can excel in the NBA, because of shooting; not athletics.
Speaking of Curry's shooting, a couple of those shots he hit at the end of the game last night were insane.
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Not as smart as players used to be. That's my opinion. Maybe more skilled and certainly more athletic. But I can't tell you how many times I shake my head at the lack of rudimentary basketball strategy knowledge some players have.