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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on April 18, 2014, 09:27:11 AM
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Not a surprise so many recruits bolted. They don't know Wojo, and in many cases, they might not have even heard of Wojo until April 2 (many of these kids are not fans of the game like us). Cohen said he never heard of Wojo before April 2.
When Brent took over he was able to retain Otule, Butler and Fulce because he was already an assistant here and recruited those guys to come here. Big difference than an assistant from another program that these kids never heard of. What they did is what Ty Taylor/Hurley did, cannot commit to play for a coach they know nothing about. It's a reasonable decision.
So we have three open scholarships. 10 players is not enough, barely enough to hold a scrimmage. Wojo HAS TO get AT LEAST 2 more bodies. You never ever ever want to "bank scholarships." That is nothing but a self-imposed penalty.
Does anyone have names that are seriously considering MU, not fantasies like Horford?
This is Wojo's second big test, his first big test was keeping the existing team from blowing apart. And for the first time since Brent took over, we have a semester with no transfers.
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We know about Cohen and Hill. Do we have definitive decisions from the rest of the 2014 class?
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Pierce released from NLI today or yesterday. Shayok released from NLI last week. Malek Harris never signed though we are still in his top 5.
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It is not worth wasting a scholarship just to find a body for practice, find 2 walk-ons then give a second rate player a scholarship. Let Wojo build a program starting next fall, it will be very
interesting to see how he does. Buzz was a recruiting alcoholic, really was all over the place. The state of Wisconsin has some talent next year, lets see how he does there and Chi is 90 miles away. The honeymoon is over, working with the players, meeting the alumni, time to roll up his sleeves and recruit like a madman.
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Yup, no surprise that the highly ranked recruiting class is now defunct. It happens whenever there is a transition. Wojo has done well to keep the existing team together. Cohen was essentially low hanging fruit. Wojo is starting from way behind, as Duke was done recruiting for '14 and he wasn't really planning this move a month ago. If he lands any quality players for the 14-15 season, I will be impressed.
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Don't want the butcher, baker, or candlestick maker.
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It is not worth wasting a scholarship just to find a body for practice, find 2 walk-ons then give a second rate player a scholarship. Let Wojo build a program starting next fall, it will be very
interesting to see how he does. Buzz was a recruiting alcoholic, really was all over the place. The state of Wisconsin has some talent next year, lets see how he does there and Chi is 90 miles away. The honeymoon is over, working with the players, meeting the alumni, time to roll up his sleeves and recruit like a madman.
We have one junior (Taylor) so two jucos with two years of eligibility would be perfect to balance off the classes. The third can go to the best available unsigned high schooler Wojo can land.
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Not a surprise so many recruits bolted. They don't know Wojo, and in many cases, they might not have even heard of Wojo until April 2 (many of these kids are not fans of the game like us). Cohen said he never heard of Wojo before April 2.
When Brent took over he was able to retain Otule, Butler and Fulce because he was already an assistant here and recruited those guys to come here. Big difference than an assistant from another program that these kids never heard of. What they did is what Ty Taylor/Hurley did, cannot commit to play for a coach they know nothing about. It's a reasonable decision.
So we have three open scholarships. 10 players is not enough, barely enough to hold a scrimmage. Wojo HAS TO get AT LEAST 2 more bodies. You never ever ever want to "bank scholarships." That is nothing but a self-imposed penalty.
Does anyone have names that are seriously considering MU, not fantasies like Horford?
This is Wojo's second big test, his first big test was keeping the existing team from blowing apart. And for the first time since Brent took over, we have a semester with no transfers.
If need be Wojo can get walk-ons to have enough bodies for a scrimmage.
Your comments almost sound like Wojo needs to land a high-level recruit or two or he's in danger of failing miserably. I don't know of any specific players we are recruiting for the 2014 class, but there's not many uncommitted high-level players out there...except Myles Turner. I feel confident Wojo will come up with some players, but I think it's a bit early in his tenure to start putting "or else" conditions on anything.
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We have one junior (Taylor) so two jucos with two years of eligibility would be perfect to balance off the classes. The third can go to the best available unsigned high schooler Wojo can land.
I am not sure Wojo has any connections with JC coaches, he is not recruited the JC arena I am sure, Duke never needed to take JC kids and I am sure the academics at Duke do not relate to
those types of players. He can get a graduate transfer which is the way to go. Maybe bring in one of those. Then recruit 4 kids next year and as the junior class is empty with just Steve
Taylor. Get 2 or 3 more players in that year then.
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Once Haith leaves Missou, time to go poach this guy who holds a MU offer from Brett...
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/JaKeenan-Gant-20704/RecruitInterests (http://247sports.com/Recruitment/JaKeenan-Gant-20704/RecruitInterests)
Also, might be able to get in on this guy but he didn't have a MU or Duke offer...
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Namon-Wright-25108/RecruitInterests (http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Namon-Wright-25108/RecruitInterests)
If Painter does bolt Purdue for Missou, then hey have some intriguing options including a top 100 7'1" center...
http://purdue.247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketball/Commits (http://purdue.247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketball/Commits)
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Once Haith leaves Missou, time to go poach this guy who holds a MU offer from Brett...
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/JaKeenan-Gant-20704/RecruitInterests (http://247sports.com/Recruitment/JaKeenan-Gant-20704/RecruitInterests)
Also, might be able to get in on this guy but he didn't have a MU or Duke offer...
http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Namon-Wright-25108/RecruitInterests (http://247sports.com/Recruitment/Namon-Wright-25108/RecruitInterests)
If Painter does bolt Purdue for Missou, then hey have some intriguing options including a top 100 7'1" center...
http://purdue.247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketball/Commits (http://purdue.247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketball/Commits)
Gant would be a huge get if we could pull that off.
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We have 10 solid players that all will want and need minutes .No need to rush . He can focus on the transfers and foreign to find a couple bigs.
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We have 10 solid players that all will want and need minutes .No need to rush . He can focus on the transfers and foreign to find a couple bigs.
I agree, make those 10 happy next year, add one big if you can find somebody who can play. I always feel that the 12th and 13th man on a team never are two happy. It happened last year with to many players. Particularly playing the wrong players.
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I hear Jabari Parker is leaving Duke... go get him Woj.
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We have one junior (Taylor) so two jucos with two years of eligibility would be perfect to balance off the classes. The third can go to the best available unsigned high schooler Wojo can land.
Not many Jucos of quality left at this point.
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We have 10 11 solid players that all will want and need minutes .No need to rush . He can focus on the transfers and foreign to find a couple bigs.
Mr Dylan Flood
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I am not sure Wojo has any connections with JC coaches, he is not recruited the JC arena I am sure, Duke never needed to take JC kids and I am sure the academics at Duke do not relate to
those types of players. He can get a graduate transfer which is the way to go. Maybe bring in one of those. Then recruit 4 kids next year and as the junior class is empty with just Steve
Taylor. Get 2 or 3 more players in that year then.
I believe Duke has a rule that limits the number of jucos relative to the number of kids that qualified out of high school. I think the ratio is 1:20 student athletes. If I had to guess, most of the jucos that Duke admits are football players. 85 scholarships. Redshirts. Transfers. Season-ending injuries. Career-ending injuries. It's almost impossible to NOT recruit jucos for football from time to time.
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It will be interesting to see how Wojo attacks this. In my mind, we really just need one big body to eat some minutes and give us some fouls. Buzz played too many different lineups anyway, its nice to be able to go 12 deep, but not necessary (see MU '09-'10).
PG: Duane / Derrick
SG: Mayo / Dawson
SG2: JJJ / Cohen
F1: Burton /Juan
F2: Taylor / Fischer
Add another big and we'll have plenty enough to compete next season and will be a much more fun team to watch. Then we'll see what Wojo can do with a full season to recruit...
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We have 10 solid players that all will want and need minutes .No need to rush . He can focus on the transfers and foreign to find a couple bigs.
One guy has a bad season, one guy gets hurt and another has the flu. ... Then we're trying to win at tOSU with Dylan Flood playing 15 minutes.
Get bodies!!!
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Don't worry. We've got plenty of talent up north.
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Where is WOJO in regards to Stone.
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It will be interesting to see how Wojo attacks this. In my mind, we really just need one big body to eat some minutes and give us some fouls. Buzz played too many different lineups anyway, its nice to be able to go 12 deep, but not necessary (see MU '09-'10).
PG: Duane / Derrick
SG: Mayo / Dawson
SG2: JJJ / Cohen
F1: Burton /Juan
F2: Taylor / Fischer
Add another big and we'll have plenty enough to compete next season and will be a much more fun team to watch. Then we'll see what Wojo can do with a full season to recruit...
I agree with this. Pierce would have been valuable to take up space and commit fouls, if nothing else. We could use another big body. Beyond that, we've got plenty -- as long as the plenty (Duane, JJJ, Cohen, Fischer) turn out to be as good as advertised.
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Marlon Jones
Naimon Wright
TBD
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I see Idrissa Diallo, who Marquette was at least somewhat involved with under Brett has decommitted from California. Certainly a big body. Tommy TanCreano seems to be after him pretty hard.
http://247sports.com/Player/Idrissa-Diallo-21157 (http://247sports.com/Player/Idrissa-Diallo-21157)
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One guy has a bad season, one guy gets hurt and another has the flu. ... Then we're trying to win at tOSU with Dylan Flood playing 15 minutes.
Get bodies!!!
For your scenario to happen 3 or 4 guys would have to be out of commission. How many teams play all their guys appreciable minutes every game?
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It's not that 10 guys isn't enough, but I wouldn't be shocked if they could get someone to come in who could actually beat out a few of the 10 we already have for minutes. You would like to have a better team right? 12 competing for 10 spots (decent playing time), is better then 10 competing for 10 spots, right? If someone is not happy it's cause they are getting beat which is part of the deal
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The Georgia Rivals writer just posted this on Twitter re: JaKeenan Gant...
"JaKeenan Gant's AAU coach Michael Stokes tells me if Mizzou were to release him, he would probably go to Indiana or Louisville."
https://twitter.com/AnthonyDasher1/status/457264436613750784 (https://twitter.com/AnthonyDasher1/status/457264436613750784)
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I do not think we get any JC or high school recruits. Possibly a transfer or two, but I suspect we will be going forward with what we have.
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GOT ENOUGH FOR 5 ON FIVE
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What about one of these guys?
http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=10805084&src=desktop
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What about one of these guys?
http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=10805084&src=desktop
They're smart enough to run from Kelvin Sampson so yes, bring 'em aboard!
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I know everyone is just making light of it but you all should know that Dylan is graduating in May and moving on with his life. Chick and I spent a significant amount of time with his family at the awards dinner. Very nice people. Dylan is a fine young man.
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I agree, make those 10 happy next year, add one big if you can find somebody who can play. I always feel that the 12th and 13th man on a team never are two happy. It happened last year with to many players. Particularly playing the wrong players.
We have nine until the semester ends when Luke becomes eligible. As noted above, Flood is graduating.
Again, the nine are fine if you can guarantee no one gets hurt, no one plays poorly (below expectations) and no one misses games early because of the flu/illness/family emergency/etc.
A streak of bad luck early in the season and the bench will look like the West Virginia game from a few years ago.
Added ...
If Steve Taylor gets hurt/sick, who plays the 5 until Luke is eligible? Juan? We are desperate for a big body or two.
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Which is why I think it is foolhardy to have expectations for an NCAA tourney bid next year. New coach, new system, no size early, lack of bodies..... If Wojo is able to work some magic and get a couple of more decent players with a little size for next year, my tune will change.
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Which is why I think it is foolhardy to have expectations for an NCAA tourney bid next year. New coach, new system, no size early, lack of bodies..... If Wojo is able to work some magic and get a couple of more decent players with a little size for next year, my tune will change.
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