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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Sir Lawrence on April 15, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
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Marquette University's Division of Student Affairs has issued official warnings to three fraternities following allegations of sexual misconduct and hazing.
The warnings related to allegations of sexual misconduct were given to the Marquette chapters of Triangle Fraternity, Delta Chi Fraternity and Sigma Phi Delta. Sigma Phi Delta also was warned for a hazing incident at the fraternity house.
The warnings were issued Wednesday, and the university's investigation of the allegations continues, Marya Leatherwood, Marquette's assistant vice president for student affairs, said in a statement released on Tuesday.
The statement doesn't elaborate on the nature of the sexual misconduct and hazing that was alleged to have occurred, nor does it say when. A university spokesman said the alleged incidents did not take place at the same time.
An official warning means that, should any additional violations occur — whether a violation of Greek policies, the university's student code of conduct or specific fraternity chapters' risk management policies — all activities immediately will be suspended pending the conclusion of an investigation, according to the university statement.
Each alleged incident was immediately reported to the Milwaukee Police Department and the university's Department of Public Safety for investigation, officials said. The university investigation of these incidents is ongoing.
The Division of Student Affairs, which investigates students alleged to have violated the student code, has met with the leaders of each chapter and will lead additional sexual misconduct prevention training for the three chapters.
"We expect all of our students to uphold Marquette's Catholic and Jesuit values and to contribute to a safe and respectful environment, and we take any allegation of misconduct extremely seriously," Leatherwood said in the prepared statement.
University policy stipulates that if a student is found responsible for violating the university's conduct policy, disciplinary action will be taken. The results of these cases are confidential, a spokesman said.
All first-year Marquette University students are required to take a university-sponsored training in sexual violence prevention and bystander intervention, and efforts have been made to educate the entire campus, officials said. More than 6,400 students have been trained in the program in the past three years.
Read more from Journal Sentinel: http://www.jsonline.com/news/education/sexual-misconduct-hazing-alleged-at-marquette-fraternities-b99248588z1-255370551.html#ixzz2yzFrJZ3I
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Triangle? Were they getting freaky with their protractors?
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Next up: double secret probation!
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Just gonna get this out there because I know a lot of you are all making assumptions. (Because thats what scoop is) Dont let a few bad eggs from these chapter dictate your view on Greek life as a whole. These are the people who would most likely be getting in trouble whether they were in a fraternity or not.
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A good read on fraternities from the February 2014 print edition of The Atlantic.
The Dark Power of Fraternities
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/02/the-dark-power-of-fraternities/357580/
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1. Unfortunate.
2. Marquette has fraternities?
3. Somehow, Chicos is going to make this Buzz's fault.
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1. Unfortunate.
2. Marquette has fraternities?
3. Somehow, Chicos is going to make this Buzz's fault.
In response to your sass for #2 yes and they are expanding next semester to add another one so becoming pretty prominent on campus. Sororities are adding another chapter too.
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1. Unfortunate.
2. Marquette has fraternities?
3. Somehow, Chicos is going to make this Buzz's fault.
4. Somehow, Ners is going to make this Derrick Wilson's fault.
5. ATK is going to say Cuonzo Martin should be in charge of the frats.
6. keefe is going to post pictures.
7. MikeDeanesDarkGlasses is going to post 12 replies in a hour that amount to nothing.
Added to the list.
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Just gonna get this out there because I know a lot of you are all making assumptions. (Because thats what scoop is) Dont let a few bad eggs from these chapter dictate your view on Greek life as a whole. These are the people who would most likely be getting in trouble whether they were in a fraternity or not.
1) I already have a negative view of Greek life, so these bad eggs don't sully it any further.
2) Somehow, Tower will blame me for not blaming it on Buzz
3) MU has fraternities?
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So the frats are finally having some fun
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1) I already have a negative view of Greek life, so these bad eggs don't sully it any further.
2) Somehow, Tower will blame me for not blaming it on Buzz
3) MU has fraternities?
Hey, we agree!
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As I was driving down fraternity row in Ann Arbor this past Friday afternoon, I was contemplating how happy I was that I went to a college at a time when the Greek system didn't really exist there. As if on cue, a d-bag driving the Cadillac ATS his daddy must have bought him ran a stop sign, cut me off, and whipped his way into the driveway of one of these bastions of......whatever, jumped out wearing his pastel oxford, and ran wooooo-ing up to his brothers.
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As I was driving down fraternity row in Ann Arbor this past Friday afternoon, I was contemplating how happy I was that I went to a college at a time when the Greek system didn't really exist there. As if on cue, a d-bag driving the Cadillac ATS his daddy must have bought him ran a stop sign, cut me off, and whipped his way into the driveway of one of these bastions of......whatever, jumped out wearing his pastel oxford, and ran wooooo-ing up to his brothers.
Go ahead and keep making vast generalizations there. I can assure you I dont even have a car let alone a Cadaillac. Nothing pisses me off more then generalizations. Youre no different then the kid from UWM who wrote that article about Marquette.
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Go ahead and keep making vast generalizations there. I can assure you I dont even have a car let alone a Cadaillac. Nothing pisses me off more then generalizations. Youre no different then the kid from UWM who wrote that article about Marquette.
If you could look up the definition of ironic in the dictionary it would be greatly appreciated.
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If you could look up the definition of ironic in the dictionary it would be greatly appreciated.
Please tell me how thats ironic. Really, I would actually like to know cause im not seeing it. I did not generalize in the slightest.
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Please tell me how thats ironic. Really, I would actually like to know cause im not seeing it. I did not generalize in the slightest.
You were decrying generalization while then generalizing Tower as the same as a UWM hate writer.
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This thread is turning into textbook WYC.
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Go ahead and keep making vast generalizations there. I can assure you I dont even have a car let alone a Cadaillac. Nothing pisses me off more then generalizations. Youre no different then the kid from UWM who wrote that article about Marquette.
It isn't a generalization. It is a real life experience. Pastel oxford, wayfarers, Cadillac ATS, Woooooo-ing up to his buddies playing beer pong on the front lawn. Yeah, its a cliché. But it is what happened. My wife and I, my daughter and her roommate, all had a good laugh at how this kid managed to live down to all of our expectations. In my book, you are far ahead of the game because you chose Marquette.
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Just gonna get this out there because I know a lot of you are all making assumptions. (Because thats what scoop is) Dont let a few bad eggs from these chapter dictate your view on Greek life as a whole. These are the people who would most likely be getting in trouble whether they were in a fraternity or not.
Typically, people wait until someone has offended their nature before they get so sensitive. Kudos to you for getting out ahead of the imaginary persecution.
Perhaps some game tape of 2013-14 Creighton Bluejays will help?
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WWDWD?
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1. Unfortunate.
2. Marquette has fraternities?
3. Somehow, Chicos is going to make this Buzz's fault.
Greek life is about 10-15% of MUs campus in the past decade. Slight expansion recently but has never been core to student life.
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I know that Greek life has risen at MU in the 5 years I've been here. I'm not a fan of them personally I've found that many believe they run the school and essentially are the center of all party life. Kind of annoying because if I were to list my top 50 parties each of my five years and five summers here none were frat affiliated. But to each their own.
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As a graduate of MU and a parent of a current MU student who belongs to a sorority, Greek life is growing at MU. Greek life provides social opportunities for the student population. Gone are the days of the underclassmen heading out to the bars, having wild floor parties, block parties, screw your roommates...the list could go on and on. My daughter went to MU from a suburb of Philly essentially not knowing anyone and her transition to MU was bumpy. She spent her first semester looking for something to do on the weekends and it consisted of sneaking drinks in McCormick or getting dressed to head out to a party only to get booted 15 minutes after arrival because DPS was on the way. Not the MU you I knew and loved!!! Honestly, getting involved in the sorority was the turning point for her. The sorority has provided social, volunteer, leadership and employment opportunities for her. When she failed to get elected to the Panhel board she was contacted by MU to run for a paid student government position and she was chosen for the position. She also got a paid internship through a sorority sister. No matter what group you belong to there are bad apples that do not represent what the overall group stands for. Greek life at MU is not just rich kids driving their dad's car with pastel oxfords, it is a growing vital part of the MU experience.
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As a graduate of MU and a parent of a current MU student who belongs to a sorority, Greek life is growing at MU. Greek life provides social opportunities for the student population. Gone are the days of the underclassmen heading out to the bars, having wild floor parties, block parties, screw your roommates...the list could go on and on. My daughter went to MU from a suburb of Philly essentially not knowing anyone and her transition to MU was bumpy. She spent her first semester looking for something to do on the weekends and it consisted of sneaking drinks in McCormick or getting dressed to head out to a party only to get booted 15 minutes after arrival because DPS was on the way. Not the MU you I knew and loved!!! Honestly, getting involved in the sorority was the turning point for her. The sorority has provided social, volunteer, leadership and employment opportunities for her. When she failed to get elected to the Panhel board she was contacted by MU to run for a paid student government position and she was chosen for the position. She also got a paid internship through a sorority sister. No matter what group you belong to there are bad apples that do not represent what the overall group stands for. Greek life at MU is not just rich kids driving their dad's car with pastel oxfords, it is a growing vital part of the MU experience.
A few things:
I spent the majority of my time at MU going to bars after parties got broken up. If your daughter wasn't going it's because she didn't have an ID or wasn't going to the right bars.
Next, I've been to and thrown quite a few block parties in my time here. I don't know if your daughter got the rough end of knowing upperclassmen before or what.
But thank you for playing directly into my point with your last statement because see even parents think it's necessary and that MU sucks if you aren't involved in Greek life. Yet I'd be happy to share my college photos which should prove quite to the contrary.
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Was Mark Chmura or Colin Kaepernick at any of these parties? I hope none of these parties had a Darren Sharper theme.
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I sincerely hope MU administration makes sure that Greek life NEVER becomes a vital part of the Marquette experience.
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I sincerely hope MU administration makes sure that Greek life NEVER becomes a vital part of the Marquette experience.
+10000000000
I'm sure it works for some people but if it became "vital" it'd be a travesty.
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I sincerely hope MU administration makes sure that Greek life NEVER becomes a vital part of the Marquette experience.
Agreed. There are so many ways to make friends and socialize at MU that don't require paying for friends.
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Greek was never a part of the MU community and I'm not sure why they need it. My only observation is that all-male societies often create, "there I was" moments for future lore which is a bit artificial.
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At least they nobody was lit on fire so that is a step in the right direction.
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Back in the day, frats were looked down on. They were kinda...odd. MU had a great social life. Grill concerts, block parties during our day. If you need a frat to make friends or have fun, you weren't very imaginative.
I drove by the Harp and Conways today. Memories.
Had to laugh this morning. I was having breakfast at the Broken Yolk, when a campus tour guide brought a visiting family in for part of the tour. Apparently, you can buy food there with your meal plan bucks.
Imagine if Real Chili and Lenny's took meal card bucks.
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A few things:
I spent the majority of my time at MU going to bars after parties got broken up. If your daughter wasn't going it's because she didn't have an ID or wasn't going to the right bars.
Next, I've been to and thrown quite a few block parties in my time here. I don't know if your daughter got the rough end of knowing upperclassmen before or what.
But thank you for playing directly into my point with your last statement because see even parents think it's necessary and that MU sucks if you aren't involved in Greek life. Yet I'd be happy to share my college photos which should prove quite to the contrary.
No offense, but your daughter sounds like a stiff, like all the sorority girls in my time.
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No offense, but your daughter sounds like a stiff, like all the sorority girls in my time.
I'm 23 no daughters at MU... Or anywhere. I think you mean the parent I was quoting.
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Agreed. There are so many ways to make friends and socialize at MU that don't require paying for friends.
Dont you fracking dare. This is an extremely sore subject for me. My entire first year at MU I did not have many friends because Im not a person to reach out. Had I not joined a fraternity I would be by myself on this campus 24/7. Its not paying for friends. Its so much more then that. Ignorance like this and a lack of understanding about how it is not easy for people to reach out to find friends really pisses me off.
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I'm 23 no daughters at MU... Or anywhere. I think you mean the parent I was quoting.
I can see the future.
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Dont you fracking dare. This is an extremely sore subject for me. My entire first year at MU I did not have many friends because Im not a person to reach out. Had I not joined a fraternity I would be by myself on this campus 24/7. Its not paying for friends. Its so much more then that. Ignorance like this and a lack of understanding about how it is not easy for people to reach out to find friends really pisses me off.
Esard, simmer down. Glad you are enjoying your friends. For many of us, it's was a head scratcher as to why there were frats on campus. MU didn't need them for the reasons mentioned before.
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This thread needs more Triangle house jokes.
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Dont you fracking dare. This is an extremely sore subject for me. My entire first year at MU I did not have many friends because Im not a person to reach out. Had I not joined a fraternity I would be by myself on this campus 24/7. Its not paying for friends. Its so much more then that. Ignorance like this and a lack of understanding about how it is not easy for people to reach out to find friends really pisses me off.
Sorry to piss you off so much. My comment was more to the effect that there are so many other "fraternities (it really just means brotherhood)" to join at MU that don't take your money to join. O staff, midnight run, intramural sports, HP have given me friends for life. In my experience at MU joining a frat required as much if not more effort in reaching out as these activities.
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I can see the future.
Could you tell me if her mom is hot then?
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My entire first year at MU I did not have many friends
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I sincerely hope MU administration makes sure that Greek life NEVER becomes a vital part of the Marquette experience.
+10000000000
I'm sure it works for some people but if it became "vital" it'd be a travesty.
I totally agree. Social life NOT dominated by the Greek system was a contributing factor to my choosing MU over other schools. I hope Marquette isn't trying to replicate the Greek society of a typical Big Ten school, which I purposely avoided. I had plenty of friends who attended large schools where the pressure to rush was immense, and ended up joining after swearing they wouldn't. Marquette provides such a unique, rich experience without that pressure. Like Piper said, it works for some, but it should never be the focal point of campus life.
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Could you tell me if her mom is hot then?
She's not. She also doesn't believe that boxing is a sport.
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Keefe wins the Internet on this day.
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police the "knuckleheads" and you wouldn't have the stigma that goes with the fraternity/sorority experience. unfortunately, much of the "brazen knucklehead" behavior seems to become part of the fraternity lore. in retrospect, it's frats will be frats and makes for good get together stories years after the fact. in the moment, the borderline criminal behavior goes unchecked for fears of being a "snitch"? or rabble rouser, party pooper, "live a little" loser, not with the program, un-fraternity-like....
i couldn't stand the constant disruptions and those who seemed to have the need to be more outlandish than the other, then the bullying that followed if you couldn't tolerate said behavior.
hey, i had more than my share of fun at mu, but even back then, the frats weren't much to look up to and had an air of "bad boy" living on the edge, behavior. oh yeah, and a place to make some your first contacts/ambassadors of the school? i took my chances and consorted with those i felt comfortable and safe with and i have many stories to tell without someone getting hurt. in other words, i chose to meet my own people and didn't need a frat or sorority to feel a need to be with the "in crowd". it probably saved my education and more. however, that all being said, frats/sororities are not for everyone, but they could clean themselves up by policing themselves a little better. stand up and call out the douche bags. certain conduct should be unacceptable-period. sometimes it takes a little more than the occasional fund raiser for the down and out or donation to some charity to show, see, we are all good people, then go back to the party till ya puke, then party some more...rock on
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Not to say the allegations are untrue, but MU has been chomping at the bit on fraternities for years. Note that the three fraternities listed are the only three with houses on campus. MU makes them jump thru hoops
http://www.marquette.edu/osd/greek/pdf/Risk_Management_Policy.pdf (http://www.marquette.edu/osd/greek/pdf/Risk_Management_Policy.pdf)
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Must be all those JUCOs in the frats
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Greek was never a part of the MU community and I'm not sure why they need it. My only observation is that all-male societies often create, "there I was" moments for future lore which is a bit artificial.
Like the military back in your day!?!
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Must be all those JUCOs in the frats
Good to see that MU's "higher standards" are producing such positive results.
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Could you tell me if her mom is hot then?
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#donedeal
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#donedeal
You found IWB's source!!!!!!!
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Posted this in another thread but thought it would be better here.
I am a Greek. I am a member of one of the fraternities that is not being investigated.
I went to events and parties hosted by all three of these fraternities (2007-2011). And I saw plenty to be ashamed of. I can think of three separate occasions where I had to step between a man and woman because the man had raised a hand to or was threatening a woman. I can think of another instance when one of my friends passed out and we took her to the hospital. It turned out she had been given a heavy dose of rohypnol. And finally another time when I walked into a bedroom and found a guy on top of an unconscious girl. I reported every one of those instances and only in the last one did the university do anything about it.
So when I heard about these accusations, all I could think was "It's about time."
As for the fact that the university going after all three at the same time being suspicious, think about what month it is. It is Greek Week. That week is always accompanied by the worst of this behavior. It wouldn't surprise me at all if all three did something during Greek Week to get themselves in trouble.
Believe it or not, the university does not make up things like this. Prosecuting fraternities is a huge embarrassment to the university. They only stand to lose money from this. Blaming the university is only deflecting the blame off the students who truly deserve it.
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Posted this in another thread but thought it would be better here.
I am a Greek.
So, you like the anal route, aina?
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So, you like the anal route, aina?
Watch out for the backdoor cut!!!
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nm not worth it.
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Posted this in another thread but thought it would be better here.
I am a Greek. I am a member of one of the fraternities that is not being investigated.
I went to events and parties hosted by all three of these fraternities (2007-2011). And I saw plenty to be ashamed of. I can think of three separate occasions where I had to step between a man and woman because the man had raised a hand to or was threatening a woman. I can think of another instance when one of my friends passed out and we took her to the hospital. It turned out she had been given a heavy dose of rohypnol. And finally another time when I walked into a bedroom and found a guy on top of an unconscious girl. I reported every one of those instances and only in the last one did the university do anything about it.
So when I heard about these accusations, all I could think was "It's about time."
I'll comment on this as a non-Greek, as well as someone who didn't attend Marquette for undergrad, but attended a school where at least 50% of the population was Greek. I went to plenty of frat parties, had very good friends across a variety of frats and heard plenty of stories. In my experience, fraternities are no better or worse than any segment of the student population, however, unlike a pack of guys from the same dorm or whatnot, they do have governing bodies and oversight which gives them accountability and forces them to answer for general douchey behavior. I always cringe when I see things being directly attributed to frats or frat culture. It always seems like strawman for certain people just being degenerates in general, and instead cheapens something that has alot of positive benefits.
I was in a business organization in college that was 120 members or so, functioned alot like a fraternity, and had 2-3 houses that were "pass downs". The main difference was that it was co-ed, however, outside of some of the more reprehensible stuff like roofies and sexual assault, I would see issues with stuff I saw fraternities getting in trouble for all the time. Again, not condoning the behavior in the least, but furthering my point that its symptimatic of groups of college students straying outside the guardrails more than the evils of Greek life.
To come full circle, I support Marquette taking action, cause oversight and accountability are absolutely necessary to weed this sort of stuff out, but inevitably, whenever this happens, it becomes open season on frats and cracks about buying your friends, and I just think its out of line.
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Keep in mind the recent news about SAE (the biggest fraternity in the country) and the severe problems they've been having. (Serious hazing, deaths, etc.)
If Lloyd's of London won't touch you, you have some serious problems.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2014/03/27/324547.htm (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2014/03/27/324547.htm)
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Keep in mind the recent news about SAE (the biggest fraternity in the country) and the severe problems they've been having. (Serious hazing, deaths, etc.)
If Lloyd's of London won't touch you, you have some serious problems.
http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2014/03/27/324547.htm (http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2014/03/27/324547.htm)
For those of you who didnt feel like reading the article. Ill summarize basically SAE is taking a SigEp like model and getting rid of the pledging process. So there are full members right away, not pledges.
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At the end of the day, Frats are fine. They just weren't needed or desired at MU for a long time.
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At the end of the day, Frats are fine. They just weren't needed or desired at MU for a long time.
They're still not needed, unless you can't make friends first semester.
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She's not. She also doesn't believe that boxing is a sport.
But that's on the questionaire I give to girls before considering them.
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The MU administration's blatant anti-Greek stance has been one of its few redeeming qualities.
Not to suggest these allegations aren't serious. I'm sure the university is extremely touchy about any "sexual misconduct" at this point.
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shoot! if it weren't for the sexual assaults and the roofie thingy, mother teresa would be greek :o
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The MU administration's blatant anti-Greek stance has been one of its few redeeming qualities.
Not to suggest these allegations aren't serious. I'm sure the university is extremely touchy about any "sexual misconduct" at this point.
Ok dude, your anti-Greek vendetta is getting a little out of hand. Others who have disagreed have at least brought perspective and explained but you on the other hand hate fraternities, well...because theyre fraternities.
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Couple of comments from an alumni (from back in the day when Greek was practically a four letter word on campus) and a parent (who has a Greek kid at MU and has personally witnessed the significant growth of that culture on campus).
1) The fraternities have been in trouble before. We've laughingly used the phrase 'double secret probation' but the reality is that over the last 3-4 years the administration has had to discipline them more then once. I know of specific instances, some of which are beyond the pale. I have great respect for the majority of the Greek students I have been introduced to but all must appreciate that they are now treading on very thin ice. I urge their membership to take the bull by the horns and clean things up.
2) The comments in this thread about 'buying friends' etc. couldn't be more misplaced regarding the Greek system on today's Marquette campus. It is very active and populated in many cases by Marquette's best and brightest. Unlike the 1980's when ASMU created an organized social life (thank you very much), a lot of it today involves the fraternity/sorority system. As an example, this past weekend my daughter's sorority sponsored Pass Xi Syrup, a pancake breakfast that annually raises thousands of dollars for Autism Awareness. It was packed. The sorority Air Band competition at the Varsity draws one of the biggest crowds of the year.
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As an example, this past weekend by daughter's sorority sponsored Pass Xi Syrup, a pancake breakfast that annually raises thousands of dollars for Autism Awareness. It was packed. The sorority Air Band competition at the Varsity draws one of the biggest crowds of the year.
You actually just mentioned my two favorite events of the year. Airband is always so much fun and there nothing quite like all you can eat pancakes the morning after a night out. But yea, they raised a ton of money along with other sororities and fraternities on campus.
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You actually just mentioned my two favorite events of the year. Airband is always so much fun and there nothing quite like all you can eat pancakes the morning after a night out. But yea, they raised a ton of money along with other sororities and fraternities on campus.
What's not to like when a pretty girl smiles at you and passes over a plate of tasty pancakes; all for $5?
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Couple of comments from an alumni (from back in the day when Greek was practically a four letter word on campus) and a parent (who has a Greek kid at MU and has personally witnessed the significant growth of that culture on campus).
1) The fraternities have been in trouble before. We've laughingly used the phrase 'double secret probation' but the reality is that over the last 3-4 years the administration has had to discipline them more then once. I know of specific instances, some of which are beyond the pale. I have great respect for the majority of the Greek students I have been introduced to but all must appreciate that they are now treading on very thin ice. I urge their membership to take the bull by the horns and clean things up.
2) The comments in this thread about 'buying friends' etc. couldn't be more misplaced regarding the Greek system on today's Marquette campus. It is very active and populated in many cases by Marquette's best and brightest. Unlike the 1980's when ASMU created an organized social life (thank you very much), a lot of it today involves the fraternity/sorority system. As an example, this past weekend my daughter's sorority sponsored Pass Xi Syrup, a pancake breakfast that annually raises thousands of dollars for Autism Awareness. It was packed. The sorority Air Band competition at the Varsity draws one of the biggest crowds of the year.
Thought you were talking sizzurp. Now that would be something cool to sponsor.
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I can safely say that no TKE fraternity member was involved... not because we can't get the ladies but it's now been a couple decades since we were kicked out and disbanded...
The greek olympics were a fun time though.
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I can safely say that no TKE fraternity member was involved... not because we can't get the ladies but it's now been a couple decades since we were kicked out and disbanded...
The greek olympics were a fun time though.
Not only was TKE kicked off of campus but I found out recently that they are actually banned from ever coming back. What the hell did you guys do?
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What's not to like when a pretty girl smiles at you and passes over a plate of tasty pancakes; all for $5?
So many jokes I will refrain from making.
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Thought you were talking sizzurp. Now that would be something cool to sponsor.
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now that was lol fricken funny!! hit up justine beeber for some donations
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Ok dude, your anti-Greek vendetta is getting a little out of hand. Others who have disagreed have at least brought perspective and explained but you on the other hand hate fraternities, well...because theyre fraternities.
Haha. For reference, I have friends who were in frats. I do not care about the state or future of Greek life at Marquette. If it became the epicenter of social life or was responsible for more violence/sexual "misconduct"/hazing, I would care. Right now they seem fairly innocuous.
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I am a Greek.
Which one?
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To come full circle, I support Marquette taking action, cause oversight and accountability are absolutely necessary to weed this sort of stuff out, but inevitably, whenever this happens, it becomes open season on frats and cracks about buying your friends, and I just think its out of line.
It's not out of line. Is making fun of Country Club culture out of line? WASPish behavior? Preppies? If you hold yourself out as being elite and exclusive in some way, you open yourself and your group to criticism.
A lot of people don't like fraternities because, well, they're fraternities and many fraternities are full of frat boys. A lot of people don't like frat boys including me.
I can assure you that if the fraternities at Marquette (or anywhere) behaved like the Jesuit Volunteer Corp on a larger scale, no one would have an issue with fraternities.
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Not only was TKE kicked off of campus but I found out recently that they are actually banned from ever coming back. What the hell did you guys do?
yeah, about that: I found this from an old article of the MU Tribune that pretty much sums it up... and just to be clear I had already graduated and played no part in this sad event.
Alcohol, not hazing, an issue at Marquette
By Phil Caruso
Tribune Staff
Despite the men's lacrosse club team's recent hazing-induced suspension, hazing does not appear to be a reccuring problem at Marquette.
Before the lacrosse team was suspended last month, the last act defined as hazing at Marquette occurred in December 1992 when the Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity's charter was revoked as a result of hazing.
The fraternity set an intoxicated member on fire, causing second degree burns to 22 percent of his body, at its home which was located at 1922 W. Kilbourn Ave., according to back issues of The Marquette Tribune. In January of 1993 the university revoked the fraternity's charter.
According to Stephanie Quade, associate dean in the office of student development, Marquette does not have a real problem with hazing so much as it does have a problem with alcohol.
All hazing incidents in the past twenty years at Marquette have been alcohol related. Before the fraternity was charged with hazing in the early '90s, the men's rugby club team was charged with hazing in 1989. The team elected a "Rugby Queen" and sang her 'anthem' which depicted female anatomy, according to Tribune back issues.
"Almost every incident involving vandalism, harassment and hazing has been alcohol-related," Quade said.
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1922 W Kilnourn used to be a dirt parking lot when I lived the The Swamp next door.
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Regardless of your opinion of frats vs bros vs etc...I'm not going there in this post.
From what I understand, aren't the houses of the three fraternities in questioned, owned by Marquette? With annual leases guaranteed to the members at a flat fee?
Is that the bigger issue and why it's making waves in the media? A sexual assault in an university owned building? I'd be curious to see all the numbers of assaults reported in university owned housing versus surrounding neighborhood?
I know many of you may have an issue with this statement...when 2040 lofts opened, it was the rich of the rich kids living there who had a privileged background. If an assault happens there, how are they reported? Does Marquette get notified?
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I know many of you may have an issue with this statement...when 2040 lofts opened, it was the rich of the rich kids living there who had a privileged background. If an assault happens there, how are they reported? Does Marquette get notified?
Probably worth a thread on its own. It seems like campus area housing is either obscenely expensive or very run down.
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The frats at Marquette are a joke. I've yet to hear of one instance of someone butt chugging a box of Franzia. Step yo game up MU frats.
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Regardless of your opinion of frats vs bros vs etc...I'm not going there in this post.
From what I understand, aren't the houses of the three fraternities in questioned, owned by Marquette? With annual leases guaranteed to the members at a flat fee?
Is that the bigger issue and why it's making waves in the media? A sexual assault in an university owned building? I'd be curious to see all the numbers of assaults reported in university owned housing versus surrounding neighborhood?
I know many of you may have an issue with this statement...when 2040 lofts opened, it was the rich of the rich kids living there who had a privileged background. If an assault happens there, how are they reported? Does Marquette get notified?
SPD and Triangle are owned by MU.
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I know many of you may have an issue with this statement...when 2040 lofts opened, it was the rich of the rich kids living there who had a privileged background. If an assault happens there, how are they reported? Does Marquette get notified?
It was? I lived there though...and there were plenty of non-students living there as well. Entire families actually. Also, Marcus Landry and Efueko Osagie lived there with their child.
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It was? I lived there though...and there were plenty of non-students living there as well. Entire families actually. Also, Marcus Landry and Efueko Osagie lived there with their child.
Well the dollar figure for rent plus the individuals living there led to the perception. Not trying to try classify you or anyone else. Just a blanket statement of some opinions.
But the key part of that statement was, if an assault happens on a non-university owned piece or property, how is that handled/reported? Obviously MPD has a stake, but is there follow up to Marquette?
Ziggy shared that piece about SPD and Triangle being university owned. Just curious how that whole process work in regards to university owned vs non-owned and reporting.
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Worth the read: http://www.marquette.edu/osd/policies/sexual_misconduct_policy.shtml (http://www.marquette.edu/osd/policies/sexual_misconduct_policy.shtml)
Interesting point is that all students, employees and faculty are encouraged to report incidents of sexual misconduct to the university. However they can opt for a direct report to MPD or contact the Aurora Sinai Medical Center’s Sexual Assault Treatment Center. Maybe I glanced over it, but I didn't see anything about direct reports being communicated back to the university.
Still a gray area IMO. My assumption is this is the flow of events:
- On Campus Assault -> Reported to Marquette -> Report Communicated to MPD
- Off Campus Assault -> Reported to Marquette -> Reported to MPD
- On Campus Assault -> Reported to MPD-> Report Communicated to Marquette
- Off Campus Assault -> Reported to MPD-> Not communicated to Marquette
At the end of the post I'm saying two things...
1. The fact that assault occurred on campus in university owned buildings (2 of 3 - SPD and TRI) brings this to the media's attention and makes the university and fraternities look bad. Headline "Assault on Marquette's Campus"
2. Unless the 4th flow mentioned above is incorrect, is there a possibility of a greater problem and Marquette doesn't know about?
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I have no knowledge of any of these allegations. I'm not going to touch the hazing, as could be even more broad than the sexual misconduct.
That said, sexual misconduction could range from a rape/sexual assault, to some dude copping a feel on the dance floor, to a verbal comment made to or in the direction of a female student.
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#1 There is nothing inherently wrong with Frats. They serve their purpose for those who chose to join.
#2 Greek life is not, and should not be a vital part of the MU experience. It should be treated like most other organizations and clubs, including club sports, student gov, volunteer groups, etc. It's an option for people. It's not vital to a student's overall experience.
#3 MU isn't big enough to really require a large Greek presence. There are already a lot of clubs and organizations to join (including Greek ones). MU doesn't need thousands of Greek members, and creating a possible divide in the student culture. That would be a mistake in my opinion.
#4 (this is an important one) MU requires most/all students live in the dorms for 2 years. The vast majority of students make plenty of friends and acquaintances in those 2 years to easily make the transition to living outside of the dorms (either off campus, or in campus town). This isn't applicable for EVERY student, but is pretty accurate for the majority of students.
#5 Frats have their place, even at MU. However, a couple people in this thread seem to be pushing their merits pretty hard, and I think they are missing the bigger picture. There are a lot of schools around the country that have a large Greek presence. MU isn't one of them, and realistically, it should remain that way.
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I know many of you may have an issue with this statement...when 2040 lofts opened, it was the rich of the rich kids living there who had a privileged background. If an assault happens there, how are they reported? Does Marquette get notified?
Its a side bar but...
But the funny thing is that while it may have been rich kids living there, the apartments were still of crapty quality with paper-thin walls and IKEA furniture
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yeah, about that: I found this from an old article of the MU Tribune that pretty much sums it up... and just to be clear I had already graduated and played no part in this sad event.
Alcohol, not hazing, an issue at Marquette
By Phil Caruso
Tribune Staff
Despite the men's lacrosse club team's recent hazing-induced suspension, hazing does not appear to be a reccuring problem at Marquette.
Before the lacrosse team was suspended last month, the last act defined as hazing at Marquette occurred in December 1992 when the Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity's charter was revoked as a result of hazing.
The fraternity set an intoxicated member on fire, causing second degree burns to 22 percent of his body, at its home which was located at 1922 W. Kilbourn Ave., according to back issues of The Marquette Tribune. In January of 1993 the university revoked the fraternity's charter.
According to Stephanie Quade, associate dean in the office of student development, Marquette does not have a real problem with hazing so much as it does have a problem with alcohol.
All hazing incidents in the past twenty years at Marquette have been alcohol related. Before the fraternity was charged with hazing in the early '90s, the men's rugby club team was charged with hazing in 1989. The team elected a "Rugby Queen" and sang her 'anthem' which depicted female anatomy, according to Tribune back issues.
"Almost every incident involving vandalism, harassment and hazing has been alcohol-related," Quade said.
Does VT have a TKE chapter for Malek Harris to join once he gets to college?
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Maybe that kid from UWM is right. Maybe we are all rapey bros in tank tops.
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Not to call out some of the parents on here but it seems to be the parents of current Greek students who are proclaiming that Greek is necessary now days. If you aren't here and your student is in Greek you at getting a every narrow perspective. Not trying to call your student anti social or anything but your perspective is coming from the complaining of a new college student then the happiness once they joined Greek life. Could it be that it was a tad of culture shock turned into acceptance?
Also I know that Phonathon, the brew, the annex etc all have work parties. I know at least club soccer, rugby and lacrosse all have parties. As does college dems (a bit less crazy than the other ones but still) consequently it's not necessary it's just something that certain people who don't work, aren't athletic or may need an extra boost to become social night benefit from.
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Greek is necessary now days
Things have changed then. Back in our day this was much less accepted. Most women, in fact, found it rather distasteful.
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Things have changed then. Back in our day this was much less accepted. Most women, in fact, found it rather distasteful.
That's not what he was saying
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Marquette had quasi frats back in the day. Are the Rabbits, Club Rugby, and Evans Scholars still around? All three were well represented deep into the night at Lenny's.
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I think I heard all male frats have a hazing ritual of g** sex.
Might be confusing that with ZFB telling me about the club he and his buddy have.
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Marquette had quasi frats back in the day. Are the Rabbits, Club Rugby, and Evans Scholars still around? All three were well represented deep into the night at Lenny's.
Evans scholars is still around. They have a huge house on Wells.
My impression is that they are now pretty tame folks. They had a massive party back in '03, things got out of hand, and the university slapped them pretty hard. Lots of kids lost their scholarships. It is my understanding that if you get caught once with alcohol in the house, even if you are of age, you can lose your scholarship.
Had some friends in the Evans house. Nice people, but not the ones you see late at night at the bar.
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Evans scholars is still around. They have a huge house on Wells.
My impression is that they are now pretty tame folks. They had a massive party back in '03, things got out of hand, and the university slapped them pretty hard. Lots of kids lost their scholarships. It is my understanding that if you get caught once with alcohol in the house, even if you are of age, you can lose your scholarship.
Had some friends in the Evans house. Nice people, but not the ones you see late at night at the bar.
Bahahaha I was at that party!
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Evans scholars is still around. They have a huge house on Wells.
My impression is that they are now pretty tame folks. They had a massive party back in '03, things got out of hand, and the university slapped them pretty hard. Lots of kids lost their scholarships. It is my understanding that if you get caught once with alcohol in the house, even if you are of age, you can lose your scholarship.
Had some friends in the Evans house. Nice people, but not the ones you see late at night at the bar.
I remember going to parties at the Evan's Scholar's house back in the late 80s.
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Nice people, but not the ones you see late at night at the bar.
The merge of late nights and bars has been the cauldron that has given us victory in warfare, scientific innovation, literary eloquence, and medical genius. Great schemes of commerce, the deconstruction of athletic endeavor, and the deflowerment of countless virgins have all been hand forged on the crucible of drink, sleeplessness, and abandonment of ethical shackles.
You make it seem as if there is something tawdry in this? Explain yourself!
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The merge of late nights and bars has been the cauldron that has given us victory in warfare, scientific innovation, literary eloquence, and medical genius. Great schemes of commerce, the deconstruction of athletic endeavor, and the deflowerment of countless virgins have all been hand forged on the crucible of drink, sleeplessness, and abandonment of ethical shackles.
You make it seem as if there is something tawdry in this? Explain yourself!
I think he's making a commentary on a lack of party aptitude and spirit within the Evans Scholars and less on the merits of late night bar patronage.
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I think he's making a commentary on a lack of party aptitude and spirit within the Evans Scholars and less on the merits of late night bar patronage.
This. I was at Hegarty's all the time. I thought you knew me Keefe
And you don't need to tell me all the geniuses who have been inspired by the nectar of the gods
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I think he's making a commentary on a lack of party aptitude and spirit within the Evans Scholars and less on the merits of late night bar patronage.
So you're telling me that the fine people who live in the Evans house, even given the chance to devote themselves fully to the study of the debauched arts, would still lack the ability to party?
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the study of the debauched arts
How about the study of the debauched engineered arts? There is a bit more rigor and discipline in approaching both fornication and intoxication.
Reminds me of all the time I spent in the bush over the years. And while I knew that service requires sacrifice the sting of loneliness was cut by my fortunate relationship with three sisters. The Rhea girls were beguiling vixens who accompanied me during my time in the third world, offering constant, dependable companionship which was delivered in smoldering packages of earthy sensuality.
Ever attentive, they accompanied me in my adventures and travels and were certain to share my bed and make my senses come alive. The Rhea girls each knew how to take care of a man's most base urges. Pyor specialized in the oral arts while Diar knew that the way to a man's heart was through his stomach. And Gonor, sweet, precious lass, made herself known in ways that modesty demands I omit the details.
The Rhea sisters. Sweet Sirens of Sensuality.
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2. Marquette has fraternities?
I thought it was singular "a fraternity", as well.
I spent the majority of my time at MU going to bars after parties got broken up. If your daughter wasn't going it's because she didn't have an ID or wasn't going to the right bars.
It's definitely different if there isn't a line of cabs outside McCormick on the weekends to take freshmen to the bars.
Agreed. There are so many ways to make friends and socialize at MU that don't require paying for friends.
Yep...state schools in college towns, makes sense. Campus right in the middle of the city, not so much.
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It's definitely different if there isn't a line of cabs outside McCormick on the weekends to take freshmen to the bars.
There certainly is outside schroeder. Not a huge one outside McCormick but still there.
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I thought it was singular "a fraternity", as well.
It's definitely different if there isn't a line of cabs outside McCormick on the weekends to take freshmen to the bars.
Yep...state schools in college towns, makes sense. Campus right in the middle of the city, not so much.
1. Stop with this crap
2. In my 3 years at MU I have never seen more then one cab at a time outside of McCormick
3. Maybe 5% of the student population goes downtown any given weekend. If that.
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1. Stop with this crap
2. In my 3 years at MU I have never seen more then one cab at a time outside of McCormick
3. Maybe 5% of the student population goes downtown any given weekend. If that.
That's a logical fallacy based on your personal college greek experience. It'd be like me saying that the only parties on campus happen at the two houses on the north side corner of 18th and Kil. I will say though that if you were to actually do some stats, not even official but based off the rough percent of campus that's 21+ or has a fake ID vs the capacity at Murphy's and Caff's, it'd be a tremendously larger population than you think that go off campus.
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That's a logical fallacy based on your personal college greek experience. It'd be like me saying that the only parties on campus happen at the two houses on the north side corner of 18th and Kil. I will say though that if you were to actually do some stats, not even official but based off the rough percent of campus that's 21+ or has a fake ID vs the capacity at Murphy's and Caff's, it'd be a tremendously larger population than you think that go off campus.
I base that number off of what I see driving LIMOs. Dont see a ton of Taxis coming back from there and we dont get a ton of people going to 7th and wells.
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I base that number off of what I see driving LIMOs. Dont see a ton of Taxis coming back from there and we dont get a ton of people going to 7th and wells.
Only gonna take a limo to go to Ms Katie's or Harp and Sham or to that new one on 7th and wells. Loads of people take the bus. I don't know what you call a lot of cabs... are you expecting it to look like Time square? Cabs come, pick a group up, and leave. They aren't sticking around so that limo drivers can feel like the greek system owns the social scene.
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Marquette had quasi frats back in the day. Are the Rabbits, Club Rugby, and Evans Scholars still around? All three were well represented deep into the night at Lenny's.
Funny that you call the Rabbits a quasi frat. They portrayed themselves as the anti-frat. They were a frat without a greek name.
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I base that number off of what I see driving LIMOs. Dont see a ton of Taxis coming back from there and we dont get a ton of people going to 7th and wells.
It's Milwaukee. There aren't a ton of taxis in the city, period.
Your point of persecution remains though even in light of a terrible hiding you're taking for being in the good graces of a fraternity.
Creighton game tape as a pick-me-up?
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It's Milwaukee. There aren't a ton of taxis in the city, period.
Your point of persecution remains though even in light of a terrible hiding you're taking for being in the good graces of a fraternity.
Creighton game tape as a pick-me-up?
Nice of you to bring up things I was talking about 2 months ago. Good to know you care that much about me to look through my post history. Nice to know youre that type of person who likes to just rip on college kids.
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Nice of you to bring up things I was talking about 2 months ago. Good to know you care that much about me to look through my post history. Nice to know youre that type of person who likes to just rip on college kids.
You're upset with me for paying attention to what you write in this forum? That seems odd.
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It's Milwaukee. There aren't a ton of taxis in the city, period.
Your point of persecution remains though even in light of a terrible hiding you're taking for being in the good graces of a fraternity.
Creighton game tape as a pick-me-up?
Surprised, with the lack of taxis, plus the multiple college campuses in the area, that Lyft/Uber/etc haven't made a move into Milwaukee.
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Surprised, with the lack of taxis, plus the multiple college campuses in the area, that Lyft/Uber/etc haven't made a move into Milwaukee.
They have just recently, despite the best efforts of the city.
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They have just recently, despite the best efforts of the city.
Yep. I saw a stack of Uber coupons at Great Lakes Distillery recently.
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My children use UBER every weekend in San Diego and LA. It has become a phenomenon as everyone is wary of drinking and driving. Seems that the only ones drinking and driving are the ones with multiple offenses for DWI.
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My children use UBER every weekend in San Diego and LA. It has become a phenomenon as everyone is wary of drinking and driving. Seems that the only ones drinking and driving are the ones with multiple offenses for DWI.
I do think you will see the number of DUIs going down as things like Uber become more commonplace and easier to use.
In Chicago, cabs have always been hard to get on a weekend night, unless you are downtown or in one of 3 or 4 very popular busy areas. Uber has changed everything. There's absolutely no reason to drive anywhere in the city anymore. I use my car to get to work in the suburbs and trips to the grocery store, but that's about it.
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Yep. I saw a stack of Uber coupons at Great Lakes Distillery recently.
The Iron Horse was offering a deal for first-time Uber users in their room key packets this weekend as well...
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After decades of crapty drivers/conditions, it's amazing that taxis are confounded about how their business is being overtaken.