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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: WadeATKBurton on April 07, 2014, 10:23:46 PM
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Thats what two great STARTING guards gets you! A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Congrats UCONN.
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Plus, it's not the power 5 league.
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Willie wants some bigs.
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Guards make all of the difference. You can have the best two big men in the history of college basketball and if they had average guards no national championship.
UConn on the other hand.... great guards, good wings, and average big men and yet they still win a national championship.
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I hope we never hear the word "switchable" pass through Wojo's lips.
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Napier and Boatright are studs...both play so low to the ground, can get a step on anyone..both shoot it so well, and handle it so well.
Contrast them with what our starting backcourt was last season...WOW...just wow! Looking forward to seeing what Duane and Dawson can do next year getting major minutes. Throw them to the fire from Day 1 next year...they are the future...let them get all that experience next year...could bode really well for the 2015-2016 season...paired with Burton, Fischer and JJJ...
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Guards make all of the difference. You can have the best two big men in the history of college basketball and if they had average guards no national championship.
UConn on the other hand.... great guards, good wings, and average big men and yet they still win a national championship.
Going to go ahead and disagree with you there.
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Napier and Boatright are studs...both play so low to the ground, can get a step on anyone..both shoot it so well, and handle it so well.
Contrast them with what our starting backcourt was last season...WOW...just wow! Looking forward to seeing what Duane and Dawson can do next year getting major minutes. Throw them to the fire from Day 1 next year...they are the future...let them get all that experience next year...could bode really well for the 2015-2016 season...paired with Burton, Fischer and JJJ...
Napier and Boatright make Derrick and Jake look like NAIA players. No Joke.
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Napier and Boatright make Derrick and Jake look like NAIA players. No Joke.
We played UCONN this year? I missed it. Guessing we lost.
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We played UCONN this year? I missed it. Guessing we lost.
Brent slurping still I see
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Brent slurping still I see
Not one bit. I just never saw Boatright and Napier play against Derrick and Jake. Must've missed it.
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Not one bit. I just never saw Boatright and Napier play against Derrick and Jake. Must've missed it.
Lol
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Not one bit. I just never saw Boatright and Napier play against Derrick and Jake. Must've missed it.
Only YOU would like to see that matchup and still would think we'd have a chance. .typical Brent slurper
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Only YOU would like to see that matchup and still would think we'd have a chance. .typical Brent slurper
Where did I say I'd like to see the matchup or that we'd have a chance? Must've missed that, too.
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Where did I say I'd like to see the matchup or that we'd have a chance? Must've missed that, too.
Where did u see we PLAYED UCONN this year? Sir, cut it out
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Also just heard Ollie say, "We practice them tirelessly. We get very competitive. It helps in the clutch situations." Was talking about free throws. It's a shame Brent prohibited free throw shooting in practice. Although, MU usually has a good ft shooting team.
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Also just heard Ollie say, "We practice them tirelessly. We get very competitive. It helps in the clutch situations." Was talking about free throws. It's a shame Brent prohibited free throw shooting in practice. Although, MU usually has a good ft shooting team.
The Brent slurpers are gonna attack you for saying that lol
Seriously, Brent's way of coaching is/was baffling. I NEVER liked that guy
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Thats what two great STARTING guards gets you! A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Congrats UCONN.
so you mean our All American Game Changer Point Guard who played 35MPG wasn't Good Enough for us to win it all......
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so you mean our All American Game Changer Point Guard who played 35MPG wasn't Good Enough......
Dont you mean Rec League All American? Hehehe
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Good thing we have a thread addressed to our former coach about something he no longer has any control over. Brilliant!
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Dont you mean Rec League All American? Hehehe
His game is a joke. I saw him play 47 Minutes against St Johns and score 2 points...
Hope Wojo doesn't play him more than 10-15 Mpg next year and thats a stretch.
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His game is a joke. I saw him play 47 Minutes against St Johns and score 2 points...
Hope Wojo doesn't play him more than 10-15 Mpg next year and thats a stretch.
10-15 seconds would be more like it. 3rd string PG behind Duane and Dawson.
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10-15 seconds would be more like it. 3rd string PG behind Duane and Dawson.
That would be my dream scenario. Make it come true COACH Wojo!
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His game is a joke. I saw him play 47 Minutes against St Johns and score 2 points...
Hope Wojo doesn't play him more than 10-15 Mpg next year and thats a stretch.
Wojo averaged what ....5 or 6 pts a game? Perhaps he can work with D.Wilson. Wilson doesn't need to average high numbers to be successful. He just needs to disrupt the flow of the game with his defense and distribute the ball well. If he can those two things well next year, he'll be much improved. Let's get some support for him, rather than use him as a scapegoat.
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Wojo averaged what ....5 or 6 pts a game? Perhaps he can work with D.Wilson. Wilson doesn't need to average high numbers to be successful. He just needs to disrupt the flow of the game with his defense and distribute the ball well. If he can those two things well next year, he'll be much improved. Let's get some support for him, rather than use him as a scapegoat.
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That would be my dream scenario. Make it come true COACH Wojo!
Im with it.
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Wojo averaged what ....5 or 6 pts a game? Perhaps he can work with D.Wilson. Wilson doesn't need to average high numbers to be successful. He just needs to disrupt the flow of the game with his defense and distribute the ball well. If he can those two things well next year, he'll be much improved. Let's get some support for him, rather than use him as a scapegoat.
Do you think D.Wilson can get us to a Final Four?
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Do you think D.Wilson can get us to a Final Four?
In the Old Spice Classic - yes.
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We had a future NBA traditional point guard (and an NBA sharpshooting traditional wing) in 2004 and 2005 and ended up 15-17 in CUSA with two less than impressive NIT appearances.
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We had a future NBA traditional point guard (and an NBA sharpshooting traditional wing) in 2004 and 2005 and ended up 15-17 in CUSA with two less than impressive NIT appearances.
I would go traditional coach as well. Crean is a terrible coach. We should have never had lost to Kansas that badly in the final four. Other than that, defeat .....we had a difficult time advancing in the NCAA's under Crean.
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We had a future NBA traditional point guard (and an NBA sharpshooting traditional wing) in 2004 and 2005 and ended up 15-17 in CUSA with two less than impressive NIT appearances.
We spent a large portion of 2005 without that point guard and no backup to speak of. Players get hurt, such is life, but you can't say we missed the tourney in 2005 because of the traditional point guard.
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We had a future NBA traditional point guard (and an NBA sharpshooting traditional wing) in 2004 and 2005 and ended up 15-17 in CUSA with two less than impressive NIT appearances.
Interesting, you got wood yesterday saying I PURPOSELY LEFT OUT stuff or things were "TECHNICALLY TRUE", but only there to mislead.
So, let's play your game.
A CUSA that sent more teams to the NCAA tournament then the BIG Ten did....that was an excellent CUSA. You left that out....probably on purpose cuz cuz well cuz.
Diener was hurt in both of those years...you left that out on purpose, clearly even if it is technically true that he played for both teams. Clearly you were trying to mislead.
Isn't this fun?
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I would go traditional coach as well. Crean is a terrible coach. We should have never had lost to Kansas that badly in the final four. Other than that, defeat .....we had a difficult time advancing in the NCAA's under Crean.
Oh stop...the team shot 29%, it is what it is. A week earlier we never should have beaten the number one team in the country....was that due to a terrible coach?
If you want to play that game, we never should have lost to Washington, or got blown out by Syracuse and not even scored 40 points...a team we played twice a year and knew inside and out. So on and so forth. It's the NCAA tournament, stuff happens...great wins, bad losses, everything in between.
I'm still waiting for all those Final Fours at MU not from a guy named McGuire or Crean.
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This thread is a joke.
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We should have never had lost to Kansas that badly in the final four.
One of the darkest days in Marquette history. To be humiliated before an entire nation? I have no more tears to give.
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Brent slurping still I see
Willie and Ners! I didn't know you guys were expecting a little MUScoop baby boy. That is soooo adorable, takes after his dads for sure!
(http://scouteradam.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/intro-lyrics-my-two-dads-21437722.jpg)
So looking forward to the adventures you three will have berating Derrick Wilson and saying I told you so about Buzz.
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Napier and Boatright are studs...both play so low to the ground, can get a step on anyone..both shoot it so well, and handle it so well.
Contrast them with what our starting backcourt was last season...WOW...just wow! Looking forward to seeing what Duane and Dawson can do next year getting major minutes. Throw them to the fire from Day 1 next year...they are the future...let them get all that experience next year...could bode really well for the 2015-2016 season...paired with Burton, Fischer and JJJ...
Isn't that horse dead yet?
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Thats what two great STARTING guards gets you! A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!
Congrats UCONN.
Wait... we had Jake and Derrick...so we had great starting guards also..including an elite defending gamechanger. Ask Buzz.
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Not one bit. I just never saw Boatright and Napier play against Derrick and Jake. Must've missed it.
They did...last year. Combined for 1 point, 1 assist, 2 rebounds, 2 turnovers, but only played 16 minutes because the coach still had some grasp of reality.
http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=330010269
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Man... I would have thought the good vibes from the wojo hire would have kept entire threads dedicated to trashing our own players off of this site for at least a week... Didn't quite make it.
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One of the darkest days in Marquette history. To be humiliated before an entire nation? I have no more tears to give.
This thread will forever be a black mark in Marquette history.
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Jerel, Wes, DJames, Mo, Cubi, Buycks, DJO, Junior, and Vander all agree.
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One other thing---UConn played BASKETBALL, Kentucky tried to look "Cool" on every shot. Johnson their
Center tried to do an underhand scoop layup. Didn't work. KU played "PUNK" Ball. Play the game way it
should be played. Experience won. One and doners-Bah"
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Jerel, Wes, DJames, Mo, Cubi, Buycks, DJO, Junior, and Vander all agree.
Man, I hate to say but those MARQUETTE players never had the killer instict that Shabazz and Boatright has.
I get your point tho.
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One other thing---UConn played BASKETBALL, Kentucky tried to look "Cool" on every shot. Johnson their
Center tried to do an underhand scoop layup. Didn't work. KU played "PUNK" Ball. Play the game way it
should be played. Experience won. One and doners-Bah"
+5 for the "traditionalists"
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Interesting, you got wood yesterday saying I PURPOSELY LEFT OUT stuff or things were "TECHNICALLY TRUE", but only there to mislead.
So, let's play your game.
A CUSA that sent more teams to the NCAA tournament then the BIG Ten did....that was an excellent CUSA. You left that out....probably on purpose cuz cuz well cuz.
Diener was hurt in both of those years...you left that out on purpose, clearly even if it is technically true that he played for both teams. Clearly you were trying to mislead.
Isn't this fun?
What was our record in mighty CUSA in 2004 and 2005 in games our traditional NBA point guard and our traditional NBA deadeye shooting power forward played? Hint: not good. See how much fun this is?
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Isn't that horse dead yet?
Being excited over next year's potential guard play?? Don't think that horse is dead yet. And as for the contrast between UCONN's guards and ours this past season...it's a comparison worth noting.....that's what it takes to win championships or at a high level....and the disparity between guards like the Harrison twins and Napier/Boatright compared with our backcourt last season....it actually probably was a miracle the team did go 17-15.
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This thread is a joke.
Yep.
But to clarify a point Wades was getting blasted for trying to make.
A. We did not play UCONN this season.
B. We played them last season, Jake and DW played 16 minutes(off the bench) Bazz and Boatright combined for 45. Oh, and we won 82-76.
I believe that was the game that Karl Hess made famous for starting UCONN out towards the wrong basket in OT.
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Is that better?
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Yep.
But to clarify a point Wades was getting blasted for trying to make.
A. We did not play UCONN this season.
B. We played them last season, Jake and DW played 16 out of the 45 minutes(off the bench) Bazz and Boatright combined for 45. Oh, and we won 82-76.
I believe that was the game that Karl Hess made famous for starting UCONN out towards the wrong basket in OT.
I think you mean 16 minutes total out of the 90 available at the guard position that game, not 16 out of 45. But you are correct in spirit.
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Cause you know Buzz never did anything while he was at Marquette ::)
Guy had a great guard who decided to leave!!
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I hope that Duane is as good as advertised and supplants Derrick as the starter.
But if Wojo starts Derrick, I'm going to enjoy all the reactions on this board.
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I hope that Duane is as good as advertised and supplants Derrick as the starter.
But if Wojo starts Derrick, I'm going to enjoy all the reactions on this board.
He won't start him...I'm sure he would like to make the tourney his first year here. I believe Derrick is a high quality guy. He seems like the type of guy who would tell the coach not to start him just because he is a senior and would be fine coming off the bench. It's the role he is meant to play...no more than 10 minutes a game!
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He won't start him...I'm sure he would like to make the tourney his first year here. I believe Derrick is a high quality guy. He seems like the type of guy who would tell the coach not to start him just because he is a senior and would be fine coming off the bench. It's the role he is meant to play...no more than 10 minutes a game!
IM 1000000% sure he WONT start Derrick Wilson.
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Cause you know Buzz never did anything while he was at Marquette ::)
Guy had a great guard who decided to leave!!
Posted like a true Buzz apologist.
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One other thing---UConn played BASKETBALL, Kentucky tried to look "Cool" on every shot. Johnson their
Center tried to do an underhand scoop layup. Didn't work. KU played "PUNK" Ball. Play the game way it
should be played. Experience won. One and doners-Bah"
So, Kentucky basketball is punk basketball. Maybe Wojo can get our guys to play punk ball in his first year. Losing by only six points in the National Championship game would be nice.
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One other thing---UConn played BASKETBALL, Kentucky tried to look "Cool" on every shot. Johnson their
Center tried to do an underhand scoop layup. Didn't work. KU played "PUNK" Ball. Play the game way it
should be played. Experience won. One and doners-Bah"
Lol are u serious or joking?
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I hope that Duane is as good as advertised and supplants Derrick as the starter.
But if Wojo starts Derrick, I'm going to enjoy all the reactions on this board.
Outside chance he still starts, but his days of getting 38 minutes a game are over.
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Lol are u serious or joking?
Just like you, he's being serious.
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Outside chance he still starts, but his days of getting 38 minutes a game are over.
Personally, I think he will start at the beginning of the season. Buzz isn't the only coach who values experience at the PG position. But I do think Duane will surpass him by conference play.
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Hey, that is exactly what I thought would happen LAST year.
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I hope that Duane is as good as advertised and supplants Derrick as the starter.
But if Wojo starts Derrick, I'm going to enjoy all the reactions on this board.
You already know that Duane is better than Derrick, which is why Buzz squeezed him into the RS, so he could play his pet, Derrick. Others have said as much on this board.
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You already know that Duane is better than Derrick, which is why Buzz squeezed him into the RS, so he could play his pet, Derrick. Others have said as much on this board.
True. Very true
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Personally, I think he will start at the beginning of the season. Buzz isn't the only coach who values experience at the PG position. But I do think Duane will surpass him by conference play.
I think he starts on the bench from the get go. If I was the coach, I think it would be harder to sit your senior leader after having him start at the beginning of the year. If he's starting at the beginning of the year, I would expect him to start all year.
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Just like you, he's being serious.
Terrible
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I think he starts on the bench from the get go. If I was the coach, I think it would be harder to sit your senior leader after having him start at the beginning of the year. If he's starting at the beginning of the year, I would expect him to start all year.
Right. Wojo comes from greatness. He knows that in order to win we will need to have our best 5 players starting which includes a solid point guard. Derrick Wilson shouldnt and wont be in the equation
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Man... I would have thought the good vibes from the wojo hire would have kept entire threads dedicated to trashing our own players off of this site for at least a week... Didn't quite make it.
expectations too high
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Right. Wojo comes from greatness. He knows that in order to win we will need to have our best 5 players starting which includes a solid point guard. Derrick Wilson shouldnt and wont be in the equation
Did you know that Wojo averaged 5.4 points and 3.9 assists as a defensively minded point guard at Duke? I have no idea how things are going to shake out, but do not assume that he is going to bench a low-turnover, high defensive effort senior. Think of it as the Duke way.
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Did you know that Wojo averaged 5.4 points and 3.9 assists as a defensively minded point guard at Duke? I have no idea how things are going to shake out, but do not assume that he is going to bench a low-turnover, high defensive effort senior. Think of it as the Duke way.
How long ago was that? 15+ years. You dont get to Final Fours or win a Championship with non scoring STARTING point guards anymore. Wojo knows that!
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Right. Wojo comes from greatness. He knows that in order to win we will need to have our best 5 players starting which includes a solid point guard. Derrick Wilson shouldnt and wont be in the equation
What people still don't understand is that there is a very real possibility that Derek was our best option at PG, even if Duane was healthy.
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What people still don't understand is that there is a very real possibility that Derek was our best option at PG, even if Duane was healthy.
I highly doubt that
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You already know that Duane is better than Derrick, which is why Buzz squeezed him into the RS, so he could play his pet, Derrick. Others have said as much on this board.
Please point out these posts so I can angrily slurp at them!
In all seriousness, I don't remember reading anything like that besides people who are trying to use the departure of Buzz as proof that the best players rode the bench last season. Which is a huge jump in logic.
And I took your advice and talked to more people close to the program about Duane's redshirt. They still say that there is NOTHING to your claim.
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I highly doubt that
Go to a practice some time. It's the only place that you can see all three of the PGs get an equal shot. From what I have been told, Derek won every time.
Of course what Buzz looks for and Wojo looks for are two different things.
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Please point out these posts so I can angrily slurp at them!
In all seriousness, I don't remember reading anything like that besides people who are trying to use the departure of Buzz as proof that the best players rode the bench last season. Which is a huge jump in logic.
And I took your advice and talked to more people close to the program about Duane's redshirt. They still say that there is NOTHING to your claim.
Detective tamu eagle..lol
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Go to a practice some time. It's the only place that you can see all three of the PGs get an equal shot. From what I have been told, Derek won every time.
Of course what Buzz looks for and Wojo looks for are two different things.
I highly doubt he won every time. Here's just one more reminder of what he did last year as a Junior! 31 mpg, 5 pts, 4.2 assists, 3.8 rebounds. His defense was overrated (certainly not a game changer) and his shooting numbers were atrocious to be kind. 44% from the line, 39% from the field, and .071% from 3. How you shoot 39% from the field when you shoot from 3 ft in is beyond me. We couldn't and will not win with him playing more than 10 minutes a game.
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How long ago was that? 15+ years. You dont get to Final Fours or win a Championship with non scoring STARTING point guards anymore. Wojo knows that!
Louisville won with Siva averaging only 10 a game, and Kentucky won with Teague only averaging 10 a game.
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Louisville won with Siva averaging only 10 a game, and Kentucky won with Teague only averaging 10 a game.
Those are both double what Derrick averaged.
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Louisville won with Siva averaging only 10 a game, and Kentucky won with Teague only averaging 10 a game.
10 points that Derrick Wilson cant average!
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I don't think it is De Wilson's statistical output that is frustrating. I think most 'anti De Wilson" scoopers would be happy with the numbers he put up if he was a much better facilitator on offense, but sadly, this is not the case. Point guards need to be able to make over 50% of their free throws and have a respectable 3 pt% (which Wojo did and had), hit the open man in rhythm, push the ball when needed, play defense, and the list goes on. Derek is below average in all but one of these categories.
I agree with tower that Derek will get playing time... but how much? Who knows. Buzz implemented a slow down, grind it out style to fit his returning roster last season. This in Buzz's whacked out head favored Derek. It doesn't appear he could come to terms with this approach being flawed, and despite the talent on the roster, would not stray from this flawed style. This did Derek and everyone else on the team a disservice and I think they (the team/players) knew it. As a result, I believe he he lost the team. Wojo has a chance to start from scratch. I'm not sure Buzz would have been able to. Wojo will make his evaluations and put out a team he feels can win (Just like Buzz did) and it appears to many of us scoopers that this will not include a 35+ min a game De Wilson.
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I don't think it is De Wilson's statistical output that is frustrating. I think most 'anti De Wilson" scoopers would be happy with the numbers he put up if he was a much better facilitator on offense, but sadly, this is not the case. Point guards need to be able to make over 50% of their free throws and have a respectable 3 pt% (which Wojo did and had), hit the open man in rhythm, push the ball when needed, play defense, and the list goes on. Derek is below average in all but one of these categories.
I agree with tower that Derek will get playing time... but how much? Who knows. Buzz implemented a slow down, grind it out style to fit his returning roster last season. This in Buzz's whacked out head favored Derek. It doesn't appear he could come to terms with this approach being flawed, and despite the talent on the roster, would not stray from this flawed style. This did Derek and everyone else on the team a disservice and I think they (the team/players) knew it. As a result, I believe he he lost the team. Wojo has a chance to start from scratch. I'm not sure Buzz would have been able to. Wojo will make his evaluations and put out a team he feels can win (Just like Buzz did) and it appears to many of us scoopers that this will not include a 35+ min a game De Wilson.
Well said.
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Did you know that Wojo averaged 5.4 points and 3.9 assists as a defensively minded point guard at Duke? I have no idea how things are going to shake out, but do not assume that he is going to bench a low-turnover, high defensive effort senior. Think of it as the Duke way.
As the Buzz slurping goes on. Buzz Williams way=The Duke way. Thank you for the education Tower.
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I highly doubt he won every time. Here's just one more reminder of what he did last year as a Junior! 31 mpg, 5 pts, 4.2 assists, 3.8 rebounds. His defense was overrated (certainly not a game changer) and his shooting numbers were atrocious to be kind. 44% from the line, 39% from the field, and .071% from 3. How you shoot 39% from the field when you shoot from 3 ft in is beyond me. We couldn't and will not win with him playing more than 10 minutes a game.
We actually won 17 games with Derek getting more than 10 minutes a game. And were 4 points short of winning 21 games.
I'm not saying that Derek is all world. What I'm unfortunately saying is that maybe our bench isn't as good as you think it is.
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Please point out these posts so I can angrily slurp at them!
In all seriousness, I don't remember reading anything like that besides people who are trying to use the departure of Buzz as proof that the best players rode the bench last season. Which is a huge jump in logic.
And I took your advice and talked to more people close to the program about Duane's redshirt. They still say that there is NOTHING to your claim.
This has been posted by several people. You just do not believe them. believe what you want. Buzz was and is that big of a prick!!!
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We actually won 17 games with Derek getting more than 10 minutes a game. And were 4 points short of winning 21 games.
I'm not saying that Derek is all world. What I'm unfortunately saying is that maybe our bench isn't as good as you think it is.
We were also 5 points away from being a 14 win team. There are many different ways to look at that. The bottom line is we failed to make the tournament and that is how I judge the season.
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We actually won 17 games with Derek getting more than 10 minutes a game. And were 4 points short of winning 21 games.
I'm not saying that Derek is all world. What I'm unfortunately saying is that maybe our bench isn't as good as you think it is.
Yup, forgetting to mention we lost 15 games with your boy Derrick.
Spoken like a true Buuz apologist.
Summed up best by:
Kevin O'neil announcing: MU is playing 4 on 5 out there with that PG
12 year old girl with Dad at MU game: "Daddy why isn't anybody guarding #12 out there?" Dad says daughter knows nothing about basketball.
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10 points that Derrick Wilson cant average!
DW averaged 5 a game. I pointed out that 2 out of the last 3 NC had PG's who averaged 10 a game, not all world offensive minded PG's. Good lord the thickheadedness around here is contagious.
I swear Ners or Willie created a 2nd Scoop account, just so they could have someone else that would be this hysterical and get wound up so easy.
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DW averaged 5 a game. I pointed out that 2 out of the last 3 NC had PG's who averaged 10 a game, not all world offensive minded PG's. Good lord the thickheadedness around here is contagious.
I swear Ners or Willie created a 2nd Scoop account, just so they could have someone else that would be this hysterical and get wound up so easy.
Oh boy. Another Buzz/Derrick slurper. Thank you sir, can we get another. And speaking of thickheadedness...well!
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DW averaged 5 a game. I pointed out that 2 out of the last 3 NC had PG's who averaged 10 a game, not all world offensive minded PG's. Good lord the thickheadedness around here is contagious.
I swear Ners or Willie created a 2nd Scoop account, just so they could have someone else that would be this hysterical and get wound up so easy.
The 2 guys you mentioned were both NBA draft picks, who were elite in other phases of the game. Its not really a fair comparison to Derrick, who has 0% chance to get drafted and is not in he same stratosphere as those guys.
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Derrick had comparable numbers to Wojo's at Duke. If he shows the best understanding of the offensive and defensive principles that Wojo is going to be implementing, he is going to get time. Can he beat Duane or JD one on one? I highly doubt it. Will he be the best game manager for Wojo? I don't know. But it is certainly possible.
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The 2 guys you mentioned were both NBA draft picks, who were elite in other phases of the game. Its not really a fair comparison to Derrick, who has 0% chance to get drafted and is not in he same stratosphere as those guys.
My original point, was around offensive production, and used one data point of PPG to illustrate that.
Teague averaged, 10 ppg, 4.8 assists, 2.7 turnovers, shot 41% from the field, 71% from the line, and 32% from 3
Siva averaged: 10 ppg, 5.7 assists, 2.7 turnovers, 40% from the field, 80% from the line, and 28% from 3.
Now, DW: 5ppg, 4.8 assists, 1.5 turnovers, 39% from the field, 44% from the line, and about 7% from 3 (oooff on that one).
Again, a few posters have wound themselves so frackin' tight that they think DW was the source of the majority of our issues this year. When everyone on the team, doesn't meet our nerd-fan boy expectations (Jamil had a down year, Gardner looked disinterested 1/2 the time, Buzz had numerous shortcomings and, yes DW as well, injuries, and last second transfers)
And again to my original point about from our friend atk13thst, no you do not need all world offensive minded PG to win a NCAA championship.
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Derrick can't shoot a 1, 2 or 3 pointer consistently. . .
He is a total non threat on Offense and Overrated on Defense. . .
Watching him play 20-30 minutes makes MU not even worth the price to park at the Bradley Center. Lets not include game tickets. We pay quality money we want a quality product. Period
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So, new coach. New system. Limited proven returning scoring. But if Derrick shows himself to have the best grasp of the offensive and defensive principles, has the trust of the coach, who sees himself in Derrick's game, to be the best on-court manager, you aren't going to attend the games? Hmmmm. Tempting.
For the record, I think that, as the team is currently configured, Duane or JD will get the majority of the minutes at the 1. But as always, I am open to the possibilities.
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Derrick can't shoot a 1, 2 or 3 pointer consistently. . .
He is a total non threat on Offense and Overrated on Defense. . .
Watching him play 20-30 minutes makes MU not even worth the price to park at the Bradley Center. Lets not include game tickets. We pay quality money we want a quality product. Period
Oh, I am sorry chief. Horrible terrible world you live in where you are forced to buy MU game tickets. So did Bazz Williams himself, shop up to your house, and at gunpoint shove tickets in your mouth, and hold your family hostage until you finally gave over an AMEX card so you could buy the tickets?
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Oh, I am sorry chief. Horrible terrible world you live in where you are forced to buy MU game tickets. So did Bazz Williams himself, shop up to your house, and at gunpoint shove tickets in your mouth, and hold your family hostage until you finally gave over an AMEX card so you could buy the tickets?
Sorry Chief. I dont pay for tickets. But I did pay for parking. If I had to but tickets I prolly wouldnt until after May 2015 when the roster graduates the last of the players who arent division 1 talent.
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Sorry Chief. I dont pay for tickets. But I did pay for parking. If I had to but tickets I prolly wouldnt until after May 2015 when the roster graduates the last of the players who arent division 1 talent.
Did you hate Cadougan too? Because DWill is putting up similar numbers.
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Sorry Chief. I dont pay for tickets. But I did pay for parking. If I had to but tickets I prolly wouldnt until after May 2015 when the roster graduates the last of the players who arent division 1 talent.
Daddy's tickets. Cute.
Here's an idea, if you don't want to pay for parking, there's something called a street to park on.
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He would have hated Coach Wojo when he was a player at Duke putting up the same numbers as Derrick.
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Sorry Chief. I dont pay for tickets. But I did pay for parking. If I had to but tickets I prolly wouldnt until after May 2015 when the roster graduates the last of the players who arent division 1 talent.
Thiw post explains so much about you, good luck in life. My guess is that you will certainly need it.
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Maybe people will take a break from scoop until the "non-D1 talent" is gone too.
I understand the frustration with Derrick's play this year. I don't understand how totally unrelated topics (ie another team winning the title) becomes a chance to (once again) rip on our own players. Not his fault he was asked to handle a role that at this point was above his level... Wasn't that long ago that posters were calling for Derrick to take Cadougan's minutes.
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My original point, was around offensive production, and used one data point of PPG to illustrate that.
Teague averaged, 10 ppg, 4.8 assists, 2.7 turnovers, shot 41% from the field, 71% from the line, and 32% from 3
Siva averaged: 10 ppg, 5.7 assists, 2.7 turnovers, 40% from the field, 80% from the line, and 28% from 3.
Now, DW: 5ppg, 4.8 assists, 1.5 turnovers, 39% from the field, 44% from the line, and about 7% from 3 (oooff on that one).
Again, a few posters have wound themselves so frackin' tight that they think DW was the source of the majority of our issues this year. When everyone on the team, doesn't meet our nerd-fan boy expectations (Jamil had a down year, Gardner looked disinterested 1/2 the time, Buzz had numerous shortcomings and, yes DW as well, injuries, and last second transfers)
And again to my original point about from our friend atk13thst, no you do not need all world offensive minded PG to win a NCAA championship.
Why do you think Jamil had a down year? Gardner disinterested? They had the most inept starting point guard in college basketball to play 30+ minutes alongside.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Are you fracking serious trying to compare Siva and Teague to Derrick? Derrick took exactly 4 shots outside of the painted area in ALL of conference play and still managed to only shoot 39% from the field. 44% from FT line? 7% from 3 point land with 2 career makes through the end of his junior year??
It is beyond goofy that some would try to defend the atrocious play of Derrick. Junior Cadougan was 3x the player as to Derrick. Losing Trent Lockett and Vander Blue was not the reason this team went from Elite 8 to missing the NIT. Mayo's numbers across the board were better than Blue's particularly when measured as points per 40. Shot better percentages from FT line, got there at twice the rate, shot better percentage from 2 points, and 3 point shots than blue...higher eFG% than blue, higher assist rate.
Please for the love of God..would the 4 people here TAMU, Tower, Wades and Reinko - stop putting out ridiculous posts trying to validate and justify Derrick's performance as being even serviceable. Didn't make 1 shot from field outside of 3 feet for all of conference play.
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Why do you think Jamil had a down year? Gardner disinterested? They had the most inept starting point guard in college basketball to play 30+ minutes alongside.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Are you fracking serious trying to compare Siva and Teague to Derrick? Derrick took exactly 4 shots outside of the painted area in ALL of conference play and still managed to only shoot 39% from the field. 44% from FT line? 7% from 3 point land with 2 career makes through the end of his junior year??
It is beyond goofy that some would try to defend the atrocious play of Derrick. Junior Cadougan was 3x the player as to Derrick. Losing Trent Lockett and Vander Blue was not the reason this team went from Elite 8 to missing the NIT. Mayo's numbers across the board were better than Blue's particularly when measured as points per 40. Shot better percentages from FT line, got there at twice the rate, shot better percentage from 2 points, and 3 point shots than blue...higher eFG% than blue, higher assist rate.
Please for the love of God..would the 4 people here TAMU, Tower, Wades and Reinko - stop putting out ridiculous posts trying to validate and justify Derrick's performance as being even serviceable. Didn't make 1 shot from field outside of 3 feet for all of conference play.
Exactly. .
They tryna justify a 42% Free throw shooter...... Stop I'll get "Daddy Tickets" all next year before paying to see shaquille wilson play 30 MPG. Lol.
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Why do you think Jamil had a down year? Gardner disinterested? They had the most inept starting point guard in college basketball to play 30+ minutes alongside.
Stop embarrassing yourself. Are you fracking serious trying to compare Siva and Teague to Derrick? Derrick took exactly 4 shots outside of the painted area in ALL of conference play and still managed to only shoot 39% from the field. 44% from FT line? 7% from 3 point land with 2 career makes through the end of his junior year??
It is beyond goofy that some would try to defend the atrocious play of Derrick. Junior Cadougan was 3x the player as to Derrick. Losing Trent Lockett and Vander Blue was not the reason this team went from Elite 8 to missing the NIT. Mayo's numbers across the board were better than Blue's particularly when measured as points per 40. Shot better percentages from FT line, got there at twice the rate, shot better percentage from 2 points, and 3 point shots than blue...higher eFG% than blue, higher assist rate.
Please for the love of God..would the 4 people here TAMU, Tower, Wades and Reinko - stop putting out ridiculous posts trying to validate and justify Derrick's performance as being even serviceable. Didn't make 1 shot from field outside of 3 feet for all of conference play.
Derrick is why Jamil sucked this year? Haha. Wow. You and Willie come up with some crazy crap. Davante became disinterested because his point guard couldn't score a lot? Talk about a little b!tch if that is true. Grow a pair, man up, get angry, and make up for it by kicking ass. Pout instead? Good riddance if you actually believe that was Gardner's issue.
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Derrick is why Jamil sucked this year? Haha. Wow. You and Willie come up with some crazy crap. Davante became disinterested because his point guard couldn't score a lot? Talk about a little b!tch if that is true. Grow a pair, man up, get angry, and make up for it by kicking ass. Pout instead? Good riddance if you actually believe that was Gardner's issue.
Please....by the goofy analysis here...people are suggesting Gardner was part of the team's problem this past season. Give me a break. He didn't have an off the charts year, just a small bump in improvement from his junior year due to teams packing the paint...because they could.
And as for Jamil. Please answer this question:
You are an opposing coach - Brent Williams rolls out a starting lineup of: Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil and Otule - who are you game planning to take away??
It's the sum of the parts that make a basketball team good or bad...as in football...you could be Calvin Johnson but if you have Christian Ponder, Brandon Weedon, or Tim Tebow being the QB to get you the ball...guess what....you aint gonna be an All Pro receiver.
PG is most critical position on the basketball floor...Derrick's MAJOR limitations trickle down to the other 4 guys on the floor. Period. Just give it a rest. It's impossible to not comment on this issue, when you guys are making such absurd arguments to try to support the most limited offensive PG in all of high major basketball. Derrick didn't make 1 freaking FG outside of the painted area in 20 conference games...you don't think that hurts the other guys on the floor around him? Please re-post when you return from Mars.
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Please....by the goofy analysis here...people are suggesting Gardner was part of the team's problem this past season. Give me a break. He didn't have an off the charts year, just a small bump in improvement from his junior year due to teams packing the paint...because they could.
And as for Jamil. Please answer this question:
You are an opposing coach - Brent Williams rolls out a starting lineup of: Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil and Otule - who are you game planning to take away??
It's the sum of the parts that make a basketball team good or bad...as in football...you could be Calvin Johnson but if you have Christian Ponder, Brandon Weedon, or Tim Tebow being the QB to get you the ball...guess what....you aint gonna be an All Pro receiver.
PG is most critical position on the basketball floor...Derrick's MAJOR limitations trickle down to the other 4 guys on the floor. Period. Just give it a rest. It's impossible to not comment on this issue, when you guys are making such absurd arguments to try to support the most limited offensive PG in all of high major basketball. Derrick didn't make 1 freaking FG outside of the painted area in 20 conference games...you don't think that hurts the other guys on the floor around him? Please re-post when you return from Mars.
The lack of development by anybody on the roster is what hurt the team. We knew what we were getting in Derrick. We did not get what we expected out of Jamil, Davante, Juan, Steve, and, up until the end of the season, Mayo. Player development was Bert's issue. Playing Derrick Wilson was not.
Also, a minute ago Derrick was the problem with Jamil. Now it is Derrick, Juan, Chris, and Jake. Got it. Changing it up minute by minute.
Anyways, Juan played 13 minutes per game and Chris played 18 minutes per game. Jamil played 29. Even if those 2 were on the court with Jamil for every single one of their minutes, that still leaves 11 minutes per game where Jamil is on the court and neither of those 2 are. Jake and Jamil should've helped each other out, with Jake spreading the floor as the shooter and Jamil playing the role of the slasher. But instead, Jamil played the role of the invisible man. There was no helping Jamil. Jamil was soft.
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The lack of development by anybody on the roster is what hurt the team. We knew what we were getting in Derrick. We did not get what we expected out of Jamil, Davante, Juan, Steve, and, up until the end of the season, Mayo. Player development was Bert's issue. Playing Derrick Wilson was not.
Also, a minute ago Derrick was the problem with Jamil. Now it is Derrick, Juan, Chris, and Jake. Got it. Changing it up minute by minute.
Anyways, Juan played 13 minutes per game and Chris played 18 minutes per game. Jamil played 29. Even if those 2 were on the court with Jamil for every single one of their minutes, that still leaves 11 minutes per game where Jamil is on the court and neither of those 2 are. Jake and Jamil should've helped each other out, with Jake spreading the floor as the shooter and Jamil playing the role of the slasher. But instead, Jamil played the role of the invisible man. There was no helping Jamil. Jamil was soft.
So because you "knew" what we were getting in Derrick - that absolves him of accountability and responsibility for being an effective PG? And, did you really think he'd not make a FG outside of the painted area in all of conference play going into last season? 1, 3pt shot made all year on 7% shooting? 44% from the FT line? All while getting more minutes than any other player on the team??
You want to cite lack of development by other players...but not question Derrick's complete lack of development all year? Want to indict Gardner who was our best big man since Damon Key/Rob Jackson and one of the most efficient scorers in all of college basketball? Want to complete ignore the fact basketball is a team game...and if you have the weakest link at the most important position on the floor that doesn't hurt every other player? And want to call Jamil "soft." Hell, I'd take a soft Derrick Wilson all day long if he could average 12ppg, make a few 3 point shots, shoot 65% from the FT line, and make a 2point FG outside of the paint.
And Jamil the "invisible man." Please...the invisible man that didn't need to be guarded was Derrick. Not even sure why I'm responding to such foolish commentary. Please re-post when back from Pluto...you aren't even on point enough to be considered next planet over...you are totally out there...land of Pluto.
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Did you hate Cadougan too? Because DWill is putting up similar numbers.
Caddy was twice the PG that Derrick was, Pushed the ball and a way better passer. Shot FT's better and ocassionally made a 3.
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Yup, forgetting to mention we lost 15 games with your boy Derrick.
I didn't need to mention it. I was responding to a poster who claimed that we will not a win a game with Derrick starting.
Wasn't saying Derrick should start or even play at all. I was just addressing the hyperbole that is both untrue and insulting to one of our players.
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Brent was playing Buzzball,its gonna be all the rage in gobblercountry as soon as he finds 4 assistants to help him
with player development and interest in the program.
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I put the blame this year for Derricks performance on the coach. It is incomprehensible that he would give the PG responsibility to a kid who has no offensive instincts and zero shooting ability. Not fair to the kid. He tried his best but was not up to the task. If he gets more than 10 minutes a game next year we are in a heap of trouble. The free throw percentage was so bad that our opponents generally benefitted when they fouled him particularly in one on one situations. Wojo may look kindly on his hustle and character but will not risk his own future on the kid.
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Maybe people will take a break from scoop until the "non-D1 talent" is gone too.
I understand the frustration with Derrick's play this year. I don't understand how totally unrelated topics (ie another team winning the title) becomes a chance to (once again) rip on our own players. Not his fault he was asked to handle a role that at this point was above his level... Wasn't that long ago that posters were calling for Derrick to take Cadougan's minutes.
Reason doesn't get very far with people who have already made up their mind.
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I didn't need to mention it. I was responding to a poster who claimed that we will not a win a game with Derrick starting.
Wasn't saying Derrick should start or even play at all. I was just addressing the hyperbole that is both untrue and insulting to one of our players.
No you weren't. Go back and read the posts. That poster did not say we would not win a game with Derrick, he said we would not win with Derrick. They are not the same thing. In addition he was responding to your post defending Derrick because "you were told that Derrick won against the other two PG's every time in practice." Maybe you were told that. I have been told that Buzz squeezed Duane into his RS. Buzz spun that a different way, that "we" decided it was in everybody's best interest. You are spinning just like your boy Buzz spins. Your spin was "Actually we won 17 games with Derrick at PG playing more than 10 minutes." Implication spin "We did pretty good"
I believe that had Buzz not forced Duane into a RS, and we had him for the last twenty or so games of the year, we would have won 3 or more games. Buzz hurt the team and Duane with his BS. All so he could play his boy Derrick and not have to put up with fan pressure to play Duane.
It worked out well for El Bozo.
Tour defense of Derrick/Buzz is ludicrous.
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No you weren't. Go back and read the posts. That poster did not say we would not win a game with Derrick, he said we would not win with Derrick. They are not the same thing. In addition he was responding to your post defending Derrick because "you were told that Derrick won against the other two PG's every time in practice." Maybe you were told that. I have been told that Buzz squeezed Duane into his RS. Buzz spun that a different way, that "we" decided it was in everybody's best interest. You are spinning just like your boy Buzz spins. Your spin was "Actually we won 17 games with Derrick at PG playing more than 10 minutes." Implication spin "We did pretty good"
I believe that had Buzz not forced Duane into a RS, and we had him for the last twenty or so games of the year, we would have won 3 or more games. Buzz hurt the team and Duane with his BS. All so he could play his boy Derrick and not have to put up with fan pressure to play Duane.
It worked out well for El Bozo.
Tour defense of Derrick/Buzz is ludicrous.
So Duane Wilson is just lying to cover up for Buzz Williams, the guy you say screwed him over and forced him into a decision he did not want to make? Again, Willie, you come up with some crazy interesting theories.
What is your theory on 9/11? Bush guided missiles into the WTCs and Pentagon?
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So Duane Wilson is just lying to cover up for Buzz Williams, the guy you say screwed him over and forced him into a decision he did not want to make? Again, Willie, you come up with some crazy interesting theories.
What is your theory on 9/11? Bush guided missiles into the WTCs and Pentagon?
Duane was put in a bad spot. Buzz said he wasn't going to play him, so Duane did the logical thing and redshirted. Why would he waste a season when the coach said he wouldn't play him? It forced his hand, he had no other option. Duane has taken the high road whenever asked about this, but its perfectly clear this was his only option.
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I didn't need to mention it. I was responding to a poster who claimed that we will not a win a meaningful game with Derrick starting.
Wasn't saying Derrick should start or even play at all. I was just addressing the hyperbole that is both untrue and insulting to one of our players.
FTFY. Sorry, I like Derrick a lot, but he is better suited to be defensive stopper off of the bench, bringing energy in spot minutes.
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Duane was put in a bad spot. Buzz said he wasn't going to play him, so Duane did the logical thing and redshirted. Why would he waste a season when the coach said he wouldn't play him? It forced his hand, he had no other option. Duane has taken the high road whenever asked about this, but its perfectly clear this was his only option.
Sorry, but you are wrong.
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Duane was put in a bad spot. Buzz said he wasn't going to play him, so Duane did the logical thing and redshirted. Why would he waste a season when the coach said he wouldn't play him? It forced his hand, he had no other option. Duane has taken the high road whenever asked about this, but its perfectly clear this was his only option.
You don't have a clue. You state a made up premise to justify your argument and to make it worse, you call Duane a liar.
When did Buzz say he wouldn't play him? You stated it as fact, so let's have the details. And things CANNOT be perfectly clear without one shred of evidence.
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FTFY. Sorry, I like Derrick a lot, but he is better suited to be defensive stopper off of the bench, bringing energy in spot minutes.
Hes not a defensive stopper... His defense is a little above average at best... But since his offense is so bad thats the only bright spot in his game..
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So Duane Wilson is just lying to cover up for Buzz Williams, the guy you say screwed him over and forced him into a decision he did not want to make? Again, Willie, you come up with some crazy interesting theories.
What is your theory on 9/11? Bush guided missiles into the WTCs and Pentagon?
Yes, Buzz screwed him in typical Buzz fashion. Talk to people in the know. Sorry that doesn't fit your glowing esteem of Buzz. Had we had Duane for the balance of the year, Derrick would have been on the pines and we win at least 3 more games.
Believe what you want to believe. The rest of your BS Buzzspeak about 9/11 is irrelavent.
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You don't have a clue. You state a made up premise to justify your argument and to make it worse, you call Duane a liar.
When did Buzz say he wouldn't play him? You stated it as fact, so let's have the details. And things CANNOT be perfectly clear without one shred of evidence.
Do you know how to read? In the Paint Touches article, it specifically states Buzz told him it would be in his best interest to redshirt. He would not play him as he wasn't going to be strong enough, or in good enough shape. Seems like a pretty easy decision for Duane considering those comments.
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Do you know how to read? In the Paint Touches article, it specifically states Buzz told him it would be in his best interest to redshirt. He would not play him as he wasn't going to be strong enough, or in good enough shape. Seems like a pretty easy decision for Duane considering those comments.
Not only did Buzz tell him that, he did not play him or any of the frosh much at that point. We could have used Duane for the last 20 games or so. Derrick wasn't doing crap as the season progressed. All part of Buzz's master plan to play Derrick max minutes to prove he was the man. Hurt the team big time.
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Not only did Buzz tell him that, he did not play him or any of the frosh much at that point. We could have used Duane for the last 20 games or so. Derrick wasn't doing crap as the season progressed. All part of Buzz's master plan to play Derrick max minutes to prove he was the man. Hurt the team big time.
Duane himself said words the actual words HE IS CONFIDENT HE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION.
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Your people must be really in the know, if they know more than Duane himself.
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Duane himself said words the actual words HE IS CONFIDENT HE MADE THE RIGHT DECISION.
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Your people must be really in the know, if they know more than Duane himself.
And of course it was the right decision when his OWN COACH WAS FORCING HIM.
WHAT ABOUT THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE FOR YOU? YOUR BLIND WOODY FOR BUZZ!!!!!!!
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And of course it was the right decision when his OWN COACH WAS FORCING HIM.
WHAT ABOUT THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE FOR YOU? YOUR BLIND WOODY FOR BUZZ!!!!!!!
Duane had the same chance to earn his minutes, just like everyone else did....IN PRACTICE. Derrick was beating him at practice. Hell, Dawson was beating him at practice at the beginning.
Duane wasn't being forced to sit because Derrick was "Buzz's guy." Duane WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH RIGHT AFTER THE INJURY TO PASS UP DAWSON ON THE DEPTH CHART. Buzz looks for certain things during practice and Duane was not able to give it to him. Personally, I hope Wojo introduces a different defense that isn't so difficult for recruits to learn.
This was not some evil plan by Buzz. This was Buzz telling Duane honestly that he was the third best option at PG at the time. So Duane decided to redshirt, which is good for Duane and good for our program. Remember how much it hurt that Junior didn't redshirt? We wouldn't even be having these arguments because Derrick would still be a backup.
I know you want to believe that Buzz is an all around squirmy guy. And he was! But of the many things about his administration, this is one of the most squirm free.
Again, not saying Derrick is a world beater, unfortunately saying that our bench is not as good as we think it is.
Except in the case of Johnson and Taylor. That was about him and Buzz not seeing eye to eye.
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Duane had the same chance to earn his minutes, just like everyone else did....IN PRACTICE. Derrick was beating him at practice. Hell, Dawson was beating him at practice at the beginning.
Duane wasn't being forced to sit because Derrick was "Buzz's guy." Duane WAS NOT GOOD ENOUGH RIGHT AFTER THE INJURY TO PASS UP DAWSON ON THE DEPTH CHART. Buzz looks for certain things during practice and Duane was not able to give it to him. Personally, I hope Wojo introduces a different defense that isn't so difficult for recruits to learn.
This was not some evil plan by Buzz. This was Buzz telling Duane honestly that he was the third best option at PG at the time. So Duane decided to redshirt, which is good for Duane and good for our program. Remember how much it hurt that Junior didn't redshirt? We wouldn't even be having these arguments because Derrick would still be a backup.
I know you want to believe that Buzz is an all around squirmy guy. And he was! But of the many things about his administration, this is one of the most squirm free.
Again, not saying Derrick is a world beater, unfortunately saying that our bench is not as good as we think it is.
Except in the case of Johnson and Taylor. That was about him and Buzz not seeing eye to eye.
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Good thing we have a thread addressed to our former coach about something he no longer has any control over. Brilliant!
Ultimate Warrior dead last night.....your gif is a nice tribute
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Duane's lying and we need to talk to the insiders. Hilarious. Duane apparently isn't an insider about himself.
Anyways, I was talking to an insider throughout the process. You can go back and read if you'd like. Pay attention to the posts about Duane considering transferring and about McKay transferring days before McKay's transfer was announced. That wasn't just some dumb luck shot in the dark. Was Duane upset at first? Yup. He was used to being the best player on the court every day. But when he wasn't getting it done in practice and Brent told him he would get very little minutes per game, Duane and his family decided redshirting would be best for him. Would you guys have preferred Duane gets beat out by the other 2 point guards as a result of injury keeping him out the first 3 months of the season (including a month of practice before games) and Buzz telling him to waste a year of eligibility and not redshirt just to get a minute or 2 in blowouts? Ask Cadougan how that worked out for him. Oh wait, Duane did that and Cadougan regretted it. But Duane and Cadougan are Bert slurpers and lying to cover his back, we just have to talk to someone in the know. Because Willie, Nevada, and Ners are in the know but Duane and Cadougan are not.
Also, pay attention to my posts since Bert has left. But it doesn't fit your narrative that I'm a slurper and that this is Duane lying and Bert being a douche, so you won't.
Again, some really, really hilarious stuff you guys come up with.
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Again, some really, really hilarious stuff you guys come up with.
Respect the process.
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Duane's lying and we need to talk to the insiders. Hilarious. Duane apparently isn't an insider about himself.
Anyways, I was talking to an insider throughout the process. You can go back and read if you'd like. Pay attention to the posts about Duane considering transferring and about McKay transferring days before McKay's transfer was announced. That wasn't just some dumb luck shot in the dark. Was Duane upset at first? Yup. He was used to being the best player on the court every day. But when he wasn't getting it done in practice and Brent told him he would get very little minutes per game, Duane and his family decided redshirting would be best for him. Would you guys have preferred Duane gets beat out by the other 2 point guards as a result of injury keeping him out the first 3 months of the season (including a month of practice before games) and Buzz telling him to waste a year of eligibility and not redshirt just to get a minute or 2 in blowouts? Ask Cadougan how that worked out for him. Oh wait, Duane did that and Cadougan regretted it. But Duane and Cadougan are Bert slurpers and lying to cover his back, we just have to talk to someone in the know. Because Willie, Nevada, and Ners are in the know but Duane and Cadougan are not.
Also, pay attention to my posts since Bert has left. But it doesn't fit your narrative that I'm a slurper and that this is Duane lying and Bert being a douche, so you won't.
Again, some really, really hilarious stuff you guys come up with.
I don't think you are a Brent slurper Wades...think you are a Derrick slurper. Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you not hold Derrick accountable for showing no improvement/player development last year when he was given more minutes than any other player on the team to show development?
If you were a head coach, and Buzz rolled out: Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil and Chris - which player are you going to game plan to take away?
Why is last year's poor performance (missing the NIT) the result of Jamil, Davante, or Todd not taking big steps up in their games - yet Davante and Mayo had slightly better years than the year before and Jamil was about on par with his junior year? So, 2 of those guys - Todd and Davante upped their games slightly while being handicapped by playing with the worst PG in high major basketball...and Jamil basically stayed same as a junior - yet we go from Elite 8 to missing NIT??
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I don't think you are a Brent slurper Wades...think you are a Derrick slurper. Still waiting for you to answer the questions:
Why do you not hold Derrick accountable for showing no improvement/player development last year when he was given more minutes than any other player on the team to show development?
If you were a head coach, and Buzz rolled out: Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil and Chris - which player are you going to game plan to take away?
Why is last year's poor performance (missing the NIT) the result of Jamil, Davante, or Todd not taking big steps up in their games - yet Davante and Mayo had slightly better years than the year before and Jamil was about on par with his junior year? So, 2 of those guys - Todd and Davante upped their games slightly while being handicapped by playing with the worst PG in high major basketball...and Jamil basically stayed same as a junior - yet we go from Elite 8 to missing NIT??
You are right, Derrick did not get significantly better from his sophomore year to his junior year. I guess my point is this: Going into the season, we knew Derrick would start, even if Duane was healthy. Did we expect 31 minutes per game? Even I, as a fan of Derrick (not saying he doesn't have limitations) would not have expected nearly that. But I did think Derrick would play the most minutes at point guard. And I did not expect Derrick to average double digit points per game. Did anybody here? Derrick was more or less what I thought he would be. Maybe other people here expected he would be more.
What I did expect was for Jamil to take a step forward and become a consistent threat and a leader on the team. I did expect Davante to take a step forward and not become seemingly disinterested and pouty in the game at times. I did not expect Mayo to ride the bench up until the 2nd half of the BE season. I did not expect Steve to be injured or just sit on the bench all season. I expected each of these players to provide significantly more than they did, while I expected Derrick to give us about what he gave us. Is Derrick at fault? Would a scoring threat at point guard have helped? Absolutely. But when you go into a season, you typically have a system in place based on what you have and how to get the maximum performance from that roster. If I was coaching last year's team, I would've accepted that Derrick was the best option at point guard, for better or worse, and I would've come up with a system to hide his shortcomings offensively and I would've focused on getting Jamil, Steve, Todd, and Davante to take bigger steps forward than what they actually did.
I would be willing to bet that Wojo will give Derrick more than 20 minutes per game this year, and that we will see more or less the same Derrick that we saw last year. What I also would be willing to bet is that we will see a more consistent Todd, a better Steve, and more production from Deonte and JJJ, as well as others. That's the problem, if you ask me. Last year, the players I expected to see take a step forward made very minimal improvements.
It's like when the Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010. Did we have a weakness at running back? Absolutely. So was the Packers game plan to just keep running the ball in hopes that we'd suddenly find a running game? Nope. It was to use the weapons we had at quarterback and wide receiver and hide that weakness. If the Packers had lost in the Wild Card round of the Playoffs that year with Rodgers throwing for only 200 yards, 1 touchdown, and 3 interceptions while the running game got only 50 yards total would everyone say it was the lack of a running game that lost us that game? No. They would say our passing game didn't show up, Rodgers played awful, and the blame would lie there. Could a solid running game have changed the result? Sure. But we didn't have it, so we came up with a system where we were effective anyways. Brent never did that this past year.
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You are right, Derrick did not get significantly better from his sophomore year to his junior year. I guess my point is this: Going into the season, we knew Derrick would start, even if Duane was healthy. Did we expect 31 minutes per game? Even I, as a fan of Derrick (not saying he doesn't have limitations) would not have expected nearly that. But I did think Derrick would play the most minutes at point guard. And I did not expect Derrick to average double digit points per game. Did anybody here? Derrick was more or less what I thought he would be. Maybe other people here expected he would be more.
What I did expect was for Jamil to take a step forward and become a consistent threat and a leader on the team. I did expect Davante to take a step forward and not become seemingly disinterested and pouty in the game at times. I did not expect Mayo to ride the bench up until the 2nd half of the BE season. I did not expect Steve to be injured or just sit on the bench all season. I expected each of these players to provide significantly more than they did, while I expected Derrick to give us about what he gave us. Is Derrick at fault? Would a scoring threat at point guard have helped? Absolutely. But when you go into a season, you typically have a system in place based on what you have and how to get the maximum performance from that roster. If I was coaching last year's team, I would've accepted that Derrick was the best option at point guard, for better or worse, and I would've come up with a system to hide his shortcomings offensively and I would've focused on getting Jamil, Steve, Todd, and Davante to take bigger steps forward than what they actually did.
I would be willing to bet that Wojo will give Derrick more than 20 minutes per game this year, and that we will see more or less the same Derrick that we saw last year. What I also would be willing to bet is that we will see a more consistent Todd, a better Steve, and more production from Deonte and JJJ, as well as others. That's the problem, if you ask me. Last year, the players I expected to see take a step forward made very minimal improvements.
It's like when the Packers won the Super Bowl in 2010. Did we have a weakness at running back? Absolutely. So was the Packers game plan to just keep running the ball in hopes that we'd suddenly find a running game? Nope. It was to use the weapons we had at quarterback and wide receiver and hide that weakness. If the Packers had lost in the Wild Card round of the Playoffs that year with Rodgers throwing for only 200 yards, 1 touchdown, and 3 interceptions while the running game got only 50 yards total would everyone say it was the lack of a running game that lost us that game? No. They would say our passing game didn't show up, Rodgers played awful, and the blame would lie there. Could a solid running game have changed the result? Sure. But we didn't have it, so we came up with a system where we were effective anyways. Brent never did that this past year.
I didn't expect much out of Derrick, as I have never been a fan of his. I did however think he would perform much better than 39% fg, 44% ft, and 7% 3 pt. That is the type of offensive production you expected out of him? That is just a dismal display of offense.
As for your point of trying to hide his offensive shortcomings...how do you hide your point guard on offense? Especially when they know he won't shoot outside of 3ft. He is in charge of running your team and you want to hide him? This isn't little league where you hide your worst player out in right field. C'mon, this is ridiculous.