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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: drbob on January 05, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
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According to Zagsblog Diamond is visiting SMU there for game against Connecticut
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Maybe he thinks Buzz left for that job as some reported he would!
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Yes, noted somewhere here recently. Stone will be doing his due diligence searching for a team.
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Fischer scared him away.
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Fischer scared him away.
No. He'll see the floor but if this season is any indication with the freshman playing time, he's going to have to bang with Luke to earn it.
That isn't going to be easy for both of them.
Which is good for us.
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He got to see a nice upset victory over the Huskies.
Still like our chances
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No. He'll see the floor but if this season is any indication with the freshman playing time, he's going to have to bang with Luke to earn it.
That isn't going to be easy for both of them.
Which is good for us.
It was a sarcastic post because some seem to think that was the breaking point. The reality is that Stone was never coming to MU.
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Jerry Meyer just predicted he is
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It was a sarcastic post because some seem to think that was the breaking point. The reality is that Stone was never coming to MU.
Really??
This is what you said last week ...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41217.msg547453#msg547453
(December 29, 2013)
Willie! Are you watching?! Buzz is listening to you! We have Pierce coming on board, and now we may get Fischer, a 7' from Europe or somewhere, Ellenson, and Stone! In 2 years we could have 5/13 scholarships to guys 6'9" or taller! Yippee!
What will your opinion be next week?
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2 crystal balls for Marquette and one of them is Jerry Meyer. Not definitive by any stretch of the imagination but I like the trend
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2 crystal balls for Marquette and one of them is Jerry Meyer. Not definitive by any stretch of the imagination but I like the trend
Imagine having Fischer, Stone and Pierce all up front. Willie's wet dream.
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Imagine having Fischer, Stone and Pierce all up front. Willie's wet dream.
Don't forget Ellenson
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Really??
This is what you said last week ...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41217.msg547453#msg547453
(December 29, 2013)
Willie! Are you watching?! Buzz is listening to you! We have Pierce coming on board, and now we may get Fischer, a 7' from Europe or somewhere, Ellenson, and Stone! In 2 years we could have 5/13 scholarships to guys 6'9" or taller! Yippee!
What will your opinion be next week?
Lol. That entire post was said tongue in cheek.
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Jerry Meyer just predicted he is
Meyer predicted Stone to MU before Fischer announced he was coming here.
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A Stone and Fisher twin towers would be 100x Gardner and Otule.
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When does he plan on making a decision?
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When does he plan on making a decision?
No word on that but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't until next Fall.
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No word on that but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't until next Fall.
Nearly a whole year to obsess...
8-)
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No word on that but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't until next Fall.
Possibly not even until the Spring after that.
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A Stone and Fisher twin towers would be 100x Gardner and Otule.
Perhaps a touch of hyperbole.
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Don't forget Ellenson
If something positive about that recruitment doesn't come out soon, I think we probably can. Getting Fischer is more of a determent to getting Ellenson than getting Pierce or Diamond are.
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No word on that but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't until next Fall.
He cannot sign until next fall so even if he decided on MU tomorrow that doesn't stop Calipari regularly slipping him and his family c-notes until signing day in November. So, might as wait until next fall, if not the spring signing date.
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Buzz needs to treat JJJ better if he has any chance at all of getting Diamond Stone.
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Buzz needs to treat JJJ better if he has any chance at all of getting Diamond Stone.
Why? Are they close? I thought Duane Wilson's would matter more regarding this.
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A Stone and Fisher twin towers would be 100x Gardner and Otule.
Agreed. It's not as if Gardner and Otule ever helped us get to the Elite Eight or anything.
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A Stone and Fisher twin towers would be 100x Gardner and Otule.
The Real Twin Towers: Artis Gilmore & Pembrook Burrows
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AeasLruNSwA/TJPLxB3xtzI/AAAAAAAAAbI/KIkx3WoWNks/s400/genthumb.ashx.jpeg)
(http://members.jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/editorial/images/images/mdControlled/cms/2011/08/11/810439716.jpg)
(http://sincaatourney.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/77artis.jpg?w=590&h=689)
(http://www.reviewjournal.com/sites/default/files/field/image/8295648-3-150007.jpg)
(http://robbaustin.com/images/upload/fullsize/ROBB-BALL-31.jpg)
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Agreed. It's not as if Gardner and Otule ever helped us get to the Elite Eight or anything.
Yeah and? They helped that's it, this year pretty much proves they helped and that's it, a fisher and Stone front court I could see being as potent as what WI has going on this year.
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Buzz needs to treat JJJ better if he has any chance at all of getting Diamond Stone.
Ahhh, a devotee of the Keno Davis School of Recruiting Philosophy.
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Why? Are they close? I thought Duane Wilson's would matter more regarding this.
I'm guess he just means playing him more.
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The Real Twin Towers: Artis Gilmore & Pembrook Burrows
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AeasLruNSwA/TJPLxB3xtzI/AAAAAAAAAbI/KIkx3WoWNks/s400/genthumb.ashx.jpeg)
(http://members.jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/editorial/images/images/mdControlled/cms/2011/08/11/810439716.jpg)
(http://sincaatourney.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/77artis.jpg?w=590&h=689)
(http://www.reviewjournal.com/sites/default/files/field/image/8295648-3-150007.jpg)
(http://robbaustin.com/images/upload/fullsize/ROBB-BALL-31.jpg)
From Keefe's "he wears short shorts collection."
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Nearly a whole year to obsess...
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The Real Twin Towers: Artis Gilmore & Pembrook Burrows
That's Highway Patrol Sgt. Pembrook Burrows to you. http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1991-06-23/news/9103050340_1_burrows-dolphins-jacksonville-university
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remember when I said we would get Diamond Stone and everyone hated on me?
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remember when I said we would get Diamond Stone and everyone hated on me?
yes. and...
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remember when I said we would get Diamond Stone and everyone hated on me?
If it's any consolation we'll still f#cking hate you after he signs
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If it's any consolation we'll still f#cking hate you after he signs
LOL. Good one.
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remember when I said we would get Diamond Stone and everyone hated on me?
He ain't coming.
Who's the 2016 recruit? They giving Vander his year of eligibility back because he messed up so bad?
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From Keefe's "he wears short shorts collection."
Ziggy
It was a more honest time. An age when men were held accountable. There was no hiding behind the chimera of delusion. People knew where a man stood and all could see what he was made of.
The honor of that era has given way to the fatuous deceit of enveloping cloth. Mendacity rules where integrity once reigned. A man’s word as his bond was unnecessary for it was self-evident whether a man possessed “The Right Stuff.”
But that candor has evaporated into the gauzy electronic mist of a world dominated by ethereal posers and pretenders. Gossamer promise yielding to crushing despair as the disingenuity of false packaging is ultimately exposed.
No, Ziggy, it was a better time. A more honest world.
(http://online.wsj.com/media/mayWSJmag_TWWW_Not.jpg)
(http://serenescribe.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/frankie-avalon.jpg)
(http://artandseek.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bw_popup2.jpg)
(http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8050/8148806515_e32ebe4d53.jpg)
(http://www.cefashion.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/394823Muscular-Man-Wearing-Tight-Denim-Shorts-and-Vest-Posters-224x300.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/fejaci.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7313968360_6fbf346dd4.jpg)
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I want Henry Ellenson. Athletic, Nose for the ball, Plays hard. Plus 6-9. Just because he's from up north doesn't mean he can't play. Stone or Ellenson-------EASY ELLENSON.
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WOW! Great photos Keefe. Which one is you?
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He ain't coming.
How do you know this
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remember when I said we would get Diamond Stone and everyone hated on me?
So Diamond stone is reclassifying as 2016? When is he making his revised, revised, revised announcement?
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Who is the topless old hag in the jorts in the 4th picture from the top?
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Who is the topless old hag in the jorts in the 4th picture from the top?
Keefe's first CO. The one who made him a man. ;D
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WOW! Great photos Keefe. Which one is you?
This was me singing at The Mugrack back in the day
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This was me singing at The Mugrack back in the day
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/c4/7f/c9/c47fc9d47a32b5274a889757888480de.jpg)
I remember that concert. Wasn't too thrilled when you stripped down to the leopard print thong, though....
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I remember that concert. Wasn't too thrilled when you stripped down to the leopard print thong, though....
You're mixing things up. You're thinking of the time Jim Schade brought the Solid Gold dancers to The Mugrack
(http://unofficialsolidgoldwebsite.com/images/grp85a.jpg)
BTW, the two dudes are Terry Reason in his Jheri Curl period and Chico in his Pre-Tom Crean Manlove phase
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Another Crystal ball prediction for Marquette tonight.
Meyer said Saturday he had solid sources for both Stone to MU and Ellenson to UW
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Another Crystal ball prediction for Marquette tonight.
Meyer said Saturday he had solid sources for both Stone to MU and Ellenson to UW
Where do you see that?
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I'm not sure how to attach a screnshot from my phone but check his posts from Friday. In response to someone with the handle @markkahnwi.
Also, Stone reteweeted 3 things related to Fischer and the predictions to MU. But I don't put much stock into that.
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Jerry Meyer has a pretty damn good track record when it comes to predictions, so hopefully he is right again. The thing I don't like is Meyer made his prediction a day or two before Fischer announced he was transferring to MU.
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I'm not sure how to attach a screnshot from my phone but check his posts from Friday. In response to someone with the handle @markkahnwi.
Also, Stone reteweeted 3 things related to Fischer and the predictions to MU. But I don't put much stock into that.
I see the tweets from Meyer you are talking about, the guy asked "Saw that you predicted Ellenson to UW and Stone to MU yesterday. Educated guess or solid sources on these?"
To which Meyer replied, "both"
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Bucky looks like they are about to land a 4 star 7 footer named Josh Sharma, which could help us with Ellenson/Stone.
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Bucky looks like they are about to land a 4 star 7 footer named Josh Sharma, which could help us with Ellenson/Stone.
Sharma looks to be a skilled player.
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I see the tweets from Meyer you are talking about, the guy asked "Saw that you predicted Ellenson to UW and Stone to MU yesterday. Educated guess or solid sources on these?"
To which Meyer replied, "both"
Hopefully this works. And hopefully Meyer is right...
https://twitter.com/jerrymeyer247/status/419534011787010048
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Did anyone else find this collection borderline disturbing? ;D
Ziggy
It was a more honest time. An age when men were held accountable. There was no hiding behind the chimera of delusion. People knew where a man stood and all could see what he was made of.
The honor of that era has given way to the fatuous deceit of enveloping cloth. Mendacity rules where integrity once reigned. A man’s word as his bond was unnecessary for it was self-evident whether a man possessed “The Right Stuff.”
But that candor has evaporated into the gauzy electronic mist of a world dominated by ethereal posers and pretenders. Gossamer promise yielding to crushing despair as the disingenuity of false packaging is ultimately exposed.
No, Ziggy, it was a better time. A more honest world.
(http://online.wsj.com/media/mayWSJmag_TWWW_Not.jpg)
(http://serenescribe.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/frankie-avalon.jpg)
(http://artandseek.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/bw_popup2.jpg)
(http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8050/8148806515_e32ebe4d53.jpg)
(http://www.cefashion.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/394823Muscular-Man-Wearing-Tight-Denim-Shorts-and-Vest-Posters-224x300.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/fejaci.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7313968360_6fbf346dd4.jpg)
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According to Zagsblog Diamond is visiting SMU there for game against Connecticut
Stone's older sister lives in the Dallas area. I am sure he just worked in an unofficial to SMU as part of a trip to see her.
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Stone's older sister lives in the Dallas area. I am sure he just worked in an unofficial to SMU as part of a trip to see her.
SMU17 says it's a done deal, Stone to SMU.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8147/7313968360_6fbf346dd4.jpg)
The guys were just "passing by" this part of the beach since it was just so crowded.
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Good lord. Is there a way to prevent images on scoop so I can see it at work?
Oddly enough, I thought I had this fixed already.
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Good lord. Is there a way to prevent images on scoop so I can see it at work?
Oddly enough, I thought I had this fixed already.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=41323.0
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Three more predictions for Stone to MU today. 6 for MU, 1 for UW, 1 for UNC. Last 5 have been for MU
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Glad he doesn't get Fox sports net at home.
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Three more predictions for Stone to MU today. 6 for MU, 1 for UW, 1 for UNC. Last 5 have been for MU
Looks like the Dookie insiders have gotten some information.
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If he wants a shot at a natty with his best friend and a Wisconsin HS all-star team while his parents can go to every home game with ease, the choice is clear. Hope he sees the appeal.
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Bucky looks like they are about to land a 4 star 7 footer named Josh Sharma, which could help us with Ellenson/Stone.
If Sharma scares Ellenson, why wouldn't Luke Fischer do the same?
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Three more predictions for Stone to MU today. 6 for MU, 1 for UW, 1 for UNC. Last 5 have been for MU
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What's weird is that it seems all the blue bloods and 'next tier programs' are after Cheick Diallo.
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It's way early. But I love the trend. Come on down Mr. Stone. Marquette nation needs you!
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If he wants a shot at a natty with his best friend and a Wisconsin HS all-star team while his parents can go to every home game with ease, the choice is clear. Hope he sees the appeal.
Milwaukee's Best, not Natty Light.
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Is EricTheDouche over on Buckyville still claiming inside knowledge that Stone is not coming to Marquette?
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Looks like the Dookie insiders have gotten some information.
Meyer and Slater (both of whom are predicting MU) are #1 and #2 respectively in 2014 predictions by a pretty wide margin over Flinn at #3 (who happens to be the lone predictor for Becky). The rest of the pack looks like they're just throwing darts at a wall.
Incidentally, Flinn and Meyer made their current predictions on the same day - Jan 3... two days before Fischer; so both were presumably acting more upon their intuition rather than their "sources." However, it should be noted that Meyer correctly predicted all five in MU's 2014 class... and with exception of Pierce, was the first one to predict the other four to MU well in advance of their respective announcements.
If Flinn flips anytime in the next couple days, I think we can celebrate; otherwise, I'll merely consider this a reason for early, but cautious, optimism.
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Meyer and Slater (both of whom are predicting MU) are #1 and #2 respectively in 2014 predictions by a pretty wide margin over Flinn at #3 (who happens to be the lone predictor for Becky). The rest of the pack looks like they're just throwing darts at a wall.
Incidentally, Flinn and Meyer made their current predictions on the same day - Jan 3... two days before Fischer; so both were presumably acting more upon their intuition rather than their "sources." However, it should be noted that Meyer correctly predicted all five in MU's 2014 class... and with exception of Pierce, was the first one to predict the other four to MU well in advance of their respective announcements.
If Flinn flips anytime in the next couple days, I think we can celebrate; otherwise, I'll merely consider this a reason for early, but cautious, optimism.
link?
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Milwaukee's Best, not Natty Light.
Memorial Stadium. The O's. And Natty Boh.
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I assume this is a fall commitment by Stone to whatever team he chooses.
Any reason to believe that he will commit earlier?
If it is MU, it sure would be nice to get an early commit, as it would be a great recruiting tool to add another player.
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link?
Rankings: http://247sports.com/Season/2014-Basketball/ExpertRankings
Stone Predictions: http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Diamond-Stone-at-Dominican-32128/Predictions
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I assume this is a fall commitment by Stone to whatever team he chooses.
Any reason to believe that he will commit earlier?
If it is MU, it sure would be nice to get an early commit, as it would be a great recruiting tool to add another player.
Good point.
Moreover, the earlier his commitment, the more resources we can expend recruiting others, ie, instead of going to watch stone play, the coaching staff can watch a potential recruit.
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Milwaukee's Best, not Natty Light.
Love me some Natty Light. But I do agree with some previous posters that it will be a fall commitment and signing.
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We're up to 7 predictions for MU. Love having Gravett and Meyer on our side. The rest are Kentucky and Duke Insiders. Those make me optimistic as well because if there are any two programs that could sweep up a recruit in a heartbeat.
Did Stone have a visit to Duke recently? I'm trying to figure out why four Duke Insiders would call him for Marquette within days of each other.
Still, won't celebrate until an announcement is made
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We're up to 7 predictions for MU. Love having Gravett and Meyer on our side. The rest are Kentucky and Duke Insiders. Those make me optimistic as well because if there are any two programs that could sweep up a recruit in a heartbeat.
Did Stone have a visit to Duke recently? I'm trying to figure out why four Duke Insiders would call him for Marquette within days of each other.
Still, won't celebrate until an announcement is made
I would say there's a 50% chance that the other Duke "insiders" are just riding Slater's coattails and a 50% chance that they actually know/heard something down in Durham.
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Good point.
Moreover, the earlier his commitment, the more resources we can expend recruiting others, ie, instead of going to watch stone play, the coaching staff can watch a potential recruit.
Coaches do spend a lot of time going to see players that have already committed, but it would free resources a bit.
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I would welcome Mr. Stone. The minutes shakeout and affect down-roster from his arrival will be interesting to watch. Is he truly a one-and-done? Or a 2-and-done? Would his presence require Buzz to keep two bigs on the floor at the same time? If so, are either talented enough to play around the foul line in Buzz's offense? What then do you do with the plethora of switchables? Good problems to have.
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I would welcome Mr. Stone. The minutes shakeout and affect down-roster from his arrival will be interesting to watch. Is he truly a one-and-done? Or a 2-and-done? Would his presence require Buzz to keep two bigs on the floor at the same time? If so, are either talented enough to play around the foul line in Buzz's offense? What then do you do with the plethora of switchables? Good problems to have.
Fischer seems to be a good passer from the high post, and Taylor is too. Would be a very good problem to have indeed.
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My question is whether DS would be happy with the PT he'd get as a freshman under Buzz's system. PT is assigned based on toughness, consistency in practice.... not ceiling or starts coming out of HS.
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Tower I think your question is very valid. It seems like anytime a big man is in the top 10 players in the nation people immediately assume 1 and done. However based on the stats DS has put up in games I've followed (the Germantown game for instance) its not like he has been totally unstoppable. I would think that if a guy was a can't miss top draft choice for the NBA he would be unstoppable in High School. He certainly has the potential but maybe he will need several years in college to really build into that top draft choice.
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If Flinn flips anytime in the next couple days, I think we can celebrate; otherwise, I'll merely consider this a reason for early, but cautious, optimism.
Even then I would hold off. There is still a ways to go in recruiting Stone and a lot could change, especially if the big time programs come in and really step up their effort.
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My question is whether DS would be happy with the PT he'd get as a freshman under Buzz's system. PT is assigned based on toughness, consistency in practice.... not ceiling or starts coming out of HS.
If you're good enough, you'll play. Junior wasn't a good practice player. Gardner is not a good practice player. No problems seeing the floor for those two.
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I would welcome Mr. Stone. The minutes shakeout and affect down-roster from his arrival will be interesting to watch. Is he truly a one-and-done? Or a 2-and-done? Would his presence require Buzz to keep two bigs on the floor at the same time? If so, are either talented enough to play around the foul line in Buzz's offense? What then do you do with the plethora of switchables? Good problems to have.
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Good problem indeed!! I think Taylor, Fischer, and Ellenson are all capable of playing away from the basket part of the time. Stone, I think, would pretty much be low post all of the time.
Who knows on the one-and-done? Depends more on where he is projected in the draft than everything he does on the floor.
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Where do they get their predictions from? Are these just wild guesses, or is there some methodology they use?
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Meyer has been right 76% of the time for 2014 recruits and has hit 10 out of 11 so far in 2015.
Either he has sources or he is a really good "wild guesser".....
He also was the first guy to predict JJJ to MU when others thought he was staying closer to home....
Where do they get their predictions from? Are these just wild guesses, or is there some methodology they use?
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Ds is a solid MU lean...LK commitment only helped. If Buzz is here..DS will be a warrior. And I expect Buzz to be here.
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Ds is a solid MU lean...LK commitment only helped. If Buzz is here..DS will be a warrior. And I expect Buzz to be here.
Who is LK? Luke Fischer?
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When BigDaddy talks, people listen.
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Ds is a solid MU lean...LK commitment only helped. If Buzz is here..DS will be a warrior. And I expect Buzz to be here.
Thank you for your thoughts.
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Who is LK? Luke Fischer?
Bad typing LK is LF yes Luke Fischer
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Bad typing LK is LF yes Luke Fischer
I was almost really excited we had another commit that hadnt announced yet. I was furiously searching ESPN top 60 for players with the initials LK.
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Big Daddy rocks.
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Ds is a solid MU lean...LK commitment only helped. If Buzz is here..DS will be a warrior. And I expect Buzz to be here.
Thanks for the update. Appreciate the info.
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When BigDaddy talks, people listen.
Unfortunately, he doesn't speak often enough. But I'm cool with that.
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Thanks for the update. Appreciate the info.
teal?
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Unfortunately, he doesn't speak often enough. But I'm cool with that.
He chooses his spots to speak, which I appreciate. Glad to hear the latest words of BD.
If he chooses to speak again, can he give us a time frame for a commitment, if there is one.
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He chooses his spots to speak, which I appreciate. Glad to hear the latest words of BD.
If he chooses to speak again, can he give us a time frame for a commitment, if there is one.
Big Daddy is our Yoda.
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teal?
TEAL?
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Big Daddy is our Yoda.
NM
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Meyer has been right 76% of the time for 2014 recruits and has hit 10 out of 11 so far in 2015.
Either he has sources or he is a really good "wild guesser".....
He also was the first guy to predict JJJ to MU when others thought he was staying closer to home....
Obviously he must have pretty good sources, and for the rest he must be a pretty good guesser.
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Ds is a solid MU lean...LK commitment only helped. If Buzz is here..DS will be a warrior. And I expect Buzz to be here.
Big Daddy speaking is like Frank THomas hitting. When it happens, people stop and take note of it.
Thanks BD.
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Diamond and family are in da house for the Nova game. Papa Stone is sportin' pink. Hopefully we can be +8 or better for them this second half. Maybe guard the 3 point line could be a startin' point for that.
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Diamond and family are in da house for the Nova game. Papa Stone is sportin' pink. Hopefully we can be +8 or better for them this second half. Maybe guard the 3 point line could be a startin' point for that.
Glad Davante put on a show
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Ds is a solid MU lean...LK commitment only helped. If Buzz is here..DS will be a warrior. And I expect Buzz to be here.
In before the lock!
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24/7 indicates that Diamond is warm on four schools, Duke, Marquette, UCLA and Wisconsin. What I like about the predictions is three of the last four have come from recruiting analysts that specialize in Duke recruiting, and Duke is one of the four schools....
The only North Carolina prediction came from a NC recruiting guy. Back in early December.
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Not questioning Big Daddy...just curious...
has he called other commits for MU before?
Love what I'm hearing, thanks for the info
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Big Daddy knows his stuff. He's been spot on several times in the past. I trust his info above everyone else on Scoop.
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Big Daddy knows his stuff. He's been spot on several times in the past. I trust his info above everyone else on Scoop.
"BigDaddy"... seems a strange username for Buzz to choose for himself.
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I always refuse to get optimistic about this sort of stuff but Duane's redshirt and the fact that watching him in warmups makes you think he could play leads me to hoping he just wanted to be with Diamond for 4 years. I really really hope this guy comes to MU. I am starting to get optimistic
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I always refuse to get optimistic about this sort of stuff but Duane's redshirt and the fact that watching him in warmups makes you think he could play leads me to hoping he just wanted to be with Diamond for 4 years. I really really hope this guy comes to MU. I am starting to get optimistic
Doubt Diamond would be here for more than 2 years in the first place, but even with the redshirt Duane would only get three years max if Stone came and exhausted his eligibility.
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I always refuse to get optimistic about this sort of stuff but Duane's redshirt and the fact that watching him in warmups makes you think he could play leads me to hoping he just wanted to be with Diamond for 4 years. I really really hope this guy comes to MU. I am starting to get optimistic
Sounds good. Hope it comes about.
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Duane's redshirt had nothing to do with Stone. He was injured..missed a bunch of time. He wanted to play but knew he was so far behind that this would be a wasted year...... so he agreed to redshirt....I'm sure he wishes he could be out there but now will have 4 full years to play instead of wasting a half a year of playing spot minutes as a frosh....
I always refuse to get optimistic about this sort of stuff but Duane's redshirt and the fact that watching him in warmups makes you think he could play leads me to hoping he just wanted to be with Diamond for 4 years. I really really hope this guy comes to MU. I am starting to get optimistic
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Doubt Duane's redshirt has anything to do with Stone.
If you aren't sure about BigDaddy, just check his posting history. He doesn't post often, but when he does, he is right. Someone with definite insider information.
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No offense to BD but in reviewing hie recent posts he has had a few things wrong. From Wilson being ready for UW game to the starting lineup for the season. He knows some stuff but not sure if he is my guru on here.
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Doubt Duane's redshirt has anything to do with Stone.
I'm on record with posting a few AAU conversations last summer where I had heard Diamond was looking forward to being "the man" at Domincan and getting out from Duane's shadow. I haven't heard much since, but it got me thinking that maybe with Dominican's embarrassing struggles against real competition this year, Diamond is missing Duane's talents far more than he ever imagined. The Germantown/Dominican game was so beyond brutal. Diamond had virtually no help at all and the beating never stopped. When he had Taylor and Wilson a few years back, they could compete with anyone. I'm hoping a reunion is in the cards.
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Doubt Duane's redshirt has anything to do with Stone.
If you aren't sure about BigDaddy, just check his posting history. He doesn't post often, but when he does, he is right. Someone with definite insider information.
I hope he is right, though I did check his posting history and he said Duane would be cleared to play by the Wisco game and probably play by IUPUI.
Also said Nunn was a solid MU lean.
Definitely has great info, but no one is right all the time.....though some of us are clearly ahead of our time. ;)
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No offense to BD but in reviewing hie recent posts he has had a few things wrong. From Wilson being ready for UW game to the starting lineup for the season. He knows some stuff but not sure if he is my guru on here.
There are a lot of people who know things who say that this recruitment is still way up in the air.
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There are a lot of people who know things who say that this recruitment is still way up in the air.
They're just talking about Stone's vertical.
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Let's just say Looney commited to UCLA.
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Let's just say Looney commited to UCLA.
Ha ha!!! "Looney" "committed" and "UCLA" all in the same sentence. That's comedy gold right there.
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Sultan
With any Jr in high school the recruitment process is always up in the air. Until the kid signs and shows up the process up in the air IMO. We were all jacked about our JUCO get last spring and he signed, showed up and still never played.
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Sultan
With any Jr in high school the recruitment process is always up in the air. Until the kid signs and shows up the process up in the air IMO. We were all jacked about our JUCO get last spring and he signed, showed up and still never played.
I know that. But people seem to be talking themselves into being optimistic about Stone given what Big Daddy is saying, but there still is a long way to go.
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I know that. But people seem to be talking themselves into being optimistic about Stone given what Big Daddy is saying, but there still is a long way to go.
Not just big Daddy ... All the predictions on crystal ball too.
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Not just big Daddy ... All the predictions on crystal ball too.
When people closer to Wisconsin-based HS recruiting start making their predictions for MU, I will feel much better about things.
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I hope he is right, though I did check his posting history and he said Duane would be cleared to play by the Wisco game and probably play by IUPUI.
Also said Nunn was a solid MU lean.
To be fair, those things were both true at one point.
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To be fair, those things were both true at one point.
I'm the youngest person in the world!
(Not true anymore, but at one point it was)
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I'm the youngest person in the world!
(Not true anymore, but at one point it was)
Everyone wants "inside info" on this board, but goes after those who have it. If BD was told Nunn was an MU lean and shared it, looking back now and saying he was wrong isn't fair. Nunn was an MU lean. Things changed, as they usually do in recruiting.
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To be fair, those things were both true at one point.
That's my point as well, what is true today may not be true tomorrow. Or in other words, a "lean" by Stone to MU (if it is even true) doesn't mean a whole lot because things can change. Doesn't really matter until the line that is dotted is signed. I realize people get super excited about this stuff, but how is this "lean" any different or solid than the Nunn "lean"? You get the idea.
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Doesn't really matter until the line that is dotted is signed. I realize people get super excited about this stuff, but how is this "lean" any different or solid than the Nunn "lean"? You get the idea.
For sure, we agree on that. My point was that it wasn't fair for anyone to say "he has had a few things wrong," and doubt his info because the situation changed.
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For sure, we agree on that. My point was that it wasn't fair for anyone to say "he has had a few things wrong," and doubt his info because the situation changed.
Fair enough
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When people closer to Wisconsin-based HS recruiting start making their predictions for MU, I will feel much better about things.
Agreed. Though I do I like having Jerry Meyer and Matt Gravett on our side.
Still a long way to go, but I like that we appear to be ahead in the race.
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Everyone wants "inside info" on this board, but goes after those who have it. If BD was told Nunn was an MU lean and shared it, looking back now and saying he was wrong isn't fair. Nunn was an MU lean. Things changed, as they usually do in recruiting.
What we learned from the Nunn situation is to make sure that we tweet all day and every day to Stone so he is convinced that he is wanted. That is how Illinois got Nunn
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Another crystal ball pick for the good guys. This time from a kentucky writer
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Another crystal ball pick for the good guys. This time from a kentucky writer
Don't think his prediction holds much value. But nice to see nonetheless.
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Another crystal ball pick for the good guys. This time from a kentucky writer
That's the last seven in a row for MU, including all since 1-6-2014. While Looney didn't seem to have a consensus favorite this time last year, (as Forever points out) UCLA wasn't really on anyone's radar for Looney at this time last year, either.
This recruitment reminds me the most of the Nunn recruitment where MU seemed to be the favorite during the season with Nunn making games whenever he could, and commenting on liking MU's style of play. Of course, Kendrick never got around to actually committing, then Illinois got involved. Then again, Kendrick had the commit/uncommit thing with Texas A & M in his past, too.
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Has Stone visited/scheduled a visit?
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Speaking of recruiting, some of you may enjoy this article on the recruiting sites. Eric Winter, who runs Rivals.com worked with me for 5 years at DIRECTV. A funny guy, knows his stuff. Some interesting insights on the recruiting site wars and the question about whether they have jumped the shark or not.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/02/has_the_college_football_recru.html
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Has Stone visited/scheduled a visit?
To Marquette? He comes to a lot of games and has been on campus a number of times. (Same with Wisconsin.)
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Has Stone visited/scheduled a visit?
Stone has been to tons of games. Came to a ton with Duane last year, and I know he was at the Villanova game 10 days ago (Davante went off, great crowd and exciting end to regulation despite the loss). With the guards, wings, and PF play that would hypothetically surround him, I think he knows he has a great option right down the road if he wants it. Hope he does.
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To Marquette? He comes to a lot of games and has been on campus a number of times. (Same with Wisconsin.)
I guess I meant an official visit, like, toured all the facilities, sit in on a practice, spent a night in a dorm, shadow a class, etc. etc.
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I guess I meant an official visit, like, toured all the facilities, sit in on a practice, spent a night in a dorm, shadow a class, etc. etc.
I don't think he became eligible to do this until this semester. (Spring semester of his junior year.) I don't think he has gone on any official visits yet.
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I don't think he became eligible to do this until this semester. (Spring semester of his junior year.) I don't think he has gone on any official visits yet.
probably wouldn't waste an official to MU anyway. Or UW.
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D Stone has been to the BC so much the last few years he could provide a tour to anyone who asked.
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Speaking of recruiting, some of you may enjoy this article on the recruiting sites. Eric Winter, who runs Rivals.com worked with me for 5 years at DIRECTV. A funny guy, knows his stuff. Some interesting insights on the recruiting site wars and the question about whether they have jumped the shark or not.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/02/has_the_college_football_recru.html
I definitely did. Thanks for posting the link.
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D Stone has been to the BC so much the last few years he could provide a tour to anyone who asked.
If he has been there a lot, that certainly cannot hurt our chances. And aside from theOSU game, we have played pretty well at home.
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Speaking of recruiting, some of you may enjoy this article on the recruiting sites. Eric Winter, who runs Rivals.com worked with me for 5 years at DIRECTV. A funny guy, knows his stuff. Some interesting insights on the recruiting site wars and the question about whether they have jumped the shark or not.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/02/has_the_college_football_recru.html
Can you tell us all how cool he is? please please please.
I hope to God you had beers with him in your back yard, there has got to be some stories for the ages that came from that. please please tell us you had a beer in the back yard with him. Was payton Manning there too?
Crosses fingers.
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Can you tell us all how cool he is? please please please.
I hope to God you had beers with him in your back yard, there has got to be some stories for the ages that came from that. please please tell us you had a beer in the back yard with him. Was payton Manning there too?
Crosses fingers.
LOL!!!
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Can you tell us all how cool he is? please please please.
I hope to God you had beers with him in your back yard, there has got to be some stories for the ages that came from that. please please tell us you had a beer in the back yard with him. Was payton Manning there too?
Crosses fingers.
River rat - maybe you could give us some insight on what your friends have to say ::) That would really be a funny post.
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Speaking of recruiting, some of you may enjoy this article on the recruiting sites. Eric Winter, who runs Rivals.com worked with me for 5 years at DIRECTV. A funny guy, knows his stuff. Some interesting insights on the recruiting site wars and the question about whether they have jumped the shark or not.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/02/has_the_college_football_recru.html
Interesting read. Thx for posting.
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247sports just posted another Stone prediction this morning... Chad Lykins of Duke's BlueDevilLair picked Marquette. Let's hope this holds... Stone would be a great centerpiece to a talented squad.
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That's four Duke experts picking Marquette, along with two Kentucky experts. It looks like the competition thinks he's a definite MU lean. Of course, a lean ain't a commit, as UCLA showed with Looney. However, it does give me some confidence regarding teams that have been in the hunt since the start along with MU.
Ellenson and Stone were probably miffed that Bo was in his team's locker room after the game they attended rather than being in his office waiting for them to run on down to see him.
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A few tidbits from Paul Biancardi asnswering a twitter question:
Douglas @billdouger3
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@PaulBiancardi who is a better fit for UW stone or ellenson? Who is more likely to stay in state?
The simple and best answer for the first question is: both. They are each outstanding big men in the Class of 2015.
Henry Ellenson is a strong and skilled post player with excellent shooting range and plenty of upside. The Badgers have been on him and are making him a priority. He was in attendance at the Kohl Center when Wisconsin recently beat Michigan State.
Diamond Stone is in the Badgers' back yard and his name has been on our boards since his freshman season. He is a legit 6-foot-10 post who has the skill to face the basket with post moves. That's rare at such a young age. He still needs to learn how to give maximum effort all the time, however.
Both fit extremely well in Bo Ryan's system because the Wisconsin coach has been successful utilizing big men who face the basket.
I believe Stone has the better chance of staying in state. He has two outstanding options in Marquette and Wisconsin.
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Sounds like Jeff Potrykus wrote that article.
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Seems like he is retweeting a lot of mentions of him that are associated with the Badgers. We need to start tweeting him more. We don't want another Kendrick Nunn situation
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Seems like he is retweeting a lot of mentions of him that are associated with the Badgers. We need to start tweeting him more. We don't want another Kendrick Nunn situation
If it is truly between us and the Badgers, we have nothing to worry about. The only ones who think he is going there are there own fans.
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Stone can literally go anywhere. It's not a horse race between UW and MU. Understand that UK is in it and so is Steve Alford.
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All I am saying is that he seems to retweet badger references to him a lot? Also re-tweeted something about him and someone else being a package deal?
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All I am saying is that he seems to retweet badger references to him a lot? Also re-tweeted something about him and someone else being a package deal?
He retweets pretty much every positive reference to him. Nothing to see there.
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Stone can literally go anywhere. It's not a horse race between UW and MU. Understand that UK is in it and so is Steve Alford.
I think he will stay in state (hopefully marquette). Plus Kentucky has not even offered. The one school that really worries me is UNC.
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Just sayin'.
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I think he will stay in state (hopefully marquette). Plus Kentucky has not even offered. The one school that really worries me is UNC.
UK never offers right away. They don't need to. I fear UK more than anyone else in this race. I feel real strong that the only place Stone goes besides Marquette is UK.
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Just sayin'.
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UK never offers right away. They don't need to. I fear UK more than anyone else in this race. I feel real strong that the only place Stone goes besides Marquette is UK.
Only to get recruited over.
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Just sayin'.
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Only to get recruited over.
Don't think the #4 kid in his class is worried about being recruited over. Probably more worried about being NBA ready.
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Just sayin'.
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Just sayin'.
Any predictions on this one?
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Do know that Alford is recruitin' him intensely.
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Do know that Alford is recruitin' him intensely.
He'll have to really be blown away by his visit to Westwood for them to have a chance though, aina?
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Too early to tell, but you're right, it's happened before.
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Too early to tell, but you're right, it's happened before.
Just phuckin with ya ;)
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He'll have to really be blown away by his visit to Westwood for them to have a chance though, aina?
UCLA has the complete package. Our edge is Buzz.
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He'll have to really be blown away by his visit to Westwood for them to have a chance though, aina?
Not too hard to get blown away there.
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UCLA has the complete package. Our edge is Buzz.
UCLA's coach is a turd and a charlatan. Too bad one of the in-state guys fell for that prick already.
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UK never offers right away. They don't need to. I fear UK more than anyone else in this race. I feel real strong that the only place Stone goes besides Marquette is UK.
Two of the 24/7 guys predicting Marquette specialize in Kentucky recruiting.
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UCLA's coach is a turd and a charlatan. Too bad one of the in-state guys fell for that prick already.
The turd and charlatan speaks highly of you too, Sultan.
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Not too hard to get blown away there.
Back in the day, I'd love to have tried.
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Not too hard to get blown away there.
The only problem I had with it was it was a complete b!tch to get to and from campus. Takes FOREVER. Couldn't do that.
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Depends where you're comin' from, Bro. Pretty easy from Brentwood, Century City, or BH. Little tougher from Korea Town or Echo Park. Stick to the nice parts and its a breeze, hey?
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Not too hard to get blown away there.
Those UCLA hostesses will do anything, eh?
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Two of the 24/7 guys predicting Marquette specialize in Kentucky recruiting.
Which gives me hope. But Coach Cal is not afraid to recruit dirty. If he decides he wants Stone, he will offer him things that Buzz won't (and shouldn't).
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Stone is having an in-home visit with UConn staff on Monday, per Adam Finkelstein of ESPN.
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Alright Wojo!!
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Stone is having an in-home visit with UConn staff on Monday, per Adam Finkelstein of ESPN.
That in-home visit was yesterday
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That in-home visit was yesterday
Finkelstein doesnt know how to modify verbs then!
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Alright Wojo!!
Am I missing something?
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Am I missing something?
Wojo to UConn.
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Stone is having an in-home visit with UConn staff on Monday, per Adam Finkelstein of ESPN.
I stings me like a fissure in my ass to admit, but UConn is in prime position to land Stone.
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I stings me like a fissure in my ass to admit, but UConn is in prime position to land Stone.
But why male models?
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I stings me like a fissure in my ass to admit, but UConn is in prime position to land Stone.
Couldn't be more false.
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I stings me like a fissure in my ass to admit, but UConn is in prime position to land Stone.
Agree. Fresh off a championship, good coach, area just as cold as home. ;D
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Reports that Ucla visited also. Uconn is alive with everyone else
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Alright Wojo!!
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Need a reboot on your sarcasm detector, or just require teal?! Pretty sure it was a sarcastic comment...
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Am I missing something?
Evidently, three weeks should be sufficient for a new coach to lock up a top 10 local talent.
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Why UCLA? Spend a weekend there and get back to me.
If I received an offer from them, it would take me about one second to say yes.
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Alright Wojo!!
Can't believe Wojo hasn't gotten a commitment from Stone and Ellenson by now.
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Alright Wojo!!
How could Wojo allowed that visit!?
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Finkelstein doesnt know how to modify verbs then!
Einhorn is Finkelstein!
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(http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes2/AceVenturaPetDectective15.jpg)
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Why UCLA? Spend a weekend there and get back to me.
If I received an offer from them, it would take me about one second to say yes.
Why because it does not snow in the winter?
If so, why does Michigan State, Uconn, Syracuse etc even have programs? They are craphole towns buried in snow during the winter.
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Why because it does not snow in the winter?
If so, why does Michigan State, Uconn, Syracuse etc even have programs? They are craphole towns buried in snow during the winter.
UCLA is a superb academic institution. The weather and coeds are icing.
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Stone is having an in-home visit with UConn staff on Monday, per Adam Finkelstein of ESPN.
So what? He will have in-homes with all the bluebloods over the next 6 months.
I heard from a good source that this happens with all the top guys :-\
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Couldn't be more false.
Let me try this:
Lee Harvey didn't shoot Kennedy
9/11 was a U.S. government-led conspiracy...as well as Pearl Harbor
Bill Clinton was in fact faithful.
Yes, yes, unsubstantiated conclusive statements are fun!!! Thanks for showing me the light.
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Let me try this:
Bill Clinton was in fact faithful.
To himself, yes.
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So what? He will have in-homes with all the bluebloods over the next 6 months.
I heard from a good source that this happens with all the top guys :-\
I'm the source, I'm the source!
UConn's sales pitch:
"We won the freaking National Championship without a big man. Not a one! Just think how far we'll go with you on the team!"
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Why because it does not snow in the winter?
If so, why does Michigan State, Uconn, Syracuse etc even have programs? They are craphole towns buried in snow during the winter.
Gee, where do I start?
Let's begin with an unrivaled history...fantastic academics...BCS power conference...amazing campus...beautiful girls...and yes, the weather ain't bad either.
Bottom line: UCLA brings a ton to the table and I think Looney had the right idea.
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Kevon Looney Diamond Stone turned down some outstanding college coaches in order to play at UCLA." ---Mark Miller
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What about the earthquakes? Someone should remind Mr. Stone of the earthquakes!
Big problem! Huge!!
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Yeah! 5 seconds of shaking trumps 6 months of grey clouds and freezing temperatures
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Yeah! 5 seconds of shaking trumps 6 months of grey clouds and freezing temperatures
What if your Mug Rack mug was on the shelf?
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Mark Miller tweet:
@WisBBYearbook: Marquette coaches met with Dominican junior Diamond Stone today. Stone is a 6'10" PF/C and ranked among top 5 in nation in 2015.
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Gee, where do I start?
Let's begin with an unrivaled history...fantastic academics...BCS power conference...amazing campus...beautiful girls...and yes, the weather ain't bad either.
Bottom line: UCLA brings a ton to the table and I think Looney had the right idea.
You forgot the new cars from boosters.
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You forgot the new cars from boosters.
And rapist defending coaches.
Which is much worse than sexual assault covering up coaches, I suppose.
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Mark Miller tweet:
@WisBBYearbook: Marquette coaches met with Dominican junior Diamond Stone today. Stone is a 6'10" PF/C and ranked among top 5 in nation in
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Why UCLA? Spend a weekend there and get back to me.
If I received an offer from them, it would take me about one second to say yes.
Bruinscoop just offered you a 'ship. Enjoy your stay, may it be a long one.
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Gee, where do I start?
Let's begin with an unrivaled history...fantastic academics...BCS power conference...amazing campus...beautiful girls...and yes, the weather ain't bad either.
Bottom line: UCLA brings a ton to the table and I think Looney had the right idea.
Yes but UCLA has something that offsets all that, and maybe more .... Steve Alford.
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UCLA will be a major playa in his recruitment
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UCLA will be a major playa in his recruitment
"Will be"?
Has been for months.
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I wonder who posts, "We've cooled on him" first???
Perhaps we should all take a deep breath and let the coaching staff do what they do....
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all you midwesterners need to get off the pity train. UCLA is not for everyone, I grew up in santa monica, went to MU, still live in milwaukee, people do crazy stuff. also the coeds at UCLA are nothing special... unless you have a thing for asians, than any UC school is probably your bag
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all you midwesterners need to get off the pity train. UCLA is not for everyone, I grew up in santa monica, went to MU, still live in milwaukee, people do crazy stuff. also the coeds at UCLA are nothing special... unless you have a thing for asians, than any UC school is probably your bag
Thank you
I've been to westwood many times. It's a nice place, like 50 other major universities are nice places. It's a good academic school, like 50 other schools are. The weather is nice, and that is important to some, not so much to others. The girls are nice, like they are at lots of universities that have thousands to pick from.
Yes, UCLA is good school and good choice. But so is MU. Unless you suffer, like many here, from WI inferiority complex that anything Milwaukee must be second class.
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all you midwesterners need to get off the pity train. UCLA is not for everyone, I grew up in santa monica, went to MU, still live in milwaukee, people do crazy stuff. also the coeds at UCLA are nothing special... unless you have a thing for asians, than any UC school is probably your bag
Here's another thought... proportionately, there are just as many "fat chicks" at UCLA - or ASU, or UT, or Miami, or USC, etc. - as there are at MU... the difference is that the ones at MU aren't indoctrinated with the concept of their life not being worth living if they don't stick their finger down their throat after every meal.
Call it truth-in-advertising if you'd like, but if you marry your MU sweetheart, the chances of your wife going Kirstie Alley on you within 10 years will seem like a relative impossibility compared to the chances taken by those marrying their UCLA/ASU/UT sweetheart.
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I wonder who posts, "We've cooled on him" first???
Perhaps we should all take a deep breath and let the coaching staff do what they do....
Respect the Process.
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all you midwesterners need to get off the pity train. UCLA is not for everyone, I grew up in santa monica, went to MU, still live in milwaukee, people do crazy stuff. also the coeds at UCLA are nothing special... unless you have a thing for asians, than any UC school is probably your bag
Their girl parts run sideways.
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Their girl parts run sideways.
I think that is the general consensus yes
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Thank you
I've been to westwood many times. It's a nice place, like 50 other major universities are nice places. It's a good academic school, like 50 other schools are. The weather is nice, and that is important to some, not so much to others. The girls are nice, like they are at lots of universities that have thousands to pick from.
Yes, UCLA is good school and good choice. But so is MU. Unless you suffer, like many here, from WI inferiority complex that anything Milwaukee must be second class.
UCLA is an outstanding school, one of the MOST difficult public universities to get admitted too. In no way are Marquette and UCLA comparable academically. Take a look at the GPA and test scores required to have even a shot to get into UCLA. Stop fooling yourself.
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UCLA is an outstanding school, one of the MOST difficult public universities to get admitted too. In no way are Marquette and UCLA comparable academically. Take a look at the GPA and test scores required to have even a shot to get into UCLA. Stop fooling yourself.
The issue is why Stone would pick UCLA over MU. None of these arguments will play into that consideration. So, what is your point?
He's staying one year and going pro.
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UCLA is an outstanding school, one of the MOST difficult public universities to get admitted too. In no way are Marquette and UCLA comparable academically. Take a look at the GPA and test scores required to have even a shot to get into UCLA. Stop fooling yourself.
Comparing MU to UCLA academically is laughable.
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Comparing MU to UCLA academically is laughable.
Correct and no one brought it up ... so why did you?
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Here's another thought... proportionately, there are just as many "fat chicks" at UCLA - or ASU, or UT, or Miami, or USC, etc. - as there are at MU... the difference is that the ones at MU aren't indoctrinated with the concept of their life not being worth living if they don't stick their finger down their throat after every meal.
Call it truth-in-advertising if you'd like, but if you marry your MU sweetheart, the chances of your wife going Kirstie Alley on you within 10 years will seem like a relative impossibility compared to the chances taken by those marrying their UCLA/ASU/UT sweetheart.
If you're honestly telling me that MU girls remotely compare to those in the PAC-12...you are absolutely insane.
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plenty of good looking girls at MU, plenty in CA. you know what everyone of my friends from LA says the first time they are in a Milwaukee bar, "holy crap there's a lot of good looking white chicks."
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The issue is why Stone would pick UCLA over MU. None of these arguments will play into that consideration. So, what is your point?
He's staying one year and going pro.
The fact that you even ask that question is amazing. If academics don't matter to you, then walk into Pauley and look up. Enough said.
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The fact that you even ask that question is amazing. If academics don't matter to you, then walk into Pauley and look up. Enough said.
Huh?
Are you saying the US News school ranking plays into Diamond Stone's decision to go to a school for one-year to play basketball and then go pro for millions?
That is what we are talking about. Not sure what you're babbling about.
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If you're honestly telling me that MU girls remotely compare to those in the PAC-12...you are absolutely insane.
what if we don't like blondes or tans? Then Wisconsin girls might be looking a lot nicer.
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Comparing MU to UCLA academically is laughable.
Our Physical therapy program begs to differ! and our Nursing program is close enough that it is at least comparable!
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plenty of good looking girls at MU, plenty in CA. you know what everyone of my friends from LA says the first time they are in a Milwaukee bar, "holy crap there's a lot of good looking white chicks."
a lot of skinny brothers like chunky white women.
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what if we don't like blondes or tans? Then Wisconsin girls might be looking a lot nicer.
Wisconsin gals only look good after you've been in prison for about 10 years.
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Wisconsin gals only look good after you've been in prison for about 10 years.
That's probably true of the ones that would look at you.
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Wisconsin gals only look good after you've been in prison for about 10 years.
I can live with that. (now you have to wonder which one I'm talking about)
(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5208568e/turbine/la-la-et-uzo-aduba-02-c-jpg-20130811/600/600x366)
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The fact that you even ask that question is amazing. If academics don't matter to you, then walk into Pauley and look up. Enough said.
Academics matter to most college students...but not to most high major caliber players.
UCLA is a great academic school...but if the best academic schools won the most titles, then places like the Ivies, Northwestern, Duke, UVa, Vanderbilt, Stanford, etc would all be way ahead of UCLA.
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Huh?
Are you saying the US News school ranking plays into Diamond Stone's decision to go to a school for one-year to play basketball and then go pro for millions?
That is what we are talking about. Not sure what you're babbling about.
Let me dumb it down so you understand. Pauley is the on campus facility UCLA plays basketball in. By looking up you will see the most NCAA basketball banners in the country. Perhaps that might appeal to Mr Stone.
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That's probably true of the ones that would look at you.
Wow. That's pretty big talk. I can guarantee I've been with women you could never hope to be with.
Now get off the computer, you're mom need to use it.
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Let me dumb it down so you understand. Pauley is the on campus facility UCLA plays basketball in. By looking up you will see the most NCAA basketball banners in the country. Perhaps that might appeal to Mr Stone.
Ok, got it. That is a valid reason, even though most of those banners were won before Stone was born some before his father was born.
But for the record, you started this part of the discussion with:
UCLA is an outstanding school, one of the MOST difficult public universities to get admitted too. In no way are Marquette and UCLA comparable academically. Take a look at the GPA and test scores required to have even a shot to get into UCLA. Stop fooling yourself.
You wrote this in response to why Stone would chose UCLA suggesting you thought these criteria mattered to Diamond Stone's decision.
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Wow. That's pretty big talk. I can guarantee I've been with women you could never hope to be with.
Now get off the computer, you're mom need to use it.
Hahahahahhahaha, wonderful. Clever and original, but your "my mom needs the computer statement" either paints me as a little kid or as the basement dwelling anti-social dweeb that all message board posters are seen as. Either way it really hurts your super cool statement of how many women you've been with.
Between your criticizing the women of an entire state, and the bragging about the women you've been with... boy you must really really be ugly.
But anyhoo, you make weenies with your mama's toe jam, and you like it!
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Wow. That's pretty big talk. I can guarantee I've been with women you could never hope to be with.
Now get off the computer, you're mom need to use it.
Clearly not while you were at MU since your opinion of WI women is so poor.
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Clearly not while you were at MU since your opinion of WI women is so poor.
You're right. But I made up for lost time once I moved on to Chicago and then San Francisco.
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Wow. That's pretty big talk. I can guarantee I've been with women you could never hope to be with.
This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read, and there are some morons on this board.
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You're right. But I made up for lost time once I moved on to Chicago and then San Francisco.
Wow like tell me more tell me more.
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Sorry, done playing with you guys for a while. Gotta get back to my job. Hope some day you get one of those.
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Sorry, done playing with you guys for a while. Gotta get back to my job. Hope some day you get one of those.
Buuuuuuuuurn!!!!!!!!
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I cannot believe there are men in this world who would have this conversation in a public forum. It reads like a bad sitcom.
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Sorry, done playing with you guys for a while. Gotta get back to my job. Hope some day you get one of those.
What no more conversing of your sexual adventures? Maybe now you can brag to us about how successful you are in your job to!
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Another great one groin! Damn you're good.
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I cannot believe there are men in this world who would have this conversation in a public forum. It reads like a bad sitcom.
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I cannot believe there are men in this world who would have this conversation in a public forum. It reads like a bad sitcom.
yeah I'm just waiting to see his awesome penis cartoon sketches that he's crafted over the years as well.
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Wow. That's pretty big talk. I can guarantee I've been with women you could never hope to be with.
Now get off the computer, you're mom need to use it.
Now I understand the username!
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plenty of good looking girls at MU, plenty in CA. you know what everyone of my friends from LA says the first time they are in a Milwaukee bar, "holy crap there's a lot of good looking white chicks."
If you're not finding any hot "white chicks" in LA bars, I'm guessing there's only guys in the bar. Maybe you're hangin' out at the wrong places.
And you seem to be awful obsessed with "white". You are missing out big-time.
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Why is there all this garbage on here? Why not just talk basketball and not videos, pictures or comments not related to the topic or basketball in general?
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Ok, got it. That is a valid reason, even though most of those banners were won before Stone was born some before his father was born.
But for the record, you started this part of the discussion with:
UCLA is an outstanding school, one of the MOST difficult public universities to get admitted too. In no way are Marquette and UCLA comparable academically. Take a look at the GPA and test scores required to have even a shot to get into UCLA. Stop fooling yourself.
You wrote this in response to why Stone would chose UCLA suggesting you thought these criteria mattered to Diamond Stone's decision.
Chances are our only banner was won before you were born. So what?
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Why is there all this garbage on here? Why not just talk basketball and not videos, pictures or comments not related to the topic or basketball in general?
I too once spent a night in the company of a woman. Take that, scoopers
Back on track, didn't Wojo et al meet with Stone and his family this week?
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unless you have a thing for asians
WTF?
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If you're honestly telling me that MU girls remotely compare to those in the PAC-12...you are absolutely insane.
I married an MU girl. But I get your point.
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Academics matter to most college students...but not to most high major caliber players.
UCLA is a great academic school...but if the best academic schools won the most titles, then places like the Ivies, Northwestern, Duke, UVa, Vanderbilt, Stanford, etc would all be way ahead of UCLA.
??
(Just kidding)
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Why is there all this garbage on here? Why not just talk basketball and not videos, pictures or comments not related to the topic or basketball in general?
Sir, this is MUScoop.
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Why is there all this garbage on here? Why not just talk basketball and not videos, pictures or comments not related to the topic or basketball in general?
Relax. Respect the Process.
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This thread reads like something you'd overhear in a middle school cafeteria.
"Well I've had sex with a hundred girls. You don't know any of them, I met them at camp"
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Wow. That's pretty big talk. I can guarantee I've been with women you could never hope to be with.
Now get off the computer, you're mom need to use it.
If he never hopes to be with them, is he hoping this because they're ugly?
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This thread reads like something you'd overhear in a middle school cafeteria.
"Well I've had sex with a hundred girls. You don't know any of them, I met them at camp"
But was it band camp?
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I've realized after reading this board over the years (not posting often), that if I hit "ignore" on the right folks, I can keep the threads down to basketball topics. Thanks to the moderators for putting that in there!
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It is impressive how pathetic this place is sometimes.
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Hey is this thread still about Diamond Stone? Did anyone mention that Wojo met with him yesterday?
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I don't want to get personal, but if Groin Pull is a Marquette grad, he must have missed a lot of what the Jesuits have to say or simply rejected it. We must have very different world views of our fellow humans and respect for the opposite sex.
Maybe this thread can be put on the superbar or behind the bar, and a new thread on Diamond Stone can be started. This is just embarrassing.
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Unfortunately a lot of these topics these days are being hijacked with stupidity.
The Hangin' at the Al forum is turning into The Superbar Dumb forum with a lot of just plain childish posting behavior. Its a lot of work but posts in topics like this one should be cleaned up to get back on topic or just plain locked after it gets completely out of control.
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Hey is this thread still about Diamond Stone? Did anyone mention that Wojo met with him yesterday?
I did, but I also think most people have me on ignore
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I did, but I also think most people have me on ignore
You dont have 1,000 posts so they dont take you serious lol
Join the club!!
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Glad that Wojo met with the Diamond and the family Stone. Mods, any chance of you cleaning up this thread?
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Glad that Wojo met with the Diamond and the family Stone. Mods, any chance of you cleaning up this thread?
I think they would have to clean up 75% of the threads here. Is it any more annoying than the basketball threads ad nauseum about Derrick? Or the MikeDeanesDarkGlasses blitzkrieg?
There is plenty of good basketball info here. If you sat around at work with 4 or 5 guys and talked MU basketball, I think a lot of the banter would be off-topic pretty quickly just like here.
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I don't want to get personal, but if Groin Pull is a Marquette grad, he must have missed a lot of what the Jesuits have to say or simply rejected it. We must have very different world views of our fellow humans and respect for the opposite sex.
Maybe this thread can be put on the superbar or behind the bar, and a new thread on Diamond Stone can be started. This is just embarrassing.
You just did get personal
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You just did get personal
Hence the word "but."
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I did, but I also think most people have me on ignore
Who would have you on ignore, you have the all time greatest gif
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Who would have you on ignore, you have the all time greatest gif
agreed. Jake Barnes's GIFs make this place worth visiting.
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Wow. This thread went awry
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How come the ladies never brag here about their sexual appetites and conquests?
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How come the ladies never brag here about their sexual appetites and conquests?
LMAO...great observation....Ladies how come?
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Sorry for the post about Diamond Stone, but thought it was relevant.
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Dominican junior Diamond Stone, 6'10", took an unofficial visit to Marquette today. He's headed to Kansas City for AAU event this weekend.
Certainly not a bad thing getting to know Wojo. Seems like they've talked a lot in the last few days.
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Smoothie got all hot and bothered about some volleyball cat a while ago, aina?
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This just posted by me:
Spoke to a UCLA commit yesterday who was all smiles about the Bruins offerin' Stone. Just sayin'.
Same commit, while Wojo hasn't the lead recruiter for his services while at Duke, knows him and speaks highly of Steve.
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This just posted by me:
Spoke to a UCLA commit yesterday who was all smiles about the Bruins offerin' Stone. Just sayin'.
I get it! You're trying to charm all of us by getting back on topic.
Can't imagine who it would have been :-\
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Smoothie got all hot and bothered about some volleyball cat a while ago, aina?
Yeah. James Shaw the setter from Stanford.
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This just posted by me:
Spoke to a UCLA commit yesterday who was all smiles about the Bruins offerin' Stone. Just sayin'.
Same commit, while Wojo hasn't the lead recruiter for his services while at Duke, knows him and speaks highly of Steve.
So basically, Looney likes Stone and Wojo. Both will be working hard to recruit him.
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Having talent is one thing. Being good with that talent is another. There are many talented people, but a much smaller % who do good with that talent
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Marquette assistant Chris Carrawell in Kansas City watching Diamond Stone.
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Mark Miller @WisBBYearbook 37m
Marquette assistant Chris Carrawell in Kansas City watching Diamond Stone.
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Everybody seems to think Stone to MU is a real possibility. I would prefer to go after other guys, and if we get him, just be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!. I tend to think there are a lot of MU fans that will be really disappointed if we don't land him. The surprise will be if we do! I would put the odds at less than 1/2 of 1 percent. He will be like the typical local star who won't eliminate MU until the end. so the supply of game tickets does not dry up. Just my thoughts. I will bet my bottom dollar that he ends up at one of 5 schools. KY, Duke, UCLA, Kansas or North Carolina. Us MU fans want to believe he will come here, but with all the pressure, it's almost impossible for a top 10 guy to say no to one of those schools. We would be better of if he was a fringe top 50 - 75 guy.
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Everybody seems to think Stone to MU is a real possibility. I would prefer to go after other guys, and if we get him, just be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!. I tend to think there are a lot of MU fans that will be really disappointed if we don't land him. The surprise will be if we do! I would put the odds at less than 1/2 of 1 percent. He will be like the typical local star who won't eliminate MU until the end. so the supply of game tickets does not dry up. Just my thoughts. I will bet my bottom dollar that he ends up at one of 5 schools. KY, Duke, UCLA, Kansas or North Carolina. Us MU fans want to believe he will come here, but with all the pressure, it's almost impossible for a top 10 guy to say no to one of those schools. We would be better of if he was a fringe top 50 - 75 guy.
First, how did you come up with a 1/200 chance he's coming to MU? Before Brent left, 5 of 7 crystal ball recruiting experts were predicting Stone to MU? Why are you more knowledgeable than people that get paid to follow this stuff?
Is it because Brent left? Well if Brent was so important to Stone's decision, than what odds do you put on Stone going to VT? Also 1/200? If so, that means Brent was not that important. So again, why was he such a heavy lean to MU? Everyone has it wrong but you?
Oh, it's to get free tickets to the games? When did MU start regularly committing NCAA violations by handing out impermissible benefits to recruits (free tickets)? Wasn't Juan suspended for taking free Brewer playoffs tickets? Wasn't Monarch fired for offering a t-shirt and ride home to a recruit? Now you're arguing that we can shower Stone and his family with endless court-side seats and the NCAA finds this acceptable?
(Note whatever made rationalization you want to give about the ticket angle, I will guarantee you if Looney or Tokoto family called now, they would get the same.)
Instead what this is another example of the wI inferiority complex. I guess Milwaukee is an indian name "second rate or second class."
Reading your post, here is what you're saying .... Maybe MU should scrap the "be the difference" campaign and go with "Marquette, America's safety school." Where you go when all the good options are exhausted.
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Everybody seems to think Stone to MU is a real possibility. I would prefer to go after other guys, and if we get him, just be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!. I tend to think there are a lot of MU fans that will be really disappointed if we don't land him. The surprise will be if we do! I would put the odds at less than 1/2 of 1 percent. He will be like the typical local star who won't eliminate MU until the end. so the supply of game tickets does not dry up. Just my thoughts. I will bet my bottom dollar that he ends up at one of 5 schools. KY, Duke, UCLA, Kansas or North Carolina. Us MU fans want to believe he will come here, but with all the pressure, it's almost impossible for a top 10 guy to say no to one of those schools. We would be better of if he was a fringe top 50 - 75 guy.
More of the same of people who think we have no chance at Stone--low expectations for the program. With those type of standards set by fans and coaches, MU will continue to flounder at the 17-15 level with an occasional surprise year. I prefer to have the high expectations. no reason why we should not.
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Not all tickets are the same--DStone has sat behind the bench for several years. JPT also did as well. I don't know for sure, but doubt they pay for them. Either MU or boosters supplied them is my guess.
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Not all tickets are the same--DStone has sat behind the bench for several years. JPT also did as well. I don't know for sure, but doubt they pai for them. Either MU or boosters supplied them is my guess.
So boosters can legally give benefits to recruits? When did this become allowable? Because right now, this week, Calipari is complaining they cannot give NCAA tickets to players families. But booster showering tickets on recruits is allowable?
Try this, Stone's family paid for them. And they do because, maybe, they are MU fans (or college basketball fans in general) and like the idea of Diamond playing close to home.
Stop making up stuff.
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More of the same of people who think we have no chance at Stone--low expectations for the program. With those type of standards set by fans and coaches, MU will continue to flounder at the 17-15 level with an occasional surprise year. I prefer to have the high expectations. no reason why we should not.
We have been floundering at the 17-15 level with an occasional surprise year? Wow. News to me. And here I thought that last year was the exception and that prior to last year we had the 5th or 6th longest NCAA tournament appearance streak in the country. I am not sure what I must have been watching.
Stop being so melodramatic.
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At one point there was probably a 90% chance that Stone would wither play for MU or UW as he seemed to wanted to stay close to home. I of course do not really know, but my impression is that he is now more interested in playing elsewhere. I would say 30% UW/MU and 70% out of state. With Wojo I would say it is 20% MU and 10% UW. I think the longer he goes without committing to UW the more their chances shrink in getting Stone.
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So boosters can legally give benefits to recruits? When did this become allowable? Because right now, this week, Calipari is complaining they cannot give NCAA tickets to players families. But booster showering tickets on recruits is allowable?
Try this, Stone's family paid for them. And they do because, maybe, they are MU fans (or college basketball fans in general) and like the idea of Diamond playing close to home.
Stop making up stuff.
It must be coincidence that JPT'S tickets just happen to be the exact same seats as the ones the Stones use.
Assuming that neither family had any substantial points accrued, the cost for season tickets in this location would be astronomical.
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It must be coincidence that JPT'S tickets just happen to be the exact same seats as the ones the Stones use.
Assuming that neither family had any substantial points accrued, the cost for season tickets in this location would be astronomical.
No. they are $40/each, the face value. They bought them (repeat bought them) from the University at face value).
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I see now---you, me, John Q. Public and a highly ranked recruit all can just call up MU ticket office and purchase for $40/game..........directly behind the bench. I had no idea. I wonder if they are available for the UW game for face value cuz I'd like to sit there. I feel bad for those suckers directly aside to those tickets cuz that guy has been a season ticket holder for 50 years, he is an alum, his wife is an alum, he is MU Law, he is a letter winner, and he donates thousands of $ each year to the B/G fund in order to secure those seats.
And according to you he didn't have to do any of this---he could have made a phone call. Who knew it was that easy.
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I see now---you, me, John Q. Public and a highly ranked recruit all can just call up MU ticket office and purchase for $40/game..........directly behind the bench. I had no idea. I wonder if they are available for the UW game for face value cuz I'd like to sit there. I feel bad for those suckers directly aside to those tickets cuz that guy has been a season ticket holder for 50 years, he is an alum, his wife is an alum, he is MU Law, he is a letter winner, and he donates thousands of $ each year to the B/G fund in order to secure those seats.
And according to you he didn't have to do any of this---he could have made a phone call. Who knew it was that easy.
Yes, you can call the Athletic department and request the tickets for face value. I can too. Whether they sell them to you is another factor. For you, unless you donate enough or are a recruit, the answer is no. The Athletic office is free to sell those seats to whoever they want and they elect to sell them to Stone and his family.
Before we go off on a tangent, let's remember the context here. MUfan72 believes their is a 1/200 chance Stone picks MU and is only stringing us along so we give him free tickets for as long as possible. Of course, 72 is suggesting that MU is either stupid or desperate and they continually give him free tickets without realizing their stand no chance. NCAA rules do not allow impermissible benefits and free tickets are an impermissible benefit (except on an official visit ... which is part of the reason they have such a thing). What 72 suggests is not allowed.
If you believe that we can shower the Stone family with free tickets, answer this? Can Stone sell them? Can papa Stone give them to a boss or client at his work to gain an advantage? Can pap Stone take a boss or client to the game to gain an advantage? Why can we can drop free tickets on a recruits head but UW cannot give free tickets to Kamisky's family to watch their son play in Dallas in the final four (see Calipari's complaint about this). Why can we give free tickets to a recruit, but not a t-shirt and ride home (see Scott Monrach).
Fact is there are no free tickets. Its not allowed. Stone pays for them. That said, Stone ticket office is the athletic department. Your ticket office is the MU ticket department. The seats the athletic department decide to sell to Stone are different than the seats the MU ticket office sell to you.
You and Stone pay face value and the highest face value tickets MU has, I believe, are $40 each.
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Stone is a solid MU lean. From what I am hearing, if he had to make a decision this second, he would be a Warrior. However, the big guns (Calipari) haven't really started yet.
Stone is MU's to lose. Their biggest challenge will be when Kentucky comes a calling. Calipari is willing to offer things that Wojo can't/won't.
I forgot to add this originally but Respect the Process
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Stone is a solid MU lean. From what I am hearing, if he had to make a decision this second, he would be a Warrior. However, the big guns (Calipari) haven't really started yet.
Stone is MU's to lose. Their biggest challenge will be when Kentucky comes a calling. Calipari is willing to offer things that Wojo can't/won't.
Yeah, like truckloads of cash.
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Stone is a solid MU lean. From what I am hearing, if he had to make a decision this second, he would be a Warrior. However, the big guns (Calipari) haven't really started yet.
Stone is MU's to lose. Their biggest challenge will be when Kentucky comes a calling. Calipari is willing to offer things that Wojo can't/won't.
not so sure about that.
my understanding is that he still really is still up in the air.
(from someone thissssss close to the lad)
fwiw
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Fact is there are no free tickets. Its not allowed. Stone pays for them. That said, Stone ticket office is the athletic department. Your ticket office is the MU ticket department. The seats the athletic department decide to sell to Stone are different than the seats the MU ticket office sell to you.
You and Stone pay face value and the highest face value tickets MU has, I believe, are $40 each.
This is false.
A prospect can be given entry, along with two guests, to any school sporting event without limitation. (They aren't given tickets...but admitted as guests.)
These are considered unofficial visits so the prospect must pay to get to the arena.
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This is false.
A prospect can be given entry, along with two guests, to any school sporting event without limitation. (They aren't given tickets...but admitted as guests.)
These are considered unofficial visits so the prospect must pay to get to the arena.
Hasn't this been a big source of abuse and the NCAA cracked down? I thought they did. What is to prevent a recruit from selling those two "guest spots" for money? (the recruit still sits with them but nevertheless sold the seats to the highest bidder to make some money.)
And to be clear, Stone can get tickets for Free but Burton and Duane Wilson's family cannot (because you cannot give tickets to players).
And to be further clear, we can give them high value seats to premium games but not a ride or t-shirt?
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Hasn't this been a big source of abuse and the NCAA cracked down? I thought they did. What is to prevent a recruit from selling those two "guest spots" for money? (the recruit still sits with them but nevertheless sold the seats to the highest bidder to make some money.)
And to be clear, Stone can get tickets for Free but Burton and Duane Wilson's family cannot (because you cannot give tickets to players).
And to be further clear, we can give them high value seats to premium games but not a ride or t-shirt?
The players and family are admitted to games through a guest list. They aren't given tickets so they have nothing to sell.
I have no idea if tickets can be given to the family of players..so it is possible that the family of recruits can gain admission for free but not the family of players.
And yes you are correct. They can be given high value seats to premium games but not a ride or a t-shirt.
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Hasn't this been a big source of abuse and the NCAA cracked down? I thought they did. What is to prevent a recruit from selling those two "guest spots" for money? (the recruit still sits with them but nevertheless sold the seats to the highest bidder to make some money.)
And to be clear, Stone can get tickets for Free but Burton and Duane Wilson's family cannot (because you cannot give tickets to players).
And to be further clear, we can give them high value seats to premium games but not a ride or t-shirt?
They don't get tickets
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Hasn't this been a big source of abuse and the NCAA cracked down? I thought they did. What is to prevent a recruit from selling those two "guest spots" for money? (the recruit still sits with them but nevertheless sold the seats to the highest bidder to make some money.)
And to be clear, Stone can get tickets for Free but Burton and Duane Wilson's family cannot (because you cannot give tickets to players).
And to be further clear, we can give them high value seats to premium games but not a ride or t-shirt?
They are on a guest list, they don't have actual tickets.
This is true. That is what Calipari was complaining about. That he couldn't get his player's families free tickets to the Final Four. (Yet the families all seemed to be there...)
Yes. It is necessary for a recruit to see a game. It is not necessary that a player gets a ride or a t-shirt. This is also because all schools can afford to give up a seat, not all programs can afford to give out t-shirts and rides to every recruit.
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The players and family are admitted to games through a guest list. They aren't given tickets so they have nothing to sell.
I have no idea if tickets can be given to the family of players..so it is possible that the family of recruits can gain admission for free but not the family of players.
And yes you are correct. They can be given high value seats to premium games but not a ride or a t-shirt.
Now to turn it full circle, 72 says Stone is just using MU for free tickets. Or Stone was using MU because the last game he attended on these tickets was when Brent was still coach and no one knew Brent was leaving.
72 thinks the odds were always 1/200 he was coming (even though Crystal Ball says 5 of 7 predicted to MU when he attended his last game). The next game he can attend on these tickets is after the signing date in November when the season restarts. He is excepted to make his decision before that so what is he stringing along?
I think this 1/200 odds his total BS. It more like 40 to 60% he's attending MU. It's a close call either way and it was never an unrealistic long shot like 72 alleges.
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The players and family are admitted to games through a guest list. They aren't given tickets so they have nothing to sell.
I have no idea if tickets can be given to the family of players..so it is possible that the family of recruits can gain admission for free but not the family of players.
And yes you are correct. They can be given high value seats to premium games but not a ride or a t-shirt.
So I will call Diamond and offer him $1000 for the two seats to attend with him. He will call the ticket office and say his "guest" is "uncle Heisenberg and his cousin."
That is how it can be abused (and sold).
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I would love it if Diamond chose MU. Just like I would have loved it if guys like JP or Looney chose MU. My personal opinion is that it is really hard for top 10 players not to go to a blue blood program. The recruiting machine puts a ton of pressure on these guys. Yes, recruits get tickets. They are in about the 5th row behind the MU bench. I was under the impression that they were free, but maybe they have to pay for them. I'll ask JP.
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If Diamond chooses MU great, but if not, I just hope he doesn't go to VaTech. That would be a nightmare scenario.
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Now to turn it full circle, 72 says Stone is just using MU for free tickets. Or Stone was using MU because the last game he attended on these tickets was when Brent was still coach and no one knew Brent was leaving.
72 thinks the odds were always 1/200 he was coming (even though Crystal Ball says 5 of 7 predicted to MU when he attended his last game). The next game he can attend on these tickets is after the signing date in November when the season restarts. He is excepted to make his decision before that so what is he stringing along?
I think this 1/200 odds his total BS. It more like 40 to 60% he's attending MU. It's a close call either way and it was never an unrealistic long shot like 72 alleges.
Whatever.
He was right that he is given free admission. You were wrong that he pays for them. That's the only point I was making.
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I would love it if Diamond chose MU. Just like I would have loved it if guys like JP or Looney chose MU. My personal opinion is that it is really hard for top 10 players not to go to a blue blood program. The recruiting machine puts a ton of pressure on these guys. Yes, recruits get tickets. They are in about the 5th row behind the MU bench. I was under the impression that they were free, but maybe they have to pay for them. I'll ask JP.
True but that does make it 1/200 like you a say.
tokoto was not a top 10 recruit. He was as highly ranked as jamil, Burton and Duane (depending on the service)
Looney was top 10 but largely from day 1 acted like he wanted to go away for school.
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Whatever.
He was right that he is given free admission. You were wrong that he pays for them. That's the only point I was making.
His point is Stone has no intention of going to MU and is stringing us along solely to get the free tickets.
Translated, he alleges Stone is deceitful.
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His point is Stone has no intention of going to MU and is stringing us along solely to get the free tickets.
Translated, he alleges Stone is deceitful.
My aren't we argumentative this morning. If you want to argue over Diamond's integrity that's fine. I don't know him one bit so I have no idea.
I was simply correcting a factual error on your part.
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True but that does make it 1/200 like you a say.
tokoto was not a top 10 recruit. He was as highly ranked as jamil, Burton and Duane (depending on the service)
Looney was top 10 but largely from day 1 acted like he wanted to go away for school.
My opinion, is that it is 1/200. Do you understand what an opinion is? J.P. was a top 10 level player and started dropping in the rankings as a Jr. That is why Roy Williams, Coach K, were at MF games. The bigger point is that when you are this level of player, you don't eliminate the local school early in the process. Free admission drying up is just one part of this equation.
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My opinion, is that it is 1/200. Do you understand what an opinion is? J.P. was a top 10 level player and started dropping in the rankings as a Jr. That is why Roy Williams, Coach K, were at MF games. The bigger point is that when you are this level of player, you don't eliminate the local school early in the process. Free admission drying up is just one part of this equation.
I also know that no expert is even close to your opinion so you're an extreme outlier. But hey, it's your opinion. And I have no doubt if Stone goes elsewhere, you'll insist you adds were correct even though all objective evidence says 1/200 is way way off.
And yes Tokoto was top 10 and started dropping his Junior year, just like Jamil. But you're reverting back to the WI inferiority complex that Tokoto, ranked 87 in the nation by the time he graduated was actually "better" solely because he went to UNC. And Burton and Duane, ranked in the 50s, were not as good because they "settled" for a second rated program in MU ... because everything Milwaukee is second rated and highly ranked recruits that pick MU must have a problem.
Yes I'm being argumentative because your post pissed me off, I saw it as an unnecessary broadside against MU from a supposed fan. If you want to believe MU is a permanent second ranked program, that is your choice.
Finally, Get the blood-blood list correct, it starts with Uconn and then has Michigan State and Syracuse on it. Yes, schools in second rate cities (like Milwaukee) that have lousy winters can be blood-blood programs.
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I also know that no expert is even close to your opinion so you're an extreme outlier. But hey, it's your opinion. And I have no doubt if Stone goes elsewhere, you'll insist you adds were correct even though all objective evidence says 1/200 is way way off.
And yes Tokoto was top 10 and started dropping his Junior year, just like Jamil. But you're reverting back to the WI inferiority complex that Tokoto, ranked 87 in the nation by the time he graduated was actually "better" solely because he went to UNC. And Burton and Duane, ranked in the 50s, were not as good because they "settled" for a second rated program in MU ... because everything Milwaukee is second rated and highly ranked recruits that pick MU must have a problem.
Yes I'm being argumentative because your post pissed me off, I saw it as an unnecessary broadside against MU from a supposed fan. If you want to believe MU is a permanent second ranked program, that is your choice.
Finally, Get the blood-blood list correct, it starts with Uconn and then has Michigan State and Syracuse on it. Yes, schools in second rate cities (like Milwaukee) that have lousy winters can be blood-blood programs.
You are a piece of work. My opinion is that Diamond goes to a blue blood program. it is not a knock on MU. I just don't want to read the typical sky is falling type crap if this becomes reality. Next time a top 5 player stays home and goes to a local non blue blood program, let me know! I'm sure it has happened, but it is not the norm. I'm sure Wojo will be placing his eggs in multiple baskets, in trying to land front court players.
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The Stones do not pay for those seats, and neither do the families of players when they attend games. Each player gets 8 seats to have friends and family come to. If they aren't going to use all 8 seats then they can put guests of other players who may want more than 8 seats on their list.
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ESPN rankings for the 2014 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true
#5 Emmanuel Mudiay from Dallas going to SMU
#14 Isaiah Whitehead from Brooklyn going to Seton Hall
#19 Rashad Vaughn from Finday Prep going to UNLV
#20 James Blackmon, Jr. from Marion Indana going to Indiana
ESPN rankings for the 2013 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2013
#10 Kasey Hill Clarmont FL to Florida
#11 Jarrell Martin from Baton Rouge going to LSU
#12 Chris Walker from Bonifay, FL to Florida
#15 Austin Nichols from Eads TN to Memphis
#16 Bobby Portis from Little Rock to Arkansas
#19 Nigel Williams-Goss from Happy Valley OR, to Washington
ESPN rankings for the 2012 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012
#3 Isaiah Austin from Austin TX to Baylor
#7 Anthony Bennett from Findlay Prep to UNLV
#8 Cameron Ridley from Fort Bend TX to Texas
#10 Marcus Smart from Fort Mound Texas to Oklahoma State
#17 Sam Dekker from Sheboygan, WI to Wisconsin
#18 Glenn Robinson from Saint John IN to Michigan
#19 Danuel House from Sugar Land, TX to Houston
#20 Rodney Purvis from Raleigh, NC to NC State
We can add #2 Myles turner to this list now. The Texas native just committed to UT
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/10862976/myles-turner-nation-no-2-recruit-play-texas-longhorns
Can we put to rest that top 5 recruits only go to blue bloods? 2 of the top 5 in next years freshmen class picked local options.
One in the 2015 class has already picked a local option (Simmons chose LSU).
So, yes nothing unusual about Diamond Stone of Milwaukee picking MU, these types of decisions happen all the time.
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Top 20 players from the last three years. Gee I see no one staying home, how about you?
ESPN rankings for the 2014 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true
#5 Emmanuel Mudiay from Dallas going to SMU
#14 Isaiah Whitehead from Brooklyn going to Seton Hall
#19 Rashad Vaughn from Finday Prep going to UNLV
#20 James Blackmon, Jr. from Marion Indana going to Indiana
ESPN rankings for the 2013 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2013
#10 Kasey Hill Clarmont FL to Florida
#11 Jarrell Martin from Baton Rouge going to LSU
#12 Chris Walker from Bonifay, FL to Florida
#15 Austin Nichols from Eads TN to Memphis
#16 Bobby Portis from Little Rock to Arkansas
#19 Nigel Williams-Goss from Happy Valley OR, to Washington
ESPN rankings for the 2012 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012
#3 Isaiah Austin from Austin TX to Baylor
#7 Anthony Bennett from Findlay Prep to UNLV
#8 Cameron Ridley from Fort Bend TX to Texas
#10 Marcus Smart from Fort Mound Texas to Oklahoma State
#17 Sam Dekker from Sheboygan, WI to Wisconsin
#18 Glenn Robinson from Saint John IN to Michigan
#19 Danuel House from Sugar Land, TX to Houston
#20 Rodney Purvis from Raleigh, NC to NC State
Any in Wisconsin going to Marquette?
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Any in Wisconsin going to Marquette?
Looney went to UCLA and Dekker went to Bucky. That's it for the last three years.
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And for 2015 (Stone is #5)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2015/view/super60/sort/rank/order/true
#3 Ben Simmons from Melbourne, AUS and Montverde Academy in FL going to LSU
#20 K.J. Lawson from Memphis TN to Memphis
(most, like Stone, are uncommitted)
So unless Simmons switches, Stone would not be the highest ranked player of his class to choose to stay home. Others in the top 4 are also considering local schools.
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If Diamond chooses MU great, but if not, I just hope he doesn't go to VaTech. That would be a nightmare scenario.
Why? We don't play Virginia Tech. It's not like we'd ever see Stone again.
I'd be more annoyed by Wisconsin landing him
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So I will call Diamond and offer him $1000 for the two seats to attend with him. He will call the ticket office and say his "guest" is "uncle Heisenberg and his cousin."
That is how it can be abused (and sold).
At least at TAMU we have protections against that. Only immediate family (father, mother, legal guardian, brother, sister, son, or daughter) are allowed to accompany the recruit. If a recruit wants to hold a bidding war between their family for who gets the seat, I guess that's on them.
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The Stones do not pay for those seats, and neither do the families of players when they attend games. Each player gets 8 seats to have friends and family come to. If they aren't going to use all 8 seats then they can put guests of other players who may want more than 8 seats on their list.
Then what was Calipari complaining about? Only the final 4?
What don't players families get tickets for?
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Then what was Calipari complaining about? Only the final 4?
What don't players families get tickets for?
NCAA Tournament you do not get tickets for free. There is a certain number of tickets given to each team that makes it to divide between families/friends/whoever of staff and players, but they must be paid for by the person using the tickets. They are nice seats, though.
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Top 20 players from the last three years. Gee I see no one staying home at a non-blood (which you define as UCLA, Duke, UNC, Kansas and Kentucky), how about you?
ESPN rankings for the 2014 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true
#5 Emmanuel Mudiay from Dallas going to SMU
#14 Isaiah Whitehead from Brooklyn going to Seton Hall
#19 Rashad Vaughn from Finday Prep going to UNLV
#20 James Blackmon, Jr. from Marion Indana going to Indiana
ESPN rankings for the 2013 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2013
#10 Kasey Hill Clarmont FL to Florida
#11 Jarrell Martin from Baton Rouge going to LSU
#12 Chris Walker from Bonifay, FL to Florida
#15 Austin Nichols from Eads TN to Memphis
#16 Bobby Portis from Little Rock to Arkansas
#19 Nigel Williams-Goss from Happy Valley OR, to Washington
ESPN rankings for the 2012 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012
#3 Isaiah Austin from Austin TX to Baylor
#7 Anthony Bennett from Findlay Prep to UNLV
#8 Cameron Ridley from Fort Bend TX to Texas
#10 Marcus Smart from Fort Mound Texas to Oklahoma State
#17 Sam Dekker from Sheboygan, WI to Wisconsin
#18 Glenn Robinson from Saint John IN to Michigan
#19 Danuel House from Sugar Land, TX to Houston
#20 Rodney Purvis from Raleigh, NC to NC State
You found a couple, but had to expand the list to top 20 to find more than a few. Like I said, not the norm. You can believe all you want that Diamond is coming to MU. I would be very happy if that plays out. My personal opinion are the chances are slim to none. You go ahead and believe it though and most likely will be the first to complain that Wojo is doing a bad job because he didn't land Diamond.
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You found a couple, but had to expand the list to top 20 to find more than a few. Like I said, not the norm. You can believe all you want that Diamond is coming to MU. I would be very happy if that plays out. My personal opinion are the chances are slim to none. You go ahead and believe it though and most likely will be the first to complain that Wojo is doing a bad job because he didn't land Diamond.
MU's chances improved when Brent left. Diamond liked MU with Brent but Diamond's father thought he was slime. Smart man.
Coach K has been to WFD quite a few times to see Diamond as well as meet with Coach Berger. Right now Duke seems to have a slight lead with Bucky behind them.
NOW with Wojo, Diamond has stayed interested in MU and his father likes the hire a lot. It will be interesting summer to see what Wojo can do. Right now the top 3 in order would be Duke, Bucky & Marquette.
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Let's go back to your original post ...
Everybody seems to think Stone to MU is a real possibility.
Because he was until Brent left
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Diamond-Stone-at-Dominican-32128/CurrentExpertPredictions
I would prefer to go after other guys, and if we get him, just be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!. I tend to think there are a lot of MU fans that will be really disappointed if we don't land him.
We are going after other guys.
The surprise will be if we do! I would put the odds at less than 1/2 of 1 percent.
See above, you're allowed to hold an incorrect opinion, and this is and incorrect opinion.
He will be like the typical local star who won't eliminate MU until the end. so the supply of game tickets does not dry up.
So you you called Stone a cheat, a liar to MU to get free tickets, disgraceful.
Just my thoughts. I will bet my bottom dollar that he ends up at one of 5 schools. KY, Duke, UCLA, Kansas or North Carolina. Us MU fans want to believe he will come here, but with all the pressure, it's almost impossible for a top 10 guy to say no to one of those schools.
The list above has 5 top 10 guys in the last three years going to local options. 6 if you count Simmons in the 2015 class going to LSU. So, it happens all the time.
We would be better of if he was a fringe top 50 - 75 guy.
This is what set me off. Top 50 to 75 are fringe guys? Ignorant statement
Ellenson is ranked 49 by ESPN. He is one spot from qualifying as a fringe guy. Should we tell him he's a fringe guy and not good enough for the Duke offer?
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Let's go back to your original post ...
Everybody seems to think Stone to MU is a real possibility.
Because he was until Brent left
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Diamond-Stone-at-Dominican-32128/CurrentExpertPredictions
I would prefer to go after other guys, and if we get him, just be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!. I tend to think there are a lot of MU fans that will be really disappointed if we don't land him.
We are going after other guys.
The surprise will be if we do! I would put the odds at less than 1/2 of 1 percent.
See above, you're allowed to hold an incorrect opinion, and this is and incorrect opinion.
He will be like the typical local star who won't eliminate MU until the end. so the supply of game tickets does not dry up.
So you you called Stone a cheat, a liar to MU to get free tickets, disgraceful.
Just my thoughts. I will bet my bottom dollar that he ends up at one of 5 schools. KY, Duke, UCLA, Kansas or North Carolina. Us MU fans want to believe he will come here, but with all the pressure, it's almost impossible for a top 10 guy to say no to one of those schools.
The list above has 5 top 10 guys in the last three years going to local options. 6 if you count Simmons in the 2015 class going to LSU. So, it happens all the time.
We would be better of if he was a fringe top 50 - 75 guy.
This is what set me off. Top 50 to 75 are fringe guys? Ignorant statement
Ellenson is ranked 49 by ESPN. He is one spot from qualifying as a fringe guy. Should we tell him he's a fringe guy and not good enough for the Duke offer?
I meant that it is easier to keep guys ranked 50-75 at home. You are just trying to be a douche!
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More of the same of people who think we have no chance at Stone--low expectations for the program. With those type of standards set by fans and coaches, MU will continue to flounder at the 17-15 level with an occasional surprise year. I prefer to have the high expectations. no reason why we should not.
We have been floundering at the 17-15 level with an occasional surprise year? Wow. News to me. And here I thought that last year was the exception and that prior to last year we had the 5th or 6th longest NCAA tournament appearance streak in the country. I am not sure what I must have been watching.
Stop being so melodramatic.
Willie Warrior has waited patiently for a 17-15 record, so he could run around and say; "The sky is falling". Don't mess with his happy, he may not get another shot like this for some time.
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Yes, you can call the Athletic department and request the tickets for face value. I can too. Whether they sell them to you is another factor. For you, unless you donate enough or are a recruit, the answer is no. The Athletic office is free to sell those seats to whoever they want and they elect to sell them to Stone and his family.
Before we go off on a tangent, let's remember the context here. MUfan72 believes their is a 1/200 chance Stone picks MU and is only stringing us along so we give him free tickets for as long as possible. Of course, 72 is suggesting that MU is either stupid or desperate and they continually give him free tickets without realizing their stand no chance. NCAA rules do not allow impermissible benefits and free tickets are an impermissible benefit (except on an official visit ... which is part of the reason they have such a thing). What 72 suggests is not allowed.
If you believe that we can shower the Stone family with free tickets, answer this? Can Stone sell them? Can papa Stone give them to a boss or client at his work to gain an advantage? Can pap Stone take a boss or client to the game to gain an advantage? Why can we can drop free tickets on a recruits head but UW cannot give free tickets to Kamisky's family to watch their son play in Dallas in the final four (see Calipari's complaint about this). Why can we give free tickets to a recruit, but not a t-shirt and ride home (see Scott Monrach).
Fact is there are no free tickets. Its not allowed. Stone pays for them. That said, Stone ticket office is the athletic department. Your ticket office is the MU ticket department. The seats the athletic department decide to sell to Stone are different than the seats the MU ticket office sell to you.
You and Stone pay face value and the highest face value tickets MU has, I believe, are $40 each.
Actually, you kind of make We R Final Four's argument for him. While the tickets are not free they are premium seats that MU would not choose to sell to the Stone family except for the expectation that they could provide MU with a (permissible) recruiting benefit.
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MU's chances improved when Brent left. Diamond liked MU with Brent but Diamond's father thought he was slime. Smart man.
Coach K has been to WFD quite a few times to see Diamond as well as meet with Coach Berger. Right now Duke seems to have a slight lead with Bucky behind them.
NOW with Wojo, Diamond has stayed interested in MU and his father likes the hire a lot. It will be interesting summer to see what Wojo can do. Right now the top 3 in order would be Duke, Bucky & Marquette.
Hberg, you're on quite the rant today. What's got you so riled up about this thread?
Sultan was right about the tickets. MU does this for other athletes too who are in the Olympic sports. There's a "ticket" waiting for them at each game.
Chili said it well. I was thinking the same thing about Stone's dad. Never got a good vibe about him and Barney. Things have changed for the better.
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Hberg, you're on quite the rant today. What's got you so riled up about this thread?
Sultan was right about the tickets. MU does this for other athletes too who are in the Olympic sports. There's a "ticket" waiting for them at each game.
Chili said it well. I was thinking the same thing about Stone's dad. Never got a good vibe about him and Barney. Things have changed for the better.
I detest anyone that thinks MU is second class (or the WI inferiority complex as I call it) and I interpreted "We would be better of if he was a fringe top 50 - 75 guy as part of this second class thinking.
I love the school, it has treated me well, I strongly recommend it to anyone who asks. So yes I get riled when someone tells me its second class.
72, sorry if that was not your intention. We don't have to take a back seat to anyone. When Stone gets drafted his position will be the same if goes to MU or any of the blue-bloods (see UNLV's Anthony Bennett last year). Diamond should stay home so eight members of his family can watch him live and in person at every home game for free!
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I had a similar reaction to his thread that said we essentially had zero chance with Stone. I respect his opinion, as he has history on his side.
Stone's old man sounds like a smart dude. Let's hope Wojo plays his cards right.
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I had a similar reaction to his thread that said we essentially had zero chance with Stone. I respect his opinion, as he has history on his side.
Stone's old man sounds like a smart dude. Let's hope Wojo plays his cards right.
Reportedly, he was one of the first to see cracks in Buzz's sincerity. That's a good judge of character.
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Top 20 players from the last three years. Gee I see no one staying home at a non-blood (which you define as UCLA, Duke, UNC, Kansas and Kentucky), how about you
ESPN rankings for the 2014 class
#19 Rashad Vaughn from Finday Prep going to UNLV
ESPN rankings for the 2012 class
#7 Anthony Bennett from Findlay Prep to UNLV
I see two. Findlay Prep is in Henderson, NV which is a suburb of Las Vegas.
FWIW - SD State and UNLV both have top recruiting classes and should both be very good.
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I see two. Findlay Prep is in Henderson, NV which is a suburb of Las Vegas.
FWIW - SD State and UNLV both have top recruiting classes and should both be very good.
UNLV has a helluva class but they are losing four of their five starters from this season I believe. It will be interesting to see how the freshmen hold up.
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Losing four of five starters that didn't make a tourney. If MU was losing four of last year's five starters and had a top 5 recruiting class do you think anyone here might be optimistic?
UNLV 2014 commits (National rank)
SG Rashad Vaughn (No. 8)
SF Dwayne Morgan (No. 15)
C Goodluck Okonoboh (No. 31)
SG Patrick McCaw (NR 3-star)
Plus a transfer from San Francisco.
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Everybody seems to think Stone to MU is a real possibility. I would prefer to go after other guys, and if we get him, just be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!. I tend to think there are a lot of MU fans that will be really disappointed if we don't land him. The surprise will be if we do! I would put the odds at less than 1/2 of 1 percent. He will be like the typical local star who won't eliminate MU until the end. so the supply of game tickets does not dry up. Just my thoughts. I will bet my bottom dollar that he ends up at one of 5 schools. KY, Duke, UCLA, Kansas or North Carolina. Us MU fans want to believe he will come here, but with all the pressure, it's almost impossible for a top 10 guy to say no to one of those schools. We would be better of if he was a fringe top 50 - 75 guy.
I disagree with your analysis. Young Mr. Stone is taking a very serious look at Marquette. There are many compelling reasons for him to attend school here. Marquette is a very desirable school for the student athlete. Look at Deonte Burton. He is thriving here. It is not uncommon for the hometown school to have the inside track. When Michigan State signed Magic Johnson, their program was in the bottom half of the Big Ten. Yet Johnson thought it was right for him. At the end of the day the family will decide what is right and I guarantee a local school of our quality is going to be given strong consideration.
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I disagree with your analysis. Young Mr. Stone is taking a very serious look at Marquette. There are many compelling reasons for him to attend school here. Marquette is a very desirable school for the student athlete. Look at Deonte Burton. He is thriving here. It is not uncommon for the hometown school to have the inside track. When Michigan State signed Magic Johnson, their program was in the bottom half of the Big Ten. Yet Johnson thought it was right for him. At the end of the day the family will decide what is right and I guarantee a local school of our quality is going to be given strong consideration.
I want you to be right.
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I disagree with your analysis. Young Mr. Stone is taking a very serious look at Marquette. There are many compelling reasons for him to attend school here. Marquette is a very desirable school for the student athlete. Look at Deonte Burton. He is thriving here. It is not uncommon for the hometown school to have the inside track. When Michigan State signed Magic Johnson, their program was in the bottom half of the Big Ten. Yet Johnson thought it was right for him. At the end of the day the family will decide what is right and I guarantee a local school of our quality is going to be given strong consideration.
It is between Marquette and UCONN as of right now. UCONN has the edge at the moment.
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It is between Marquette and UCONN as of right now. UCONN has the edge at the moment.
Source?
Cause everything I have been hearing says that Marquette is the leader with UNC as a close second and Wisconsin as a distant third. I haven't heard mention of UConn.
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Losing four of five starters that didn't make a tourney. If MU was losing four of last year's five starters and had a top 5 recruiting class do you think anyone here might be optimistic?
UNLV 2014 commits (National rank)
SG Rashad Vaughn (No. 8)
SF Dwayne Morgan (No. 15)
C Goodluck Okonoboh (No. 31)
SG Patrick McCaw (NR 3-star)
Plus a transfer from San Francisco.
How can this be? UNLV is not in the ACC? Brent said only ACC schools are capable of these kind of recruiting classes. Certainly not the mountain west!
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SD State & UNLV have recruited some great players. Fisher has also coached the Aztecs well. The jury is still out on UNLV's Dave Rice.
Will be interesting to see how Wojo does in the future now that he runs his own program. I think/hope he's as good as advertised!
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So, summarizing 15 page thread:
DS is not coming/never was coming/never considered/zero chance of coming to MU.
DS is a solid MU lean/MU is leading/taking a serious look at MU.
DS wants to play with his buddy Duane.
DS and Duane aren't that tight, and DS does not want to play with him.
DS will go to: MU or UW or UConn or UCLA(see location, academics, coach, bball, girls, etc.) or UNC or Kent or Duke or SMU.
It is MU vs. UW.
It is MU vs. UConn.
Don't be surprised if its UCLA.
UW lean.
When Calipari calls, DS will go there.
It is MU, then UNC, then UW.
Based upon this, I think that it is safe to say that DS' recruitment is still up in the air, No?
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So, summarizing 15 page thread:
DS is not coming/never was coming/never considered/zero chance of coming to MU.
DS is a solid MU lean/MU is leading/taking a serious look at MU.
DS wants to play with his buddy Duane.
DS and Duane aren't that tight, and DS does not want to play with him.
DS will go to: MU or UW or UConn or UCLA(see location, academics, coach, bball, girls, etc.) or UNC or Kent or Duke or SMU.
It is MU vs. UW.
It is MU vs. UConn.
Don't be surprised if its UCLA.
UW lean.
When Calipari calls, DS will go there.
It is MU, then UNC, then UW.
Based upon this, I think that it is safe to say that DS' recruitment is still up in the air, No?
+ Stone's family appears to like Wojo better than Brent, whom they saw for what he really is early on.
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So, summarizing 15 page thread:
DS is not coming/never was coming/never considered/zero chance of coming to MU.
DS is a solid MU lean/MU is leading/taking a serious look at MU.
DS wants to play with his buddy Duane.
DS and Duane aren't that tight, and DS does not want to play with him.
DS will go to: MU or UW or UConn or UCLA(see location, academics, coach, bball, girls, etc.) or UNC or Kent or Duke or SMU.
It is MU vs. UW.
It is MU vs. UConn.
Don't be surprised if its UCLA.
UW lean.
When Calipari calls, DS will go there.
It is MU, then UNC, then UW.
Based upon this, I think that it is safe to say that DS' recruitment is still up in the air, No?
Well done sir
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It is between Marquette and UCONN as of right now. UCONN has the edge at the moment.
For Magic? Awesome. Could use a 6'9" PG.
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If UConn has the edge, I think it's safe to sat that Diamond has not likely seen Storrs.
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If UConn has the edge, I think it's safe to sat that Diamond has not likely seen Storrs.
After hurricane Katrina, Storrs was named "America's Best Place to Avoid Death Due to Natural Disaster."
So there's that.
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After hurricane Katrina, Storrs was named "America's Best Place to Avoid Death Due to Natural Disaster."
So there's that.
Gotta believe Ollie's using that for all it's worth.
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If UConn has the edge, I think it's safe to sat that Diamond has not likely seen Storrs.
I'm thinking the quality of a basketball program is probably more important than the quality of the city the program is in when it comes to where a player who most likely thinks he will spend about 7 months of his life at when he is deciding where he will go to college. National Champions > Nice city. Just a hunch.
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After hurricane Katrina, Storrs was named "America's Best Place to Avoid Death Due to Natural Disaster."
So there's that.
I'm pretty sure Stoors suffered more damage from Hurricane Sandy than Milwaukee did.
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If UConn has the edge, I think it's safe to sat that Diamond has not likely seen Storrs.
Storrs is cow town as much as that is possible in Connecticut.
UConn has an agricultural school and even has their own cow herd where the milk ends up as ice cream at the famous UConn Dairy Bar.
They have been trying to address the ruralness by recently building a "Downtown Storrs" that has a square surrounded by shops, restaurants and a hotel since none of the above was available within walking distance beforehand.
Storrs made out better than the shoreline during Sandy. I was without power for almost a week. I had an interesting evening during that storm!
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Storrs made out better than the shoreline during Sandy. I was without power for almost a week. I had an interesting evening during that storm!
I hope it didn't involve milking a cow in the dark.
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I hope it didn't involve milking a cow in the dark.
I don't live anywhere near Storrs, relatively speaking, not compared to the distance from Wisconsin of course...........
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Storrs is cow town as much as that is possible in Connecticut.
You're just saying that because the city was founded by a cow.
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Has anyone been on the boards of other schools to see what their "insiders" are saying? Perhaps that would give us a bit of a better perception and less blasting each other.
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Looking like UCLA.
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Looking like UCLA.
Why? Link?
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Inside info
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Why? Link?
look on 247 everyone that was on MU is now switching to UCLA. I did hear recently from inside Diamond does like us so knock on wood for a great last push.
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Inside info
This means you made it up to get a rise out of people here.
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Believe what you want to believe.
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I had an interesting evening during that storm!
Video?
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http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Diamond-Stone-at-Dominican-32128/CurrentExpertPredictions (http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Diamond-Stone-at-Dominican-32128/CurrentExpertPredictions)
the tide has turned to the Bruins in recent days...
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Is he good friends with Looney? They might be able to play 1 year together.
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look on 247 everyone that was on MU is now switching to UCLA. I did hear recently from inside Diamond does like us so knock on wood for a great last push.
Diamond Stone is in a very nice position. He can choose exactly where he wants to go. I see three choices . Local, Blue Blood, Glamour. If comes down to local it is Us Versus Wisconsin, Blue Blood UNC, Duke , Kentucky and Glamour UCLA. At this point I put the probability weighting as equal so we have a one in six chance at getting him. That is actually a pretty high chance. When Magic Johnson was being recruited Michigan State switched coaches in the middle of the process. Johnson loved Gus Ganakas and had no clue about Jud Heathcoate. He was also looking at Michigan, UNC and UCLA.At the end of the day the mother and father had the most influence and they pushed him to stay home where they knew he would thrive. I think our best asset right now is that Deonte and Duane are enjoying the overall school experience. Kids influence other kids more than you would think.
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1:6> 1:200. Neither one means a damn thing.
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Is he good friends with Looney? They might be able to play 1 year together.
Not sure about Looney but I know for a fact he's good friends with JP Tokoto(UNC Tar Heel). There kind of like Fred and Barney Rubble.
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I would chalk up the recent UCLA surge to the fact that Buzz left and Stone just visited UCLA. The experts at 247 flip flop all the time.
Give CoWojo some time to get acquainted with the Stones. Diamond loved Marquette even though he and his family didn't totally buy into Buzz. If Wojo can build a solid rapport, I'm feeling very confident.
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I'm thinking the quality of a basketball program is probably more important than the quality of the city the program is in when it comes to where a player who most likely thinks he will spend about 7 months of his life at when he is deciding where he will go to college. National Champions > Nice city. Just a hunch.
It could also come down to the fact that he will never have to attend a single class at UConn.
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Diamond Stone is in a very nice position. He can choose exactly where he wants to go. I see three choices . Local, Blue Blood, Glamour. If comes down to local it is Us Versus Wisconsin, Blue Blood UNC, Duke , Kentucky and Glamour UCLA. At this point I put the probability weighting as equal so we have a one in six chance at getting him. That is actually a pretty high chance. When Magic Johnson was being recruited Michigan State switched coaches in the middle of the process. Johnson loved Gus Ganakas and had no clue about Jud Heathcoate. He was also looking at Michigan, UNC and UCLA.At the end of the day the mother and father had the most influence and they pushed him to stay home where they knew he would thrive. I think our best asset right now is that Deonte and Duane are enjoying the overall school experience. Kids influence other kids more than you would think.
Some of those bluebloods are also glamorous and vice versa.
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I would chalk up the recent UCLA surge to the fact that Buzz left and Stone just visited UCLA. The experts at 247 flip flop all the time.
Give CoWojo some time to get acquainted with the Stones. Diamond loved Marquette even though he and his family didn't totally buy into Buzz. If Wojo can build a solid rapport, I'm feeling very confident.
+1
We still have a surge for Duke, UNC and Kentucky to come and, hopefully, another MU surge after that.
The only time the list matters is in the few days before he announces.
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Not sure about Looney but I know for a fact he's good friends with JP Tokoto(UNC Tar Heel). There kind of like Fred and Barney Rubble.
You mean that Diamond is always trying to take JP's breakfast?
http://www.youtube.com/e/2vyMD3PAv4I
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from: Heisenberg on April 27, 2014, 01:41:09 PM
ESPN rankings for the 2014 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true
#5 Emmanuel Mudiay from Dallas going to SMU
#14 Isaiah Whitehead from Brooklyn going to Seton Hall
#19 Rashad Vaughn from Finday Prep going to UNLV
#20 James Blackmon, Jr. from Marion Indana going to Indiana
ESPN rankings for the 2013 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2013
#10 Kasey Hill Clarmont FL to Florida
#11 Jarrell Martin from Baton Rouge going to LSU
#12 Chris Walker from Bonifay, FL to Florida
#15 Austin Nichols from Eads TN to Memphis
#16 Bobby Portis from Little Rock to Arkansas
#19 Nigel Williams-Goss from Happy Valley OR, to Washington
ESPN rankings for the 2012 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012
#3 Isaiah Austin from Austin TX to Baylor
#7 Anthony Bennett from Findlay Prep to UNLV
#8 Cameron Ridley from Fort Bend TX to Texas
#10 Marcus Smart from Fort Mound Texas to Oklahoma State
#17 Sam Dekker from Sheboygan, WI to Wisconsin
#18 Glenn Robinson from Saint John IN to Michigan
#19 Danuel House from Sugar Land, TX to Houston
#20 Rodney Purvis from Raleigh, NC to NC State
We can add #2 Myles Turner to this list now. The Texas native just committed to UT
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/10862976/myles-turner-nation-no-2-recruit-play-texas-longhorns
Can we put to rest that top 5 recruits only go to blue bloods? 2 of the top 5 in next years freshmen class picked local options.
One in the 2015 class has already picked a local option (#3 Simmons chose LSU).
So, yes nothing unusual about Diamond Stone of Milwaukee picking MU, these types of decisions happen all the time.
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Quote from: Heisenberg on April 27, 2014, 01:41:09 PM
ESPN rankings for the 2014 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/order/true
#5 Emmanuel Mudiay from Dallas going to SMU
#14 Isaiah Whitehead from Brooklyn going to Seton Hall
#19 Rashad Vaughn from Finday Prep going to UNLV
#20 James Blackmon, Jr. from Marion Indana going to Indiana
ESPN rankings for the 2013 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2013
#10 Kasey Hill Clarmont FL to Florida
#11 Jarrell Martin from Baton Rouge going to LSU
#12 Chris Walker from Bonifay, FL to Florida
#15 Austin Nichols from Eads TN to Memphis
#16 Bobby Portis from Little Rock to Arkansas
#19 Nigel Williams-Goss from Happy Valley OR, to Washington
ESPN rankings for the 2012 class
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/view/espnu100/sort/rank/class/2012
#3 Isaiah Austin from Austin TX to Baylor
#7 Anthony Bennett from Findlay Prep to UNLV
#8 Cameron Ridley from Fort Bend TX to Texas
#10 Marcus Smart from Fort Mound Texas to Oklahoma State
#17 Sam Dekker from Sheboygan, WI to Wisconsin
#18 Glenn Robinson from Saint John IN to Michigan
#19 Danuel House from Sugar Land, TX to Houston
#20 Rodney Purvis from Raleigh, NC to NC State
We can add #2 Myles turner to this list now. The Texas native just committed to UT
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/10862976/myles-turner-nation-no-2-recruit-play-texas-longhorns
Can we put to rest that top 5 recruits only go to blue bloods? 2 of the top 5 in next years freshmen class picked local options.
One in the 2015 class has already picked a local option (#3 Simmons chose LSU).
So, yes nothing unusual about Diamond Stone of Milwaukee picking MU, these types of decisions happen all the time.
Still, blue bloods will always have a better chance landing the 'hometown kid'
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Still, blue bloods will always have a better chance landing the 'hometown kid'
Yes but the odds are not 1/200
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Not sure about Looney but I know for a fact he's good friends with JP Tokoto(UNC Tar Heel). There kind of like Fred and Barney Rubble.
JP won't be there by the time Stone gets there will he? J.P is a senior next year. . .
I say he comes here to MU or UCLA. But he would be a perfect fit up in Madison at UW in the Big Ten in all honesty and all homerism aside.
Classic Big Ten player.
Bo would do wonders with him. I'm just saying. If he was my kid that is where I would tell him to go...basketball wise.
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JP won't be there by the time Stone gets there will he? J.P is a senior next year. . .
I say he comes here to MU or UCLA. But he would be a perfect fit up in Madison at UW in the Big Ten in all honesty and all homerism aside.
Classic Big Ten player.
Bo would do wonders with him. I'm just saying. If he was my kid that is where I would tell him to go...basketball wise.
"J.P is a senior next year. . ."
Actually, no. J.P is a junior next year, so they'd have one year together.
You don't pay much attention to how Bo uses his centers, I suspect.
I agree that it looks like Marquette and UCLA will be there at the end. UNC should be there too. I'd feel better about our chances if Duke hadn't been written off before Wojo got the MU job. Still he was, for a while, a MU lean at a time when his dad was skeptical about Buzz's sincerity, and Wojo was the big man coach for Duke....
Overall, I see a better than 1/6th chance. I really believe that (at this point) we are the local option. Better prospects at the point guard position would help, I'm sure. Hopefully, Nick re-ups, and/or Glyn Watson commits.
People talking about Kentucky (at this point) shows that they are out of the loop. Recruiting analysts who specialize in Kentucky recruiting wrote him off a while ago.
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JP won't be there by the time Stone gets there will he? J.P is a senior next year. . .
I say he comes here to MU or UCLA. But he would be a perfect fit up in Madison at UW in the Big Ten in all honesty and all homerism aside.
Classic Big Ten player.
Bo would do wonders with him. I'm just saying. If he was my kid that is where I would tell him to go...basketball wise.
Stones game is not a good fit for uw imo. Ellensen would fit there better.
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Stones game is not a good fit for uw imo. Ellensen would fit there better.
I'm not here to flame or anything...but I totally disagree. Frank Kamisnky can shoot the three ball and he's recognized for his ability to play inside and outside, but what allowed him to be so effective down the stretch and emerge as a playmaker was his low post game. He displayed how effective a true low post center can play in UW's offense.
The fact of the matter is, Diamond Stone would almost never be double teamed down on the block or in the paint because opposing defenses can't afford to do that against UW's three point shooters. It's basically the same principal that allows UW to kill zone defenses. And you don't need to shoot threes to be an effective big man in UW's offense. Just look at what Nigel Hayes did this season without shooting a single three pointer. Then throw in the fact that Bronson Koenig would be his PG in the pick and roll and that's just money in the bank.
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I'm not here to flame or anything...but I totally disagree. Frank Kamisnky can shoot the three ball and he's recognized for his ability to play inside and outside, but what allowed him to be so effective down the stretch and emerge as a playmaker was his low post game. He displayed how effective a true low post center can play in UW's offense.
The fact of the matter is, Diamond Stone would almost never be double teamed down on the block or in the paint because opposing defenses can't afford to do that against UW's three point shooters. It's basically the same principal that allows UW to kill zone defenses. And you don't need to shoot threes to be an effective big man in UW's offense. Just look at what Nigel Hayes did this season without shooting a single three pointer. Then throw in the fact that Bronson Koenig would be his PG in the pick and roll and that's just money in the bank.
While I'm not agreeing with the guy that you are quoting, you have to acknowledge that UW won't have the same players in 2015 with Diamond Stone that they have had this year with Kaminsky. Diamond and Frank are TOTALLY different players, and the players that will be around with Diamond won't automatically be great 3 point shooters.
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While I'm not agreeing with the guy that you are quoting, you have to acknowledge that UW won't have the same players in 2015 with Diamond Stone that they have had this year with Kaminsky. Diamond and Frank are TOTALLY different players, and the players that will be around with Diamond won't automatically be great 3 point shooters.
So the Badgers will have different players in 2015? Hell of a revelation. Do you think Bo is going to suddenly start recruiting switchables that can’t shoot the three? Bo’s system and the type of player he recruits are incredibly consistent if nothing else.
Spottedbadger,
Stone will be a great player in any system, but it is not a reach to say his skill set does not perfectly match up with the prototypical Bo recruit. Stones weaknesses are big parts of the Badger system. That being said, Stone would still flourish at UW because he is such a dominant inside force offensively and defensively and can pass very well. I just think there are programs and coaches, better suited to his skill set.
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I'm not here to flame or anything...but I totally disagree. Frank Kamisnky can shoot the three ball and he's recognized for his ability to play inside and outside, but what allowed him to be so effective down the stretch and emerge as a playmaker was his low post game. He displayed how effective a true low post center can play in UW's offense.
The fact of the matter is, Diamond Stone would almost never be double teamed down on the block or in the paint because opposing defenses can't afford to do that against UW's three point shooters. It's basically the same principal that allows UW to kill zone defenses. And you don't need to shoot threes to be an effective big man in UW's offense. Just look at what Nigel Hayes did this season without shooting a single three pointer. Then throw in the fact that Bronson Koenig would be his PG in the pick and roll and that's just money in the bank.
No flaming, no trolling, just a thoughtful expression of the Badger point of view. Most posters here are glad to have such posts here anytime. We get input from regulars who are Creighton and Georgetown fans, as well.
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So the Badgers will have different players in 2015? Hell of a revelation. Do you think Bo is going to suddenly start recruiting switchables that can’t shoot the three? Bo’s system and the type of player he recruits are incredibly consistent if nothing else.
Spottedbadger,
Stone will be a great player in any system, but it is not a reach to say his skill set does not perfectly match up with the prototypical Bo recruit. Stones weaknesses are big parts of the Badger system. That being said, Stone would still flourish at UW because he is such a dominant inside force offensively and defensively and can pass very well. I just think there are programs and coaches, better suited to his skill set.
It's hard for me to agree or disagree with that statement because both situations are so fluid at this point in time. As you said, and which I think is correct both of Stone and of skilled big men in general, Stone will be a great player in any system. To me, there's really no preeminent "big man" school, head coach, or offense that exists in college basketball. I mean, if you look at all of the star big men in the NBA right now there's literally no uniformity or common thread connecting them other than talent.
And Bo Ryan's "system" was incredibly fluid last season. Sure they ran some standard 4 out 1 in motion offense, but they also ran some dribble drive, some pick and roll, isos for Kaminsky, and even some triangle concepts. I think at this point, Bo's offense is a lot more tailored to individual players' strength than it has been in the past, and the Final Four run is evidence of that. I mean they literally played through Kaminsky.
I guess you'd have to expand on what you fell Stone's weaknesses are and how it relates to UW's offense for me to agree or disagree with your original point, but as I said in my original post, I don't think 3 point shooting is some sort of obstacle to play in UW's offense. Luke Winn conveniently posted a clip illustrating just how effective I think Diamond Stone could be in UW's offense. Opposing guards just simply can't double down low. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXe4yXFVTI
Oh and for the record, unfortunately I don't think Stone will be playing his college ball in the state of Wisconsin. I don't have any inside information, but I just get the feeling that he'll wind up at a place like UNC or UCLA.
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Thoughtful non-flaming posts from a badger. Who'd a thunk it? Cheers to you sir.
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Some of those bluebloods are also glamorous and vice versa.
Glamorous is in the eye of the beholder. MU is glamorous.
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Diamond Stone is in a very nice position. He can choose exactly where he wants to go. I see three choices . Local, Blue Blood, Glamour. If comes down to local it is Us Versus Wisconsin, Blue Blood UNC, Duke , Kentucky and Glamour UCLA. At this point I put the probability weighting as equal so we have a one in six chance at getting him. That is actually a pretty high chance. When Magic Johnson was being recruited Michigan State switched coaches in the middle of the process. Johnson loved Gus Ganakas and had no clue about Jud Heathcoate. He was also looking at Michigan, UNC and UCLA.At the end of the day the mother and father had the most influence and they pushed him to stay home where they knew he would thrive. I think our best asset right now is that Deonte and Duane are enjoying the overall school experience. Kids influence other kids more than you would think.
Some of those bluebloods are also glamorous and vice versa.
I was just using the classifications local, blue blood and glamour based on how I have seen kids look at things in the past. Obviously UCLA is blue blood if you look at them over a long period of time. I just felt that based on recent performance it is the glamour of their location set up against Beverly Hills, Bel Air West Hollywood etc that is their draw. UNC Duke and Kentucky have high visibility etc but I look at their primary appeal as basketball first . Clearly we are local along with Wisky. It seems like local is a big consideration for the family so I continue to believe we are right there. If the decision is deferred until later in the senior year, we have a chance to show on the court the why we are the best choice.
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Marquette is a gold blood which is equal or better than most blue bloods.
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I haven't been following his recruitment too closely, but is he expected to make a decision soon or no time table currently?
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I haven't been following his recruitment too closely, but is he expected to make a decision soon or no time table currently?
Nothing seems imminent. I would guess nothing until late summer or early fall.
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I haven't been following his recruitment too closely, but is he expected to make a decision soon or no time table currently?
I don't think there is any reason to believe he'll show his cards before the fall signing period.