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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: We R Final Four on December 30, 2013, 02:12:53 PM
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Per his Dad.
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Why? What happened?
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Don't know--homer just announced it. He's on a medical redshirt right now apparently.
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Thought T-Cube's droppin's were worshipped. Couldn't have gotten Creaned, could he? Were any potted plants tossed at Tom's coconut?
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Don't know--homer just announced it. He's on a medical redshirt right now apparently.
I didn't follow his recruitment, would we have a chance to land him? I assume an intra-Big10 transfer will be off the table. Seems like he would fill a need for us, even if he has to sit for a year.
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Agree on the need for next year. He is 7'.
Not sure bout recruitment history--don't remember us being mentioned with him in the past.
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I didn't follow his recruitment, would we have a chance to land him? I assume an intra-Big10 transfer will be off the table. Seems like he would fill a need for us, even if he has to sit for a year.
He has the look of a Bo Ryan recruit
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IU media guide lists him at 6-11, 230. Bio highlights:
Played for head coach Steve Showalter at Germantown (Wis.) High School ... ranked No. 34 overall by ESPN100 and the No. 4 center ... also ranked as the best player in the state of Wisconsin by ESPN.com ... ranked No. 79 by Scout.com and the No. 11 center in the country ... also ranked No. 94 by Rivals.com ... named a 2013 Parade All-American ... averaged 21.3 points and 9.5 rebounds per game as a senior ... named Wisconsin's Mr. Basketball and Gatorade Player of the Year ... led his Germantown team to consecutive state championships in his final two years, combining for a 56-0 record his last two seasons ... went 28-0 during his senior season.
And this just a few minutes ago from cbssports.com:
Luke Fischer has been battle a shoulder injury for much of his freshman season at Indiana, but he appeared to be hitting his stride the past couple of weeks.
But Fischer won't get the chance to prove himself in Bloomington, as the Hoosiers announced on Monday that the 6-foot-11 big man was transferring.
“Luke has decided to withdraw from Indiana and pursue another educational and basketball opportunity,” head coach Tom Crean said in a statement. “He explained to us he is looking for a different fit for him. We hate to see a fine young man like Luke leave, but he has made his decision and we wish the entire Fischer family well.”
Fischer was a top-100 recruit in the class of 2013, and his size was expected to be useful to the Hoosiers during his freshman season. Unfortunately, he suffered a shoulder injury in late September, which hindered his preseason development. On the season, he was averaging just 2.8 points and 2.1 rebounds – but he had 10 points and three blocks last Sunday against Kennesaw State.
Crean will continue to rely on freshman power forward Noah Vonleh in the post, with classmate Troy Williams playing as a versatile four-man. Hanner Perea and freshman Devin Davis could see an increase in frontcourt minutes with Fischer gone.
Indiana is 10-3, opening up Big Ten play on Tuesday against Illinois.
Unless he's already leaning somewhere, I hope we at least take a run at him.
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He could be the first Swing kid to play for I4 and MU.
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Could use a traditional playa, hey?
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I didn't follow his recruitment, would we have a chance to land him? I assume an intra-Big10 transfer will be off the table. Seems like he would fill a need for us, even if he has to sit for a year.
We were recruiting him and actually offered.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Luke-Fischer-124096
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Indiana freshman center Luke Fischer is transferring, the school announced Monday.
"Luke has decided to withdraw from Indiana and pursue another educational and basketball opportunity," IU coach Tom Crean said in a news release. "He explained to us he is looking for a different fit for him. We hate to see a fine young man like Luke leave, but he has made his decision and we wish the entire Fischer family well."
Fischer, 19, from Germantown, Wis., played in all 13 games. He averaged 2.8 points, 2.1 rebounds and 10.0 minutes.
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Go get him Buzz
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I wonder if Tan Tommy would allow him to transfer within the conference
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Will he have to sit all of next season or just calendar 2014?
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I'd love to snag him. As someone else asked, how long would he have to sit out? We all know we could use some help up front next year.
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he'd have to sit until the day after finals of the 2014 fall semester. He'd then have 2.5 years to play.
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Might be a nice pull-back to WI - don't really love the fact that he's tossing in the towel after 13 games when he's getting 10 mins a game; if in fact he's just leaving for more PT
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he'd have to sit until the day after finals of the 2014 fall semester. He'd then have 2.5 years to play.
2.5 only?
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I wonder if Tan Tommy would allow him to transfer within the conference
I'm thinking that the Big 10 wouldn't allow it even if Crean would. The BEast has a similar rule.
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F*ckin' can't add or subtract unless he take his shoes and socks off.
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I'm thinking that the Big 10 wouldn't allow it even if Crean would. The BEast has a similar rule.
Wrong, Uthoff went from UW to Iowa.
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F*ckin' can't add or subtract unless he take his shoes and socks off.
Can he count to 21 or is he limited to 20?
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I'm thinking that the Big 10 wouldn't allow it even if Crean would. The BEast has a similar rule.
There was a rule in the B10 that if you transferred in-conference, you had to pay your own way. That was changed last year, I believe. But he would lose a year of eligibility if transferring to UW (Big Ten rule) so he would be able to play 2.5 years.
He could play 3.5 if transferring to MU
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My understanding is that he would have to pay his way for the second semester of this year since McKay burned a scholarship.
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There was a rule in the B10 that if you transferred in-conference, you had to pay your own way. That was changed last year, I believe. But he would lose a year of eligibility if transferring to UW (Big Ten rule) so he would be able to play 2.5 years.
He could play 3.5 if transferring to MU
Only if he is granted the medical redshirt to wipe out this year. Otherwise it would only be 2.5
2013-14: Play first semester...sit out second
2014-15: Sit out first...play second
Play last two years.
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Only if he is granted the medical redshirt to wipe out this year. Otherwise it would only be 2.5
2013-14: Play first semester...sit out second
2014-15: Sit out first...play second
Play last two years.
eat it, mofos. Don't doubt ZFB.
Keefe, I have 6 "toes" on my left foot, but only because my johnson is so big that I have to keep it in my socks for warmth and my shoe for protection.
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Is that why you're stuck in the missionary position?
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Only if he is granted the medical redshirt to wipe out this year. Otherwise it would only be 2.5
2013-14: Play first semester...sit out second
2014-15: Sit out first...play second
Play last two years.
I'm the idiot here - too lazy to take my socks off.
It would be 1.5 at UW and 2.5 at MU. B10 has the rule that you lose 1 year of eligibility when transferring in-conf.
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Wrong, Uthoff went from UW to Iowa.
that was the player to be named later from the Brust deal.
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The way I understand it he could transfer to UW, but he would have to pay his own way for one year. He could transfer to MU and have a scholarship starting now, if we can use McKay's scholarship. I believe it is cheaper to pay for a full year at UW than to pay for a semester at MU.
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I'm the idiot here - too lazy to take my socks off.
It would be 1.5 at UW and 2.5 at MU. B10 has the rule that you lose 1 year of eligibility when transferring in-conf.
I think since Uthoff paid his own way at Iowa for a year, that he will have three full years. So Fisher could transfer to UW...pay for three semesters...and have 2.5 years eligible. (I think)
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The way I understand it he could transfer to UW, but he would have to pay his own way for one year. He could transfer to MU and have a scholarship starting now, if we can use McKay's scholarship.
I don't think we can. Once a scholarship is used, it is done no matter if it is used for a day or the entire year. (I recall this conversation after the TJT transfer.)
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I think since Uthoff paid his own way at Iowa for a year, that he will have three full years. So Fisher could transfer to UW...pay for three semesters...and have 2.5 years eligible. (I think)
Per Andy Katz:
The Big Ten altered its transfer rule within the conference starting in 2011-12 -- before the Bo Ryan - Jarrod Uthoff controversy.
The league is allowing players to receive grant-in-aid, but it is also putting a harsher eligibility penalty in place that takes away a year of play from the transfer.
Chad Hawley, the Big Ten’s associate commissioner of compliance, said Thursday that the rule change was created to prevent penalizing players from receiving scholarship money. But the conference wanted to add a penalty if the player transferred within the conference.
The old rule stated that once a player signed a grant-in-aid agreement at one Big Ten school, he could transfer to a second Big Ten school but would not be allowed to receive any financial aid.
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I don't think we can. Once a scholarship is used, it is done no matter if it is used for a day or the entire year. (I recall this conversation after the TJT transfer.)
Used for the year or the semester?
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Per Andy Katz:
The Big Ten altered its transfer rule within the conference starting in 2011-12 -- before the Bo Ryan - Jarrod Uthoff controversy.
The league is allowing players to receive grant-in-aid, but it is also putting a harsher eligibility penalty in place that takes away a year of play from the transfer.
Chad Hawley, the Big Ten’s associate commissioner of compliance, said Thursday that the rule change was created to prevent penalizing players from receiving scholarship money. But the conference wanted to add a penalty if the player transferred within the conference.
The old rule stated that once a player signed a grant-in-aid agreement at one Big Ten school, he could transfer to a second Big Ten school but would not be allowed to receive any financial aid.
Ah....thank you very much. I stand corrected.
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Used for the year or the semester?
I am about 99% sure it is for the year.
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eat it, mofos. Don't doubt ZFB.
Keefe, I have 6 "toes" on my left foot, but only because my johnson is so big that I have to keep it in my socks for warmth and my shoe for protection.
So big it fits in your sock along with your foot eh?
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I4 boards say he is homesick. Hmmmm.
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Only if he is granted the medical redshirt to wipe out this year. Otherwise it would only be 2.5
2013-14: Play first semester...sit out second
2014-15: Sit out first...play second
Play last two years.
If he wanted to couldn't he Red-shirt all of next year wherever he goes and then have 3 years of eligibility (or 2 if it is UW/B10).
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If he wanted to couldn't he Red-shirt all of next year wherever he goes and then have 3 years of eligibility (or 2 if it is UW/B10).
Yes. I believe so. But he would get good playing time second semester next year.
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Come on home Luke!
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Sic em Buzz. We could use a local 4 star 7 footer on our squad
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eat it, mofos. Don't doubt ZFB.
Keefe, I have 6 "toes" on my left foot, but only because my johnson is so big that I have to keep it in my socks for warmth and my shoe for protection.
The Ordies had to sling an extra 500 pound bomb on the starboard wing to correct the CG list to port
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Does Marquette have a scholarship for him? Aren't there 5 openings and 5 commits for next year? Perhaps Mayo is done after this year?
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Does Marquette have a scholarship for him? Aren't there 5 openings and 5 commits for next year? Perhaps Mayo is done after this year?
Harris isn't official yet. Right now, Hill, Cohen, Pierce, Shaylok are the 4 who have signed the LOI's. Also, if history is an indicator of future, there will be roster transition.
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Does Marquette have a scholarship for him? Aren't there 5 openings and 5 commits for next year? Perhaps Mayo is done after this year?
Plus, I suspect they want to save one for Otule
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Sic em Buzz. We could use a local 4 star 7 footer on our squad
People predicting transfer to Marquette, see last line:
"News just came across the wire that promising Wisconsin big man Luke Fischer is going to pursue a transfer away from Indiana University. My first reaction to this one is, "crap". This is going to hurt the Hoosiers not only in the short term but in the long term as well. Fischer was just starting to show some signs of coming into his own after battling with the inconsistency provided by a shoulder issue.
Fischer, a 6'11" freshman out of Germantown, Wisconsin should have plenty of opportunity to find a school that fits him. He's a typical Wisconsin big man that has great defensive instincts and a solid offensive base on which to build. The guy is very much a winner and despite only playing 10 minutes per game early into the season, figured to offer some high quality protection behind the foul prone Noah Vonleh and Hanner Perea. Now the Hoosiers are going to be vulnerable to a lack of depth on the front line in the Big Ten.
Word on the street is that he was feeling homesick during the fall semester and is looking to find a place a little closer to home. I can relate to that somewhat and feel for the guy. As many of you know I spent two years out in New Jersey at Seton Hall before I transferred to Indiana University. A big chunk of the reason I did so was because of some homesickness. Seton Hall actually offered more for me and what I wanted to do academically than IU could offer, but as Dorothy says there is no place like home.
There are times where you just get a craving for the familiar and no amount of friends or support could make up for that void. So we wish Luke the best of luck as he pursues an institution that can provide him a quality education closer to the familiar. I wouldn't be shocked if he's a Marquette Golden Eagle in the near future."
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So, if he transfers here, he would pay his own way at MU until next season and then have a Scholie(Assuming the usual transfer/Harris not coming)?
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FOR GOD'S SAKE TAKE HIM! We keep all the talent around Milwaukee area and we will have a good team & chemistry. Now if Tokoto and Looney would think that way. Cohen and Noskowiak,
Pritzl and hopefully Stone and Ellenson.
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:o
So, you're saying there's a chance...
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If picking up Fischer means that Stone doesn't come to MU, would you still want Fischer? With Pierce also signed, I don't think there is room for three 7 ft'ers. And do you prefer Fishcer to Harris? My answers to both is yes. A 4-star 7 ft'er in hand is preferable.
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The IU Faithful are indeed restless and sensing an impending Apocalypse... The End of an Era?
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Would love to have him here. Hope he doesn't go to Wisconsin, but I don't know if TC will let him. His dad says homesick....roommate says the same thing. MU was on him early, UW-madison didn't make his final five. I would say us, Creighton, Iowa, or UW-madison but I'm hoping TC tells madison to stick it.
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If he is indeed homesick Creighton or Iowa doesn't solve the problem......
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Thanks for all the clarification on the transfer rules. He does seem like a natural for us. I can envision Crean legitimately saying no to a Madison request but be happy for the young man if Marquette proves to be a good fit.
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Thanks for all the clarification on the transfer rules. He does seem like a natural for us. I can envision Crean legitimately saying no to a Madison request but be happy for the young man if Marquette proves to be a good fit.
Really? Tom Crean's track record of screwing Marquette would suggest otherwise
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Really? Tom Crean's track record of screwing Marquette would suggest otherwise
What have I missed besides him leaving town in the middle of the night?
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If he is indeed homesick Creighton or Iowa doesn't solve the problem......
Iowa would, closer to Germantown than IU is. You are right about Creighton, at least in terms of distance.
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What have I missed besides him leaving town in the middle of the night?
Not having the balls to speak with Fr Wild man-to-man...
ESPN...
The check not written...
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Not having the balls to speak with Fr Wild man-to-man...
ESPN...
The check not written...
Crean did speak to Wild...man to man.
ESPN?
He gave us Buzz. He gave us Dwyane. I'd say the gives vs the screws are still squarely on the gives side of the ledger.
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Crean did speak to Wild...man to man.
ESPN?
He gave us Buzz. He gave us Dwyane. I'd say the gives vs the screws are still squarely on the gives side of the ledger.
C'mon, Chico. The sonuvabitch texted his resignation to Wild who was airborne!
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C'mon, Chico. The sonuvabitch texted his resignation to Wild who was airborne!
Upon his return they met and spoke, man to man. I took your comments to be that he has never spoken to the man, he has.
ESPN?
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Upon his return they met and spoke, man to man. I took your comments to be that he has never spoken to the man, he has.
ESPN?
Dom James, Wes, Jerel, et al got the word on ESPN. Unforgiveable.
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I would be nice to keep this thread on topic and not have it devolve into the same damn people making the same damn arguments.
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the same damn people making the same damn arguments.
Oh, the irony
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Oh, the irony
Hey I see you decided to be dishonest (again) and cut the part out where I mentioned the thread staying on topic.
Not surprising.
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Would love to have him here. Hope he doesn't go to Wisconsin, but I don't know if TC will let him. His dad says homesick....roommate says the same thing. MU was on him early, UW-madison didn't make his final five. I would say us, Creighton, Iowa, or UW-madison but I'm hoping TC tells madison to stick it.
Can TC do that? And even if he can, would he want the PR hit?
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Really? Tom Crean's track record of screwing Marquette would suggest otherwise
He won't let him transfer within the conference. Most coaches would not allow it. I don't believe Crean thinks one second about screwing Marquette. He moved on along time ago. Maybe some of the MU faithful need to do the same.
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What have I missed besides him leaving town in the middle of the night?
Nothing.
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Nothing.
Which is exactly how much money Crean has given the Marquette Soccer Team. In the USAF, a Man's Word is His Bond.
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So, Luke Fischer. Does scoop nation want him if his presence means Stone goes elsewhere?
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I'd take Luke and Henry
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Dom James, Wes, Jerel, et al got the word on ESPN. Unforgiveable.
I see, so you are lumping the same action in together....well, definitely not a good day and if you want to milk it for all its worth, 6 years later definitely seems to be in line
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Can TC do that? And even if he can, would he want the PR hit?
I thought coaches could still dictate conditions of release and transfer. Maybe things have changed. My understanding of the Big Ten rule is the kid could transfer to another Big Ten school but must sit out a year and lose a year of eligibility, but that a coach could still block him.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/58173/big-ten-makes-changes-to-transfer-rule
In terms of PR hit, I'm not sure he cares.
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In terms of PR hit, I'm not sure he cares.
Well, after the Michigan game last year his reputation is pretty much shot so I guess he wouldn't...
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Would be AWESOME if we were able to get him. Lots of PT available for him whenever he can play (and Pierce) right away with Oxtule gone next year.
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If picking up Fischer means that Stone doesn't come to MU, would you still want Fischer?
Fisher would be a junior eligibility when Stone is a freshman. Pierce would be a soph. As many on this board have said Stone has to figure he is good enough to start anywhere. I would think he and Fisher have different playing styles. Fisher could move over to the PF (wasn't he playing some of that at I4). Many programs have 3 center/pfs. I don't think it would necessarily scare off Stone. Who knows if Pierce doesn't seem to be ready as a freshman maybe he redshirts as a soph assuming Stone won't be here all 4 anyway. Lots of options. Good problem to have.
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So, Luke Fischer. Does scoop nation want him if his presence means Stone goes elsewhere?
Didn't even think of that. Maybe Fischer can play the four in a very big lineup at times? He can hold his own on the perimeter. This is assuming we land Stone.
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I'm hoping TC tells madison to stick it.
He most definitely will as much as he can. They HATE each other with a passion. Bo pulled a Wes Welker last year to perfection. Crean hates being called "Tommy" and during a post-game interview last year when the Badgers upset I4, Bo called Crean "Tommy" more than a few times, "Tommy has a great squad. . .", "It's always tough to play at Tommy's place," etc. Conversely, when Crean was at MU everyone knew not to wear red. Crean also wouldn't let Mike Kelley come to shootarounds even when he was just announcing and the opponent wasn't Bucky. I hope the bad blood benefits us. My son told me about Fisher earlier today and I immediately thought, "crap, he's going to go to WI with his buddies Decker and Showalter." It would be huge if we could land him -- I would take him over the chance of landing Stone any day. He is a good defender and runs the floor well -- far superior to Otule IMO.
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Well, after the Michigan game last year his reputation is pretty much shot so I guess he wouldn't...
Was that the one were IU won the Big Ten title on meatchicken's home court? I vaguely remember it....some guy cheating for IU under Sampson now on the meatchicken staff of something? ;)
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Crean's tenure at MU in pictures
(http://i.imgur.com/0GOFm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nPeEk.jpg)
(http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000kBnMx9Y7aV4/s)
PS: Crean didn't talk to MU brass until after this spectacle.
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I don't think blocking a transfer to another B10 school would lead to negative PR.
I thought it was standard procedure to block a kid from transferring to a school in the same conference. The Uthoff negative PR was because Bo blocked not only the B10, but the entire ACC, ISU (for some reason), and I think Florida, too. That was ridiculous.
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Crean's tenure at MU in pictures
Those are good, here are few others...hope we get back there some day
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0309/ny_a_novak2_sy_200.jpg)
(http://espn.go.com/media/ncb/2003/0401/photo/a_crean_i.jpg)
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/dfef4f922c583856fa371d04b3334d12bd5d856d/r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/02/02/crean-wade-4_3.jpg)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_large/hash/ea/4d/1332725502_craig_jones_2.jpg?itok=SJdVPD4T)
(http://media.scout.com/Media/College_Mens_Basketball/508913_Tom-Crean.JPG)
(http://media.scout.com/Media/College_Mens_Basketball/508913_TravisDiener.JPG)
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/marq/graphics/mugrad03-600.jpg)
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eat it, mofos. Don't doubt ZFB.
Keefe, I have 6 "toes" on my left foot, but only because my johnson is so big that I have to keep it in my socks for warmth and my shoe for protection.
To all those with a beef with ZFB, the best way to beat him in a fight is to kick him in the shin. The only trick is to figure out which one.
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How is it possible you guys can't move on? What is it going to take to stop this childish behavior?
I don't know much about Luke, but I agree with the contingent that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I'd hate to miss out on a five star, but college ball seems so hit or miss, I don't see how you pass on a kid where you have DI experience as a barometer.
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Willie! Are you watching?! Buzz is listening to you! We have Pierce coming on board, and now we may get Fischer, a 7' from Europe or somewhere, Ellenson, and Stone! In 2 years we could have 5/13 scholarships to guys 6'9" or taller! Yippee!
I don't think blocking a transfer to another B10 school would lead to negative PR.
I thought it was standard procedure to block a kid from transferring to a school in the same conference. The Uthoff negative PR was because Bo blocked not only the B10, but the entire ACC, ISU (for some reason), and I think Florida, too. That was ridiculous.
Fairly certain he blocked MU as well.
Was that the one were IU won the Big Ten title on meatchicken's home court? I vaguely remember it....some guy cheating for IU under Sampson now on the meatchicken staff of something? ;)
Yeah, then Meatchicken went on to play in a National Championship while Tommy's top ranked Hoosiers lost in the S16. Someone came out on top in that one.
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I think since Uthoff paid his own way at Iowa for a year, that he will have three full years. So Fisher could transfer to UW...pay for three semesters...and have 2.5 years eligible. (I think)
Uthoff will have three full years because he didn't use any eligibility at Wisconsin because he redshirted his year there. So, he still has three years after paying the one year eligibility penalty for transfer within the B10.
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Those are good, here are few others...hope we get back there some day
(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0309/ny_a_novak2_sy_200.jpg)
(http://espn.go.com/media/ncb/2003/0401/photo/a_crean_i.jpg)
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/dfef4f922c583856fa371d04b3334d12bd5d856d/r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/02/02/crean-wade-4_3.jpg)
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_large/hash/ea/4d/1332725502_craig_jones_2.jpg?itok=SJdVPD4T)
(http://media.scout.com/Media/College_Mens_Basketball/508913_Tom-Crean.JPG)
(http://media.scout.com/Media/College_Mens_Basketball/508913_TravisDiener.JPG)
(http://graphics.fansonly.com/schools/marq/graphics/mugrad03-600.jpg)
'twas but a crap shoot, no?
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Harris isn't official yet. Right now, Hill, Cohen, Pierce, Shaylok are the 4 who have signed the LOI's. Also, if history is an indicator of future, there will be roster transition.
Really, Satchel Pierce signed? I saw that he had committed, but I never saw that he actually signed. ESPN has him listed as committed, but not signed.
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Those are good, here are few others...hope we get back there some day
(http://www.muscoop.com/uploads/200708/Al's%20Run_0203_w.JPG)
(http://ksr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/crean-sayanything.jpg)
(http://oi45.tinypic.com/2nkp7y8.jpg)
(http://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/images/users/Grant%20Edgell/tom-crean.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VKbyDWJVkmY/UUxrESl1vRI/AAAAAAAAALU/KAuEsxFrsII/s1600/102712-NCAA-BK-Tom-Crean-HEAD-OF-STATE-DG-PI_20121027155801164_660_320.JPG)
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/03/11/gty-163475430-4_3_r536_c534.jpg?1b79b3da202957124496e3768cfb7b67cdb10c81)
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FOR GOD'S SAKE TAKE HIM! We keep all the talent around Milwaukee area and we will have a good team & chemistry. Now if Tokoto and Looney would think that way. Cohen and Noskowiak,
Pritzl and hopefully Stone and Ellenson.
Pritzl? Is he established as a high major talent yet?
Ellenson? Talent around Milwaukee area? I really hope that the Milwaukee area extends that far.
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Willie! Are you watching?! Buzz is listening to you! We have Pierce coming on board, and now we may get Fischer, a 7' from Europe or somewhere, Ellenson, and Stone! In 2 years we could have 5/13 scholarships to guys 6'9" or taller! Yippee!
If Buzz wants 'em, they must be switchables.
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So, Luke Fischer. Does scoop nation want him if his presence means Stone goes elsewhere?
I would not wait on Stone. Buzz is not waiting on him either. He just offered a center from Europe. So Buzz is planning on having a scholarship available for 2014.
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Look out Comrades, we could start Stone, Ellenson, Fischer, Paige, and Heldt. Big man's game, baby!
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Look out Comrades, we could start Stone, Ellenson, Fischer, Paige, and Heldt. Big man's game, baby!
We need a point guard!
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Why? Seems to be workin' out fine now.
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Why? Seems to be workin' out fine now.
Well, no games lost to condensation, yet.
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Well, no games lost to condensation, yet.
Unlike condescension?
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Well, no games lost to condensation, yet.
Or perspiration
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Apparently a person who covers Indiana sports said that his decision on where he will transfer to could come very soon, and earlier today this source said that he could even choose TODAY (I got this from the Badger board).
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If picking up Fischer means that Stone doesn't come to MU, would you still want Fischer? With Pierce also signed, I don't think there is room for three 7 ft'ers. And do you prefer Fishcer to Harris? My answers to both is yes. A 4-star 7 ft'er in hand is preferable.
Yes, this has been a major problem for us over the years. Too many talented big men.
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Here's hoping we can get Luke to come to MU.
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I just dig the subject title spelling of this thread.
Um, like Fischer is transferring from I4. Like, it would be really cool if he, like, transferred to MU. :P
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Unlike condescension?
Nope, no games lost to that, either. (This year)
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I just dig the subject title spelling of this thread.
Um, like Fischer is transferring from I4. Like, it would be really cool if he, like, transferred to MU. :P
We R Final Four is a Valley Girl.
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Here's the latest update from the Indianapolis Star:
BLOOMINGTON – Luke Fischer's best game in an Indiana uniform turned out to be his last one.
Fischer scored 10 points in 19 minutes, both career highs, in the Hoosiers' non-conference finale Dec. 22 — a blowout win over Kennesaw State.
Eight days later, after one semester in school, Fischer informed IU coach Tom Crean that he's transferring.
"In those types of situations, timing issues can always surprise you, but I can't stand here and say that I was in complete shock," Crean said after practice Monday.
Asked what he meant when he said he wasn't entirely surprised by Fischer's decision, Crean responded, "Well, that's just really my personal opinion. That's what that means."
A little more than a week earlier, Crean had been talking about Fischer's future very differently.
Fischer, a 6-foot-11 freshman center from Germantown, Wis., had solidified himself as Indiana's best post player off the bench. He played his best basketball in the Hoosiers' final non-conference games, looking improved as a scorer, rebounder and defender.
Against Kennesaw State, he shot 4-of-5 from the floor and blocked three shots.
"Luke, he's knocking on the door, right now, of being a really productive player for us," Crean said after that performance.
Monday afternoon, Crean talked about Fischer not as part of a promising future but as someone he now must replace.
"Luke had good potential," Crean said. "There's no doubt about that. But it just creates ... people take advantage of the opportunity. That's all you can really ask for. Time doesn't wait for anybody. You've just got to go. That's where we're at."
Fischer played in 13 games at IU, averaging 2.8 points and 2.1 rebounds per game. He averaged 10 minutes per game. He missed much of the preseason with a torn labrum in his left shoulder. He said it wasn't a coincidence that his production improved after he was able to remove the shoulder brace he wore after the injury.
"The brace really restricted how high I could raise my arm," Fischer said.
Fischer committed to Indiana on New Year's Day 2012, on an unofficial visit to Bloomington. He picked the Hoosiers over Boston College, Creighton, Marquette and Iowa, among others.
"We'll miss his potential. We'll miss him as a person," Crean said. "He did an outstanding job here academically. He's an excellent young man."
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Yes, this has been a major problem for us over the years. Too many talented big men.
Yea, it has been many years since Jimmy Chones, Larry McNeill, Maurice Lucas, Bo Ellis, Jerome Whitehead...
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Assuming homesickness is the reason and that TC blocks the Big 10, that leaves us as pretty much the only logical choice. C'mon Luke, head on home to Milwaukee!
As for the sentitiments about Fischer chasing off Stone, I don't think a top 5 player in the country should worry much about a 4 star being in front of him on the depth chart. Besides, Fischer could play the 4 while Stone takes the 5.
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I would welcome Luke to MU with open arms!
With Otule and Davante leaving this year, the frontcourt minutes are open!
Steve is progressing but will be more of a 3/4 than Luke's 4/5.
Juan will be a 3/4 as well.
Other than Satch and possibly Diamond, no other 4/5 has D-1 experience.
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I wouldn't get my hopes up for Fischer to enroll at MU. Just a feeling.
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I agree, Ted. It would make sense, but I'm not feeling it.
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Maybe Wardle books a winner?
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Maybe Wardle books a winner?
He does have a 7-foot traditional projected in the draft.
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I think he ends up at Wisconsin,. but again, just a feeling and I don't know anything.
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I think he ends up at Wisconsin,. but again, just a feeling and I don't know anything.
Not saying your gut is wrong, but how are you rationalizing the add'l loss of eligibility from a intra-Big? transfer?
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Who's Like Fischer?
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Who's Like Fischer?
I just assumed this thread was started by an 80s valley girl who left out the comma and it should read, "Like, Fischer is transferring."
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I like totally changed like the thread name or whatever to say Luke, not like......mmmmmkkkkkk?
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I agree, Ted. It would make sense, but I'm not feeling it.
It is interesting that many badger posters are pessimistic about him transferring to UW, the next most likely candidate (despite the potentially prohibitive transfer rules). I guess rumors about a quick transfer announcement, without any such rumors about the destination, doesn't make anyone confident on this one.
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It is interesting that many badger posters are pessimistic about him transferring to UW, the next most likely candidate (despite the potentially prohibitive transfer rules). I guess rumors about a quick transfer announcement, without any such rumors about the destination, doesn't make anyone confident on this one.
My feeling is Green Bay. I think the loss of a year of eligibility is the stopper for the Badgers. Plus, IIRC, they may not have a scholarship to give.
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My feeling is Green Bay. I think the loss of a year of eligibility is the stopper for the Badgers. Plus, IIRC, they may not have a scholarship to give.
Very interesting. I presume that's your gut because the relationship with Wardle trumps any concern about playing in the Horizon League?
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Very interesting. I presume that's your gut because the relationship with Wardle trumps any concern about playing in the Horizon League?
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My feeling is Green Bay. I think the loss of a year of eligibility is the stopper for the Badgers. Plus, IIRC, they may not have a scholarship to give.
I think this makes a lot of sense assuming we cannot use McKay's scholarship. I know people here have argued we cannot, but I am assuming that McKay is now enrolled at Iowa St and it does not make sense that his forfeited scholarship cannot be used. Maybe it is something MU can ask a waiver for. I have no idea, but I do not think anyone here really knows for sure. My first thought was that Germantown players go to UW. However, he did not appear to ever be interested in UW. Adding to that was the fact that his family liked Crean, which means they must of been following MU when Crean was here turns this into an MU lean for me. There are only two reasons he does not go to MU. First would be that Buzz has no interest. The second would be there be that there is no scholarship and the Fischer's are not willing to pay for a semester.
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Homesickness is for hairy, wet cats.
Pass.
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Buzz has been interested in bigs with far less talent than Luke. This call will be entirely Fischer's.
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I think he would be a good fit at MU, Buzz can let him have McKay's scholarship, 1/2 hour drive from home, etc. But I don't know the kid, his family, or what he is looking for. Wardle has developed one 7 footer to near NBA levels. Maybe he wants less stress, less pressure and more time to develop away from the microscope. Every kid is different. I am hoping he comes to MU, but for some reason, I am just not overly optimistic.
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You may be right. But from a non-basketball standpoint the chance to get a full ride to Marquette as opposed to a full ride to UW-GB in most peoples minds would be a no brainer. Luke is a pretty smart kid and it just seems to me that going to GB would be "settling".
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Homesickness is for hairy, wet cats.
Pass.
Maybe Fischer is using "homesickness" so he doesn't have to come right out and say "Creansickness."
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Not sure it matters but a lot of Hoosiers here in Indiana are talking like he is going to transfer to MU.
I wasn't aware of this until our IT guy, who's an IU grad, asked me about Luke. He said he is transferring from IU and it sounded like MU was/is high on his list.
I think if Buzz is interested we have a high probability of landing him. If we get him and Stone then we always buzz cut someone... ;)
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Not sure it matters but a lot of Hoosiers here in Indiana are talking like he is going to transfer to MU.
I wasn't aware of this until our IT guy, who's an IU grad, asked me about Luke. He said he is transferring from IU and it sounded like MU was/is high on his list.
I think if Buzz is interested we have a high probability of landing him. If we get him and Stone then we always buzz cut someone... ;)
A.B.R.!
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Maybe Fischer is using "homesickness" so he doesn't have to come right out and say "Creansickness."
IMO, take the kid at his word. I am reluctant to throw stones at Coach Crean on this one because MU has experienced enough of this, both under Coach Crean and under Buzz for me to feel that 18 year olds have a million reasons to leave and the coach may or may not be one of them. So I give Crean a pass here. Now, that doesn't change my opinion of his coaching abilities, in game adjustments, how he treats underlings, etc. It just means that IMO, sometimes it can be as simple as not being comfortable being far away from home. I am guessing that many here experienced it to varying degrees during their freshmen year. (guilty!)
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Would be an ideal pick up for us. I don't hold my breath in these situations but it would be a great fit. If we don't have room then I'm sure someone else will not get their paperwork in order.
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I think he ends up at Wisconsin,. but again, just a feeling and I don't know anything.
Wisconsin didn't even make Fischer's final 5 out of HS.
Plus, TC hates Bo Ryan and UW. He will block that transfer.
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Maybe Fischer is using "homesickness" so he doesn't have to come right out and say "Creansickness."
Definitely possible, though on one of the premium IU boards (where actual IU fans post and not PU, UK and MU fans as IU fans ;) ) they were saying Fischer's mom frequently in town, he's been hunkered down for the semester, etc, etc. As one poster put it, they weren't overly surprised when looking back on things. Having a coach that is in your face a lot, probably doesn't help. Who knows....hope he decides to come home and attend MU. He's a good player with a lot of upside.
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Definitely possible, though on one of the premium IU boards (where actual IU fans post and not PU, UK and MU fans as IU fans ;) ) they were saying Fischer's mom frequently in town, he's been hunkered down for the semester, etc, etc. As one poster put it, they weren't overly surprised when looking back on things. Having a coach that is in your face a lot, probably doesn't help. Who knows....hope he decides to come home and attend MU. He's a good player with a lot of upside.
Stop it. Stop it! You just gave me a flashback to that player who made the complaint against Wardle.
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Definitely possible, though on one of the premium IU boards (where actual IU fans post and not PU, UK and MU fans as IU fans ;) ) they were saying Fischer's mom frequently in town, he's been hunkered down for the semester, etc, etc. As one poster put it, they weren't overly surprised when looking back on things. Having a coach that is in your face a lot, probably doesn't help. Who knows....hope he decides to come home and attend MU. He's a good player with a lot of upside.
Does that board think he'll go to MU or what are they saying?
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Can anyone say, with any degree of certainty, if we are able to hand out McKay's scholarship for the 2nd semester?
This may be the deciding factor in whether Luke ends up at MU.
Next year will take care of itself, but we (along with other schools) may not have a 'ship to give for the 2nd semester this year.
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Can anyone say, with any degree of certainty, if we are able to hand out McKay's scholarship for the 2nd semester?
This may be the deciding factor in whether Luke ends up at MU.
It seems as though the consensus is that he CANNOT use McKay's scholarship, but I do not believe that has been definitively confirmed or denied.
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Does that board think he'll go to MU or what are they saying?
Most think he'll go to MU or Iowa State. None of them want him to go to UW-madison, but some think he will and that IU will take the high road and let him if he wishes. Who knows.
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Crean will block all Big 10 schools. Take that to the bank.
(Unless he wants to pay his own way, like Uthoff did.)
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Can anyone say, with any degree of certainty, if we are able to hand out McKay's scholarship for the 2nd semester?
This may be the deciding factor in whether Luke ends up at MU.
My gut feeling is no, but I also think MU might be able to ask for a waiver. The rule is there to prevent coaches from taking a scholarship away. However, I would think there should be an exception when a player leaves and accepts a scholarship at another school. Why should McKay be allowed to get a scholarship at Iowa St and still have a claim on his scholarship at MU?
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Crean will block all Big 10 schools. Take that to the bank.
He might....it would be funny if the kid wanted to go to UW-madison and then the Vadger fans would cry bloody murder that TC wouldn't let him go there. The irony would be amazingly delicious, but nothing new for what I would argue is the most hypocritical college fan base on the planet.
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Is there a chance that Crean would let him go to Bucky just to screw Marquette?
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it is more likely that he would let Fischer go to MU just to screw Bo.
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It seems as though the consensus is that he CANNOT use McKay's scholarship, but I do not believe that has been definitively confirmed or denied.
without some kind of waiver or exception from the NC2A, McKay's scholarship is unavailable for this school year.
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it is more likely that he would let Fischer go to MU just to screw Bo.
Seems logical.
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Having a coach that is in your face a lot, probably doesn't help.
Buzz will take it easy on him.
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Most think he'll go to MU or Iowa State. None of them want him to go to UW-madison, but some think he will and that IU will take the high road and let him if he wishes. Who knows.
Germantown to Ames is 5 hrs 40 min per Google Maps.
Germantown to Bloomington is 5 hrs 31 min per Google Maps.
Iowa State would kinda shoot the homesickness thing out of the water. I could see MU, one of the UW schools or perhaps a Chicago-area school....
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I think we can apply a pretty loose definition for "homesickness" here. ;)
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Germantown to Ames is 5 hrs 40 min per Google Maps.
Germantown to Bloomington is 5 hrs 31 min per Google Maps.
Iowa State would kinda shoot the homesickness thing out of the water. I could see MU, one of the UW schools or perhaps a Chicago-area school....
True, of course it's not always that cut and dry either. Home sickness can also be overcome with relatives in the area, as well. You can go to a school twice as far away but if you have family there, it changes the equation. My family, for example, did a lot of business in the Milwaukee Chicago Fon Du Lac area so going to MU, even though I knew no one at MU, it was pretty cool because there were a few visits from family on business trips that doubled up on me seeing them more often than just Christmas holiday. That kind of stuff.
I think it will be MU or UW-madison, but who knows. As for Connie's comments...may be accurate. Usually it is never one thing, but a culmination of things. Any MU fan should know that more than anyone after all the transfers here in the last 15 years.
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My feeling is Green Bay. I think the loss of a year of eligibility is the stopper for the Badgers. Plus, IIRC, they may not have a scholarship to give.
Would make a ton of sense - none of the issues the intra-conference transfer brings, I think they have a spot for him so none of the potentially paying his own way, close enough to home, need Alec Brown's successor to step in immediately to make a run next year, especially with only losing one other contributor if Sykes sticks around.
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WHAT IS I4'S RPI?!!?!!??!
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Germantown to Ames is 5 hrs 40 min per Google Maps.
Germantown to Bloomington is 5 hrs 31 min per Google Maps.
Iowa State would kinda shoot the homesickness thing out of the water. I could see MU, one of the UW schools or perhaps a Chicago-area school....
BTW, I think his family moved to the Wisconsin Rapids area for his mom's job. He is an only child.
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Would make a ton of sense - none of the issues the intra-conference transfer brings, I think they have a spot for him so none of the potentially paying his own way, close enough to home, need Alec Brown's successor to step in immediately to make a run next year, especially with only losing one other contributor if Sykes sticks around.
Except for the fact that he is a top 100 prospect with likely NBA aspirations and UWGB and the Horizon League really isn't the path to get there.
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WHAT IS I4'S RPI?!!?!!??!
89 before today's OT loss at Illinois
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BTW, I think his family moved to the Wisconsin Rapids area for his mom's job. He is an only child.
Then Terry Porter's alma mater, UW-SP, would make the most sense.
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Then Terry Porter's alma mater, UW-SP, would make the most sense.
UW-marathon county
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Sounds like Creighton, Marquette and Butler have inquired about Fischer from the Big East along with pretty much every other conference. I know Creighton recruited him pretty hard out of high school.
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Sounds like Creighton, Marquette and Butler have inquired about Fischer from the Big East along with pretty much every other conference. I know Creighton recruited him pretty hard out of high school.
Reel em in Buzz.
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Does he have to make a decision before school starts to be eligible next December? If so, that means he has to make a decision in the next 2 weeks.
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My gut feeling is that it will be UW. Only thing possibly slowing it down are ramifications from intra-conference transfer.
Also if this situation were different we would be hearing about how Buzz ran off George Marshall so that he could bring in Fischer and that clearly we were tampering all along...
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My gut feeling is that it will be UW. Only thing possibly slowing it down are ramifications from intra-conference transfer.
Also if this situation were different we would be hearing about how Buzz ran off George Marshall so that he could bring in Fischer and that clearly we were tampering all along...
UW wasn't in his top 5 coming out of HS. Things can change but Fischer cut them pretty quickly. I think many of us our jumping to UW simply because he is a white boy from Germantown.
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UW wasn't in his top 5 coming out of HS. Things can change but Fischer cut them pretty quickly. I think many of us our jumping to UW simply because he is a white boy from Germantown.
There are more connections than that. He played AAU on the Wisconsin Swing with the likes of Bronson Koenig. He played for Schowalter at Germantown, who played for Bo and whose son currently is a walk on at UW.
There are actually some pretty strong connections to UW that frankly MU doesn't replicate.
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There are more connections than that. He played AAU on the Wisconsin Swing with the likes of Bronson Koenig. He played for Schowalter at Germantown, who played for Bo and whose son currently is a walk on at UW.
There are actually some pretty strong connections to UW that frankly MU doesn't replicate.
2 words: Wes Matthews. I have long since given up trying to figure out the logic of adolescent thinking.
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2 words: Wes Matthews. I have long since given up trying to figure out the logic of adolescent thinking.
Oh I agree. I think he could end up at MU. But the idea that he is linked more with UW because he is white and from Germantown is just false.
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Oh I agree. I think he could end up at MU. But the idea that he is linked more with UW because he is white and from Germantown is just false.
I hope he comes to Marquette. We could use a dose of good news now.
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I have long since given up trying to figure out the logic of adolescent thinking.
But you still visit Scoop?
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But you still visit Scoop?
Can't beat 'em?? Join 'em!
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Mark Miller
@WisBBYearbook
As expected, the race to get Indiana transfer Luke Fischer is intense. Wisconsin, Marquette, Nebraska, Minnesota, Arizona, Florida ...
Butler, Creighton, Memphis, Miami, Drake, Milwaukee, Green Bay, Iowa, Colorado, Ill. State, Ball State, Wake Forest and others involved.
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Luke Fischer @Bigfishy44 4m
Out of respect for coach Crean and Indiana university I will not be considering any big 10 schools during this process
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If we nab Fischer does that mean Harris might be out?
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If we nab Fischer does that mean Harris might be out?
Or someone.
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My gut feeling is that it will be UW. Only thing possibly slowing it down are ramifications from intra-conference transfer.
Also if this situation were different we would be hearing about how Buzz ran off George Marshall so that he could bring in Fischer and that clearly we were tampering all along...
Luke Fischer @Bigfishy44 4m
Out of respect for coach Crean and Indiana university I will not be considering any big 10 schools during this process
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Glad I was wrong on that one. Improves our chance a good bit. It'll be interesting to see if he gives serious consideration to UWGB and UWM.
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I just hope the paying for a semester's tuition wouldn't be an issue. If it is, I think that UWM or UWGB could definitely be contenders.
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Like just tweeted no Big 25 schools are being considered as transfer locations.
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Like just tweeted no Big 25 schools are being considered as transfer locations.
Someone had a rough time time typing on their Iphone
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I just hope the paying for a semester's tuition wouldn't be an issue. If it is, I think that UWM or UWGB could definitely be contenders.
The Peegs board has been speculating that hell head to butler. they had a scholarship open recently so would have a scholarship next semester.
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The Peegs board has been speculating that hell head to butler. they had a scholarship open recently so would have a scholarship next semester.
I guess that would indicate he was not homesick.
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If we nab Fischer does that mean Harris might be out?
Buzz was already trying to sign a center for 2014.
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The Peegs board has been speculating that hell head to butler. they had a scholarship open recently so would have a scholarship next semester.
Isn't the IU Peegs board a front organization for Marquette, Kentucky and Purdue? Why are they even discussing Luke Fischer there?
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I guess that would indicate he was not homesick.
The kid's from Wisconsin.... you can't get much closer to home outside Wisconsin than Broadripple. The only thing Bloomington resembles in the state of Wisconsin is Madison.
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The Peegs board has been speculating that hell head to butler. they had a scholarship open recently so would have a scholarship next semester.
How did Butler's scholarship open up recently? If someone left during the school year, it's considered used for the year and Fischer can't have it for 2nd semester, similar to McKay's here.
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I guess that would indicate he was not homesick.
Homesickness isn't simply about being close to home. It is about being comfortable where you are. He may have never felt comfortable at IU...which caused him to be homesick. He may very well feel comfortable at Butler....or Marquette...or New Mexico State...and he would not be homesick.
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I don't have a good feeling about this because other than Trent, it seems very rare that we're able to get this type of impact transfer. That said, Buzz needs to get Luke Fischer back home at Marquette!
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I don't have a good feeling about this because other than Trent, it seems very rare that we're able to get this type of impact transfer. That said, Buzz needs to get Luke Fischer back home at Marquette!
Jamil Wilson?
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How did Butler's scholarship open up recently? If someone left during the school year, it's considered used for the year and Fischer can't have it for 2nd semester, similar to McKay's here.
They have one walk-on on scholarship, one entirely open from a player leaving last year and his spot not replaced, and then another open from someone leaving during this season (like McKay). So however its accounted, Butler would have between 1, 2, or 3 grants available for the 2nd semester.
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I don't have a good feeling about this because other than Trent, it seems very rare that we're able to get this type of impact transfer. That said, Buzz needs to get Luke Fischer back home at Marquette!
Probably because most transfers think they're better than they are. For every Rodney Hood there's 20 Erik Williams.
Do you not consider Jucos as transfers? Similar.
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I think if Fischer were comin' to MU, we'd know it by now.
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I think if Fischer were comin' to MU, we'd know it by now.
Why? If he was coming, the conservation would have between Buzz and Fisher. Who would have leaked it?
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Why? If he was coming, the conservation would have between Buzz and Fisher. Who would have leaked it?
Well, if they were truly conserving, there shouldn't be a leak. :)
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Basically, Luke has 2 weeks to transfer. My opinion is most transfers have a location in mind prior to announcin'. Someone on this board either knows someone, knows the family, or would have seen him on campus or at the Al.
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Basically, Luke has 2 weeks to transfer. My opinion is most transfers have a location in mind prior to announcin'. Someone on this board either knows someone, knows the family, or would have seen him on campus or at the Al.
He would not need to come to campus. Buzz would go see him.
Anyone on the Fischer house?
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I don't have a good feeling about this because other than Trent, it seems very rare that we're able to get this type of impact transfer. That said, Buzz needs to get Luke Fischer back home at Marquette!
Reel em in Buzz
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Basically, Luke has 2 weeks to transfer. My opinion is most transfers have a location in mind prior to announcin'. Someone on this board either knows someone, knows the family, or would have seen him on campus or at the Al.
I'm sure you could get someone to say that they know a guy who's ex-girlfriend knows Fischer and she overheard him say it was definitely Marquette. My point is that rumors mean nothing until he makes an announcement the fact that we don't know for sure doesn't mean anything either. If he has already decided on another school we would just as likely know about that by now too.
Bottom line is that if he wants to be closer to home, we should be the leader. We desparately need a big man and the scholarship situation will work itself out like it always does. If he goes elsewhere we screwed it up somehow.
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Is there any reason why he would need to enroll this semester? Assuming his grades were fine, is there anything stopping him from taking a semester off, going home, and coming to MU in the fall without having to pay? Also, what would the rules be for that? Could he still show up to the al every once in a while to play with the guys and future recruits?
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Is there any reason why he would need to enroll this semester? Assuming his grades were fine, is there anything stopping him from taking a semester off, going home, and coming to MU in the fall without having to pay? Also, what would the rules be for that? Could he still show up to the al every once in a while to play with the guys and future recruits?
That would just delay his eligibility. Need to be in residence for a full school year at the new school to gain eligibility to play.
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If he goes elsewhere we screwed it up somehow.
I don't think you can jump to that conclusion. He may feel that his style of play fits better at a place like School A. He may click more with the coach at School B. He may not have to pay a semester at School C.
This is not Marquette's recruitment to lose.
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That would just delay his eligibility. Need to be in residence for a full school year at the new school to gain eligibility to play.
It would delay his eligibility, but it would still give him 3 full years of eligibility after he started, instead of 2.5 if he enrolls immediately and starts playing 2nd Semester next year.
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It would delay his eligibility, but it would still give him 3 full years of eligibility after he started, instead of 2.5 if he enrolls immediately and starts playing 2nd Semester next year.
I would think it unlikely any player would want to wait until the fall of 2015 to play to gain back 1/2 year of eligibility.
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I don't think you can jump to that conclusion. He may feel that his style of play fits better at a place like School A. He may click more with the coach at School B. He may not have to pay a semester at School C.
This is not Marquette's recruitment to lose.
All true and my comment may have been a bit strong, but to me homesick means "I want to be close to my home / family". Schools A, B and C won't be closer than Marquette.
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I don't have a good feeling about this because other than Trent, it seems very rare that we're able to get this type of impact transfer. That said, Buzz needs to get Luke Fischer back home at Marquette!
Dan Fitzgerald?
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Dan Fitzgerald?
And, Jamil Wilson.....
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I think Buzz is so worried about what combinations should be on the floor, that he is getting badly outcoached.
We don't really have much talent. Looks like Gardner isn't putting out 100%, Mayo is all "me", De. Wilson should have stuck to football, Don't what to say about Taylor. Was highly regarded what. Jury is out on Dawson. Team looks like Dukiet days.
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All true and my comment may have been a bit strong, but to me homesick means "I want to be close to my home / family". Schools A, B and C won't be closer than Marquette.
But as I have said, homesickness is more about where you are now than really wanting to be home. He could go to Texas and not feel homesick if he is in the right environment...and he could come to Marquette and be more miserable than he was at IU.
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I would think it unlikely any player would want to wait until the fall of 2015 to play to gain back 1/2 year of eligibility.
I agree, especially a player like Fischer who likely has aspirations to play professionally after college.
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But as I have said, homesickness is more about where you are now than really wanting to be home. He could go to Texas and not feel homesick if he is in the right environment...and he could come to Marquette and be more miserable than he was at IU.
All true...but how would he know that a different place far from home is "the right environment" to prevent him from getting homesick again? If he wants the highest odds of not dealing with homesickness at school #2, he'll stay closer to home, not move further from it.
Obviously, MU or another school aren't his only choices, but they would certainly make the most sense given the homesickness explanation.
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FWIW Mark Miller has a laundry list of schools that are interested in Fischer.
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But as I have said, homesickness is more about where you are now than really wanting to be home. He could go to Texas and not feel homesick if he is in the right environment...and he could come to Marquette and be more miserable than he was at IU.
I saw that, which is why I said "to me" homesick means... In any case, homesickness is depression about being away from your family or home. It is true that in a different situation, he may not have the same depression despite still being away from home. Similarly, if you are hungry you can do other things besides eating that will make you less hungry, but the most direct way to address the issue is to eat.
He is apparently homesick and likely realized that he is not going to get a lot of playing time at IU as long as Vonleh is around. MU can address both of those issues pretty clearly. If he had come out and said that he is looking for a certain style of play, type of coach, or tuition situation and we could not address those concerns that would be a different situation. I'm sure he is considering many factors that only he knows, but when we do get a transfer there is typically a connection to the georgraphic area (Jamil, Trent, Fitzgerald) which is why you would expect us to have a pretty good shot here, especially with the B10 ruled out.
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I would think it unlikely any player would want to wait until the fall of 2015 to play to gain back 1/2 year of eligibility.
I am not sure that he does. Play 1/2 year next year and then two full years which is 2 1/2 years. I am not sure, but I think he could play the first semester of the year after that. However, most coaches do not want a player for only the fall semester. They rather have a new recruit for a full year.
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I am not sure that he does. Play 1/2 year next year and then two full years which is 2 1/2 years. I am not sure, but I think he could play the first semester of the year after that. However, most coaches do not want a player for only the fall semester. They rather have a new recruit for a full year.
his eligibility is up after the 2 full years. no fall season his 5th year. that's why mid year transfers are dumb, you essentially give up a year.
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I am not sure that he does. Play 1/2 year next year and then two full years which is 2 1/2 years. I am not sure, but I think he could play the first semester of the year after that. However, most coaches do not want a player for only the fall semester. They rather have a new recruit for a full year.
There are no half-years eligibility-wise. Even if he plays just 1 game during that season, it counts as a full year towards his eligibility. He played this year, so that burns his first year of eligibility. If he plays 2nd semester next year, that burns his second year, and he would only have 2 years remaining.
As mentioned above, he could theoretically sit out all next year and wait until Fall 2015 and have 3 full years left, but who knows if he wants to sit out that long. There are also medical waivers like Otule, but that's a different situation.
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FWIW Mark Miller has a laundry list of schools that are interested in Fischer.
And? Did he share them?
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.and he could come to Marquette and be more miserable than he was at IU.
Sure he could.........but it wouldn't be called homesickness.
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And? Did he share them?
Wisconsin, Marquette, Nebraska, Minnesota, Arizona, Florida, Butler, Creighton, Memphis, Miami, Drake, Milwaukee, Green Bay, Iowa, Colorado, Ill. State, Ball State, Wake Forest and others involved.
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Sure he could.........but it wouldn't be called homesickness.
Well, since his family is no longer in the Milwaukee area, it most certainly could be.
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Wisconsin, Marquette, Nebraska, Minnesota, Arizona, Florida, Butler, Creighton, Memphis, Miami, Drake, Milwaukee, Green Bay, Iowa, Colorado, Ill. State, Ball State, Wake Forest and others involved.
FTFY, Fischer eliminated all B1G schools.
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I don't think you can jump to that conclusion. He may feel that his style of play fits better at a place like School A. He may click more with the coach at School B. He may not have to pay a semester at School C.
This is not Marquette's recruitment to lose.
...or it could be as simple as an inability to recruit quality bigs.
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Well, since his family is no longer in the Milwaukee area, it most certainly could be.
Yeah, I am sure he is longing for Wisconsin Rapids and his new 'home' cuz his mom got a job there.
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Jamil Wilson?
Haaa... good point. Forgot about him transferring from Oregon. Given how's he played this year, I'm not sure he's been the impact player we expected after last year.
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Yeah, I am sure he is longing for Wisconsin Rapids and his new 'home' cuz his mom got a job there.
Well, his parents are there. That is a pretty big part of "home."
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Dan Fitzgerald?
I definitely wouldn't define Fitz as an impact transfer. He had his moments but not a PTP'er.
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Well, since his family is no longer in the Milwaukee area, it most certainly could be.
Two and a half hour drive from Milwaukee is more the Milwaukee "area" than any other hoops school.
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Yeah, I am sure he is longing for Wisconsin Rapids and his new 'home' cuz his mom got a job there.
You underestimate the financial and emotional dependencies the millennial generation has on their parents.
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Well, his parents are there. That is a pretty big part of "home."
You are all over the map on this one Sultan. UW-Marathon County it is.
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I definitely wouldn't define Fitz as an impact transfer. He had his moments but not a PTP'er.
What about Robert Jackson?
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What about Robert Jackson?
What about David Boone.
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...or it could be as simple as an inability to recruit quality bigs.
Still on this one? Serious question...what is the problem with this year's team? Is it our front court?
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Wisconsin, Marquette, Nebraska, Minnesota, Arizona, Florida, Butler, Creighton, Memphis, Miami, Drake, Milwaukee, Green Bay, Iowa, Colorado, Ill. State, Ball State, Wake Forest and others involved.
Also Texas, Vanderbilt, Oregon St, Pitt, St Louis, George Washington, and Valpo.
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What about David Boone.
And Jerry Homan
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I definitely wouldn't define Fitz as an impact transfer. He had his moments but not a PTP'er.
Having said which, wouldn't Dan Fitzgerald look great on the court for us today?
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Sounds like a decision could come this weekend. This would make me think that he would choose a place he is familiar with aka a place he has been recruited by in the past which should give Creighton and Marquette a leg up.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/01/02/schools-reach-out-to-6-11-iu-transfer-fischer/4294493/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/01/02/schools-reach-out-to-6-11-iu-transfer-fischer/4294493/)
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Still on this one? Serious question...what is the problem with this year's team? Is it our front court?
Agreed--but we are not getting a lot down low either, and those guys will be gone. By the way, what quality big has Buzz recruited? And you can't count Mbao, Roseboro and Durley either.
And since you do admit that our backcourt is a problem--whose responsibility is that--they are all Buzz boys?
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Buzz recruited both bigs on this years team.....Do they count? We have a 7 footer coming in next year who had an offer from Pitt and who has a nice skill set. Sure he is not yet proven but he is no Mbao or Durley I can tell you that.
Yes the guard play this year is weak and if you want to blame Buzz go ahead but are you really going to complain about a coach the recruited and coached all of the players who got us to 2 sweet 16s and an elite 8 in the last 3 years along with a Big East Championship and a 2nd place finish?
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Walter Downing!?!
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Agreed--but we are not getting a lot down low either, and those guys will be gone. By the way, what quality big has Buzz recruited? And you can't count Mbao, Roseboro and Durley either.
And since you do admit that our backcourt is a problem--whose responsibility is that--they are all Buzz boys?
Not a single good recruit.
Zero NCAA tourney success.
No players advancing to the next level.
Dances too much on opponents' courts.
Too effen bald.
willie is right.
Fire Buzz.
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Buzz recruited both bigs on this years team.....Do they count? We have a 7 footer coming in next year who had an offer from Pitt and who has a nice skill set. Sure he is not yet proven but he is no Mbao or Durley I can tell you that.
Yes the guard play this year is weak and if you want to blame Buzz go ahead but are you really going to complain about a coach the recruited and coached all of the players who got us to 2 sweet 16s and an elite 8 in the last 3 years along with a Big East Championship and a 2nd place finish?
How we doing right now?
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How we doing right now?
Is your contention that Buzz isn't a good coach and should be fired or are you just ragging on the people who say in Buzz I trust?
The team is struggling right now and it's starting to look like we will miss the NCAA tournament. However, I do believe in Buzz going forward and that he will learn a valuable lesson from not being able to get certain types of players in recruiting (3-point shooters and centers). I think he's already rectified the shooting concerns with the players he already has coming to Marquette and he has plenty of chances for some very good bigs in the near future with the likes of Fischer, Stone, Ellenson, and Heldt. If he can't land any of those Wisconsinites I will start to ask more questions about his ability to take the program to the next level.
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Walter Downing!?!
Odell Ball
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Is your contention that Buzz isn't a good coach and should be fired or are you just ragging on the people who say in Buzz I trust?
The team is struggling right now and it's starting to look like we will miss the NCAA tournament. However, I do believe in Buzz going forward and that he will learn a valuable lesson from not being able to get certain types of players in recruiting (3-point shooters and centers). I think he's already rectified the shooting concerns with the players he already has coming to Marquette and he has plenty of chances for some very good bigs in the near future with the likes of Fischer, Stone, Ellenson, and Heldt. If he can't land any of those Wisconsinites I will start to ask more questions about his ability to take the program to the next level.
Wisconsinites are great and all, but MU's campus is 90 miles from downtown Chicago. I really wish we had the monopoly on Chicago recruiting so that when a high-major recruit from there thinks to himself "I want to stay close to home" Marquette is the first school that comes to his head.
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Is your contention that Buzz isn't a good coach and should be fired or are you just ragging on the people who say in Buzz I trust?
The team is struggling right now and it's starting to look like we will miss the NCAA tournament. However, I do believe in Buzz going forward and that he will learn a valuable lesson from not being able to get certain types of players in recruiting (3-point shooters and centers). I think he's already rectified the shooting concerns with the players he already has coming to Marquette and he has plenty of chances for some very good bigs in the near future with the likes of Fischer, Stone, Ellenson, and Heldt. If he can't land any of those Wisconsinites I will start to ask more questions about his ability to take the program to the next level.
willie is a joyless mope who loves to hear himself whine.
Don't look for rhyme nor reason in his posts.
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Sounds like a decision could come this weekend. This would make me think that he would choose a place he is familiar with aka a place he has been recruited by in the past which should give Creighton and Marquette a leg up.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/01/02/schools-reach-out-to-6-11-iu-transfer-fischer/4294493/ (http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2014/01/02/schools-reach-out-to-6-11-iu-transfer-fischer/4294493/)
The 15-paragraph story in the link doesn't even mention Marquette. I hope that's not a bad sign. Anyway, it sounds like we'll know within a couple days and then we can move on, one way or another.
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The 15-paragraph story in the link doesn't even mention Marquette. I hope that's not a bad sign. Anyway, it sounds like we'll know within a couple days and then we can move on, one way or another.
Most "journalism" today is just writers summarizing what they've read on twitter from people actually breaking stories.
For the author to leave out one of the most eligible schools from the list is probably just a mistake or laziness. "Closer to home" hardly means Omaha, Nebraska.
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The 15-paragraph story in the link doesn't even mention Marquette. I hope that's not a bad sign. Anyway, it sounds like we'll know within a couple days and then we can move on, one way or another.
Marquette is very much involved. My understanding is that this came out of nowhere and is leaving a lot of people scrambling to figure out where this guy fits in people's plans, why he is leaving IU, etc.
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The 15-paragraph story in the link doesn't even mention Marquette. I hope that's not a bad sign. Anyway, it sounds like we'll know within a couple days and then we can move on, one way or another.
I'm not sure if that was intended to be a comprehensive report or anything, but simply an update of the initial activity for a player transferring from Indiana University. Marquette being left out probably means absolutely nothing. If it does, Id guess, it is just because of the lack of a scholarship. It doesn't seem very likely that someone with a variety of options would be willing to pay his way even if it was for a semester.
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I'm not sure if that was intended to be a comprehensive report or anything, but simply an update of the initial activity for a player transferring from Indiana University. Marquette being left out probably means absolutely nothing. If it does, Id guess, it is just because of the lack of a scholarship. It doesn't seem very likely that someone with a variety of options would be willing to pay his way even if it was for a semester.
Good point, Zephyr. I know I sure as hell wouldn't pay my own way to School A if I had Schools B through Q clamoring to give me a full ride.
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"Closer to home" hardly means Omaha, Nebraska.
Whoa, Whoa its an extremely quick 8 hour, 500 mile quick stroll up 94 to 12/18 to 151 to 380 to 80 to 29
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Whoa, Whoa its an extremely quick 8 hour, 500 mile quick stroll up 94 to 12/18 to 151 to 380 to 80 to 29
You must have been a fan of The Californians on SNL.
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Is your contention that Buzz isn't a good coach and should be fired or are you just ragging on the people who say in Buzz I trust?
The team is struggling right now and it's starting to look like we will miss the NCAA tournament. However, I do believe in Buzz going forward and that he will learn a valuable lesson from not being able to get certain types of players in recruiting (3-point shooters and centers). I think he's already rectified the shooting concerns with the players he already has coming to Marquette and he has plenty of chances for some very good bigs in the near future with the likes of Fischer, Stone, Ellenson, and Heldt. If he can't land any of those Wisconsinites I will start to ask more questions about his ability to take the program to the next level.
My contention is that the team's current issues are the responsibility of the Coach, who makes huge $ for that responsibility. In Buzz we trust is just some blind ideology with no basis in reality. Should he be fired? That is something others keep asking--never said that. No he should not be fired. I get tired of people slobbering over him with excuses. The players that are there now are his players--he recruited them. He has the responsibility to develop them. His player rotations are not good, his starting rotation needs to change--never agreed with what he does there. I do not buy that the 5 hardest workers in practice earn the minutes. There are likely hard workers with little talent that do not earn the minutes. He started E. Williams and R. Smith and both quit. Doubt that they were the hardest workers. Doubt that Mayo is a hard worker, but Buzz keeps throwing him in there. So my belief is that is just a cop out of Buzz's to answer the critics, because I believe that he is not consistent in that philosophy. I believe that he thinks he can play whoever he wishes and to hell with the critics and justifying it.
Yes, Buzz has a pretty good track record before this year, but it ain't translating this year. And he has yet to recruit one highly regarded big in his 6 plus years. Otule and Ox were not highly regarded, and now everybody is all over Ox. Ox is also Buzz's responsibility to develop. So I will continue to point out areas that I believe Buzz is not getting the job done in. And right now, there are plenty of areas.
Sure hope he lands Stone, Ellenson, Fischer, etc. At least one. If you cannot recruit the studs in your own state, then that is a huge issue. We haven't really landed a stud big from Chicago in Buzz's tenure. The jury is still out on S. Taylor
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Would love to see Fisher come to Marquette. In follow up to what Willie has written, I agree with most of it. Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit. This year's Marquette team looks confused and disorganized. The talent is there but they play as though they are "coached down." I would like to know why? They shoot poorly from the field and free throw line. Does Buzz de-emphasize shooting in practice? Does he criticize the players so much that they shoot poorly? Most of the players shot much better in high school. Buzz is responsible for putting the players in position to play their best, not their worst. A case can't be made for any of the players that they are performing better once they came to Marquette. Something seems to be seriously wrong.
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Would love to see Fisher come to Marquette. In follow up to what Willie has written, I agree with most of it. Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit. This year's Marquette team looks confused and disorganized. The talent is there but they play as though they are "coached down." I would like to know why? They shoot poorly from the field and free throw line. Does Buzz de-emphasize shooting in practice? Does he criticize the players so much that they shoot poorly? Most of the players shot much better in high school. Buzz is responsible for putting the players in position to play their best, not their worst. A case can't be made for any of the players that they are performing better once they came to Marquette. Something seems to be seriously wrong.
While I think there is something to be said about the jump from high school to NCAA, I have to agree with the comments on shooting. Two years straight we have teams that "can't shoot". Yes, Vander hit some clutch shots when he needed to but if I recall he had about a 30% clip from 3. Yes, our FG% probably looked ok since we got a lot of points in the paint but we again, had an extremely poor jump shooting team.
I like winning a lot and I'm thrilled we made the E8 last year and our prior success with Buzz before that. That being said, it is a bit disturbing to see two years of poor shooting and it makes me miss the days when we had great guards who could knock down shots.
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Would love to see Fisher come to Marquette. In follow up to what Willie has written, I agree with most of it. Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit. This year's Marquette team looks confused and disorganized. The talent is there but they play as though they are "coached down." I would like to know why? They shoot poorly from the field and free throw line. Does Buzz de-emphasize shooting in practice? Does he criticize the players so much that they shoot poorly? Most of the players shot much better in high school. Buzz is responsible for putting the players in position to play their best, not their worst. A case can't be made for any of the players that they are performing better once they came to Marquette. Something seems to be seriously wrong.
Prior to this year, Buzz’s players have generally improved. Wes Matthews, Crowder, JFB, Hayward, Vander Blue, DJO, and on and on. Many people were talking up Buzz’s ability to get lower rated players in the NBA. So are you suggesting Buzz suddenly got stupid this year? Or perhaps other factors are involved?
To your point about the Badgers, Bo is obviously a great coach, but they have some high level talent on that team also. Lets not kid ourselves, just because some UW recruits are not typical MU recruits doesn’t make them mediocre players.
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Buzz has always had some extremely mentally and physically TOUGH players on the team. Guys that would run through the brick wall. They would always be the leaders. Its always appeared that Buzz was very very hard on his players. At least thats what it seems like.
I dont think its a "basketball" thing. Some players just dont react well to that kind of motivation. Some do....
Buzz needs to figure out what will get these guys both motivated and confident.
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Would love to see Fisher come to Marquette. In follow up to what Willie has written, I agree with most of it. Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit. This year's Marquette team looks confused and disorganized. The talent is there but they play as though they are "coached down." I would like to know why? They shoot poorly from the field and free throw line. Does Buzz de-emphasize shooting in practice? Does he criticize the players so much that they shoot poorly? Most of the players shot much better in high school. Buzz is responsible for putting the players in position to play their best, not their worst. A case can't be made for any of the players that they are performing better once they came to Marquette. Something seems to be seriously wrong.
Name one player in the MU starting lineup you'd take over UW's starting lineup? Dekker is more talented than Jamil Wilson, and on down the line. Just because they're white doesn't mean they aren't talented. CBB, for the most part, is a 3 point shooting contest....it's been that way for a long time. Wisconsin, Creighton and teams like it shoot over 40% from deep, that's talent.
It's a down year for MU, I wouldn't question Buzz after 3 straight sweet 16s. Even Kentucky and UNC have missed the tourney recently. Great that Bo makes it every year, he's beaten ONE higher seed since he's been at UW....it's all about the post season.
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Give me skilled players over athletes any day of the week.
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Give me skilled players over athletes any day of the week.
Not mutually exclusive.
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Not mutually exclusive.
Nothing like lobster and cracked crab for everyone.
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Name one player in the MU starting lineup you'd take over UW's starting lineup? Dekker is more talented than Jamil Wilson, and on down the line. Just because they're white doesn't mean they aren't talented. CBB, for the most part, is a 3 point shooting contest....it's been that way for a long time. Wisconsin, Creighton and teams like it shoot over 40% from deep, that's talent.
It's a down year for MU, I wouldn't question Buzz after 3 straight sweet 16s. Even Kentucky and UNC have missed the tourney recently. Great that Bo makes it every year, he's beaten ONE higher seed since he's been at UW....it's all about the post season.
People will say I'm nuts, but they are forgetting the benefit/negative the offensive system has on a player. I'd take Jake Thomas over Brust. They are very similar players (Brust better rebounder), their stat lines are fairly similar with the exception of Brust having more playing time and Thomas being slightly less efficient.
But put Thomas in the UW system, which would benefit him more, and he would more than make up for the difference in efficiencies.
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Burton and DG are the only 2 guys with an offensive mindset.
And, one isn't getting shots because of no PG and the other is just learning how to deal with the big bodies inside that he never had to face before.
Burton will be a big factor through the conference schedule as he improves. Our PG will still not be able to pass to Ox .
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I would much rather have Brust. Much quicker off the bounce and a better ball handler.
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Bottom line is Jake's a mid-major playa.
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Bottom line is Jake's a mid-major playa.
That is probably true to some extent, but most shooters cannot get their own shot. Look at Creighton, except for McDermott the others were all shooting wide open threes. I think Jake would shoot well on Creighton, because he would good multiple open looks. He also would shoot well on the current UW team that spreads the floor and has 5 shooters on the floor. Jake is simply in the wrong offense or teamed with players that do not draw defenders away from Jake. Jake is always well covered, because there are no other threats on the team.
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Burton and DG are the only 2 guys with an offensive mindset.
And, one isn't getting shots because of no PG and the other is just learning how to deal with the big bodies inside that he never had to face before.
Burton will be a big factor through the conference schedule as he improves. Our PG will still not be able to pass to Ox .
People here question this, x, but every commentator, including KO, has cited the 4 on 5 factor as the single biggest impediment to offensive success this year. Hell, KO practically begs our PG to at least shoot to keep defenses honest. DG has every right to be frustrated.
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People here question this, x, but every commentator, including KO, has cited the 4 on 5 factor as the single biggest impediment to offensive success this year. Hell, KO practically begs our PG to at least shoot to keep defenses honest. DG has every right to be frustrated.
Then why is CO, a far less offensively gifted player, having the best year of his 6 year career?
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Then why is CO, a far less offensively gifted player, having the best year of his 6 year career?
Quite frankly, because teams are not concerned about COs offensive prowess. If he goes "off". What is it? 15 points? Nothing against CO, Love the dude. But the saggers are sagging on DG and not CO.
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Quite frankly, because teams are not concerned about COs offensive prowess. If he goes "off". What is it? 15 points? Nothing against CO, Love the dude. But the saggers are sagging on DG and not CO.
Gotta disagree with you there. Against any of the quality opponents we have played this year I have yet to see a defender play Derrick Wilson tight when CO is in the game rather than DG. People claim the problem is the point guard and getting the ball into the post. It's not like defenses are up in DeWil's grill when Gardner is out of the game. They're playing the same defense. We still get the ball into CO.
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how many of CO's baskets were off an assist vs. a rebound he snatched?
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CO is bigger, presents a bigger target for the passer, seals the defender more effectively, and can turn in either direction. He also goes after more offensive rebound off of other people's misses than does Gardner. Then he goes down and plays better defense. Other than that.....
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BTW, back to the original point of the thread, I would be stunned if Luke ended up at MU. IMO there would already be word slipping out if that was in the cards.
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BTW, back to the original point of the thread, I would be stunned if Luke ended up at MU. IMO there would already be word slipping out if that was in the cards.
I'm with you. If it was as simple as just moving closer to home I think he would have picked MU already.
Does anyone know anything about his family's financial situation? Maybe the Scholarship for a semester is a big deal.
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I'm with you. If it was as simple as just moving closer to home I think he would have picked MU already.
Does anyone know anything about his family's financial situation? Maybe the Scholarship for a semester is a big deal.
There is very little news anywhere. Twitter is full of nothing...except Butler is apparently out of it.
That being said, I know nothing about his parents financial situation. However he is the only child of a mother who is an elementary school principal and father who works for Kelloggs. I think he is also a good student, so I am guessing he would be eligible for a decent academic scholarship. My guess is that if he *really* wanted to come to MU, paying for a semester would not be an issue.
What slightly concerns me is that his AAU coach is the point of contact for this. MU hasn't had much luck with Wisconsin Swing kids, but I have no idea if the coach has any sort of animosity toward Marquette.
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I would much rather have Brust. Much quicker off the bounce and a better ball handler.
Totally agree. Not even in the ballpark of a difficult decision. Brust actually drives and has been a contributor pretty much since he arrived. The initial post actually made me laugh.
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... I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". ....
Those are not mediocre players. Dekker is a future pro. They beat out Ohio State for Nigel. Koenig would be a welcome addition on almost any team. Gasser is a very good player. Kaminsky has a lot of talent. They also have all the pieces, so they work well together. We are missing some pieces.
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Burton and DG are the only 2 guys with an offensive mindset.
And, one isn't getting shots because of no PG and the other is just learning how to deal with the big bodies inside that he never had to face before.
Burton will be a big factor through the conference schedule as he improves. Our PG will still not be able to pass to Ox .
Um, Mayo definitely has an offensive mindset. Jajuan too but he's not as confident as Burton yet.
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That is probably true to some extent, but most shooters cannot get their own shot. Look at Creighton, except for McDermott the others were all shooting wide open threes. I think Jake would shoot well on Creighton, because he would good multiple open looks. He also would shoot well on the current UW team that spreads the floor and has 5 shooters on the floor. Jake is simply in the wrong offense or teamed with players that do not draw defenders away from Jake. Jake is always well covered, because there are no other threats on the team.
The first mistake folks make is calling JT a shooter. He is not.
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The first mistake folks make is calling JT a shooter. He is not.
Yeah, he's only shooting 40% from 3 point range. Awful.
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Those are not mediocre players. Dekker is a future pro. They beat out Ohio State for Nigel. Koenig would be a welcome addition on almost any team. Gasser is a very good player. Kaminsky has a lot of talent. They also have all the pieces, so they work well together. We are missing some pieces.
And everyone on the floor is an offensive threat whether they are scoring a lot or not. Makes for great spacing and few double-teams.
When the opposing big man (or PG) can't sit in the lane on defense, scoring is a lot easier to come by.
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"Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit."
I am so tired of hearing that Bo does so much with mediocre players. I played for Bo, and he is a terrific coach. Outstanding! However, he wins with very talented kids. I have said this for years. Just because the majority of Bo's players are white, many say he has average athletes or mediocre players. That is totally a bunch of garbage from any angle you look at it. As I put in a previous post, Wisconsin's lineup is more athletic and talented than Marquette's this year.
- Dekker is every bit of athlete that J. Wilson is! He's a much better shooter and passer. He's been fundamentally sound well before he got to UW.
- Jackson is a much better athlete and basketball player than D. Wilson. It is not even close!
- Gasser is a better athlete (even after his knee issues) and a better defender than J. Thomas. Thomas is a shooter, period. Gasser is a player.
- Kaminsky is longer and more athletic than O'Tule. He is also a shooter and can run the court.
- Brust vs. Juan (forward vs. guard) but Brust is a great shooter and is an incredible rebounder for his size. He averages 12ppg, and over 5rpg.
Coming out of high school, Dekker was a (5 star) recruit. Bo does a great job of recruiting to his system. He is a terrific coach and his guys are fundamentally sound. They typically don't beat themselves.
Buzz really got stung by Vander leaving and having both Duane Wilson and Steve Taylor getting hurt. His past three years speak for themselves. We may struggle a little bit this year, but the future is bright with Buzz running the show.
In summary, Wisconsin has a better team and better talent this year. Marquette is struggling, but has been in most games and if we had someone that could create on the perimeter, we may have a very, very good record. Both programs and coaches are top-tier! We are lucky to have both Bo and Buzz in the state of Wisconsin!
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"Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit."
I am so tired of hearing that Bo does so much with mediocre players. I played for Bo, and he is a terrific coach. Outstanding! However, he wins with very talented kids. I have said this for years. Just because the majority of Bo's players are white, many say he has average athletes or mediocre players. That is totally a bunch of garbage from any angle you look at it. As I put in a previous post, Wisconsin's lineup is more athletic and talented than Marquette's this year.
- Dekker is every bit of athlete that J. Wilson is! He's a much better shooter and passer. He's been fundamentally sound well before he got to UW.
- Jackson is a much better athlete and basketball player than D. Wilson.. It is not even close!
- Gasser is a better athlete (even after his knee issues) and a better defender than J. Thomas. Thomas is a shooter, period. Gasser is a player.
- Kaminsky is longer and more athletic than O'Tule. He is also a shooter and can run the court.
- Brust vs. Juan (forward vs. guard) but Brust is a great shooter and is an incredible rebounder for his size. He averages 12ppg, and over 5rpg.
Coming out of high school, Dekker was a (5 star) recruit. Bo does a great job of recruiting to his system. He is a terrific coach and his guys are fundamentally sound. They typically don't beat themselves.
Buzz really got stung by Vander leaving and having both Duane Wilson and Steve Taylor getting hurt. His past three years speak for themselves. We may struggle a little bit this year, but the future is bright with Buzz running the show.
In summary, Wisconsin has a better team and better talent this year. Marquette is struggling, but has been in most games and if we had someone that could create on the perimeter, we may have a very, very good record. Both programs and coaches are top-tier! We are lucky to have both Bo and Buzz in the state of Wisconsin!
+1. Great post, Hoops
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"Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit."
I am so tired of hearing that Bo does so much with mediocre players. I played for Bo, and he is a terrific coach. Outstanding! However, he wins with very talented kids. I have said this for years. Just because the majority of Bo's players are white, many say he has average athletes or mediocre players. That is totally a bunch of garbage from any angle you look at it. As I put in a previous post, Wisconsin's lineup is more athletic and talented than Marquette's this year.
- Dekker is every bit of athlete that J. Wilson is! He's a much better shooter and passer. He's been fundamentally sound well before he got to UW.
- Jackson is a much better athlete and basketball player than D. Wilson. It is not even close!
- Gasser is a better athlete (even after his knee issues) and a better defender than J. Thomas. Thomas is a shooter, period. Gasser is a player.
- Kaminsky is longer and more athletic than O'Tule. He is also a shooter and can run the court.
- Brust vs. Juan (forward vs. guard) but Brust is a great shooter and is an incredible rebounder for his size. He averages 12ppg, and over 5rpg.
Coming out of high school, Dekker was a (5 star) recruit. Bo does a great job of recruiting to his system. He is a terrific coach and his guys are fundamentally sound. They typically don't beat themselves.
Buzz really got stung by Vander leaving and having both Duane Wilson and Steve Taylor getting hurt. His past three years speak for themselves. We may struggle a little bit this year, but the future is bright with Buzz running the show.
In summary, Wisconsin has a better team and better talent this year. Marquette is struggling, but has been in most games and if we had someone that could create on the perimeter, we may have a very, very good record. Both programs and coaches are top-tier! We are lucky to have both Bo and Buzz in the state of Wisconsin!
Perhaps you played for him at Plattville or in HS. No self respecting D1 athlete wastes his/her time on a lousy message board. I'll give you a minute to get off your soap box...
It's message board talk...ANY D1 athlete is a superior athlete to the masses, especially losers like us on a message board. So you've exposed yourself as a poser.
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Perhaps you played for him at Plattville or in HS. No self respecting D1 athlete wastes his/her time on a lousy message board. I'll give you a minute to get off your soap box...
It's message board talk...ANY D1 athlete is a superior athlete to the masses, especially losers like us on a message board. So you've exposed yourself as a poser.
What's wrong with his post? Everything he said is true in regards to the teams and it was said with tact. No complaints here.
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"Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit."
I am so tired of hearing that Bo does so much with mediocre players. I played for Bo, and he is a terrific coach. Outstanding! However, he wins with very talented kids. I have said this for years. Just because the majority of Bo's players are white, many say he has average athletes or mediocre players. That is totally a bunch of garbage from any angle you look at it. As I put in a previous post, Wisconsin's lineup is more athletic and talented than Marquette's this year.
- Dekker is every bit of athlete that J. Wilson is! He's a much better shooter and passer. He's been fundamentally sound well before he got to UW.
- Jackson is a much better athlete and basketball player than D. Wilson. It is not even close!
- Gasser is a better athlete (even after his knee issues) and a better defender than J. Thomas. Thomas is a shooter, period. Gasser is a player.
- Kaminsky is longer and more athletic than O'Tule. He is also a shooter and can run the court.
- Brust vs. Juan (forward vs. guard) but Brust is a great shooter and is an incredible rebounder for his size. He averages 12ppg, and over 5rpg.
Coming out of high school, Dekker was a (5 star) recruit. Bo does a great job of recruiting to his system. He is a terrific coach and his guys are fundamentally sound. They typically don't beat themselves.
Buzz really got stung by Vander leaving and having both Duane Wilson and Steve Taylor getting hurt. His past three years speak for themselves. We may struggle a little bit this year, but the future is bright with Buzz running the show.
In summary, Wisconsin has a better team and better talent this year. Marquette is struggling, but has been in most games and if we had someone that could create on the perimeter, we may have a very, very good record. Both programs and coaches are top-tier! We are lucky to have both Bo and Buzz in the state of Wisconsin!
This pretty much spot on except Bo does get guys who were under the radar when he recruited them.
Kaminsky didnt have any offers from big name schools. DePaul and Northwestern were the best
Gasser had offers from Arizona State and Maryland but no other schools. Not a single Big Ten or Big East school offered
Jackson had an offer from Arizona State and no one else.
Brust was a little more sought after and obviously Dekker and Koenig were top end recruits.
Bo recruits to a system but he does recruit more under the radar guys who he can develop. I do think it is overblown how little talent is on his teams. There is no doubt Buzz lands higher ranked guys but both do very well with what they have. Although I think Marquette's starting 5 only has 2 top 100 guys in Jamil Wilson and Juan Anderson
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Perhaps you played for him at Plattville or in HS. No self respecting D1 athlete wastes his/her time on a lousy message board. I'll give you a minute to get off your soap box...
It's message board talk...ANY D1 athlete is a superior athlete to the masses, especially losers like us on a message board. So you've exposed yourself as a poser.
What a whiny, jealous post.
I thought hoops12's comment was great. I don't know where he played for Bo, but what if it was at Platteville or in high school? How would that invalidate the many insightful comments he made?
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Basketball Dozen is basically correct. Lookin' at this year's squad, as presently constructed, I see very little major D-1 talent. So, to be successful, their defense has to be razor sharp for 40 minutes. It just isn't.
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Perhaps you played for him at Plattville or in HS. No self respecting D1 athlete wastes his/her time on a lousy message board. I'll give you a minute to get off your soap box...
It's message board talk...ANY D1 athlete is a superior athlete to the masses, especially losers like us on a message board. So you've exposed yourself as a poser.
Ahh, the value of a Jesuit education allowing me to identify the ad hominen logical fallacy. Since you've exposed hoops12 as a "poser", I'm sure that you will have very little trouble demolishing the actual points he made. We're waiting.....
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Perhaps you played for him at Plattville or in HS. No self respecting D1 athlete wastes his/her time on a lousy message board. I'll give you a minute to get off your soap box...
It's message board talk...ANY D1 athlete is a superior athlete to the masses, especially losers like us on a message board. So you've exposed yourself as a poser.
You're clueless if you don't think all kinds of people — D1 athletes included — read and post to the boards. I hate this board when it attacks a guy's sources, credentials and stories. Either believe him, or don't. This post in particular was dead on. Bo knows how to coach and he isn't recruiting slow, lower-rated traditionals. Aside from Jackson (who plays an un-Bo game) he has a team that is so fundamentally sound it's sick. They don't make many mistakes and they can shoot. Sure, they will go down on a poor shooting night, but they are so solid and disciplined, they will always be in the game. They are basically the inverse of us. BTW, I'm still laughing at the guy who said Brust v. Jake is a toss-up.
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Yeah, he's only shooting 40% from 3 point range. Awful.
What happens when you toss out the ASU game?
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You're clueless if you don't think all kinds of people — D1 athletes included — read and post to the boards. I hate this board when it attacks a guy's sources, credentials and stories. Either believe him, or don't. This post in particular was dead on. Bo knows how to coach and he isn't recruiting slow, lower-rated traditionals. Aside from Jackson (who plays an un-Bo game) he has a team that is so fundamentally sound it's sick. They don't make many mistakes and they can shoot. Sure, they will go down on a poor shooting night, but they are so solid and disciplined, they will always be in the game. They are basically the inverse of us. BTW, I'm still laughing at the guy who said Brust v. Jake is a toss-up.
I dont even think Jake Thomas' own parents would pick him over Brust. I am pretty sure Thomas and Brust were matched up in the game this year. Thomas had 0 points and 5 fouls. Brust had 13 points and 0 fouls. Both had 2 rebounds. Yeah that is a toss up
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What happens when you toss out the ASU game?
Why would you toss out the ASU game? It counted just like all the others. Probably just so you can prove your petty point?
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You're clueless if you don't think all kinds of people — D1 athletes included — read and post to the boards. I hate this board when it attacks a guy's sources, credentials and stories. Either believe him, or don't. This post in particular was dead on. Bo knows how to coach and he isn't recruiting slow, lower-rated traditionals. Aside from Jackson (who plays an un-Bo game) he has a team that is so fundamentally sound it's sick. They don't make many mistakes and they can shoot. Sure, they will go down on a poor shooting night, but they are so solid and disciplined, they will always be in the game. They are basically the inverse of us. BTW, I'm still laughing at the guy who said Brust v. Jake is a toss-up.
The key difference between them is ball handling. Jake is a below average ball handler.
I assure you, if we had Brust and they had Jake, the whole board would be saying that Brust isn't even a mid-major player and shouldn't be getting off the bench. Meanwhile Jake would be putting up 12 a game and shooting in the mid 40's for 3.
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Hoops played for him at Platteville and his father was an all time great at MU...
You are the poser.....
Perhaps you played for him at Plattville or in HS. No self respecting D1 athlete wastes his/her time on a lousy message board. I'll give you a minute to get off your soap box...
It's message board talk...ANY D1 athlete is a superior athlete to the masses, especially losers like us on a message board. So you've exposed yourself as a poser.
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What happens when you toss out the ASU game?
What happens when you take away every game but the ASU game?
What's the point?
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Any update on Fischer? Has he listed any schools he is going to consider?
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Anyone see him at today's game?
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Any update on Fischer? Has he listed any schools he is going to consider?
Nope, no news the past few days.
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Why would you toss out the ASU game? It counted just like all the others. Probably just so you can prove your petty point?
I have no idea of the specifics of this case but if the ASU game can be proven to be a statistical outlier then it could be relevant to discount that data point.
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Hoops played for him at Platteville and his father was an all time great at MU...
You are the poser.....
Murf's kid played at Platteville for Bo Ryan??
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Was looking behind MU bench - did not see him, just saw an uninterested JJJ...
Anyone see him at today's game?
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So you've exposed yourself as a poser.
Which is better than what you've exposed yourself as.
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I have no idea of the specifics of this case but if the ASU game can be proven to be a statistical outlier then it could be relevant to discount that data point.
Except the ASU game is not a statistical outlier performance wise. It may be a statistical outlier for shot attempts, but his percentages for 2 pt and 3pts in that game were damn near his average.
The only game that is likely a statistical outlier is OSU (0-7)...but excluding that one wouldn't have helped his argument.
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Except the ASU game is not a statistical outlier performance wise. It may be a statistical outlier for shot attempts, but his percentages for 2 pt and 3pts in that game were damn near his average.
The only game that is likely a statistical outlier is OSU (0-7)...but excluding that one wouldn't have helped his argument.
Thanks. Like I said, though, I had no idea of the specifics. I was only pointing out that it is proper to eliminate genuine aberrations from a statistical sample.
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Perhaps you played for him at Plattville or in HS. No self respecting D1 athlete wastes his/her time on a lousy message board. I'll give you a minute to get off your soap box...
It's message board talk...ANY D1 athlete is a superior athlete to the masses, especially losers like us on a message board. So you've exposed yourself as a poser.
You are right about one thing, you are a loser.
Great post by Hoops. He's dead right.
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Thanks. Like I said, though, I had no idea of the specifics. I was only pointing out that it is proper to eliminate genuine aberrations from a statistical sample.
Sorry if you perceived any ill-tone in the post...didn't mean it that way. I actually looked it up, because like you didn't know and it would be fair (as you note) to remove a statistical anomaly.
Happy New Year Keefe.
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Sorry if you perceived any ill-tone in the post...didn't mean it that way. I actually looked it up, because like you didn't know and it would be fair (as you note) to remove a statistical anomaly.
Happy New Year Keefe.
so if we are to remove the anomalies, does that mean we remove OSU stats? Now where is jake sitting?
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Sorry if you perceived any ill-tone in the post...didn't mean it that way. I actually looked it up, because like you didn't know and it would be fair (as you note) to remove a statistical anomaly.
Happy New Year Keefe.
Sorry if you sensed an edge as that wasn't the intent in any way. I have run enough regressions over the years to test a number of hypotheses and as weird as it may sound I always liked the investigative process. We actually used statistical modeling taken from the arbitrage pricing theory world to predict IED activity in '07 Iraq based on a range of variable combinations. GE Capital has great computing infrastructure but it is nothing compared to having a Cray at your disposal. GE's Sopwith Camel is an aircraft in the same way DoD's Cray is an F 22.
Best wishes for the New Year!
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"Watched the Badgers demolish Northwestern last night. I like Buzz, but what a tremendous coaching job Bo has done with mediocre players. He coaches "them up". They play like one unit."
I am so tired of hearing that Bo does so much with mediocre players. I played for Bo, and he is a terrific coach. Outstanding! However, he wins with very talented kids. I have said this for years. Just because the majority of Bo's players are white, many say he has average athletes or mediocre players. That is totally a bunch of garbage from any angle you look at it. As I put in a previous post, Wisconsin's lineup is more athletic and talented than Marquette's this year.
- Dekker is every bit of athlete that J. Wilson is! He's a much better shooter and passer. He's been fundamentally sound well before he got to UW.
- Jackson is a much better athlete and basketball player than D. Wilson. It is not even close!
- Gasser is a better athlete (even after his knee issues) and a better defender than J. Thomas. Thomas is a shooter, period. Gasser is a player.
- Kaminsky is longer and more athletic than O'Tule. He is also a shooter and can run the court.
- Brust vs. Juan (forward vs. guard) but Brust is a great shooter and is an incredible rebounder for his size. He averages 12ppg, and over 5rpg.
Coming out of high school, Dekker was a (5 star) recruit. Bo does a great job of recruiting to his system. He is a terrific coach and his guys are fundamentally sound. They typically don't beat themselves.
Buzz really got stung by Vander leaving and having both Duane Wilson and Steve Taylor getting hurt. His past three years speak for themselves. We may struggle a little bit this year, but the future is bright with Buzz running the show.
In summary, Wisconsin has a better team and better talent this year. Marquette is struggling, but has been in most games and if we had someone that could create on the perimeter, we may have a very, very good record. Both programs and coaches are top-tier! We are lucky to have both Bo and Buzz in the state of Wisconsin!
Excellent perspective. Bo recruits very well to his system... But actually, so does Buzz. It's a different system and he gets less credit for its uniqueness but it also works. Wisconsin is very fortunate to have two good programs.
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Wisconsin is very fortunate to have two good programs.
Well, this year that is Wisconsin and UWGB?
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Excellent perspective. Bo recruits very well to his system... But actually, so does Buzz. It's a different system and he gets less credit for its uniqueness but it also works. Wisconsin is very fortunate to have two good programs.
Bo gets more credit because he makes it work with traditionals which makes it look unique.
Also, doesn't Bucky start 5 traditionals? When was the last time a top five program started 5 traditionals? 1963?
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Also, doesn't Bucky start 5 traditionals? When was the last time a top five program started 5 traditionals? 1963?
Traevon Jackson
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I was glad to hear Luke say it for himself and squash some other really dumb rumors out there from a few months ago.
"I couldn't be happier," Fischer said. "I think he's the perfect fit. Obviously he comes from one of the greatest programs in college basketball and one of the greatest coaches (Mike Krzyzewski) who has ever coached. I'm looking forward to working with him.
"I was always going to stay here. The reason I came here was to be closer to home. I can't see myself going anywhere else."
Fischer said the hiring as reenergized the players.
"I think so," he said. "For the past how many days it's been since Coach Williams left things have been a little low, but with Coach Wojo here I think things are going to go back up to where they were."