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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: ChitownSpaceForRent on October 01, 2013, 11:04:39 AM
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Starting the annual NHL thread again. Cant wait for the puck to drop tonight. Should be interesting with the new division alignment. Looking at the division there is no reason why the Hawks shouldnt come in first.
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As a Wings fan I'm going to miss the Wings-Hawks rivalry but being in a division with 3 other original 6 teams ain't that bad.
See you boys in the Cup
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Time to drop the burnt biscuit! Let's go Wild!
Rejuvenated Heatley + Granlund's arrival = CONSENSUS!
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Raising a banner + opening night victory = satisfied Hawks fan. So glad hockey is back.
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NHL??? Don't you guys know it's an Olympic year? Hockey is about to get real in a few months.
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Time to drop the burnt biscuit! Let's go Wild!
Rejuvenated Heatley + Granlund's arrival = CONSENSUS!
You will never see a Minnesota Stanley Cup in your lifetime.
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NHL??? Don't you guys know it's an Olympic year? Hockey is about to get real in a few months.
With NHL players?
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You will never see a Minnesota Stanley Cup in your lifetime.
Seeing as how Minnesota's team is in Dallas, you're probably on the right track.
Benny B --- Not giving two sh*ts about the NHL since 1993.
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Seeing as how Minnesota's team is in Dallas, you're probably on the right track.
Benny B --- Not giving two sh*ts about the NHL since 1993.
Actually the NorthStars did win a Cup in Dallas. Just like Brian Billick and Mike Tomlin after they left MN.
Just like the Browns have won a couple of Super Bowls since they left Cleveland.
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NHL??? Don't you guys know it's an Olympic year? Hockey is about to get real in a few months.
Olympic hockey? Keep it.
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Seeing as how Minnesota's team is in Dallas, you're probably on the right track.
Benny B --- Not giving two sh*ts about the NHL since 1993.
I stopped caring about the NHL in 1997 when the Whalers did the disgraceful act of moving south.
Olympic hockey is great and I've been following college hockey. 2013 was a boon for local college hockey.
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I'm loving USA's chances this winter. Our roster is loaded with young talent.
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I've been following college hockey. 2013 was a boon for local college hockey.
Ever since I moved to MN I have loved watching college hockey. Watch out for SCSU.
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Ever since I moved to MN I have loved watching college hockey. Watch out for SCSU.
SCSU?
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SCSU?
St. Cloud State University.
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Around here that stands for Southern Connecticut State University.
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Bolland and Frolik both with 2 goals in their games. I miss them already.
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Bolland and Frolik both with 2 goals in their games. I miss them already.
Frolik maybe.
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Frolik maybe.
I have a soft spot for Bolly. Met him a few times, he gave me is game used hockey stick, have his jersey. One of my favorite players when he was on the Hawks. PK without Frolik looked dreadful...and of course who can forget "Frolik Navidad"
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I have a soft spot for Bolly. Met him a few times, he gave me is game used hockey stick, have his jersey. One of my favorite players when he was on the Hawks. PK without Frolik looked dreadful...and of course who can forget "Frolik Navidad"
Fair enough, but I don't think they'll be terribly missed.
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St. Cloud State University.
They made the Frozen Four last year. Had the Hobey Baker winner, Drew LeBlanc, who is now playing in Rockford in the Hawks system. They have even a better team this year.
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They made the Frozen Four last year. Had the Hobey Baker winner, Drew LeBlanc, who is now playing in Rockford in the Hawks system. They have even a better team this year.
I know who they are. They have the cool Montreal Candiens type of logo. I watched, one of my local teams, Quinnipac blow them out in the Frozen Four. Quinnipiac had 11 seniors on that team. Despite a few starters graduating, Yale returns a good portion of their NCAA Championship team although their starting goalie is among those who graduated.
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College hockey has gotten turned upside down this year...at least in the midwest. The Big Ten created a hockey conference from its six members that play college hockey (Wisc, Minn, Mich, MSU, PSU, OSU). The best of the remaining teams created a new conference, the NCHC. The remaining teams all joined up in the WCHA and the CCHA folded.
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I know who they are. They have the cool Montreal Candiens type of logo. I watched, one of my local teams, Quinnipac blow them out in the Frozen Four. Quinnipiac had 11 seniors on that team. Despite a few starters graduating, Yale returns a good portion of their NCAA Championship team although their starting goalie is among those who graduated.
They did get blown out pretty good.
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College hockey has gotten turned upside down this year...at least in the midwest. The Big Ten created a hockey conference from its six members that play college hockey (Wisc, Minn, Mich, MSU, PSU, OSU). The best of the remaining teams created a new conference, the NCHC. The remaining teams all joined up in the WCHA and the CCHA folded.
Looks like Minnesota has kept their in-state rivals on the schedule. Wisconsin filled their schedule with lower level schools.
I am looking forward to hear the scores of the Penn St. Big 10 games this year.
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College hockey has gotten turned upside down this year...at least in the midwest. The Big Ten created a hockey conference from its six members that play college hockey (Wisc, Minn, Mich, MSU, PSU, OSU). The best of the remaining teams created a new conference, the NCHC. The remaining teams all joined up in the WCHA and the CCHA folded.
Thanks to this split, UConn got it's hockey program upgraded and will be playing in Hockey East.
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Chicago over Detroit or Boston for the cup.
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The Razor/Ray Emery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfDIxu7fWo8
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Go Ducks....owned the Blackhawks last year, but couldn't get through Detroit in the playoffs. Hoping to have a shot at the Blackhawks this year.
Going to first Kings game tonight
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http://deadspin.com/chicago-fan-steals-players-helmet-appears-very-very-1460059512?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
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http://deadspin.com/chicago-fan-steals-players-helmet-appears-very-very-1460059512?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
Not sure how I feel about this... on one hand, it's incredibly stupid and low-brow; on the other hand, he put the helmet on.
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On one hand its hilarious...on the other I agree its incredibly stupid. The first time I watched the video I wasn't expecting that to happen which made it funny. The guy was obviously intoxicated and is most definitely in trouble for taking the helmet. I'm sure he got kicked out and will face some other penalty.
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I know he is a long time season ticket holder so it will be interesting to see what happens to him. Obviously intoxicated.
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Go Ducks!
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Khabi still on the bench despite games on back to back nights. How long before we see an Annti Raanta call-up?
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Saw Raanta in goal the other night here in Rockford. Studly.
Versteeg is back!
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Saw Raanta in goal the other night here in Rockford. Studly.
Versteeg is back!
Beat me to the punch. So happy Steeger is back. Hopefully he can help with the PK. The checking line of him Bolland and Ladd was my favorite in 2010 and probably one of my all time Hawks favorite to be honest.
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Thank you, Dale. Very excited about the trade.
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/zPZgi1EmUhIvQrVmE0D1vg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYwMA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/person/Ysports/kris-versteeg-hockey-headshot-photo.jpg)
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Hawks beat Dallas in 11th round of shootout.
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Hawks beat Dallas in 11th round of shootout.
Ben Smith.....
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Icehog pride.
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Fun sports night. Back and forth among the Hawks, the Bluejays, and Jay vs the Jayhawks. 2 out of 3 ain't bad!
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http://www.freep.com/article/20131202/SPORTS05/312020019/darren-mccarty-claude-lemieux-fight-detroit-red-wings
Greatest. Hockey. Fight. Ever. From a Red Wings Perspective. I followed hockey then and this is the one Red Wings fans were waiting for. Favorite moment was when Vernon went after Roy.
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http://www.freep.com/article/20131202/SPORTS05/312020019/darren-mccarty-claude-lemieux-fight-detroit-red-wings
Greatest. Hockey. Fight. Ever. From a Red Wings Perspective. I followed hockey then and this is the one Red Wings fans were waiting for. Favorite moment was when Vernon went after Roy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DlAjrhm9s
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7DlAjrhm9s
https://www.youtube.com/v/xXMswsz44WI
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5 straight over the Hawks. Go Ducks
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19 goals in 3 games and all without Bickell. Someone woke up the sleeping giant. Raanta playing well and the D playing better. Kane 2nd in the league in points only 1 behind Crosby. This team is scary and with the increase in salary cap approved for next year may we be seeing the start of a dynasty?
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It sucks being in the west, some very very good teams are not going to get through for Lord Stanley. I would say 5 of the top 6 teams are in the west, I'm sure some will disagree.
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It sucks being in the west, some very very good teams are not going to get through for Lord Stanley. I would say 5 of the top 6 teams are in the west, I'm sure some will disagree.
I agree. Just look at the East vs. West records. Even Edmonton has a winning record over the East.
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OK, Chicos, here we go. I deem your Dicks now to have the target on them. Time for the Hawks to go Duck huntin. With the way your boys are playing at home (and after the very enjoyable pasting of the Canucks!), the Hawks need a win tonight to have a shot at home ice in the playoffs. Go Hawks!
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OK, Chicos, here we go. I deem your Dicks now to have the target on them.
Freudian slip?
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Hmmmm... I elect not to use the modify function!
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OK, Chicos, here we go. I deem your Dicks now to have the target on them. Time for the Hawks to go Duck huntin. With the way your boys are playing at home (and after the very enjoyable pasting of the Canucks!), the Hawks need a win tonight to have a shot at home ice in the playoffs. Go Hawks!
Yeah, we've had your number for quite some time as well. I'm not feeling too confident in this one. I would take a split in a heartbeat between the Blues and Hawks in our next two.
Can't wait until next Saturday for the game at Dodger Stadium. Going to be a lot of fun.
(http://usatftw.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/2014-coors-light-nhl-stadium-series-la-rendering.jpg)
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Whew.
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Nice win. First game I've missed on TV in a long time. My wife took me to the Eagles concert last night so couldn't see the game.
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Well, watching that game would have been wasted time for you-but I'll give the Ducks credit- they went into desperado mode and almost gave me heartache (last)night. Getzlaf lives his hockey life in the fast lane, but Hossa was better all night long. Saturday night will also be tough against the Blues. In the long run, I don't know if the win will matter for the hawks- I can't tell you why, but I think the ducks will get home ice, and the Hawks will wind up with 4 nights in a hotel (in) California this May. Life's been good for the ducks this year- enjoy. Take it easy, Chicos
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Well done Legs, well done. Fabulous concert...probably the best concert I've seen in a few decades.
Playoffs are going to be a nightmare, so many good teams in the west, but would love to see the Ducks and Hawks playing for a trip to Lord Stanley. Right now I'm just hoping to avoid the Kings or Blues early in the playoffs.
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Well done Legs, well done. Fabulous concert...probably the best concert I've seen in a few decades.
Playoffs are going to be a nightmare, so many good teams in the west, but would love to see the Ducks and Hawks playing for a trip to Lord Stanley. Right now I'm just hoping to avoid the Kings or Blues early in the playoffs.
Personally I wouldnt mind playing the Kings. Hawks have their number.
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Well, watching that game would have been wasted time for you-but I'll give the Ducks credit- they went into desperado mode and almost gave me heartache (last)night. Getzlaf lives his hockey life in the fast lane, but Hossa was better all night long. Saturday night will also be tough against the Blues. In the long run, I don't know if the win will matter for the hawks- I can't tell you why, but I think the ducks will get home ice, and the Hawks will wind up with 4 nights in a hotel (in) California this May. Life's been good for the ducks this year- enjoy. Take it easy, Chicos
Got the split...beat the Blues....all I wanted was a split in these two games. Mission Accomplished
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See the opening of Calgary v Vancouver? Holy Schnikey.
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See the opening of Calgary v Vancouver? Holy Schnikey.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=400484978
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http://scores.espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=400484978
Good update!
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(http://www.nashvillescene.com/binary/c5b4/1381949575-3omyzw.jpg)
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Just because its Wings vs. Hawks tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_g0ZsF4C8#t=100 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_g0ZsF4C8#t=100)
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Fire up Hockeytown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xnfDiV4ZcM
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Fire up Hockeytown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xnfDiV4ZcM
I hate Kronwall. I actually dont mind most of the Wings players but Kronwall is probably in my bottom 5 for hockey players with the likes of Raffi Torres and Mike Smith.
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I hate Kronwall. I actually dont mind most of the Wings players but Kronwall is probably in my bottom 5 for hockey players with the likes of Raffi Torres and Mike Smith.
The best part is Byfuglien then laying out Kronwall! Though this will be a fun game (and the return game), I haven't really missed games against the Red Wings. Sure I made a big deal when I heard they were going to the East, but really it hasn't made much of a difference.
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Well done Legs, well done. Fabulous concert...probably the best concert I've seen in a few decades.
Playoffs are going to be a nightmare, so many good teams in the west, but would love to see the Ducks and Hawks playing for a trip to Lord Stanley. Right now I'm just hoping to avoid the Kings or Blues early in the playoffs.
If I'm not mistaken, didn't the NHL modify the playoff format this year (with the division changes)? I don't think the Hawks and Kings could play before the WC Finals. And same for Ducks v. Blues. I thought I heard you play within your division only until the Finals. With one exception, there could be a cross divisional if the 5th place in one division is better than the 4th in the other (since you would have 5 teams from 1 division and 3 from the other, there would have to be one series crossing over).
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Just because its Wings vs. Hawks tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_g0ZsF4C8#t=100 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_g0ZsF4C8#t=100)
thank you
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Can I just say that I am glad that tied playoff games do not end in shoot outs?
And I am a fan of the regular season shoot out. Except this year. For the Hawks.
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The Wings are terrible is shootouts this year. At one point I think they lost something like 9 in a row.
Very entertaining game last night. All the goals (minus Hossa's) were pretty sick
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Those of you in NYC or Chicago, if you have a chance to do the Stadium Series, pretty darn cool. Really enjoyed ourselves last night. Of course, the Ducks pummeling the Kings in a stadium with about 70% Kings fans made my night.
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Those of you in NYC or Chicago, if you have a chance to do the Stadium Series, pretty darn cool. Really enjoyed ourselves last night. Of course, the Ducks pummeling the Kings in a stadium with about 70% Kings fans made my night.
And maybe the 65 degrees helped!
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Those of you in NYC or Chicago, if you have a chance to do the Stadium Series, pretty darn cool. Really enjoyed ourselves last night. Of course, the Ducks pummeling the Kings in a stadium with about 70% Kings fans made my night.
Ill be at Soldier field March 1st. Im really excited.
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And maybe the 65 degrees helped!
Heard the ice in California was better than Yankee Stadium. Players really pissed about NY ice yesterday.
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And maybe the 65 degrees helped!
It didn't hurt, that's for sure. Watching a hockey game while people were playing volleyball and playing frisbee right next to the rink was something. Quite a spectacle
Today's write ups in the Sports Business Daily from across the land
Bettman Hints At More SoCal NHL Outdoor Games After Success At Dodger Stadium
Published January 27, 2014
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Bettman touted the L.A. game as one of huge importance for the league
NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman "didn't rule out a return to Southern California" for an outdoor game after Saturday's Ducks-Kings Coors Light Stadium Series game at Dodger Stadium, according to Helene Elliott of the L.A. TIMES. While much was made of the potential impact of warm weather, the conditions on Saturday saw a game-time temperature "within the 60-to-64 degree temperature maintained in NHL rinks" and "no wind." The "three-ring circus before the game was often excessive," but "much about this Stadium Series game was just right, making the Ducks' 3-0 victory a triumph of the spirit as much as a product of refrigeration and technology." Fans in L.A. "seem to want more outdoor games." Elliott wrote, "It was bizarre. It was wonderful. Let's do it again soon." Meanwhile, Hockey HOFer Wayne Gretzky was on hand for the pregame ceremonial puck drop, after he had recently "pulled back from promoting the game or the league" in the wake of his dispute with the NHL over the Coyotes' bankruptcy. Bettman said, "I'm not sure he ever left the fold. People have their own lives to live. But having him as a more frequent presence is very special to us" (L.A. TIMES, 1/26). In N.Y., Karen Crouse noted the crowd of 54,099 "was in full roar" when the game began. Saturday's "balmy weather notwithstanding, it was easy to get the chills." In addition to Gretzky's puck drop, the pregame ceremony included a "joint introduction" of the players by Kings announcer Bob Miller and Dodgers announcer Vin Scully. Crouse: "The beach balls and the Frisbees and the sand and the rock musicians were the side shows and the NHL, in a twist that would have been inconceivable a quarter of a century ago, was the main act" (N.Y. TIMES, 1/26). Bettman said, "Being in Southern California, this may be the biggest thing that’s ever happened for hockey in terms of fans concentrating on an event" (“Ducks-Kings,” NHL Network, 1/25).
HOLLYWOOD ENDING: ESPN.com's Scott Burnside wrote, "It's hard to imagine Hollywood scripting a better start to the NHL's ambitious -- and oft-criticized -- series of regional outdoor games." The NHL "proved it can play with the big boys with a lead-up to the game that simply hit all the right notes." Of all the outdoor games dating back to the Oilers-Canadiens Heritage Classic in '03, this "might have been the fastest, most accurate depiction of a real NHL contest." Ducks C Saku Koivu suggested that the ice "held up surprisingly well, a sentiment echoed by most of the players." Ducks D Francois Beauchemin said the ice was "better than we all thought it would be, better than some NHL arenas" (ESPN.com, 1/25). In L.A., Lisa Dillman wrote the event was "pure Hollywood, from beginning to end, topped off by a brief fireworks display after the final buzzer" (L.A. TIMES, 1/26). ESPN’s Barry Melrose said, "It was just one of those magical moments. The ice was great, so it was a home run by the NHL. It just seems like every one of these outdoor games is better than the last one" (“SportsCenter,” ESPN, 1/26). In L.A., Chris Erskine wrote Dodger Stadium "was so rocking during this milestone event that, for a while, fans quit looking at their cellphones." Erskine: "I'm pretty convinced we're only seeing the beginning of these great outdoor binges" (L.A. TIMES, 1/26). Ducks RW Teemu Selanne said of the game, "The whole package was outstanding. The atmosphere was unbelievable. You don’t have many chances to play in front of 55,000 people in California, outdoors, when you can see the stars. It was awesome. I’m going to remember this ... and I can’t see any reason why we shouldn't do this more" (GLOBE & MAIL, 1/26). ESPN L.A.'s Arash Markazi wrote, "If there was any doubt that Southern California was a serious hockey market, Saturday should have forever quieted those critics" (ESPNLA.com, 1/26).
POMP & CIRCUMSTANCE: The L.A. TIMES' Elliott writes, "The event was a roaring success, though it could have benefited from less volume on the constant, deafening music played during stoppages and less pregame activity around the rink." Elliott: "Beach volleyball and soccer and Frisbee and yoga and bands playing and street hockey? Give the NHL a minor penalty for too many men (and women) on the field." But also "give the NHL a huge win for blending technology with the right touches of sentiment" (L.A. TIMES, 1/27). In L.A., Jill Painter reported musician Paul Stanley, whose band Kiss performed prior to the game and is involved with the AFL Kiss, "was pumping $99 season tickets" for Kiss games during one of the intermissions. The "best red carpet moment" was Gretzky and former MLBer Fernando Valenzuela "meeting for the first time." Celebrities at the game included Cuba Gooding Jr., Dustin Johnson, Pat Sajak, Kerri Walsh-Jennings, Nomar Garciaparra "and so many" more (L.A. DAILY NEWS, 1/26). In L.A., JP Hoornstra wrote the areas surrounding the rink at Dodger Stadium featured "all sorts of shenanigans: People tossing frisbees, beach balls and footballs, skaters on roller skates, skateboarders on skateboards -- even a group of women stretching in yoga poses." The concept "was the brainchild of RK Productions, a Manhattan firm hired by the league to fill out the game-day presentation." RK Productions reps "scoured the beaches of Southern California and hired people -- actual beach bums, not actors -- to participate in the activities" (L.A. DAILY NEWS, 1/26).
COLD ICE, WARM BEER? The L.A. DAILY NEWS' Hoornstra reported, "Since Anheuser-Busch has a partnership with Dodger Stadium, all of its taps (Budweiser, Bud Light, et al) had to be turned off for the game, which was sponsored by Coors Light." Beer was "sold by the bottle, and the extra bottles were stored in an on-site warehouse." To the "surprise of Levy Restaurants, which operates the Dodger Stadium concession stands, some beer stands on the loge level ran out of Coors Light during the first intermission." Some fans who "tried to purchase beer after the first intermission complained that the bottles brought in from the warehouse were warm." A spokesperson said that the sold-out crowd "arrived earlier than anticipated" and took "full advantage of the beer garden outside the stadium, which added to the strain on the resources" (L.A. DAILY NEWS, 1/26).
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Heard the ice in California was better than Yankee Stadium. Players really pissed about NY ice yesterday.
And some of the fans in SoCal were pissed that there was not enough ice for their beer.
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Lots of big names floating around for trade rumors. I've seen Martin St. Louis and Ryan Kessler each demanded a trade and then the Rangers might be getting rid of their Captin Ryan Callahan because he's an unrestricted free agent at the end of the year and they think he's going to walk.
As a Wings fan I'm hoping they make a move for Kessler because he's from Livonia and plays center or both wings. Callahan would be a nice pickup also.
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Was at the stadium series game at soldier field. It was damn cool. Honestly wasnt that cold until the 3rd period though every time I stood up I had to brush quite a bit of snow off of myself. Considering where we were sitting you still got a great view of the ice and could easily follow the play.
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Looked very cool.
A bit concerned about the Blues nabbing Ryan Miller (worth it IMO for a shot this year). Glad the Hawks didn't respond with similar trade, but admit to being a bit puzzled by the Pirie deal...guess they had determined he was not to be a part of the future
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Was at the stadium series game at soldier field. It was damn cool. Honestly wasnt that cold until the 3rd period though every time I stood up I had to brush quite a bit of snow off of myself. Considering where we were sitting you still got a great view of the ice and could easily follow the play.
Good for you, glad you enjoyed it and the weather cooperated.
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Was at the stadium series game at soldier field. It was damn cool. Honestly wasnt that cold until the 3rd period though every time I stood up I had to brush quite a bit of snow off of myself. Considering where we were sitting you still got a great view of the ice and could easily follow the play.
I too attended. The temperature really wasn't bad at all.
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Looked very cool.
A bit concerned about the Blues nabbing Ryan Miller (worth it IMO for a shot this year). Glad the Hawks didn't respond with similar trade, but admit to being a bit puzzled by the Pirie deal...guess they had determined he was not to be a part of the future
Miller trade to me was head scratching. They already had Halak and Elliot. Pirri trade I know why they made it but it pissed me off. Quenville never gave Pirri a fair shake and he would always pull his ice time whenever he made a rookie mistake. Not everybody is a Toews or a Saad and a great two way player right away. This will come back to bit the Hawks in the ass all because of Q's stubbornness.
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Miller trade to me was head scratching. They already had Halak and Elliot. Pirri trade I know why they made it but it pissed me off. Quenville never gave Pirri a fair shake and he would always pull his ice time whenever he made a rookie mistake. Not everybody is a Toews or a Saad and a great two way player right away. This will come back to bit the Hawks in the ass all because of Q's stubbornness.
I liked Piri too. Maybe it's cause I can't stand watching the Handzus hobble around out there. Not mad that he was traded, just surprised they couldn't get more than a 3rd and 5th.
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Pirri is a complete defensive liability and to play for Q you have to play defense. The Hawks have 2 better players in 19 year old Teuvo Teravainen and Hobey Baker winner Drew LeBlanc to play center. I am guessing that Pierre-Marc Bouchard will be called up for the end of the season and the playoffs. But you never know what the Q'Stache is thinking.
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Pirri is a complete defensive liability and to play for Q you have to play defense. The Hawks have 2 better players in 19 year old Teuvo Teravainen and Hobey Baker winner Drew LeBlanc to play center. I am guessing that Pierre-Marc Bouchard will be called up for the end of the season and the playoffs. But you never know what the Q'Stache is thinking.
Teuvo Teravainen will be a stud.
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Pirri is a complete defensive liability and to play for Q you have to play defense. The Hawks have 2 better players in 19 year old Teuvo Teravainen and Hobey Baker winner Drew LeBlanc to play center. I am guessing that Pierre-Marc Bouchard will be called up for the end of the season and the playoffs. But you never know what the Q'Stache is thinking.
Agree about Teuvo but LeBlanc is not better then Pirri. Not by a long shot.
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Agree about Teuvo but LeBlanc is not better then Pirri. Not by a long shot.
As an offensive threat LeBlanc is not better than Pirri. But LeBlanc fits the Hawks playing style better than Pirri does. But I do agree that they should have got more trade value for Pirri. Dale Tallon loves the players he was involved in drafting.
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Teuvo Teravainen will be a stud.
Tay-vo? Tway-vo? Too-vo? Tivo? Haha.
Excited to see what some of these young bucks will bring to the table in the coming years.
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possible debut today?
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Teravainen playing on a line tonight with Saad and Smith it looks like.
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Teravainen playing on a line tonight with Saad and Smith it looks like.
TINY
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Kid has some serious skill.
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Kid has some serious skill.
Lot of work to do. Q was easing him in. Kid is a twig though. Im getting a boner thinking about him playing on the same line as Kane.
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You want to talk about a kid with skills go check out what Gustav Nyquist is doing for the Wings.
Single handily pushing Hockeytown into the playoffs for the 23rd straight year.
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You want to talk about a kid with skills go check out what Gustav Nyquist is doing for the Wings.
Single handily pushing Hockeytown into the playoffs for the 23rd straight year.
24.5 years old is not a "kid". That is like saying those "kids" Kane and Toews, who are basically the same age, have skill.
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24.5 years old is not a "kid". That is like saying those "kids" Kane and Toews, who are basically the same age, have skill.
It's his first full year in the league not 6th or 7th like Kane or Toews.
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It's his first full year in the league not 6th or 7th like Kane or Toews.
I understand that and he is playing great. May be the player of the month. My point is that he is far from a kid. Age makes a kid not how many years he has played. The East has a great battle right now from 5th place to 10th place for a playoff spot.
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What are you, the kid police?
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I understand that and he is playing great. May be the player of the month. My point is that he is far from a kid. Age makes a kid not how many years he has played. The East has a great battle right now from 5th place to 10th place for a playoff spot.
Great playoff race maybe but the east is awful compared to the west.
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What are you, the kid police?
Where do I sign up?
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HUGE win for the Wings last night taking down Boston 3-2. Nyquist had the game winner on a hell of a break away. I'm not joking when I say that he should get some MVP votes. Dude has 28 goals in 51 games and has put the team on his back.
Hockeytown is getting hot at the perfect time
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I have absolutely zero respect for the Blues. I can appreciate what the Red Wings and Babcock do but I have no respect whatsoever for the brand of hockey Hitchcock at the Blues play. Dirtiest team in the NHL and its not even close.
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I have absolutely zero respect for the Blues. I can appreciate what the Red Wings and Babcock do but I have no respect whatsoever for the brand of hockey Hitchcock at the Blues play. Dirtiest team in the NHL and its not even close.
Ahhem, Seabrook? Over/under 2 game suspension for that hit?
PS: Go Bruins.
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I took my son to the Ducks Stars game last night. Good times. My boys played sloppy at times, but did what they were supposed to do. Getzlaf had quite a 48 hours...two goals, two assists, a third child being born and a puck to the face requiring a lot of stitches and new piece of headgear to play last night. A warrior
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I have absolutely zero respect for the Blues. I can appreciate what the Red Wings and Babcock do but I have no respect whatsoever for the brand of hockey Hitchcock at the Blues play. Dirtiest team in the NHL and its not even close.
What did you think of Seabrook....
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What did you think of Seabrook....
Hit him in the head but never left his feet. One game suspension. Thats an outlier and uncharasteristic of him. Wasnt a clean hit but thats just a common theme with Blues players.
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Hit him in the head but never left his feet. One game suspension. Thats an outlier and uncharasteristic of him. Wasnt a clean hit but thats just a common theme with Blues players.
Fair enough.
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Three game suspension is complete BS. He absolutely deserved to be suspended but not for 3 games. Didnt even leave his feet and Backes lowered his head. If Backes is able to play tomorrow im even gonna be more pissed.
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Not happy, but not surprised. As you said earlier, illegal hit, and when you add in that it was the captain, and he likely will be out a couple of games at least. I'm not feeling it for the Hawks right now, but then I think about Detroit last year...
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Three game suspension is complete BS. He absolutely deserved to be suspended but not for 3 games. Didnt even leave his feet and Backes lowered his head. If Backes is able to play tomorrow im even gonna be more pissed.
I was hoping for only two games, but three is understandable. Think if the roles were flipped and someone did that Toews, Kane, or Hossa. We would have been calling for their head (e.g. Torres a couple years ago).
Can't stand Backes (or really anyone on the Blues), but he 100% got a concussion there. Any word if he actually may play tomorrow? Can't imagine he would but it is the NHL.
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I was hoping for only two games, but three is understandable. Think if the roles were flipped and someone did that Toews, Kane, or Hossa. We would have been calling for their head (e.g. Torres a couple years ago).
Can't stand Backes (or really anyone on the Blues), but he 100% got a concussion there. Any word if he actually may play tomorrow? Can't imagine he would but it is the NHL.
Seabrook, in 9 seasons, has never been fined, much less suspended. Torres is a goon. This wasn't some enforcer head hunting, this was one of the top D-men in the league delivering a hard check. Backes has been head hunting all series and Steen has been hitting Seabrook in the head all series, its just complete garbage. When Seabrook lined Backes up, Backes was about to handle the puck, but he messed up, over skated the puck, and had to correct, hence why his head was down. Its a punishment befitting of someone with a history of dirty play, not Seabrook.
This will absolutely change the series. Besides losing a top player, the Blues have been more physical than the Hawks all series, and to compete, the Hawks need to match it. But now with this in the back of their minds, that will be challenging. Ugh.
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Seabrook, in 9 seasons, has never been fined, much less suspended. Torres is a goon. This wasn't some enforcer head hunting, this was one of the top D-men in the league delivering a hard check. Backes has been head hunting all series and Steen has been hitting Seabrook in the head all series, its just complete garbage. When Seabrook lined Backes up, Backes was about to handle the puck, but he messed up, over skated the puck, and had to correct, hence why his head was down. Its a punishment befitting of someone with a history of dirty play, not Seabrook.
This will absolutely change the series. Besides losing a top player, the Blues have been more physical than the Hawks all series, and to compete, the Hawks need to match it. But now with this in the back of their minds, that will be challenging. Ugh.
Are you suggesting there should have been no suspension?
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Are you suggesting there should have been no suspension?
I think 1 game would have been fair, given the clean history and the circumstances of the hit (Seabrook legitimately may have thought he had the puck, and if Backes doesn't duck a bit, it may have hit shoulder.) I'm also a Hawks fan, so grain of salt.
That being said, 3 doesn't strike me as egregious.
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I think 1 game would have been fair, given the clean history and the circumstances of the hit (Seabrook legitimately may have thought he had the puck, and if Backes doesn't duck a bit, it may have hit shoulder.) I'm also a Hawks fan, so grain of salt.
That being said, 3 doesn't strike me as egregious.
I agree with the first paragraph. I dont think there was any intent, Backes didn't help himself at all and its not like he was defenseless. But given the severity of the hit and the fact that it was a 5 min major and he was tossed, a 1 game suspension would have made sense. But 3 games with no precedent or history, in the playoffs, is far too severe in my opinion, absolutely.
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Stay classy Duncan.
http://deadspin.com/ugly-blues-blackhawks-series-gets-uglier-with-wakey-wa-1565607682
PS: Go Bruins
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Stay classy Duncan.
http://deadspin.com/ugly-blues-blackhawks-series-gets-uglier-with-wakey-wa-1565607682
PS: Go Bruins
Just saying, its reaaallly ironic how the Blues are bitching about gutless plays and cheap shots. Those who live in glass houses...
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Stay classy Duncan.
http://deadspin.com/ugly-blues-blackhawks-series-gets-uglier-with-wakey-wa-1565607682
PS: Go Bruins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioq2gp2pJu4
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Stay classy Duncan.
http://deadspin.com/ugly-blues-blackhawks-series-gets-uglier-with-wakey-wa-1565607682
PS: Go Bruins
On a scale of 1 to 10, of things said on a hockey rink (and yes I still play), that is about a 1.5 of what I have heard on a rink let alone the NHL. Too funny that idiot websites make such a big deal about something so harmless.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ioq2gp2pJu4
I am well aware of the Bruins warts, but I won't piss and moan like Hawks fans. I'm mad he got 3 games, because now y'all now an excuse why the Hawks will get knocked out by the Blues.
It's weird, every friend I have on Facebook from the Chicagoland area becomes a huge Hawks fan in mid-April. Just weird.
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On a scale of 1 to 10, of things said on a hockey rink (and yes I still play), that is about a 1.5 of what I have heard on a rink let alone the NHL. Too funny that idiot websites make such a big deal about something so harmless.
Thanks for your awesome perspective from playing hockey against 40 year olds.
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Thanks for your awesome perspective from playing hockey against 40 year olds.
Far from 40 year olds but that is funny. Been playing since I was 5. Thanks for your false perspective.
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Far from 40 year olds but that is funny. Been playing since I was 5. Thanks for your false perspective.
Oh sorry, what are you 27, playing Tuesday nights at 11pm? My point is that your epic amateur career has nothing to do with this. Woofing at someone being carried off the ice by teammates classless, regardless of what team you cheer for.
But hey, in your pond hockey league you have heard worse, so yeah, you have the big dick.
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I am well aware of the Bruins warts, but I won't piss and moan like Hawks fans. I'm mad he got 3 games, because now y'all now an excuse why the Hawks will get knocked out by the Blues.
It's weird, every friend I have on Facebook from the Chicagoland area becomes a huge Hawks fan in mid-April. Just weird.
Please. Every fan base have those who whine, are obnoxious, and have band wagon fans. Gasp, even Boston!
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Please. Every fan base have those who whine, are obnoxious, and have band wagon fans. Gasp, even Boston!
No way, bro. #bostonstrong
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I am well aware of the Bruins warts, but I won't piss and moan like Hawks fans. I'm mad he got 3 games, because now y'all now an excuse why the Hawks will get knocked out by the Blues.
It's weird, every friend I have on Facebook from the Chicagoland area becomes a huge Hawks fan in mid-April. Just weird.
As opposed to everyone around Milwaukee/Wisconsin when the Brewers are winning games? All successful teams have bandwagon fans. Don't be a hypocrite.
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Just saying, its reaaallly ironic how the Blues are bitching about gutless plays and cheap shots. Those who live in glass houses...
Don't watch PTI today...Wilbon and Kornheiser said he should be suspended indefinitely
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Oh sorry, what are you 27, playing Tuesday nights at 11pm? My point is that your epic amateur career has nothing to do with this. Woofing at someone being carried off the ice by teammates classless, regardless of what team you cheer for.
But hey, in your pond hockey league you have heard worse, so yeah, you have the big dick.
Yeah, what crappy perspective. Definitely not as good as "my friends on facebook said this..."
And seriously, what a silly comment to get worked up over.
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Don't watch PTI today...Wilbon and Kornheiser said he should be suspended indefinitely
Two guys that know very little about hockey, keep it.
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Weird game in Columbus tonight. Pens getting very little from the big names, but getting Ws. Guess that's all that matters, although it would be nice to see Geno or Crosby put one in the net.
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Two guys that know very little about hockey, keep it.
Disagree...Wilbon was at tonight's game and grew up playing hockey in Chicago....he knows a bit about hockey and TK has written columns about the Washington Caps for many years.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/a-caps-centric-farewell-to-mic.html
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On a scale of 1 to 10, of things said on a hockey rink (and yes I still play), that is about a 1.5 of what I have heard on a rink let alone the NHL. Too funny that idiot websites make such a big deal about something so harmless.
There was plenty of fighting in my adult hockey league over some words.
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The Joe is gonna be rocking tonight. Let's Go Red Wings!!!
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Disagree...Wilbon was at tonight's game and grew up playing hockey in Chicago....he knows a bit about hockey and TK has written columns about the Washington Caps for many years.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/a-caps-centric-farewell-to-mic.html
Of course Wilbon was there, he's around whenever a Chicago team does well.
They're still idiots that barely know the sport.
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Stay classy Duncan.
http://deadspin.com/ugly-blues-blackhawks-series-gets-uglier-with-wakey-wa-1565607682
PS: Go Bruins
You've been talking a lot of smack against Hawks fans but Boston is by far the most annoying of fans. Amongst any sport.
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You've been talking a lot of smack against Hawks fans but Boston is by far the most annoying of fans. Amongst any sport.
Agreed. Also, I have been sitting here staring at the gif in your signature line for about the past 5 minutes now.
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Agreed. Also, I have been sitting here staring at the gif in your signature line for about the past 5 minutes now.
hahaha jacobs vs lorenzo. He got caught with some wild hard punches
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2828/9550146613_f2aa1e6d13_o.gif)
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You've been talking a lot of smack against Hawks fans but Boston is by far the most annoying of fans. Amongst any sport.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U0CtkLD7OGU/TWAame9Y3QI/AAAAAAAAAEE/dJcg1C9uk04/s1600/haters_gonna_hate.jpg)
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We lost Robidas to a broken leg last night. Not good.
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-U0CtkLD7OGU/TWAame9Y3QI/AAAAAAAAAEE/dJcg1C9uk04/s1600/haters_gonna_hate.jpg)
If you're going to say that you should really use this video, it's just better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjy_7haflaM
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**yawn**
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**yawn**
The awesomeness of hockey just too much for you?
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The awesomeness of hockey just too much for you?
Hockey is about as exciting as the NBA Eastern Conference Playoffs.
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**yawn**
Coming from the kid, who loves this.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4781307/top-gun-o.gif)
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Coming from the kid, who loves this.
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4781307/top-gun-o.gif)
Nah not a fan of sand volleyball. Indoor, however...
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Hawks win tonight in regulation. I'll be at Caff's getting rowdy with other Blackhawks fans
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Hawks sent a message to the rest of the West. Looks like theyre finally out of coast mode.
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So much for the Blues' "missing piece"
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Lookin real good
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Dominant third period by the Hawks. Great way to close out the series.
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Way to shove it down STL's throat in the end! We may not have had the most dominant regular season but we are still THE power in the west
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Way to shove it down STL's throat in the end! We may not have had the most dominant regular season but we are still THE power in the west
Uhm, let's see how the next few weeks go. St. Louis came into the series playing awful hockey. They lost their last 6 regular season games and 7 of 9. Total collapse.
Chicago is very good, but so are a lot of teams out west, especially if they are healthy. Lots of hockey left.
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Uhm, let's see how the next few weeks go. St. Louis came into the series playing awful hockey. They lost their last 6 regular season games and 7 of 9. Total collapse.
Chicago is very good, but so are a lot of teams out west, especially if they are healthy. Lots of hockey left.
Name one team with a more talented roster.
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Name one team with a more talented roster.
I think they have a ton of talent, they have holes just like anyone. Comes down to hot goalie, how healthy, etc. Right now, Ducks (my Ducks) massive injuries all in the last 6 games...really sucks, but that's the way it goes. I like San Jose's club, Colorado is explosive....Kings normally have a great defense and that finally showed up last night.
I'm merely saying the Blues didn't exactly come in hot, they were horrible the last 3 weeks of the season.
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That was fun
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Hoping the Wild can still... pull it out.
Really rough game to lose last night. Back home tomorrow.
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Hoping the Wild can still... pull it out.
Really rough game to lose last night. Back home tomorrow.
Yeah, that was a big one. I saw you guys were winning 3-2 and thought you had it.
Tonight, Ducks losing 4-2 with 2:30 left. Pull the goalie and score twice in 2 minutes, including one with about 30 seconds left. Then in OT they hit the post, we come down a minute later and score. Game of inches.
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Hawks had a rough time with Colorado during the regular season. Should be an interesting second round match up if the Avs get by the Wild.
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Uhm, let's see how the next few weeks go. St. Louis came into the series playing awful hockey. They lost their last 6 regular season games and 7 of 9. Total collapse.
Chicago is very good, but so are a lot of teams out west, especially if they are healthy. Lots of hockey left.
I'm in complete agreement with you about St. Louis they choked away that 1 seed. But the fact is the Hawks are THE team in the west. Gimme any team in the nhl that's done better in 6 years than them the only team on that level is the bruins.
But I'm not exactly signing them to a cup but I do feel good about a conference finals appearance after seeing the wild Avs series.
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I think they have a ton of talent, they have holes just like anyone. Comes down to hot goalie, how healthy, etc.
I'm merely saying the Blues didn't exactly come in hot, they were horrible the last 3 weeks of the season.
Agreed on the Blues late season collapse, the role of injuries and that getting through the rest of the West will be a real challenge. Disagree on the Hawks having "holes." Really a well-balanced and deep team. They can play puck control; have enough size (Bickel, Seabrook, Bollig) and feistiness (Shaw, Toews) to counter efforts to take them out of their puck-control, highly skilled game; maybe the best defensemen depth in the league; two of the top two-way forwards in the league (Toews and Hossa). Plus a very good goaltender. No holes. (And I didn't mention Kane or Sharp--ther, now I did).
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Agreed on the Blues late season collapse, the role of injuries and that getting through the rest of the West will be a real challenge. Disagree on the Hawks having "holes." Really a well-balanced and deep team. They can play puck control; have enough size (Bickel, Seabrook, Bollig) and feistiness (Shaw, Toews) to counter efforts to take them out of their puck-control, highly skilled game; maybe the best defensemen depth in the league; two of the top two-way forwards in the league (Toews and Hossa). Plus a very good goaltender. No holes. (And I didn't mention Kane or Sharp--ther, now I did).
Meh, I wouldnt lose any sleep of Q happened to bench Bollig for Morrin the rest of the playoffs.
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Agreed on the Blues late season collapse, the role of injuries and that getting through the rest of the West will be a real challenge. Disagree on the Hawks having "holes." Really a well-balanced and deep team. They can play puck control; have enough size (Bickel, Seabrook, Bollig) and feistiness (Shaw, Toews) to counter efforts to take them out of their puck-control, highly skilled game; maybe the best defensemen depth in the league; two of the top two-way forwards in the league (Toews and Hossa). Plus a very good goaltender. No holes. (And I didn't mention Kane or Sharp--ther, now I did).
Every team has holes, it is to what degree.
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Blackhawks biggest obstacle will be their penalties.
The STL series will be the most difficult series for them until the Cup.
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Every team has holes, it is to what degree.
. What holes?
And on the Bollig comment- agreed, until he is needed
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. What holes?
The Blackhawks biggest problem going forward through these playoffs is the limited ice time that Q is willing to give his 4th line. You can (and should) lean heavily on your top 6 during the playoffs, but as the high intensity minutes pile up it becomes important to be able to roll out 4 lines with some reliability.
The parade to the penalty box must also stop. The suspect penalty kill was a revelation in this series, and was likely the deciding factor. But you simply cannot allow another period like the second in game six to happen without consequences.
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The Blackhawks biggest problem going forward through these playoffs is the limited ice time that Q is willing to give his 4th line. You can (and should) lean heavily on your top 6 during the playoffs, but as the high intensity minutes pile up it becomes important to be able to roll out 4 lines with some reliability.
The parade to the penalty box must also stop. The suspect penalty kill was a revelation in this series, and was likely the deciding factor. But you simply cannot allow another period like the second in game six to happen without consequences.
Depth is a non issue. Versteeg will be back in the lineup after being sent a message and HOPEFULLY, Morrin ore Regin will take the place of Bollig next series because the Avs and Wild are no where near as physical as the Blues.
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. What holes?
And on the Bollig comment- agreed, until he is needed
Perhaps weaknesses is a better word. If a team didn't have any holes, they would win every game. I would say at times it is Handzus, Kruger, Bollig. Handzus had 6 points in his last 36 games, as an example. Crawford will be interesting to watch since he only played about 2/3 of the schedule this year.
Trust me, I'm not ripping on them. They are the champs and a very good team, I just don't believe any team is without chinks in the armor...everyone has them.
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Depth is a non issue. Versteeg will be back in the lineup after being sent a message and HOPEFULLY, Morrin ore Regin will take the place of Bollig next series because the Avs and Wild are no where near as physical as the Blues.
If your 4th liners are playing 5 minutes or less per game in the opening round of the playoffs, depth is an issue. It's a small one, but it exists. It probably existed by necessity since the Hawks found themselves in an early series hole and were without one of their top 4 D. Not an ideal place to roll your bottom six out on the ice with regularity. It could change next series but is something to keep an eye on.
Versteeg played his way to the press box and has not been the same player he was in his first stint with the team. In his defense, the Blues style of play does not suit what he does well since they force play to the outside and deploy a heavy forecheck. They take away all of the space that he loves to do whatever he tries to do with it, and winning board battles has never been his strength.
Versteeg's game may hold up better in the next round as there will probably be more room to operate and the pace of play will be much faster. But I'm not counting on it.
And as far as Morin goes, I agree with you that he should see some time on the ice. But there was a reason why Nordstrom was called up to play yesterday and Morin wasn't. I just don't know what it can be other than that Q doesn't feel comfortable with him in the lineup right now.
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Perhaps weaknesses is a better word. If a team didn't have any holes, they would win every game. I would say at times it is Handzus, Kruger, Bollig. Handzus had 6 points in his last 36 games, as an example. Crawford will be interesting to watch since he only played about 2/3 of the schedule this year.
Trust me, I'm not ripping on them. They are the champs and a very good team, I just don't believe any team is without chinks in the armor...everyone has them.
Bollig I absolutely agree with you but that because Q is stubborn and refuses to bench him. Absolutely love what Kruger brings to the Hawks, one of my favorite players and extremely underrated.
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Perhaps weaknesses is a better word. If a team didn't have any holes, they would win every game. I would say at times it is Handzus, Kruger, Bollig. Handzus had 6 points in his last 36 games, as an example. Crawford will be interesting to watch since he only played about 2/3 of the schedule this year.
Trust me, I'm not ripping on them. They are the champs and a very good team, I just don't believe any team is without chinks in the armor...everyone has them.
Ideally, the Hawks lines would look something like this:
Bickell - Toews - Hossa/Kane
Sharp - Smith - Kane/Hossa
Saad - Kruger - Shaw
Morin - Regin - Versteeg
The problem is that Handzus is extremely valuable on the most important special teams unit in the playoffs so he has to be in the lineup. He is so slow that you can't play him on the top two lines and cannot hold up with the minutes needed to play on the 3rd line. So you stash him on the 4th line and absorb the minutes elsewhere.
Zus is not counted on to score, and the Hawks don't need him to. They were leading the NHL in goals for most of the season until 19 & 88 went down. Kruger centers the checking line and is another asset on the PK. I have no idea what Bollig brings to the table, but Q loves him and I trust him to use the players he has better than me.
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Every team has holes, it is to what degree.
Agreed. However, at this point in the season, that weakness cannot be your netminder. Crawford is a significant asset and his play is offsetting the penalty issues.
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The Blackhawks biggest problem going forward through these playoffs is the limited ice time that Q is willing to give his 4th line. You can (and should) lean heavily on your top 6 during the playoffs, but as the high intensity minutes pile up it becomes important to be able to roll out 4 lines with some reliability.
The parade to the penalty box must also stop. The suspect penalty kill was a revelation in this series, and was likely the deciding factor. But you simply cannot allow another period like the second in game six to happen without consequences.
I disagree about the ice time for the 4th line.
Those guys need to be your PK or PP specialists. The time to roll 4 lines was the regular season -- something Q couldn't bring himself to do for some reason, especially the last few weeks before the playoffs.
Zus is the in the role John Madden held in 2010. Q loves him some veteran killers.
I'm just hoping for 7 games out of the Avs-Wild series. Triple OT would be fine, too.
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Perhaps weaknesses is a better word. If a team didn't have any holes, they would win every game. I would say at times it is Handzus, Kruger, Bollig. Handzus had 6 points in his last 36 games, as an example. Crawford will be interesting to watch since he only played about 2/3 of the schedule this year.
Trust me, I'm not ripping on them. They are the champs and a very good team, I just don't believe any team is without chinks in the armor...everyone has them.
May have been a matter of terminolgy, then. Of course they have weaknesses and/or eareas in which they could be better (every area, frankly). Though I am surprised that you would look to how many points Handzus had in a given span, when his primary and quite important contribution is on the kill. I know they are not a perfect team. As you say, there is no such thing.
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I disagree about the ice time for the 4th line.
Those guys need to be your PK or PP specialists. The time to roll 4 lines was the regular season --
I'm not arguing for the 4th line taking regular shifts throughout the game. They just need to be able to be reliably thrown out there to spell the top forwards and not get pinned in their own end or take penalties. At this point, Q has shown enough trust in his 4th line to throw them out there as a unit for as little as 2 minutes for the entire game. That's about three shifts.
4th liners are great to use to spell some of your top forwards when they may need some extra rest. So if you have forwards that don't typically kill penalties, you can throw them out for a shift or two after to spell your penalty killers.
Handzus is a PK specialist so you can't really put him out with Bollig or the other dressed 4th line wing to rest him. Kruger kills penalties too, so he can't center them either. And you're not going to break up your top two lines to skate Bollig and Nordstrom on Smith or Toews wing. So the only solution is keep throwing the regular lines out there and hope they're not too gassed to take another penalty or be a quarter step slow getting to a loose puck.
It might not make a difference every game. But it will eventually make a difference. Look at the minutes for the end of the roster in 2010 and 2013. Guys were still used sparingly, but even then they typically had around 10 minutes per game.
I also don't think too many teams stash away power play specialists on the 4th line.
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San Jose should no longer be listed in the regular season standings since they're really good at turning invisible 8-)
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San Jose should no longer be listed in the regular season standings since they're really good at turning invisible 8-)
I was really hoping they would win. Kings fans are so annoying and they will buy up a ton of tickets in Anaheim unfortunately. Ugh. I'll be there for games 1 and 2....quack quack, go Ducks.
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Hard to believe that was only the first round of playoffs. So good. Nearly every series/game was better than the next.
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Hard to believe that was only the first round of playoffs. So good. Nearly every series/game was better than the next.
+1.
Looking forward to what I feel is the inevitable Pens - Bs conference final.
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+1.
Looking forward to what I feel is the inevitable Pens - Bs conference final.
I agree with that. Looks to be setting up nicely for the Hawks to be taking on the winner.
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Hawks in 5. Have tickets to the game tomorrow, weekend before finals at that.
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+1.
Looking forward to what I feel is the inevitable Pens - Bs conference final.
So am I!
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So am I!
Tough result tonight for the B's but that was one heck of a start to the conference semis. Who has a harder shot, Subban or Boychuk?
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Chico's, did you catch those chicks behind both benches last night on the Shrrrks/Kings broadcast wearing the Bail Bonds fluorescent t-shirts? What gives? Are you just going to let them muscle in on your territory?
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Would not shock me in the slightest if MTL beat the Bruins. Bruins are terribly overrated.
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Chico's, did you catch those chicks behind both benches last night on the Shrrrks/Kings broadcast wearing the Bail Bonds fluorescent t-shirts? What gives? Are you just going to let them muscle in on your territory?
No, I missed it. Were they wearing bail bonds shirts or Chicos shirts? Chicos apparently is a women's clothing store out here (maybe nationally, who knows).
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Good first win for the Hawks. Love the Kane - Sharp - Smith line. Bickel on the PP. Crwford very good.
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If Bryz is in goal, this may be a sweep
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Would not shock me in the slightest if MTL beat the Bruins. Bruins are terribly overrated.
The east is over rated in general. Better this year but still just wayyy overrated
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If Bryz is in goal, this may be a sweep
In his defense he couldnt do much about the 5 goals. Bickell deflected the first one and he had no chance, the 2nd was a great pass by Saad the Kane goal was the dirtiest thing I have seen this playoffs and the other goal he didnt have a shot at saving. But that being said hes still not that great.
Going back to the Kane goal, I was at the UC and I dont think anybody expected that to go in. There was a delayed reaction for sure.
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"I do not believe what I just saw." Magic.
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No, I missed it. Were they wearing bail bonds shirts or Chicos shirts? Chicos apparently is a women's clothing store out here (maybe nationally, who knows).
Oh its national, publicly traded chain. But its for older women's clothes, like Talbots. I doubt they have neon t-shirts.
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No, I missed it. Were they wearing bail bonds shirts or Chicos shirts? Chicos apparently is a women's clothing store out here (maybe nationally, who knows).
No, the shirts were actually hawking some bail bonds company from what it looked like... it was not the Chico's apparel chain.
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Great comeback for the B's, looking forward to the next couple in Montreal.
As for the East overrated talk, just curious how that line of thinking can come to be. Overrated by whom? The media? I guess, but with most of the major NHL media markets in the Eastern Conference (NY, Detroit, Boston, Philly, Pittsburgh, Montreal, Toronto, hell even Buffalo is a huge hockey town), what do you expect? The west has Chicago. So yeah, the media coverage is going to be skewed.
Go B's.
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For the second time in 3 years the Bruins have to apologize for racist comments by fans. It was so bad that the N word was a top twitter trend. Nice Boston.
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I find it extremely comical that Ducks fans are chanting "Beat LA" when over half of them are more then likely Laker fans.
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Tough way to lose, Chicos. The Ducks can bounce back--the Hawks lost the first two to the Blues in similar last minute (7 seconds!) fashion.
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For the second time in 3 years the Bruins have to apologize for racist comments by fans. It was so bad that the N word was a top twitter trend. Nice Boston.
I thought that "twitter trend" turned out to be on guy saying he saw it a lot on his timeline, and it wasn't actually trending. Let me find the story.
IIRC
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I find it extremely comical that Ducks fans are chanting "Beat LA" when over half of them are more then likely Laker fans.
You would be surprised how many of us despise the Lakers and the NBA in general. Nevertheless, the point was to beat the LA team that was playing, unless the Lakers were on the ice it wouldn't much matter as it is irrelevant.
Plenty of folks in LA county don't care for Orange County and vice versa.
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Tough way to lose, Chicos. The Ducks can bounce back--the Hawks lost the first two to the Blues in similar last minute (7 seconds!) fashion.
It sucked, but I could feel it happening. I turned to my son, a Kings fan, in the second period and said to him this just smells of a Kings victory because the Ducks keep hitting the post (4 times) and can't get one in. Quick is a stud, that's the other major concern and why I wanted San Jose.
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Another great round of playoffs.
Go B's.
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Go Wild! Hawks have to be a little nervous
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Go Wild! Hawks have to be a little nervous
Good game by the Wild, and Bryz did what he had to do in the third. As a Hawks fan, I'm chagrined to see Cooke back in the lineup.
That said, the Hawks played really poorly. Mistakes by everyone on the ice, but particularly the d-men. Rozival was terrible, Seabrook was terrible, even Keith made some mistakes.
Way too much time and space for the Minne forwards. Wild players were putting up tents and campstoves in front of Crawford. He got hung out to dry several times.
You can overcome bad games by a couple guys, but that was too much.
Better find that next gear on Sunday, Hawks!
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Go Wild! Hawks have to be a little nervous
Really not nervous at all. By far the least talented team left in the playoffs and its not even close. Hawks fin their stride and win the next two going away. I say the hawks are +6 in goals the next two games.
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Chicos--waiting for your guys--close it out tonight.
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Surprised only at how well the Wild kept it close last night, but the outcome, of the series anyway, was never in doubt.
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After a pretty brutal effort in game 4, the Hawks did what they do best in the playoffs. Make adjustments and close out the series when given the opportunity.
It's kinda funny that the league forced Q's hand into putting his most effective lineup by sitting Bollig down for his stupid hit on Ballard. It'll be interesting to see if Q keeps Regin and Nordstrom in the lineup. The bottom of the lineup is a lot more flexible with those two in, and it made a big difference in games 5 and 6.
Corey Crawford. Not sure what more he needs to do for people to see how valuable he is for this team. He gave up some soft goals in this series, but was absolutely nails when they needed him in these last two games.
Halfway there. Let's go Hawks!
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Expect Krejci to break out his playoff scoring slump tonight, will net 2, B's win 4-1.
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I'm glad the Rangers won last night, I hate Pittsburg
Oh and how about them Grand Rapids Griffins going for the second straight Calder Cup. Make it happen boys
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After a pretty brutal effort in game 4, the Hawks did what they do best in the playoffs. Make
Corey Crawford. Not sure what more he needs to do for people to see how valuable he is for this team. He gave up some soft goals in this series, but was absolutely nails when they needed him in these last two games.
Agreed. Crow has been the Hawks overall best player in the first two rounds.
Best player in the last three games has been Marcus Krueger -- he's had some serious jump.
Versteeg also seems like he really responded to his benching.
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Expect Krejci to break out his playoff scoring slump tonight, will net 2, B's win 4-1.
Gawd, I hope you're right. Been waiting all series long.
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After a pretty brutal effort in game 4, the Hawks did what they do best in the playoffs. Make adjustments and close out the series when given the opportunity.
It's kinda funny that the league forced Q's hand into putting his most effective lineup by sitting Bollig down for his stupid hit on Ballard. It'll be interesting to see if Q keeps Regin and Nordstrom in the lineup. The bottom of the lineup is a lot more flexible with those two in, and it made a big difference in games 5 and 6.
Corey Crawford. Not sure what more he needs to do for people to see how valuable he is for this team. He gave up some soft goals in this series, but was absolutely nails when they needed him in these last two games.
Halfway there. Let's go Hawks!
I am guessing one of them will sit once Shaw comes back.
I think the hawks really missed them in this series as a presence in front of the net!
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I am guessing one of them will sit once Shaw comes back.
I think the hawks really missed them in this series as a presence in front of the net!
No question that they missed Shaw. He doesn't look like much but his game is perfectly suited for the playoffs. He is gritty with plenty of skill to go along with it, and is an enormous pain in the ass for the other team to deal with. What they missed most was his willingness to go to the dirty areas to score.
I think Nordstrom sits when Shaw gets back. Fine with me, just so long as Bollig is done playing. I am a bit concerned that Shaw's injury might keep him out for the whole conference final. He still isn't skating.
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No question that they missed Shaw. He doesn't look like much but his game is perfectly suited for the playoffs. He is gritty with plenty of skill to go along with it, and is an enormous pain in the ass for the other team to deal with. What they missed most was his willingness to go to the dirty areas to score.
I think Nordstrom sits when Shaw gets back. Fine with me, just so long as Bollig is done playing. I am a bit concerned that Shaw's injury might keep him out for the whole conference final. He still isn't skating.
Yea, I think the injury is much worse than theyre letting on. Ideally they would bench Nordy and keep Reign with Versteeg and Kruger ans those 3 have played so well together. That way you can put the Bickell, Smith and Kane as well as the Hossa, Toews and Sharp line back together.
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Chicos--waiting for your guys--close it out tonight.
I think it goes 7 and it's up for grabs. I hate playing the Kings, their defense is so damn frustrating.
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2-1 after 2. Palmieri goal was HUGE and best wrap around (glad certain of the posters don't follow the hockey thread) I've ever seen, especially after Gibson let in that weak goal. Could have been floodgates...
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The end of that game :o :o :o
As a Hawks fan, bring on another 60 minute emotion filled roller coaster please!
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Lucic is a penis.
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Lucic is a penis.
Right on. Apparently he can't take losing like a man either.
http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?Lucic%2bcan%27t%2bgrin%2band%2bbear%2bIt&id=452238 (http://www.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?Lucic%2bcan%27t%2bgrin%2band%2bbear%2bIt&id=452238)
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Wha-wha-wha... huh... what's going on??? What time is it? Ahh geez and dang it... someone wake me up about 5 minutes before that little weasel Bettman steps onto the ice. I hope he slips & cracks his head open and ends up spending 7 hours in the ER waiting room at Rush.
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I'm glad the Bruins are out of it as they are just a great overall team, but I have no interest in trying to beat Lundqvist in the finals either.
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I'm glad the Bruins are out of it as they are just a great overall team, but I have no interest in trying to beat Lundqvist in the finals either.
Lot of good goalies left, and yes I include Crawford in that statement.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/statshome.htm?navid=nav-sts-league# (http://www.nhl.com/ice/statshome.htm?navid=nav-sts-league#)
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Good start, but will not fee comfortable against this team until 4th win.
So glad no Avs and no Bruins.
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So glad no Avs and no Bruins.
Agreed. On paper we're the best team.... most complete team at least. Obviously anything can happen but it's certainly lined up pretty nicely so far.
Nice job all around today. Kings looked outmatched but I expect a lot more from then in Game 2.
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I never want to see Brandon Bollig suit up ever again for the Blackhawks. He is brutally awful and it shows each and every time he is on the ice. I dont know what Q sees in him because literally nobody else that I know who follows the Hawks wants him in the lineup. He is a liability on the ice and to say there isnt a better options is ludacris. Q is getting Buzz level type bad by still playing him, the difference is thdre are enough other guys to pick up the slack. For the love of god, no more Brandon Bollig, ever.
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That was the first Hawks playoff game I turned off. I almost turned it off after the 4th goal which was just lazy and inexcusable, and then finally did after the 5th. What a lazy and uninspired 3rd period. It was honestly embarrassing.
That being said, this team has responded very well from tough losses so far in the playoffs, and Q seems to right the ship rather quickly, so it will be interesting to see how they come out on Saturday. I expect inspired play from the opening drop.
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I never want to see Brandon Bollig suit up ever again for the Blackhawks.
Yes, scratch Bollig, Rozival in favor of Nordstrom/Morin, Brookbank for the the remainder of the playoffs. Bump Seabrook to the 3rd D-pairing until he gets his head out of arse.
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I am also relieved that Daniel Carcillo is no longer making dumb-a$$ plays in an Indian-head sweater, but is back to making them in an Eastern conference uniform.
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Other than one loss in a 7 game series, the way the game played out meant nothing. The Hawks absolutely dominated for 18 1/2 minutes in the 2nd period and then a fluke goal that crawled into the net changed the whole game.
Now, if the Hawks lose 4-3 in the series, it can be looked back upon as significant. But that game will have no more effect on the series than if it was a hard fought 1-0 loss.
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Hawks just failed to keep skating the whole game. Bad loss, but likely just too good not to win the series.
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Going to the game tonight
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Going to the game tonight
Cheering for the Hawks, I'm sure ;D
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Cheering for the Hawks, I'm sure ;D
I'm taking my son (Kings fan), wife (Kings fan), daughter (Ducks fan). So highly unlikely....plus, my liberal ways would never allow me to cheer for a team with an Indian mascot
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I'm taking my son (Kings fan), wife (Kings fan), daughter (Ducks fan). So highly unlikely....plus, my liberal ways would never allow me to cheer for a team with an Indian mascot
;D
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The chants of CRAWFORD, CRAWFORD were pretty loud.
California hockey has done pretty well the last 10 years. Don't know if the Kings will win this, but I'm sure Hawks fans aren't thrilled right now.
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The chants of CRAWFORD, CRAWFORD were pretty loud.
California hockey has done pretty well the last 10 years. Don't know if the Kings will win this, but I'm sure Hawks fans aren't thrilled right now.
You are correct, sir. Need to win game 4 (duh).
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The chants of CRAWFORD, CRAWFORD were pretty loud.
California hockey has done pretty well the last 10 years. Don't know if the Kings will win this, but I'm sure Hawks fans aren't thrilled right now.
Lead by a local kid, Jonathan Quick.
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California hockey has done pretty well the last 10 years.
Yes they have. If the Kings, the Ducks and the Sharks success were added together they could be the Blackhawks.
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Yes they have. If the Kings, the Ducks and the Sharks success were added together they could be the Blackhawks.
If the Kings, Ducks, and Sharks had been playing in a 6 team league forever they would have been better than the Blackhawks.
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If the Kings, Ducks, and Sharks had been playing in a 6 team league forever they would have been better than the Blackhawks.
Pretty sure Lenny meant that even in the last 10 years if you combined what the Kings Ducks and Sharks have won you'd get what the Blackhawks have won (2 cups)
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Pretty sure Lenny meant that even in the last 10 years if you combined what the Kings Ducks and Sharks have won you'd get what the Blackhawks have won (2 cups)
Pay the man, Shirley.
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Yes they have. If the Kings, the Ducks and the Sharks success were added together they could be the Blackhawks.
No argument from me. My point was that 20 years ago California teams had never won a Cup, had only been to one and barely did anything in the playoffs. People would have laughed at you about California hockey. When I was with the Ducks, that was the deal....fledgling team, trying to get our bearings.
What amazing fruit is has born, however. Some pretty amazing hockey being played out here. In the last 11 Western Conference Finals, a California team in it 9 times. All the years prior to that (Campbell Conference, etc), ONE time a California team was in it.
The sports has come a long way. I remember in the early years when I worked there how many of the experts said the team would fold and hockey would never survive. Reminds of the experts in the early years saying satellite TV would never get past 10 million subscribers combined. Fun stuff.
You could have a scenario where 3 of the last 8 Cup Champions are from So. Cal.....people would have been in the streets of Chicago, Detroit, NY, Montreal, Boston laughing their fool heads off if you said that 10 or 15 years ago.
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Lead by a local kid, Jonathan Quick.
Yep, born in my hometown, Milford!
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Ive accepted the end of the season. The Blackhawks have given up and thus so have I. What piss poor performances by the defense, Crawford isn't to blame. Onto the World Cup.
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Ive accepted the end of the season. The Blackhawks have given up and thus so have I. What piss poor performances by the defense, Crawford isn't to blame. Onto the World Cup.
The end of the 2nd/most of the 3rd was "encouraging", but they have no chance if they are going to start slow like that, or if they are going to take full periods off like they have in the past. 2 of the final 3 are at the UC and this team has firepower, but short of them winning Game 5 by 4-1 or something similarly impressive, I don't see it happening.
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You could have a scenario where 3 of the last 8 Cup Champions are from So. Cal.....people would have been in the streets of Chicago, Detroit, NY, Montreal, Boston laughing their fool heads off if you said that 10 or 15 years ago.
Nobody "laughs their fool heads off" in the streets of any city about the idea LA, Anaheim, Carolina or Tampa or anyone else winning a Stanley Cup. It's professional sports played by mercenary players. Now, suggest that all star team of hockey players born and raised in San Jose can beat an all star team born and raised in Toronto, Montreal, Boston, Detroit, Edmonton, Chicago, etc., and those cities will all laugh their heads off - for good reason.
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My grandson plays for a U-9 team called the Florida Alliance. They are based out of Ft. Myers, and all Florida boys, with one from N. Carolina Within the past year they have won Elite level tournaments in Toronto, Buffalo, Chicago, and Detroit, defeating, amongst others, the Junior Blackhawks, LA Kings Junior Team, Little Caesars, Bauer Select,etc. They are currently the #1 ranked U-9 team in the US and Canada. I doubt that anyone in those cities are laughing.
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My grandson plays for a U-9 team called the Florida Alliance. They are based out of Ft. Myers, and all Florida boys, with one from N. Carolina Within the past year they have won Elite level tournaments in Toronto, Buffalo, Chicago, and Detroit, defeating, amongst others, the Junior Blackhawks, LA Kings Junior Team, Little Caesars, Bauer Select,etc. They are currently the #1 ranked U-9 team in the US and Canada. I doubt that anyone in those cities are laughing.
Dan
Congratulations - and I really mean that. I'm sure it's very exciting for you and your family. But number one, I said San Jose, Ca. which is a pretty good walk from Ft Myers, Fl. More to the point, did you really say U-9? And did you really say they're the #1 U-9 team in the US and Canada? The only thing more bizarre than somebody somewhere ranking North American traveling 2nd or 3rd grade hockey teams is that an 8 or 9 year old kid from Carolina would play for a team from S Florida. Why does this smell like it's more for the parents (and grandparents) than for the kids?
For now, though, why don't we at least wait awhile before we designate Ft Myers the capital of North American amateur hockey - a lot can happen in the four or five years until those little boys reach adolescence. As they say in Florida, lot of hockey left til then.
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Nobody "laughs their fool heads off" in the streets of any city about the idea LA, Anaheim, Carolina or Tampa or anyone else winning a Stanley Cup. It's professional sports played by mercenary players. Now, suggest that all star team of hockey players born and raised in San Jose can beat an all star team born and raised in Toronto, Montreal, Boston, Detroit, Edmonton, Chicago, etc., and those cities will all laugh their heads off - for good reason.
No one? OK. Well, having attended more than my fair share of meetings over the years with the NHL, NBA, etc I can tell you how wrong you are.
Yes, we all realize the players come from elsewhere, that isn't the point. The critics said those players wouldn't want to play in markets that are not hockey towns, with fans that don't understand the game, etc. For a good while there was tremendous concern that the expansion into the sunbelt was horribly wrong and could sink much of the NHL. The specific blame at the Thrashers, Mighty Ducks, Coyotes, Predators and Panthers. One of those teams is gone and another was in major financial straits, but the rest somehow survived.
I'll not hate leaving this state, except for the sports teams. Then again, I've been watching transplants here for years, it will be good to be a transplant in reverse with one of my teams.
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No one? OK. Well, having attended more than my fair share of meetings over the years with the NHL, NBA, etc I can tell you how wrong you are.
Yes, we all realize the players come from elsewhere, that isn't the point. The critics said those players wouldn't want to play in markets that are not hockey towns, with fans that don't understand the game, etc.
You attended your fair share of meetings with the NHL where people from Chicago, Montreal, Boston, etc. were "laughing their fool heads off" about the Kings, Ducks and Sharks? Don't believe it. Why so often with the silly hyperbole? Expansion is tricky business, especially into areas where there isn't a solid fan base awaiting a teams arrival. So sure there were doubters. Why not just say that?
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Nobody "laughs their fool heads off" in the streets of any city about the idea LA, Anaheim, Carolina or Tampa or anyone else winning a Stanley Cup. It's professional sports played by mercenary players. Now, suggest that all star team of hockey players born and raised in San Jose can beat an all star team born and raised in Toronto, Montreal, Boston, Detroit, Edmonton, Chicago, etc., and those cities will all laugh their heads off - for good reason.
Lenny:
As per your request, I am suggesting that an all star team born and raised in Florida (LA, Anaheim, Carolina or Tampa, OK - south of Tampa) can and have beaten an all star team from the cities you mention. Nothing more. The Alliance fields teams in most of the youth divisions, and all of them more than hold their own vs the cold weather teams.
As to the wisdom of ranking youth teams, I leave that up to others. If the parents can afford the considerable cost and time involved, good for them. My grandson has a blast, and that's most important to me. Plus, they are a lot of fun to watch.
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No one? OK. Well, having attended more than my fair share of meetings over the years with the NHL, NBA, etc I can tell you how wrong you are.
Yes, we all realize the players come from elsewhere, that isn't the point. The critics said those players wouldn't want to play in markets that are not hockey towns, with fans that don't understand the game, etc. For a good while there was tremendous concern that the expansion into the sunbelt was horribly wrong and could sink much of the NHL. The specific blame at the Thrashers, Mighty Ducks, Coyotes, Predators and Panthers. One of those teams is gone and another was in major financial straits, but the rest somehow survived.
The Panthers & Coyotes are on borrowed time. They haven't moved yet because of their respective arena deals. Staying in town is the lesser financial evil than breaking the arena lease. The jury is still out on Nashville. They barely survived 3yrs or so ago so time will tell.
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Lenny:
As per your request, I am suggesting that an all star team born and raised in Florida (LA, Anaheim, Carolina or Tampa, OK - south of Tampa) can and have beaten an all star team from the cities you mention. Nothing more. The Alliance fields teams in most of the youth divisions, and all of them more than hold their own vs the cold weather teams.
As to the wisdom of ranking youth teams, I leave that up to others. If the parents can afford the considerable cost and time involved, good for them. My grandson has a blast, and that's most important to me. Plus, they are a lot of fun to watch.
Yup, 15 years ago there was one elite club team in So. Cal. Now, there are several and they are starting to put kids into the NHL. It would have been laughed at to suggest that back in the day.
Gretzky said it well a few months ago. "I tell people this quite often," Gretzky said. "You can pick 10-year-olds and 12-year-olds [from California], put together a couple of teams, and they can go all through Canada and handle themselves extremely well. They can compete with the best of Canadian kids at 10 and 12.
"More importantly there's room for hockey here. It's something the kids want to do now. I think the proof of that is in how many kids [there are] now in junior hockey and college hockey, but in the National Hockey League. There's a lot more kids that are from this area. Chris Chelios isn't the only guy now from California."
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Chelios is from the Chicago area.
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Chelios is from the Chicago area.
But finished HS in the San Diego area and briefly played hockey at a college there. It was his "home base" when he was trying to break into the NHL.
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Ive accepted the end of the season. The Blackhawks have given up and thus so have I. What piss poor performances by the defense, Crawford isn't to blame. Onto the World Cup.
Hopefully the action from tonight saved you from that terrible, terrible fate.
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Hopefully the action from tonight saved you from that terrible, terrible fate.
Didn't watch game one, and they won. Didn't watch todays game and they won as well. Looks like I'm not watching game 6.
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Chelios is from Evergreen Park and played hockey at Mt. Carmel high school. His family moved to California but it had absolutely nothing to do with hockey. The high school he went to in San Diego didn't even have a hockey team. He played college hockey at some obscure school and got cut from the team during his freshman year.
His hockey career didn't take off until he moved to Canada and played Juniors for a few seasons, but even then he struggled at first.
Moving to California almost killed Chelios' hockey career.
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That first overtime last night was pretty incredible. Apparently the 20 minutes of game time took just over 26 minutes to complete.
I mean I love the NBA playoffs, but the end of games just gets to be soooo long. The NHL, with no commercials during overtime, really gets it right.
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That first overtime last night was pretty incredible. Apparently the 20 minutes of game time took just over 26 minutes to complete.
I mean I love the NBA playoffs, but the end of games just gets to be soooo long. The NHL, with no commercials during overtime, really gets it right.
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That was probably the most exciting scoreless period of hockey I've ever witnessed
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That first overtime last night was pretty incredible. Apparently the 20 minutes of game time took just over 26 minutes to complete.
I mean I love the NBA playoffs, but the end of games just gets to be soooo long. The NHL, with no commercials during overtime, really gets it right.
Agreed.
For me, the most exciting part of an NHL playoff team is if a team is trying to protect a 1-goal lead in the last few minutes. One team is desperate, the other is desperately trying to hold on. The fans are on edge, and the tension is palpable.
The second most exciting is overtime, especially one like last night's. Incredible sports action.
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That first overtime last night was pretty incredible. Apparently the 20 minutes of game time took just over 26 minutes to complete.
I mean I love the NBA playoffs, but the end of games just gets to be soooo long. The NHL, with no commercials during overtime, really gets it right.
It was exciting, the Kings were 1/2" away in OT from a 4-1 games victory. Tomorrow night should be a lot of fun. I'll be there with my son.
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That first overtime last night was pretty incredible. Apparently the 20 minutes of game time took just over 26 minutes to complete.
I barely remember seeing the Hawks lines 3 and 4 play at all that 1st OT -- the Saad-Kane-Shaw line seemed to be more than double-shifted.
Anyone know where to find ice time stats by period?
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Great game, Hawks deserved to win. Kings still heavy favorites for the series, they look to be too good for a total collapse - but at least there's a glimmer of hope.
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It was exciting, the Kings were 1/2" away in OT from a 4-1 games victory. Tomorrow night should be a lot of fun. I'll be there with my son.
As Charlie Conway said to Gordan Bombay "yeah, but a half inch the other way and you would've missed completely"
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As Charlie Conway said to Gordan Bombay "yeah, but a half inch the other way and you would've missed completely"
Nice quote.
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Agreed.
For me, the most exciting part of an NHL playoff team is if a team is trying to protect a 1-goal lead in the last few minutes. One team is desperate, the other is desperately trying to hold on. The fans are on edge, and the tension is palpable.
You presaged the frantic end of last night's NY - Montreal game
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It was exciting, the Kings were 1/2" away in OT from a 4-1 games victory. Tomorrow night should be a lot of fun. I'll be there with my son.
Contrary to popular belief, the tender's primary job isn't to "save" the puck, it's to make the attacker miss... doesn't matter if it's by glove, stick, skate, leg, or forcing the shot 1/2" or more off the center of the pipe. The goalie merely doesn't get credit on the stat sheet for the latter, but even when someone "chokes on the open net," the goalie affected that shot; call it hockey's Chris Otule principle -- the stat sheet doesn't truly reflect the influence of the player on the game.
In other words, the Kings weren't a half-inch from victory, they were a half-inch from another spectacular save.
You can only score a goal in hockey if the tender lets you score a goal. If we weren't so benevolent, every game would end in a 0-0 tie... but at the expense of our competitive nature, we do realize our secondary job is to keep the game interesting.
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Contrary to popular belief, the tender's primary job isn't to "save" the puck, it's to make the attacker miss... doesn't matter if it's by glove, stick, skate, leg, or forcing the shot 1/2" or more off the center of the pipe. The goalie merely doesn't get credit on the stat sheet for the latter, but even when someone "chokes on the open net," the goalie affected that shot; call it hockey's Chris Otule principle -- the stat sheet doesn't truly reflect the influence of the player on the game.
In other words, the Kings weren't a half-inch from victory, they were a half-inch from another spectacular save.
You can only score a goal in hockey if the tender lets you score a goal. If we weren't so benevolent, every game would end in a 0-0 tie... but at the expense of our competitive nature, we do realize our secondary job is to keep the game interesting.
In general I agree with you about goalkeeping, as my son is a keeper. However, I don't agree with you on post hits for hockey keepers, especially with the replays showing the puck is past the guy before he even realizes it. Posts are a keepers best friend.
Should be a good game tonight.
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It's pretty F'ed up that when you hit the post it doesn't even count as a shot on goal
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Another great game tonight. Heard some King's fans chanting their oh so clever "Crawford" after their first goal. Nice to see Patrick Kane shut the morons up.
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I actually can't watch another playoff game for the rest of the year. They won again and I didn't watch. Sacrafices must be made though.
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I actually can't watch another playoff game for the rest of the year. They won again and I didn't watch. Sacrafices must be made though.
Do your job, chitown.
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OK...here we go...Lloyd Jr. and I have an agreement where I take him to one Hawks playoff game every year (in return...he continues to do nothing). As we will be out of town for what would be games 2 and 5 of the Stanley Cup finals should they occur for the Hawks, he decided to stop rolling the dice and that a conf final game 7 more exciting/important than game 1 of the potential Stanley Cup finals, and too much uncertainty that there would even be a Stanley Cup game 7.
So we go tonight.
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My son just called to say that a friend gave him a ticket to tonight's game.
I'm neither a Hawks fan nor a Hawks hater, but I know my son will have a better time if they win. So, I'm rootin' for 'em!
It's been a very entertaining series, and I hope for one more great game tonight.
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Let's go Gabby!!!
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Even before OT begins, this game killed me. I'm dead.
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Knew we needed one more to win. Have to do it in OT. Arrrrggghhhh!!
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Great series. Wish my Ducks were still in it, but had a feeling whomever won that series would go to the Cup. My son is thrilled. Guess I know where I'll be a few nights this week...at Staples.
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Another great game tonight. Heard some King's fans chanting their oh so clever "Crawford" after their first goal. Nice to see Patrick Kane shut the morons up.
Looks like the Kings fans will have a chance to do the clever "Lundqvist"
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What a phenomenal series of hockey. Just fantastic all around. Hawks came out on the wrong end, it's tough to spot a team like the Kings 2 games and expect to come back and win. Looking forward to more playoff matchups with these guys for years to come.
The Rangers are going to have their hands full.
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What a phenomenal series of hockey. Just fantastic all around. Hawks came out on the wrong end, it's tough to spot a team like the Kings 2 games and expect to come back and win. Looking forward to more playoff matchups with these guys for years to come.
The Rangers are going to have their hands full.
Kings in 6. Eastern Conference smaller, slower all year long. The West was just better. Anything can happen, but I'll say Kings in 6.
Much to Lenny's chagrin, the #1, #2 and #5 teams in the season ending power rankings were left standing going into tonight.
#1 vs #5 for the Cup, but the top two teams finished it off tonight.
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That ruined my entire summer. Not even an exaggeration, time to sleep for about 15 hours.
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That's Hawkey, baby.
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Much to Lenny's chagrin, the #1, #2 and #5 teams in the season ending power rankings were left standing going into tonight.
9/10 seed versus a 12 seed for the Cup. And they both had to play multiple series giving up home ice advantage to do it. Next time a 9 or 10 seed plays a 12 for the NCAA championship? Never. Maybe there are bigger crapshoots in sports (I'm not prone to constant, obnoxious hyperbole like you) but the NCAA tournament isn't one of them.
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#1 vs #5 for the Cup, but the top two teams finished it off tonight.
Nothing in hockey is ever certain, but the Stanley Cup might as well have been given out at the United Center last night.
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Winning goal -- long shot, deflected in slot by teammate, ricochets into net off defenseman's shoulder -- shows why hockey is so unpredictable.
One might even call it a crapshoot!
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Winning goal -- long shot, deflected in slot by teammate, ricochets into net off defenseman's shoulder -- shows why hockey is so unpredictable.
One might even call it a crapshoot!
Bingo
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9/10 seed versus a 12 seed for the Cup. And they both had to play multiple series giving up home ice advantage to do it. Next time a 9 or 10 seed plays a 12 for the NCAA championship? Never. Maybe there are bigger crapshoots in sports (I'm not prone to constant, obnoxious hyperbole like you) but the NCAA tournament isn't one of them.
Your math is still way off. Considering there are only two of each seed in the NHL, but four of each seed in the NCAA tournament...and of course you keep forgetting the one and done. The Kings wouldn't even have gotten to round two in the NCAA tournament format, but because it is a best of 7, they will likely hoist the Cup in about two weeks. The seeds in the NHL are based on records, not by a committee deciding who the best teams are.
You are prone to as much hyperbole as anyone.
I feel bad for the Blackhawk fans that lost, but honestly I got a little chuckle last night knowing you would be bummed.
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Winning goal -- long shot, deflected in slot by teammate, ricochets into net off defenseman's shoulder -- shows why hockey is so unpredictable.
One might even call it a crapshoot!
Oh, definitely....hockey has a lot of strange bounces, like basketball. It's a great sport. This is why when fans say they are the best and have no deficiencies they should be careful, the puck can bounce funny. Thing is, however, it's one thing for the puck to bounce funny in one game, but over 7 games things tend to even out a bit more and usually the better team wins. Not a one and done scenario.
This year, not so unpredictable. #1 team in the power ratings playing for the Cup starting Wednesday. Should be fun, I'll definitely enjoy it. Game 5 is my anniversary and my wife is a big Kings fan. Looking forward to a nice evening with her at the game.
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Oh, definitely....hockey has a lot of strange bounces, like basketball. It's a great sport. This is why when fans say they are the best and have no deficiencies they should be careful, the puck can bounce funny. Thing is, however, it's one thing for the puck to bounce funny in one game, but over 7 games things tend to even out a bit more and usually the better team wins. Not a one and done scenario.
This year, not so unpredictable. #1 team in the power ratings playing for the Cup starting Wednesday. Should be fun, I'll definitely enjoy it. Game 5 is my anniversary and my wife is a big Kings fan. Looking forward to a nice evening with her at the game.
The team you call #1 was the UNDERDOG in Vegas in all 3 series in which they played, a 10-1 longshot to win the Cup before it started. You should have won millions parlaying them over the Sharks, Ducks and Hawks. Vegas was just giving it away. Reminds me of UW being ranked #2 by Pomeroy no matter how many times they lost.
Oddest thing is your wife and son rooting against the team you love and the one that used to pay your bills.
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That outcome will sting for a while, but it was a tremendous series.
Something tells me that won't be the last 7-game playoff series between the Kings and Hawks in the next several years.
Enjoy those ugly Conference Champion hats, King fans.
I hope the Cup Champion hats are even uglier.
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Oh, definitely....hockey has a lot of strange bounces, like basketball. It's a great sport. This is why when fans say they are the best and have no deficiencies they should be careful, the puck can bounce funny. Thing is, however, it's one thing for the puck to bounce funny in one game, but over 7 games things tend to even out a bit more and usually the better team wins. Not a one and done scenario.
This year, not so unpredictable. #1 team in the power ratings playing for the Cup starting Wednesday. Should be fun, I'll definitely enjoy it. Game 5 is my anniversary and my wife is a big Kings fan. Looking forward to a nice evening with her at the game.
Which Power Ratings are you referring to? I scoured the interwebs and just about every list I found that came out prior to the playoffs or near the end of the season had the Bs up on top and Kings no higher than 3rd.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=708207
http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/powerRankings
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/powerrankings
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2028249-nhl-power-rankings-br-experts-week-26-poll
http://nypost.com/2014/03/26/nhl-power-rankings-bruins-look-like-team-to-beat/
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LOL
http://deadspin.com/blackhawks-twitter-account-tells-mexican-president-to-f-1584615115
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Which Power Ratings are you referring to? I scoured the interwebs and just about every list I found that came out prior to the playoffs or near the end of the season had the Bs up on top and Kings no higher than 3rd.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=708207
http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/powerRankings
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/powerrankings
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2028249-nhl-power-rankings-br-experts-week-26-poll
http://nypost.com/2014/03/26/nhl-power-rankings-bruins-look-like-team-to-beat/
Score Adjusted Fenwick....think of it as the Bill James version of hockey stats. It is an advanced stat that the nerds came up with a few years ago and the nerds swear by it...no wonder. The top team in Score Adjusted Fenwick in the last six years has won or gone to the Stanley Cup 5 times. I'd call that a pretty damn good indicator. The only time it failed was last year, when it predicted the Kings would win it all....by the way, the Blackhawks were #2 last year in Fenwick and they did win it all. This year, the Kings finished #1 again with a 56.17 and the Blackhawks second with a 55.82, and here the Kings are in the Cup final.
Team Score-Adjusted Fenwick Result
2007-08 Red Wings 58.8% Stanley Cup
2008-09 Red Wings 56.6% Stanley Cup Finals
2009-10 Blackhawks 58.8% Stanley Cup
2011-12 Kings 57.5% Stanley Cup
2013-14 Kings 56.17% Stanley Cup Finals (maybe winner)
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Oh, definitely....hockey has a lot of strange bounces, like basketball.
Hmmm ... I'm trying to remember the last time a team reached the NBA Finals or NCAA title game when the winning basket was scored on a 50-foot shot that deflected off a defensive player's shoulder and into the hoop.
Just having fun with ya, Chicos. Plenty of room in sports for all kinds of crapshoots!
My kids are big Blackhawks fans, so they would call last night's shoot especially crappy, but that's life in the NHL.
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Hmmm ... I'm trying to remember the last time a team reached the NBA Finals or NCAA title game when the winning basket was scored on a 50-foot shot that deflected off a defensive player's shoulder and into the hoop.
Just having fun with ya, Chicos. Plenty of room in sports for all kinds of crapshoots!
My kids are big Blackhawks fans, so they would call last night's shoot especially crappy, but that's life in the NHL.
The thing is, there were 6 previous games played in this series. Let's not forget in game 5, the Kings hit the post in OT. Yes, the game can be changed by a couple of inches.
In a NBA game, each and every shot if it is off by an inch, can be a miss. Can't just focus on the winning shot, there were 60+ other minutes played and 6 other games played. All of sports is a crapshoot to some extent, but whenever you have a 7 game series it is less of a crapshoot than a one and done scenario where one off night, you're toast.
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The thing is, there were 6 previous games played in this series. Let's not forget in game 5, the Kings hit the post in OT. Yes, the game can be changed by a couple of inches.
In a NBA game, each and every shot if it is off by an inch, can be a miss. Can't just focus on the winning shot, there were 60+ other minutes played and 6 other games played. All of sports is a crapshoot to some extent, but whenever you have a 7 game series it is less of a crapshoot than a one and done scenario where one off night, you're toast.
You don't understand math. If a game is 50/50, a coin flip, flipping that coin 7, or 9 or 11 or any number of times doesn't change the odds at all. Best of 7000 yields the exact same odds as one flip. In games where their is a prohibitive favorite a longer series does help the better team. But when a team that finishes 25th of 30 in the NHL but is supposedly better than your 2nd place Ducks by 3 places the whole league must be a crapshoot/coin flip.
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Score Adjusted Fenwick....think of it as the Bill James version of hockey stats. It is an advanced stat that the nerds came up with a few years ago and the nerds swear by it...no wonder. The top team in Score Adjusted Fenwick in the last six years has won or gone to the Stanley Cup 5 times. I'd call that a pretty damn good indicator. The only time it failed was last year, when it predicted the Kings would win it all....by the way, the Blackhawks were #2 last year in Fenwick and they did win it all. This year, the Kings finished #1 again with a 56.17 and the Blackhawks second with a 55.82, and here the Kings are in the Cup final.
Team Score-Adjusted Fenwick Result
2007-08 Red Wings 58.8% Stanley Cup
2008-09 Red Wings 56.6% Stanley Cup Finals
2009-10 Blackhawks 58.8% Stanley Cup
2011-12 Kings 57.5% Stanley Cup
2013-14 Kings 56.17% Stanley Cup Finals (maybe winner)
Well, there you go. Thanks. What were the Pens ranked in 08-09 when they beat the Wings?
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The thing is, there were 6 previous games played in this series. Let's not forget in game 5, the Kings hit the post in OT. Yes, the game can be changed by a couple of inches.
In a NBA game, each and every shot if it is off by an inch, can be a miss. Can't just focus on the winning shot, there were 60+ other minutes played and 6 other games played. All of sports is a crapshoot to some extent, but whenever you have a 7 game series it is less of a crapshoot than a one and done scenario where one off night, you're toast.
I'm not talking about the whole game-of-inches thing. Every game is a game of inches. An NFL team makes a huge first down by an inch. A hockey player hits the crossbar with a shot. An NBA player has a shot bounce off the rim 3 times before going in. A line drive barely hits the outside of the chalk, giving the batter a walk-off double. We all get that.
I'm talking about a conference-finals-winning play that deflects off one player's stick, deflects off another player's shoulder and somehow eludes the huge, padded goalie to find the net.
And the crazy thing is, that happens in hockey 2, 5, 10 times -- or more -- in a 7-game series.
There is no game with a bigger luck factor (or bad-luck factor for the Blackhawks last night) than hockey.
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The team you call #1 was the UNDERDOG in Vegas in all 3 series in which they played, a 10-1 longshot to win the Cup before it started. You should have won millions parlaying them over the Sharks, Ducks and Hawks. Vegas was just giving it away. Reminds me of UW being ranked #2 by Pomeroy no matter how many times they lost.
Oddest thing is your wife and son rooting against the team you love and the one that used to pay your bills.
OH no, Vegas? LOL. For the millionth time, the odds are to move a betting line....PERIOD.
I grew up a Kings fan, it's all we had out here for hockey. Same for my wife. For my son, when I handled the LA Kings relationship for my company I got him on the bench a few times, locker room, zamboni, skate arounds with the team, etc. He was too young when I worked for the Ducks, so that is where his memories are. So nothing odd about it at all.
What else outrages you or makes you feel odd without knowing one scintilla of the background story? I'm happy to share.
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I'm not talking about the whole game-of-inches thing. Every game is a game of inches. An NFL team makes a huge first down by an inch. A hockey player hits the crossbar with a shot. An NBA player has a shot bounce off the rim 3 times before going in. A line drive barely hits the outside of the chalk, giving the batter a walk-off double. We all get that.
I'm talking about a conference-finals-winning play that deflects off one player's stick, deflects off another player's shoulder and somehow eludes the huge, padded goalie to find the net.
And the crazy thing is, that happens in hockey 2, 5, 10 times -- or more -- in a 7-game series.
There is no game with a bigger luck factor (or bad-luck factor for the Blackhawks last night) than hockey.
I would agree, that luck is a big part of it, but in a 7 game series that tends to even out. There's a reason the #1 team in that rating system seems to win the Cup or play for it each year. It's not a metric measuring luck, it's a metric measuring puck possession. shot differential and several other factors.
I get your point on the winning goal, but it's just one play of hundreds each game. Crawford doesn't give up a rebound, the tying goal isn't scored. A chip in the ice doesn't make a shot take an odd angle, maybe Quick stops it. Lots of that stuff happens, as you point out. But someone had to take that shot, someone had to tempt the luck and put it in play. You don't shoot that 50 footer, the luck doesn't happen. As such, you make some of your luck.
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Lenny, I get the math just fine.
Kings, lost their first game. In the NCAA format, they would be done. One loss...done. Instead, they got 3 do overs, you get none in the NCAA.
Biggest crapshoot in all of sports, period. One bad game, you're done. In the NHL, NBA, MLB, you can have multiple bad games, mulitple do overs. The math is not hard.
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OH no, Vegas? LOL. For the millionth time, the odds are to move a betting line....PERIOD.
Oh yes, Vegas. The place where guys like you arrive in $60,000 cars and go home on $800,000 buses. Not a great deal of action on hockey but I sincerely doubt if any of the big players are so unsophisticated that they're not familiar with your adjusted Fenwick ratings that you think are so foolproof. If they were foolproof Vegas would be busted by now, but I haven't heard of any casinos closing lately. You must have busted a few yourself. Which ones?
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You don't understand math. If a game is 50/50, a coin flip, flipping that coin 7, or 9 or 11 or any number of times doesn't change the odds at all. Best of 7000 yields the exact same odds as one flip. In games where their is a prohibitive favorite a longer series does help the better team. But when a team that finishes 25th of 30 in the NHL but is supposedly better than your 2nd place Ducks by 3 places the whole league must be a crapshoot/coin flip.
You just said yourself that the longer series helps a superior team's odds of advancing to the next round. Flipping that around, wouldn't the NCAA one-and-done format be the worst odds for the best teams to advance each round, thus making it more of a crapshoot?
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You just said yourself that the longer series helps a superior team's odds of advancing to the next round. Flipping that around, wouldn't the NCAA one-and-done format be the worst odds for the best teams to advance each round, thus making it more of a crapshoot?
Don't confuse him or call out his own admissions of sinking himself....it's more subtle when he thinks he has it right and nearly everyone knows he doesn't
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Oh yes, Vegas. The place where guys like you arrive in $60,000 cars and go home on $800,000 buses. Not a great deal of action on hockey but I sincerely doubt if any of the big players are so unsophisticated that they're not familiar with your adjusted Fenwick ratings that you think are so foolproof. If they were foolproof Vegas would be busted by now, but I haven't heard of any casinos closing lately. You must have busted a few yourself. Which ones?
I've given you the last 6 years, and 5 times the team with the best Fenwick has gone at the very least to the Stanley Cup Finals. The data is the data. You didn't even know about Fenwick until a week ago, I suspect there are many others out there don't either. I'm glad I could help educate you a bit.
There are outliers in anything, that's the nature of sports and statistics. Nevertheless, to date, SAF has been a fantastic predictor of success in the playoffs the last 6 years.
Some people swear by the Team Corsi ratings...LA was ranked 3rd this year in Corsi 5 on 5.
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You just said yourself that the longer series helps a superior team's odds of advancing to the next round. Flipping that around, wouldn't the NCAA one-and-done format be the worst odds for the best teams to advance each round, thus making it more of a crapshoot?
The longer the odds the more favorites are helped by a series of games. When Kentucky plays Boston U. the Terriers have a much better chance to win one game than they do to win 4 of 7. And when you play Powerball you have a much better chance to win that day than you do winning 4 of 7 days. So, is the NCAA tournament more random as a one and done than IT would be as a best of 7? Undoubtedly. But to determine whether it is more random the other sport's playoffs (best of 7, one game, whatever) it is only ONE of several factors to consider.
The two biggest factors (there are others I won't bore you with) that make the NHL playoffs much more random than college basketball are a) the parity between the teams and b) the amount that pure luck or chance affects outcomes. Consider:16 of 30 (54%) of NHL teams make the playoffs, 68 of 366 (19.6%) make the NCAAs. In the NHL, it's relatively common for a team that earned a #1 over an 82 game schedule to lose in their opening series. In the NCAAs a team that earned a #1 seed over a 35 game season has never lost. This year's Final Four, in what was probably the most wide open tournament ever, consisted of a 1,2,8 and 9, a grand total of 20. This year's NHL last 4 standing were a 7,9,10 and 12, totaling 38. Expected total if pulled randomly from a hat? 34 for both. So maybe the biggest crapshoot in NCAA history was roughly half as big a random event as this year's Stanley Cup. Not surprising that the greater parity produces more random (crapshoot) results, since the closer the games are to coin flips the less meaningful a one and done feature affects randomness (the odds of winning 4 of 7 coin flips are exactly the same as winning one flip - 50%).
On to luck. For Chico, the 35 game regular season in college basketball is the determinate of who is the best team. In hockey, the 82 game regular season means nothing, and the real best teams are determined by something called the Adjusted Fenwick something or another. It rates teams on percentage of time they possess the puck (among other things) and attempts to rank them after the "luck factor" is subtracted. It has been a more accurate predictor than seeding for NHL playoff series, but it's sample size is very small (only been around since 2008). But the most interesting thing about Fenwick isn't that its been good at picking playoff winners over a short period - it's Fenwick's conclusion that luck plays an ENORMOUS role in hockey and that who wins and loses has very little to do with who's better and very much to do with who's luckier. If they're as smart as Chico says, 9 teams who didn't make the playoffs (including Florida, who finished 29th with 66 points) were better than Colorado, who finished 3rd with 112 points. But they were unluckier. And New Jersey and Vancouver, who finished well out of the playoff picture, were better than #2 Anaheim, just unluckier. Imagine Jeff Sagarin asserting, for example, that Penn State was better than Wisconsin last year, just unluckier. We'd all have a good laugh. But this is Chico"s guy, and if he's right, every hockey game and series is infinitely more of a crapshoot than any basketball tournament could ever be.
So, in conclusion: the one and done format DOES make the NCAAs more of a crapshoot than it would be if teams played best of 7 series, but that is more than mitigated by, among other things, the parity and luck factors present in the NHL. Thanks to Chico's guru Mr Fenwick for helping make the case beyond a doubt.
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Good try....A for length, C for logic, but I'll throw a B in there for attitude.
Where did I say the regular season for hockey doesn't matter? I didn't. What I said was, just because you have the best record which is how they seed in the NHL, does not mean you are the best team. You can pile up wins against a bad division, etc. Schedules aren't balanced, etc. Afterall in this very diatribe of yours you are arguing that the better team "UNDOUBTEDLY" will have a better chance of winning in a longer series, and YOU have said the best teams are by records. Yet, the President's Cup winner has won the Cup how many times in the last 10 years? Twice.
Why? Well, now you're saying it is because it is a crapshoot. LOL. When the more logical answer is that the President's Cup winner isn't the best team, especially when in 7 game series they "UNDOUBTEDLY" have ample opportunities to prove this.
Your failure in logic on this is assigning best team with best record, when you know full well that the schedules aren't balanced, injuries happen during the season, etc, etc. This is why a COMMITTEE that seeds teams knowing this information typically does a better job than just taking the best record, because they know who you played, know about key injuries, etc. There is a reason why more advanced rating systems using deep analytics rate teams differently than just what their record is. It is also why they prove to be much more accurate.
Finally, I'd recommend a statistical communique to Professor Jay Bergen, mathematician at DePaul. Why don't you let him educate you a bit on the crapshoot of winning the NCAA tournament vs winning the Stanley Cup. Would you like an introduction?
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Chicos it's the President's Trophy not cup
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Good try....A for length, C for logic, but I'll throw a B in there for attitude.
Where did I say the regular season for hockey doesn't matter? I didn't. What I said was, just because you have the best record which is how they seed in the NHL, does not mean you are the best team. You can pile up wins against a bad division, etc. Schedules aren't balanced, etc. Afterall in this very diatribe of yours you are arguing that the better team "UNDOUBTEDLY" will have a better chance of winning in a longer series, and YOU have said the best teams are by records. Yet, the President's Cup winner has won the Cup how many times in the last 10 years? Twice.
Why? Well, now you're saying it is because it is a crapshoot. LOL. When the more logical answer is that the President's Cup winner isn't the best team, especially when in 7 game series they "UNDOUBTEDLY" have ample opportunities to prove this.
Your failure in logic on this is assigning best team with best record, when you know full well that the schedules aren't balanced, injuries happen during the season, etc, etc. This is why a COMMITTEE that seeds teams knowing this information typically does a better job than just taking the best record, because they know who you played, know about key injuries, etc. There is a reason why more advanced rating systems using deep analytics rate teams differently than just what their record is. It is also why they prove to be much more accurate.
Finally, I'd recommend a statistical communique to Professor Jay Bergen, mathematician at DePaul. Why don't you let him educate you a bit on the crapshoot of winning the NCAA tournament vs winning the Stanley Cup. Would you like an introduction?
I give you an A for Avoidance - the rating system you love concludes that luck plays a vastly greater role in who wins a hockey game than a basketball game. Vastly. The more games are determined by luck, the more random. The more random, the bigger crapshoot.
I also give you an A in your favorite subject - silly, meaningless name dropping.
F in math, Incomplete, trending F in logic.
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Chicos it's the President's Trophy not cup
Thank you...you get the idea. The team with the best record doesn't mean they are the best team in a world of uneven schedules, injuries, etc. Yet, this is the logic my pal uses to justify the crapshoot because he associates the seeding, which is based on record, to make his argument. Flawed from the start.
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Thank you...you get the idea. The team with the best record doesn't mean they are the best team in a world of uneven schedules, injuries, etc. Yet, this is the logic my pal uses to justify the crapshoot because he associates the seeding, which is based on record, to make his argument. Flawed from the start.
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Let's sum up:
1. If we use traditional tools to judge randomness (regular season, seedings, etc.), you lose.
2. If we use "new metrics" like Fenwick to actually analyze, we find the reason that you lose - hockey is such a random, luck based game that sometimes the better teams lose much more regularly than the worst teams do - to the point where the team with the 29th best record over an 82 game schedule can be better than the team with the 3rd best record over that same period. And there are several other anomalies nearly as outrageous. When you try to explain these literally upside down conclusions of Fenwick by citing injuries and unbalanced schedules it's a pathetic reach of a drowning man.
It's true that the one and done feature adds some randomness to the NCAAs and the best of 7 format takes a little (very little) volatility from the Stanley Cup. I've not denied that. But you're so hung up by that one tree you missed the whole forest.
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Isn't the NFL also one-and-done?
Doesn't college basketball also have unbalanced schedules?
Isn't this argument as silly as it is timeless?
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Let's sum up:
1. If we use traditional tools to judge randomness (regular season, seedings, etc.), you lose.
2. If we use "new metrics" like Fenwick to actually analyze, we find the reason that you lose - hockey is such a random, luck based game that sometimes the better teams lose much more regularly than the worst teams do - to the point where the team with the 29th best record over an 82 game schedule can be better than the team with the 3rd best record over that same period. And there are several other anomalies nearly as outrageous. When you try to explain these literally upside down conclusions of Fenwick by citing injuries and unbalanced schedules it's a pathetic reach of a drowning man.
It's true that the one and done feature adds some randomness to the NCAAs and the best of 7 format takes a little (very little) volatility from the Stanley Cup. I've not denied that. But you're so hung up by that one tree you missed the whole forest.
Just so we set the record straight, your most recent use of examples of seeding to prove your point were not very right. Those 8 and 9 seeds in the final 4 this last year were 29-32 seeds and 33-36 seeds. You used the conference independent "seed" for the NHL but then the region specific seed of the NCAA teams.
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Just so we set the record straight, your most recent use of examples of seeding to prove your point were not very right. Those 8 and 9 seeds in the final 4 this last year were 29-32 seeds and 33-36 seeds. You used the conference independent "seed" for the NHL but then the region specific seed of the NCAA teams.
16 teams in the NHL playoffs, 64 teams (after the play in games) in the NCAAs. If you want to use their total seeds rather than dividing by 4 (and using their regional seeds, fine, but it doesn't change anything statistically. Florida was 1, UW 6, UK 29 and UCONN 35. Expectations for the sum of the FF seeds (if random) would then be 130 (30+31+34+35) versus the actual much lower total of 71 (1+6+29+35). For the NHL the opposite was true. The random expectation (7+8+9+10) of 34 was exceeded by the actual number (7+9+10+12) of 38. So,no contest which was more random any way you slice it.
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Lenny, I'll take a picture for you at Saturday's game with a Wish You Were Here sign.
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Lenny, I'll take a picture for you at Saturday's game with a Wish You Were Here sign.
My favorite Pink Floyd song if I had to choose. However, I'd be comfortably numb after the decision
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Lenny, I'll take a picture for you at Saturday's game with a Wish You Were Here sign.
Thanks, but I couldn't care less about going to a Kings/Rangers game. The next time Hoop comes over for beers, though, give me a holler - that's something I'd pay to see.
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Isn't the NFL also one-and-done?
Doesn't college basketball also have unbalanced schedules?
Isn't this argument as silly as it is timeless?
Yes, but the NFL plays playoff games in home stadiums, the NCAA does not.
Yes, the NFL has unbalanced schedules, but not nearly as much as other leagues because there are so few games.
You'll find that in all these discussions, the NFL is rarely used because, as you point out it is one and done and you play a bad game and you are gone. Any one and done scenario is ripe for that surprise.
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16 teams in the NHL playoffs, 64 teams (after the play in games) in the NCAAs. If you want to use their total seeds rather than dividing by 4 (and using their regional seeds, fine, but it doesn't change anything statistically. Florida was 1, UW 6, UK 29 and UCONN 35. Expectations for the sum of the FF seeds (if random) would then be 130 (30+31+34+35) versus the actual much lower total of 71 (1+6+29+35). For the NHL the opposite was true. The random expectation (7+8+9+10) of 34 was exceeded by the actual number (7+9+10+12) of 38. So,no contest which was more random any way you slice it.
Have you talked to the good PhD in mathematics at DePaul yet? I think you would learn something and can change your grading system on logic, etc.
Would you like an introduction online?
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Let's sum up:
1. If we use traditional tools to judge randomness (regular season, seedings, etc.), you lose.
2. If we use "new metrics" like Fenwick to actually analyze, we find the reason that you lose - hockey is such a random, luck based game that sometimes the better teams lose much more regularly than the worst teams do - to the point where the team with the 29th best record over an 82 game schedule can be better than the team with the 3rd best record over that same period. And there are several other anomalies nearly as outrageous. When you try to explain these literally upside down conclusions of Fenwick by citing injuries and unbalanced schedules it's a pathetic reach of a drowning man.
It's true that the one and done feature adds some randomness to the NCAAs and the best of 7 format takes a little (very little) volatility from the Stanley Cup. I've not denied that. But you're so hung up by that one tree you missed the whole forest.
No Lenny, because your logic is already flawed in your randomness layout. Look again what you opined...think about it for a few minutes. If it doesn't come to you, walk away, come back in an hour and look again.
I meant it about the introduction, he's done some great stuff on sports and game theory. You might be quite enthralled about what he has to say on your theory.
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Have you talked to the good PhD in mathematics at DePaul yet? I think you would learn something and can change your grading system on logic, etc.
Would you like an introduction online?
I present facts that you can't refute (saying someone is wrong because you say so is not a refutation) and you name drop. Par for the course.
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Have you talked to the good PhD in mathematics at DePaul yet? I think you would learn something and can change your grading system on logic, etc.
Would you like an introduction online?
Can you give the PhD in mathematics at DePaul Hoopaloop's login credentials so he can just post his findings here for all to read? Why have him talk to Lenny alone when he can enlighten us all?
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Can you give the PhD in mathematics at DePaul Hoopaloop's login credentials so he can just post his findings here for all to read? Why have him talk to Lenny alone when he can enlighten us all?
Exactly, eagle. I've offered facts to back my assertions. Chico namedrops. He doesn't refute my numbers on the seeds or his very own Fenwick metrics. He can't explain why he thinks I'm illogical, he just FEELS that way. That doesn't strike me as very logical or scientific.
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Thanks, but I couldn't care less about going to a Kings/Rangers game. The next time Hoop comes over for beers, though, give me a holler - that's something I'd pay to see.
Weird, the other day you seemed to care so much about the Kings to comment on my wife and kids following them. :P
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I present facts that you can't refute (saying someone is wrong because you say so is not a refutation) and you name drop. Par for the course.
No, you have not provided facts. You, again, are sourcing wrong in your logic from the very start and that flows through your argument. Again, take a step back, try one more time. Your error is your valuation on the seeding for a hint.
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Can you give the PhD in mathematics at DePaul Hoopaloop's login credentials so he can just post his findings here for all to read? Why have him talk to Lenny alone when he can enlighten us all?
You would have to ask the moderators here for that. Don't forget Brad Forester's, BMA, Equalizer, etc, etc that I've been accused of being...maybe those logins also.
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No, you have not provided facts. You, again, are sourcing wrong in your logic from the very start and that flows through your argument. Again, take a step back, try one more time. Your error is your valuation on the seeding for a hint.
When trying to come to a logical conclusion one must consider all the variables. Your error is that you have considered only one. You do that often. This leads to one dimensional thinking and conclusions that are the antithesis of logic, the silly meandering of the vainglorious. Breathe, think, rethink, try again. Don't just say something off the top of your head and hold to it in the face of proof to the contrary. Open your mind to change. It will help you live in the present and not yearn for a past that never really was. It will make you happier. I can put you in touch with all sorts of people with all sorts of degrees from all sorts of places who can help you. Would you like me to send you a list?
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Well, there you go. Thanks. What were the Pens ranked in 08-09 when they beat the Wings?
I've been trying to find this, can't. I went to game 3 of that series in Pittsburgh as I was at a wedding out in Moon Township and figured while I was there, might as well attend one of the Cup games. Got my mom to go, her first hockey game ever and it's a Stanley Cup game. Lot of fun, at the old Igloo. Penguins won that night. The atmosphere outside the building was very cool.
http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/3/13/4099158/kangzzz
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Uh oh, maybe the bettors will start to get it now, since some of us were ahead of this curve years ago, looks like it is getting some pub in the last 24 hours.
Get with technology Lenny.
Adjusted Score Fenwick to pick NHL winners
http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2014-06-05/stanley-cup-final-rangers-kings-score-adjusted-fenwick-2014-playoffs
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You would have to ask the moderators here for that. Don't forget Brad Forester's, BMA, Equalizer, etc, etc that I've been accused of being...maybe those logins also.
I was more thinking along the lines of the next time you have a beer summit make sure he writes his username and password on his coaster before he leaves
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GABBY!
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GABBY!
Fun game to be at tonight. I've been to 5 different Stanley Cup series in the last 11 years, only seen the home team lose one time in all the games I've been to (I think 9 games). Good times, my son was pumped.
Then I just get home, and watch Trout take Sale deep for a grand slam in the 8th. All good.
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Fun game to be at tonight. I've been to 5 different Stanley Cup series in the last 11 years, only seen the home team lose one time in all the games I've been to (I think 9 games). Good times, my son was pumped.
Then I just get home, and watch Trout take Sale deep for a grand slam in the 8th. All good.
My team is the Wild, but loved both Gabby and Willie Mitchell while they were here. Love seeing old man Mitchell back at it. Hopefully we can make a better run next season. I don't feel like we're too far away from having a legit chance, but then again our SAF wasn't good this year so we must improve quite a bit. VANEK!
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When trying to come to a logical conclusion one must consider all the variables. Your error is that you have considered only one. You do that often. This leads to one dimensional thinking and conclusions that are the antithesis of logic, the silly meandering of the vainglorious. Breathe, think, rethink, try again. Don't just say something off the top of your head and hold to it in the face of proof to the contrary. Open your mind to change. It will help you live in the present and not yearn for a past that never really was. It will make you happier. I can put you in touch with all sorts of people with all sorts of degrees from all sorts of places who can help you. Would you like me to send you a list?
Thanks Lenny....hey, did you read that article about Fenwick yesterday and picking NHL winners. LOL.
Maybe the funniest thing I've read in the last month or so is how the NHL is the "biggest crap shoot of them all" and yet you also, finally, admitted that of course the better team will likely prevail in a multigame playoff series.
It's wonderful when you admit your defeat, even if it came over the course of several years and in different posts, but the truth has set you free...finally. I've taken it upon myself to reach out to the dear prof at DePaul on your behalf. I knew you would be too proud.
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Maybe the funniest thing I've read in the last month or so is how the NHL is the "biggest crap shoot of them all" and yet you also, finally, admitted that of course the better team will likely prevail in a multigame playoff series.
Total misrepresentation of what I've said. I don't know if that's due to outright dishonesty or your inability to comprehend the written word. Either way, not surprising for one who wants his "science" to be a slogan that can fit on a tee shirt.
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Fenwick Adjusted Score
Champion
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The very deserving fans of SoCal get another one
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Fenwick Adjusted Score
Champion
It's Score-Adjusted Fenwick.
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The very deserving fans of SoCal get another one
Meatheads, I'm sure
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It's Score-Adjusted Fenwick.
Quite aware, I've been using it properly for months, but last night didn't. Oh well.
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Meatheads, I'm sure
Yep
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Yep
They're having a big parade in a few days, the meatheads. 3 Cups in this area in the last 6 or 7 years. Maybe just keep it down here for now. That is until the more "deserving" fans get it...like the ones in Chicago that couldn't sell out a game for decades.
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They're having a big parade in a few days, the meatheads. 3 Cups in this area in the last 6 or 7 years. Maybe just keep it down here for now. That is until the more "deserving" fans get it...like the ones in Chicago that couldn't sell out a game for decades.
You seriously want to go there? Pretty pathetic attempt at a troll otherwise...
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You seriously want to go there? Pretty pathetic attempt at a troll otherwise...
One troll deserves another. Sorry, I find most Chicago fans of Chicago teams to fit the meathead category more than most other cities, so the irony isn't lost on me. They also claim to be a fantastic sports town, when quite frankly they are like many other sports towns. When they win, they show up, when they lose, they don't.
Yes, I'm well aware of old man Wirtz with the Blackhawks and the Cubs phenomenon. Point is, Chicago is like many other towns. Win and they arrive, lose and other stuff to do.
Maybe you should ask MUSoxfan about his trolling attempts.
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One troll deserves another. Sorry, I find most Chicago fans of Chicago teams to fit the meathead category more than most other cities, so the irony isn't lost on me. They also claim to be a fantastic sports town, when quite frankly they are like many other sports towns. When they win, they show up, when they lose, they don't.
Yes, I'm well aware of old man Wirtz with the Blackhawks and the Cubs phenomenon. Point is, Chicago is like many other towns. Win and they arrive, lose and other stuff to do.
Maybe you should ask MUSoxfan about his trolling attempts.
Ok, other than the Hawks and Cubs, what leg do you have to stand on? The Bears fans are diehard in terms of attendance. The Bulls have been in the top 3-5 in attendance every year for the last decade and have only made it past the Conference Semis once since the late 90s.
Chicago fans are absolutely meatheads. Not gonna deny that. They have crazy expectations and try to eat their young too often for my liking, but to call them anything less than diehard is insane. The Kings had a top 5 team the last 5 years, including winning a Cup, and this is the first year they were in the top 10 in attendance. They have great crowds, but reports of Kings-related excitement were non existent from my hockey loving friends who live in LA.
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Ok, other than the Hawks and Cubs, what leg do you have to stand on? The Bears fans are diehard in terms of attendance. The Bulls have been in the top 3-5 in attendance every year for the last decade and have only made it past the Conference Semis once since the late 90s.
Chicago fans are absolutely meatheads. Not gonna deny that. They have crazy expectations and try to eat their young too often for my liking, but to call them anything less than diehard is insane. The Kings had a top 5 team the last 5 years, including winning a Cup, and this is the first year they were in the top 10 in attendance. They have great crowds, but reports of Kings-related excitement were non existent from my hockey loving friends who live in LA.
I'm old enough to remember the Bulls before the got good, and attendance sucked. In the early 80's, the Bulls couldn't average 7000 a game. That's not a typo. White Sox attendance is pitiful. Can't even draw 2 million fans the last two years in the 3rd largest city in the country. This year, White Sox are 28th out of 30 teams. Only Tampa and Cleveland are worse.
Bears..please. It's not hard to get going for 8 home games when most teams are still in it with 2 or 3 games left in the season. Almost everyone does well with attendance in the NFL. That is no great feat.
I'm glad you brought in the Kings attendance, I'm not going to deny any of that. In fact, you are wrong, they finished in the top 10, not top 5. They have NEVER finished in the top 5. As I said, all cities are the same. It's just that some cities, like Chicago, are in denial about it. Teams win, and fans suddenly show up. Teams lose, and they aren't around. No different, as I said...accurately.
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I'm old enough to remember the Bulls before the got good, and attendance sucked. In the early 80's, the Bulls couldn't average 7000 a game. That's not a typo. White Sox attendance is pitiful. Can't even draw 2 million fans the last two years in the 3rd largest city in the country. This year, White Sox are 28th out of 30 teams. Only Tampa and Cleveland are worse.
Bears..please. It's not hard to get going for 8 home games when most teams are still in it with 2 or 3 games left in the season. Almost everyone does well with attendance in the NFL. That is no great feat.
I'm glad you brought in the Kings attendance, I'm not going to deny any of that. In fact, you are wrong, they finished in the top 10, not top 5. They have NEVER finished in the top 5. As I said, all cities are the same. It's just that some cities, like Chicago, are in denial about it. Teams win, and fans suddenly show up. Teams lose, and they aren't around. No different, as I said...accurately.
The White Sox issues with attendance have nothing to do with being in the 3rd largest city in the country, and that's unfair to put on them.
1. Cubs takeover to the Loop north.
2. Cardinals takeover south of Kankakee County.
3. Their immediate geographical influence area has a household income between $10,000-$15,000. Their geographical fan base doesn't get above poverty level until you get to Cicero Avenue/Oak Lawn/Evergreen Park. That's a 30 minute drive to the Cell.
I'd love for someone to do a study on this type of stuff, but I would imagine the White Sox have one of the greatest struggles to draw given their geographical influence.
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The White Sox issues with attendance have nothing to do with being in the 3rd largest city in the country, and that's unfair to put on them.
1. Cubs takeover to the Loop north.
2. Cardinals takeover south of Kankakee County.
3. Their immediate geographical influence area has a household income between $10,000-$15,000. Their geographical fan base doesn't get above poverty level until you get to Cicero Avenue/Oak Lawn/Evergreen Park. That's a 30 minute drive to the Cell.
I'd love for someone to do a study on this type of stuff, but I would imagine the White Sox have one of the greatest struggles to draw given their geographical influence.
Problem with that statement, however, is that when the Sox have been good....low and behold suddenly people find their way to the turnstyles. In 2006, 36K per game. Not surprisingly, that was coming off a year when the White Sox won the World Series.
Chicago is like any other town. Winners supported, losers are not.
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Problem with that statement, however, is that when the Sox have been good....low and behold suddenly people find their way to the turnstyles. In 2006, 36K per game. Not surprisingly, that was coming off a year when the White Sox won the World Series.
Chicago is like any other town. Winners supported, losers are not.
Every sports team has fair weather fans, there's no doubt there. Not every Lexus SUV driving soccer mom is a super meathead fan, but is it wrong for them to get excited when the team is on the verge of a championship? If you want to measure a fanbase, attendance when there's a bad product isn't the way. It's the same argument as staying to the end of a blowout.
I was merely stating the case for poor White Sox baseline attendance.
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The one thing I learned during the 2013-14 NHL season:
1) I overestimated the sophistication of LAK fans. I was watching them pound the boards maniacally when their team cleared during a penalty kill on Saturday night, and I thought to myself, these guys and gals in SoCal actually get it. Here I am, prepared to shower accolades upon these disciples of Gretzky for bucking the poser lifestyle that made SoCal and embracing the game, the legends, the tradition... when all of the sudden, out comes the commissioner to present the Trophy and the Cup. The boos were sparse, if even non-existent.
Geez, L.A., it's not like you're new to this Stanley Cup thing. Heck, you've been around as long as Philly and Pittsburgh. Show some respect to the game by disrespecting the Commissioner.
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Every sports team has fair weather fans, there's no doubt there. Not every Lexus SUV driving soccer mom is a super meathead fan, but is it wrong for them to get excited when the team is on the verge of a championship? If you want to measure a fanbase, attendance when there's a bad product isn't the way. It's the same argument as staying to the end of a blowout.
I was merely stating the case for poor White Sox baseline attendance.
We agree. That's what I've been saying, but the provincial nature of certain cities and fanbases don't want to admit it.
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We agree. That's what I've been saying, but the provincial nature of certain cities and fanbases don't want to admit it.
Okay then. What else is going on?
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The one thing I learned during the 2013-14 NHL season:
1) I overestimated the sophistication of LAK fans. I was watching them pound the boards maniacally when their team cleared during a penalty kill on Saturday night, and I thought to myself, these guys and gals in SoCal actually get it. Here I am, prepared to shower accolades upon these disciples of Gretzky for bucking the poser lifestyle that made SoCal and embracing the game, the legends, the tradition... when all of the sudden, out comes the commissioner to present the Trophy and the Cup. The boos were sparse, if even non-existent.
Geez, L.A., it's not like you're new to this Stanley Cup thing. Heck, you've been around as long as Philly and Pittsburgh. Show some respect to the game by disrespecting the Commissioner.
They booed him loudly two years ago. Not sure what changed this year. Good friend of mine's brother is the VP of PR for the Kings, Mike Altieri...I worked with his brother for years. He got to be on the ice for both presentations and even hoisted the cup in the locker room. At any rate, there is a hilarious video of a woman in high heels on the ice that takes a header after the game he sent me. I say hilarious knowing that she is ok. It looked bad, if she was hurt I wouldn't say it. Its on the internet somewhere, rather comical and very L.A.
Also very L.A., after the game outside, the LAPD or someone had a drone and the fans took the drone out and destroyed it. If this were the Lakers, someone would have shot it, but being the Kings they took it down by throwing objects at it.
All in all, So. Cal hockey fans know their stuff. Kings were the second batch of teams added after the original 6....been around a long time.
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Okay then. What else is going on?
Ask JWags and MUSoxfan
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Ask JWags and MUSoxfan
I'm not speaking for MUSoxfan, but Chicos is basically saying all sports cities are created equal. And I don't buy that. And it's not just Chicago.
But your arguments for Chicago are the White Sox and the fact that the Bulls had bad attendance 30 years ago, ignoring the fact that Jordan hasn't played for the Bulls for 16 years and in that time attendance hasn't dipped despite limited real success.
Whatever. I would have never thrown the barb that MUSoxfan did, and I actually have a lot of respect for the Kings organization, but comparing LA sports fans and Chicago sports fans is silly. I'd say the same about LA vs Philly, LA vs Boston, etc...
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I'm not speaking for MUSoxfan, but Chicos is basically saying all sports cities are created equal. And I don't buy that. And it's not just Chicago.
But your arguments for Chicago are the White Sox and the fact that the Bulls had bad attendance 30 years ago, ignoring the fact that Jordan hasn't played for the Bulls for 16 years and in that time attendance hasn't dipped despite limited real success.
Whatever. I would have never thrown the barb that MUSoxfan did, and I actually have a lot of respect for the Kings organization, but comparing LA sports fans and Chicago sports fans is silly. I'd say the same about LA vs Philly, LA vs Boston, etc...
I think you have a little bias going on, both ways.
I'm no fan of LA sports fan and I've lived in many cities in this country and visited just about all of them. Cold weather cities inherently like to tell you how great are as sports cities. Some do a better job than others in SOME sports, but there is also less to do. LA has to support two hockey, two NBA teams...Chicago one of each. Yet the Lakers are still at 99.9% capacity in most years, Chicago has but even as recently as 2010 only at 95.8% capacity. Forget raw numbers, you can only put so many people in a building (United Center bigger than Staples Center).
I'm not ignoring the Jordan part at all, I'm stating exactly how convenient it is that suddenly Chicago found out there was a team that played in the city that no longer had Artis Gilmore or Love wearing short shorts. Blackhawks, White Sox, etc, not good attendance for many years except when they were good. No different than other cities.
I'm not going to get into LA vs Chicago or LA vs Boston or whatever. I'm not a fan of LA if you haven't noticed. Too many transplants here many of which "love their city" yet apparently not enough since they left it to come out here. Plenty of meatheads that have relocated to the sunshine and the free stuff. When all of Chicago can rally around one team or all of Boston or all of Philadelphia, that changes a one team dynamic, but doesn't make one city more of a sports city. Combine Angels and Dodgers fans together vs Philly or Red Sox fans. Combine Sixers fans vs Lakers and Clippers. Combine Ducks and Kings fans vs Blackhawks fans. So on and so forth, different comparisons. One thing is certain, when teams win fans emerge.
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How would you compare LA Rams, er, Raiders, er whatever the NFL team is out there to pro football fans in other cities?
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How would you compare LA Rams, er, Raiders, er whatever the NFL team is out there to pro football fans in other cities?
I wouldn't....then again how would you compare another city in the USA that has two major college football teams like USC and UCLA in the same town. Don't bother looking, no one else in the country has anything like it. Cal and Stanford are 48 miles apart, that's about as close as it gets.
Then again, L.A. is capable of supporting two NFL teams and two major college programs all at one time, all with high attendance. As you know, however, NFL teams follow the money and can move. Chicago Cardinals....you're old enough to remember them, aren't you? ;)
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Kessler?? Really??? For nothing???? Chicos, you guys piss me off.
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Kessler?? Really??? For nothing???? Chicos, you guys piss me off.
Did it go through? I can't find anything. So many rumors the last week on Spezza, Thornton, Kessler, etc.
All the talk today has about the new uniforms which are not that new at all. LOL
EDIT: Just saw it. Wouldn't say nothing. Nick Bonino was a nice player for us as well as a #1 draft pick to Vancouver. Sbisa, he's ok. Bonino was a 50 point scorer for us this year, really blossomed this past season.
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He basically said he would want to go to the Disney ducks.
“to be honest, I was only asked my no-trade (clause) to Anaheim. I guess a deal happened fast and it caught me by surprise. But I’m happy it happened today."
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He basically said he would want to go to the Disney ducks.
“to be honest, I was only asked my no-trade (clause) to Anaheim. I guess a deal happened fast and it caught me by surprise. But I’m happy it happened today."
According to the journalists out here today, came down to Chicago Hockey Team and the Ducks, no longer owned by Disney (they were when I worked for them). The Ducks have the #1 rated minor talent and had two first round picks, so they were able to offer more than the Blackhawks.
I hate giving up Bonino, but clearly the Ducks are saying we are going to try now. With Getzlaf and Perry in their primes and with the Cup champions 50 miles north, making their play now. I don't think they are done adding pieces, either. Tons of young talent that can be moved if they wish. Murray just won GM of the year a few days ago, he's a smart dude.
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Well that takes care of the 2nd line center issue.
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According to the journalists out here today, came down to Chicago Hockey Team and the Ducks, no longer owned by Disney (they were when I worked for them). The Ducks have the #1 rated minor talent and had two first round picks, so they were able to offer more than the Blackhawks.
I hate giving up Bonino, but clearly the Ducks are saying we are going to try now. With Getzlaf and Perry in their primes and with the Cup champions 50 miles north, making their play now. I don't think they are done adding pieces, either. Tons of young talent that can be moved if they wish. Murray just won GM of the year a few days ago, he's a smart dude.
Canucks asked for Saad and Teravainen when the Blackhawks inquired about the price. Bowman told Benning thanks but no thanks. This was before the Penguins said they had no interest in Kesler as they are probably the deepest team down the middle in hockey.
Penguins and Blackhawks were Kesler's pre-approved destinations. The Ducks came along after the other deals fell through and Benning had to lower his asking price significantly since any other team had to be cleared by Kesler before a deal could be made. That's also why the Ducks were the only team Kesler was asked about. They were first to the table after Pittsburgh and Chicago.
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Well that takes care of the 2nd line center issue.
Let's hope the 2014-2015 corpse of Brad Richards is better than the 2012-2013 corpse of Michal Handzus. They could probably win with that. The west is getting pretty deep though.
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This one is for Chicos or any Jonathan Quick fans.
The Stanley Cup was in my neighborhood over the weekend and put to use for a good cause.
(For video & photos see link.)
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20140706/kings-goalie-jonathan-quick-brings-stanley-cup-and-smiles-to-hamden
Kings goalie Jonathan Quick brings Stanley Cup and smiles to Hamden
By Chip Malafronte, New Haven Register
HAMDEN >> Jonathan Quick scooped up the shimmering trophy he helped win a month earlier and lugged it to midfield at Hamden’s Joe Bruno Stadium on Sunday afternoon.
Shadowing him were roughly four dozen children from the Hamden Youth Hockey Association. They’d come to get a glimpse of the famous Stanley Cup and the superstar goaltender that beat the New York Rangers to win it. Again.
They gathered together on the 50-yard line to pose with this scruffy 28-year-old dressed in a grey T-shirt, black shorts and backward Los Angeles Kings’ baseball cap that read “We own California.”
Quick is a rather ordinary looking guy who, like many his age, doesn’t want special attention. He’d rather slip into the background to enjoy a beer with friends. But it just so happens he doubles as one of the best goaltenders in the world. And to those youth hockey players mugging with him on the artificial turf, he’s a hero with a background they could closely relate: a kid who’d grown up two miles away and had once donned the very same green-and-white Hamden jersey they wore now.
When the photos were finished, Quick, right wrist in a cast after recent surgery, had a question for the pint-sized horde.
“Do you guys want to help me carry this back?” he said.
And with that, a handful of kids swarmed to pick up the massive Cup and haul it back toward the sidelines.
“Just don’t drop it,” Quick said. “I’ll get in a lot of trouble.”
Quick was having fun. Two summers ago he caught some flak for snubbing Hamden during his 24 hours with the Stanley Cup. But this was exactly the type of scene he had in mind when he decided bring hockey’s holy grail back to his hometown.
After all, his mind is still fresh with visions of street hockey in the neighborhood around Tanglewood Drive, where as a kid he dreamed of one day winning the Cup. Last month he was essential in beating the New York Rangers, the second time in three years Quick has helped the Los Angeles Kings win the NHL championship. So it was important he share it with the children of Hamden.
“It’s special,” Quick said. “It’s something that doesn’t happen very often and I think it’s great the kids were able to check it out and enjoy it and get a picture with it. Hopefully, it’s something they’ll remember for a long time and is something they’ll strive for.”
Quick’s original plan was a private showing with the Hamden youth league, where he’d spend an hour taking photos with the kids and their families and spend another hour just hanging out and answering their questions.
When word of his appearance leaked, officials at Lou Astorino Rink and the Hamden Police Department were flooded with calls looking for details. Quick released a statement Thursday night reiterating his intention to keep the event private, but it was too late.
At least a thousand members of the general public, license plates as far as Massachusetts and New York, showed up anyway hoping for a glimpse. So organizers set up shop on the track around Bruno Field, where those without invitations would have a prime view of the happenings from the football stadium bleachers.
As it turned out, Quick wound up accommodating just about everyone.
When the Hamden youth players were finished with their photos, those who showed up anyway were given wristbands. They waited in a seemingly endless line that stretched the length of the stadium steps, through the exit and around the school’s tennis courts into the parking lot. Quick graciously took photos and chatted with well-wishers for two full hours. Only a handful that showed up late were turned away due to time constraints.
Proceeds from the afternoon — $20 was asked per photo — were donated to the education fund for the children of Jason Pagni, a local youth coach and friend of Quick’s who died in a car accident in January. Officials estimated 500 wrist bands were issued to the 2,000 who came through on Sunday.
Quick was unable to return to Hamden for Pagni’s funeral services. This was a way for him to show appreciation for his former youth coach and longtime friend.
“Jay was one of the best guys I ever met,” Quick said. “He was very special to me. I’ve known him for a long time. He was special to a lot of hockey players he coached and played with. I think there’s a lot of guys in this area who he taught and succeeded at college and pro level who all owe a lot to him. I was fortunate to be able to meet him and spend time with him and call him my friend. It means a lot to try to give back for everything he’s given to me.”
And with that, Quick said thanks and took off. The Cup had been stuffed back into its storage container and shuttled off to a waiting vehicle. Kings’ players, coaches and staff get only 24 hours to bask in Lord Stanley’s glow and there were people and places left to see. But he made scores of kids happy, obliged uninvited masses there just for him and raised thousands for the family of a dear friend in the process.
There’s no way to please everyone given the demands on his time. But rest assured, Quick did Hamden proud on this day.
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This one is for Chicos or any Jonathan Quick fans.
The Stanley Cup was in my neighborhood over the weekend and put to use for a good cause.
(For video & photos see link.)
http://www.nhregister.com/sports/20140706/kings-goalie-jonathan-quick-brings-stanley-cup-and-smiles-to-hamden
Kings goalie Jonathan Quick brings Stanley Cup and smiles to Hamden
By Chip Malafronte, New Haven Register
HAMDEN >> Jonathan Quick scooped up the shimmering trophy he helped win a month earlier and lugged it to midfield at Hamden’s Joe Bruno Stadium on Sunday afternoon.
Shadowing him were roughly four dozen children from the Hamden Youth Hockey Association. They’d come to get a glimpse of the famous Stanley Cup and the superstar goaltender that beat the New York Rangers to win it. Again.
They gathered together on the 50-yard line to pose with this scruffy 28-year-old dressed in a grey T-shirt, black shorts and backward Los Angeles Kings’ baseball cap that read “We own California.”
Quick is a rather ordinary looking guy who, like many his age, doesn’t want special attention. He’d rather slip into the background to enjoy a beer with friends. But it just so happens he doubles as one of the best goaltenders in the world. And to those youth hockey players mugging with him on the artificial turf, he’s a hero with a background they could closely relate: a kid who’d grown up two miles away and had once donned the very same green-and-white Hamden jersey they wore now.
When the photos were finished, Quick, right wrist in a cast after recent surgery, had a question for the pint-sized horde.
“Do you guys want to help me carry this back?” he said.
And with that, a handful of kids swarmed to pick up the massive Cup and haul it back toward the sidelines.
“Just don’t drop it,” Quick said. “I’ll get in a lot of trouble.”
Quick was having fun. Two summers ago he caught some flak for snubbing Hamden during his 24 hours with the Stanley Cup. But this was exactly the type of scene he had in mind when he decided bring hockey’s holy grail back to his hometown.
After all, his mind is still fresh with visions of street hockey in the neighborhood around Tanglewood Drive, where as a kid he dreamed of one day winning the Cup. Last month he was essential in beating the New York Rangers, the second time in three years Quick has helped the Los Angeles Kings win the NHL championship. So it was important he share it with the children of Hamden.
“It’s special,” Quick said. “It’s something that doesn’t happen very often and I think it’s great the kids were able to check it out and enjoy it and get a picture with it. Hopefully, it’s something they’ll remember for a long time and is something they’ll strive for.”
Quick’s original plan was a private showing with the Hamden youth league, where he’d spend an hour taking photos with the kids and their families and spend another hour just hanging out and answering their questions.
When word of his appearance leaked, officials at Lou Astorino Rink and the Hamden Police Department were flooded with calls looking for details. Quick released a statement Thursday night reiterating his intention to keep the event private, but it was too late.
At least a thousand members of the general public, license plates as far as Massachusetts and New York, showed up anyway hoping for a glimpse. So organizers set up shop on the track around Bruno Field, where those without invitations would have a prime view of the happenings from the football stadium bleachers.
As it turned out, Quick wound up accommodating just about everyone.
When the Hamden youth players were finished with their photos, those who showed up anyway were given wristbands. They waited in a seemingly endless line that stretched the length of the stadium steps, through the exit and around the school’s tennis courts into the parking lot. Quick graciously took photos and chatted with well-wishers for two full hours. Only a handful that showed up late were turned away due to time constraints.
Proceeds from the afternoon — $20 was asked per photo — were donated to the education fund for the children of Jason Pagni, a local youth coach and friend of Quick’s who died in a car accident in January. Officials estimated 500 wrist bands were issued to the 2,000 who came through on Sunday.
Quick was unable to return to Hamden for Pagni’s funeral services. This was a way for him to show appreciation for his former youth coach and longtime friend.
“Jay was one of the best guys I ever met,” Quick said. “He was very special to me. I’ve known him for a long time. He was special to a lot of hockey players he coached and played with. I think there’s a lot of guys in this area who he taught and succeeded at college and pro level who all owe a lot to him. I was fortunate to be able to meet him and spend time with him and call him my friend. It means a lot to try to give back for everything he’s given to me.”
And with that, Quick said thanks and took off. The Cup had been stuffed back into its storage container and shuttled off to a waiting vehicle. Kings’ players, coaches and staff get only 24 hours to bask in Lord Stanley’s glow and there were people and places left to see. But he made scores of kids happy, obliged uninvited masses there just for him and raised thousands for the family of a dear friend in the process.
There’s no way to please everyone given the demands on his time. But rest assured, Quick did Hamden proud on this day.
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Great story. Thanks for sharing.
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I briefly saw something yesterday on ESPN that Wayne Gretzky is trying to get a group of investors together to purchase a team for Seattle. Anyone (Keefe) know anything about this? I wonder if Phoenix will relocate or if this Seattle team will start from scratch.
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I briefly saw something yesterday on ESPN that Wayne Gretzky is trying to get a group of investors together to purchase a team for Seattle. Anyone (Keefe) know anything about this? I wonder if Phoenix will relocate or if this Seattle team will start from scratch.
That's really interesting, because I always thought Seattle was a basketball-first city. How much support for hockey wuold there be if they could get a new SuperSonics back in town?
It seems a lot for the Seattle market to support all at once.
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I guess I should have done some investigating on my own.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/11177656/wayne-gretzky-vying-nhl-team-seattle
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I have been following this because I'm waiting for a Hartford Whalers return. (more in a second)
The NHL has recently mentioned to be considering both expansion and relocation of some teams. I heard add two teams and simultaneously relocate another two. I read the NHL wants some additional teams out west to balance things geographically.
It's rumored Seattle is the top target. However, to the NHL's dismay Seattle apparently has OK'd to build a new arena but ONLY if an NBA team is involved. The Key Arena is unsuitable for the NHL. So Seattle apparently will build for the NBA, or build for both the NBA & NHL, but won't build for just the NHL. I also read there may be some investigation of costs to possibly renovate the Key Arena to be NHL-ready.
Quebec City already broke ground on a new arena already and has stated they want the return of the NHL team.
Hartford is undergoing a study now to be completed by Dec. 31, 2014 on NHL-ready arena options. Either build new or do a massive, rebuild & overhaul of the XL Center to make it NHL-ready. Apparently, something needs to be done because of the age of the XL Center and UConn is squawking. And when UConn squawks people tend to listen....... Plus the governor has said there are (3) legit parties interested in putting an NHL team in Hartford and he's sworn to secrecy to protect the parties and so far no leaks. I also read, the NHL has recanted and said "they never should have left Hartford in the first place as it was our Green Bay."
I read the Toronto suburb of Markham wanted to build an arena for a new NHL team. (I think the arena idea is now dead and the Maple Leafs & Sabres were both opposed.)
Kansas City is not an option as the "new arena" is already a dozen+ years old and not so new anymore and the NHL doesn't want Atlanta-redux.
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I briefly saw something yesterday on ESPN that Wayne Gretzky is trying to get a group of investors together to purchase a team for Seattle. Anyone (Keefe) know anything about this? I wonder if Phoenix will relocate or if this Seattle team will start from scratch.
The Panthers and Coyotes have both been mentioned for quite some time to be relocation candidates. I believe both teams are tied to their arenas with long term contracts, so any team in Seattle would probably be expansion.
The NHL Board of Governors recently met and announced that they have no ongoing expansion process, so no new teams will likely be added for at least a couple years from now.
Just based on that fact alone, it is unlikely there will be an NHL team in Seattle any time soon. If they get an arena built the decision may change, but I think Quebec City is probably the most likely candidate if any team is to relocate.
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The Panthers and Coyotes have both been mentioned for quite some time to be relocation candidates. I believe both teams are tied to their arenas with long term contracts, so any team in Seattle would probably be expansion.
The NHL Board of Governors recently met and announced that they have no ongoing expansion process, so no new teams will likely be added for at least a couple years from now.
Just based on that fact alone, it is unlikely there will be an NHL team in Seattle any time soon. If they get an arena built the decision may change, but I think Quebec City is probably the most likely candidate if any team is to relocate.
I forgot to mention there's something in the NBC contract about the percentage of USA based teams required so there's no room for more than one team to relocate to Canada.
The Phoenix arena lease contract is a head-scratcher. Along the lines of if the Coyotes stay and the city & team lose $15mil for year and if they go the city of Scottsdale is still out $4mil year. Something along those lines.
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Toews and Kane - 8 more years
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Toews and Kane - 8 more years
$10.5 Million a year makes them the two highest paid players in the NHL.....so far.
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$10.5 Million a year makes them the two highest paid players in the NHL.....so far.
From what I read, it could have been worse.
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Crosby's front-loaded deal makes him the highest paid at $12 mil per.
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Crosby's front-loaded deal makes him the highest paid at $12 mil per.
They are the two highest paid players so far in the NHL average per season.
In signing their new 8-year, $84 million contracts today, Chicago Blackhawks stars Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane become the two highest-paid players in the National Hockey League.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20140709/BLOGS04/140709828/kane-toews-crack-top-10-highest-paid-chicago-athletes
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That article is incorrect. Crosby makes $12MM per over the next two seasons before his deal drops to $10.9MM for a couple years and then down farther after that. His cap hit is $8.7MM per because he has a deal which was structured under the old CBA.
Crosby will be paid more on an annual basis than Toews and Kane until the 2018-19 season. Toews and Kane will have a higher salary cap hit than Crosby because the structure of Sid's deal is no longer permitted by the new CBA.
Shea Weber is actually the highest paid in the NHL at $14MM per for the next two years, then the two after that at $12MM. Another massively front loaded super long term deal no longer allowed under current rules.
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Between now and 2023 Kane and Toews will make $90.5 mill.
Between now and 2023 Shea Weber will make $79 mill.
Sydney will make $86.4 mill between now and 2023.
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When I talk about the highest paid player, I am referring to annual salary rather than total deal.
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When I talk about the highest paid player, I am referring to annual salary rather than total deal.
I see your point and you are correct about annual salary. If you are a player you want the security of a long term contract and I would take the total number over annual any day. Unless you are an NFL player and your long term contract is meaningless.
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I see your point and you are correct about annual salary. If you are a player you want the security of a long term contract and I would take the total number over annual any day. Unless you are an NFL player and your long term contract is meaningless.
Agreed.