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Title: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: ToddRosiakSays on September 05, 2007, 06:23:22 PM
MU releases schedule


At least 11 nationally televised games highlight the Marquette Golden Eagles' 2007-'08 men's basketball schedule, which was announced on Wednesday.

Beginning in November at the Maui Invitational, including a Dec. 8 matchup with Wisconsin and finishing with eight of their 18 Big East games, the Golden Eagles could play as many as 12 total games on ESPN, ESPN2 and CBS. Add in a local TV package that is in the midst of being finalized, and nearly every one of MU's regular-season games will wind up being televised.

One notable change to this season's schedule is the elimination - at least for the forseeable future - of the long-running Blue and Gold Classic. The tournament was set to enter its 46th season, but one of the three other teams scheduled backed out unexpectedly, leaving a hole that MU was ultimately unable to fill.

"In late August, Maine de-committed on a summer-long agreement and informed us they weren't going to participate in the classic," deputy athletic director Mike Broeker said.  "Despite our best efforts and after exploring all options, we were unable to find a team this late in the summer requiring two games, leaving us with no option but to suspend the tournament for this year.

"Scheduling has changed dramatically over the last few years with new multi-game, non-exempt tournaments popping up each season, making traditional two-game classic tournaments like ours very difficult to fill. Long term we'll need to assess whether it's in our best interest to continue the tournament in its existing format."

The Big East portion of the Golden Eagles' schedule will see them play five of their first eight games at the Bradley Center, including the opener Jan. 5 against Providence. Their three road games in that stretch will be among their most challenging of the season - at West Virginia on Jan. 5, at Louisville on Jan. 17 and at Connecticut on Jan. 20.

"You get yourself braced in the league for every game, because it's such a battle," said coach Tom Crean. "I think it's relatively good because we're going to play some of those tougher teams like Providence at home. You can overanalyze all the aspects of the schedule, but the most important thing you've got to realize is that you've got to be battle-ready for every game."

MU will play no more than two consecutive games either at home or on the road and closes the regular season with two of its biggest, at home against Georgetown on March 1 and at Syracuse to close out the season on March 8.

One byproduct of the elimination of the Blue and Gold Classic is it allowed MU on March 4 to schedule Florida Gulf Coast, a member of the Atlantic Sun Conference which will be entering its first season of Division I play.

"We made the decision last year that we wanted to play a game at the very end inside the (last) 10, because that hurt us a little bit," said Crean, referring to MU's seeding in the NCAA tournament.

MU men's basketball schedule

ALL TIMES ARE CENTRAL

Sun., Nov. 4 - 6 p.m. NORTHERN STATE (Exhibition)

Sat., Nov. 10 - 7:30 p.m. IUPUI

Mon., Nov. 12 - 7 p.m. UTAH VALLEY STATE

Mon., Nov. 19 - 1:30 p.m. Chaminade (ESPN2)

Tue., Nov. 20 - TBD vs. Oklahoma St or LSU (ESPN/ESPN2)

Wed., Nov. 21 - TBD vs. Duke/Illinois/Arizona State/Princeton (ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU)

Fri., Nov. 30 - 7:30 p.m. UW-MILWAUKEE

Sat., Dec. 8 - 5 p.m. at Wisconsin (ESPN2)

Sat., Dec. 15 - 1 p.m. SACRAMENTO STATE

Mon., Dec. 17 - 7 p.m. IP-Fort Wayne

Fri., Dec. 21 - 7:30 p.m. COPPIN STATE

Sat., Dec. 29 - 1 p.m. SAVANNAH STATE

Thu., Jan. 3 - TBD PROVIDENCE

Sat., Jan. 5 - 2:30 p.m. at WEST VIRGINIA (ESPN2)

Tue., Jan. 8 - TBD SETON HALL

Sat., Jan. 12 - TBD NOTRE DAME

Thu., Jan. 17 - 6 p.m. at LOUISVILLE (ESPN/ESPN2)

Sun., Jan. 20 - TBD at CONNECTICUT

Sat., Jan. 26 - TBD DEPAUL

Tue., Jan. 29 - TBD USF

Sat., Feb. 2 - TBD at CINCINNATI

Mon., Feb. 4 - 6 p.m. LOUISVILLE (ESPN)

Sat., Feb. 9 - 11a.m. at NOTRE DAME (ESPN)

Tue., Feb. 12 - TBD at SETON HALL

Fri., Feb. 15 - 8 p.m. PITTSBURGH (ESPN)

Wed., Feb. 20 - 6 p.m. at ST. JOHN'S (ESPN2)

Sat., Feb. 23 - TBD RUTGERS

Mon., Feb. 25 - 6 p.m. at VILLANOVA (ESPN)

Sat., March 1 - 1 p.m. GEORGETOWN (CBS)

Tues., March 4 - 7 p.m. FLORIDA GULF COAST

Sat., March 8 - 1 p.m. at SYRACUSE (ESPN)


http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2007/09/05/mu-releases-schedule.aspx
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: mu_hilltopper on September 05, 2007, 06:34:01 PM
Wow.  No Blue & Gold (no big loss) .. Florida Gulf Coast in March?? .. and no new H&H.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: herboturbo on September 05, 2007, 08:35:57 PM
I'm kind of excited that we have both IUPU's on our schedule this year. 
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: 🏀 on September 05, 2007, 08:55:14 PM
ESPN/ESPN2 against Louisville? Full Circle?
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Schoolyard on September 05, 2007, 09:12:19 PM
Woah...good thing we signed up UWM.  They're the best non conf home game.

This has to be the worst non conf sked ever.

Now granted it's the best Conf home sked ever so I won't complain too much. 

Good thing for MU that they released it after tik invoices were due. 
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: muguru on September 05, 2007, 09:55:30 PM
Woah...good thing we signed up UWM.  They're the best non conf home game.

This has to be the worst non conf sked ever.

Now granted it's the best Conf home sked ever so I won't complain too much. 

Good thing for MU that they released it after tik invoices were due. 

The worst ever?? You can't be serious?? Personally I thought it was one of their best when you factor in the possible games in Maui vs. Ok State and Duke. I will post the RPI's from last year and let you decide for yourself.
Maui-Chaminade-N/A
LSU-91/OK State-51; Let's assume Duke (in the champ)-15
IUPUI-211
Utah Valley State-130
UWM-236
UW-4
Sacramento State-302
IPFW-243
Coppin State-246
Savannah State-289

Florida Gulf Coast-1st year as a full DI team.

What more do you want?? TC tried to get H&H's with Texas, Maryland, Gonzaga & Alabama. None of them were willing to play MU at home this year so it couldn't happen.

Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Schoolyard on September 05, 2007, 10:07:02 PM
I meant to say worst HOME non conf sked.

And yes I heard the TC spin machine all summer about "possible" home and homes.  Interesting that Coach Crean treats scheduling like matters of national security (he was beyond livid when Bruce Weber once casually mentioned Miller Park might happen) but all of a sudden he talks about possibilities...seems to me like pre-spun damage control.

What would be so bad about starting a H & H at Texas?...I would least be able to understand then why UWM was the best we could do in the non-conf portion.  And this would be the year to do it...no team in AMERICA returns the experience we do.  If any team could handle one extra road game, this team could.  And don't give me budgets...you take a shortfall for this season and realize a windfall next season with Texas and UW at the BC.

At least they killed off the B&G...about time.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: muwarrior87 on September 05, 2007, 10:16:52 PM
already in Maui Invite and at Bucky, a solid team...why add another very difficult non conference game to this season on the road?? if we were to add a team like texas, it's got to be on an alternative year schedule w/ madison...when we play at madison, we play them here and vice versa.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: mu_hilltopper on September 05, 2007, 10:23:26 PM
I admit, I'm disappointed.  I was really ready to defend this year's home OOC schedule, but just can't.

Utah Valley St - Last year's RPI 130
IUPUI - 211
Sac State- 302
Florida GC - None.  1st year as D1
IU- Fort Wayne 243
Coppin - 246
Savannah - 289
UWM - 236

Utah Valley is the only decent quality opponent.  (I admit, I know nothing about these teams' prospects for next season)  .. UWM is at least interesting. .. but no new H&H .. low-interest games are also low-quality = about as bad as last year.

Last year, at least the low-interest games had some quality .. 7 from last year were in the 100s.  This year, only 1.

The only number that got mildly better is the low-interest figure .. from 10 last year to 7 this year.  All due to -2 OOC games from the BE + 2 games, and the UWM buy game. 

Was really hoping for that one more H&H.  It's the first year ever (?) that MU hasn't had an H&H.

(Seeing the other posts since I started writing this .. we're talking HOME OOC games.  Clearly, Maui and UW are great .. but that doesn't change the slate of games that are being purchased by season ticket holders.)
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: 77fan88warrior on September 05, 2007, 10:29:00 PM
I can hear incessant whining on schedule in 1,2,..... It is ridiculous that we don't have a decent home and home besides WI out of conference.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 06, 2007, 08:59:05 AM
When did Maine back out of the B&G? When that happened, we should have been begging somebody for a H&H.

Somebody should stage a bonfire for season ticket holders to burn their non-conference home tickets. Having not looked at the day of the week any of them fall on, I expect I'll only attend the UWM game. By my count that leaves 7 games, two tickets to each, at $30 a seat directly into the "round file."

Thanks, Coach!! Where do I sign up for the $100 a plate dinner at Soldier Field?
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: NYWarrior on September 06, 2007, 09:10:24 AM
already in Maui Invite and at Bucky, a solid team...why add another very difficult non conference game to this season on the road??

I disagree.  With a veteran team coming back, the timing is right to sign up for a competitive home and home -- especially if it starts on the road.  MU is loaded with returning talent, with guys who know how to play and win on the road.  This was the PERFECT year to start a H&H on the road.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: NYWarrior on September 06, 2007, 09:17:54 AM
I admit, I'm disappointed.  I was really ready to defend this year's home OOC schedule, but just can't.

Utah Valley St - Last year's RPI 130
IUPUI - 211
Sac State- 302
Florida GC - None.  1st year as D1
IU- Fort Wayne 243
Coppin - 246
Savannah - 289
UWM - 236

Utah Valley is the only decent quality opponent.

IUPUI will be good this year.  They return 9 kids including a guard who missed nearly all of last year with injury (he's their best player)......loaded backcourt, so expect them to be better than the 15-15 they were last season.  They should land up at no worse than 150 RPI
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on September 06, 2007, 09:19:33 AM
When did Maine back out of the B&G? When that happened, we should have been begging somebody for a H&H.

Somebody should stage a bonfire for season ticket holders to burn their non-conference home tickets. Having not looked at the day of the week any of them fall on, I expect I'll only attend the UWM game. By my count that leaves 7 games, two tickets to each, at $30 a seat directly into the "round file."

Thanks, Coach!! Where do I sign up for the $100 a plate dinner at Soldier Field?


While I agree that the non-conf. schedule is disappointing, I think your dislike of Crean is bleeding through a little too much here.

We do know that the coach has influence over the schedule, but common sense and common knowledge also tells us that there are a lot of people involved in making the schedule (president, AD, opposing schools AD, opposing coach, travel logistics, etc. etc.)

To simply blame one person (coach Crean) is really misguided and silly.

Ultimately he is the head of the program, so I understand that he is an easy target, but I'm not sure he is the correct target.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: jmayer1 on September 06, 2007, 09:40:42 AM
When did Maine back out of the B&G? When that happened, we should have been begging somebody for a H&H.

Somebody should stage a bonfire for season ticket holders to burn their non-conference home tickets. Having not looked at the day of the week any of them fall on, I expect I'll only attend the UWM game. By my count that leaves 7 games, two tickets to each, at $30 a seat directly into the "round file."

Thanks, Coach!! Where do I sign up for the $100 a plate dinner at Soldier Field?


Your contempt for Crean is getting really old.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Big Papi on September 06, 2007, 10:09:15 AM
Overlooked in the annual bashing of the non-conference schedule for us fans who don't have season tickets for whatever reasons is this little tidbit from Rosiak:

"Add in a local TV package that is nearing completion, and nearly every one of MU's regular-season games will be televised in some form."

That would be a huge improvement.
 

My 2 cents on the schedule is that overall, MU will be playing a difficult schedule this year.  One can't just look at one aspect of the schedule but instead should look at it as a whole.  If you do look at it as a whole, the schedule is better now than when we weren't playing in Big East.  I presonally would rather see MU play a Duke, Oklahoma St/LSU game than bring in a better well recognized mid-major game at home but that is just me. 

Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: mu_hilltopper on September 06, 2007, 10:14:52 AM
I agree .. if ever there was a year to have a tough road schedule, this is (was) that year.  

I'm still pondering the fact that this is the first schedule .. ever .. to not have a H&H besides UW.

I honestly believe that Marquette should do better PR on this subject.  Yes, yes, someone is about to say "they can't do that every year, explaining themselves."   -- Yeah, they really can.   They sell an expensive product.

Especially after Crean floats comments about Texas, Maryland, Gonzaga ..  doing something with the PAC-10.   Then a big goose-egg.

 None of the ~50 teams you'd like to play .. none of the top 150 teams without high-interest but at least higher-quality .. none of them had room or the desire.  -- No team with Juniors thought hey, let's go to MU this year it'll be rough and we'll get beat, but take them at our house next year with our Seniors, give us an honest chance to knock off a big-name ranked team, take that gamble for a huge resume booster for the season after next.  No team like that. 

And yes, of course, the schedule as a whole will be fine.  Maui, UW, a whopping 18 BE games.   You can't be anything but pleased with the entirety of the year.

It's hard to say which OOC home slate was worse, last or this year.  Close call.

Last Year vs. This year:

7 vs. 1 team  under 200 RPI
10 vs. 7 games "low-interest"
UW game vs. UWM this year (plus the certainty of UW next year, that's a positive)
Finishing a H&H @Valpo vs. No H&H this year, home nor away.

 (I put the Valpo factoid on there because I realize, you gotta play an away game eventually for an H&H.  At least it represents the hope of having H&Hs.)

To those who will call this complaining .. I ask you this.  Is it within the realm of human possibility to analyze this? 
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: mutpm on September 06, 2007, 10:22:50 AM
For budget reasons, MU needs to play 18 home games.  With 9 BE road games, Maui, and UW, MU had no room for another road game.  That's why the necessity to start a H&H at the BC. 

If there is a complaint, it should be that a new H&H starting at the BC should have been set up 2 years ago when they knew Maui was going to happen.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 06, 2007, 10:24:04 AM
While I agree that the non-conf. schedule is disappointing, I think your dislike of Crean is bleeding through a little too much here.

We do know that the coach has influence over the schedule, but common sense and common knowledge also tells us that there are a lot of people involved in making the schedule (president, AD, opposing schools AD, opposing coach, travel logistics, etc. etc.)

To simply blame one person (coach Crean) is really misguided and silly.

Ultimately he is the head of the program, so I understand that he is an easy target, but I'm not sure he is the correct target.

You might be right about my dislike of Crean, but you're crazy if you don't think he makes the schedule on his own. You think he's asking Fr. Wild who he can play? Or our interim AD?  Misguided? I don't think so.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 10:26:35 AM
From a bracketology perspective...

With the emphasis on "it's who you play, and where you play 'em", MU essentially must win at Madison. This is MU's only true non-conference road game, and a loss here would be devastating to MU's seeding come March.

While MU most likely would have advanced to the second round anyway, playing Chaminade in the opener hurts MU. Playing Illinois/Princeton/Arizona St in round 1 would have vastly help MU. MU will most likely get to the title game, but they better hope Duke in on the other bench.

The BE sked will obviously help the RPI, but looking at the bigger road games, MU will have to go 3-3 (or better) with this slate: @ WVU, @ Ville, @ UConn, @ Notre Dame, @ Nova, @ Syracuse. Games at Seton Hall, Cincy, and SJU are trap games, but I would trade a 4-2 record with the first six, for a 1-2 record with these three.

MU's home BE schedule is probably the most favorable MU home schedule I've seen in sometime. 3 of first 4 at home, only one string of back to back's on the road and possible trap games (Providence, Rutgers) are in Milwaukee.

If Marquette can win @ Wisconsin and at least meet Duke in the Maui title game, all should be fine with at least a top 4 finish in the BE. If MU falls at Wisconsin, and we're wondering on March 16th why we're not seeded higher, we can look at our OOC and blame it.

 
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: ToddPacker on September 06, 2007, 10:32:19 AM
So, PRN, what is he supposed to do?  Make other schools play at the BC this season?  Simply put, there was no way MU was going to play another road game this year with Maui and Bucky games.  So, they needed someone to come to Milwaukee.  Now, if you are saying that you don't believe that nobody was willing to do that, then come out and say it. 

You know every year what the deal is going to be.  At most there will be two home non-conference games of interest, more likely there will be only one.  So, when you get exactly that every year and continue to bitch about it every year, I have no sympathy.  I root for Marquette no matter who they play and I enjoy watching the team no matter who they play.  For those of you who are only interested when MU plays top-25 or top-50 teams, then I would consider looking into the 5-game plans next season.  No one is forcing you to re-up your season tickets every year.  I will be more than happy to move closer to the floor once you give up your seats.  Any way you put it, this schedule is about 10x better than any CUSA schedule.  Sometimes I think you all forget that.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 10:34:21 AM
you are correct but two years ago who knew the BE would go to 18 or that there would be no BG classic?

People can rant and rave every year at this time...all they want...it's sort of like opening presents on Xmas day...it happens every year without fail.  I read the ND article where the ND fans were bitching about no more UCLA or Indiana who were on the schedule for years and Brey put it pretty succinctly.  He said ..paraphrase..." yeah with the new BE schedule we had to trade UCLA nad Indiana for Pittsburgh and UConn (2 teams they did not play last year)"

For whatever reason people in Milwaukee and Sb discount the two added big BE games as "not counting" becuase they are conference games.  Makes me scratch my head but why use reason when making an argument? ???
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 10:50:21 AM
   MUDish

   I am sorry but that is completely flawed logic....MU's  OOC schedule will have only a tiny sliver of an effect on our seeding.  It will have a tiny effect only in one way...if we have some bad losses ala SDSU last year.  That is absolutely it!! People.  it will have no more effect. 

MU's sedding will be determined by our conference record and finish along with how we perform in our last 8 or so games and in the BE tournament.  We were "underseeded" last year because we stumbled down the stretch, came in 6th in conference and lost Jerel.  You are absolutely delusional if you beleive last year's OOc schedule had anything to do with our seeding and equally delusional if you feel it will this year.!!!


Here's one for you ....."picture early March  the committee is assembled and Mu is coming off a 14-4 BE record finals of the BE tourney, maybe semifinals, Over all record of 25-6 and ranked #12 in the country a top 20 SOS and a top 15 RPI......and some commitee member says " they should be a 6 or 7 seed becuase of a week OOC"  Not only am I laughing right now but that guy would be laughed out of the room as well.
Ludicrous

Let me ask this question....Say we only played 16 BE games this year and hhad a OOc road game against say Vanderbilt and a home game against say BC.  Would you still feel the same way?  Well folks that is exactly wht we do have but instead those two games are against BE teams!!  6 of one 1/2 dozen of another.  not that hard to grasp.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Coobeys Oil Depot on September 06, 2007, 10:57:36 AM
When did Maine back out of the B&G? When that happened, we should have been begging somebody for a H&H.

Somebody should stage a bonfire for season ticket holders to burn their non-conference home tickets. Having not looked at the day of the week any of them fall on, I expect I'll only attend the UWM game. By my count that leaves 7 games, two tickets to each, at $30 a seat directly into the "round file."

Thanks, Coach!! Where do I sign up for the $100 a plate dinner at Soldier Field?


You cry a lot. Your bitterness toward the schedule is simply misplaced. It's yourself you should be disappointed with. You are the one who keeps writing the check.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 11:20:38 AM
   MUDish

   I am sorry but that is completely flawed logic....MU's  OOC schedule will have only a tiny sliver of an effect on our seeding.  It will have a tiny effect only in one way...if we have some bad losses ala SDSU last year.  That is absolutely it!! People.  it will have no more effect. 

MU's sedding will be determined by our conference record and finish along with how we perform in our last 8 or so games and in the BE tournament.  We were "underseeded" last year because we stumbled down the stretch, came in 6th in conference and lost Jerel.  You are absolutely delusional if you beleive last year's OOc schedule had anything to do with our seeding and equally delusional if you feel it will this year.!!!


Here's one for you ....."picture early March  the committee is assembled and Mu is coming off a 14-4 BE record finals of the BE tourney, maybe semifinals, Over all record of 25-6 and ranked #12 in the country a top 20 SOS and a top 15 RPI......and some commitee member says " they should be a 6 or 7 seed becuase of a week OOC"  Not only am I laughing right now but that guy would be laughed out of the room as well.
Ludicrous

Let me ask this question....Say we only played 16 BE games this year and hhad a OOc road game against say Vanderbilt and a home game against say BC.  Would you still feel the same way?  Well folks that is exactly wht we do have but instead those two games are against BE teams!!  6 of one 1/2 dozen of another.  not that hard to grasp.


Umm, I'm guessing the compehension level of what I wrote isn't getting through to you Harrison.

I'll answer your last question first. If MU had a chance to play @ Vandy and a home game against BC, and it replaced @ Cincy and a home game vs South Florida, I would ABSOLUTELY, 100% take this in a heart beat. Who cares if South Florida and Cincy are BE teams, they're terrible! Opponents on your schedule absolutely matter, and to think otherwise is insane.

Let's get to your next point. For MU to finish at a mark of 25-6, with those accomplishments you noted, it would get them a high rank, absoltuely. THAT SAID, if MU finished with that mark, and let's say Kentucky finishes very similar, but their OOC wins include North Carolina, Indiana, Oklahoma, and Marquette only has Wisconsin, who do you think will get the higher seed? Let's take it a step further and say that Marquette and Kentucky are the last two teams on the S Curve for the last 3 seed line. You don't think someone on the committee will say "hmm, let's see who they beat, and where they went to play in non-conference?". MU gets bumped down to a 4 seed, and is staring at Memphis on the other side of the bracket in the regional semi's. (normally a 25-6 team isn't getting a 4 seed, but for comparison's sake, it is here).

This happens ALL THE TIME. MU's OOC won't obviously be the ultimate say in where they are seeded come March, but you're insane if you don't think it's going to hurt us. Playing Florida Gulf Coast in March won't do the ol' RPI any favors either.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: muarmy81 on September 06, 2007, 11:22:39 AM
   MUDish

   I am sorry but that is completely flawed logic....MU's  OOC schedule will have only a tiny sliver of an effect on our seeding.  It will have a tiny effect only in one way...if we have some bad losses ala SDSU last year.  That is absolutely it!! People.  it will have no more effect. 

MU's sedding will be determined by our conference record and finish along with how we perform in our last 8 or so games and in the BE tournament.  We were "underseeded" last year because we stumbled down the stretch, came in 6th in conference and lost Jerel.  You are absolutely delusional if you beleive last year's OOc schedule had anything to do with our seeding and equally delusional if you feel it will this year.!!!


Here's one for you ....."picture early March  the committee is assembled and Mu is coming off a 14-4 BE record finals of the BE tourney, maybe semifinals, Over all record of 25-6 and ranked #12 in the country a top 20 SOS and a top 15 RPI......and some commitee member says " they should be a 6 or 7 seed becuase of a week OOC"  Not only am I laughing right now but that guy would be laughed out of the room as well.
Ludicrous

Let me ask this question....Say we only played 16 BE games this year and hhad a OOc road game against say Vanderbilt and a home game against say BC.  Would you still feel the same way?  Well folks that is exactly wht we do have but instead those two games are against BE teams!!  6 of one 1/2 dozen of another.  not that hard to grasp.


Well put,
The only way this affects our seeding come march is if we loose to a cupcake.  How often do you hear all the "experts" talk about who's in and who's out with respect to their OOC record?  It's always, well they finished 8-8 in the ACC or 9-7 in the Big East or did well in the SEC so I think they're in or seeded at such and such...
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 11:43:10 AM
You're totally missing the point too. It has nothing to do with overall OOC record!

You hear experts ALL THE TIME saying "who did you beat, and where did you beat them" and if you think that doesn't apply to non-conference opponents, then why evern bother playing teams out of conference? It affects our seeding, absolutely. When you have Teams A, B, C, D that are all similar, they're going to ask "who did you beat and where did you beat them?"
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on September 06, 2007, 11:55:24 AM
While I agree that the non-conf. schedule is disappointing, I think your dislike of Crean is bleeding through a little too much here.

We do know that the coach has influence over the schedule, but common sense and common knowledge also tells us that there are a lot of people involved in making the schedule (president, AD, opposing schools AD, opposing coach, travel logistics, etc. etc.)

To simply blame one person (coach Crean) is really misguided and silly.

Ultimately he is the head of the program, so I understand that he is an easy target, but I'm not sure he is the correct target.

You might be right about my dislike of Crean, but you're crazy if you don't think he makes the schedule on his own. You think he's asking Fr. Wild who he can play? Or our interim AD?  Misguided? I don't think so.

Well, like I said, I do believe that Crean is responsible for most of the decision making regarding everything with basketball. My guess is that everything is run past Fr. Wild and the AD for approval, but realistically coach is the one calling the shots (I don't think that is uncommon for a lot of schools).

The problem with scheduling is all of the variables that are out of MU's hands. Travel, BC availability, student's class work, opposing team's travel, $$$ in the contract, opposing teams schedules, etc. etc.

I'm not saying its impossible to put together a great schedule... but I don't think it's as easy as "why don't we play so and so?"

Anyways, you jab at Crean might not be entirely misguided... but on the flip-side, be prepared to give Crean a ton of credit when MU is successful this season.

If you want to hold a coach accountable for all aspects of the program, then you need to give him the appropriate amount of credit when that program is successful.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 06, 2007, 12:03:56 PM
Crean had a great 2005-06 regular season.

Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: mufan924 on September 06, 2007, 12:09:22 PM
Does anyone have any pacifiers or binkies?

Thought we were all rooting for the same team here.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: jmayer1 on September 06, 2007, 12:11:31 PM
You're totally missing the point too. It has nothing to do with overall OOC record!

You hear experts ALL THE TIME saying "who did you beat, and where did you beat them" and if you think that doesn't apply to non-conference opponents, then why evern bother playing teams out of conference? It affects our seeding, absolutely. When you have Teams A, B, C, D that are all similar, they're going to ask "who did you beat and where did you beat them?"

Actually you are the one who is totally missing the point.

You can't replace our two worst Big East games with BC and @Vandy.  You have no idea which Big East games we wouldn't have had.  If we win a good amount of the Big East road games, it will not matter that we didn't play one more BCS road game.

When the committe says "who did you beat and where did you beat them?" they aren't just going to look at the OOC schedule, they are gonna look at the conference schedule too.  Maybe Kentucky will have one more out of conference road win, but if Marquette has one more in conference road win; what will the difference be?  None.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on September 06, 2007, 12:13:02 PM
Crean had a great 2005-06 regular season.



AND he helped get the al mcguire center built, and he helped MU get into the big east, and he's the second best coach MU has ever had, and he landed Dwade, and he got MU to the final 4, and he got 3 guys into the NBA, and etc. etc.

You can't pick and chose what he is/isn't responsible for.

If you are going to hold him accountable for something like scheduling, well, then you have to give him credit for the things listed above. It's not like he is only responsible for the bad things, and it's just dumb luck when good things happen to the program.

Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 12:25:57 PM
MUDISH

 said "You hear experts ALL THE TIME saying "who did you beat, and where did you beat them" and if you think that doesn't apply to non-conference opponents, then why evern bother playing teams out of conference? It affects our seeding, absolutely. When you have Teams A, B, C, D that are all similar, they're going to ask "who did you beat and where did you beat them?"  "

Maybe you are not seeing the forestdue to the trees .... but if we go 12-6 to 14-4 or something of those lines in the BE , then the answer to your /their question of whod did you beat and where did you beat them will be very very very impressive.   Additionally, How many times have you heard those same "gurus" rave about a "big win" in Novemebr??!??!  if anything my recollection is it is always heavily discounted.  ie.  "Well they did beat so and so but that was way back in December"  in other words no one cares what you did in December. 

Additionally,  you pick Cincy etc or the two worst team on the schedule in your opinion...we'll see who is better this year Vandy or Cincy.  it really does not matter they will be close enough.  And how convienent to pick the two worst teams on the schedule. 

read jameyer's post he is dead on ...read it like 10 times.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 12:26:17 PM
You're totally missing the point too. It has nothing to do with overall OOC record!

You hear experts ALL THE TIME saying "who did you beat, and where did you beat them" and if you think that doesn't apply to non-conference opponents, then why evern bother playing teams out of conference? It affects our seeding, absolutely. When you have Teams A, B, C, D that are all similar, they're going to ask "who did you beat and where did you beat them?"

Actually you are the one who is totally missing the point.

You can't replace our two worst Big East games with BC and @Vandy.  You have no idea which Big East games we wouldn't have had.  If we win a good amount of the Big East road games, it will not matter that we didn't play one more BCS road game.

When the comitte says "who did you beat and where did you beat them?" the aren't just going to look at the OOC schedule, they are gonna look at the conference schedule too.  Maybe Kentucky will have one more out of conference road win, but if Marquette has one more in conference road win; what will the difference be?  None.

Why can't you replace those two BE teams? I didn't know there were conditions in "hypothetical land". I'll throw it back at you, you have NO IDEA which BE teams it would be. Could it be South Florida and Cincy? ABSOLUTELY. Could it be Georgeotwn and West Virginia? ABSOLUTELY. If you want to split hairs, you could take two average BE teams (Providence and DePaul) and use those two as the hypothetical.

For a FANTASTIC read, check out Seth Davis' article from this last March on the effects your scheudling in regards to the NCAA tournament committee. Seth had some good access direct with the committee and wrote on it. If you don't want to read the whole article, here are the highlights:

"ESPN has recently added a feature during its studio shows listing the credentials of two teams without revealing to the talking heads who the teams are. But the first piece of data on the graphic is always the teams' RPI rankings. The rankings are usually close, like 47 vs. 61. The segment is a lot of fun to watch, but that first set of numbers is all but worthless. The UCLA sheet makes that clear.

Here's the other thing I'll bet you noticed on the sheet. While UCLA's RPI ranking is hard to find unless you go looking for it, the blue shading that highlights the Bruins' non-conference games leaps off the page. This is not an accident. The committee wants to know what choices Ben Howland made with the part of his schedule he was able to control.

The significance of the non-conference schedule might be understood by the public, but I still think it is not emphasized enough. Again, go back to ESPN's comparison game. As part of the criteria they list the respective overall strength of schedule rankings for each team. That, however, is skewed because it is a reflection of the conference that team plays in. The more relevant numbers are the teams' respective non-conference strength of schedule rankings. There's a reason those games are highlighted in blue on UCLA's sheet. The committee wants them to be easy to spot.

For example, Drexel, which is squarely on the bubble, has played the 95th strongest schedule in the country. Mississippi State, on the other hand, has played the 34th toughest schedule. Advantage, Mississippi State. But Mississippi State's nonc-onference SOS ranking is 124, while Drexel's is five. Also keep in mind that for a team such as Drexel, upgrading your schedule means hitting the road, whereas BCS teams like Mississippi State have the financial wherewithal to pay mid- and low-majors to come to their place to play. So now if you were choosing between Drexel and Mississippi State for the final at-large spot, which would you pick?"

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/seth_davis/03/08/hoop.thoughts/index.html
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 12:34:41 PM


read jameyer's post he is dead on ...read it like 10 times.

Read Seth Davis' article about 10 times. Nice try today Harrison. Thanks for playing, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: StillAWarrior on September 06, 2007, 12:41:07 PM
Quoting Seth Davis:  "For example, Drexel, which is squarely on the bubble, has played the 95th strongest schedule in the country. Mississippi State, on the other hand, has played the 34th toughest schedule. Advantage, Mississippi State. But Mississippi State's nonc-onference SOS ranking is 124, while Drexel's is five. Also keep in mind that for a team such as Drexel, upgrading your schedule means hitting the road, whereas BCS teams like Mississippi State have the financial wherewithal to pay mid- and low-majors to come to their place to play. So now if you were choosing between Drexel and Mississippi State for the final at-large spot, which would you pick?"

and


Read Seth Davis' article about 10 times. Nice try today Harrison. Thanks for playing, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I'm not really interested in picking sides in this fight, but I think it's reasonable to point out that neither Drexel nor Mississippi State made the NCAA tournament.  Both went to the NIT.  Miss. St. was a #1 seed, and Drexel was a #3.  Drexel lost in the first round to the #6 seed (NC State) and Miss. St. lost in the final four to the eventual champion (and #1 seed) West Virginia.

Seth had some nice thoughts, and I enjoyed his article.  But, his choice to focus on Drexel and Miss. St. turned out to be misguided.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 12:42:52 PM
That is a really funny article to read.....HMMMMM?

Oh that's right UCLA was a #1 seed and Drexel missed the cut!!

Thanks, I hope you are not a lawyer.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 12:55:10 PM
"The committee wants to know what choices Ben Howland made with the part of his schedule he was able to control."

I know, I know, it's tough to understand and comprehend. Even for a #1 seed like UCLA, the committee wants to know who UCLA played out of conference. Imagine that.


Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 12:58:30 PM
......and Drexel with the #5 OOC schedule in the country and 20+ wins goes to the NIT.  BUT how!?

Give it a rest.  You are wrong.

Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 01:25:49 PM
......and Drexel with the #5 OOC schedule in the country and 20+ wins goes to the NIT.  BUT how!?

Give it a rest.  You are wrong.



I'm happy to let the experts answer your questions. Let's let Joe Lunardi field this one...

"My evaluation today places the Dragons as the very last team out of the projected NCAA field. And this is not a bad thing, as more teams typically tend to play their way "out" than "in" at this late stage of the season.

Drexel actually has the best at-large profile among the top four CAA teams. It can't be discounted, however, that the Dragons are 1-4 against VCU, Old Dominion and Hofstra. They did face VCU without star forward Frank Elegar, but it's the two fairly convincing losses to Old Dominion which hurt the most at this point."

AGAIN, my point is that OCC matters. Drexel would never have been in the position they were in if they didn't go out and face good teams. Losing in their conference only hurt their chances even more than if they didn't have the OCC schedule they had.

I don't make up this stuff Harrison. I'm thinking if the experts are talking about it, there might be some truth behind it? Could be just me.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 01:30:11 PM
So then what you are actually saying is how they did in conference actually carried even more weight than the #5 OOC SOS in the nation!!!

Thanks for finally joining the crowd.

Truly i hope you are not a lawyer.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 02:04:29 PM
Sigh.

To get to the #5 OOC, they needed to absolutely play the OOC schedule they had. Considering the conference they play in, they had no choice.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I ever said that conference play didn't matter. Actually what mattered is that THEY LOST TO BAD TEAMS. It didn't matter if they were in conference or out of conference, the fact is they lost to teams you can't lose to if you want to make the tournament. The fact that these teams were in their conference is only reflected in the fact that they HAD to play these teams, they had no choice. We're not even talking about Drexel right now if they didn't go out and make the OCC schedule they did. They also lost to Penn and Rider out of conference. Do you think that had an effect?

The 2001 Georgia team is the PERFECT example of how an OCC gets you in the tourney. They finished 16-14, worst record ever to get into the NCAA tourney. They played in a power conference, but they went out and played a good Minnesotta team, Utah, Stanford, Georgia Tech, NC St, Wake Forest, Cal, Villanova. Given they have the resources to schedule this way, but you are insane/crazy/out of your mind if you don't think the Committee seeds you based on who you play in OCC.

The "truly I hope you are not a lawyer" bit is funny. It's funny that I provide tangible quotes/facts and you just comment on it and buy into your own philosophy based on it. Feel free to give some expert analysis from someone or anything of substance.

The defense rests.



Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: jmayer1 on September 06, 2007, 02:16:03 PM
"The committee wants to know what choices Ben Howland made with the part of his schedule he was able to control."

I know, I know, it's tough to understand and comprehend. Even for a #1 seed like UCLA, the committee wants to know who UCLA played out of conference. Imagine that.




Marquette will have played UW, LSU/Ok St, and Duke all either away or at neutral sites.  I feel pretty good with those teams being highlighted on our non-conference schedule with the huge conference slate we are already playing.

Would you rather play BC and Vandy than Providence and Depaul?  I dunno, to me I don't think it makes a damn bit of difference.  

Marquette's RPI and those of its opponent will still be plenty high that I don't think not having one more home and home in year when we play at UW and at Maui is going to hurt us at all.  Contrary to what Davis thinks, the committe looks plenty at RPI and especially those of its opponents.  Lunardi, who is the best at what he does, definitely backs this up.  

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/Interviews/JoeLunardi.htm
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: mu1642 on September 06, 2007, 02:25:29 PM
ALL WHINE, EVERY YEAR! DON'T BUY SEASON TICKETS IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY!
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Secret of the Ouse on September 06, 2007, 02:36:40 PM
ALL WHINE, EVERY YEAR! DON'T BUY SEASON TICKETS IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY!

Thank you, we didnt join the big east so we would have to schedule a hard OOC.  this years home schedule is one of the best in the past few years, so whats all the fuss about
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Avenue Commons on September 06, 2007, 03:28:27 PM
We finally play DePaul on a Saturday and it's in Milwaukee. Damn.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 03:36:16 PM
Thanks Jaymeyer....i think actually know that by the end of the season MU's SOS will be hard to beat.  The whole part of the schedule they can control was controlled pretty damn well.  Is the actual complaint that they are not being played in the Bradley? I wonder?   Show me how many programs across the country will play  At UW and then LSU?OSU and then Duke or some other team on a Nuetral court??  How many other teams that are ranked in the preseoson will take on that type of challenge.  When conference begins basically the only teams with a stonger OOC SOS will be the drexels of the World.  Then we enter the BIG East and we will have one of the best Conferce SOS in the entire nation.  OUR SOS will be top 15 in the country and we are arguing the OOC is not hard enough?? It's actually as good or better than our peers and no one can hold a calendle to our Conference scheduel.  

If this is really an argument that you spent $30 x the number of seats times the Number of OOC games that is one thing.  But to say out OOC strenght of scheduel is either weak or will hurt us is simply baseless.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 03:57:11 PM
Show me how many programs across the country will play  At UW and then LSU?OSU and then Duke or some other team on a Nuetral court??  How many other teams that are ranked in the preseoson will take on that type of challenge.   

1. Arizona (Virginia, @ Kansas, Texas A&M, Illinois, @ Memphis)
2. North Carolina (Louisville on a neutral court, @ Ohio St, @ Kentucky
3. Kansas (Arizona, @ USC, @ Georgia Tech, @ Boston College)
4. Kentucky (possibly Memphis on a neutral court, North Carolina, @ Indiana, Louisville)
5. Duke (Marquette, Wisconsin, Pitt on a netural court)
6. Memphis (Arizona, Gonzaga, Georgetown, USC on a neutral court, possibly Kentucky on a neutral court)
7. Louisville (North Carolina in Vegas, @ Kentucky, Purdue in Indy)

Do you need me to keep going, or no?
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 04:04:25 PM
yes, I really think you need to keep going.  What have you done...you have named 7 schools that have 3 or 4 big time games...just like us.  Remember our OOC SOS is really going to hurt us. ALL you have done is name 7 schools in our same boat.

8. MU ( @ UW, LSU/OSU neutral, DUKE/Illinois neutral)
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 04:29:07 PM
Ask and you shall receive my friend. Remember, you said, and I quote "Show me how many programs across the country will play XYZ? How many teams will take on that type of challenge?" All I'm doing is answering your question. You made it sound like no one else is.

8. Mich St (CBE in Kansas City, Texas, @ BYU, North Carolina St)
9. Gonzaga (@ Memphis, UConn in Boston, Tennessee in Seattle, Georgia, Wash St.)
10. Texas (@ Wisconsin, @ Mich St. possible games with Tennessee and WVU in Newark)
11. Washington (Pitt, @ Ok St, Preseason NIT, @ LSU)
12. Tennessee (@ Gonzaga, Memphis, possible games with Texas and WVU in Newark)
13. Georgetown (Michigan, @ Alabama, @ Memphis)
14. USC (Oklahoma, Kansas, Memphis in NYC)
15. Ohio St (Preseason NIT, North Carolina, Florida)
16. Indiana (@ SIU, Kentucky, Georgia Tech)

Let me know when to stop.

Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Phi Iota Gamma 84 on September 06, 2007, 04:55:44 PM
This is a nice "academic" discussion, but if the Warriors only lose 4-6 games (including at least 2-3 wins in the BE tourney) all of the strength of schedule and quality road win talk goes away.  Because the top two teams in the BE are going to be no lower than 1-3 seeds no matter SOS or road wins or whether Tom Crean dresses in the GE costume at half time of the womens conference opener.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 05:55:20 PM
Mu dish these 16 teams are proving nothing.  You are saying Mu's weak OOC schedule will ultimately hurt or not help their seed.  The 16 teams you list only have 3-4 tough games listed.  So in other words they will have the same problem as MU.  I thought you were going to list teams that would have a stronger OOc schedule then MU?  yet you list 16 team with 3-4 tough games just like MU.  I dont get it.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: spartan3186 on September 06, 2007, 07:17:53 PM
Just for comparison sake I'm going to throw UConn's schedule out there... it is strikingly similar. It's the nature of the big east

Assumption
Bryant
Coachers vs Cancer tournament (equivalent to Maui)
Gardner Webb
Florida A&M
Gonzaga
Northeastern
Quinnapec
Maine
@Central Florida (theres a doozie of an away game)
@Indiana (equivalent of Wisconsin)

So basically they have Gonzaga rather than UWM big deal.. very similar non conference schedule and they seem to do just fine every year
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 06, 2007, 07:48:26 PM
Harrison: Here is word for word, exactly what you said:

"Show me how many programs across the country will play  At UW and then LSU?OSU and then Duke or some other team on a Nuetral court??  How many other teams that are ranked in the preseoson will take on that type of challenge."

I don't know how else to put it. I researched it, and completely dismantled your argument. How many other teams that are ranked in the preseoson (preseason for everyone else) will take on this type of challenge you ask? Well, apparently a lot. If you think LSU/OSU are going to be any good this year, think again. I'd argue all of those teams top 3 OOC's are much better than Marquette. Just because it says "Wisconsin" or "Duke" on this jersey, don't think that they're going to be the same team from the previous years. This is arguably one of the weaker Duke squads in a few years. They're young and will be better later in the year, but they're not winning the ACC. Wisconsin will make the tourney this year, but if you think they're hangin' with Indiana and Mich St, let's make a wager on it.

UConn's sked is an interesting comparison. I agree it's similar, but with the Coaches vs Cancer being much stronger (UConn's going to get either Kentucky or Memphis, possibly even both, where we'll get a mediocre LSU or Ok St and a down Duke squad) and throwing in Gonzaga (MUCH better than UWM) and Indiana (much better than Wisconsin). The rest is a wash, agreed.

If MU takes care of business in the BE, they'll be fine, I've never said otherwise. Hell, if you read my original post, I said the BE sked works hugely in MU's favor. If MU struggles though, and finishes right around 20 wins, if you don't think this OOC will come back to haunt us, then let's talk again on March 16.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: jmayer1 on September 06, 2007, 08:03:57 PM
MuDish:

I'm not saying our OOC is great, but it is comparable to a lot of other teams.  You originally stated that losing at UW would be terrible for our seed.  I disagree.  I think winning Maui and our Big East slate will be more than enough to make up for our "weak" OOC schedule.  Apparently, you don't feel this way.  I just don't see how adding a mid-level BCS school (say like Georgia or Iowa) adds much to our strength of schedule.  Agreee to disagree I guess.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: muguru on September 06, 2007, 08:27:31 PM
Harrison: Here is word for word, exactly what you said:

"Show me how many programs across the country will play  At UW and then LSU?OSU and then Duke or some other team on a Nuetral court??  How many other teams that are ranked in the preseoson will take on that type of challenge."

I don't know how else to put it. I researched it, and completely dismantled your argument. How many other teams that are ranked in the preseoson (preseason for everyone else) will take on this type of challenge you ask? Well, apparently a lot. If you think LSU/OSU are going to be any good this year, think again. I'd argue all of those teams top 3 OOC's are much better than Marquette. Just because it says "Wisconsin" or "Duke" on this jersey, don't think that they're going to be the same team from the previous years. This is arguably one of the weaker Duke squads in a few years. They're young and will be better later in the year, but they're not winning the ACC. Wisconsin will make the tourney this year, but if you think they're hangin' with Indiana and Mich St, let's make a wager on it.

UConn's sked is an interesting comparison. I agree it's similar, but with the Coaches vs Cancer being much stronger (UConn's going to get either Kentucky or Memphis, possibly even both, where we'll get a mediocre LSU or Ok St and a down Duke squad) and throwing in Gonzaga (MUCH better than UWM) and Indiana (much better than Wisconsin). The rest is a wash, agreed.

If MU takes care of business in the BE, they'll be fine, I've never said otherwise. Hell, if you read my original post, I said the BE sked works hugely in MU's favor. If MU struggles though, and finishes right around 20 wins, if you don't think this OOC will come back to haunt us, then let's talk again on March 16.



Alright compare away then......here is OK State's Non Conference schedule

Fri, Nov 02        Panhandle State       Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.          8:00 p.m.     
   
  Tue, Nov 06     East Central    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      8:00 p.m.    
   
curve    spacer
  Fri, Nov 09     Prairie View A&M    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      8:30 p.m.    
   
  Wed, Nov 14     North Texas    at Super Pit • Denton, Texas      7:00 p.m.    
   Cowboy Sports Network
curve    EA Sports Maui Invitational
  Mon, Nov 19     LSU    at Lahaina Civic Center • Maui, Hawaii      4:00 p.m.    
   ESPN2
  Tue, Nov 20     Marquette/Chaminade    at Lahaina Civic Center • Maui, Hawaii      TBA    
   ESPN/ESPNU
  Wed, Nov 21     To Be Determined    at Lahaina Civic Center • Maui, Hawaii      TBA    
   ESPN Network
curve    spacer
curve    Big 12/Pac 10 Hardwood Series
  Sat, Dec 01     Washington    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      4:30 p.m.    
   ESPN
curve    spacer
  Wed, Dec 05     Texas A&M-Corpus Christi    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      7:00 p.m.    
   Cowboy Sports Network
  Sat, Dec 08     East Tennessee State    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      7:00 p.m.    
   Cowboy Sports Network
  Sat, Dec 15     Pittsburgh    at Peterson Events Center • Pittsburgh, Pa.      11:00 a.m.    
   ESPN
curve    O'Reilly All-College Classic
  Thu, Dec 20     Oral Roberts    at Ford Center • Oklahoma City, Okla.      6:00 p.m.    
   ESPN2
curve    spacer
  Sat, Dec 22     Texas-Arlington    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      2:00 p.m.    
   
  Mon, Dec 31     Northwestern State    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      2:00 p.m.    
   
  Wed, Jan 02     Texas-San Antonio    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      7:00 p.m.    
   
  Mon, Jan 07     Rogers State    Gallagher-Iba Arena • Stillwater, Okla.      7:00 p.m.    
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 06, 2007, 09:01:00 PM
MUDISh
your point all along was how weak MU's OOc SOS was.  that it will "haunt" Mu and then quoted all the gurus to make your point.  My point was 1. it is no weaker than the other ranked teams or equal to. 2. it does not really matter since our OOC SOS would be no weaker we would be on equal OOc SOS soil come MArch.  Since then you have listed 16 teams that have about an equal OOc SOS than us.  Completely proving my point hat we will be on equal OOC SOS footing with the teams we will be competing for the top 4-5-6 seeds against.

Now if you listed 15-20  ranked teams with say 5-6-7 OOc games against top competion than I might say " he is right this will hurt this magical OOC SOS number and our final SOS too.  But nothing you have shown show that will be the case.  Therefore I stick by my original premises 1.  Who you play in November and December does not really matter. and 2. even if it did our schedule is no worse than our peers and 3. even if it was our BE schedule is so strong it more than makes up for it.

pretty simple really...and really do hope you are not a lawyer or a logic teacher either.
Title: Call It For What It Is
Post by: 4everwarriors on September 06, 2007, 09:27:17 PM
Crean makes the schedule, period. Loads up with pansies thereby assuring a 20 win season. Makes the tournament and keeps his name on the short list for upcoming head coaching jobs. Predictably loses the first game and fans bitch about getting BF'd as a 8 seed and we would have gone farther if DJ could only learn not to eat Mexican for his pre-game meal.
Reality sets in and some with a rational mind comment that the team has major talent short-coming issues, the coach is overrated and over-compensated, and all that matters is winning in March.
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on September 06, 2007, 09:56:32 PM
Crean makes the schedule, period. Loads up with pansies thereby assuring a 20 win season. Makes the tournament and keeps his name on the short list for upcoming head coaching jobs. Predictably loses the first game and fans bitch about getting BF'd as a 8 seed and we would have gone farther if DJ could only learn not to eat Mexican for his pre-game meal.
Reality sets in and some with a rational mind comment that the team has major talent short-coming issues, the coach is overrated and over-compensated, and all that matters is winning in March.

I guess that's what Al, Kevin, Mike and others did too....all you have to do is look at their schedules over the years.  Must be a Marquette tradition...oh and a tradition of about 95% of other major coaching positions.
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: jmayer1 on September 06, 2007, 10:09:10 PM
Crean makes the schedule, period. Loads up with pansies thereby assuring a 20 win season. Makes the tournament and keeps his name on the short list for upcoming head coaching jobs. Predictably loses the first game and fans bitch about getting BF'd as a 8 seed and we would have gone farther if DJ could only learn not to eat Mexican for his pre-game meal.
Reality sets in and some with a rational mind comment that the team has major talent short-coming issues, the coach is overrated and over-compensated, and all that matters is winning in March.

I guess reality has not set in for you.  I'm not sure if you think Marquette is UCLA, North Carolina, Kansas, or Kentucky; but I would say what Crean has done since he got here is nothing short or remarkable.....Final 4....3 players in the NBA.....DWade, DWade, DWade.....Helped get the "Al" built.....Helped get us into the Big East......One of the best records in the Big East over the past 2 seasons.

I don't know if you have unrealistic expectations or forget what Marquette's basketball program was like before Crean got here, but comments like these are just plain ridiculous.  

-Has Crean disappointed in the post season with exception to the Final Four?  Yes, he has.  
-Does he have the greatest half-court offense in the world? No, he doesn't.
-Is our schedule much different than any of the other top teams in the country?  No, it's not.
-Did Marquette have a top 20 strength of schedule at the end of last year?  Yes, they did.
-Do I think Crean is the greatest person in the world and defend him at every turn? No, I don't.
-Has he been a godsend for the Marquette basketball program?  Yes, he has.
-Are those constantly ripping Crean and forgetting he is the second best coach Marquette has ever had, either ignorant or just hell bent on ripping on Crean at every turn for some reason?  Yes, there are.
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: muarmy81 on September 07, 2007, 05:51:16 AM
Crean makes the schedule, period. Loads up with pansies thereby assuring a 20 win season. Makes the tournament and keeps his name on the short list for upcoming head coaching jobs. Predictably loses the first game and fans bitch about getting BF'd as a 8 seed and we would have gone farther if DJ could only learn not to eat Mexican for his pre-game meal.
Reality sets in and some with a rational mind comment that the team has major talent short-coming issues, the coach is overrated and over-compensated, and all that matters is winning in March.

I'm assuming that since your username has warriors in it you probably went to school during an era when Marquette was a national name.  I, however, went to marquette during the Deane years and those were some sorry years.  Sure we won 20 games and got into the NIT but we were never on national television as much nor did we ever have our coach bring in an event like college gameday or do a piece with Jay Bilas on how we run a screen and roll, no our biggest treat in the year was watching Marquette beat Cincinnati and that was about it.  Crean may not be the best coach in the country or in the history of our program but he has done soooo much more for this program that I think we often forget just how bad we had it no more than 8 years ago.  Did we ever land 3 top recruits in one year with Deane?  Were we ever in the mix for top 20 recruits?  Did we ever get national tv exposure like this during those years?  Did we ever compete with the level of competition in the Big East like we have the past 2 years?  The answer isn't no, rather it is HELL NO!  Sure we were on ESPN2 when the team reached the quarterfinals of the NIT in 96 or whatever but never at this level.  Get over one of the certainties in life...taxes, death, and top 25 teams will play cupcakes in preparation for their difficult conference schedules. (Both in football and basketball)  I don't know about you but I figure if we tune up for the Big East with some "organized scrimmages" we'll be able to get molded into a team that is ready for Big East play.  I don't recall getting a banner for winning our OOC Championship but I would like to be ready to win a Big East Conference Championship.

/rant off
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: NYWarrior on September 07, 2007, 08:30:36 AM
I'm assuming that since your username has warriors in it you probably went to school during an era when Marquette was a national name.  I, however, went to marquette during the Deane years and those were some sorry years.  Sure we won 20 games and got into the NIT but we were never on national television as much nor did we ever have our coach bring in an event like college gameday or do a piece with Jay Bilas on how we run a screen and roll, no our biggest treat in the year was watching Marquette beat Cincinnati and that was about it.  Crean may not be the best coach in the country or in the history of our program but he has done soooo much more for this program that I think we often forget just how bad we had it no more than 8 years ago.  Did we ever land 3 top recruits in one year with Deane?  Were we ever in the mix for top 20 recruits?  Did we ever get national tv exposure like this during those years?  Did we ever compete with the level of competition in the Big East like we have the past 2 years?  The answer isn't no, rather it is HELL NO!  Sure we were on ESPN2 when the team reached the quarterfinals of the NIT in 96 or whatever but never at this level.  Get over one of the certainties in life...taxes, death, and top 25 teams will play cupcakes in preparation for their difficult conference schedules. (Both in football and basketball)  I don't know about you but I figure if we tune up for the Big East with some "organized scrimmages" we'll be able to get molded into a team that is ready for Big East play.  I don't recall getting a banner for winning our OOC Championship but I would like to be ready to win a Big East Conference Championship.

brilliant post.
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: Coobeys Oil Depot on September 07, 2007, 08:59:26 AM
I'm assuming that since your username has warriors in it you probably went to school during an era when Marquette was a national name.  I, however, went to marquette during the Deane years and those were some sorry years.  Sure we won 20 games and got into the NIT but we were never on national television as much nor did we ever have our coach bring in an event like college gameday or do a piece with Jay Bilas on how we run a screen and roll, no our biggest treat in the year was watching Marquette beat Cincinnati and that was about it.  Crean may not be the best coach in the country or in the history of our program but he has done soooo much more for this program that I think we often forget just how bad we had it no more than 8 years ago.  Did we ever land 3 top recruits in one year with Deane?  Were we ever in the mix for top 20 recruits?  Did we ever get national tv exposure like this during those years?  Did we ever compete with the level of competition in the Big East like we have the past 2 years?  The answer isn't no, rather it is HELL NO!  Sure we were on ESPN2 when the team reached the quarterfinals of the NIT in 96 or whatever but never at this level.  Get over one of the certainties in life...taxes, death, and top 25 teams will play cupcakes in preparation for their difficult conference schedules. (Both in football and basketball)  I don't know about you but I figure if we tune up for the Big East with some "organized scrimmages" we'll be able to get molded into a team that is ready for Big East play.  I don't recall getting a banner for winning our OOC Championship but I would like to be ready to win a Big East Conference Championship.

brilliant post.

Co-sign.
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on September 07, 2007, 09:03:36 AM
Crean makes the schedule, period. Loads up with pansies thereby assuring a 20 win season. Makes the tournament and keeps his name on the short list for upcoming head coaching jobs. Predictably loses the first game and fans bitch about getting BF'd as a 8 seed and we would have gone farther if DJ could only learn not to eat Mexican for his pre-game meal.
Reality sets in and some with a rational mind comment that the team has major talent short-coming issues, the coach is overrated and over-compensated, and all that matters is winning in March.

I'm assuming that since your username has warriors in it you probably went to school during an era when Marquette was a national name.  I, however, went to marquette during the Deane years and those were some sorry years.  Sure we won 20 games and got into the NIT but we were never on national television as much nor did we ever have our coach bring in an event like college gameday or do a piece with Jay Bilas on how we run a screen and roll, no our biggest treat in the year was watching Marquette beat Cincinnati and that was about it.  Crean may not be the best coach in the country or in the history of our program but he has done soooo much more for this program that I think we often forget just how bad we had it no more than 8 years ago.  Did we ever land 3 top recruits in one year with Deane?  Were we ever in the mix for top 20 recruits?  Did we ever get national tv exposure like this during those years?  Did we ever compete with the level of competition in the Big East like we have the past 2 years?  The answer isn't no, rather it is HELL NO!  Sure we were on ESPN2 when the team reached the quarterfinals of the NIT in 96 or whatever but never at this level.  Get over one of the certainties in life...taxes, death, and top 25 teams will play cupcakes in preparation for their difficult conference schedules. (Both in football and basketball)  I don't know about you but I figure if we tune up for the Big East with some "organized scrimmages" we'll be able to get molded into a team that is ready for Big East play.  I don't recall getting a banner for winning our OOC Championship but I would like to be ready to win a Big East Conference Championship.

/rant off


you pretty much summed it up.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 07, 2007, 09:08:47 AM
Deane wasn't perfect, but it was a lot easier to root for him. Crean is the Curt Schilling of college basketball.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on September 07, 2007, 09:11:24 AM
I also have a related question for all of those people who are upset with the schedule.

Are you upset because you think this schedule will hurt the team somehow? (not prepare them, hurt sos, play down to competition, etc.)

or

Are you upset because you are a season ticket holder and you feel like there are a handful of game you just aren't interested in?

If your answer is the ladder, then there is no need to be upset... just don't buy tickets. MU's non-conf home schedule is always going to be a little soft. It's just life.

If you aren't satisfied with the product, just don't buy it. Spend your money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: StillAWarrior on September 07, 2007, 09:15:43 AM
I'm assuming that since your username has warriors in it you probably went to school during an era when Marquette was a national name.  I, however, went to marquette during the Deane years and those were some sorry years.  Sure we won 20 games and got into the NIT but we were never on national television as much nor did we ever have our coach bring in an event like college gameday or do a piece with Jay Bilas on how we run a screen and roll, no our biggest treat in the year was watching Marquette beat Cincinnati and that was about it.  Crean may not be the best coach in the country or in the history of our program but he has done soooo much more for this program that I think we often forget just how bad we had it no more than 8 years ago.

Consider yourself lucky.  I (and at least two other regular posters on this board) were there for one of the worst four year stretches in Marquette history -- 87-88 through 90-91.  The last two years of Dukiet (10-18 and 13-15) and the first two of O'Neil (15-14 and 11-18).  One NIT appearance and two years in the glorious MCC conference.  Twenty win season?  You've got to be kidding me:  10-18, baby, 10-18.

I can't imagine what some of the people on this board would be like if we had a 10-18 season.  Crean's not perfect, and I often scratch my head about our offense's inability to create a decent shot, but it's nice when we all expect 20 win seasons and post-season appearances.  I really want Marquette to take that last step to being a truly elite program, but I'm happy with how close we are.  And I think it goes without saying that Crean deserves a lot of the credit.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on September 07, 2007, 09:18:10 AM
Deane wasn't perfect, but it was a lot easier to root for him. Crean is the Curt Schilling of college basketball.

I appreciate your honesty, but I think this is the problem.

You dislike Crean, and therefore it shades your view of everything related to the program. Liking or disliking Crean has nothing to do with the schedule. There is no schedule out there that is going to make you like him.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 07, 2007, 10:35:27 AM
MUDISh
your point all along was how weak MU's OOc SOS was.  that it will "haunt" Mu and then quoted all the gurus to make your point.  My point was 1. it is no weaker than the other ranked teams or equal to. 2. it does not really matter since our OOC SOS would be no weaker we would be on equal OOc SOS soil come MArch.  Since then you have listed 16 teams that have about an equal OOc SOS than us.  Completely proving my point hat we will be on equal OOC SOS footing with the teams we will be competing for the top 4-5-6 seeds against.

Now if you listed 15-20  ranked teams with say 5-6-7 OOc games against top competion than I might say " he is right this will hurt this magical OOC SOS number and our final SOS too.  But nothing you have shown show that will be the case.  Therefore I stick by my original premises 1.  Who you play in November and December does not really matter. and 2. even if it did our schedule is no worse than our peers and 3. even if it was our BE schedule is so strong it more than makes up for it.

pretty simple really...and really do hope you are not a lawyer or a logic teacher either.

Way to keep saying "really do hope you are not a lawyer". If you're an English or grammar teacher, I pity the youth of America. See the "spell check" button? Learn to use it sometime.

Anyway, as I said, if MU takes care of BE business, everything will sort itself out. I'll stand by my argument that if MU is on the same seed line as three other BCS conference teams, all things considered, the committee is going to look at our OOC sked, that's why I think the Wisconsin game is big. It's our only true OOC road game. Maybe it means the difference between being a 3 and a 4 seed. In a year where I think the top 3 teams in the country are in my opinion, head and shoulders above everyone else (Memphis, UCLA, UNC), I'd rather see those guys in a regional final instead of a semi. It's a long way a way from that, but it goes to my original point of seeding.

Finally, here is a list of the OCC RPI average for Joe Lunardi's 2/3 seeds in his latest bracketology. All rpi's came from realtimerpi.com. Some assumptions were made here. Any teams new to D1 was given a 300 rpi, and for teams participating in preseason tourney's where there first two opponents haven't been determined, a 200 rpi was given for opponents for both games. Final assumption was that these teams would face the best competion in those preseason conference tourney's semi-finals and championship game.

Teams listed here are Marquette, Mich St, Kansas, Tennessee, Georgetown, Kentucky, NC St and Duke.

Team A       Avg OOC opponent RPI    104
Team B       Avg OOC opponent RPI    115
Team C       Avg OOC opponent RPI    122
Team D       Avg OOC opponent RPI    136
Team E       Avg OOC opponent RPI    147
Team F       Avg OOC opponent RPI    159
Team G       Avg OOC opponent RPI    172
Team H       Avg OOC opponent RPI    185

While past performance doesn't guarantee future results, if come seeding time, all of these teams finish similar in their power conferences, I have a strong hunch that these numbers will bear some weight.

Take a guess which team is Marquette. This doesn't even take into account MU playing Chaminade.




Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: NYWarrior on September 07, 2007, 10:39:39 AM
Deane wasn't perfect, but it was a lot easier to root for him. Crean is the Curt Schilling of college basketball.

huh? The former coach who was given an historic boot in the NCAA tourney, famously enjoyed his bar time across the country, berated and embarrassed players during games, and talked down the history & ultimate potential of his employer was easier to root for?

Deane is a good coach.....not sure he was ever easier to root for.

I can appreciate it if folks think that TC's public persona is over the top at times ...... but the comparison to Deane doesn't help the argument.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: The Lens on September 07, 2007, 10:47:27 AM
Mike was real, he had warts but he had character.

Tom is programmed.

Tom is better for MU, but there's a reason John Daly is so popular.
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: muarmy81 on September 07, 2007, 11:05:25 AM
I'm assuming that since your username has warriors in it you probably went to school during an era when Marquette was a national name.  I, however, went to marquette during the Deane years and those were some sorry years.  Sure we won 20 games and got into the NIT but we were never on national television as much nor did we ever have our coach bring in an event like college gameday or do a piece with Jay Bilas on how we run a screen and roll, no our biggest treat in the year was watching Marquette beat Cincinnati and that was about it.  Crean may not be the best coach in the country or in the history of our program but he has done soooo much more for this program that I think we often forget just how bad we had it no more than 8 years ago.

Consider yourself lucky.  I (and at least two other regular posters on this board) were there for one of the worst four year stretches in Marquette history -- 87-88 through 90-91.  The last two years of Dukiet (10-18 and 13-15) and the first two of O'Neil (15-14 and 11-18).  One NIT appearance and two years in the glorious MCC conference.  Twenty win season?  You've got to be kidding me:  10-18, baby, 10-18.

I can't imagine what some of the people on this board would be like if we had a 10-18 season.  Crean's not perfect, and I often scratch my head about our offense's inability to create a decent shot, but it's nice when we all expect 20 win seasons and post-season appearances.  I really want Marquette to take that last step to being a truly elite program, but I'm happy with how close we are.  And I think it goes without saying that Crean deserves a lot of the credit.

Very true Stillawarrior, Some folks had it worse than I did, actually considering the cirumstances of other eras of MU Basketball I had it alright.  The point I was trying to make is that with Crean we probably have it better than any other period in Marquette Basketball, excluding of course the legendary Al.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: HarveysWallbangers on September 07, 2007, 11:09:03 AM
There was a guy sitting behind the bench during the Michigan State game on the other board who said Crean's behavior was the worst he'd ever seen by an MU coach during a game. This referred in particular to his treatment of his assistants.

Crean isn't programmed...he's just a totally pompous phony-baloney.
Title: Re: Call It For What It Is
Post by: StillAWarrior on September 07, 2007, 11:27:45 AM
Quote from: muarmy81
The point I was trying to make is that with Crean we probably have it better than any other period in Marquette Basketball, excluding of course the legendary Al.

I understood (and agree with) the point you were making.  I just felt like feeling sorry for myself a bit.  I really envy those who were students in the Al glory years and those who are there now.  It would have been so much fun to root for a winning team while I was at Marquette.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: jmayer1 on September 07, 2007, 11:43:10 AM
There was a guy sitting behind the bench during the Michigan State game on the other board who said Crean's behavior was the worst he'd ever seen by an MU coach during a game. This referred in particular to his treatment of his assistants.

Crean isn't programmed...he's just a totally pompous phony-baloney.

That may be, but he is still the second best coach this school has ever seen.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 07, 2007, 12:18:48 PM
MUDISH--

  "I'll stand by my argument that if MU is on the same seed line as three other BCS conference teams, all things considered, the committee is going to look at our OOC sked, "

sure they will and then they will lokk at the other teams and notice their OOC SOS's are basically indistinguishable.



Team A       Avg OOC opponent RPI    104
Team B       Avg OOC opponent RPI    115
Team C       Avg OOC opponent RPI    122
Team D       Avg OOC opponent RPI    136
Team E       Avg OOC opponent RPI    147
Team F       Avg OOC opponent RPI    159
Team G       Avg OOC opponent RPI    172
Team H       Avg OOC opponent RPI    185

as you said " assumptions were mad" and teams "were given rankings"  even if they were not OOC SOS is such a minute part of the eqaution it will make not difference.  Simply looking at your "concocted, assumptions" there is not a tremendous amount of difference whatsoever.

Do you pick the fly $#)% out of the pepper?
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: DegenerateDish on September 07, 2007, 03:24:06 PM
Harrison, seriously, are you insane? So you know, the assumptions, actually benefited Marquette in that analysis! If anything, Marquette's trend is probably worse than it shows. Marquette is Team H by the way.  In this analysis,they were helped greatly by Wisconsin's number 4 RPI last year. Wisconsin ain't finishing with a number 4 overall RPI this year bro. Since Duke plays Wisconsin, you could say they are affected by this too, but Duke is Team B. So the trend won't affect them as much. Team G (NC St) and Marquette don't have a huge difference, I'll actually give you credit for that. Team F (Georgetown) is even semi-comparable. After that, well, if you can't do the math at this point, I don't know what to tell you.

Go ahead, keep arguing, you still have given zero hard evidence/data/analysis to back anything up. You're like a 12 year old kid who keeps arguing with his brother just because....well, just because. It's comical.

Believe what you want man. You say stupid things, I at least give you intelligent responses. The beauty of an internet message board is any idiot who can log on and type (or in your case, kinda/sorta type) can say whatever they want and argue all day long. God bless ya.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Marquette84 on September 07, 2007, 04:35:30 PM

It's one thing to predict that OOC RPI is a big factor in seeding.

But it's another to actually look at the impact.  Looking at last years' top six seeds, poor OOC records were hardly enough to keep them from getting high seeds.  Teams like Florida, Oregon, Washington State, Texas A&M, Georgetown, and Kansas all received very high seeds, despite not-so-stellar SOS rankings.

Meanwhile, you have teams like Missouri State (OOC SoS of 56), Bradley (15), Drexel (8), App State (4) passed over and left out of the tournament completely.

I think the conclusion is that if you take care of business, you'll be rewarded with a high seed regardless of your non-conference SOS.

And a strong non-conference SOS isn't going to save you if you don't. 

#1 FL:  159
#2 Wisconsin 71
#3 Oregon:  233
#4 Maryland: 40
#5 Butler: 27
#6: ND: 309

#1 UNC: 7
#2 Georgetown: 129
#3 Wash st.:  310
#4 Texas:  183
#5 USC: 181
#6: vanderbilt: 130

#1: OSU:  72
#2 Memphis 22
#3 TAMU:  141
#4 Virginina:  175
#5 Tennessee: 5
#6 UL:  145

#1 Kansas:  114
#2 UCLA:  3
#3 Pitt:  23'
#4 SIU:  45
#5 VTech: 76
#6 Duke: 10


Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] MU releases schedule
Post by: Harrison on September 07, 2007, 06:20:40 PM
"the assumptions halped MU"

Again laughable...again the whole thing does not matter as myself and everyone else has shown and stated. 

also how does a FGCU automatically being ranked #300 help MU.  Sure maybe UW will not be 4 but other schools may move .  Maybe they will move down
as history shows as other posters have shown as Mu84 just showed , OOc SOS may matter probably about 1% of the toal.  you are amking a mountain out of a molehill.

using Mu84's chart and your theory how can maryland possibly be a 4 seed when wash state with a310 OOC SOS which is almost the worst you could possibly have and oregon at233 end up as 3 seeds.

you are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Meanwhile your poster school Drexel at OOC SOS 15 gets left out.  Appalacian state At #4 gets left.  Call me insane, call the commitee insane!! ::) :o