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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: dw3dw3dw3 on November 07, 2012, 07:03:52 PM
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Joel Hans Embiid @jojo_embiid
Finally down to 3 Florida, kansas and Texas
Can't blame him... that's a nice list to have.
Should be fine in 2013... 2014 starting spot open at the C... I guess right now it would be McKay by default.
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Well damn...
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WELL FAWKKKKKK
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Good luck to Embiid. Hope he chooses Kansas.
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Best wishes Joel.
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This is one of the toughest recruiting losses I can remember. With the last visit, Mbah a Moute, and the other schools focused on Julius Randle and Dakari Johnson, I really felt we had a decent shot with this guy. I can't remember wanting a recruit more than Embiid that I felt we had a real shot with (Quincy Miller was always a bit of a pipe dream) in the past few years. I really hope this doesn't hurt our odds with Diamond Stone. Buzz had a chance to show what he could do with an elite center prospect, now it will still be a crapshoot.
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He was probably told about Buzz-cutting
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DAMMIT!!
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I guess Florida, since he goes to school in Gainesville.
Looney is now the all out effort and a perfect fit for J. Wilson's spot.
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I've already written off Looney. We may have an outside shot at Alexander, but Paul White and Keita Bates-Diop are the two realistic guys at the top of my 2014 wish list.
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Really crushed on this one. Can't blame him though. If he wants to play in the NBA, MU isn't his best option (at least compared to the others). MU hasn't put a big in the NBA in at least 20 years. It'd be asking a lot of the kid to come here and be a guinea pig as to how Buzz would use an elite big when he can pretty much be guaranteed a first rounder in 2-3 years with a little work at one of the other schools. I'll be an Embiid fan wherever he goes but that doesn't mean this isn't soul crushing news (for me anyway )that we just got less than 48 hours before tip off when we should be getting excited for the first game.
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Really crushed on this one. Can't blame him though. If he wants to play in the NBA, MU isn't his best option (at least compared to the others). MU hasn't put a big in the NBA in at least 20 years. It'd be asking a lot of the kid to come here and be a guinea pig as to how Buzz would use an elite big when he can pretty much be guaranteed a first rounder in 2-3 years with a little work at one of the other schools. I'll be an Embiid fan wherever he goes but that doesn't mean this isn't soul crushing news (for me anyway )that we just got less than 48 hours before tip off when we should be getting excited for the first game.
For what it's worth, Amal McCaskill was drafted to the NBA 16 years ago. Granted, he didn't have the most prolific career, and the rest of your point is spot on, but yeah...really wish he had waited until after the Carrier Classic, as I feel that is the type of event to showcase us nicely. Oh well...at least this should end all the oversigning complaints :-\
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For some reason I thought we had a real shot. Obviously I was wrong, but it still stings.
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The only things keeping me off the ledge are
a.) We just got Jajuan Johnson
and
b.) After losing out on Dieng we got Gardner in the spring (iirc)
<starts hyperventilating>
Thinkhappythoughtsgotoyourhappyplacethinkhappythoughtsgotoyourhappyplace
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Really crushed on this one. Can't blame him though. If he wants to play in the NBA, MU isn't his best option (at least compared to the others). MU hasn't put a big in the NBA in at least 20 years. It'd be asking a lot of the kid to come here and be a guinea pig as to how Buzz would use an elite big when he can pretty much be guaranteed a first rounder in 2-3 years with a little work at one of the other schools. I'll be an Embiid fan wherever he goes but that doesn't mean this isn't soul crushing news (for me anyway )that we just got less than 48 hours before tip off when we should be getting excited for the first game.
Crushed? Soul-crushing? Really?
Your very soul has been crushed because a teenager decided to play basketball elsewhere? Wow.
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Disappointed, but I'm glad it happened this week rather than being let down next week at the last second (remember Tarik Black).
Can't begin to imagine what it will feel like if we miss out on both Looney and Stone...
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Crushed? Soul-crushing? Really?
Your very soul has been crushed because a teenager decided to play basketball elsewhere? Wow.
Well, I was speaking relative to MU basketball but I guess when you put it in perspective it really isn't all that "crushing" in the greater scheme of things. The reason it's such a disappointment though is because of how hard the staff worked to get Embiid and what it would have meant to the program to sign him. I honestly think Embiid could have been a program elevator and he could have help set the foundation for future top big man recruits to come to MU. MU will have another chance at getting one of the bigs from Illinois in 2014 and Stone in 15 but I felt Buzz was so close to the top of the hill with this one only to fall all the way down to the bottom.
On the positive side though, I think this looks good for Otule returning for a 6th year.
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Can't begin to imagine what it will feel like if we miss out on both Looney and Stone...
Prepare yourself now for the butthurt.
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Crushed? Soul-crushing? Really?
Your very soul has been crushed because a teenager decided to play basketball elsewhere? Wow.
Buddhists consider the soul to be illusory... illusions are easy to crush.
I wasn't sure we'd get him, but I was convinced we'd be in the final five. I was wrong. He's gone for the three biggest names, its what almost all of us would do in the same situation. Texas was a real surprise for me. That's where playing time will be toughest as they will have too highly rated centers a year ahead of him. Kansas is a very long and tough tradition to recruit against. Florida needs him the most, and its from the area he's had an opportunity to get comfortable in. I'm betting on them.
Good luck Joel. Develop fast and get to the NBA before we have to meet you in the NCAA tournament.
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Well, I was speaking relative to MU basketball but I guess when you put it in perspective it really isn't all that "crushing" in the greater scheme of things. The reason it's such a disappointment though is because of how hard the staff worked to get Embiid and what it would have meant to the program to sign him. I honestly think Embiid could have been a program elevator and he could have help set the foundation for future top big man recruits to come to MU. MU will have another chance at getting one of the bigs from Illinois in 2014 and Stone in 15 but I felt Buzz was so close to the top of the hill with one only to fall all the way down to the bottom.
Yup. Dude's got lotto potential and I'd be shocked if he was still in college after 2 years. Would have thrived in Buzz' system but then again that's a given wherever he goes. Just wish he would have waited til after the summer to blow up so that we were his best offer. That's what we have to bank on to get the big man train rolling. Oh well, I don't doubt Buzz has some under the radar rabbit he'll pull out of the hat. Just feel bad for him after all the work he clearly put into this recruitment. Hope this isn't another Shumpert that broke the camel's back.
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Yup. Dude's got lotto potential and I'd be shocked if he was still in college after 2 years. Would have thrived in Buzz' system but then again that's a given wherever he goes. Just wish he would have waited til after the summer to blow up so that we were his best offer. That's what we have to bank on to get the big man train rolling. Oh well, I don't doubt Buzz has some under the radar rabbit he'll pull out of the hat. Just feel bad for him after all the work he clearly put into this recruitment. Hope this isn't another Shumpert that broke the camel's back.
Really?
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Can't begin to imagine what it will feel like if we miss out on both Looney and Stone...
...and Ellenson. My biggest worry is that losing Embiid may inadvertently cost us out shot with either Stone or Ellenson.
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Correction:
That's a jackass, not a camel.
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Bummer. I wish Joel the best. Buzz will find someone else.
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Lame...any targets we may be in on for 2013? Does anyone think we're done for '13?
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Lots of handlers when you get into playing with the big boys, some squirmy per the NCAA. His AAU is Adidas, so my guess Kansas wins out...although FL has local pull. Greene from his AAU team is already a KU commit. Was MU in because of the Mbah Moute tie only...but as his potential developed, the big boys swarmed in? Either way, good luck to the kid...it will be fun to see how he develops as he still isn't a Top 100 rated.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-05/sports/os-hs-florida-rams-banned-from-aau-20120705_1_ncaa-staffers-current-nba-players-ohio-state
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Lame...any targets we may be in on for 2013? Does anyone think we're done for '13?
With 5 recruits already committed for next year, I would like to see Buzz save the schollie unless he can get in on someone that is exceptionally good.
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With 5 recruits already committed for next year, I would like to see Buzz save the schollie unless he can get in on someone that is exceptionally good.
There is no schollie to save as of right now, though. We're one over if Otule comes back and all full if he doesn't.
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Yup. Dude's got lotto potential and I'd be shocked if he was still in college after 2 years.
I'll take a piece of that action.
The kid is good, but the odds of a player leaving after 2 years is EXTREMELY slim.
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I am really surprised by this. I heard he had great visit last weekend. Very, very disappointing news.
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There is no schollie to save as of right now, though. We're one over if Otule comes back and all full if he doesn't.
Can we stop with the "if" with Otule. The only reason it was brought up was to justify the oversigning. We should be begging Otule to stay for his 6th year, the guy is highly undervalued on this board. Not many 7 footers with his skill set that have attended MU in the last 20 years. He was very good last year before being injured. If he leaves MU will be left with Gardner and a bunch of 3/4s.
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Mr. Embiid, best of luck on your college choice. Buzz, keep recruiting.
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Can we stop with the "if" with Otule.
Otule is the one that was saying, "if I choose to play a 6th year."
I would love for him to stay, but he's definitely still in 'if' territory.
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Mr. Embiid, best of luck on your college choice. Buzz, keep recruiting.
Yep. When you have 3 of the top 65 players for the class of 2013 coming in, plus a first team Juco All-American, you're ahead of the game. If Buzz hits the road, I can't imagine it will have anything to do with missing on this class. I'm giddy.
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Otule and Gardner can be back next year, so Buzz can sell 1 or 2 players the opportunity to start right away, that can be a big selling point. He has a whole year to find one, I am sure
he will. He has alot to over, he will need to sign 2 bigs next year. I am confident he can find one. I am sure a JC kid would love to fit into this situation.
C Taylor
F McKay
F burton
G Wilson
G Johnson
Can still play with that group and be good! Really good.
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Otule and Gardner can be back next year, so Buzz can sell 1 or 2 players the opportunity to start right away, that can be a big selling point. He has a whole year to find one, I am sure
he will. He has alot to over, he will need to sign 2 bigs next year. I am confident he can find one. I am sure a JC kid would love to fit into this situation.
C Taylor
F McKay
F burton
G Wilson
G Johnson
Can still play with that group and be good! Really good.
My thoughts exactly. Would love to see Otule choose to return for another year of the two headed monster with Gardner, then hand over the reigns to the #1 JUCO center flanked by McKay & Taylor with studs at the 1-3. It's almost set up too perfectly.
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I'll take a piece of that action.
The kid is good, but the odds of a player leaving after 2 years is EXTREMELY slim.
Sure why not. As long as he gets the requisite PT, he's got the frame, skill set and upside that screams NBA early entry (to me anyway). What are the terms of this friendly wager?
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Really, really, really unfortunate news. I was certain that we'd make the Top 3, but as a few have already said, at least the heart break is now.
One less person to follow on Twitter. JoJo...never knew you.
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Can we stop with the "if" with Otule. The only reason it was brought up was to justify the oversigning. We should be begging Otule to stay for his 6th year, the guy is highly undervalued on this board. Not many 7 footers with his skill set that have attended MU in the last 20 years. He was very good last year before being injured. If he leaves MU will be left with Gardner and a bunch of 3/4s.
<------------------- Look over here and scroll up, right above the standings. See that "1" next to Otule's name? I can't wait to see a "10" next to it in late-February, mostly because that will mean I'm looking at airfares to Atlanta, but partly just to see the conversation pull a 1260 and go from "if Otule stays" to "when the NCAA will confirm his 6th."
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Really?
Yes, I really HOPE it's not. I don't THINK it will be, as I said I'm sure Buzz will pull an under the radar rabbit out of the hat per usual. 'Twas a valiant effort though.
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It's too bad that 2014 is such a thin year for centers. I would love to see us land Cliff Alexander, but I think his stock has probably risen too high. Khadeem Lattin may be a legitimate option to start from day one. We can offer a starting role from day one that year, and with the talent on that team we could be a legit NC contender from day one, so maybe we can land someone that year, but it'll be tough.
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I've been over this roller coaster enough to know that you can't get too excited about these guys at this stage. When we are competing in a group that includes Florida, Kansas and Texas, we are clearly the outlier in a variety of ways. Maybe that works in our favor in some cases, but it makes me think that he wasn't really looking for the type of experience Marquette has to offer. The M-a-M (can I do that?) connection seemed to be the best thing we had going. Even there, M-a-M's comments seemed more along the lines of trying to find the right fit and the best opportunity for Embiid rather than making a push to get him to Marquette.
My one question is that I thought Texas had been taken out of consideration on both sides. Did I hear that wrong, or how did they get back in the mix? Because if he eliminated UT and then visited Marq, and after that visit eliminated Marq and reinstated UT in his top 3, that would be a bit strange and doesn't look great for us.
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Sure why not. As long as he gets the requisite PT, he's got the frame, skill set and upside that screams NBA early entry (to me anyway). What are the terms of this friendly wager?
Well, what does "requite PT" mean?
Are you talking about injury, or if he doesn't earn enough PT?
The bet can be stupid/friendly. I'm not trying to humiliate anybody, I just think predicting a 2-and-done for this kid is overshooting the mark by quite a bit. A tiny percentage of players make the NBA, and even less are able to do it after 2 years.
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Can we stop with the "if" with Otule. The only reason it was brought up was to justify the oversigning. We should be begging Otule to stay for his 6th year, the guy is highly undervalued on this board. Not many 7 footers with his skill set that have attended MU in the last 20 years. He was very good last year before being injured. If he leaves MU will be left with Gardner and a bunch of 3/4s.
What you're seeing is a natural avoidance to what everyone knows is the truth: Whoever averages 4 mpg, 0.4 ppg this year will transfer. Either that or one of our incoming recruits will have an unimpressive senior year and will not enrol.
Every single person on this board knows the identity of those most likely to not be on the 13-14 roster--they just don't want to talk about it.
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Otule is the one that was saying, "if I choose to play a 6th year."
I would love for him to stay, but he's definitely still in 'if' territory.
Really? I have not seen that. Link?
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What you're seeing is a natural avoidance to what everyone knows is the truth: Whoever averages 4 mpg, 0.4 ppg this year will transfer. Either that or one of our incoming recruits will have an unimpressive senior year and will not enrol.
Every single person on this board knows the identity of those most likely to not be on the 13-14 roster--they just don't want to talk about it.
The identity of the person I think is most likely to not be on the 13-14 roster is not someone that will average 4 mpg or 0.4 ppg. I'd be welling to put a sizable bet that it's someone most people wish would average 25 mpg and 10+ ppg (and definitely has the ability right now to do both).
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Really? I have not seen that. Link?
"I have it available," Otule said. "I can choose to use it. I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm just going to play it out. It is there if I want it. I'm just going to play it out, day by day."
http://m.jsonline.com/more/sports/175100871.htm
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What you're seeing is a natural avoidance to what everyone knows is the truth: Whoever averages 4 mpg, 0.4 ppg this year will transfer. Either that or one of our incoming recruits will have an unimpressive senior year and will not enrol.
Every single person on this board knows the identity of those most likely to not be on the 13-14 roster--they just don't want to talk about it.
I think you are 100% right...
BUT... what's the point in identifying those players? We don't need to pile on those guys.
I'd hate if this board started predicting who is going to suck instead of who is going to be a standout.
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What you're seeing is a natural avoidance to what everyone knows is the truth: Whoever averages 4 mpg, 0.4 ppg this year will transfer. Either that or one of our incoming recruits will have an unimpressive senior year and will not enrol.
Every single person on this board knows the identity of those most likely to not be on the 13-14 roster--they just don't want to talk about it.
Or maybe they don't feel that it's fair to the guys involved to talk about it. We're talking about late teen/ early 20's guys who are on top of the world being a part of a very good Division 1 team suddenly seeing people speculate where everyone can see about whether they will be the ones to fail and then move on or get jettisoned.
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What you're seeing is a natural avoidance to what everyone knows is the truth: Whoever averages 4 mpg, 0.4 ppg this year will transfer. Either that or one of our incoming recruits will have an unimpressive senior year and will not enrol.
Every single person on this board knows the identity of those most likely to not be on the 13-14 roster--they just don't want to talk about it.
Let's examine how the truth that you claim everybody knows regarding transfers meshes with the facts. By my count 7 players have transferred under Buzz. One (McMorrow) due to illness, one (Hazel) due to bad behaivor, two (Maymon and Smith) who were playing but didn't like/fit in with the program and three (Mbao, Williams and Jones) due to playing time/lack of production. That's less than half, and two of those three reportedly also had other issues.
Maybe it's better just to let the season play out and see what happens rather than speculate on stuff that "everybody knows" but that isn't necessarily true.
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I think you are 100% right...
BUT... what's the point in identifying those players? We don't need to pile on those guys.
I agree. If Otule gets another year and wants to come back, he's going to be back. The scholarship issue will be solved elsewhere. We don't have to name the players--but let's stop pretending we don't know how this will be solved..
There. Is. No. Dilemma. Period. End of story.
Or maybe they don't feel that it's fair to the guys involved to talk about it. We're talking about late teen/ early 20's guys who are on top of the world being a part of a very good Division 1 team suddenly seeing people speculate where everyone can see about whether they will be the ones to fail and then move on or get jettisoned.
You know, I almost said that if we actually named the players, someone would hijack the thread and start moralizing about how awful it would be to suggest that a kid would lose his scholarship after a year or two of <5 mpg and <1 ppg stats.
I was wrong. We don't even have to name the players.
So instead, let's all ride off on our unicorns and discuss how super-awesome it would be if this issue is resloved when one of our players grows a money tree this year and picks enough dollars to pay his own way in 2013-14.
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I agree. If Otule gets another year and wants to come back, he's going to be back. The scholarship issue will be solved elsewhere. We don't have to name the players--but let's stop pretending we don't know how this will be solved..
There. Is. No. Dilemma. Period. End of story.
You know, I almost said that if we actually named the players, someone would hijack the thread and start moralizing about how awful it would be to suggest that a kid would lose his scholarship after a year or two of <5 mpg and <1 ppg stats.
I was wrong. We don't even have to name the players.
So instead, let's all ride off on our unicorns and discuss how super-awesome it would be if this issue is resloved when one of our players grows a money tree this year and picks enough dollars to pay his own way in 2013-14.
Mine's an appaloosa.
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Well, what does "requite PT" mean?
Are you talking about injury, or if he doesn't earn enough PT?
The bet can be stupid/friendly. I'm not trying to humiliate anybody, I just think predicting a 2-and-done for this kid is overshooting the mark by quite a bit. A tiny percentage of players make the NBA, and even less are able to do it after 2 years.
Injury mainly, or if he goes to a place like KU or UT and has to sit behind or share minutes with a 5 star one and done type player for a year or two. It happened to Thomas Robinson at KU with the Morris twins, then once he got the necessary PT to show off his considerable skills he was gone. If Embiid has the opportunity to see 20 mpg his freshman year then 30+ his sophomore year I think NBA scouts will be drooling. I understand your point that early entry is rare, but guys with his frame and potential are even rarer.
How about if I win you have to shave your mustache, and if you win I have to finish chewing the cookie?
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Injury mainly, or if he goes to a place like KU or UT and has to sit behind or share minutes with a 5 star one and done type player for a year or two. It happened to Thomas Robinson at KU with the Morris twins, then once he got the necessary PT to show off his considerable skills he was gone. If Embiid has the opportunity to see 20 mpg his freshman year then 30+ his sophomore year I think NBA scouts will be drooling. I understand your point that early entry is rare, but guys with his frame and potential are even rarer.
How about if I win you have to shave your mustache, and if you win I have to finish chewing the cookie?
Well, if he goes to a school and can't find the court because somebody is better, then he probably shouldn't be drafted should he? Robinson is an example, but who knows if he was good enough as a soph. to get drafted.
Anyways, the stakes of the bet are low, so it's all good. Embiid might end up being a very good college player... but calling a 2-and-out is risky business, my friend.
We'll revisit in 2015. I'm sure everybody will be looking forward to that.
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Well, if he goes to a school and can't find the court because somebody is better, then he probably shouldn't be drafted should he? Robinson is an example, but who knows if he was good enough as a soph. to get drafted.
Anyways, the stakes of the bet are low, so it's all good. Embiid might end up being a very good college player... but calling a 2-and-out is risky business, my friend.
We'll revisit in 2015. I'm sure everybody will be looking forward to that.
I already marked it down on my invisible calendar
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Let's examine how the truth that you claim everybody knows regarding transfers meshes with the facts. By my count 7 players have transferred under Buzz. One (McMorrow) due to illness, one (Hazel) due to bad behaivor, two (Maymon and Smith) who were playing but didn't like/fit in with the program and three (Mbao, Williams and Jones) due to playing time/lack of production. That's less than half, and two of those three reportedly also had other issues.
Let's look at your list with some level of honesty.
1. McMorrow didn't leave because of illness. He regained his health, and actually played at Tennessee Tech. MU didn't file an appeal to regain his eligiblity. I suspect they would have if he was a stud in practice and Buzz thought he showed 15 ppg/10 rpg /5 bpg potential.
2. You forgot Roseboro.
3. Hazel's "bad behavior" would have been easily forgiven and he'd have been offered another chance if his last name were the likes of Butler, Hayward, Johnson-Odom, or Crowder.
4. Maymon
5. Smth
6. You forgot Newbill
7. You forgot Durley
8. Mbao
9. Jones
10. Williams.
So, if we're honest, 8 of 10 left because they were either already well down toward the bottom the depth chart (Jones, Mbao, Williams, Hazel) or Buzz perceived that's where they would wind up (Newbill, Durley, McMorrow, Roseboro).
And the other two left of their own accord, mid season.
The record speaks for itself. If we're over the limit at the end of this year, and Buzz needs to make a choice on how to get down to 13, we're going to do it at the bottom of the depth chart, not the top.
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Let's see. This is a thread about Embiid not including MU on his final list of three which means that MU has one less recruit to make room for. Yet, you bring the discussion around to who Marquette will have to cut to make room for JJJ, and you interpret this as me hijacking the thread?
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So instead, let's all ride off on our unicorns and discuss how super-awesome it would be if this issue is resloved when one of our players grows a money tree this year and picks enough dollars to pay his own way in 2013-14.
Better yet, maybe Buzz will adopt someone.
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Jones and Williams didn't leave because they were at the bottom of the depth chart. Neither did Singleton, who you left off your list. Roseboro and Durley left vacant scholarships. We were one under in 2009 and two under this year, so that doesn't really wash. Buzz wanted to reshape the roster when Hazel left, but Cooby proved if you kept your nose clean and busted your ass, you could prove you belonged. Hazel's fault he didn't do that for the new coach. Newbill is really the only case you have added here, though he couldn't transfer as he never made it here.
As far as where Buzz cuts on that depth chart, if it comes to it, the record does speak for itself and the choice is fairly clear, but you don't understand the music.
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Jones and Williams didn't leave because they were at the bottom of the depth chart. Neither did Singleton, who you left off your list. Roseboro and Durley left vacant scholarships. We were one under in 2009 and two under this year, so that doesn't really wash. Buzz wanted to reshape the roster when Hazel left, but Cooby proved if you kept your nose clean and busted your ass, you could prove you belonged. Hazel's fault he didn't do that for the new coach. Newbill is really the only case you have added here, though he couldn't transfer as he never made it here.
As far as where Buzz cuts on that depth chart, if it comes to it, the record does speak for itself and the choice is fairly clear, but you don't understand the music.
I stand by my orignal comment. If we're oversubscribed and need to make room for a 4- or 5-star player like Embiid on the 2013-14 roster, and Otule is healthy and granted an extra year, its going to be the #11 through #13 player on the depth chart or one of the incoming recruits who leave--not Otule.
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I stand by my orignal comment. If we're oversubscribed and need to make room for a 4- or 5-star player like Embiid on the 2013-14 roster, and Otule is healthy and granted an extra year, its going to be the #11 through #13 player on the depth chart or one of the incoming recruits who leave--not Otule.
I don't think you are wrong, but to be fair, one of those guys might be leaving anyways.
Jamail Jones transferred, MU got Lockett. I don't think Buzz told Jamail to leave... at least it doesn't appear that way.
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I stand by my orignal comment. If we're oversubscribed and need to make room for a 4- or 5-star player like Embiid on the 2013-14 roster, and Otule is healthy and granted an extra year, its going to be the #11 through #13 player on the depth chart or one of the incoming recruits who leave--not Otule.
Why do virtually all of your posts attempt to paint MU and Buzz in the worst possible way? If you don't like the way the program is being operated - don't be a "fan," and do everyone a favor and take a hike....I'm sure there are other programs who will operate in a fashion you approve of - such as IU.
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There is no schollie to save as of right now, though. We're one over if Otule comes back and all full if he doesn't.
That assumes that Mayo is going to get reinstated. If he is done with MU, then we are full for next year if Otule returns.
Correct?
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That assumes that Mayo is going to get reinstated. If he is done with MU, then we are full for next year if Otule returns.
Correct?
Correct. There are many variables in play, I just wanted to point out that we are not currently "banking" a scholarship as we have been doing in recent years.
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Why do virtually all of your posts attempt to paint MU and Buzz in the worst possible way? If you don't like the way the program is being operated - don't be a "fan," and do everyone a favor and take a hike....I'm sure there are other programs who will operate in a fashion you approve of - such as IU.
How in the world does this paint Buzz in the worst possible way?
I mean, honestly, he was out there recruiting, trying to get a commitment from Embiid that if successful may have created a situation where we had 14 scholarships offered.
If he had been successful (and nobody qualified for the NBA and Otule as expected gets his waiver), someone on the team would have had to leave.
Can you disagree with any of this?
If not, then *I* wouldn't have created that situation. *Buzz Williams* would have created that situation. So to the extent that you think oversigning paints Buzz in a bad light, It's Buzz himself that did it.
I only wanted to discuss HOW Buzz would have addressed the situation that he tried to create.
Frankly, I don't get what bugs you about this. Every year at every major program the bottom few players leave their programs.
But let's have you on the record--do you want Buzz to stop recruiting because oversigning puts him in the worst possible light?
Because you can't have it both ways--you can't sit here cheer Buzz on to continue to recruit more players unless you're also willing to accept that it may creates a situation where someone has to leave.
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How in the world does this paint Buzz in the worst possible way?
I mean, honestly, he was out there recruiting, trying to get a commitment from Embiid that if successful may have created a situation where we had 14 scholarships offered.
If he had been successful (and nobody qualified for the NBA and Otule as expected gets his waiver), someone on the team would have had to leave.
Can you disagree with any of this?
If not, then *I* wouldn't have created that situation. *Buzz Williams* would have created that situation. So to the extent that you think oversigning paints Buzz in a bad light, It's Buzz himself that did it.
I only wanted to discuss HOW Buzz would have addressed the situation that he tried to create.
Frankly, I don't get what bugs you about this. Every year at every major program the bottom few players leave their programs.
But let's have you on the record--do you want Buzz to stop recruiting because oversigning puts him in the worst possible light?
Because you can't have it both ways--you can't sit here cheer Buzz on to continue to recruit more players unless you're also willing to accept that it may creates a situation where someone has to leave.
Yup. Real talk.
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How in the world does this paint Buzz in the worst possible way?
I mean, honestly, he was out there recruiting, trying to get a commitment from Embiid that if successful may have created a situation where we had 14 scholarships offered.
If he had been successful (and nobody qualified for the NBA and Otule as expected gets his waiver), someone on the team would have had to leave.
Can you disagree with any of this?
If not, then *I* wouldn't have created that situation. *Buzz Williams* would have created that situation. So to the extent that you think oversigning paints Buzz in a bad light, It's Buzz himself that did it.
I only wanted to discuss HOW Buzz would have addressed the situation that he tried to create.
Frankly, I don't get what bugs you about this. Every year at every major program the bottom few players leave their programs.
But let's have you on the record--do you want Buzz to stop recruiting because oversigning puts him in the worst possible light?
Because you can't have it both ways--you can't sit here cheer Buzz on to continue to recruit more players unless you're also willing to accept that it may creates a situation where someone has to leave.
How dare you question Coach Buzz!
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Yup. Real talk.
Sorry, I made the mortal sin of posting beyond the limits of scoop's reality distortion field.
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(http://tommcfeeley.com/content/see-hear-speak-no-evil.jpg)
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Sorry, I made the mortal sin of posting beyond the limits of scoop's reality distortion field.
Now you lost me, but I'll post pictures with you :)
(http://i.imgur.com/meQ2B.jpg)
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That assumes that Mayo is going to get reinstated.
I wouldn't make that assumption. I would be very surprised if he plays another game for MU.
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Sorry, I made the mortal sin of posting beyond the limits of scoop's reality distortion field.
(http://skypoweraz.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/2008-11-03-Elephant-In-The-Room.jpg)
Are they in the Griffin's house?
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How in the world does this paint Buzz in the worst possible way?
I mean, honestly, he was out there recruiting, trying to get a commitment from Embiid that if successful may have created a situation where we had 14 scholarships offered.
If he had been successful (and nobody qualified for the NBA and Otule as expected gets his waiver), someone on the team would have had to leave.
Can you disagree with any of this?
I only wanted to discuss HOW Buzz would have addressed the situation that he tried to create
Frankly, I don't get what bugs you about this. Every year at every major program the bottom few players leave their programs.
Ugh...I think you just answered your own question...and so why are you making a big deal out of Buzz recruiting Embiid? As you wrote, every year at every major program the bottom few players leave their programs. So there...there's your answer...so why are we even having a discussion??
And lastly, I don't think oversigning is a big deal...and you don't see me beating the drum here calling into question the practice...and I don't care if it creates a situation where a player may need to leave...because as you said....it happense very year at every major program. Par for the course...so why are we having the discussion?
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Ugh...I think you just answered your own question...and so why are you making a big deal out of Buzz recruiting Embiid? As you wrote, every year at every major program the bottom few players leave their programs. So there...there's your answer...so why are we even having a discussion??
We're having the dicussion because your notoriously thin skin apparently prohibits having opinions on what might happen if Buzz landed a 14th recruit.
I guess according to you we're allowed to cheer Buzz on and hope he actually lands that 14th recruit--especially if its a 4- or 5-star player. But even though we all know that if 14 players are projected on the roster after Spring Signing, one of them probably isn't going to be back--we can't talk about it.
Is that your view?
Please, if I'm wrong, explain. Because to me, it sounds like you only want to talk about what's good about landing a 5-star, but pretend we don't have to make room for that person on the roster.
And lastly, I don't think oversigning is a big deal...and you don't see me beating the drum here calling into question the practice...and I don't care if it creates a situation where a player may need to leave...because as you said....it happense very year at every major program. Par for the course...so why are we having the discussion?
So am I to believe that you neither care nor have an opinion about who would leave if we were oversigned?
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Well, I was speaking relative to MU basketball but I guess when you put it in perspective it really isn't all that "crushing" in the greater scheme of things. The reason it's such a disappointment though is because of how hard the staff worked to get Embiid and what it would have meant to the program to sign him. I honestly think Embiid could have been a program elevator and he could have help set the foundation for future top big man recruits to come to MU. MU will have another chance at getting one of the bigs from Illinois in 2014 and Stone in 15 but I felt Buzz was so close to the top of the hill with this one only to fall all the way down to the bottom.
On the positive side though, I think this looks good for Otule returning for a 6th year.
People on this board get upset when you describe things as 'Soul crushing.' I made the switch to 'unicorn raping' so that people wouldn't start discussing the philosophical implications of having ones soul crushed.
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We're having the dicussion because your notoriously thin skin apparently prohibits having opinions on what might happen if Buzz landed a 14th recruit.
I guess according to you we're allowed to cheer Buzz on and hope he actually lands that 14th recruit--especially if its a 4- or 5-star player. But even though we all know that if 14 players are projected on the roster after Spring Signing, one of them probably isn't going to be back--we can't talk about it.
Furthermore, if "everyone does it," why would it be putting Buzz in a bad light to point it out?
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Looks like Embiid is heading to Kansas.
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Looks like Embiid is heading to Kansas.
Adidas to Adidas. No shocker
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Adidas to Adidas. No shocker
Are there ramifications for a player/program/coach if a "Nike" kid decides to choose an "Adidas" school?
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Kansas just keeps rolling along every year.
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He said his priority is his development into an NBA prospect and not necessarily playing time. Tough for us to compete with Kansas if that's his mindset.
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Are there ramifications for a player/program/coach if a "Nike" kid decides to choose an "Adidas" school?
Don't know about "ramifications"...but there are correlations: http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2011/09/autumn-sole-stice.html
The NCAA looked at the ramifications of his newly "former" AAU team this summer and found some, however: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-07-05/sports/os-hs-florida-rams-banned-from-aau-20120705_1_ncaa-staffers-current-nba-players-ohio-state
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Embiid made the roster for the Jordan Brand Classic.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8940176/kentucky-wildcats-recruits-lead-jordan-brand-classic-rosters
Would have been a great get to an already loaded class.
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Embiid made the roster for the Jordan Brand Classic.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8940176/kentucky-wildcats-recruits-lead-jordan-brand-classic-rosters
Would have been a great get to an already loaded class.
Would have been an unreal addition to the 2013 crew. I hate thinking about what could have been....
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Thread Bump:
In case anybody is interested, I was COMPLETELY WRONG about Joel Embiid, and I'll be shaving my mustache.
(back to your regularly scheduled offseason bitching).
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Thread Bump:
In case anybody is interested, I was COMPLETELY WRONG about Joel Embiid, and I'll be shaving my mustache.
(back to your regularly scheduled offseason bitching).
Should have bet the "AMMO" tattoo on your shoulder.