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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: brewcity77 on April 19, 2012, 11:06:53 AM
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I thought I'd start a thread detailing what we know about next year's schedule. I will update it as we go. Here's what's known so far:
Non Conference
- Ohio State (N) Nov. 9
- Colgate (H) Nov. 11
- Southeastern Louisiana (H) Nov. 13
- Butler (N) Nov. 19
- North Carolina or Mississippi State (N) Nov. 20
- Texas, Illinois, USC, or Chaminade (N) Nov. 21
- UM-Baltimore County (H) Nov. 26
- Florida (A) Nov. 29
- Wisconsin (H) Dec. 8
- Savannah State (H) Dec. 15
- Green Bay (A) Dec. 19
- LSU (H) Dec. 22
- NC-Central (H) Dec. 29
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Conference
- Home: Connecticut, DePaul, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Providence, Seton Hall, South Florida, Syracuse
- Away: Cincinnati, Georgetown, Louisville, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, St. John’s, Seton Hall, South Florida, and Villanova
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From Twitter:
For those interested in #mubb scheduling conference play will include four repeat opponents. Who do you want to see?
additionally, we've still not learned who are SEC/BE opponent will be. Know for certain it will be a road game. #mubb
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Are we not playing UW-Milwaukee this year?
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Are we not playing UW-Milwaukee this year?
Not yet confirmed. I believe both sides want to continue the series, UW-M wants it to be a 3-1 deal, I think Marquette wants something more like 4-1 or 5-1. Personally, I think it should be a buy game only, but that's dreaming.
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Are we not playing UW-Milwaukee this year?
They haven't worked out a new deal yet.
Personally, I hope it doesn't get renewed. I mean, I enjoy beating them every year and all. But it's way more fun to watch all 12 of their fans get pissy about not playing them.
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The wiki page knows all:
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/2012
Let's keep it that way.
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I'm all for keeping the wiki page updated, but with this we can include twitter updates that won't show up there and discuss the schedule as it is released :)
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Make my day, punk.
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Not yet confirmed. I believe both sides want to continue the series, UW-M wants it to be a 3-1 deal, I think Marquette wants something more like 4-1 or 5-1. Personally, I think it should be a buy game only, but that's dreaming.
I think dates are the hold-up. MU, would be fine with doing a 3-1 with Milwaukee.
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I think dates are the hold-up. MU, would be fine with doing a 3-1 with Milwaukee.
Don't we have a 3-1 with UWGB? I can't imagine we'd desire a more lopsided deal for UWM. They're the same level in my opinion.
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Don't we have a 3-1 with UWGB? I can't imagine we'd desire a more lopsided deal for UWM. They're the same level in my opinion.
I think UWGB should be a buy-only situation as well. Maybe that's just me.
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It's good for the state to have Milwaukee and Green Bay host Wisconsin and Marquette.
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It's good for the state to have Milwaukee and Green Bay host Wisconsin and Marquette.
Why? I truly do not buy that logic. I would be very interested in your facts to support your premise. I doubt they exist.
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It's good for the state to have Milwaukee and Green Bay host Wisconsin and Marquette.
False.
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It's good for the state to have Milwaukee and Green Bay host Wisconsin and Marquette.
I could maybe see a benefit of playing in Green Bay to get more exposure for fans/alumni up there, but MU playing at UWM does nothing for us. Also, we're not a state school like the others, so we don't have the same reasons to do what's "good for the state" like the others do.
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I could maybe see a benefit of playing in Green Bay to get more exposure for fans/alumni up there, but MU playing at UWM does nothing for us. Also, we're not a state school like the others, so we don't have the same reasons to do what's "good for the state" like the others do.
Same here. Would it be "good for the state" for Illinois St. and UIC to host Illinois and DePaul (if DePaul didn't suck)? We have no obligation to the UW-extension schools. Agree with Brew that ideally it would be buy games only.
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Why? I truly do not buy that logic. I would be very interested in your facts to support your premise. I doubt they exist.
Agreed. I would say it's good for UW-Milwaukee and UW-Green Bay to host Wisconsin and Marquette, but how is playing at Milwaukee and at Green Bay good for Marquette? If we win, well, we were expected to and we're little more than a bully beating up on the weaker teams in the state. If we lose, then everyone points and laughs at Marquette. By contrast, we could play a school like Valparaiso, Evansville, Drake, or Western Michigan, not travel much further, get a similar (or possibly better) deal, and it would mean the same from a seeding/RPI standpoint at the end of the season.
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Why? I truly do not buy that logic. I would be very interested in your facts to support your premise. I doubt they exist.
So, you are telling me it's not a cool thing for Milwaukee or Green Bay to host Wisconsin or Marquette.
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I could maybe see a benefit of playing in Green Bay to get more exposure for fans/alumni up there, but MU playing at UWM does nothing for us. Also, we're not a state school like the others, so we don't have the same reasons to do what's "good for the state" like the others do.
Giving recruits in the Fox River Valley a chance to see MU play can't hurt our chances vs UW. Whatever promotes Marquette basketball in Wisconsin elevates our ability to recruit the state.
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Marquette is not a state school, but they do play in the state of Wisconsin. Let's have some solid PR.
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No it is not a cool thing any more than any other horizon league type team.
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So, you are telling me it's not a cool thing for Milwaukee or Green Bay to host Wisconsin or Marquette.
Reread your post. Now you are narrowing it to two cities versus the state? I did not think you had any basis of argument.
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When MU won at Milwaukee, it turned out to be MU's 2nd best road win of the season in terms of RPI.
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Frontrow. What is your reasoning? RPI or "good pr?" I agree with RPI. UWM or UWGB gives us no PR.
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Reread your post. Now you are narrowing it to two cities versus the state? I did not think you had any basis of argument.
I never said I didn't. There is no harm in playing a 3-1.
This everything to lose and nothing to gain to talk, while true, is not a reason not to do it.
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Frontrow. What is your reasoning? RPI or "good pr?" I agree with RPI. UWM or UWGB gives us no PR.
When Tom Crean and Marquette didn't play UWM in the NIT in 2004, it was bad PR for Marquette.
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When MU won at Milwaukee, it turned out to be MU's 2nd best road win of the season in terms of RPI.
So? Most years that would not be the case, and there's probably 5-10 other schools that year that would have fit that bill. Kent State, Valpo, Indiana State, Marshall, Morehead State, all top-100 schools that would have suited just as well without the drawback of "point and laugh at Marquette" if we lost.
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So? Most years that would not be the case, and there's probably 5-10 other schools that year that would have fit that bill. Kent State, Valpo, Indiana State, Marshall, Morehead State, all top-100 schools that would have suited just as well without the drawback of "point and laugh at Marquette" if we lost.
Good point. I guess the simple thing is don't lose.
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When Tom Crean and Marquette didn't play UWM in the NIT in 2004, it was bad PR for Marquette.
Really? Maybe in the immediate short term...but that's about it.
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I never said I didn't. There is no harm in playing a 3-1.
This everything to lose and nothing to gain to talk, while true, is not a reason not to do it.
Last attempt for me as your responses really make no sense to my comments.
In your initial post, you stated "It's good for the state to have Milwaukee and Green Bay host Wisconsin and Marquette"
When I asked for your rationale to support this, as I do not see how the state benefits by that game being played in Milwaukee or Green Bay, your response was "So, you are telling me it's not a cool thing for Milwaukee or Green Bay to host Wisconsin or Marquette.". How that addresses the state is beyond me.
Then when I referred you back to your additional post and asked for your facts, your response became this: "I never said I didn't. There is no harm in playing a 3-1. This everything to lose and nothing to gain to talk, while true, is not a reason not to do it. "
Huh?
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I guess will not understand. ::)
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Sorry for the semi-n00b question but does anyone have an idea of when it'll be available? I don't necessarily care about game times and what channels they're going to be on yet, just the dates (and locations) of teams we're playing. I'm mostly concerned with the non-conference half of the season.
I only ask because a K-State buddy was talking about the KSU/Gonzaga game in December in WA and is trying to get a trip to Seattle planned. I thought it might be fun to do the same for some pre-New Year's MU games.
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MU puts their non-conf part out in early July and the schedule with big East dates comes out around Labor Day.
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Excellent...thank you!
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MU puts their non-conf part out in early July and the schedule with big East dates comes out around Labor Day.
And sometimes with such media savvy they announce it 1 game at a time, causing local stations to break into programming to update Milwaukee on the date and time of MU vs. Coppin State.
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Didn't someone mentioned NC State as a possibility awhile back? Today's New Haven Register said UConn will play NC State at the Jimmy V Classic on Dec. 4.
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Negotiating a neutral site game with tOSU on a ship around 11-11, per Andy Katz. That would be a great get.
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Who have we gotten from the Fox River Valley lately?
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Just saw on IWB's site that Milwaukee has a game scheduled with us for next year. That leaves the Maui pairings, Maui mainland game, and 3 other games as unknowns. My bet is that all three of those are buy games, as we currently have a very tough schedule.
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There are 12 non-conference games total, right? (28 +2 extra for Maui tournament less 18 conference games) Looks like we're going to play 6 of them away from Milwaukee. This is an ambitious schedule, particularly in a semi-rebuilding year. Ony 6 non-con at home seems low. When you consider two of them are LSU and Wisconsin, not a lot of cupcakes this year. Depending on our mirrors, I would expect us to have a very highly ranked schedule.
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There are 12 non-conference games total, right? (28 +2 extra for Maui tournament less 18 conference games) Looks like we're going to play 6 of them away from Milwaukee. This is an ambitious schedule, particularly in a semi-rebuilding year. Ony 6 non-con at home seems low. When you consider two of them are LSU and Wisconsin, not a lot of cupcakes this year. Depending on our mirrors, I would expect us to have a very highly ranked schedule.
If we get 4 games out of Maui (3 on the islands, 1 mainland game) we can play 13 non-conference games. With those three in Maui, Ohio State at a neutral, @ Green Bay, and another road game in the BE/SEC Challenge (Florida or Mizzou?), that leaves 7 at home. Wisconsin, LSU, Milwaukee, the Maui mainland game, then three more likely buy games. That would again give us 16 in the home schedule, 7 non-con and 9 in the Big East.
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If we get 4 games out of Maui (3 on the islands, 1 mainland game) we can play 13 non-conference games. With those three in Maui, Ohio State at a neutral, @ Green Bay, and another road game in the BE/SEC Challenge (Florida or Mizzou?), that leaves 7 at home. Wisconsin, LSU, Milwaukee, the Maui mainland game, then three more likely buy games. That would again give us 16 in the home schedule, 7 non-con and 9 in the Big East.
How are we going to get an extra game out of the Maui Classic? Doesn't the extra game have to come from a team in the tournament? None of those 7 others are going to come to Milwaukee.
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How are we going to get an extra game out of the Maui Classic? Doesn't the extra game have to come from a team in the tournament? None of those 7 others are going to come to Milwaukee.
No, it'll be a mainland team, specifically picked to give the major teams a 4th game. All the major tournaments do that these days. Last year, our home game against Norfolk State was part of the Paradise Jam. The year before, the home games against Bucknell and Green Bay were technically part of the CBI Classic. For the Maui, last year they had Belmont, Middle Tennessee, UNC-Greensboro, and Towson as mainland teams, each of the 7 Maui traveling teams played one of those four in a home game and it was considered part of the Maui tournament for scheduling purposes.
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A depleted Vandy team in the BE-SEC challenge?
Upstart Georgia program?
Revenge match versus a still talent-laden Florida team?
Or Maymon Revisited?
Part of me wants to play TN, and part of me doesn't.
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A depleted Vandy team in the BE-SEC challenge?
Upstart Georgia program?
Revenge match versus a still talent-laden Florida team?
Or Maymon Revisited?
Part of me wants to play TN, and part of me doesn't.
Would like to play Maymon and UT, but if we could get a game vs UK thats what I want.
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Would like to play Maymon and UT, but if we could get a game vs UK thats what I want.
UK is playing Georgetown.
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This is an ambitious schedule, particularly in a semi-rebuilding year.
Buzz doesn't rebuild. He reloads. Best GM in basketball. College or Pro.
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So apparently the UK/GT game fell through, but more importantly, Marquette will be playing at Florida on November 29. Glad it's that day, I can watch it. Doubt the financee would have wanted me ducking out of my own wedding to watch a game. She is very understanding, but that might have been over the line.
Also, as mentioned elsewhere, the UW-M game is off because of the Carrier Classic. I have no problem at all with that. Hopefully the series is off as well, at least any series that would ever involve us going across the street again.
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Just saw this tweet from Mike Broeker:
Quote from Buzz: "Our November is going to be quite a challenge." (okay, i filtered the language a bit). #mubb
He ain't kidding...here's what we know:
11/9 - Ohio State
11/19 - Maui Invitational (Likely Illinois, Mississippi State, USC, or Chaminade)
11/20 - Maui Invitational (Likely Texas or Butler)
11/21 - Maui Invitational (Hopefully UNC)
11/29 - Florida
Between tOSU and Maui, there will likely be 2 home games, if I were to guess, I'd say the home opener on 11/12 or 11/13, that'll be a buy game. Then the Maui Mainland game on 11/15 or 11/16. Those may be switched. If they put a game in between Maui and Florida, that's a likely 8 games in November, leaving a much easier slate for December, with 5 games most likely, though it would include high-majors UW and LSU at home as well as a road game with Green Bay.
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Since I haven't heard anything, I'm assuming we're not taking an international trip despite the option to do so? With that November, why? 10 extra practices and some extra games in August could give us a huge edge.
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Since I haven't heard anything, I'm assuming we're not taking an international trip despite the option to do so? With that November, why? 10 extra practices and some extra games in August could give us a huge edge.
Maybe since coaches can now work with players in the off season (I think?) they view a trip like that as superfluous spending? Or maybe the international budget went to hire Chew?
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He ain't kidding...here's what we know:
11/9 - Ohio State
11/19 - Maui Invitational (Likely Illinois, Mississippi State, USC, or Chaminade)
11/20 - Maui Invitational (Likely Texas or Butler)
11/21 - Maui Invitational (Hopefully UNC)
11/29 - Florida
While I would imagine we split these games in a number of possible ways, this could either send MU sky-rocketing in the early season polls or have MU digging out of a huge hole come BE play.
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Glad the MU-UWM game wil not happen this year. I'm sick of hearing the cry babies on both sides.
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Glad the MU-UWM game wil not happen this year. I'm sick of hearing the cry babies on both sides.
Both sides?
What does MU have to cry about again?
Bad series that I hope never happens under those terms ever again.
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UNC will probably have it so they dont play Chaminade. I really hope we dont get stuck with them in our first game.
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Bad series that I hope never happens under those terms ever again.
Amen. Should be a 4-1 or a buy game. 2-1 is a joke.
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Both sides?
What does MU have to cry about again?
Bad series that I hope never happens under those terms ever again.
You are proving my point. A "bad series". It was 4-1 deal.
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Marquette/Milwaukee really just doesn't make much sense for either side, even though it seems to make sense for both sides. Here's why:
For Marquette: The only positive is extending the nation's longest undefeated streak over a single opponent, currently at 39 and counting. Of course, every time you extend it, the city looks at you like a bully picking on poor little Milwaukee. Marquette becomes the pantomime villain. And for what? A win over a team that has had an average RPI over that period of 133.4? We've had 1 top-100 victory (#93 in 2010) against the Panthers. And going across the street gains us nothing. They couldn't even fill the gym when they finally got the game they wanted. From a recruiting perspective, we gain nothing. There is not a single recruit in the country that will see us in this game that wouldn't see us in any other game we played. And now Milwaukee wants a 2-for-1? So every 3 years we can go play in a smaller gym that doesn't draw and risk the ridicule that would come with a loss (as every bully is ridiculed when they finally fall). There is no win here. If we win, we're the bad guy. If we lose, it's laugh at the bad guy.
For Milwaukee: No one likes losing every year, and that's all they are doing in this series. So besides the loss, what is the positive? Umm...there really is none. It doesn't improve their recruiting ability, and may hinder it in the city because the constant losing only reinforces to local kids that they'd rather be playing at Marquette. People talk about Marquette needing to recruit more locally, but the Panthers don't have a single Milwaukee Metro player on their roster right now. 2 guys from Racine are the most "local". Maybe they won't get the Tokoto or Nolan types, but they might have a better shot at guys like Cinmeon Bowers and Arroyo Edwards if they weren't watching Milwaukee get pounded by Marquette every year. In the next few years the city has strong recruits beyond Burton, Wilson, Looney, and Stone, and Milwaukee might be better served not playing Marquette and reminding those second tier recruits that the Panthers are the city's second-tier program. Further, as a perennial top-150 program, it's not inconceivable that programs like Iowa State, Minnesota, Iowa, DePaul, and maybe even a Purdue or Xavier would agree to a 3-for-1 or 4-for-1. And their local fans actually will show up when you play them at home, because they don't get to see their team as often (unlike Marquette STH's). Further, you expand your recruiting base by allowing kids in neighboring states to see you on a more regular basis. That, along with 1-for-1 deals with other quality mid-majors in the MVC, A-10, or C-USA would be far more valuable to the program than getting bent over by Marquette both at the negotiating table and on the court. Further, continuing a series at 3-for-1 or less doesn't just push you below Marquette (39 and counting...you're already there) but it pushes you below Green Bay who got the 2-for-1 deal. That could hurt recruiting as well as it puts you clearly last of the four D1 teams in the state. Of course, there are completely different reasons for Marquette to play GB 2/1 as opposed to UWM 2/1, but the average fan may not understand that.
It's a lose-lose situation for Marquette, and it's a losing proposition for Milwaukee. I'm of the honest opinion that signing a 6-for-1 deal would be allowing the Panthers too many home games, and that would undoubtedly be a slap in the face for Panther fans. Marquette won't be happy ever going back to the MECCA, Milwaukee fans won't be happy until it's a 1-for-1. Neither will happen, so just end the series.
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You make good points on both sides, brew city.
To be kind've fair to Milwaukee, when they hosted MU, it wasn't the best weekend being on a holiday. Even, UW football didn't sell-out that day and they were playing for the BigTen Title.
I'm fine with MU & Milwaukee not playing. It's less stress on myself.
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Brewcity 77-
You are a schedule follower, like myself. MU said on May 14, that the nc-schedule would be out by the end of May. Why do you think that didn't happen yet?
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Brewcity 77-
You are a schedule follower, like myself. MU said on May 14, that the nc-schedule would be out by the end of May. Why do you think that didn't happen yet?
I don't recall that, usually they release games on a day-by-day basis in July. Last year, most of the games we knew about had been leaked. Both Mount St. Mary's and Northern Colorado were leaked on Twitter, the Paradise Jam had already announced their pairings. The last game leaked was Jacksonville, though we didn't know that until mid-June.
Really, Twitter has let us down. Last year, we knew about MSM and UNCO and also were known to be negotiating with Florida Atlantic thanks to Twitter (they ended up playing WVU instead). MB and company are playing it closer to the vest this year, and apparently getting their NC buy game opponents to do the same. Still, I have to imagine some of our opponents will come out soon.
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Brew .. could you include in your analysis .. the ramifications of playing an RPI team of 133 (for example) versus swapping that game with one of MU's typical cupcakes, RPI 280-320 or so.
And analyze the year we (escaped with) a win at the Cell, which was a road-win, counting as 1.4 wins instead of the usual .6 for home-wins.
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Just saw this tweet from Mike Broeker:
He ain't kidding...here's what we know:
11/9 - Ohio State
11/19 - Maui Invitational (Likely Illinois, Mississippi State, USC, or Chaminade)
You think if we played Illinois after what's happened in the past few days that it might be interesting?
Would be a lot of fun!
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You are proving my point. A "bad series". It was 4-1 deal.
Fair enough then.
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Brew .. could you include in your analysis .. the ramifications of playing an RPI team of 133 (for example) versus swapping that game with one of MU's typical cupcakes, RPI 280-320 or so.
And analyze the year we (escaped with) a win at the Cell, which was a road-win, counting as 1.4 wins instead of the usual .6 for home-wins.
I'm going to sit down and take some time working something up for CS. It'll probably be a few days at least, I want to have it a pretty thorough look at what difference it makes.
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Don't we have a 3-1 with UWGB? I can't imagine we'd desire a more lopsided deal for UWM. They're the same level in my opinion.
And a shorter road trip for MU fans. 8-)
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Brew .. could you include in your analysis .. the ramifications of playing an RPI team of 133 (for example) versus swapping that game with one of MU's typical cupcakes, RPI 280-320 or so.
And analyze the year we (escaped with) a win at the Cell, which was a road-win, counting as 1.4 wins instead of the usual .6 for home-wins.
I did a CS article that addressed the first part. I took four home games from 2010-11 and four from 2011-12 and played the "what if" game in regard to switching them around. If you take our four ugliest buy games from 2010-11 and have them replace our four worst home buy games (also included Norfolk State as we only had 3 true buy games) it would have dropped our RPI from 9 to 11. While it's not a huge difference, among the top teams, every little difference could be the difference between a 2 and a 3, or a 3 and a 4.
It was more noticeable when I replaced the four 2010-11 games with the 2011-12 games. Our RPI of 64 in 2010-11 would have jumped up to 54, which probably would have had us safely off the bubble.
Basically, each attempt at a "tougher" opponent makes a difference of 0.5 - 2.5 RPI slots, depending on where you finish. The higher a team finishes, the harder it is for one game to move the score, but when you're on the bubble, 1 or 2 games on the schedule could easily determine if a team is in or out.
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Glad the MU-UWM game wil not happen this year. I'm sick of hearing the cry babies on both sides.
Did you boycott D1 NCAA games last year?
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Marquette/Milwaukee really just doesn't make much sense for either side, even though it seems to make sense for both sides. Here's why:
For Marquette: The only positive is extending the nation's longest undefeated streak over a single opponent, currently at 39 and counting. Of course, every time you extend it, the city looks at you like a bully picking on poor little Milwaukee. Marquette becomes the pantomime villain. And for what? A win over a team that has had an average RPI over that period of 133.4? We've had 1 top-100 victory (#93 in 2010) against the Panthers. And going across the street gains us nothing. They couldn't even fill the gym when they finally got the game they wanted. From a recruiting perspective, we gain nothing. There is not a single recruit in the country that will see us in this game that wouldn't see us in any other game we played. And now Milwaukee wants a 2-for-1? So every 3 years we can go play in a smaller gym that doesn't draw and risk the ridicule that would come with a loss (as every bully is ridiculed when they finally fall). There is no win here. If we win, we're the bad guy. If we lose, it's laugh at the bad guy.
I thought that Syracuse had a longer streak going against Cornell or someone, and this streak was number two.
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I thought that Syracuse had a longer streak going against Cornell or someone, and this streak was number two.
Syracuse has a longer winning streak, but Cornell has beaten Syracuse in the past. Milwaukee has never beaten Marquette.
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Colgate actually, not Cornell. The all-time series is Syracuse 119-45. They've lost to Colgate more times than we've played UWM.
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Colgate actually, not Cornell. The all-time series is Syracuse 119-45. They've lost to Colgate more times than we've played UWM.
Correct...just read up on it today, and still didn't catch it ;D
It was actually a very competitive series back in the day, but obviously things have changed since the 30s and 40s.
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I don't recall that, usually they release games on a day-by-day basis in July. Last year, most of the games we knew about had been leaked. Both Mount St. Mary's and Northern Colorado were leaked on Twitter, the Paradise Jam had already announced their pairings. The last game leaked was Jacksonville, though we didn't know that until mid-June.
Really, Twitter has let us down. Last year, we knew about MSM and UNCO and also were known to be negotiating with Florida Atlantic thanks to Twitter (they ended up playing WVU instead). MB and company are playing it closer to the vest this year, and apparently getting their NC buy game opponents to do the same. Still, I have to imagine some of our opponents will come out soon.
Correct, MU has put out the nc-schedule day to day in July, but this was on twitter.
It was on MU twitter site on May 14th.
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It was more noticeable when I replaced the four 2010-11 games with the 2011-12 games. Our RPI of 64 in 2010-11 would have jumped up to 54, which probably would have had us safely off the bubble.
An RPI of 54 was still bubble territory. We still had a .500 league record, no quality non-conference wins, and a bad loss to Seton Hall. Teams better than 54 were bubble teams. 54 is not off the bubble.
Frankly, avoidng the bad loss to Seton Hall or beating Louisville on the road would have had a much more significant impact in moving us off the bubble.
And without our road win at UConn and the tournament win vs. WVU in the BET that year, we could have had the #1 non-conference schedule in NCAA and still wouldn't have made the tournament.
And yet, we had that "poor" cupcake selection, a 64 RPI, and STILL made the tournament. Which means that the committee somehow either overlooked who our cupcakes were--or they just didn't care. I'm going with the latter.
Now, if a computer picked the teams and seeded the tournament, maybe playing around with teams at the margins makes sense. But based on their history, the committee is going to favor teams like #67 USC or #64 Marquette over teams iike #35 Harvard or #42 Cleveland State or #43 Missouri State--and I can guarantee you that it wasn't becuase they compared cupcakes.
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An RPI of 54 was still bubble territory. We still had a .500 league record, no quality non-conference wins, and a bad loss to Seton Hall. Teams better than 54 were bubble teams. 54 is not off the bubble.
Frankly, avoidng the bad loss to Seton Hall or beating Louisville on the road would have had a much more significant impact in moving us off the bubble.
And without our road win at UConn and the tournament win vs. WVU in the BET that year, we could have had the #1 non-conference schedule in NCAA and still wouldn't have made the tournament.
And yet, we had that "poor" cupcake selection, a 64 RPI, and STILL made the tournament. Which means that the committee somehow either overlooked who our cupcakes were--or they just didn't care. I'm going with the latter.
Now, if a computer picked the teams and seeded the tournament, maybe playing around with teams at the margins makes sense. But based on their history, the committee is going to favor teams like #67 USC or #64 Marquette over teams iike #35 Harvard or #42 Cleveland State or #43 Missouri State--and I can guarantee you that it wasn't becuase they compared cupcakes.
84, I don't think you understand the concept of "apples to apples". Changing cupcakes is an apples to apples comparison. Playing 4 teams with an average RPI of 227 instead of teams with an average RPI of 328 is an apples to apples comparison. Talking about avoiding the bad loss to SHU or beating Louisville is pie in the sky. If wishes were horses then beggers would ride, and all you can do about games you lost is wish. But changing how you schedule is something you CAN change.
Also, the RPI of a Harvard, CSU, or Missouri State is not equal to ours. The SOS is completely different because of their conference schedule. But our mighty conference schedule still put us on the bubble, and playing better cupcakes is what can separate us from the USCs and Virginia Techs of the world.
We barely got in the dance that year because of our pathetic NCSOS. If it had been stronger, we'd have been far more secure and up a couple seed lines. Granted, winning more games solves a lot, but that's a wish scenario. I live in a real world where I want Marquette to plan for what they can impact, which is playing stronger teams in the non-con. You can't control the bounces of February with anything you do in June, but you can control the strength of the opponent across the floor in November, and that can make the difference between the NCAAs and the NIT.
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I thought that Syracuse had a longer streak going against Cornell or someone, and this streak was number two.
Colgate, aina?
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I don't see it.
Do the comparison blind. Marquette has one last game to fill. Or 8 games to fill, same theory applies:
Team A: RPI 133, 38 game winning streak
Team B: RPI 300, 99 game winning streak
Who should they schedule? Or rather, what's their goal, and which opponent gets MU closer to that goal? Is their only goal to milk a game of revenue out of season ticket holders? No.
Their goal is to do things like improve their resume for March, and tune up for the brutal BE opponents. Oh yeah, and entertain fans, that's always nice.
Team A, Team A, Team A.
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You are a schedule follower, like myself. MU said on May 14, that the nc-schedule would be out by the end of May. Why do you think that didn't happen yet?
Just went back and looked at that tweet:
@muathletics: 12-13 #mubb schedule nearly complete. Unique dates/opponents will begin being released this month. Home schedule features 16 games.
To be fair, they did start releasing "unique dates/opponents" when they gave the Ohio State date as Nov. 9, but I see what you mean. It sounds like they planned to start, but wouldn't surprise me if the tOSU game coming open when it did threw a monkeywrench in that plan. Might have forced them to reschedule a date or two, which would have explained having to cancel Milwaukee this year, and thus put off the announcements.
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Colgate, aina?
I am more of a Crest guy but, you are the expert.
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84, I don't think you understand the concept of "apples to apples". Changing cupcakes is an apples to apples comparison. Playing 4 teams with an average RPI of 227 instead of teams with an average RPI of 328 is an apples to apples comparison. Talking about avoiding the bad loss to SHU or beating Louisville is pie in the sky. If wishes were horses then beggers would ride, and all you can do about games you lost is wish. But changing how you schedule is something you CAN change.
I'm not saying you can't change your mix of cupcakes. I'm saying that changing your cupcakes is irrelevant.
Also, the RPI of a Harvard, CSU, or Missouri State is not equal to ours.
No, the RPI for Harvard, CSU, or Missouri State was much better than ours. No doubt because they played tougher cupcakes,
The SOS is completely different because of their conference schedule. But our mighty conference schedule still put us on the bubble, and playing better cupcakes is what can separate us from the USCs and Virginia Techs of the world.
Then please explain how the RPI for Harvard, CSU or Missouri State is actually calculated. Because I thought it was the same formula for all teams.
And from what I can tell, Harvard, CSU and Missouri State actually DID play tougher cupcakes than we did, having the expected result of improving their RPI--which, according to your theory--should not only have moved them off the bubble, but also moved them up a couple seed lines as well.
We barely got in the dance that year because of our pathetic NCSOS.
Wrong. We barely got in the dance because we were tied for ninth place in a coference (and seeded 11th in the conference tourney) that had never sent more than eight teams to the dance. We barely got in because down the stretch--knowing we were on the bubble--we lost AT HOME to #102 Seton Hall--officially classified by the NCAA as a bad loss.
But I guess, according you you, all that had no impact. It's the cupcakes.
If it had been stronger, we'd have been far more secure and up a couple seed lines. Granted, winning more games solves a lot, but that's a wish scenario. I live in a real world where I want Marquette to plan for what they can impact, which is playing stronger teams in the non-con. You can't control the bounces of February with anything you do in June, but you can control the strength of the opponent across the floor in November, and that can make the difference between the NCAAs and the NIT.
How in the world would we have moved up "a couple of seed lines"? Your hightly touted "improvment" from 64 to 54 would have moved us ahead of only two at-large teams--Clemson and Florida State--and one automatic bid--Gonzaga.
Gonzaga beat us head to head, so I don't see how we would have moved ahead of them on the basis of cupcakes. Florida State beat Duke while we lost--again, hard to make the case that we would have been seeded ahead of them. And Clemson was already seeded behind us, thus lower on the S-curve.
In other words, not only would we NOT have moved up 2 seed lines. We probably woudln't have moved up 2 places on the S-curve!
And you must not have noticed that most of the teams we would have passed in your hypothetical jump from 64 to 54--Boston College, UTEP, Wichita State, Oklahoma State, Virgina Tech and Southern Miss--didn't make the tournament anyway!
And our cupcakes were arguably worse than those of these six teams.
Granted, winning more games solves a lot, but that's a wish scenario. I live in a real world where I want Marquette to plan for what they can impact, which is playing stronger teams in the non-con. You can't control the bounces of February with anything you do in June, but you can control the strength of the opponent across the floor in November, and that can make the difference between the NCAAs and the NIT.
I'd like to hear your explaination as to why your "cupcake optimization theory" would work for Marquette when it failed to generate a 2011 bid for Boston College (zero 300+ cupcakes), UTEP (two 300+ cupcakes), Wichita State (two 300+ cupcakes), Oklahoma State (two 300+ cupcakes), Virgina Tech (one 300+ cupcake), and Southern Miss (one 300+ cupcake)--each of which missed the tourney while Marquette (with a worse overall RPI and four 300+ cupcakes) did receive a bid.
Other than the obvious--which is that the cupcakes count far less than you suggest.
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I'm not saying you can't change your mix of cupcakes. I'm saying that changing your cupcakes is irrelevant.
No, the RPI for Harvard, CSU, or Missouri State was much better than ours. No doubt because they played tougher cupcakes,
Then please explain how the RPI for Harvard, CSU or Missouri State is actually calculated. Because I thought it was the same formula for all teams.
And from what I can tell, Harvard, CSU and Missouri State actually DID play tougher cupcakes than we did, having the expected result of improving their RPI--which, according to your theory--should not only have moved them off the bubble, but also moved them up a couple seed lines as well.
Wrong. We barely got in the dance because we were tied for ninth place in a coference (and seeded 11th in the conference tourney) that had never sent more than eight teams to the dance. We barely got in because down the stretch--knowing we were on the bubble--we lost AT HOME to #102 Seton Hall--officially classified by the NCAA as a bad loss.
But I guess, according you you, all that had no impact. It's the cupcakes.
How in the world would we have moved up "a couple of seed lines"? Your hightly touted "improvment" from 64 to 54 would have moved us ahead of only two at-large teams--Clemson and Florida State--and one automatic bid--Gonzaga.
Gonzaga beat us head to head, so I don't see how we would have moved ahead of them on the basis of cupcakes. Florida State beat Duke while we lost--again, hard to make the case that we would have been seeded ahead of them. And Clemson was already seeded behind us, thus lower on the S-curve.
In other words, not only would we NOT have moved up 2 seed lines. We probably woudln't have moved up 2 places on the S-curve!
And you must not have noticed that most of the teams we would have passed in your hypothetical jump from 64 to 54--Boston College, UTEP, Wichita State, Oklahoma State, Virgina Tech and Southern Miss--didn't make the tournament anyway!
And our cupcakes were arguably worse than those of these six teams.
I'd like to hear your explaination as to why your "cupcake optimization theory" would work for Marquette when it failed to generate a 2011 bid for Boston College (zero 300+ cupcakes), UTEP (two 300+ cupcakes), Wichita State (two 300+ cupcakes), Oklahoma State (two 300+ cupcakes), Virgina Tech (one 300+ cupcake), and Southern Miss (one 300+ cupcake)--each of which missed the tourney while Marquette (with a worse overall RPI and four 300+ cupcakes) did receive a bid.
Other than the obvious--which is that the cupcakes count far less than you suggest.
tl;dr.
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Edited the first post to include the full conference schedule to date. Mirror opponents are Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Seton Hall, and South Florida.
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Two winter Florida games - gods be praised!
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Interesting that Colgate has been added as one of the home games after all the discussion about them. Here's a quick look at both teams.
Colgate
Returning Players: Pat Moore, Mitch Rolls, John Brandenburg, Brandon James
3-Year RPI Average: 297.3
3-Year Kenpom Average: 303.7
2012-13 Outlook: Head coach Matt Langel will hope for a better second year than his debut campaign at Colgate. Quite simply, this is and has been a bad team for awhile. They have some size, and do return two of their top three scorers in Moore and Rolls, but will need Langel's freshman class from last year to grow up in a hurry if they plan to do anything. Probably the most that can be hoped for out of this team is that they keep their RPI out of the 300s. Definitely not the sort of team I was hoping for as the Maui mainland game.
Southeastern Louisiana
Returning Players: Brandon Fortenberry, Roosevelt Johnson, Daron Populist, Antonnio Benton, Jeremy Campbell
3-Year RPI Average: 249.3
3-Year Kenpom Average: 253
2012-13 Outlook: Both 3-year numbers are skewed by last season, when senior guard Brandon Fortenberry was injured just 7 games into the season. But the man who was averaging 17.6 ppg was granted a waiver to play a fifth season and is a Southland Conference POY candidate for 2012-13. I'll tab Fortenberry now as this year's Kyle O'Quinn, an exceptional player for his league and a guy that I can't wait to see Marquette match up with. He'll make a good early-season test for the Marquette defense. Without Fortenberry, Roosevelt Johnson led the Lions in scoring and rebounding. This team returns almost everyone and adds three JUCO players that will be ready to contribute immediately. This team will probably rank low in preseason projections, but could be a top-200 team and challenge for their conference bid in March. Teams like Lamar and UTA are losing their best players, while the Lions are getting theirs back. I like this team quite a bit.
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Marquette announced Savannah State over the weekend. That probably won't get many people excited, but I think it's a huge add. They are a very solid bet to be at least a NIT team, and should be a clear-cut favorite to play in the NCAA Tournament as the auto-bid winner out of the MEAC next year (the same conference that produced Norfolk State).
Savannah State
Returning Players: Rashad Hassan, Deric Rudolph, Arnold Louis, Preston Blackmon, Joshua Montgomery
3-Year RPI Average: 264
3-Year Kenpom Average: 249.3
2012-13 Outlook: What the average numbers don't show is that Savannah State has improved markedly with this class that will now be seniors, from 318 in the RPI as freshmen to 191 last year as juniors and from 309 per Kenpom as freshmen to 173 as juniors. Savannah State finished ahead of Norfolk State in both rankings last year despite losing in the conference tournament. What makes the Tigers interesting is that they start five seniors and all of their bench players will be seniors or juniors as they return literally everyone from last year. Rashad Hassan is a dynamic player that can play inside and out. The real question is if they can beat a top-200 team as they've only beaten one (per kenpom) the previous 3 seasons.
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@Green Bay on Dec.19th.
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I really wish they would just release the schedule already. I'm so antsy
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I really wish they would just release the schedule already. I'm so antsy
Well, this is what they do every year, release it one date at a time. 10/13 non-conference dates are set, 11/13 opponents are known. By Wednesday or Thursday we'll know the entire thing. I've been updating the opening post as they release dates, so this thread will have it all sorted in short order (at least until the Maui bracket is released).
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If history holds, then MU will likely be playing 22nd (three consecutive Saturdays in December). That likely sets up Friday the 28th for their last OOC game, allowing them to open the BE season on Mon Dec 31 or Tue Jan 1.
If that's the case, my guess is cupcake on the 22nd and LSU on the 28th.
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If history holds, then MU will likely be playing 22nd (three consecutive Saturdays in December). That likely sets up Friday the 28th for their last OOC game, allowing them to open the BE season on Mon Dec 31 or Tue Jan 1.
If that's the case, my guess is cupcake on the 22nd and LSU on the 28th.
Marquette said on their press release on July 6, the last non-conference game will be on a Saturday, Dec. 29.
MU, should have 4 Saturday home games in December.
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Too bad we have to wait untill September to get dates for the Big East games.
Maybe MU can host on MLK Day. ;D
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Marquette said on their press release on July 6, the last non-conference game will be on a Saturday, Dec. 29.
MU, should have 4 Saturday home games in December.
Looking like another New Year's Day opener...
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Looking like another New Year's Day opener...
Oh I hope not. I've been still-drunk and exhausted every time they've had those. It's just miserable :(
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Oh I hope not. I've been still-drunk and exhausted every time they've had those. It's just miserable :(
#WhiteWhine
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MU could start on the road Dec. 31 or Jan. 1.
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LSU was announced today as Dec. 22. That gives us 11 spots filled (once we know the Maui pairings) so Marquette can still add 2 more opponents. However, so far they have been releasing them in chronological order. This likely means one of two things:
1) We won't have a full 13-game slate of non-conference games. With Colgate counting as part of Maui, we have room for 13. But we usually have a break around Christmas, so most likely the players won't play again until Dec. 28 or 29, and then open the season as usual on New Year's Day. That really only leaves room for one more non-conference game.
2) We will have 13 non-con games, but one of them will be in the middle of the conference season. We haven't done this much in the past, the last time was in 2007-08 when we closed the regular season with Florida Gulf Coast. Hasn't been aprt of our MO since Buzz took over.
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LSU was announced today as Dec. 22. That gives us 11 spots filled (once we know the Maui pairings) so Marquette can still add 2 more opponents. However, so far they have been releasing them in chronological order. This likely means one of two things:
1) We won't have a full 13-game slate of non-conference games. With Colgate counting as part of Maui, we have room for 13. But we usually have a break around Christmas, so most likely the players won't play again until Dec. 28 or 29, and then open the season as usual on New Year's Day. That really only leaves room for one more non-conference game.
2) We will have 13 non-con games, but one of them will be in the middle of the conference season. We haven't done this much in the past, the last time was in 2007-08 when we closed the regular season with Florida Gulf Coast. Hasn't been aprt of our MO since Buzz took over.
It looks like you forgot to add UMBC Nov. 26 in your original post
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It looks like you forgot to add UMBC Nov. 26 in your original post
I did, thanks for that ;)
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Why are Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Seton Hall and South Florida bold in the first post? Because we play them twice?
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Why are Georgetown, Pittsburgh, Seton Hall and South Florida bold in the first post? Because we play them twice?
Yup :)
And the final non-con game should be released tomorrow.
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When do they typically announce conference dates?
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When do they typically announce conference dates?
End of August or the first week in September.
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Yup :)
And the final non-con game should be released tomorrow.
That last game should be on another Saturday. So, MU will have 4 home Saturday games in the month of December. Should make many folks happy.
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Either a night game on that Friday or Saturday would be great. Already arranging my schedule for basketball season :D
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When MU started this on July 6th, they said the last non-conference is set for Dec. 29th.
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NC Central on Dec. 29th.
Every home in December falls on a Saturday. Should make many folks happy!
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It's good for the state to have Milwaukee and Green Bay host Wisconsin and Marquette.
Would you people please take your cheddar hats off and stop thinking like cheeseheads? Really, now how many people are we going to draw at the Reich Center in Green Bay -- or a UWM Home Game? What's the take-away for Marquette?
We could get a win any number of ways! We could play the Little Sisters of the Poor (watch out for those elbows and rosary beads), the University of West Slobobia or the University of Minnesota Duluth, Grand Marais Extension and get a win. But we're not likely going to heavily recruit in Green Bay, Appleton, West Slobobia or Grand Marais! I've said this many times before but why waste a game on UWM when we can play Illinois, Iowa, North Carolina, UCLA, Texas, etc.
What we're seeing with Buzz is that as we improve, so does our schedule. Let's not cry over spilt Panther or Phoenix and instead recognize the reality that we're not on the same plain as these schools.
For you cheeseheads who think Marquette should play every school in Wisconsin: Civilized society exists south of the Cheddar Curtain! Illinois can be a nice place -- as long as you don't have to pay taxes here! So come see us and realize there is life after Beloit and Pleasant Praire!
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Would you people please take your cheddar hats off and stop thinking like cheeseheads? Really, now how many people are we going to draw at the Reich Center in Green Bay -- or a UWM Home Game? What's the take-away for Marquette?
We could get a win any number of ways! We could play the Little Sisters of the Poor (watch out for those elbows and rosary beads), the University of West Slobobia or the University of Minnesota Duluth, Grand Marais Extension and get a win. But we're not likely going to heavily recruit in Green Bay, Appleton, West Slobobia or Grand Marais! I've said this many times before but why waste a game on UWM when we can play Illinois, Iowa, North Carolina, UCLA, Texas, etc.
What we're seeing with Buzz is that as we improve, so does our schedule. Let's not cry over spilt Panther or Phoenix and instead recognize the reality that we're not on the same plain as these schools.
For you cheeseheads who think Marquette should play every school in Wisconsin: Civilized society exists south of the Cheddar Curtain! Illinois can be a nice place -- as long as you don't have to pay taxes here! So come see us and realize there is life after Beloit and Pleasant Praire!
Cheeseheads will start recognizing there is an entire state below them when Chicagoans do.
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Would you people please take your cheddar hats off and stop thinking like cheeseheads? Really, now how many people are we going to draw at the Reich Center in Green Bay -- or a UWM Home Game? What's the take-away for Marquette?
We could get a win any number of ways! We could play the Little Sisters of the Poor (watch out for those elbows and rosary beads), the University of West Slobobia or the University of Minnesota Duluth, Grand Marais Extension and get a win. But we're not likely going to heavily recruit in Green Bay, Appleton, West Slobobia or Grand Marais! I've said this many times before but why waste a game on UWM when we can play Illinois, Iowa, North Carolina, UCLA, Texas, etc.
What we're seeing with Buzz is that as we improve, so does our schedule. Let's not cry over spilt Panther or Phoenix and instead recognize the reality that we're not on the same plain as these schools.
For you cheeseheads who think Marquette should play every school in Wisconsin: Civilized society exists south of the Cheddar Curtain! Illinois can be a nice place -- as long as you don't have to pay taxes here! So come see us and realize there is life after Beloit and Pleasant Praire!
Dude...don't be a dick. One poster isn't all cheeseheads.
And you do realize you are responding to something that is 3 months old right?
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Dude...don't be a dick. One poster isn't all cheeseheads.
And you do realize you are responding to something that is 3 months old right?
I'm not a cheesehead, because I'm not a NFL or a Packers fan.
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Would you people please take your cheddar hats off and stop thinking like cheeseheads? Really, now how many people are we going to draw at the Reich Center in Green Bay -- or a UWM Home Game? What's the take-away for Marquette?
We could get a win any number of ways! We could play the Little Sisters of the Poor (watch out for those elbows and rosary beads), the University of West Slobobia or the University of Minnesota Duluth, Grand Marais Extension and get a win. But we're not likely going to heavily recruit in Green Bay, Appleton, West Slobobia or Grand Marais! I've said this many times before but why waste a game on UWM when we can play Illinois, Iowa, North Carolina, UCLA, Texas, etc.
What we're seeing with Buzz is that as we improve, so does our schedule. Let's not cry over spilt Panther or Phoenix and instead recognize the reality that we're not on the same plain as these schools.
For you cheeseheads who think Marquette should play every school in Wisconsin: Civilized society exists south of the Cheddar Curtain! Illinois can be a nice place -- as long as you don't have to pay taxes here! So come see us and realize there is life after Beloit and Pleasant Praire!
Your talking two different things in term of MU play Illinois, Iowa or UNC or UCLA. ?-(
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Dude...don't be a dick. One poster isn't all cheeseheads.
And you do realize you are responding to something that is 3 months old right?
South Wayne, for several years on this board, one of the recurring themes has been Marquette making the rounds of Wisconsin schools. We should theoretically play UWM, UW-GB, Madison and God only knows how many members of the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Association. I can hardly wait until we have a home and home series with Superior, River Falls and Stout!
Just what our Top 20 rating needs -- a home and home with Superior! Especially in January!
We are not a Wisconsin school. We are an emerging national basketball power who already has one national championship and three final fours under our belt. We are a national school that happens to be located in Milwaukee, WI. You think Syracuse worries about playing St. Bonaventure or Cornell? I don't. You think Vanderbilt and its fan base worries about playing MTSU, Austin Peay and Tennessee State? I doubt it.
Finally as for us Chicagoans worried about finding something south of Chicago -- well, past Kankakee all that exists is cornfields, a cheating state university, more cornfields and Kentucky. Have I missed anything????
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South Wayne, for several years on this board, one of the recurring themes has been Marquette making the rounds of Wisconsin schools. We should theoretically play UWM, UW-GB, Madison and God only knows how many members of the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Association. I can hardly wait until we have a home and home series with Superior, River Falls and Stout!
Just what our Top 20 rating needs -- a home and home with Superior! Especially in January!
We are not a Wisconsin school. We are an emerging national basketball power who already has one national championship and three final fours under our belt. We are a national school that happens to be located in Milwaukee, WI. You think Syracuse worries about playing St. Bonaventure or Cornell? I don't. You think Vanderbilt and its fan base worries about playing MTSU, Austin Peay and Tennessee State? I doubt it.
Finally as for us Chicagoans worried about finding something south of Chicago -- well, past Kankakee all that exists is cornfields, a cheating state university, more cornfields and Kentucky. Have I missed anything????
It was a "common theme" three months ago; nobody's said anything since.
So you bring a topic back from the dead, complain about how it won't go away, and throw in a pejorative for good measure.... classy.
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I'd say "let it die", but it seems it already died in April. Why you Hoopin'?
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South Wayne, for several years on this board, one of the recurring themes has been Marquette making the rounds of Wisconsin schools. We should theoretically play UWM, UW-GB, Madison and God only knows how many members of the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Association. I can hardly wait until we have a home and home series with Superior, River Falls and Stout!
Just what our Top 20 rating needs -- a home and home with Superior! Especially in January!
Nice strawman you are building there. One person said we should play UWM and UWGB...many argued against him, including native Wisconsinites such as myself, but you decide to revive the topic from three months ago and paint everyone with a broad brush.
Classy.
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South Wayne, for several years on this board, one of the recurring themes has been Marquette making the rounds of Wisconsin schools. We should theoretically play UWM, UW-GB, Madison and God only knows how many members of the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Association. I can hardly wait until we have a home and home series with Superior, River Falls and Stout!
Just what our Top 20 rating needs -- a home and home with Superior! Especially in January!
We are not a Wisconsin school. We are an emerging national basketball power who already has one national championship and three final fours under our belt. We are a national school that happens to be located in Milwaukee, WI. You think Syracuse worries about playing St. Bonaventure or Cornell? I don't. You think Vanderbilt and its fan base worries about playing MTSU, Austin Peay and Tennessee State? I doubt it.
Finally as for us Chicagoans worried about finding something south of Chicago -- well, past Kankakee all that exists is cornfields, a cheating state university, more cornfields and Kentucky. Have I missed anything????
Marquette is not a Wisconsin school. This coming from a guy in Chicago. ::)
I don't care if MU plays Green Bay or Milwaukee. If they do, I like that GB & Milwaukee get home games out of the deal.
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Marquette is not a Wisconsin school. This coming from a guy in Chicago. ::)
We should just set up home-and-homes to play the rest of the in-state competition. You know, Northern Michigan, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Michigan State, and Michigan.
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We should just set up home-and-homes to play the rest of the in-state competition. You know, Northern Michigan, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Michigan State, and Michigan.
Finally, after 7 long years, we can have our revenge on Western Michigan! The Broncos are evil and must be destroyed!
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Dec. 22 & 29, MU will have day games. Bucks play at night.
Wade, should be at the MU game on Dec. 29th.
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Kinda hoping we can get a night game for against our neighbors to the west. Having all day to hydrate allows for a more raucous environment
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Kinda hoping we can get a night game for against our neighbors to the west. Having all day to hydrate allows for a more raucous environment
No Bucks game at the Bradley Center that night. Not sure if the Admirals still have scheduling priority over us. That may have gone away when the Pettits sold the team. A Saturday night would be great.
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The first post now has the complete non-con schedule. While Colgate is a weak mainland team, Maui sets up great from the RPI perspective. If we keep winning, Butler, UNC, and Texas should be the three toughest teams there. That said, we probably drew the only first round team possible that we might lose to, as I feel Butler is much better than Illinois, USC, Mississippi State, or Chaminade. I'm really hoping for that UNC match-up as I love our chances. Losing 4 first round draft picks leaves them inexperienced, while we'll likely be starting three juniors and two seniors.
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The first post now has the complete non-con schedule. While Colgate is a weak mainland team, Maui sets up great from the RPI perspective. If we keep winning, Butler, UNC, and Texas should be the three toughest teams there. That said, we probably drew the only first round team possible that we might lose to, as I feel Butler is much better than Illinois, USC, Mississippi State, or Chaminade. I'm really hoping for that UNC match-up as I love our chances. Losing 4 first round draft picks leaves them inexperienced, while we'll likely be starting three juniors and two seniors.
Not sure how I feel about Butler, RPI-wise. Who your opponents play is a significant factor in your own RPI. Butler now being in the A-10 will be an improvement over their usual Horizon opponents but also may lead to more Dawg losses; Butler's OOC schedule is pretty decent with match-ups against Vandy (A), I-4 (N) & Gonzaga (H), but games with IUPUI, Northwestern, Penn, UNO (aren't they D-III now?), & Elon leave a bit to be desired.
Frankly, even a mediocre Illinois or Miss State team might have a better RPI this year than a good Butler team, or they may not... only time will tell.
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Kinda hoping we can get a night game for against our neighbors to the west. Having all day to hydrate allows for a more raucous environment
Evening game... 5:00 tip.
Plenty of time for afternoon festivities and postgame football spiking.
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It came out today. ESPN2 @ 5PM
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YES!
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Not sure how I feel about Butler, RPI-wise. Who your opponents play is a significant factor in your own RPI. Butler now being in the A-10 will be an improvement over their usual Horizon opponents but also may lead to more Dawg losses; Butler's OOC schedule is pretty decent with match-ups against Vandy (A), I-4 (N) & Gonzaga (H), but games with IUPUI, Northwestern, Penn, UNO (aren't they D-III now?), & Elon leave a bit to be desired.
Frankly, even a mediocre Illinois or Miss State team might have a better RPI this year than a good Butler team, or they may not... only time will tell.
Illinois and Mississippi St will not be NCAA tournament teams. I Think Butler will be, so this is the better team to play for our schedule.
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Illinois and Mississippi St will not be NCAA tournament teams. I Think Butler will be, so this is the better team to play for our schedule.
I assume you're correlating an NCAA at-large bid with a good RPI; if so, you could simply say "I think Butler is a better opponent because Butler will have a better RPI than Miss State and Illinois." I'm not going to disagree with that because I honestly have no clue where these teams' RPI's will come in seven months from now.
However, just saying Butler will make the tournament and MSU and UI won't be in the tournament doesn't necessarily make Butler the better team to play... Butler could have a 90 RPI and get in the tournament as an AQ while MSU and UI could be sitting home with RPI's in the low 50's. In that case, I would have rather played the higher-ranked RPI teams.