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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Skatastrophy on March 20, 2012, 11:16:47 AM
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143490406.html
Edit - This happened in January and there's just now a report about it for some reason.
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just saw this on JS.
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The six who were ticketed by police were Todd Mayo, 20, a freshman guard; Vander Blue, 19, a sophomore guard; Jamail Jones, 19, a sophomore forward; Juan Anderson, 18, a freshman forward; Derrick Wilson, 20, a freshman guard; and Jake Thomas, 20, a junior guard.
All six were ticketed for being in the Apt. 720 Club, 720 N. Milwaukee St., in downtown Milwaukee on Jan. 29. All six are under the age of 21, the legal age for drinking in Wisconsin.
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Hoping that this incident was handled already if it happened near 2 months ago
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haha, who gives a sh!t? OMG 6 guys went to a bar underage in MILWAUKEE!!?!?!? Water under the bridge. Nothing to see here. Move along.
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143490406.html
Crap.
BFD. It happened in January, I'm sure they were disciplined already.
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Who's Don Walker and why is he bringing it up now?
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maybe the suspensions handed out in WV?
probably not but.... I hope no one gets suspended for Thursdays game... damn.
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No biggie. I'm sure coach discussed the matter with them.
Wonder why JS is reporting it now? Wait, I know the answer to that.
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I'd suspend Jake Thomas.
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Wow........It's not like they had alchohol in their system...
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It would seem odd to me that the guys would be suspended or punished for a violation that happened over a month ago. But still, when will our guys learn...
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Raise your hand if you got a ticket for underage drinking or being in a bar underage while at Marquette.
(Avenue Commons' hand raised high).
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Ahh, I didn't see the January date on it.
Why would the reporter wait 2 months to report it?
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This was in January...Why the hell is this being reported now? Get out of here...I think the West Virginia game might not fit with these players. Who was it in that game? Todd second half, DJO first...who else?
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This was in January...Why the hell is this being reported now? Get out of here...I think the West Virginia game might not fit with these players. Who was it in that game? Todd second half, DJO first...who else?
I believe , vander, djo, cadougan and todd were all suspended for halves of that game.
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No biggie. I'm sure coach discussed the matter with them.
Wonder why JS is reporting it now? Wait, I know the answer to that.
To put this in perspective, based on WI's liberal alcohol laws, if any of them had been with their parents they would have been 100% legal to be in a bar/club.
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Raise your hand if you got a ticket for underage drinking or being in a bar underage while at Marquette.
(Avenue Commons' hand raised high).
"being in a bar underage while at Marquette" - this literally began Day 1 at Marquette an continued until age 21.
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Honestly, a $374 fine seems like a joke. I could understand it if they had used fake IDs to get in, but simply walking into a bar as a 20-year-old can cost you almost 400 bucks? I never would have guessed that. Seems like the onus should be on the club, no? Will it be fined for allowing minors to enter?
BTW, the comments on the JS article are hilarious.
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Wow........It's not like they had alchohol in their system...
No kidding. They were probably stunned to see the cop writing out the tickets. "Seriously officer? Coach ain't gonna like this."
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Were they wearing sunglasses?
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Had they been drinking underage, then there probably is some sort of story. As it is, wind sprints for everyone, NEXT ...
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This is irresponsible journalism at its finest! If this article was written within 2 weeks of the incident...then fine maybe you have a story (not much of one though). To do it now? PLEASE!
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This was in January...Why the hell is this being reported now? Get out of here..
Great point..very curious timing. Love the WIHoops fan and other troll at the bottom of blog who commented - Great program Buzz..why can't Vander stay out of trouble. Please...like college basketball and football players at Wisconsin don't go to bars. Give me a freaking break...this is a joke...
Hope Buzz goes off on JS sometime soon...for their seeming witch hunt on MU program...yet to do so really does no good.
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I remember in my MU days seeing Brian Wardle as a Freshman plastered in Murph's.
Water is wet and kids in college drink.
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I believe , vander, djo, cadougan and todd were all suspended for halves of that game.
DJO and Cadougan are both of legal drinking age so I doubt the WV suspensions were related to this.
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Everyone send Don a nice email, just click on his name on the article heading. I just want to see what he says about the timing...this is a joke
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Nt
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And let me add that jsglow and warriorchick are TOTALLY SURE that our Sophomore daughter has NEVER entered an establishment illegally. Ahem....
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Seriously doubt the JS "waited" to report this.
They reported it when they found out about it.
Don't shoot the messenger. And don't look for conspiracy theories.
It's a small story. The JS shouldn't make it bigger than it is, and neither should anyone here.
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Run them untill they puke! ;)
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To put this in perspective, based on WI's liberal alcohol laws, if any of them had been with their parents they would have been 100% legal to be in a bar/club.
Another reason for Buzz to start adopting players.
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I have real issue with the way the JS handled this. First they knew about it starting Feb 29th and we're just reporting it now? Second, yes they are getting tickets, but what in the story says they did anything morally wrong? The establishment just let them walk in and the reports don't dig any further into what the circumstances were and have interviews from the club owners???? What kind of shoddy, half-assed journalism is this?? I think there is value to the story and should be reported, but report all the facts and do some leg work before you trot out this piece of goram
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Writing an email right now to Don...Pathetic
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Raise your hand if you got a ticket for underage drinking or being in a bar underage while at Marquette.
(Avenue Commons' hand raised high).
I got kicked out of the Annex bowling alley for having a beer sitting in front of me while underage. I am sure the security guard didn't appreciate that I claimed to have no wallet or any other identification.
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Seriously doubt the JS "waited" to report this.
They reported it when they found out about it.
Don't shoot the messenger. And don't look for conspiracy theories.
It's a small story. The JS shouldn't make it bigger than it is, and neither should anyone here.
Disagree...the story says JS found out on February 29th, what was Don doing between now and then AND there is no interview with the tavern or employees? Shoddy, lazy reporting AT BEST
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No, the article says that the JS filed an open records request on February 29th, and the MPD released the reports today. BUT, it's really not a newsworthy story.
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Guys, the open records request was made on February 29...they didn't get the information until later.
This really is no big deal unless the incident mentioned later on in the article involved anyone.
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DJO and Cadougan are both of legal drinking age so I doubt the WV suspensions were related to this.
Timing would suggest otherwise plus I could see Buzz suspending them for a leadership failure in taking them to the club when they shouldn't. Along the lines of you should have known better.
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Pretty pathetic that a team's success prompts a "journalist" to start digging for dirt in police records. Stop advertising with this paper, MU...I'll stop reading.
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And let me add that jsglow and warriorchick are TOTALLY SURE that our Sophomore daughter has NEVER entered an establishment illegally. Ahem....
wait... you two are bangin? you gotta run that kinda thing through scoop HR.
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Timing would suggest otherwise plus I could see Buzz suspending them for a leadership failure in taking them to the club when they shouldn't. Along the lines of you should have known better.
D. Wilson, Jones and Anderson weren't suspended at all. I doubt it has one thing to do with WVU suspensions.
Pretty pathetic that a team's success prompts a "journalist" to start digging for dirt in police records. Stop advertising with this paper, MU...I'll stop reading.
Don't be ridiculous. The MJS, like any other paper, routinely makes open records requests of the police at the end of the month. It takes a couple weeks to get the information, and then they report on anything that is newsworthy.
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Seriously, can some of you guys read? The open records request was submitted on 2/29 and the police report release to the JS today.
The question here is why was that open records request submitted? Let's hope this information just happened to be in there, and there isn't more involved.
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I think it would be a bigger deal if these guys were'nt going out and trying to have fun. They are 20 years old trying to have a good time and in Milwaukee bars are normally the venue for that.
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Timing would suggest otherwise plus I could see Buzz suspending them for a leadership failure in taking them to the club when they shouldn't. Along the lines of you should have known better.
If I recall correctly, Anderson played in both halves of the WVU game. No mention of DW, Anderson or Jones being suspended either.
This really rankles me. College students being in a bar. The horrors.
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This article has been added to in the last 15 minutes...The whole part about MU not commenting, and the club owner talking about another incident. I didn't see that the first time I looked at the article.
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Worst spin of the story so far:
https://twitter.com/#!/PAIGER33/statuses/182142877370023936 (https://twitter.com/#!/PAIGER33/statuses/182142877370023936)
Paige Pearson
@PAIGER33
Vander Blue brushes with law again. #MUBB
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Some fine reporting from the quality journalists at KSFY Sioux Falls
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Raise your hand if you got a ticket for underage drinking or being in a bar underage while at Marquette.
(Avenue Commons' hand raised high).
(http://wheelquestions.org/img/layout/raising-hand-S.jpg)
Speak up if you never saw an underage MU player in a bar during your years on campus.
/crickets
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We should disable their RSS feed in protest for this reporting.
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They do not need to be suspended. This is equivalent to getting a traffic ticket.
Buzz should feel no obligation to suspend them.
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So they were in a bar not drinking and they get a $374 ticket? An underage drinking ticket is $276.50---totally not talking from experience ;). Something just doesn't add up there. Who cares if they were at a bar, its the bar's fault they got in not the kids. This is a joke of an issue, if they were drinking I could possibly see why people would get upset.
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MU should be put on retainer
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Worst spin of the story so far:
https://twitter.com/#!/PAIGER33/statuses/182142877370023936 (https://twitter.com/#!/PAIGER33/statuses/182142877370023936)
Paige Pearson
@PAIGER33
Vander Blue brushes with law again. #MUBB
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Some fine reporting from the quality journalists at KSFY Sioux Falls
Somebody should light her up for that. If I was on Twitter I would. What a joke.
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Even Badger fans don't care
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=8828409
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This article has been added to in the last 15 minutes...The whole part about MU not commenting, and the club owner talking about another incident. I didn't see that the first time I looked at the article.
I'm relatively certain that the "other incident" mentioned in the article did not involve MU players, or Donny boy would have lit it up in his reporting.
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I hope MU issues a snarky response eventually, rather than the usual PC cover our ass crap.
The article is just looking for any bad angle on anything... Let's bring up Blue's past incidents, let's talk about another completely unrelated incident at the same bar, let's talk about their liquor license renewal... blah blah blah.
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Sultan, you are correct I misread the timing.
So Don just saw it today, and writes a quick write up that is then posted on the main page of JSOnline with few facts and is constantly updating it with more information, some of which seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the original story? Man do I hate journalism these days, what he couldn't take a day to talk to people and then post something?
Additionally, I agree this is a nothing story....in a vacuum. Obviously MU is not operating in a vacuum for the last two years and this stuff starts to add up, especially with JS slanting things to sell papers/page views.
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+1 sultan on the timing...mea culpa.
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I hope MU issues a snarky response eventually, rather than the usual PC cover our ass crap.
The article is just looking for any bad angle on anything... Let's bring up Blue's past incidents, let's talk about another completely unrelated incident at the same bar, let's talk about their liquor license renewal... blah blah blah.
Let's use a vague (if not intentionally misleading) verb tense in the lead ("Six members of the Marquette men's basketball team have been ticketed for being underage in a downtown Milwaukee club."). Let's make sure to include a reference to the legal drinking age in Wisconsin, even though there's no allegation that they were drinking. Let's fail to mention that there is no allegation that they were drinking.
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Raise your hand if you got a ticket for underage drinking or being in a bar underage while at Marquette.
(Avenue Commons' hand raised high).
Can I raise more than one?
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I never was in a bar while underage at MU. I was legal when I arrived. Sorry. Just can't work up any outrage over this one.
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My son was there when it happened and was surprised, and happy, that it had not been reported. It was after a home game on Saturday afternoon and forgot who we beat. Really is not big deal but unfortunately everyone has camera on phone today. My son sent me a couple of pictures and I thought it was the end of it back then.
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So a quick perusal of Facebook shows this to be quite the happening place...
Marquee Entertainment
Partying with 90 Marquette students at Apartment 720 last night was a BLAST!!!! Kobe Bryant's presence definitely made it unforgettable!!! And here is a video we took last night, for those who enjoyed the night, LIKE IT AND SHARE IT!! Stay tuned for next week's upcoming events!!
For the record, MU was in Philly that night. Looking at the picture, it looks like just about the worst place in the world to me, but I can certainly understand why they would go there! And apparently lots of MU students do the same thing. They get back from Philly and decide to head out...big effin deal!
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So a quick perusal of Facebook shows this to be quite the happening place...
Marquee Entertainment
Partying with 90 Marquette students at Apartment 720 last night was a BLAST!!!! Kobe Bryant's presence definitely made it unforgettable!!! And here is a video we took last night, for those who enjoyed the night, LIKE IT AND SHARE IT!! Stay tuned for next week's upcoming events!!
For the record, MU was in Philly that night. Looking at the picture, it looks like just about the worst place in the world to me, but I can certainly understand why they would go there! And apparently lots of MU students do the same thing. They get back from Philly and decide to head out...big effin deal!
720 is fine. Just buy bottle service to avoid the crush at the bar.
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My son was there when it happened and was surprised, and happy, that it had not been reported. It was after a home game on Saturday afternoon and forgot who we beat. Really is not big deal but unfortunately everyone has camera on phone today. My son sent me a couple of pictures and I thought it was the end of it back then.
Not to nit-pick but this was after an away game at Nova.
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Guess DG was at home icing the knee since he had just injured it and he's the only underage player who wasn't there. A joke that it's even worth reporting as they weren't drinking.
Worst spin of the story so far:
https://twitter.com/#!/PAIGER33/statuses/182142877370023936 (https://twitter.com/#!/PAIGER33/statuses/182142877370023936)
Paige Pearson
@PAIGER33
Vander Blue brushes with law again. #MUBB
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Some fine reporting from the quality journalists at KSFY Sioux Falls
I guess that's why she is where she is. I could stand up now and read a couple news headlines in the office and I'd get more viewers than she does in that media market.
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Let's use a vague (if not intentionally misleading) verb tense in the lead ("Six members of the Marquette men's basketball team have been ticketed for being underage in a downtown Milwaukee club."). Let's make sure to include a reference to the legal drinking age in Wisconsin, even though there's no allegation that they were drinking. Let's fail to mention that there is no allegation that they were drinking.
+1 on everything. Unbelievable. What a hack "journalist."
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That article is terrible... I like how they mention the thing about there being an incident outside that the manager hadnt had the chance to check the tapes. This incident has no mention of who it involves. It could have involved Joe Blow out front, but they threw it in there to imply it revolved around the players. Classy.
this guys tag line is "Don Walker offers news, notes and perspective on the ever-changing sports business landscape in Wisconsin and around the country". If that is truely the case... write an article about how the bar, a business, bends over itself to allow athletes to enter so their everyday clientele can feel special becuase they were in the same place as a ball player. This stuff happens all over the place. I am sure that UW(-)Milwaukee players get into their bars underage. To me, that is is the story- not that underage players were in the bar.
What I dont like the most about these guys being in this club is that, a simple look at their facebook page will show you, their female staff typically wear close to nothing. I dont want to rehash anything that has happened, but we all know it simply takes one individual to yell fire before the program gets put through the wringer. I am not saying that anything like this has or will happened, but when your program and players garner the national attention that a [back to back] trip to the sweet sixteen offers, anything can happen- be it true or not.
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Complete hack job by the writer. I can't believe that they would even post such a stupid piece. They must be pandering to their Badger fan base.
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Guess DG was at home icing the knee since he had just injured it and he's the only underage player who wasn't there. A joke that it's even worth reporting as they weren't drinking.
I guess that's why she is where she is. I could stand up now and read a couple news headlines in the office and I'd get more viewers than she does in that media market.
And lets not give her any more page views by talking about her, because I'm pretty sure that's what she wants since she lives in Sioux Falls, which I'm told recently installed a 56K Modem at the library.
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Let's use a vague (if not intentionally misleading) verb tense in the lead ("Six members of the Marquette men's basketball team have been ticketed for being underage in a downtown Milwaukee club."). Let's make sure to include a reference to the legal drinking age in Wisconsin, even though there's no allegation that they were drinking. Let's fail to mention that there is no allegation that they were drinking.
1. That isn't a vague tense in the least
2. Referencing the legal drinking age is relevant to the story.
Honestly, why is it that a segment of this board ALWAYS finds a way to rip on the reporter whenever a negative story comes out on Marquette basketball?
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Somebody should light her up for that. If I was on Twitter I would. What a joke.
Just sent her a nice response!
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1. That isn't a vague tense in the least
2. Referencing the legal drinking age is relevant to the story.
Honestly, why is it that a segment of this board ALWAYS finds a way to rip on the reporter whenever a negative story comes out on Marquette basketball?
Sultan, you have to admit that NOT pointing out that there are no allegations of actual underage drinking is pretty biased journalism.
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1. That isn't a vague tense in the least
2. Referencing the legal drinking age is relevant to the story.
Honestly, why is it that a segment of this board ALWAYS finds a way to rip on the reporter whenever a negative story comes out on Marquette basketball?
Sultan, I tend to overreact and then come back to even keel on this kind of stuff and I think you tend to start centered. However I think you have to admit there is some shady journalism in this. It may be a reflection of the times we live in, report first, accuracy later, but I don't know. Regardless of it being a bias or simply a new way of media working, can you at least see there is reason to object and push back on the reporting? You have no issue with the way this was reported or the timing?
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We should disable their RSS feed in protest for this reporting.
+100
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My favorite part of the article...
It could not be immediately determined whether the six had been disciplined by the school or the Athletic Department for the alleged violation. The Golden Eagles, a Sweet 16 team this year, will meet Florida at 9:17 p.m. Thursday in Phoenix. The team is scheduled to leave for Phoenix on Tuesday afternoon.
During the season in a February game against West Virginia, team officials announced that Darius Johnson-Odom, Junior Cadougan and Blue would not play in the first half due to an undisclosed violation of team rules. Also, reserve guard Todd Mayo was held out of the second half for a violation of team rules. The suspensions only applied to that game.
It could not be determined if those suspensions were tied to the tavern incident.
Nor is it anybody's damn business!
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My favorite part of the article...
It could not be immediately determined whether the six had been disciplined by the school or the Athletic Department for the alleged violation. The Golden Eagles, a Sweet 16 team this year, will meet Florida at 9:17 p.m. Thursday in Phoenix. The team is scheduled to leave for Phoenix on Tuesday afternoon.
During the season in a February game against West Virginia, team officials announced that Darius Johnson-Odom, Junior Cadougan and Blue would not play in the first half due to an undisclosed violation of team rules. Also, reserve guard Todd Mayo was held out of the second half for a violation of team rules. The suspensions only applied to that game.
It could not be determined if those suspensions were tied to the tavern incident.
Nor is it anybody's damn business!
This is exactly my point.....how's about you determine all of this s#^t and then report on it. Who was gonna scoop you Don???
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Sultan, you have to admit that NOT pointing out that there are no allegations of actual underage drinking is pretty biased journalism.
They also failed to point out that there are no allegations of sexual assault....or beastiality....or random gunplay....
They must be REALLY biased.
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Sultan, I tend to overreact and then come back to even keel on this kind of stuff and I think you tend to start centered. However I think you have to admit there is some shady journalism in this. It may be a reflection of the times we live in, report first, accuracy later, but I don't know. Regardless of it being a bias or simply a new way of media working, can you at least see there is reason to object and push back on the reporting? You have no issue with the way this was reported or the timing?
None. He reported facts when he found out about them. Would I have preferred that the incident not occurred or it simply not be reported? Yes. However, I am not going to attack the messenger.
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Your team has been in the news for off the court incidents often in the last year. Rape or something? I remember reading it but cannot recall the outcome. What is going on up there in Milwaukee?
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6 members of a college team were ticketed. Regardless of where you rank the event, the local newspaper will cover it. (We all know each and every one of Kevin Gullickson's escapades. Does the WSJ hate UW?) And an editor will assign someone to write about it, so stop blaming Don Walker who is probably just happy to have another column so he can pay his mortgage. If you don't want MJS to report on MU players being in bars underage, tell MU players to stay out of bars.
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Your team has been in the news for off the court incidents often in the last year. Rape or something? I remember reading it but cannot recall the outcome. What is going on up there in Milwaukee?
Trolling HARD today I see.
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Your team has been in the news for off the court incidents often in the last year. Rape or something? I remember reading it but cannot recall the outcome. What is going on up there in Milwaukee?
This is actually hilarious considering the track record of Florida athletes not named Tebow.
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Your team has been in the news for off the court incidents often in the last year. Rape or something? I remember reading it but cannot recall the outcome. What is going on up there in Milwaukee?
Considering Urban Meyer had more players arrested than he had wins in Gainesville, you of all people probably should avoid this one.
Remember Teddy Dupay?
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Guys, the open records request was made on February 29...they didn't get the information until later.
This really is no big deal unless the incident mentioned later on in the article involved anyone.
The manager's comment is just damage control. He doesn't want to be in trouble with the liquor control commission. The manager is just laying the ground work for the defense that the club "handled all incidents appropriately and cooperated fully with the investigation."
Move along here....there's nothing to see. This is no worse than if they all got speeding tickets.
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1. That isn't a vague tense in the least
2. Referencing the legal drinking age is relevant to the story.
Honestly, why is it that a segment of this board ALWAYS finds a way to rip on the reporter whenever a negative story comes out on Marquette basketball?
I disagree with you on both counts...and I'm not sure you'll find many (if any) posts of mine criticizing reporters.
Isn't that the present perfect tense? Wouldn't the past tense have been more appropriate? Preferably with some indication of the time frame -- "Six members of the Marquette men's basketball team were ticketed on January 29, 2012 for being underage in a downtown Milwaukee club." The present perfect tense is used when the timing of the action is not important or specified. By definition, this verb tense is vague with respect to timing. I think that in this story, the timing is important. This is the lead. The author knows that many people will read the lead and form their opinion without reading the remainder of the article carefully (if at all). I bet if in mid-April he were to choose to write about Marquette's game against Murray State, he would write, "Marquette won its game against Murray State..." and not "Marquette has won..."
While reference to the drinking age might have been relevant, they were not charged with underage drinking. The author could very easily have stated, "All six were ticketed for being in the Apt. 720 Club, 720 N. Milwaukee St., in downtown Milwaukee on Jan. 29. In Wisconsin, it is illegal for a minor under the age of 21 to be in a licensed club." That would be more relevant because that is what they were charged with.
As I mentioned, I really don't jump on reporters very much just because they write something that can be construed as negative toward Marquette. But this was just a crappy piece of writing. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was just sloppy writing. I'll assume he was incompetent and did not intentionally try to cast the kids/team in a bad light. Unless, of course, someone wants to convince me that he's actually a competent writer. If that's the case, well then...
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This is actually hilarious considering the track record of Florida athletes not named Tebow.
We aren't a Catholic school. We have a football team with many more athletes that can get into trouble. I am not condoning it. We have had issues. Appears that you do as well.
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We aren't a Catholic school. We have a football team with many more athletes that can get into trouble. I am not condoning it. We have had issues. Appears that you do as well.
Defense is holding up well, son... we've had better trolls that this before.
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We aren't a Catholic school. We have a football team with many more athletes that can get into trouble. I am not condoning it. We have had issues. Appears that you do as well.
We've had bad media, but we haven't had any charges brought against any of the kids (except for these tickets). All hearsay at this point.
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They also failed to point out that there are no allegations of sexual assault....or beastiality....or random gunplay....
They must be REALLY biased.
But he didn't bring up sexual assault....or beastiality....or random gunplay. He did bring up underage drinking. Even though there were no allegations of underage drinking.
If he'd mentioned, in his opening paragraphs that it's illegal to carry a concealed weapon in a bar, you can be damn certain I'd have been pissed off since there are no allegations that there were weapons involved.
Sultan, I consider you one of the more reasonable posters on this board and I tend to agree with you most of the time. Just like I apparently agree with you that it's ridiculous how so many on this board have a persecution complex whenever anyone writes anything even remotely critical about Marquette and rush off to send emails, etc. But this is a really crappy piece of journalism that really doesn't deserve the effort you've spent defending it.
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I do not think this is a big deal. However, the West Virginia suspensions included DJO. He is over 21, so he would not have been ticketed. Maybe Buzz suspended him for poor leadership, if he was there.
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But he didn't bring up sexual assault....or beastiality....or random gunplay. He did bring up underage drinking. Even though there were no allegations of underage drinking.
If he'd mentioned, in his opening paragraphs that it's illegal to carry a concealed weapon in a bar, you can be damn certain I'd have been pissed off since there are no allegations that there were weapons involved.
Sultan, I consider you one of the more reasonable posters on this board and I tend to agree with you most of the time. Just like I apparently agree with you that it's ridiculous how so many on this board have a persecution complex whenever anyone writes anything even remotely critical about Marquette and rush off to send emails, etc. But this is a really crappy piece of journalism that really doesn't deserve the effort you've spent defending it.
I understand where you are coming from and am not going to comment on it further.
But just to point out the lack of bias, Walker commented on the second Chadima report the day it was released last Friday.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/investigation-into-chadima-released-a54k4ft-143013505.html
People need to stop the persecution complex.
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We aren't a Catholic school. We have a football team with many more athletes that can get into trouble. I am not condoning it. We have had issues. Appears that you do as well.
Had issues.
Yes, when there is a police blotter website, just for U of F athletes, "had issues", is the term I would use.
http://www.alligatorarmy.com/section/florida-gators-police-blotter
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Had issues.
Yes, when there is a police blotter website, just for U of F athletes, "had issues", is the term I would use.
http://www.alligatorarmy.com/section/florida-gators-police-blotter
As your posters have stated, we are a much larger school that people care about. FSU hates us, Miami hates us so there will be websites that track that sort of stuff. We have and will continue to have some bad apples. For a small, Catholic school like yourself, it is surprising to see so much come up of late. When you consider that few media outlets even pay attention to you and you are little brother to Wisconsin, they probably don't bother digging at all.
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I understand where you are coming from and am not going to comment on it further.
But just to point out the lack of bias, Walker commented on the second Chadima report the day it was released last Friday.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/investigation-into-chadima-released-a54k4ft-143013505.html
People need to stop the persecution complex.
Don goes to most Marquette games. I'm not certain whether he is a season ticket holder, or splits a season, but I do know that he is a fan.
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I understand where you are coming from and am not going to comment on it further.
But just to point out the lack of bias, Walker commented on the second Chadima report the day it was released last Friday.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/investigation-into-chadima-released-a54k4ft-143013505.html
People need to stop the persecution complex.
Notwithstanding the fact that my initial response was to a post where someone was suggesting an intentional slant, I'm not one suggesting an anti-Marquette bias. I honestly do attribute it to sloppy, lazy reporting. Words mean things. He used the wrong words.
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Your team has been in the news for off the court incidents often in the last year. Rape or something? I remember reading it but cannot recall the outcome. What is going on up there in Milwaukee?
I'll make you a deal: unlike some people on this board who have questionable taste and/or judgment, I won't attempt to argue that Marquette has better looking girls than Florida, if you won't attempt to argue that that our off the court/field incidents are worse than yours. Deal?
Should be a fun game Thursday night. I hope we're the ones trolling come Friday morning.
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It's a good thing Don told us about this so soon after it happened.
Surely if Marquette weren't in the tournament this story would still be written.
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This is bullsh-t. Establishment wants business. Years ago I got ticketed. Big deal.
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Please. This is a non-story. Post it any other time except two days before a Sweet Sixteen game and it hardly elicits a sneeze from anyone. I give it one out of five dookies on the distinguished Najeh Davenport Turds In The Hamper scale.
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They also failed to point out that there are no allegations of sexual assault....or beastiality....or random gunplay....
They must be REALLY biased.
JSOnline stopped making those types of FOIA requests right around the time they had their last round of "layoffs." It can't be determined if the two have any connection.
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I'm grateful for any college kid who can get into less trouble than I did way back when.
Of course, given that drinking age was 18 when I was at MU, cops arrested us for NOT being in bars.
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I'm grateful for any college kid who can get into less trouble than I did way back when.
Of course, given that drinking age was 18 when I was at MU, cops arrested us for NOT being in bars.
In related news: Last October 16, several members of the Marquette men's basketball team were observed exiting Coughlin Hall and crossing 16th street while the "Don't Walk" sign was flashing.
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1. The JS, and Don Walker, are doing their job.
2. For all you who've suggested this is minor, pause a moment and think about what Buzz Williams thought about it. Or Larry Williams. Or Fr. Pillarz. Or the kids' parents, who entrust Buzz with their children. Yes, worse things can happen.
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1. The JS, and Don Walker, are doing their job.
2. For all you who've suggested this is minor, pause a moment and think about what Buzz Williams thought about it. Or Larry Williams. Or Fr. Pillarz. Or the kids' parents, who entrust Buzz with their children. Yes, worse things can happen.
I got caught in a bar at MU while underage.
Never occurred to me that my parents might hold Fr. DiUlio responsible. Had I known, I would have made him pay his share of my fine.
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Never occurred to me that my parents might hold Fr. DiUlio responsible. Had I known, I would have made him pay his share of my fine.
DiUlio was too busy changing the nickname and otherwise screwing up the University to have much cared about students.
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what, oh, you saw that?...do a coupe of laps and get down and give me 50, next l
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143490406.html
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I got caught in a bar at MU while underage.
Never occurred to me that my parents might hold Fr. DiUlio responsible. Had I known, I would have made him pay his share of my fine.
Not sure why you want to pick on this statement .. but you read it wrong. I didn't say the parents entrusted Fr. Pilarz.
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Marquette fans think Don sat on the story for 2 months to try to destract from the Sweet 16 game while Badger fans think that the MU administration was able to cover up the story for 2 months. I never realized that Don Walker was such a shifty character. My theory is that MU covered it up for the first month and then once Don got wind of it, he decided to sit on the story knowing that MU would make a run to the Sweet 16 and then he'd come out with the story in order to sabotage the basketball team and put a damper on their sendoff. It's really the only logical conclusion ::)
It's disappointing that MU players got ticketed for being at a club while underage. However, since they weren't drinking and none of them used fake IDs, the bar should be at fault, not the underagers. Basketball players or not, my issue is more with the way the law is written than it is with the way Walker's story is written.
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I think I remember hearing about this. It was mentioned the Lakers were there, but thought there was another team. Maybe the Bucks too. It mentions there was a birthday party and I thought I heard that's why they were there. It's possible they were invited and thought that they were fine as far as getting in.
No matter what it is, as far as things to get riled up about, this isn't really much.
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Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Face it... when it comes to a thug competition, Marquette is about as worthy of the Final Four as DePaul would be in basketball. Especially compared to the perennial favorite we're up against Thursday. We'd get rolled by these guys fo' sho'.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/article/200592/3/AUDIO--GMJ-Exclusive-Arrested-UF-Player-Says-Were-Gonna-Get-Off
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In other news, Michael Hunt isn't stinking up the joint like he used to:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143541656.html
I suppose we have to give him credit for putting the MU matter in perspective and dragging Bucky back into the mud all in one blog.
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Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
+1 That is the appropriate amount of effort to put into responding to this piece of s*** Don Walker wrote. WHAT A SCOOP, DON!
These types of faux-"scandals" remind me of these two clips. If any person would judge someone's conduct on being at a bar while underaged, that person needs the stick removed from his/her ass.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Qh2sWSVRrmo&fs=1&source=uds
http://www.youtube.com/v/kMvW-_pkX3Q&fs=1&source=uds
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Larry Williams, Marquette University's Vice President and Director of Athletics released the following statement:
"We were aware of this incident shortly after it occurred. We cooperated with the Milwaukee Police Department and referred the players involved to the University's Student Conduct System, as would be the case for any Marquette student. Discipline was imposed through the team, the Athletic Department and the university. Since we have dealt with this issue, none of this prevents any of our players from participating in the NCAA tournament. We are looking forward to Thursday's game."
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Couldn't be prouder of the boys.
all the ballers be clubbin. Jordan, Michael.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_07Mp2cl_GCM/RzlUxalOObI/AAAAAAAAADA/W2INH65ycwY/S660/michaeljordan1-727579.jpg)
That said, watch out Larry Williams you may get railroaded by Pilarz like C-ham.
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Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.
Face it... when it comes to a thug competition, Marquette is about as worthy of the Final Four as DePaul would be in basketball. Especially compared to the perennial favorite we're up against Thursday. We'd get rolled by these guys fo' sho'.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/article/200592/3/AUDIO--GMJ-Exclusive-Arrested-UF-Player-Says-Were-Gonna-Get-Off
UF players have been caught rolling around town with AK-47's. No lie.
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Wow! they got ticketed! That's it ? End of story Non-starter in my book.
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This was the "Big Story" leading the 5pm WTMJ newscast a minute ago.
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Caught the end of the Channel 6 report and the banner talked about players ticketed for underage drinking.
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But they didn't get tickets for underage drinking...
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Agreed Stone Cold....you know you have a program when fella's are out on the town. For many years they could go out without being noticed, even in MU gear. These fella's are the talk of the town.
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Raise your hand if you got a ticket for underage drinking or being in a bar underage while at Marquette.
(Avenue Commons' hand raised high).
Back in the day it was near impossible with a drinking age of 18. We were so responsible, I still can't figure out why it changed. ::)
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This was the "Big Story" leading the 5pm WTMJ newscast a minute ago.
This is part of the problem that almost everyone in their defensive cocoon here doesn't want to admit. This incident is very minor. Not worth 10 seconds of thought. The Vander Orange incident was minor, not worth much. Etc, etc. The problem is that because of MU breaking state law last year, every single one of these episodes is going to keep making the airwaves and that has to get the leadership at MU. I'm sure Buzz is annoyed. It's one thing that boys will be boys or students will be students, but he knows that these guys don't always use solid judgment. As a result, these stories make the 5:00pm news, ESPN, talk radio and it makes the guys look like they either don't care or don't have think very hard about their actions.
I feel bad for them because they're just being students at their age. Doing normal student things. They also have to realize that the microscope is on them after what happened last year. It is not fair, but that is the world we live in. I feel mostly for Buzz. He has to be like one of those parents going "are you shatting me?"
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In other news, Michael Hunt isn't stinking up the joint like he used to:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143541656.html
I suppose we have to give him credit for putting the MU matter in perspective and dragging Bucky back into the mud all in one blog.
Someone better get this article and Michael Hunt's email to Gato right away. He said MU broke state law (which they did) but Gato can tell Hunt how wrong he is. ::)
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Someone better get this article and Michael Hunt's email to Gato right away. He said MU broke state law (which they did) but Gato can tell Hunt how wrong he is. ::)
SQUIRMY
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That said, watch out Larry Williams you may get railroaded by Pilarz like C-ham.
C-Ham didn't get railroaded. He developed the policy that violated state law. He was then overseeing the athletic department when athletes came under that policy which again broke state law. He had to go because of his role with crafting the policy. A head had to role, and it was C-hams for obvious reasons. You should notice the policy has since been changed to be in accordance with the state law.
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Agreed Stone Cold....you know you have a program when fella's are out on the town. For many years they could go out without being noticed, even in MU gear. These fella's are the talk of the town.
That's not necessarily a good thing Goose. In Madison that would be fine. If you are Packer in Green Bay, no big deal. If you are a Gator in Gainesville or a Tarheel in Chapel Hill, protection everywhere. The locals and the authority, including the media are going to not stir the pot. When you are a private school surrounded by a lot of haters with cell phones and cameras and Badger allegiances, then you have to be more careful. There are haters over at UWM, haters throughout the city that would do anything to bury MU.
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Whoa, local TV news dropping bombs. Bigger deal than the JS article.
WISN 12 led with the story and ambushed Vander on the sidewalk. He didn't say anything other than "you'll have to talk to coach."
Fox 6 used it as a second story, and say DJO was very drunk, tried to break into a private party, and ended up beating up someone who's planning on becoming a preacher. The preacher didn't press charges because he wants to leave this "in God's hands."
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Whoa, local TV news dropping bombs. Bigger deal than the JS article.
WISN 12 led with the story and ambushed Vander on the sidewalk. He didn't say anything other than "you'll have to talk to coach."
Fox 6 used it as a second story, and say DJO was very drunk, tried to break into a private party, and ended up beating up someone who's planning on becoming a preacher. The preacher didn't press charges because he wants to leave this "in God's hands."
Wonderful
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C-Ham didn't get railroaded. He developed the policy that violated state law. He was then overseeing the athletic department when athletes came under that policy which again broke state law. He had to go because of his role with crafting the policy. A head had to role, and it was C-hams for obvious reasons. You should notice the policy has since been changed to be in accordance with the state law.
I doubt very much the athletic director had a hand in crafting the Dept. of Public Safety's policy for reporting sex crime complaints.
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Whoa, local TV news dropping bombs. Bigger deal than the JS article.
WISN 12 led with the story and ambushed Vander on the sidewalk. He didn't say anything other than "you'll have to talk to coach."
Fox 6 used it as a second story, and say DJO was very drunk, tried to break into a private party, and ended up beating up someone who's planning on becoming a preacher. The preacher didn't press charges because he wants to leave this "in God's hands."
Surely, the crack journalists at the Journal-Sentinel would have investigated this incident fully and known about this possible addendum, no?
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Article on SI.com they just posted on twitter...
MILWAUKEE (AP) -- Marquette coach Buzz Williams confirmed a published report that six Golden Eagles players were ticketed for being in a bar earlier this year despite being not old enough to drink.
Williams said he handled the situation when it happened in January. He did not disclose details of any discipline.
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported Tuesday that the players were ticketed for being in a Milwaukee nightclub on Jan. 29. There was no indication they were drinking.
The players were freshman guard Todd Mayo, sophomore guard Vander Blue, sophomore forward Jamail Jones, freshman forward Juan Anderson, freshman guard Derrick Wilson and junior guard Jake Thomas.
"That was handled on January 29th with our team, that was a Sunday morning," Williams said. "It was handled with our administration on January the 30th."
Marquette faces Florida in an NCAA regional semifinal on Thursday. Given Williams' stance that the team already has dealt with the situation, the players were expected to be available for the game.
In a Feb. 24 game at West Virginia, Darius Johnson-Odom, Junior Cadougan and Blue sat out the first half because of an undisclosed violation of team rules. Mayo sat out the second half for a similar violation. It is not clear if those punishments were related to the bar incident.
The only part of the published report that Williams seemed to question was that the players weren't given tickets until this month, long after the January bar incident.
"That doesn't add up to me," Williams said. "But I'm not in the media, and all I can do is be accountable to our kids. And they've been accountable, and I've been accountable."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/ncaa/mens-tournament/2012/03/20/marquette.tickets.ap/index.html#ixzz1phd6veN5
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F the media. Let's get these boys out to Phx and win a couple of basketball games. Those idiots did not know this happened in spite of the fact that multiple squad cars were called to the scene. This is 99% a non story and only 1% because the fella's involved are on the way to the FF.
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I was hoping there wasn't a fight they were looking for on the video referenced in the story. This story isnt going away any time soon. Hopefully more smoke than fire here. At a minimum, this will once again cast MU in a bad light. As I've said before, all the pontificating and talk about raising good human beings looks a little silly when these guys keep making news off the court, overblown or not. It's too bad, b/c I'm a huge Buzz fan.
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Hunt is absolutely correct about one thing: If the MU players had attended Madison, the school administration would have provided them with liquor and women and they would have had the chance to be propositioned by an associate athletic director.
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I'm sorry I love Milwaukee, but the fact that this either leads off the news or is the second leading story is kind of pathetic. I understand that they represent MU as basketball players, yet as we have repeated they are 18-22 year old kids and this stuff happens. The fight is the dissapointing aspect to me, yet this is being blown out of proportion.
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There was not a fight....stupid behavior at the joint but not a fight. I was surprised this did not leak earlier because of the number of police involved in a minor incident.
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I do find comical that a future preacher is at that club, didn't know that they partied.
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There was not a fight....stupid behavior at the joint but not a fight. I was surprised this did not leak earlier because of the number of police involved in a minor incident.
I know you may not want to explain, but it would be appreciated if you would explain without naming names. It would help clear things up and ease some people who may be assuming the worst.
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I doubt very much the athletic director had a hand in crafting the Dept. of Public Safety's policy for reporting sex crime complaints.
The Athletic Director was the university General Counsel prior to becoming the athletic director. In his position as General Counsel he set the policy for which Public Safety.
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When you are a private school surrounded by a lot of haters with cell phones and cameras and Badger allegiances, then you have to be more careful. There are haters over at UWM, haters throughout the city that would do anything to bury MU.
It was anti-Marquette sentiment that buried the Wisconsin Ave. redevelopment plan in the mid-1990's. That program was called.....wait for it........Avenue Commons.
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SQUIRMY
I would call his comments smarmy, not squirmy.
I harken you back to a different time when Gato, myself, Houston Warrior (another attorney), Pakuni, and the gang were talking about this as a violation of state law.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27360.msg312267#msg312267
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Fox 6 used it as a second story, and say DJO was very drunk, tried to break into a private party, and ended up beating up someone who's planning on becoming a preacher. The preacher didn't press charges because he wants to leave this "in God's hands."
DJO is 6'2" and 222 pounds of fast-twitch muscle fibers. DJO lays wood on someone, and they are pressing charges from their hospital bed. This didn't happen.
This is a non-story that will unfortunately be a distraction. Life in the public eye, boys.
Get a W on Thursday and this is ancient history.
PS: Thanks to Peyton Manning, who I've always liked, from keeping a little local story like this from being a national story during a week where newswriters are dying for stories. We owe you a cold Miller, 18.
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I'm sorry I love Milwaukee, but the fact that this either leads off the news or is the second leading story is kind of pathetic. I understand that they represent MU as basketball players, yet as we have repeated they are 18-22 year old kids and this stuff happens. The fight is the dissapointing aspect to me, yet this is being blown out of proportion.
It's the quantity of events, not the quality of the event. That is what you guys keep ignoring. This stuff goes away how? When our players stop doing stupid things that end up resulting in police activity. It really is that simple. We will need to be out of the news for several years because the media loves to say "it was just 3 months ago when other Marquette players were involved in another episode". That is how news works. We can deny it all we want. We can say the incident is nothing (which it looks to be, though a fight adds a level of doubt) but there are compounding effects in the news.
Incidents, however isolated and minor, will be connected in one fashion or another. You can count on it. Buzz must be losing his mind with some of the behavior. They have to be smarter than this. For their coach and for themselves.
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People in Wisconsin have way too much time on their hands.
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Here is a link to the Fox 6 story. An anonymous source plus the anonymous sources family member. Sort of anonymous squared:
http://fox6now.com/2012/03/20/underage-mu-basketball-players-busted-for-being-in-night-club/
I predict this story has no legs.
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Here is a link to the Fox 6 story. An anonymous source plus the anonymous sources family member. Sort of anonymous squared:
http://fox6now.com/2012/03/20/underage-mu-basketball-players-busted-for-being-in-night-club/
I predict this story has no legs.
That story looks like it was written by a 4th grader. Hard to take seriously.
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I heard Juan Anderson cut off somebody's arm at the bar. Turns out the guy was a piano vituroso with a brilliant career ahead of him. Sad story.
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I like how their headline on the news video is "Underage Drinking Citations"
Serioulsy... wtf... Buzz just looks pissed, I'm pissed for him.
I hope they win this thing or at least get past this weekend and can give a big f-u to Milwaukee media requests.
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I like how their headline on the news video is "Underage Drinking Citations"
Serioulsy... wtf... Buzz just looks pissed, I'm pissed for him.
I hope they win this thing or at least get past this weekend and can give a big f-u to Milwaukee media requests.
A report on underage drinking tickets? Just think if they reported on all the underage drinking tickets from the Milwaukee area High Schools. They might not have time to report on anything else.
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A report on underage drinking tickets? Just think if they reported on all the underage drinking tickets from the Milwaukee area High Schools. They might not have time to report on anything else.
They didn't even get underage drinking tickets! This is a frackin joke.
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Not pressing charges because he wants to become a preacher ... wtf
I can't believe the reporter actually quoted that on air. I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.
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This is absurd that it would be a big deal to anyone. In my time at Marquette I have seen and witnessed plenty of basketball players, other sport athletes at bars that weren't of age. Every single person I knew while in college also attended bars and drank at parties, bars, clubs, etc.
I really don't see the big deal. Yeah I know they are in the public spotlight but they probably just wanted to get out and look at some tail. I would do the same thing if I were a d1 college basketball player.
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Not in Milwaukee so I read both Fox and WISN articles and watched the WISN video. Seems they've updated/edited things since the first post. No mention of underage drinking, just being underage in a club. Also, I didn't see anything about any fight. Plus the SI article seemed none too dubious.
Hopefully the national opinion on this remains a non-story as that's what it appears for the moment to anyone who reads the SI or local Milwaukee articles.
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Looks like Fox 6 took the video down and edited out the part about the "fight."
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Looks like Fox 6 took the video down and edited out the part about the "fight."
How credible.
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Looks like Fox 6 took the video down and edited out the part about the "fight."
Lots of redactions, edits, updates in this "gotta break the story first" journalism era.
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College kids drinking in a bar.....in Milwaukee....WTF! Unbelievable this is a story. I would venture a guess every person who posts here hoisted
more than a few in college.
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All in all it as stupid situation. The boys were there for a girls birthday and a non player did not like the guys being there. He was overprotective ofhis girlfriend and created the problem. Again, I am surprised that this was not in paper or news earlier...an above average number of police were called in.
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All in all it as stupid situation. The boys were there for a girls birthday and a non player did not like the guys being there. He was overprotective ofhis girlfriend and created the problem. Again, I am surprised that this was not in paper or news earlier...an above average number of police were called in.
No punches thrown? No bigger issues than being in the night club?
If so, that is relieving to hear.
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Back in the day, the Milwaukee pd were more than happy to handcuff a student, call the paddy wagon, and feed you baloney and white bread sandwiches till you went to court on
Monday.
Gotta believe nothing happened too serious.
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One thing I'm very happy about in the story is Todd Mayo's math.
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College kids drinking in a bar.....in Milwaukee....WTF! Unbelievable this is a story. I would venture a guess every person who posts here hoisted
more than a few in college.
I agree this alone is pretty much a non-story if indeed there was no MU players involved in a fight, but it is annoying that there has been so much bad press for the program over the last couple years (Newbill, 2 sexual assault allegations, Blue fight, and now this). It would be nice to focus on the team and not have to worry about this type of stuff, especially as the team is preparing for the sweet 16. At some point these guys have to be smarter/Buzz has to enlighten them more about these things.
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My son was there and he flat out said it was blown out of proportion. Biggest issue was that they were allowed to get in, even though obviously underage. If these guys were not basketball players on a FF team it would be non issue. Truthfully with I what I know if one of them were my son I would give them a hard time for being caught underage.
Let's focus on winning four games and keeping Buzz for a long time.
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Real....don't mention paddy wagon when discussing this issue, might be too close to home.
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One thing I'm very happy about in the story is Todd Mayo's math.
Excellent!
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They didn't even get underage drinking tickets! This is a frackin joke.
I know. Shows how poor the reporting is.
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Whoa, local TV news dropping bombs. Bigger deal than the JS article.
WISN 12 led with the story and ambushed Vander on the sidewalk. He didn't say anything other than "you'll have to talk to coach."
Fox 6 used it as a second story, and say DJO was very drunk, tried to break into a private party, and ended up beating up someone who's planning on becoming a preacher. The preacher didn't press charges because he wants to leave this "in God's hands."
Oh, man, thanks for this, I needed a good, long hee-haw. This "story" is a complete f***ing joke. Who reported this for WTMJ, Carl Monday?!
If this kid is a preacher, then I'm a f***ing astronaut. LOL.
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Green Street Hooligans - Journalist Scum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NciyS50RAJ4
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All in all it as stupid situation. The boys were there for a girls birthday and a non player did not like the guys being there. He was overprotective ofhis girlfriend and created the problem. Again, I am surprised that this was not in paper or news earlier...an above average number of police were called in.
1) I found it interesting that the story states, "The report says police received a call around 12:40 a.m. on January 29th." Did someone really call the cops because there were underagers in a bar?! Seems like an issue of jealousy to me (without having all of the facts, of course).
2) Never have a girlfriend when you're in college. Everyone knows that.
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Was that 1 of their 15 free articles per month. The JS can go F themselves!
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There is a possible media bias against MU if they feel the university was not transparent in the past (as media types feel entitled to all internal and public doings)..... But this is ridiculous....college students invited to a private party at a high end night club....get admitted and then cited by the police for being underage at a 21 and above club. Oh the horror and shame on the program! Give me a break. The real shocking story should be that they were NOT drinking like every other college student would be doing in that situation. Headline news????? Wow.
Love the jsonline blog comments.....Suddenly showing up at a nightclub is the equivalent of pillaging the village. I should know better than to read those blogs.
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yaaaaawwwwwwnnn!! Is it Thursday yet?
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Looks like Fox 6 took the video down and edited out the part about the "fight."
How's about a public retraction, if not an apology.
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All in all it as stupid situation. The boys were there for a girls birthday and a non player did not like the guys being there. He was overprotective ofhis girlfriend and created the problem. Again, I am surprised that this was not in paper or news earlier...an above average number of police were called in.
I support our players and our Coach's handling of this situation. While not directly relatable, when I first read of "the fight" I thought of Charles Barkley in Rosie's on Water St. many years ago. Some drunk tough guy thinks he can handle truly tough guy Chuck. Wrong guy to fool with, but Sir Charles did get in some minor trouble after finishing the matter. High profile people can get into trouble sometimes when out in public, especially clubs, without trying for trouble. I mean, who would want to start something with DJO unless they weren't totally rationale. That said, I also agree with Hoopalong that repeated minor incidents need to stop. And I think it is a crock that they all got cited when they were let in by the proprietor, and weren't drinking
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College kids drinking in a bar.....in Milwaukee....WTF! Unbelievable this is a story. I would venture a guess every person who posts here hoisted
more than a few in college.
I was 17 and getting blasted at Angelo's and Big Mouth Frog's. I'd be disappointed in these kids if they weren't out boozing it up
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ZFB got a DC for taking a leak in the alley behind McGillicuddy's in 2002.
Also got a jaywalking ticket at 16th and wells my junior year.
Those were fun to disclose on my secuirites license disclosure. :D
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ZFB got a DC for taking a leak in the alley behind McGillicuddy's in 2002.
Also got a jaywalking ticket at 16th and wells my junior year.
Those were fun to disclose on my secuirites license disclosure. :D
How do you get caught jaywalking?
that's when you start sprinting through the neighborhood. Are they gonna cap you over a jaywalk?
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I'm pretty sure this is the first article about Marquete in the Wisconsin State Journal since the game in December. And it's about the club incident.
http://host.madison.com/sports/college/basketball/men/ncaa-men-s-basketball-marquette-players-already-disciplined-for-bar/article_7e1ad1ec-731b-11e1-b612-0019bb2963f4.html
A holes.
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I'm pretty sure this is the first article about Marquete in the Wisconsin State Journal since the game in December. And it's about the club incident.
http://host.madison.com/sports/college/basketball/men/ncaa-men-s-basketball-marquette-players-already-disciplined-for-bar/article_7e1ad1ec-731b-11e1-b612-0019bb2963f4.html
A holes.
They regularly have scores and stories regarding MU on the 2nd page of the paper.
This is a story, albeit minor.
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While I previously stuck up for the JS for doing their job .. this story is 100% bogus.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143625166.html?page=1
Marquette officials have disclosed that guard Darius Johnson-Odom, who is of legal drinking age, was at Apt. 720 Club, a downtown Milwaukee nightclub, the same night as six of his teammates.
University spokesman Brian Dorrington said Johnson-Odom, 21, was disciplined for a violation of team rules.
"As was the case with the players named with the citations, we cooperated with the Milwaukee Police Department and referred the players involved to the University's Student Conduct System, as would be the case for any Marquette student. Discipline was imposed through the team, the Athletic Department and the university," Dorrington said in an email.
Dorrington did not say what the discipline was, nor did Athletic Director Larry Williams in a statement released Tuesday by the university.
Six players were cited for being under age in the club. The six are Todd Mayo, 20; Vander Blue, 19; Jamail Jones, 19; Juan Anderson, 18; Derrick Wilson, 20; and Jake Thomas, 20.
Here's the earlier story on the incident.
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The more that this story stays out there on JS and local TV the more it pisses me off. I do not think this story was media attention worthy when it happened and still not. As a parent of two college grads and two soon to be college students I do understand kids spread their wings in college. This is a situation to be handled with the kids and their parents first and then athletic department. Think it is sad state of affairs that local media would put a cloud over this team's run at a NC.
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While I previously stuck up for the JS for doing their job .. this story is 100% bogus.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/143625166.html?page=1
Agree completely. I, too, had said that Walker was just writing the facts about a story after he heard them. This follow-up, however, seems like the journalistic equivalent of "I'm not saying. I'm just saying..."
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The part that worries me, because you know it will be overblown, is this:
"Tony Skoufis, who said he was the club's bar manager, told the Journal Sentinel earlier this month that there had been an incident outside the club that night. He said he had not had a chance to check the videotapes to determine what happened.
But he did say police were called and ordered the tavern closed early that night.
"We did that," Skoufis said.
Police have confiscated video at the club but have not released the videos because their investigation is continuing."
I half expect some grainy black and white film to magically come out next Wednesday when the team leaves for the final four. The video will show people people getting mad at each-other and the media will say words like "alcohol ", "assault", "violent" and "anger". Things will be complete when Eugene Kane writes his article on the situation.
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The part that worries me, because you know it will be overblown, is this:
"Tony Skoufis, who said he was the club's bar manager, told the Journal Sentinel earlier this month that there had been an incident outside the club that night. He said he had not had a chance to check the videotapes to determine what happened.
But he did say police were called and ordered the tavern closed early that night.
"We did that," Skoufis said.
Police have confiscated video at the club but have not released the videos because their investigation is continuing."
I half expect some grainy black and white film to magically come out next Wednesday when the team leaves for the final four. The video will show people people getting mad at each-other and the media will say words like "alcohol ", "assault", "violent" and "anger". Things will be complete when Eugene Kane writes his article on the situation.
If they release the tapes then they won't be business for much longer. Tony is smarter than that.
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The article kind of assumes the tapes will be released by the police (to the public? or back to Tony?) once the investigation is complete. Also, I really hope my tax dollars are not investigating this travesty.
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Bill Michaels saying this is the "tip of the iceberg." Being as vague as possible.
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What does this have to do with the "business of sport"?
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Bill Michaels saying this is the "tip of the iceberg." Being as vague as possible.
Who is Bill Michaels?
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Who is Bill Michaels?
Some Milw radio guy. Says there some possible additional legal stuff down the line. He says he is going into in more detail at the bottom of the hour - listen here - sportsradio1250.com
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Some Milw radio guy. Says there some possible additional legal stuff down the line. He says he is going into in more detail at the bottom of the hour - listen here - sportsradio1250.com
cant listen. mind updating us?
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Some Milw radio guy. Says there some possible additional legal stuff down the line. He says he is going into in more detail at the bottom of the hour - listen here - sportsradio1250.com
Interesting that he's talking to Buzz at 1:45 today per MU. He's the type of guy that will try to hammer Buzz on this and I'd like to hear that confrontation. Could get uncomfortable.
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Will not share any rumors on here but have heard a slew of them from reasonable sources over past 24 hours. One in particular is worrisome, but want to hold off judgement. I do think certain guys or team in general have a target on their back and that causes rumors. I hope all the rumors out there are false, but very, very worried.
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cant listen. mind updating us?
Will do.
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Let me save you all the trouble and predict what he will say...DJO was hammered, started a fight, beat the snot put of some guy, continued outside and the cops were called....this would not happen with a Bo Ryan team, Buzz has lost a little control, etc.
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Interesting that he's talking to Buzz at 1:45 today per MU. He's the type of guy that will try to hammer Buzz on this and I'd like to hear that confrontation. Could get uncomfortable.
That interview happened on Monday.
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Will do.
Please don't. These trolls don't need to be fed.
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Will not share any rumors on here but have heard a slew of them from reasonable sources over past 24 hours. One in particular is worrisome, but want to hold off judgement. I do think certain guys or team in general have a target on their back and that causes rumors. I hope all the rumors out there are false, but very, very worried.
Make up your mind. Last night you were talking about your son being there and how it was totally blown out of proportion. Now, you've got all these "rumors" about how it was something worse.
Which is it?
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Rumors have nothing to do with the Jan night...a different situation.
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Rumors have nothing to do with the Jan night...a different situation.
So your rumors have nothing in connection to the thread topic? Something completely different from the 720 incident?
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Will not share any rumors on here but have heard a slew of them from reasonable sources over past 24 hours. One in particular is worrisome, but want to hold off judgement. I do think certain guys or team in general have a target on their back and that causes rumors. I hope all the rumors out there are false, but very, very worried.
Goose, I severely doubt you have any "reasonable sources"...
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Please don't. These trolls don't need to be fed.
+1
Ugh. This s*** again. I think I'll hold out until there's actual fact-based information.
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Let's put it this way...if Bill Michaels is breaking "the story" I am not terribly concerned. If it was something truly bad, someone with a bit more swag would already have it.
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He's getting sooo cocky. Saying they are still working to "confirm" whatever it is they are going to claim. Says "its what journalists used to do."
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He's getting sooo cocky. Saying they are still working to "confirm" whatever it is they are going to claim. Says "its what journalists used to do."
I suspect they are dragging it out trying to keep some listnership for a while.
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He's getting sooo cocky. Saying they are still working to "confirm" whatever it is they are going to claim. Says "its what journalists used to do."
Meaning, they're checking on what they can say without getting sued by Marquette.
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With the Saints news and the Tebow trade, wanna bet he doesnt get to his "breaking news on MU" because of reasons like
"Not good journalism to give out his info"
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I suspect they are dragging it out trying to keep some listnership for a while.
This.
Meaning, they're checking on what they can say without getting sued by Marquette.
And this.
With the Saints news and the Tebow trade, wanna bet he doesnt get to his "breaking news on MU" because of reasons like
"Not good journalism to give out his info"
and this.
If 'it' doesn't already exist on Twitter, this lazy ass doesn't have it.
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He's getting sooo cocky. Saying they are still working to "confirm" whatever it is they are going to claim. Says "its what journalists used to do."
"Journalism" and "sports talk radio" should never be used in the same sentence.
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I tuned in for a few seconds when they where talking about UW and how they had a chance without Fab Mayo playing, turned it off at that moment cause there's no way in hell the man has any idea what he's talking about
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I'm hoping for a Badger loss as much as anyone, but there's always a chance of an upset. Syracuse isn't Kentucky.
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Basically saying there was a fight with DJO being involved. Oh and something about a bottle being used and somebody being taken to a hospital.
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Per Michaels:
Additional information is DJO was there.
Fight broke out, reports are DJO was in an altercation with numerous patrons at the establishment.
Some say other players jumped in, some say players tried to break it up.
A bottle was used to beat a patron. Patron beat up pretty bad.
It was an afterparty after a Bucks game, maybe some Bucks players there but Bucks players not involved.
Supposedly grainy video tape of incident.
Additional witnesses being sought. Ongoing investigation, possible that charges could be brought.
Oh and suppossedly they know more but are refraining due to legal constraints.
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When did this fight supposedly take place? The night they were all ticketed? If so, how in the world is this kept quiet by all involved for almost 2 months?
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Unfortunately, due to other Wisconsin-related news, this story is now a sidebar on Yahoo's front page. Too bad. We'll see if this story can simmer down.
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So wait .... DJO beat someone with a bottle so severely the guy had to be hospitalized, and the cops just sent him on his merry way?
Hmmmm. Something doesn't add up.
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When did this fight supposedly take place? The night they were all ticketed? If so, how in the world is this kept quiet by all involved for almost 2 months?
After what took place just last year, do you really have to ask this?
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With as quickly as video leaked out on the internet of Water St on St Patricks Day and everybody having a cell phone and adding in the fact the Milwaukee St is always over crowded on Saturday nights all I can do is call shenanigans on all of the speculation. There is no way not a peep of this was uttered for over 2 months
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If you want the story, you know, the facts without the spin, here's the AP story:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/17927439/marquettes-williams-confirms-six-players-ticketed-for-being-in-bar
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So wait .... DJO beat someone with a bottle so severely the guy had to be hospitalized, and the cops just sent him on his merry way?
Hmmmm. Something doesn't add up.
Thank you. My thoughts exactly.
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After what took place just last year, do you really have to ask this?
Yes, because if it was at a nightclub full of people who have no association with MU, how does everyone stay quiet? What's their incentive? In today's twitter and facebook social media obsession, I would be shocked if something like that stayed quiet for more than 2 hours, let alone almost 2 months.
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Some commenter on jsonline is claiming he was there and it was all started by the UW-Madison players. Obviously take that with a grain of salt, but could make things very interesting.
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With as quickly as video leaked out on the internet of Water St on St Patricks Day and everybody having a cell phone and adding in the fact the Milwaukee St is always over crowded on Saturday nights all I can do is call shenanigans on all of the speculation. There is no way not a peep of this was uttered for over 2 months
There were some "peeps" about a fight at a bar after the WV suspensions were handed out, but even that was nearly a month after the incident.
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True there were some rumblings to that but with the setting involved it doesn't add up for me. If this had happened at a Dousman corner bar it would've been front page news immediately
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And to add to my last post, look how quickly word got out on Torre Johnson for his bar problems and the world was not as connected socially back then. Amazing how the technology has changed in such a short time
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True there were some rumblings to that but with the setting involved it doesn't add up for me. If this had happened at a Dousman corner bar it would've been front page news immediately
I don't buy that story for a second, but doesnt seem too far fetched that they would go there, given Kobe and half the Lakers were there the previous night. Obviously a fairly hatnen spot.
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I'm so disappointed in DJO. I don't know if he was involved in the alleged sexual assault because I never heard the names but he was with Vander when he got into his incident and didn't stop him, then got suspended for the Northern Colorado game, then this and he got suspended for a half against West Virginia (I don't know if they are related). Not only is he an upperclassmen, he has a chance to be drafted and play in the NBA. For him to continually put himself in these situations is just sad. I love the leadership he's shown on the court but he's been the exact opposite off of it.
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Something on the other board about a knife being pulled on DJO, our players acting in self-defense
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The tickets are the end of this incident, all other reports are false.
Case closed.
I'm not joking (or guessing).
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A ten page thread on this non-issue? PLEASE move onto Thursday's game and Wilson's signing.......
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Lets kick some serious ass in PHX!!!! Time for talking ball.
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Hope you are right! And I hope the hack Bill Micheals shuts the hell up...
The tickets are the end of this incident, all other reports are false.
Case closed.
I'm not joking (or guessing).
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The tickets are the end of this incident, all other reports are false.
Case closed.
+10000000000000000000000
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I'm so disappointed in DJO. I don't know if he was involved in the alleged sexual assault because I never heard the names but he was with Vander when he got into his incident and didn't stop him, then got suspended for the Northern Colorado game, then this and he got suspended for a half against West Virginia (I don't know if they are related). Not only is he an upperclassmen, he has a chance to be drafted and play in the NBA. For him to continually put himself in these situations is just sad. I love the leadership he's shown on the court but he's been the exact opposite off of it.
Meh. I am far from an insider, but I heard about this incident the day after it happened. What I heard is that some dude at the club got mad at DJO for taking a drink off of a table that was not his. A small argument ensued, and then DJO got sucker punched. And, as any normal human being would do, he reacted to be being sucker punched and things slightly escalated from there. I don't think this is that big of a deal at all...sh!t gets blown out of proportion of this site.
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I'm so disappointed in DJO. I don't know if he was involved in the alleged sexual assault because I never heard the names but he was with Vander when he got into his incident and didn't stop him, then got suspended for the Northern Colorado game, then this and he got suspended for a half against West Virginia (I don't know if they are related). Not only is he an upperclassmen, he has a chance to be drafted and play in the NBA. For him to continually put himself in these situations is just sad. I love the leadership he's shown on the court but he's been the exact opposite off of it.
Just read this post, and imagined it being narrated to me by Droopy Dog. Thanks for the laugh, Droopy.
(http://funniespet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cute-droopy-dog.jpg)
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Meh. I am far from an insider, but I heard about this incident the day after it happened. What I heard is that some dude at the club got mad at DJO for taking a drink off of a table that was not his. A small argument ensued, and then DJO got sucker punched. And, as any normal human being would do, he reacted to be being sucker punched and things slightly escalated from there. I don't think this is that big of a deal at all...sh!t gets blown out of proportion of this site.
If that's the case that's good and to clarify I don't think this is a big deal. I understand there's many drunk people who have jealousy of their situation and don't like the attention they're getting when they're at a bar. However, I do think he's been involved in enough incidents to make me think he's not acting the way a senior leader should off the court.
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Check out this headline. Apparently ESPN is in on the conspiracy too!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7715146/marquette-golden-eagles-coach-buzz-williams-acknowledges-player-citations (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7715146/marquette-golden-eagles-coach-buzz-williams-acknowledges-player-citations)
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Check out this headline. Apparently ESPN is in on the conspiracy too!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7715146/marquette-golden-eagles-coach-buzz-williams-acknowledges-player-citations (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7715146/marquette-golden-eagles-coach-buzz-williams-acknowledges-player-citations)
Headline: "6 Marquette players cited for drinking" Text: "There was no indication they were drinking."
Excellent work by the AP.
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Just read this post, and imagined it being narrated to me by Droopy Dog. Thanks for the laugh, Droopy.
(http://funniespet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/cute-droopy-dog.jpg)
i'd love to hear Droopy say "sexual assault"
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Headline: "6 Marquette players cited for drinking" Text: "There was no indication they were drinking."
Excellent work by the AP.
In fairness to the AP, they don't write headlines for ESPN's web site.
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In fairness to the AP, they don't write headlines for ESPN's web site.
Oops. Meant to say excellent work by ESPN. My bad - typing fast at work.
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So after 2 months, how's Bill Michaels doing on the additional facts that were going to come out about this story? The things he knew but couldn't talk about because the investigation was ongoing. That investigation still ongoing?
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So after 2 months, how's Bill Michaels doing on the additional facts that were going to come out about this story? The things he knew but couldn't talk about because the investigation was ongoing. That investigation still ongoing?
The additional fact is that Bill Michaels is a PENIS.
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So after 2 months, how's Bill Michaels doing on the additional facts that were going to come out about this story? The things he knew but couldn't talk about because the investigation was ongoing. That investigation still ongoing?
Perhaps Bill Michaels found something in the investigation involving a certain OSU alum who did something much worse and is now being paid off by Urban Meyer to keep it a secret.
Meh... this hat isn't all it's cracked up to be. Might as well try to recycle the foil.
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The additional fact is that Bill Michaels is a PENIS.
With no balls, according to "unnamed sources."
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With no balls, according to "unnamed sources."
does he have a vageeeena then? ;D