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Title: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 16, 2011, 05:43:12 PM
I feel like this game deserves its own thread.  For the first time since December 14, 1941 (seven days after Pearl Harbor was bombed), the Bears and Packers will play each other in the playoffs with the winner going to the Super Bowl.

The bragging rights in this game cannot be matched!

I added a poll as well so you can vote on who will win.

With all that being said, Go Bears!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 16, 2011, 05:57:37 PM
Early lines are favoring Pack by 3.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 16, 2011, 06:03:46 PM
Dom Capers has brought the pack to championship caliber.

Mike Martz has brought the bears to championship caliber.


Should be a hell of a game.  TO's and special teams will probably play a big role.  Bears spec. teams might put them ahead in my book.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 16, 2011, 06:10:30 PM
Dom Capers has brought the pack to championship caliber.

Mike Martz has brought the bears to championship caliber.


Should be a hell of a game.  TO's and special teams will probably play a big role.  Bears spec. teams might put them ahead in my book.

No one's kicking to Hester.

Bears Run O >> Pack Run O
Bears Pass O << Pack Run O
Bears Pass D << Pack Run D
Bears Run D > Pack Run D
Bears ST >> Pack ST

Coaching, wash. Unless Martz goes crazy, possible.

It's a good matchup, and I hate the craptastic field conditions at Soldier. NFL needs to step into this situation in the offseason.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 16, 2011, 06:12:03 PM
I don't see how anybody can't believe that this won't be a toss up game that could go either way.  Neither team wins by more than a TD.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 16, 2011, 06:24:15 PM
Is it Sunday yet?  With the Pats crapting the bed I like the chances for the winner to take it all.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 16, 2011, 07:05:03 PM
Is it Sunday yet?  With the Pats crapting the bed I like the chances for the winner to take it all.

+1
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MUSig54 on January 16, 2011, 07:07:47 PM
What happened the last time the pack rolled into Soldier Field?

11 penalties? You gotta be joking me. Who could ever caus..Peppers? Yeah he is a god damn Monster.

Bears 34
People who have to unfortunately live in WI 27
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on January 16, 2011, 07:13:03 PM
bears go as far as jay cutler wants to take them.  he played very well today.  threw some balls away even.  If martz can stick to a balanced attack and not fall in love with the pass, the bears will move the ball and put up enough points to win.  24-20 bears.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: muarmy81 on January 16, 2011, 07:17:17 PM
I think this game is a toss up...both teams are playing well and with the Pats loosing today I agree that the NFC winner is in a strong position to win it all.  If Cutler doesn't get forced into turnovers the bears win.  If the Pack gets at least 1 interception and can run the ball I think they win.

Either way, it should be a great game.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 16, 2011, 07:51:27 PM
Its really cool that they are playing in this game. Obviously, a few months ago, the Bears were not expected to be anywhere near this game. The Packers were, but the way the were besieged by injuries, the way they were able to cobble things together and get there, is equally remarkable. I think the Packers are probably better, but its anybody's game. Dom Capers appears to be in the zone, and I like the Packers chances with him going up against Cutler, but you just never know. A turnover here, or a big play there...If the Packers can keep Hester from having an impact, I would say they should win the game (Just as New England should have beaten the Jets).
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Moonboots on January 16, 2011, 07:52:03 PM
What happened the last time the pack rolled into Soldier Field?

11 penalties? You gotta be joking me. Who could ever caus..Peppers? Yeah he is a god damn Monster.

Bears 34
People who have to unfortunately live in WI 27

Ha. This guy.

First of all, it was 18 penalties, and 3 of them wiped out bad Cutler turnovers. Not anticipating him being so lucky this time.

Playoffs come down to winning the turnover battle, special teams, and QB play. I wouldn't look for McCarthy to let Hester get near anything, but if we make a mistake in that area of the game, it's the one area I'm legitimately afraid of.

I'm going to make it even simpler than that. The best player on the field will be in a white #12 jersey next Sunday, and he's so far on another level that I can't see him losing right now.  Still, divisional games are hard fought, and when the Super Bowl is at stake, the intensity will go up another hundred levels. Pack by a TD on the road.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 16, 2011, 08:15:00 PM
I'm going to make it even simpler than that. The best player on the field will be in a white #12 jersey next Sunday, and he's so far on another level that I can't see him losing right now.  Still, divisional games are hard fought, and when the Super Bowl is at stake, the intensity will go up another hundred levels. Pack by a TD on the road.


Yeah, Rodgers has had two rather average games against the Bears this year.  The Bears defense isn't Atlanta...by a long shot.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 16, 2011, 09:19:02 PM
I agree with that.  Our receivers aren't as good as Atlanta made them look.   Should be a dog fight.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 16, 2011, 10:57:28 PM
I'm pretty certain the Bears reporter on Fox just recommended giving Rodgers a little "something extra" when he's down to see if they can't induce a third concussion...you stay classy Chicago.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Josey Wales on January 16, 2011, 11:37:46 PM

Yeah, Rodgers has had two rather average games against the Bears this year.  The Bears defense isn't Atlanta...by a long shot.

Ya, and the Pack's offense isn's Seattle's...by a long shot. Seattle dropped 24 by the way.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: JWags85 on January 17, 2011, 02:16:59 AM
Ya, and the Pack's offense isn's Seattle's...by a long shot. Seattle dropped 24 by the way.

14 of which were in the last 5 min when the game had been over for more than 15.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Plaque Lives Matter! on January 17, 2011, 03:08:46 AM
14 of which were in the last 5 min when the game had been over for more than 15.

+1

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Josey Wales on January 17, 2011, 04:40:07 AM
14 of which were in the last 5 min when the game had been over for more than 15.

I was in response to the people predicting the outcome of next week based solely on past scores. Example: the guy claiming that the bears will win because the Packers has "11" penalties last time? Give me a break, why is this conclusive? Or, the guy claiming that the packers will not score a lot because the bears defense is better than Atlanta's? Look at the Monday night Jets/Pats game... then yesterdays Jets/Pats game. Those past scores are obviously meaningless.

My point is... you cannot base any sort of future predictions based on these past scores. It is pointless. This will be a great game.... most likely a tossup at the Bears bedpan of a stadium*. In a dome or at Lambeau I would say Packers win, but at Soldier field it will definitely be close.

I only hope the Bears players are as cocky as the Bears fans are...

I love how much pressure is on this game, it's for all the marbles. Lose and you're the Bears fan's bitch, win and glory is ours. Ultimate bragging rights are on the line forever. Surprisingly, its pretty damn rare for division rivals to meet in the conference championship game.

The Bears definitely scare me more than the Seachickens. But, imo they are the weakest opponent we have faced in the playoffs thus far. We lost to them only because we beat ourselves, they certainly didn't beat us in the first match up. But, weather is the great equalizer. Their special teams is MUCH better than ours.

I hope MM can find a practice field terrible enough to emulate Soldier Field... wow that ground looked awful.

*Has anyone else noticed their stadium looks like a bedpan from the top view? Also, hopefully the Packers will jump out to a 3-0 lead so that the Bears fans will start heading home, as they are known for leaving early...
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 17, 2011, 10:44:51 AM

We lost to them only because we beat ourselves, they certainly didn't beat us in the first match up. But, weather is the great equalizer. Their special teams is MUCH better than ours.

First of all, you're not on the team.

Second, all those times the Packers were flagged for holding penalties (specifically holding Peppers), those penalties had nothing to do with the linemen getting beat, huh? It was simply the Packers beating themselves? I assume then, that you also believe that the Bears beat themselves in Lambeau since Cutler threw some really bad passes. The Packers certainly had nothing to do with it, right?

Finally, this game will come down to how well Cutler plays. If he takes care of the ball, the Bears will win. If not...I don't even want to say it. I think that he and Martz play smart, run the ball and head to the Super Bowl!

Bears 17-13
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 17, 2011, 11:08:14 AM
Pack win, won't even be close

21-10

One td for bears will come off hester return, guaranteed, pack special teams is an abortion

for all the other predictors saying bears will score 34 points, your insane

Packers D is better than Bears D (5 vs 9)

Packers O is better than Bears O (9 vs 30!)

The only place the Pack suck is S.T., which is why I will give the Bears a TD there.

Pack win, Pack Cover the Spread, Pack hoist Hallas trophy in chicago!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 11:09:23 AM
If God is a Bears fan, it's a cold Sunday with snow next week, bad footing conditions.  Bears have a chance then to make it a muddy game.

If God is a Packers fan and it's a balmy day, semi-decent surface, Packers win.

Packers are the better team, but the better team doesn't always win.  If this game were indoors, the Packers would win by 3 touchdowns, but it's not indoors.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 17, 2011, 11:15:20 AM
Sorry, I forgot one thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj5aW0tj3mE
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MUfan12 on January 17, 2011, 11:37:52 AM
If God is a Bears fan, it's a cold Sunday with snow next week, bad footing conditions.  Bears have a chance then to make it a muddy game.

If God is a Packers fan and it's a balmy day, semi-decent surface, Packers win.

Packers are the better team, but the better team doesn't always win.  If this game were indoors, the Packers would win by 3 touchdowns, but it's not indoors.

Agreed, but I'd also add the wind to it.

With Maseycakes already being unreliable in good conditions, that could turn into a big advantage since Gould is used to kicking there.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 17, 2011, 12:30:57 PM
Bears 98, Green Bay 3.

The only reason GB gets a field goal is that Papa Bear Halas comes down from heaven to award the Halas trophy to Da Bears and they miss blocking a FG by an inch because they are distracted by the great Papa Bear Halas.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 17, 2011, 12:31:36 PM
If God is a Bears fan, it's a cold Sunday with snow next week, bad footing conditions.  Bears have a chance then to make it a muddy game.

If God is a Packers fan and it's a balmy day, semi-decent surface, Packers win.

Packers are the better team, but the better team doesn't always win.  If this game were indoors, the Packers would win by 3 touchdowns, but it's not indoors.

Bad conditions tend to favor the offense (in this case, the Packers) as the offensive players know where they're going. Look at what the Patriots did to the Bears and Jets in terrible conditions.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 01:05:58 PM
Bad conditions tend to favor the offense (in this case, the Packers) as the offensive players know where they're going. Look at what the Patriots did to the Bears and Jets in terrible conditions.

Normally I would agree, but that certainly wasn't the case in the Bears vs Packers game a few weeks ago in Lambeau. IMO.  GB looked slow and tentative that game.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 17, 2011, 01:19:58 PM
Normally I would agree, but that certainly wasn't the case in the Bears vs Packers game a few weeks ago in Lambeau. IMO.  GB looked slow and tentative that game.

I'd argue that the conditions weren't that bad during that game. Cold, sure, but no precipitation and the surface at Lambeau is in remarkable shape.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 01:33:11 PM
Let's just say a good ground game in the cold, wet conditions seems to do wonders over a fast, passing attack type team.

2007 NFC title game in Green Bay would be another example I would use.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: LON on January 17, 2011, 01:33:39 PM
First of all, you're not on the team.

Second, all those times the Packers were flagged for holding penalties (specifically holding Peppers), those penalties had nothing to do with the linemen getting beat, huh? It was simply the Packers beating themselves? I assume then, that you also believe that the Bears beat themselves in Lambeau since Cutler threw some really bad passes. The Packers certainly had nothing to do with it, right?

Finally, this game will come down to how well Cutler plays. If he takes care of the ball, the Bears will win. If not...I don't even want to say it. I think that he and Martz play smart, run the ball and head to the Super Bowl!

Bears 17-13


I use "We" when talking about MU and Green Bay...

I don't understand when people get all butt-hurt about that (unless they went to UW-(Insert Extension Here) and use it to describe the Badgers...I went to MU and go to games.  I spent enough money on them to use "we"

I went to 6 Packers games this year and at least 2 the last 4 years...I say I deserve to use "we"

And I'll be at that spaceship you call a stadium on Sunday too.

/I know you didn't address me I just want to get my shots in during hate-week (I have several friends that are Bears fans and it's a fun back and forth)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ATWizJr on January 17, 2011, 01:39:39 PM
Normally I would agree, but that certainly wasn't the case in the Bears vs Packers game a few weeks ago in Lambeau. IMO.  GB looked slow and tentative that game.

Gee, I hope we can look slow and tentative like that again this week.  Seems to me we won that one.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 01:44:33 PM
I use "We" when talking about MU and Green Bay...

I don't understand when people get all butt-hurt about that (unless they went to UW-(Insert Extension Here) and use it to describe the Badgers...I went to MU and go to games.  I spent enough money on them to use "we"

I went to 6 Packers games this year and at least 2 the last 4 years...I say I deserve to use "we"

And I'll be at that spaceship you call a stadium on Sunday too.

/I know you didn't address me I just want to get my shots in during hate-week (I have several friends that are Bears fans and it's a fun back and forth)

+1

I absolutely hate the crap when people start saying you can't use "WE" when talking about THEIR teams.  Damn straight they can.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 01:45:50 PM
Gee, I hope we can look slow and tentative like that again this week.  Seems to me we won that one.

I hope you win as well, it will make my wife and son extremely happy.  As an impartial observer who does not care about either team, I did not feel Chicago brought everything to bear (no pun intended) and GB had to win to make the playoffs, yet it was a game that was up for grabs all day long.  And it was at Lambeau Field.  I have to think Chicago feels pretty good about that.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: hairy worthen on January 17, 2011, 02:16:56 PM
Bears 98, Green Bay 3.

The only reason GB gets a field goal is that Papa Bear Halas comes down from heaven to award the Halas trophy to Da Bears and they miss blocking a FG by an inch because they are distracted by the great Papa Bear Halas.

I used to think you were funny , now it looks like you are just lame.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: hairy worthen on January 17, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
Let's just say a good ground game in the cold, wet conditions seems to do wonders over a fast, passing attack type team.

2007 NFC title game in Green Bay would be another example I would use.

Unless the conditions are extreme, i think the good ground game stuff is over rated. I remember Manning and Plexi glass Burrico tearing Al harris a new one in that 2007 nfc title game, they didn't have any problem passing, they had a great ground game to go with it. Besides the packers defense is too good to get gashed over and over again by the run.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 17, 2011, 03:00:27 PM
I used to think you were funny , now it looks like you are just lame.

(http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/cleanplatecharlie/DaBears.jpg)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 03:23:20 PM
Unless the conditions are extreme, i think the good ground game stuff is over rated. I remember Manning and Plexi glass Burrico tearing Al harris a new one in that 2007 nfc title game, they didn't have any problem passing, they had a great ground game to go with it. Besides the packers defense is too good to get gashed over and over again by the run.


Burress and Driver both had big games, but both QB's were in the 250 yard range.  Manning barely at .500 completion and same for Favre.

Giants time of Possession 40 minutes.  Packers 22 minutes. 
Title: And the tweets start...Ryan Grant with the first one
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 03:27:45 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/news/story?id=6030476

Title: Re: And the tweets start...Ryan Grant with the first one
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 17, 2011, 03:43:53 PM
What a dope.

Ryan Grant and I will have the same impact on the outcome of Sunday's game.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: hairy worthen on January 17, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
(http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/cleanplatecharlie/DaBears.jpg)

ok your'e funny again.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 17, 2011, 03:55:12 PM
Having balance in the NFL is overrated. The only reason good teams have a "balanced attack" is because they have leads late in the game and are trying to run the clock out.

Unless the weather is absolutely treacherous, GB should be able to move the ball through the air. Rodgers is on fire, as is McCarthy with his play calls.

I am worried however, about GBs offensive line in pass protection. Rodgers was able to escape several sacks on Saturday, thankfully.


Regarding the use of "we"...I think it sounds dumb if you dont have a legitimate connection to the team. Ex...Using "we" as a Marquette student/alum is fine. But when it comes to pro sports...it sounds weird if you use it and dont play or work for the team.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 17, 2011, 03:57:52 PM
Having balance in the NFL is overrated. The only reason good teams have a "balanced attack" is because they have leads late in the game and are trying to run the clock out.

Unless the weather is absolutely treacherous, GB should be able to move the ball through the air. Rodgers is on fire, as is McCarthy with his play calls.

I am worried however, about GBs offensive line in pass protection. Rodgers was able to escape several sacks on Saturday, thankfully.


Regarding the use of "we"...I think it sounds dumb if you dont have a legitimate connection to the team. Ex...Using "we" as a Marquette student/alum is fine. But when it comes to pro sports...it sounds weird if you use it and dont play or work for the team.


Packers share holder?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 17, 2011, 04:04:41 PM
Packers share holder?

Do people that own stock in Pepsi say "Wow, we really have a cool looking can?" For them...their share actually has value too.

Title: Re: And the tweets start...Ryan Grant with the first one
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 17, 2011, 04:09:32 PM
If you read the story, the tweet was made after the Packers beat ATL and before the Bears-Seahawks game was even played. Relatively innocuous, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: BobWildLoyalist on January 17, 2011, 04:59:02 PM
Da Bears 123, Pack 0
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MUsoxfan on January 17, 2011, 05:51:18 PM
As a Colts fan living in Chicago that HATES the Bears, I'm hoping beyond all hope that the Pack will win in a very lopsided fashion. I want the only people remaining in the stands by the 4th quarter to be Packer fans. I want the Bears to be embarrassed in a historical way.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 17, 2011, 06:10:05 PM
As a Colts fan living in Chicago that HATES the Bears... 


J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets

 ;)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 17, 2011, 06:16:00 PM
As a Packers fan, I see this game really comes down to the performance of two units: the Packers offensive performance relative to the Bears special teams

Green Bay's special teams play (outside of FG's) has been awful over the last decade.  Chicago's is excellent.  There's no doubt in my mind that Hester scores a special teams TD this Sunday on a muffed directional punt/kickoff. Hopefully that's the only big play he has and the Bears are below their average in starting field position for the rest of the game.  

If GB's offense is exceptional enough to outweigh the special teams gap, the Pack can win.  If not, Chicago goes to the Super Bowl in a nail biter 20-17.  

Regardless of the outcome I'm hoping for NFC dominance in the Super Bowl.  Let's show those clowns on the East Coast that the NFC North is not to be f'*cked with.  
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 17, 2011, 06:22:08 PM
As a Packers fan, I see this game really comes down to the performance of two units: the Packers offensive performance relative to the Bears special teams

Green Bay's special teams play (outside of FG's) has been awful over the last decade.  Chicago's is excellent.  There's no doubt in my mind that Hester scores a special teams TD this Sunday on a muffed directional punt/kickoff. Hopefully that's the only big play he has and the Bears are below their average in starting field position for the rest of the game.  

If GB's offense is exceptional enough to outweigh the special teams gap, the Pack can win.  If not, Chicago goes to the Super Bowl in a nail biter 20-17.  

Regardless of the outcome I'm hoping for NFC dominance in the Super Bowl.  Let's show those clowns on the East Coast that the NFC North is not to be f'*cked with.  


There is NO WAY Hester even gets a chance to return anything on Sunday, especially after Weems' return last week. Roberto Garza has a better chance at a long return (a la Dan Connolly) than does Hester.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GuyIncognito on January 17, 2011, 06:35:58 PM
Aaron Rodgers hates cancer patients.

http://www.youtube.com/v/62-zJzB-chA?version=3></object>
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 17, 2011, 08:03:15 PM
Of course this was going to come up, but it's a case of shoddy journalism.  Jan Cavanaugh, the cancer survivor in the video, has defended the Packers and Aaron Rodgers and is quite upset over the way the story was reported.  

Cavanaugh is a rabid Packers fan who often seeks autographs from the team and in particular Rodgers.  Just the week before, Aaron signed a jersey for her.  He's signed other items as well over the past couple of years.  Now, I agree that as a pro athlete Rodgers should recognize who pays his salary and that he's fortunate to live the life he has, but this story has gotten blown way out of proportion.  

Packers Fan with Cancer Shocked by Criticism of Aaron Rodgers http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=13857012 (http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=13857012)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2011, 08:10:32 PM
I both love the meatball portion of this week and hate it at the same time.

Putting fandom's aside, and looking objectively, here's what I see.

-Chicos said if this game was in a dome and on turf, Pack by 3 touchdowns. No f'n way, as both teams strengths are for dome/turf conditions. The Bears D is predicated on speed, anyone who's watched the Bears this year realizes that. As is the Pack's offense, see last week.

-Anyone who thinks the Pack is putting up 48 this week, or the Bears are putting up 35, is insane.

-Field conditions are going to bother both teams, slight advantage to the Bears for at least knowing how bad the footing is going to be. Current weather calls for this Sunday to be like last Sunday, cloudy/chance of snow, upper teens.

-Last time at Soldier Field, the crowd and Julius Peppers were a huge factor in the game. Green Bay had 8 penalties called on the offense (that's not luck either).

-One of the reasons Green Bay's offense has struggled against the Bears, I think, is because the Bears don't blitz. Rodgers is the best QB in the NFC against the blitz, and the Pack receiving corp is excellent at reading blitz.

-On the flip side, if the Bears can't pick up the Pack blitz, it'll be a long day for the Bears offense.

-Punting/Kicking at Soldier Field is no easy task. Even if the Pack decide not to kick to Hester, big field position advantage for the Bears. Of note, Hester has 5 punt returns vs Green Bay this year, for 128 yds and a TD. That's a big average.

-Can either team run the ball against the other? Interesting that last time at Soldier, Pack ran the ball poorly, yet dominated time of possession. Rodgers threw 45 times, but if anyone remembers that game, the Pack essentially used their passing game as their running game.

-Who wins? I have no idea. People are going to think the Pack putting up 48 points last week means they win in a route. In Week 16, Pack put 40 plus up on the Giants, and then offensively struggled mightily against the Bears at home in Week 17, with their lives on the line. Can the Bears protect Cutler? Defensively they probably won't give up big plays, but can they get off the field on 3rd and long?

Should be an epic game. For all the preseason talk about how good the NFC East was supposed to be, 3 of the last 4 teams to make it to the NFC title game are from the NFC North.

Bears/Pack playing for the Halas trophy to go on to play for the Lombardi trophy, how fitting.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 17, 2011, 08:26:31 PM
Regarding the use of "we"...I think it sounds dumb if you dont have a legitimate connection to the team. Ex...Using "we" as a Marquette student/alum is fine. But when it comes to pro sports...it sounds weird if you use it and dont play or work for the team.


+1000
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 17, 2011, 08:34:19 PM
I both love the meatball portion of this week and hate it at the same time.

Putting fandom's aside, and looking objectively, here's what I see.

-Chicos said if this game was in a dome and on turf, Pack by 3 touchdowns. No f'n way, as both teams strengths are for dome/turf conditions. The Bears D is predicated on speed, anyone who's watched the Bears this year realizes that. As is the Pack's offense, see last week.

-Anyone who thinks the Pack is putting up 48 this week, or the Bears are putting up 35, is insane.

-Field conditions are going to bother both teams, slight advantage to the Bears for at least knowing how bad the footing is going to be. Current weather calls for this Sunday to be like last Sunday, cloudy/chance of snow, upper teens.

-Last time at Soldier Field, the crowd and Julius Peppers were a huge factor in the game. Green Bay had 8 penalties called on the offense (that's not luck either).

-One of the reasons Green Bay's offense has struggled against the Bears, I think, is because the Bears don't blitz. Rodgers is the best QB in the NFC against the blitz, and the Pack receiving corp is excellent at reading blitz.

-On the flip side, if the Bears can't pick up the Pack blitz, it'll be a long day for the Bears offense.

-Punting/Kicking at Soldier Field is no easy task. Even if the Pack decide not to kick to Hester, big field position advantage for the Bears. Of note, Hester has 5 punt returns vs Green Bay this year, for 128 yds and a TD. That's a big average.

-Can either team run the ball against the other? Interesting that last time at Soldier, Pack ran the ball poorly, yet dominated time of possession. Rodgers threw 45 times, but if anyone remembers that game, the Pack essentially used their passing game as their running game.

-Who wins? I have no idea. People are going to think the Pack putting up 48 points last week means they win in a route. In Week 16, Pack put 40 plus up on the Giants, and then offensively struggled mightily against the Bears at home in Week 17, with their lives on the line. Can the Bears protect Cutler? Defensively they probably won't give up big plays, but can they get off the field on 3rd and long?

Should be an epic game. For all the preseason talk about how good the NFC East was supposed to be, 3 of the last 4 teams to make it to the NFC title game are from the NFC North.

Bears/Pack playing for the Halas trophy to go on to play for the Lombardi trophy, how fitting.

Great analysis.  As a Packers fan, I worry about wind, and agree wholeheartedly with your statements on punting/kicking.  Bears kickers know the "read" at Soldier Field, so I give them the advantage there.  I also worry about Hester and the Packers crapty special teams defense.  I cosign on the merging of these two storied teams going for gold.  Good times.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 17, 2011, 08:42:17 PM
FWIW, I hope the Rodgers/cancer patient story goes away, that shouldn't cloud or hang over this game/this week ahead.

Not that it's on the same level, but the absurd Rick Reilly article on Cutler from last week hopefully goes away too. That piece was such a joke and had such an agenda behind it, it was ridiculous.
Title: Favre thinks Packers will win it all
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 08:46:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=6031703
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 17, 2011, 09:04:52 PM
FWIW, I hope the Rodgers/cancer patient story goes away, that shouldn't cloud or hang over this game/this week ahead.

Not that it's on the same level, but the absurd Rick Reilly article on Cutler from last week hopefully goes away too. That piece was such a joke and had such an agenda behind it, it was ridiculous.

Ugh, I listen to too much sports talk radio here in Chicago, and aside from learning the words to 'Bear Down, Chicago Bears', they've talked about the Incredible Sulk and the Rick Reilly article way too much.  With so much history and tradition to speak to with the upcoming game, the BS stories just reek of lazy journalism and pandering to non sports fans.



Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 17, 2011, 10:00:26 PM
I will be SHOCKED if either team even sniffs 40 points this weekend. By the same token, I'll be shocked if the Packers' offense struggles as much this weekend as it did in week 17, or in week 4 for that matter.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: spiral97 on January 17, 2011, 10:09:32 PM
learning the words to 'Bear Down, Chicago Bears'

In the week 17 game I, as a Packer fan, joined in with the Bear faithful shouting "Bear Down".  It actually felt surprisingly awesome.  Very liberating if I do say so myself.  I yelled it 6 times, one for each time Cutler found himself "down" on his back looking up at the green and gold jersey on top of him.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2011, 11:04:30 PM
Fair enough Dish, but in my opinion I think the Packers would destroy the Bears on turf.  Just my opinion.

Good luck this weekend, should be a great game.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 07:56:38 AM
No reason to over analyze, as will be done this week. By now everybody has a pretty good idea what they think these teams are. Forget everything that has been discussed/will be discussed this week where everyone is trying to talk themselves into something. The moment you knew the game was going to happen, who did you think was going to win? For me, that's the Packers because I believe they're just a better, more complete and tested team (and in know way do I think Mike Martz and Jay Cutler can be trusted in a game like this). As always turnovers are the great equalizer, but they are tough to predict, even considering the job the Bears do creating them. If the Packers take care of the ball and do not allow Devin Hester to beat them, they should win the game.
Title: Re: Favre thinks Packers will win it all
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 08:05:59 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2010/news/story?id=6031703

That's not what he told Peppers after the Bears/Vikes game.  Pretty funny what he says in public versus private.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 18, 2011, 08:11:20 AM
Not that it's on the same level, but the absurd Rick Reilly article on Cutler from last week hopefully goes away too. That piece was such a joke and had such an agenda behind it, it was ridiculous.

I just now read this article.  So...  does Rick not like Jay or something.  I thought his interview question about the INT was perfect.  "QWhat was the problem?  A: I threw the ball."  Why waste time talking about reads etc.

F*** Rick Reilly.


Weather: Hi 17 Low 12, 10% chance of precip.  (as of today)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 08:16:17 AM


F*** Rick Reilly.



Rick Reilly is a dope, and I find him incredibly boring and tiresome. I think Cutler is kind of a dope too, but who cares?
Title: Re: Favre thinks Packers will win it all
Post by: hairy worthen on January 18, 2011, 08:17:37 AM
That's not what he told Peppers after the Bears/Vikes game.  Pretty funny what he says in public versus private.

He is in major spin control to salvage his legacy. If he wasn't worried about his legacy he wouldn't have brought it up. Notice how he he is in the news right before the biggest championship game in a long time maybe ever. What a media whore, he can't stand not being the center of everyones attention. (Evidently it worked because he we are talking about it.)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: hairy worthen on January 18, 2011, 08:30:58 AM
I both love the meatball portion of this week and hate it at the same time.

Putting fandom's aside, and looking objectively, here's what I see.


-Field conditions are going to bother both teams, slight advantage to the Bears for at least knowing how bad the footing is going to be. Current weather calls for this Sunday to be like last Sunday, cloudy/chance of snow, upper teens.

-Last time at Soldier Field, the crowd and Julius Peppers were a huge factor in the game. Green Bay had 8 penalties called on the offense (that's not luck either)


You are spot on except these two points. The weather won't be a factor, both teams have played and played well in worse weather than what they will see on Sunday. Field conditons will be the same for both teams if anything the defenses will have trouble giving the advantage to the packers because they have a better offense.


Yes the bears caused some of the penalties in September but some were just brain farts that cost the packers. IT wasn't just the penalties that hurt the packers but also the mistakes on special teams and the turnover at the end of the game. I am pretty sure there won't be 8 penalties on the packer offense this time around.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 08:36:14 AM
Aaron Rodgers hates cancer patients.


Now you know the rest of the story...


http://www.wbay.com/Global/category.asp?C=169373&clipId=5476575&topVideoCatNo=14980&autoStart=true

I also can't find the entire story which was up on WBAY's site yesterday where they showed her husband indicating that he had gotten over 20 autographs the previous week, as well as a line of additional autograph seekers behind her when Rodgers walked by. This is obviously much ado about nothing, and is going to have zero impact on Arron Rodgers image, but I think the more interesting part about it is the exposure of the lazy, pathetic, incomplete work done by Mike Florio, who still refuses to back off anything he posted a few days ago.

Paul Harvey, Good day!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 18, 2011, 08:46:50 AM
First big blow of the week favors GB. Fox will be having some American Idol winner sing the national anthem instead of Jim Cornelison. Clearly the NFL wants GB in the Super Bowl.

Hope that kid is ready for what awaits him.
Title: Re: Favre thinks Packers will win it all
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2011, 08:56:17 AM
He is in major spin control to salvage his legacy. If he wasn't worried about his legacy he wouldn't have brought it up. Notice how he he is in the news right before the biggest championship game in a long time maybe ever. What a media whore, he can't stand not being the center of everyones attention. (Evidently it worked because he we are talking about it.)


Not only that, but the way he said it..."Well, they should win it all...they are the best team left," means if they don't it is a failure by Thompson, McCarthy and/or Rodgers if they don't.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 08:58:30 AM
First big blow of the week favors GB. Fox will be having some American Idol winner sing the national anthem instead of Jim Cornelison. Clearly the NFL wants GB in the Super Bowl.

Hope that kid is ready for what awaits him.


It was awesome seeing gentleman Jim sing the National Anthem versus the Seahawks with the crowd going crazy during it just like a Hawks game.

I think Jim has the largest ring of anyone there.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 09:19:33 AM
Of note, the NFL manages every aspect of the conference championship games. That's why Cornelison isn't singing this Sunday, and you'll get a dose of DeWyze (thank you Fox).

Also, the NFL (not the Chicago Park District) will manage the field all week. Might not seem like a big deal considering their obviously not installing new turf, but of note, it will be the NFL's call as to how to handle the field. Might not seem important, but Thursday night into Friday, if I'm not mistaken, there's supposed to be about six/seven inches of snow forecasted here in the Chicago area.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 09:44:10 AM
Cornelison also has a Hawks game at 11:30 on Sunday.  Maybe it takes the golden pipes awhile to refresh.

The Bears and Park District met to discuss resurfacing the field.  The two decided not to considering the new sod wouldn't have time to take root.  (Plus green paint is a lot cheaper haha)

As for the turf, the Packers shouldn't complain about it.  If they don't like it they should have won the division so the game would be in Green Bay.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 18, 2011, 10:04:37 AM
They can still complain about the worst field in the NFL, seems like everyone else. Including bear players.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 10:07:17 AM
Urlacher hates it more than anyone.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 18, 2011, 10:19:09 AM
interesting sportsnation poll

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=46&sCat=1949
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
I am of the opinion that the NFL should mandate the use of fieldturf in stadiums where problems with grass fields have become "chronic."  (However you define chronic I don't know.)  I just think it is silly when you have a perfectly safe and viable alternative, that you play games on a bad grass field.  (And I'm not just singling out Chicago for this...Pittsburgh and Philly have had just as many problems.)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 18, 2011, 10:21:49 AM
They think it is some sort of home field advantage, like when ND grows their grass out when USC comes to town.  Still doesn't help.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 10:27:09 AM
They don't think it is a home field advantage.  The Bears always complain about the field.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 18, 2011, 10:31:53 AM
They don't think it is a home field advantage.  The Bears always complain about the field.

+1

The stadium is owned by the Chicago Park District. The Bears organization really doesn't have much of a say in how many concerts or high school games use the stadium and, as a result, tear up the turf.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 18, 2011, 10:33:10 AM
interesting sportsnation poll

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=46&sCat=1949

In what way is that interesting? Most fans believed the Packers would be Super Bowl contenders this season while the Bears would be lucky to finish 8-8. It is in no way surprising that these same people believe the Packers will win on Sunday.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2011, 10:39:37 AM
The thing is, Fieldturf isn't all that expensive to install.  It's something like $1.5-2M.  If the Park District won't do anything, and the Bears want it, they should just break open the checkbook and write a check.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 18, 2011, 10:40:22 AM
Interesting in that it pertains to our thread here. that is all.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 18, 2011, 10:52:02 AM
Interesting in that it pertains to our thread here. that is all.

Fair enough. Guess I'm a little touchy this week  ;D
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 18, 2011, 11:03:13 AM
Fair enough. Guess I'm a little touchy this week  ;D

So which category did you select? 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 11:05:21 AM
The Park District wouldn't allow the Bears to place a Walter Payton statue at Soldier Field.  That should tell you how much control the Bears have of Soldier Field.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: jesmu84 on January 18, 2011, 11:22:59 AM
NFL monitors soldier field this week, but makes the bears and Vikings play on cement at u of Minn. They fine players for hard hits because Of the risk of injury, but want an 18 game regular season. What a joke
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ATWizJr on January 18, 2011, 11:29:27 AM
Fair enough. Guess I'm a little touchy this week  ;D
  Is it cyclical?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 18, 2011, 11:41:33 AM
Collin Cowherd picked the Packers this morning big, 33-17 this weekend.

Now, this past weekend Cowherd went 0-4

The week prior, he picked the Eagles over the Packers

So take it for what it's worth
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 11:46:39 AM
Now, this past weekend Cowherd went 0-4

That's almost impressive how wrong he was.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 18, 2011, 11:56:19 AM
NFL monitors soldier field this week, but makes the bears and Vikings play on cement at u of Minn. They fine players for hard hits because Of the risk of injury, but want an 18 game regular season. What a joke

Concrete is what you're looking for there.

If they were playing on cement, they would be running on top of a previously heated limestone material made up of materials that have 98% passing on the P200 sieve.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ATWizJr on January 18, 2011, 12:00:32 PM
Collin Cowherd picked the Packers this morning big, 33-17 this weekend.

Now, this past weekend Cowherd went 0-4

The week prior, he picked the Eagles over the Packers

So take it for what it's worth
  It's not worth much.  He denied Rodgers was an elite QB (like that idiot Bayless) and predicted that James would be so nervous before he faced the Cavs in Cleveland that he'd score maybe a dozen.  He went off for 40 or so. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 12:55:22 PM
This won't make Packer fans happy, but Peter King just picked Peppers (over Matthews) as his Defensive Player of the Year.

It's a real tough call this year. If you look at individual stats, you'd immediately think it should go to Matthews. If you look at team defensive stats, you'd agrue (as King did) that it should go to Peppers.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 18, 2011, 01:01:39 PM
I really like Peppers but at what price, $1M per game ($2M per sack)?

I guess Matthews delivers a better value.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 01:10:59 PM
I really like Peppers but at what price, $1M per game ($2M per sack)?

I guess Matthews delivers a better value.

How many penalties did he force against the Packers alone?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 18, 2011, 01:11:59 PM
Packers 3 point favorites, is that correct?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ATWizJr on January 18, 2011, 01:13:32 PM
How many penalties did he force against the Packers alone?

Which game?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: hairy worthen on January 18, 2011, 01:14:16 PM
Packers 3 point favorites, is that correct?

I saw 3.5.  remember the packers are a very public team. The oddsmakers want equal money on both sides so the packers point spread is always skewed
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2011, 01:17:53 PM
This won't make Packer fans happy, but Peter King just picked Peppers (over Matthews) as his Defensive Player of the Year.


I can't argue with this.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 18, 2011, 01:29:04 PM

I can't argue with this.

Can't argue it, but it won't happen. Ultimately, these awards always come down to stats.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: hairy worthen on January 18, 2011, 01:29:45 PM
Which game?

I hope you are not pinning your hopes on the bears forcing a lot of packer penalties.

People are over estimating how many penalties the bears "forced"  Yes I remember at least one instance of holding after getting beat, but there was also some bone headed, unforced penalties as well. (Roughing the passer,  pass intereference, stupid rookie mistakes.)  The packer offensive line is much better than the first game. Tauscher struggled in that game and has been replaced. Clifton is playing near a pro bowl level. Look at the game at lambeau the packers had 3 penalties for 30 plus yards, that is more like what we will see.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 18, 2011, 01:30:18 PM
Bears fans are stupid.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/18/bernstein-bears-fans-need-to-shut-up/
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ATWizJr on January 18, 2011, 01:56:12 PM
I hope you are not pinning your hopes on the bears forcing a lot of packer penalties.

People are over estimating how many penalties the bears "forced"  Yes I remember at least one instance of holding after getting beat, but there was also some bone headed, unforced penalties as well. (Roughing the passer,  pass intereference, stupid rookie mistakes.)  The packer offensive line is much better than the first game. Tauscher struggled in that game and has been replaced. Clifton is playing near a pro bowl level. Look at the game at lambeau the packers had 3 penalties for 30 plus yards, that is more like what we will see.
Totally agree.  Packers had 18 penalties in game 1,  4 in game 2.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 02:05:34 PM
Totally agree.  Packers had 18 penalties in game 1,  4 in game 2.

That first game will have about as much impact on this game, as the Bears' loss to Seattle did last weekend.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 02:16:45 PM
Bears fans are stupid.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/18/bernstein-bears-fans-need-to-shut-up/

Terry is ripping Packer fans right now.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 02:23:21 PM
It'd be naive not to discount crowd noise and making line calls, and that not influencing this game. Much easier to make line calls at home than on the road. I'm not saying the Pack is going to have 8 offensive penalties again, but you have to at least realize it might be an issue.

To coincide with that point, the two officials working conference title games this weekend are Terry McAuley and the immortal Ed Hochuli. No crew throws the flag more than Hochuli's. If he gets the Pack/Bears, expect a lot of calls.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: hairy worthen on January 18, 2011, 02:35:39 PM

To coincide with that point, the two officials working conference title games this weekend are Terry McAuley and the immortal Ed Hochuli. No crew throws the flag more than Hochuli's. If he gets the Pack/Bears, expect a lot of calls.

Ed Hochuli???  nooooooooooooo!

There maybe some penalties, but it won't be because the bears force them.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2011, 02:55:14 PM
Bad news!   Lee DeWyze who may be singing the national anthem instead of Blackhawk legend Jim Cornelison is a second cousin of Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 03:24:58 PM
It'd be naive not to discount crowd noise and making line calls, and that not influencing this game. Much easier to make line calls at home than on the road. I'm not saying the Pack is going to have 8 offensive penalties again, but you have to at least realize it might be an issue.

Packers offensive penalties in their last 6 road games...

@ATL (playoffs) - 1
@ Philly - 1
@ NE - 1
@ DET - 2
@ ATL - 2
@ MIN - 0

Now, unless Soldier Field has suddenly become known for incredible crowd noise, I can and will conclude that it will be no tougher on the Packers Sunday than it has been the last 2 months. As suggested above, the Packers may commit some penalties, but I don't suspect crowd noise will be a major factor. That game in week 3 was an obvious anomaly caused by poor play, and a lack of concentration, not noise.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 03:26:36 PM
Bad news!   Lee DeWyze who may be singing the national anthem instead of Blackhawk legend Jim Cornelison is a second cousin of Aaron Rodgers.

That is bad news...for Aaron Rodgers.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 03:41:38 PM
Packers offensive penalties in their last 6 road games...

@ATL (playoffs) - 1
@ Philly - 1
@ NE - 1
@ DET - 2
@ ATL - 2
@ MIN - 0

Now, unless Soldier Field has suddenly become known for incredible crowd noise, I can and will conclude that it will be no tougher on the Packers Sunday than it has been the last 2 months. As suggested above, the Packers may commit some penalties, but I don't suspect crowd noise will be a major factor. That game in week 3 was an obvious anomaly caused by poor play, and a lack of concentration, not noise.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Julius Peppers does not play for any of those teams, correct?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 04:02:51 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Julius Peppers does not play for any of those teams, correct?

No, but your post was in reference to crowd noise. Does Julius Peppers have some superhuman ability to create crowd noise.

BTW, Julius Pepper does not play for those teams, but Jared Allen, John Abraham, Ndamukong Suh, Vince Wilfork, all do.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Moonboots on January 18, 2011, 04:14:49 PM
No, but your post was in reference to crowd noise. Does Julius Peppers have some superhuman ability to create crowd noise.

BTW, Julius Pepper does not play for those teams, but Jared Allen, John Abraham, Ndamukong Suh, Vince Wilfork, all do.

BUT DON'T YOU GET IT? THEY AREN'T JULIUS PEPPERS. HE CAUSED ALL 18 PENALTIES BACK IN WEEK 3. PEPPERS > WHITE. PEPPERS > DEACON JONES. PEPPERS > BRUCE SMITH.


Now that I've got that off my chest, I think we need to address something. Peppers is a game changer, for sure, but I think people are giving him way too much credit for the Packers' penalty implosion week 3. It was a historically bad performance as far as discipline is concerned, and it still took a late James Jones turnover for the Bears to win. At home. The Packers don't even have the same right tackle as week 3, and have handled premier pass rushers on the road much better since, you know, 17 weeks ago.

To say what happened week 3 will affect Sunday makes as much sense as thinking that what happened between the Packers and Falcons in the reg. season would influence last week. Or, for that matter, the Seahawks and Bears.

At this point in the season with how they're playing, if both teams bring their A game, the Packers will win. More playmakers on both offense or defense. And if McCarthy is smart, he won't give the Bears' BEST playmaker a chance to touch the ball. Give the Bears 10-15 extra yards and kick it out of bounds, I don't care. Just don't give Hester a chance to swing momentum.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 04:31:18 PM
No, but your post was in reference to crowd noise. Does Julius Peppers have some superhuman ability to create crowd noise.

BTW, Julius Pepper does not play for those teams, but Jared Allen, John Abraham, Ndamukong Suh, Vince Wilfork, all do.

Crowd noise (to whatever extent you want it to be, you seem to be taking issue with it, so I'll leave it at your call) + Julius Peppers (Defensive Player of the Year candidate, better than any of the people you mentioned) = tougher to make line calls, and leads to things like back to back "False start, #65 offense" (I realize Tauscher is on IR now).

Packer offensive penalties that day:

PENALTY on GB-76-C.Clifton, False Start
PENALTY on GB-73-D.Colledge, Offensive Holding
PENALTY on GB-76-C.Clifton, Illegal Formation
PENALTY on GB-71-J.Sitton, Offensive Holding
PENALTY on GB-65-M.Tauscher, Offensive Holding
PENALTY on GB-65-M.Tauscher, False Start
PENALTY on GB-65-M.Tauscher, False Start
PENALTY on GB-12-A.Rodgers, Delay of Game
PENALTY on GB-76-C.Clifton, False Start

I didn't include Rodgers intentional grounding penalty, FWIW.

Four of the five offensive lineman that day had penalties. If it was a "historically bad performance" or "anomaly", that is a hell of a bad performance by one group, and a huge coincidence that nothing factored into it. By that reasoning, they could have played a Sisters of the Poor that day and had the exact same performance. According to the logic I'm hearing, the presence and play of Peppers and any crowd noise (or lack there of apparently) were not contributors to a horrendous offensive line performance that night.

Again, all I'm saying is not to be naive, and discount crowd noise and the presence of Peppers this Sunday. Not saying either of those factors are a guarantee of a Bears victory, but no need to be football ignorant and ignore either variable.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Josey Wales on January 18, 2011, 04:37:06 PM
First of all, you're not on the team.

Second, all those times the Packers were flagged for holding penalties (specifically holding Peppers), those penalties had nothing to do with the linemen getting beat, huh? It was simply the Packers beating themselves? I assume then, that you also believe that the Bears beat themselves in Lambeau since Cutler threw some really bad passes. The Packers certainly had nothing to do with it, right?

Finally, this game will come down to how well Cutler plays. If he takes care of the ball, the Bears will win. If not...I don't even want to say it. I think that he and Martz play smart, run the ball and head to the Super Bowl!

Bears 17-13


First, I say "we" when talking about the Packers and MU basketball. Get over it.

Second, Committing 18 penalties is considered the Packers beating themselves because over the rest of the season they proved to be very good at not committing penalties, so this was an anomaly. And, sorry Bears fan, Peppers did not cause all 18.

Also, the Bears did not beat themselves at Lambeau due to Cutlers "bad passes", because Cutler is very prone to make many terrible throws in every game, that is just the way he plays.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 04:50:42 PM
Now that is one heck of a strawman argument...Who said they were not factors? Who's ignoring their presence? If you want to conclude that the noise and Peppers were bigger factors than they were, go for it.

Explain something to me though...If Julius Peppers is in such a class by himself relative to causing penalties, and coupled with the Soldier Field crowd noise creates such problems for opponents,  wouldn't it be safe to conclude that the Bears would be near the top of the league in opponents penalties? Even with that 18 penalty aberration against Green Bay, the Bears rank 20th in the league in opponents penalties per game at 5.5, with very little change at home at 5.8 (18th), and the exact same 5.5 average as last season when Julius Peppers was a Panther. In fact if you take out even half of those penalties against the Packers in that game, their average would drop them down to about 30th in the league.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Moonboots on January 18, 2011, 04:58:44 PM
Now that is one heck of a strawman argument...Who said they were not factors? Who's ignoring their presence? If you want to conclude that the noise and Peppers were bigger factors than they were, go for it.

Explain something to me though...If Julius Peppers is in such a class by himself relative to causing penalties, and coupled with the Soldier Field crowd noise creates such problems for opponents,  wouldn't it be safe to conclude that the Bears would be near the top of the league in opponents penalties. Even with that 18 penalty aberration against Green Bay, the Bears rank 20th in the league in opponents penalties per game at 5.5, with very little change at home at 5.8 (18th), and the exact same 5.5 average as last season when Julius Peppers was a Panther. In fact if you take out even half of those penalties against the Packers in that game, their average would drop them down to about 30th in the league.

Exactly the research I was just doing. Well done.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Josey Wales on January 18, 2011, 05:00:43 PM
Now that is one heck of a strawman argument...Who said they were not factors? Who's ignoring their presence? If you want to conclude that the noise and Peppers were bigger factors than they were, go for it.

Explain something to me though...If Julius Peppers is in such a class by himself relative to causing penalties, and coupled with the Soldier Field crowd noise creates such problems for opponents,  wouldn't it be safe to conclude that the Bears would be near the top of the league in opponents penalties. Even with that 18 penalty aberration against Green Bay, the Bears rank 20th in the league in opponents penalties per game at 5.5, with very little change at home at 5.8 (18th), and the exact same 5.5 average as last season when Julius Peppers was a Panther. In fact if you take out even half of those penalties against the Packers in that game, their average would drop them down to about 30th in the league.

There's no room for logic and reason on this board! But seriously, nicely done.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 18, 2011, 05:14:15 PM
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, ITS JULIUS PEPPERS!


He's a great player, but let's not get carried away.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 18, 2011, 06:35:24 PM
Great research and post.  I was beginning to look into that until I saw yours.  Well done.


Peppers had 2 tackles and no sacks against the worst playoff team in NFL history, AT HOME

In two games against two very good teams Clay has 7 tackles and 3 sacks.

nuff said
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 18, 2011, 06:45:02 PM
Technically, according to football insiders, they were the 2nd worst all time.  I can't remember the other team, but they also won their first game.


In regards to your other pt, don't u think the seahawks might have tried to work the other end of the line to avoid Peppers?  Just like throwing at Cromartie instead of Revis.  Tackles and sacks are not the only way to judge a players impact.

unnatural carnal knowledge the Pack!  (I love CHI GB week).
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 18, 2011, 06:49:19 PM
Bears still suck!

I am sorry but there is no way someone will be able to convince me peppers had a better year than clay.

look at stats:


   YEAR   TOT   SOLO   AST   SACK   STF   STFY   FF   BK   INT   YDS   AVG   LNG   TD   PD
Clay Matthews   2010   60   54   6   13.5   5   14   2   0   1   62   62   62   1   4
Julius Peppers   2010   54   43   11   8   5   12   3   1   2   1   0.5   1   0   9
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 18, 2011, 06:52:45 PM
Bears still suck!

I am sorry but there is no way someone will be able to convince me peppers had a better year than clay.

look at stats:


   YEAR   TOT   SOLO   AST   SACK   STF   STFY   FF   BK   INT   YDS   AVG   LNG   TD   PD
Clay Matthews   2010   60   54   6   13.5   5   14   2   0   1   62   62   62   1   4
Julius Peppers   2010   54   43   11   8   5   12   3   1   2   1   0.5   1   0   9


As a Packers fan, you cannot deny Peppers. Clay's putting up better numbers, but Peppers has made a very mediocre defensive line shine. Tommie Harris and Israel Idonije have been making plays because of the attention Peppers draws.

In all though, defensive MVP will come down to stats. That's why Clay will win.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 07:24:39 PM
The award will and probably should go to a playmaker. If you are going to give it to a guy based on his ability to make the rest of the defense better, that fat bastard in New England should probably win it way before Peppers. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wardle2wade on January 18, 2011, 07:53:00 PM
Bears still suck!

I am sorry but there is no way someone will be able to convince me peppers had a better year than clay.

look at stats:


   YEAR   TOT   SOLO   AST   SACK   STF   STFY   FF   BK   INT   YDS   AVG   LNG   TD   PD
Clay Matthews   2010   60   54   6   13.5   5   14   2   0   1   62   62   62   1   4
Julius Peppers   2010   54   43   11   8   5   12   3   1   2   1   0.5   1   0   9


Missing the stat-line on steroid injections... Matthews has that won by a mile.  He's extremely talented and would love him on the Bears, but is it just me or does Clay's growth seem like the most blatant case of roid blow-up since Sammy Sosa?

IIRC his boy Cushing got nailed with a PED suspension over the off-season last year. Wouldn't surprise me to have the same happen to CM.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 18, 2011, 08:58:13 PM
Missing the stat-line on steroid injections... Matthews has that won by a mile.  He's extremely talented and would love him on the Bears, but is it just me or does Clay's growth seem like the most blatant case of roid blow-up since Sammy Sosa?

IIRC his boy Cushing got nailed with a PED suspension over the off-season last year. Wouldn't surprise me to have the same happen to CM.


Guilty by association now huh?  Why didn't Roddy White get corralled for participation in a dog-fighting ring then?

If Clay hasn't tested positive yet, he won't.  Get over it, he is a great player with an excellent motor.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 09:34:01 PM
Now that is one heck of a strawman argument...Who said they were not factors? Who's ignoring their presence? If you want to conclude that the noise and Peppers were bigger factors than they were, go for it.

Explain something to me though...If Julius Peppers is in such a class by himself relative to causing penalties, and coupled with the Soldier Field crowd noise creates such problems for opponents,  wouldn't it be safe to conclude that the Bears would be near the top of the league in opponents penalties? Even with that 18 penalty aberration against Green Bay, the Bears rank 20th in the league in opponents penalties per game at 5.5, with very little change at home at 5.8 (18th), and the exact same 5.5 average as last season when Julius Peppers was a Panther. In fact if you take out even half of those penalties against the Packers in that game, their average would drop them down to about 30th in the league.

Riddle me this, was it just pure fate that caused the Packers offensive line to be that horrible that evening? I'm pointing out one specific night. If the Pack (as you pointed out) wasn't so bad in 6 other road games, what caused them to be so bad that night? I'm just curious why that is being ignored by you. You provide these other penalty numbers, and I have no idea why other teams didn't committ penalties at an alarmingly high rate as the Packers did that night. You're the Packer fan here, let me know, thanks.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 09:42:14 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but the Bears, NFL, and Fox worked through the Cornelison/Dewyze controversy. Cornelison is signing the anthem, and Dewyze is performing at halftime. Bears asked Fox/NFL if that arrangement would work, and all signed off on the idea.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 18, 2011, 09:53:50 PM
So who is this Cornelison guy anyway? A folk hero? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 10:06:02 PM
So who is this Cornelison guy anyway? A folk hero? Thanks in advance.

I'm going to assume you're not a Blackhawk fan, or you didn't watch the opening of Seahawks/Bears on Sunday. Darren Rovell tweeted that Cornelision's anthem before Seahawks/Bears was the best national anthem performance ever.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 10:18:22 PM
Riddle me this, was it just pure fate that caused the Packers offensive line to be that horrible that evening? I'm pointing out one specific night. If the Pack (as you pointed out) wasn't so bad in 6 other road games, what caused them to be so bad that night? I'm just curious why that is being ignored by you. You provide these other penalty numbers, and I have no idea why other teams didn't committ penalties at an alarmingly high rate as the Packers did that night. You're the Packer fan here, let me know, thanks.

This may sound stupid, but, one of those days. My evidence for that is the fact that it wasn't just the offense line that had problems. I'm not ignoring how bad the O-line was. You however seem to only want to focus on the night they had, and seem to be ignoring how bad they were everywhere else as well in terms of mistakes and penalties, along with all the other data. They had 10 offensive penalties, and 8 non-offensive penalties. Their season average, including that incredibly bad day, is 3rd lowest in the league at 4.8 game. They had nearly double that on each side of the ball in week 3. If you want to read some sort of meaning into that, have at it, but to do so, you really have to ignore all of the other numbers...the very low number of Packer penalties in other road games, the fact that the Packers are one of the least penalized teams in the league, and the fact that Bears rank near the bottom in opponents' penalties. Your theory requires one to believe that Julius Peppers and the Soldier Field crowd have exponentially more impact on the Packers than on other teams, because the overall numbers don't suggest anything other than a very bad night.

And oh btw, Clifton had to be removed from the game the week prior because of a bad knee, did not really practice leading up to the Bear game, and was quite ineffective early in the year due to injury (Been extremely good the second half of the season however). Mark Tauscher's career is obviously over, and he probably should not have come back, as he was bad all year in the games he played, including the Bear game.

Again, not saying guys like Peppers and home field don't have an impact, because they can/do, but attempting to read any real meaning into that 18 penalty affair and try to project it onto this game doesn't make a lot of sense.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 18, 2011, 10:26:22 PM
First, I say "we" when talking about the Packers and MU basketball. Get over it.

Second, Committing 18 penalties is considered the Packers beating themselves because over the rest of the season they proved to be very good at not committing penalties, so this was an anomaly. And, sorry Bears fan, Peppers did not cause all 18.

Also, the Bears did not beat themselves at Lambeau due to Cutlers "bad passes", because Cutler is very prone to make many terrible throws in every game, that is just the way he plays.

Just because you say it, that doesn't mean you don't sound like a fool when doing so.

If the Packers had a bunch of delay of game penalties or other "unforced errors," I'd give you the classic loser-speak argument that the Packers beat themselves. Unfortunately for you, that wasn't the case.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 18, 2011, 10:28:28 PM
Missing the stat-line on steroid injections... Matthews has that won by a mile.  He's extremely talented and would love him on the Bears, but is it just me or does Clay's growth seem like the most blatant case of roid blow-up since Sammy Sosa?

IIRC his boy Cushing got nailed with a PED suspension over the off-season last year. Wouldn't surprise me to have the same happen to CM.


+1,000,000

Meathead Packer fans are the only people who don't believe Matthews is a roid-shooter. The logical ones will be the first to tell you that Clay just ain't natural.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 10:28:48 PM
I'm going to assume you're not a Blackhawk fan, or you didn't watch the opening of Seahawks/Bears on Sunday. Darren Rovell tweeted that Cornelision's anthem before Seahawks/Bears was the best national anthem performance ever.

Good grief! Who cares? I certainly hope they are doing this for the fans (which I think is great), and not because they think it is going to help them win the game. Did the surprise/excitement/emotion caused by the whole thing impact the Seahawks? You bet it did! Is it going to affect a team like the Packers? No. At the end of the day, the Seahawks were a terrible football team, and all that anthem did was sink them early, but they never had a chance to begin with.  The Packers are a talented football team, and they could bring out a reanimated Francis Scott Key to sing the anthem and it is not going to impact what happens on the field this Sunday.

(Not trying to be a wise guy, but who is Darren Rovell and why should I care what he thinks?)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 10:30:14 PM
Fair enough, I understand your points (really I do). My point was just the opposite, if they were so good at not committing penalties in other games, I (as a Bears fan) was curious what was it about that Monday night that they were so poor. It was an outlier performance, and would theorize that either the environment they were in or the particular opponent that evening were the cause, as false starts are more mental than physical.

Fact is Peppers has to play at a dominant level for the Bears to have a chance Sunday. If the Packers don't need to double team or chip to his side, and can survive, huge advantage Green Bay. I don't believe the Packers will have that many penalities again, and your numbers support that. All I ever was trying to say is that in previewing this game, looking back at the previous time these two teams played in this venue, the amount of penalities were a huge factor in that outcome. That's all we have to analyze at this point.

Let's just fast forward to Sunday at 2pm, all this talk will drive us nuts on both sides at this rate.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 18, 2011, 10:32:18 PM
Of course Matthews in on a PED.

But guess what... the whole damn NFL is on PED's.  

Whoopty Doo.

You think these guys running around with 220lbs of muscle on their frame running 4.5 40's are natural????  

Only a meathead would think that.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 18, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
Good grief! Who cares? I certainly hope they are doing this for the fans (which I think is great), and not because they think it is going to help them win the game. Did the surprise/excitement/emotion caused by the whole thing impact the Seahawks? You bet it did! Is it going to affect a team like the Packers? No. At the end of the day, the Seahawks were a terrible football team, and all that anthem did was sink them early, but they never had a chance to begin with.  The Packers are a talented football team, and they could bring out a reanimated Francis Scott Key to sing the anthem and it is not going to impact what happens on the field this Sunday.

(Not trying to be a wise guy, but who is Darren Rovell and why should I care what he thinks?)

Most Packer fans probably don't care, I understand that. It's been a semi-big story in Chicago since yesterday, that's why I posted it. Heck, it's one of the main headlines on the Chicago Tribune website right now.

Darren Rovell is a former ESPN sports business reporter, now the sports business reporter for CNBC. You don't have to care what he thinks, I was just trying to respond to the other post and provide some background.

He's a great anthem singer, if people care about that, great. If people don't, great.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 10:35:52 PM

Meathead Packer fans are the only people who don't believe Matthews is a roid-shooter.


He probably is, along with about 1000 other NFL players. I know this is a position I cannot reconcile, but for some reason it doesn't bother me in football the way it does in baseball. I guess I just expect it as it has been going on for so long. If Matthews used PEDs he is obviously not the only one on his own team, let alone the NFL. I would suggest that those who choose to criticize him for it are equally meatballish, as anyone with a brain would be willing and able to admit that there are just as many Bears/Vikings/Eagles/Steelers...using PEDs as there are Packers. Maybe I'm a dope, but I don't give a rip about any of them.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2011, 10:42:29 PM
That's all we have to analyze at this point.

And I'll say what I said earlier. Don't bother. You can ween about as much useful information from that game as you can from the Bears' first game against Seattle. Its meaningless. It was over 3 months ago, and both teams are completely different today than they were back then. Now, the Packers may come out an commit 18 penalties again, but I would argue that there would be no meaningful correlation between the two games from a match up standpoint, other than a lack of focus and concentration and or injuries and guys playing out of position. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Josey Wales on January 18, 2011, 11:45:10 PM
Just because you say it, that doesn't mean you don't sound like a fool when doing so.


It's not like I walk around all day like some jackass saying "we this, we that" about the Packers. There is nothing wrong the die-hard fans occasionally using the word "we" about their favorite team. Seriously, I use the word once amid a long post and you really feel the need to bring it up and call me a fool? Really? A lot of people say "We won the superbowl; or, We are going to the superbowl this year!" and things like that. You must be pretty uptight to take offense to it. Why is it wrong to say "we" or "our"? It just shows you are identifying with a team that you care about. I don't even know why someone would argue such a stupid little point. For someone to have nothing better to say should just get a life. Maybe you never played sports thus don't grasp the team concept, or maybe you don't care a lot for your team. Who cares, why does it matter? I love MY packers!

Ok, it's one thing to hear some guy in a bar screaming like he thinks he wears a jersey. That may be a little foolish. However, to criticize me for using the word in an online forum to identify which team I root for is asinine.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: shiloh26 on January 19, 2011, 12:36:53 AM
Crowd noise (to whatever extent you want it to be, you seem to be taking issue with it, so I'll leave it at your call) + Julius Peppers (Defensive Player of the Year candidate, better than any of the people you mentioned) = tougher to make line calls, and leads to things like back to back "False start, #65 offense" (I realize Tauscher is on IR now).

Packer offensive penalties that day:

PENALTY on GB-76-C.Clifton, False Start
PENALTY on GB-73-D.Colledge, Offensive Holding
PENALTY on GB-76-C.Clifton, Illegal Formation
PENALTY on GB-71-J.Sitton, Offensive Holding
PENALTY on GB-65-M.Tauscher, Offensive Holding
PENALTY on GB-65-M.Tauscher, False Start
PENALTY on GB-65-M.Tauscher, False Start
PENALTY on GB-12-A.Rodgers, Delay of Game
PENALTY on GB-76-C.Clifton, False Start

I didn't include Rodgers intentional grounding penalty, FWIW.

Four of the five offensive lineman that day had penalties. If it was a "historically bad performance" or "anomaly", that is a hell of a bad performance by one group, and a huge coincidence that nothing factored into it. By that reasoning, they could have played a Sisters of the Poor that day and had the exact same performance. According to the logic I'm hearing, the presence and play of Peppers and any crowd noise (or lack there of apparently) were not contributors to a horrendous offensive line performance that night.

Again, all I'm saying is not to be naive, and discount crowd noise and the presence of Peppers this Sunday. Not saying either of those factors are a guarantee of a Bears victory, but no need to be football ignorant and ignore either variable.

Not sure if this was brought up, but the two false starts on Tauscher were as *WE* were backed up on *OUR* one yardline. He was getting his ass kicked by Peppers, for sure, (it was sad to watch) but I think he also figured there wasn't much to lose in trying to get those old knees around a bit sooner by trying to jump the snap. 

The Bears have a very, very good D-Line, especially if the corpse of Tommie Harris decides to be good at football again, and it looks to have decided just that.  However, I very, very much doubt that there will be that many penalties on the OLine again for a couple reasons. 

1. The Packers have developed a silent count that worked very well in the Atlanta game, a method they did not have in week six. 

2. Aaron Rodgers has looked like Houdini getting away from sacks lately, which is probably mostly luck, but I think it also gives his boys up front confidence that they don't have to risk a holding penalty to save him from getting destroyed.

3. This one is pure conjecture: They're playing with just a tad more confidence than in week 6.  My critique of Mike McCarthy teams has really only been that, even in wins, it always felt like pulling teeth... *WE* were barely hanging on, especially on the OLine. It doesn't feel that way anymore, and even though that Bears line may be the best its been all season, I don't think the OLine are afraid of that like they got to be in week 6.

We shall see. Who knows, Bulaga and Colledge have both had some frustrating runs of penalties at various points all year, and Bulaga especially has never been in a spot like this.  Then again, neither has J'Marcus Webb, as long as the topic is OLine troubles. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 19, 2011, 02:05:04 AM
+1,000,000

Meathead Packer fans are the only people who don't believe Matthews is a roid-shooter. The logical ones will be the first to tell you that Clay just ain't natural.



You're absolutely right, a guy with a father who played in the NFL, a Hall of Fame NFL player as an uncle, and a brother who will soon be in the NFL could NEVER be a good football player without steroids.  Absolutely not.

What an absolute joke.  Find me a picture, just ONE, where Clay Matthews is NOT jacked.  I looked up "Clay Matthews at USC" and looked through Google's entire images page and there is not a single one out there.

Now bare in mind that his diet for 4 years of his life was raw eggs and chicken.  And the fact that he played football at USC, meaning he was probably on SOME sort of weight program (crazy idea, I know).  And is now a professional athlete and PROBABLY lifts some weights here and there for his job.

So you're telling me that any strong man in the world who runs fast is on steroids?  OK.  Makes sense.  Derrick Rose must be shooting up every day.  Adrian Peterson?  Roids for sure.  Andre Johnson?  Absolutely.  Chris Johnson?  Maurice Jones Drew?  Michael Turner?  Tim Tebow?  Vince Young?  Blake Griffin?  Dwyane Wade?  Lebron James?  The list goes on and on.

But no, nobody in the NFL is on steroids BESIDES the guy who has football running through his veins and has since he was born.

I don't know whether Clay is on roids or not, but neither do you, so don't pretend you do.  He probably isn't going to be a skinny unathletic guy with the genes that he has...
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Stringer Bellenson on January 19, 2011, 04:03:03 AM
I'm quick to call out Matthews for being on roids or HGH, but for the most part, I kid.  At the end of the day, you can't deny the guy's talent or the way he plays.  In an effort to be somewhat objective, I suppose I'd like the guy if he were on the Bears; plus, he's entertaining to watch to some degree considering I'm usually rooting for his team to lose.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for two reasons.  The first, as was previously mentioned, the guy has pretty good bloodlines.  That can lead one to reasonably believe the guy was just a late bloomer (he weighed about 165 coming out of HS).

The second reason I give him a pass, which has more sway in my book, are those commercials he does with those sick kids and people with the little known disease, Duchenne (sp?) I believe.  What can I say?  I'm a softy.  None the less, it seems like a noble cause and makes him a little harder not to like.

It's nice to see someone up there's got a little class when it comes to treating the sick with a little dignity and respect.  I'll take Matthews with his heart of gold and ever-growing skull (see: Sosa, Bonds, Sly Stalone, Canseco) over that cold-hearted s.o.b. Rodgers, casting off cancer patients like lepers, any day of the week. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Stringer Bellenson on January 19, 2011, 04:21:24 AM
Find me a picture, just ONE, where Clay Matthews is NOT jacked.  I looked up "Clay Matthews at USC" and looked through Google's entire images page and there is not a single one out there.

Now bare in mind that his diet for 4 years of his life was raw eggs and chicken.  And the fact that he played football at USC, meaning he was probably on SOME sort of weight program (crazy idea, I know).  And is now a professional athlete and PROBABLY lifts some weights here and there for his job.

Not to nit-pick, but I think it can be argued here that he's not exactly jacked in this picture; but like I said, I give him the benefit of the doubt until he's proven guilty.  I won't fault the guy for having played for a cheating coach at a cheating program, and having a cheating roommate.

(http://moblog.whmsoft.net/shared_images/en/clay-matthews_27c9ea9e72dd4ee39927c6db4ebdce03.jpg)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 19, 2011, 05:21:27 AM
Not to nit-pick, but I think it can be argued here that he's not exactly jacked in this picture; but like I said, I give him the benefit of the doubt until he's proven guilty.  I won't fault the guy for having played for a cheating coach at a cheating program, and having a cheating roommate.

(http://moblog.whmsoft.net/shared_images/en/clay-matthews_27c9ea9e72dd4ee39927c6db4ebdce03.jpg)

I'll go out on a limb and assume this picture was from high school.

I can tell you, that the way I looked when I graduated from high school pales in comparison to the way I looked when I graduated from Marquette.

I'll also go out on another limb and say that I'm not the only one.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 19, 2011, 06:27:00 AM
So who is this Cornelison guy anyway? A folk hero? Thanks in advance.

At Chicago Blackhawks games the crowd goes wild, yelling and screaming, during the national anthem while Cornelison sings.  This carried over to Soldier Field last weekend when he sang and undoubtedly will be seen again this Sunday.

When he sings sure to check out his ring as he raises his hand for, "and our flag was still THERE!".
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS on January 19, 2011, 08:11:39 AM
At Chicago Blackhawks games the crowd goes wild, yelling and screaming, during the national anthem while Cornelison sings.  This carried over to Soldier Field last weekend when he sang and undoubtedly will be seen again this Sunday.

When he sings sure to check out his ring as he raises his hand for, "and our flag was still THERE!".
Absoluetly nothing to do with the bears/packers.  But in all honesty, that guys rendition of the national anthem sucked big time.  On a side note, the bears fans screaming and cheering during the beginning, middle and end of the anthem was bad also.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2011, 08:17:09 AM
It's not like I walk around all day like some jackass saying "we this, we that" about the Packers. There is nothing wrong the die-hard fans occasionally using the word "we" about their favorite team. Seriously, I use the word once amid a long post and you really feel the need to bring it up and call me a fool? Really? A lot of people say "We won the superbowl; or, We are going to the superbowl this year!" and things like that. You must be pretty uptight to take offense to it. Why is it wrong to say "we" or "our"? It just shows you are identifying with a team that you care about. I don't even know why someone would argue such a stupid little point. For someone to have nothing better to say should just get a life. Maybe you never played sports thus don't grasp the team concept, or maybe you don't care a lot for your team. Who cares, why does it matter? I love MY packers!

Ok, it's one thing to hear some guy in a bar screaming like he thinks he wears a jersey. That may be a little foolish. However, to criticize me for using the word in an online forum to identify which team I root for is asinine.

Can we at least agree that you now look like a fool for this ranting post?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: hairy worthen on January 19, 2011, 08:18:57 AM
I'm going to assume you're not a Blackhawk fan, or you didn't watch the opening of Seahawks/Bears on Sunday. Darren Rovell tweeted that Cornelision's anthem before Seahawks/Bears was the best national anthem performance ever.

Well at least you have that going for you
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Josey Wales on January 19, 2011, 08:24:50 AM
Can we at least agree that you now look like a fool for this ranting post?


Typical, just keep up personally attacks instead of using a logical argument. Congrats, you're the first person I've used the "ignore" button on.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2011, 08:25:55 AM
You're absolutely right, a guy with a father who played in the NFL, a Hall of Fame NFL player as an uncle, and a brother who will soon be in the NFL could NEVER be a good football player without steroids.  Absolutely not.

What an absolute joke.  Find me a picture, just ONE, where Clay Matthews is NOT jacked.  I looked up "Clay Matthews at USC" and looked through Google's entire images page and there is not a single one out there.

Now bare in mind that his diet for 4 years of his life was raw eggs and chicken.  And the fact that he played football at USC, meaning he was probably on SOME sort of weight program (crazy idea, I know).  And is now a professional athlete and PROBABLY lifts some weights here and there for his job.

So you're telling me that any strong man in the world who runs fast is on steroids?  OK.  Makes sense.  Derrick Rose must be shooting up every day.  Adrian Peterson?  Roids for sure.  Andre Johnson?  Absolutely.  Chris Johnson?  Maurice Jones Drew?  Michael Turner?  Tim Tebow?  Vince Young?  Blake Griffin?  Dwyane Wade?  Lebron James?  The list goes on and on.

But no, nobody in the NFL is on steroids BESIDES the guy who has football running through his veins and has since he was born.

I don't know whether Clay is on roids or not, but neither do you, so don't pretend you do.  He probably isn't going to be a skinny unathletic guy with the genes that he has...

Lighten up, Francis. Also, none of those guys who you mentioned were undersized back-ups in HS who suddenly gained 80+ pounds of muscle.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2011, 08:26:41 AM
Typical, just keep up personally attacks instead of using a logical argument. Congrats, you're the first person I've used the "ignore" button on.

Victory!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 19, 2011, 08:44:40 AM
(http://view3.picapp.com/pictures.photo/image/1542340/baltimore-ravens-chicago/baltimore-ravens-chicago.jpg?size=380&imageId=1542340)


This Bear looks like he's on the same friggin steroid Secretariat was on.  No anabolic steroids (or more likely these days HGH) have never gotten into the Bears program. ::)



Of course they have.  Any NFL fan who points to opponents and cries roids is either naive or dense on the subject.  It's a waste of time.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2011, 08:47:24 AM
(http://view3.picapp.com/pictures.photo/image/1542340/baltimore-ravens-chicago/baltimore-ravens-chicago.jpg?size=380&imageId=1542340)


This Bear looks like he's on the same friggin steroid Secretariat was on.  No anabolic steroids (or more likely these days HGH) have never gotten into the Bears program. ::)



Of course they have.  Any NFL fan who points to opponents and cries roids is either naive or dense on the subject.  It's a waste of time.

Well, you sure seem to be wasting a lot of time on it.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: LON on January 19, 2011, 08:51:56 AM
I'm just surprised that all the CHI fans managed to find their Bears jerseys again after they got buried under all their new Blackhawks swag...


/throws grenade
//I love hate-week
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 19, 2011, 09:09:42 AM
I'm just surprised that all the CHI fans managed to find their Bears jerseys again after they got buried under all their new Blackhawks swag...


/throws grenade
//I love hate-week

While they're hunting they can dig out the Cubs gear for when pitchers and catchers report on Feb 14th.  This is finally the year when they end the drought.

/Reads newspaper article on the sh*tty job Ricketts has done thus far
//Looks at Cubs roster

Bwahahahahaha!!!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 19, 2011, 09:11:48 AM
"As far as football rivalries we're both number 1"
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 19, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
Lighten up, Francis. Also, none of those guys who you mentioned were undersized back-ups in HS who suddenly gained 80+ pounds of muscle.


Fair enough.  What about Jordan then?  Cut his sophomore year to best player ever?  Skinnier than me in college (that's definitely saying something) to a pretty strong guy.  I definitely don't believe Jordon was on roids (or a lot of those guys...wouldn't surprise me if Wade - seriously, look at the size of his 2 years ago to now compared to when he was at MU - Peterson, or Lebron was at some piont), but just because a guy wasn't an amazing player at one point and then became one doesn't mean he is on roids.

To go along with that, in my opinion Clay Matthews is good because of his work effort.  You've seen the guy play...he just NEVER stops.  He doesn't take plays off, he doesn't go at it half-heartedly.  Every play he is going balls to the walls.  Obviously he has athletic talent in that he is extremely strong and very fast, but to me what makes him very good is his motor, and that has nothing to do with his physical tools.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 19, 2011, 09:59:33 AM
Absoluetly nothing to do with the bears/packers.  But in all honesty, that guys rendition of the national anthem sucked big time.  On a side note, the bears fans screaming and cheering during the beginning, middle and end of the anthem was bad also.

My assumption is you've never seen/heard of/been to a Blackhawks game.

I don't know if I've ever seen/heard so much dislike towards a national anthem performance. For people in Chicago, it's been a news story. I don't expect Packer fans to care, but yikes, much to do about nothing.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 19, 2011, 10:02:17 AM
Who are the blackhawks?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: LON on January 19, 2011, 10:57:48 AM
Who are the blackhawks?

A team no one in Chicago knew until they were in the Stanley Cup Finals...


/piling on
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2011, 11:05:35 AM
Who are the blackhawks?

They're a championship-winning team located in Illinois. Wisconsites haven't seen one of those for a while so I can understand the confusion.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 19, 2011, 11:07:40 AM
Who are the blackhawks?

They are an NHL franchise.  You know, the thing Wisconsin tried to get by building the Bradley Center but failed.  :D

But really though, who do Wisconsin people cheer for in hockey?  Blackhawks?  Wild?  Red Wings? Predators?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 19, 2011, 11:14:21 AM
Hockey isn't big in Wisconsin

and it wasn't big in Illinois until 3 years ago
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 19, 2011, 11:15:28 AM
Quote
They're a championship-winning team located in Illinois. Wisconsites haven't seen one of those for a while so I can understand the confusion.

Please, one championship in a sport most of America doesn't follow and all of a sudden Illinois is a championship state, good one.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 19, 2011, 11:16:20 AM
They are an NHL franchise.  You know, the thing Wisconsin tried to get by building the Bradley Center but failed.  :D

But really though, who do Wisconsin people cheer for in hockey?  Blackhawks?  Wild?  Red Wings? Predators?

Same team that Wisconsin people cheer for in pro basketball, the Packers.

In all seriousness though, with no NHL franchise pro hockey is pretty much written off and most people who enjoy hockey follow the Badgers.  Seasons overlap heavily with both them and the Pack, so it's not a top priority.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 19, 2011, 11:16:51 AM

But really though, who do Wisconsin people cheer for in hockey?  

What's hockey?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 19, 2011, 11:19:37 AM
Hockey isn't big in Wisconsin

and it wasn't big in Illinois until 3 years ago

Exactly.  Three years ago when Bill Wirtz died and his son finally put the games back on TV.   When this happened three years ago, the Hawks had the young studs but by no means were they a championship calibur team so it's not like everyone hopped on once they made the finals last year.

How many Brewers and Bucks fans would there be if they weren't on TV?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 19, 2011, 11:23:09 AM
Exactly.  Three years ago when Bill Wirtz died and his son finally put the games back on TV.   When this happened three years ago, the Hawks had the young studs but by no means were they a championship calibur team so it's not like everyone hopped on once they made the finals last year.

How many Brewers and Bucks fans would there be if they weren't on TV?

Given the fact that I can remember a time in the not so distant past where only about 1 game per week was televised, and now they're only televised on cable, about the same amount (still not a huge number, especially for the Bucks).

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 19, 2011, 12:39:32 PM
Exactly.  Three years ago when Bill Wirtz died and his son finally put the games back on TV.   When this happened three years ago, the Hawks had the young studs but by no means were they a championship calibur team so it's not like everyone hopped on once they made the finals last year.

How many Brewers and Bucks fans would there be if they weren't on TV?

I started following the Hawks again the day the old man died.  He tried his damnest to kill that franchise.  But his kid and the guy that got from the cubs that does the marketing stuff did a great job.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ATWizJr on January 19, 2011, 12:58:26 PM
Hockey isn't big in Wisconsin

and it wasn't big in Illinois until 3 years ago
[/quote  College hockey is.  UW men and women have both been national champs multiple times.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 19, 2011, 01:25:39 PM
They're a championship-winning team located in Illinois. Wisconsites haven't seen one of those for a while so I can understand the confusion.


West Allis Lightning Boys 16 and Under Junior Olympic Open (highest) Division National Champions.  Boys club volleyball brought a National Championship to Wisconsin on July 6, 2010, so that's pretty recent ;).  We actually beat a team from Chicago in the championship (Ultimate Gold).

http://usavolleyball.org/news/2010/07/06/west-allis-lightning-vaqueros-win-16s-titles-at-usav-boys-jnc/37059
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 19, 2011, 01:38:11 PM
West Allis Lightning Boys 16 and Under Junior Olympic Open (highest) Division National Champions.  Boys club volleyball brought a National Championship to Wisconsin on July 6, 2010, so that's pretty recent ;).  We actually beat a team from Chicago in the championship (Ultimate Gold).

http://usavolleyball.org/news/2010/07/06/west-allis-lightning-vaqueros-win-16s-titles-at-usav-boys-jnc/37059

Ha! Fair enough. You got me  ;D
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 19, 2011, 01:42:56 PM
Quote
Hockey isn't big in Wisconsin

and it wasn't big in Illinois until 3 years ago
[/quote  College hockey is.  UW men and women have both been national champs multiple times.

Like I said, Hockey isn't big in Wisconsin
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: jesmu84 on January 19, 2011, 02:55:19 PM
My assumption is you've never seen/heard of/been to a Blackhawks game.

I don't know if I've ever seen/heard so much dislike towards a national anthem performance. For people in Chicago, it's been a news story. I don't expect Packer fans to care, but yikes, much to do about nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Blackhawks

"National anthem

It is a tradition for Blackhawks fans to applaud and cheer loudly during the singing of the national anthems. This tradition originated during a 1985 Campbell Conference playoff game at Chicago Stadium versus the Edmonton Oilers.[36]"

also, this was a big deal   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvpxVE_kQXg

it's a BIG tradition that was carried over to the bears' game. i'm in favor of it if it gets the crowd charged up.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 19, 2011, 02:59:35 PM
I think it is disrespectful for what it is worth.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 19, 2011, 02:59:42 PM
They are an NHL franchise.  You know, the thing Wisconsin tried to get by building the Bradley Center but failed.  :D

But really though, who do Wisconsin people cheer for in hockey?  Blackhawks?  Wild?  Red Wings? Predators?

WINGS.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: reinko on January 19, 2011, 03:14:59 PM
Bruins!  Live here now, and since MKE doesn't have a NHL team, I'm allowed to adopt them.

Fire it up B's!!!!!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on January 19, 2011, 03:23:08 PM
also, this was a big deal   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvpxVE_kQXg

it's a BIG tradition that was carried over to the bears' game. i'm in favor of it if it gets the crowd charged up.

this still gives me goosebumps. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 19, 2011, 03:43:05 PM
WINGS.


I was a Wings fan up until the strike(s)/lockout(s).
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 19, 2011, 04:26:19 PM
Bruins!  Live here now, and since MKE doesn't have a NHL team, I'm allowed to adopt them.

Fire it up B's!!!!!

Sorry about the playoffs last year.  Tough exit!  I would have rather seen you advance than Philly.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 19, 2011, 06:07:25 PM
I'm going to assume you're not a Blackhawk fan, or you didn't watch the opening of Seahawks/Bears on Sunday. Darren Rovell tweeted that Cornelision's anthem before Seahawks/Bears was the best national anthem performance ever.

Rovell is on crack.  It was good, but please.  Roseanne Barr's was the best.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on January 19, 2011, 06:11:10 PM
Rovell is on crack.  It was good, but please.  Roseanne Barr's was the best.

I think you may be forgetting Carl Lewis.  I don't know which was worse.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJLvCM4j2mg
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 19, 2011, 06:12:45 PM
Not to nit-pick, but I think it can be argued here that he's not exactly jacked in this picture; but like I said, I give him the benefit of the doubt until he's proven guilty.  I won't fault the guy for having played for a cheating coach at a cheating program, and having a cheating roommate.

(http://moblog.whmsoft.net/shared_images/en/clay-matthews_27c9ea9e72dd4ee39927c6db4ebdce03.jpg)

Here are a few others of him at USC

(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/52/523185.jpg)

(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/52/523222.jpg)

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/103755/matthews.jpg)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 20, 2011, 08:52:26 AM
There is a lot to be said for a football family with football genes.

Grandpa, Dad, Uncle and soon to be brother in NFL
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 20, 2011, 11:30:22 AM
What's hockey?

Wisconsin may have to learn what hockey is if the NFL and NBA both lockout next season.  That has to be the NHL's dream come true.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: rugbydrummer on January 20, 2011, 01:30:49 PM
Wisconsin may have to learn what hockey is if the NFL and NBA both lockout next season.  That has to be the NHL's dream come true.

Or the WNBA women's NCAA / AFL / MISL  ;D
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Jay Bee on January 20, 2011, 01:37:09 PM
Who is that pretty blonde girl lifting weights and in football pads? 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 20, 2011, 01:48:56 PM
Who is that pretty blonde girl lifting weights and in football pads? 

Wow. Lame.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 20, 2011, 02:02:08 PM
Who is that pretty blonde girl lifting weights and in football pads? 

 :o   you are attracted to Clay Matthews? 

not that there's anything wrong with that
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on January 20, 2011, 02:05:09 PM
DJO Pump Fake..."Peppers had 2 tackles and no sacks against the worst playoff team in NFL history, AT HOME"


Technically, according to football insiders, they were the 2nd worst all time.

The worst would have to be the Saints since they lost to the 2nd worst all time.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: LON on January 20, 2011, 02:24:44 PM
Who is that pretty blonde girl lifting weights and in football pads? 

We all secretly knew you wanted to be hogtied by Jared Allen but I never thought you wanted to be Clay's bear.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 20, 2011, 02:28:05 PM
Jesus...the Score has been darn near unlistenable this week.  "Meatball Nirvana" is starting to kill me.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 20, 2011, 02:58:58 PM
Quote
Jesus...the Score has been darn near unlistenable this week.  "Meatball Nirvana" is starting to kill me.

This week?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 20, 2011, 03:20:27 PM
Jesus...the Score has been darn near unlistenable this week.  "Meatball Nirvana" is starting to kill me.

I agree. Just terrible.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 20, 2011, 04:03:02 PM
From the fine folks over at KSK (semi-NSFW), a history of the Packers Bears rivalry

http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2011/01/a-fat-peoples-history-of-the-packers-bears-rivalry.html#more-34144 (http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2011/01/a-fat-peoples-history-of-the-packers-bears-rivalry.html#more-34144)

My favorite comes from the comments

1993 – Reggie White decides to sign with the Packers, noting Green Bay’s scarcity of Asians trying to turn his television into a wristwatch.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 20, 2011, 04:24:51 PM
:o   you are attracted to Clay Matthews? 

not that there's anything wrong with that

But he's not attracted to actual hotties which is even more disturbing.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 20, 2011, 04:32:37 PM
Didn't realize that Terry McAulay was the ref for the Pack/Bears Monday night game earlier this season, but he'll be the ref Sunday afternoon. Rest of the crew is an all star crew, so it'll be interesting to see how many (if any) of his crew calls the game Sunday.

Hochuli gets the AFC title game.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 21, 2011, 06:27:09 AM
Packers fans better be sure to say a prayer and thank Papa Bear Halas before they go to bed......

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-haugh-halas-jan19,0,3055257.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-bears-haugh-halas-jan19,0,3055257.column)

Quote
But perhaps Halas' biggest contribution to his football neighbor 185 miles to the north went beyond supporting stadium projects that kept afloat teams in small markets such as Green Bay. When the Packers needed to hire a coach at the end of the 1958 season, team President Dominic Olejniczak sought Halas' opinion.

"Vince Lombardi's your man,'' Halas told Olejniczak.

Indeed he was. No wonder when Halas died in 1983, Olejniczak was quoted in newspapers as saying, "The Packers could not have had a better friend than George Halas."

Quote
With the Packers facing the threat of NFL relocation unless city residents approved a new football stadium, Halas boldly sought to keep his field enemies closer to Chicago.



Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 21, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
Packers fans better be sure to say a prayer and thank Papa Bear Halas before they go to bed......


I think you have that backwards...
http://www.asseeninwi.com/fact-bears-owner-borrowed-1500-from-green-bay
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 21, 2011, 01:54:42 PM
The article I posted states that as well.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 21, 2011, 02:13:48 PM
man we need this game to get here soon
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 21, 2011, 04:47:19 PM
The article I posted states that as well.

In that case, why wouldn't you point out both instead of just saying how thankful packers fans should be. Considering the Packers made their gesture first (IIRC), that would probably play into why Halas was so supportive of the Pack considering he was bailed out by them.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 21, 2011, 10:23:52 PM
In that case, why wouldn't you point out both instead of just saying how thankful packers fans should be. Considering the Packers made their gesture first (IIRC), that would probably play into why Halas was so supportive of the Pack considering he was bailed out by them.

Obviously because that doesn't help my case haha.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 22, 2011, 09:57:33 AM
There's not nearly enough vitriol on this board given the magnitude of the game. I'd guess that at least 75% of the board considers one of the teams to be 'their' team.  

With that, I'm co-opting an MU tradition and saying "The Bears are evil and must be destroyed"

If you don't believe me, just take the opinion of respected TV journalist Stephen Colbert

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/210979/december-01-2008/exclusive---godless-killing-machines-mash-up
 (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/210979/december-01-2008/exclusive---godless-killing-machines-mash-up)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 22, 2011, 10:20:05 AM
Keep MU out of this cheesehead.  Enjoy the last weekend of your season.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 22, 2011, 11:13:57 AM
Quote
Keep MU out of this cheesehead.  Enjoy the last weekend of your season.

That's more like it.  

I've got a friend who's a grade school teacher in a Chicago suburb.  She's also, unfortunately, a Bears fan. This became a point of discussion in class this week as it's easy to amuse kids with talking about sports.  So she tells the class how much she LOVES the Bears and how they're going to win yadda yadda yadda and being in the Chicago area, most of the kids agree with her.  Except there's this one little girl who (bless her soul) claims she's a Packers fan.  My friend asked why and she said " cause Mommy and Daddy are Packers fans and I love Aaron Rodgers."  My friend, never one to be completely tactful responds with "what if your daddy was an idiot and your mommy was a moron, then what would you be?"  

The girl looked at her for a minute and responded "A Bears fan!"
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 22, 2011, 11:18:15 AM
That's more like it.  

I've got a friend who's a grade school teacher in a Chicago suburb.  She's also, unfortunately, a Bears fan. This became a point of discussion in class this week as it's easy to amuse kids with talking about sports.  So she tells the class how much she LOVES the Bears and how they're going to win yadda yadda yadda and being in the Chicago area, most of the kids agree with her.  Except there's this one little girl who (bless her soul) claims she's a Packers fan.  My friend asked why and she said " cause Mommy and Daddy are Packers fans and I love Aaron Rodgers."  My friend, never one to be completely tactful responds with "what if your daddy was an idiot and your mommy was a moron, then what would you be?"  

The girl looked at her for a minute and responded "A Bears fan!"


Despite the length of this, I saw the entire thing on a t-shirt once except it had the Cubs and Sox.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 22, 2011, 11:22:11 AM
Despite the length of this, I saw the entire thing on a t-shirt once except it had the Cubs and Sox.


Sox fans can read?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: jmayer1 on January 22, 2011, 03:24:44 PM
Pack 31
Bears 16

If the Pack can neutralize Hester and Peppers I think they could win this one comfortably, but what the heck do I know, my predictions are almost never right.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 22, 2011, 08:44:36 PM
Pack 31
Bears 16

If the Pack can neutralize Hester and Peppers I think they could win this one comfortably, but what the heck do I know, my predictions are almost never right.

My father-in-law is a Bears fan and he picked the exact same score as you.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MUFC9295 on January 22, 2011, 08:52:02 PM
Packers 31-17.  I expect some sandlot bullsh!t from the NFL team of Illinois.  16 - that's alot of kicking.  Expect to see more "going for it on 4th" especially when behind.

Game can't come soon enough. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 22, 2011, 08:53:06 PM
Well, last week I watched MU squander a second half lead and the Pack came out and destroyed their opponent.  Here's hoping it happens again.

Go Pack Go!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 22, 2011, 09:03:40 PM
Nfl channel replay right now.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 22, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
Well, last week I watched MU squander a second half lead and the Pack came out and destroyed their opponent.  Here's hoping it happens again.

Go Pack Go!

Last week I watched MU squander a second half lead and the Bears came out and destroyed their opponent.  Here's hoping it happens again.

Bears 23-21 on a Robbie Gould FG as time expires. Super Bears! Super Bowl!


EDIT: OK, that's not really "destroying" their opponent, but a win is a win.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 23, 2011, 12:30:09 PM
Tick tock...  Bear down.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 12:31:44 PM
Weather looks good....advantage Packers
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 23, 2011, 12:33:57 PM
Gonna shortly have a house full of fans...some Bears, some Packers (just my family) and a bunch of Colts fans who we enticed by a free beer offer.  It will be fun regardless because this is what it should be about.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 23, 2011, 01:09:20 PM
Gonna shortly have a house full of fans...some Bears, some Packers (just my family) and a bunch of Colts fans who we enticed by a free beer offer.  It will be fun regardless because this is what it should be about.

Who are the Colts fans cheering for?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2011, 01:14:29 PM
Weather looks good....advantage Packers

There was 4 inches of snow overnight, winds starting to kick up, chance of snow in the 2nd half.

Advantage: neither team.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 01:46:01 PM
There was 4 inches of snow overnight, winds starting to kick up, chance of snow in the 2nd half.

Advantage: neither team.



If the winds do pick up and snow starts, I'd agree with you.  If they don't, I think it helps the Packers.  Who knows.  Should be a fun game.  I'm sure the losers will blame the refs either way.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: lab_warrior on January 23, 2011, 02:46:54 PM
Why the fuss?  The Packers are going to destroy the Bears.  Book it.  I'm a Bear fan, and I know that much.  This game will be a bloodbath.  Just get it over with already.  Looking forward to Cubs season, where I can watch Matt Garza go 10-15 with a 4.00 ERA, Carlos Pena hit .220 with 25 HRs, and have the Cubs finish 25 game out of first. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 02:52:40 PM
Better hope that bad weather starts soon or this game is over
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MUFC9295 on January 23, 2011, 03:18:57 PM
Clear skies in the west loop.  But the weather won't do anything to help the way this first half is going.  Cmon Pack!  Keep it up!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: willie warrior on January 23, 2011, 04:41:17 PM
The Bears are a bunch od candy asses!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Josey Wales on January 23, 2011, 05:17:41 PM
GO PACK GO!! WE ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL BABY!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2011, 05:29:21 PM
BEARS DOWN!

SUPER BOWL!

Hope you enjoyed your NFC North Championship Bears.  We'll take the NFC Title.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2011, 05:36:52 PM
Congrats to the Pack, good luck in the Super Bowl.

Odd game, Pack getting the ball first ultimately probably won them the game. The two Bears drives in the first half that stalled between the Green Bay 35-40 really cost the Bears, being in no man's land. Rodgers tackle of Urlacher may have saved the Pack as well. Shocked how poorly the Pack played in the second half, offensively especially, mediocre at best. The two picks defensively obviously made the difference in the end, as Capers had a mysterious second half, really bizarre.

Would have been amazing if a third string QB had finished off the comeback, give Hanie props for doing a hell of a job. Just didn't have enough to finish the job, oh well.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: jmayer1 on January 23, 2011, 05:41:26 PM
Super Pack, Super Bowl!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: HansMoleman on January 23, 2011, 05:42:22 PM
GO PACK GO!! WE ARE GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL BABY!

"WE"?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 23, 2011, 05:43:23 PM
Yes, we.

Not the Bears, not "you".
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Markusquette on January 23, 2011, 05:54:09 PM
Feels so good.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Josey Wales on January 23, 2011, 05:54:27 PM
"WE"?

Not the Bears, thats for sure.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 23, 2011, 06:08:20 PM
Congrats to the Pack for sticking it out and winning all these games in a row.  Looks like your front office made the right decision at QB.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 06:09:19 PM
A 7 point game that never seemed in doubt.  Congrats to the Packers
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 23, 2011, 06:10:45 PM
Lotta questions about Cutler's toughness.  Biggest swing in the game beyond Cutler going down was how GB's special teams outplayed Chicago's.  Tim Masthay (GB punter) deserves a game ball on this one.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: HansMoleman on January 23, 2011, 06:18:08 PM
Yes, we.

Not the Bears, not "you".
You must be one of the "shareholders" then.
Title: All the anti Ted and McCarthy folks still around?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 06:23:42 PM
???


LOL.  There were a lot of you the last few years.  A lot of people running another board especially.  Good for Rodgers.  Favre is probably texting himself with duck pix.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: reinko on January 23, 2011, 06:38:58 PM
Keep trying to make yourself feel better Moles.  Keep trying.

 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 23, 2011, 06:41:44 PM
Julius Peppers was a beast. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 23, 2011, 06:44:04 PM
Julius Peppers was a beast. 

Apparently two tackles now qualifies for beast status.  If anybody was a beast on the Bears' side that game it was Urlacher single handedly keeping them in it.

At least all you Cubs fans can look forward to Matt Garza reporting in a couple of weeks. Bwahahahaha!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 23, 2011, 06:48:08 PM
What an ugly game. Hard to believe those were the 2 best teams in the NFC. Kudos to the Packers for having the less bad performance.

Cutler better be ready for a LONG offseason. Not only will his toughness constantly be questioned but his 3 inexcusable overthrows of Hester in the 1st half cost the Bears at least 13 points, possibly more.

Go (fill in AFC Champ)!!!!!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2011, 06:48:48 PM
A 7 point game that never seemed in doubt.  Congrats to the Packers

I would argue it was very much in doubt.

What will be funny about this game, is that if this was not a playoff game, all you'd be hearing right now is "Wow, that was almost one of the ultimate choke jobs ever, Pack really needs to play better next week."

Given, it's not Week 10, but yes, for Pack fans it's as exciting as it can be, but as a lot of the national media is pointing out, that was a bizarre game by the Pack, and nearly one of the all time worst choke jobs. They were clearly the better team, and to nearly lose to a third string QB, up 14 in the second half, nearly happened.

Good thing for the Pack is they have 2 weeks to fix things up.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 23, 2011, 06:54:58 PM
We started going conservative cause we knew the Bears would have trouble moving the ball.

Should have kept throwing and the game would have been over early with a fg or td on the drive but Rodgers threw a pick.

Rodgers had a terrible game and we still whooped Bear azz.

Kudos Dom Capers first and foremost in this game.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 23, 2011, 07:07:05 PM
At least all you Cubs fans can look forward to Matt Garza reporting in a couple of weeks. Bwahahahaha!

I'd say Chicago is doing just fine thank you and has plenty of reasons to be excited about our sports in 2011, including Matt Garza actually.  Keeping it in perspective, the Bears had the lowest expectations out of any of our teams and after getting over the bummer of this loss, fans will appreciate how much the Bears overachieved this year.

Gotta root for the NFC North in the Super Bowl.  The division has shown poorly last decade with only one Super Bowl appearance and a tough loss with Grossman.  We need a Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 23, 2011, 07:24:57 PM
Never a doubt.

Time to bring the Lombardi Trophy back home.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 23, 2011, 07:26:14 PM
Over after the first drive!

Bears still suck and peppers is still a cheap shot artist.

Bragging rights over chicago for life!

GO PACK GO!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 23, 2011, 07:31:57 PM
Who are the Colts fans cheering for?


The free beer.  They were amused by the tension in the room more than anything.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 07:32:55 PM
I think Pittsburgh defeats Green Bay
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2011, 07:35:14 PM
I think Pittsburgh defeats Green Bay

Agreed, if the Pack plays like they did today, and the Steelers play like they are playing right now, Steelers win, no doubt.

Would be a rematch of that insane game at Heinz Field a year ago, where the Steelers won at the gun on that crazy Wallace TD.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: GGGG on January 23, 2011, 07:47:25 PM
Oh...I forgot about that game.  Damn.

I think it will be a good one just like the NFCCG.  The Bears D has always matched up well against Rodgers.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 23, 2011, 07:59:07 PM
Quote
I think Pittsburgh defeats Green Bay

At least the bears will be watching!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2011, 08:05:42 PM
At least the bears will be watching!

So basically what you're saying is beating the Bears, and losing in the Super Bowl, is ok with you?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2011, 08:16:27 PM
So basically what you're saying is beating the Bears, and losing in the Super Bowl, is ok with you?

Yes.  2 teams make it to the Super Bowl.  If we lose to the Steelers in the Super Bowl I will not be disappointed by the season we had.  Especially when you consider that we have 9 season opener starters on the IR.  (By the way, that was a great thread..."Thanks for nothing Ted Thompson"  nomorebuycks was sure right, we really, REALLY missed out by not getting Marshawn Lynch.  With him that pushes us into the Super Bowl talk, but with absolutely no ground game and a 1 ypc average we won't win a game in the playo....wait a minute.  When does nomorebuycks's timeout end on this forum?)  Thompson has done the best job in the NFL with this roster.

As far as the Super Bowl I think the Steelers are really good and should probably be the favorite, but I wouldn't look too much into each of the team's performances this week in order to analyze what will happen in 2 weeks.  The Packers were playing the Bears, who they've seen 3 times this season.  The Packers know what the Bears do, and the Bears know what the Packers do.  They're very familiar with each other (I realize that the Super Bowl teams will be familiar with each other because they get 2 weeks to prepare, but it's one thing to study film and another thing to play each other twice).  The Packers were also on the road.

Let's keep in mind that the Packers just went on the road and beat Phili (3 seed), Atlanta (1 seed), and Chicago (2 seed) just to make it to the Super Bowl.  Was it in ugly game?  Yes.  Are the Packers still one of the hottest teams in the NFL?  Absolutely.

Again, if I had to put my money on a team this second I'd probably bet for Pittsburgh as well, but not because of the performances today.  Heck, Pittsburgh was a dropped catch at two different points from losing to Baltimore last week.  Things change from week to week.  Last week Green Bay puts up 41, this week they struggle to put up 21.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Markusquette on January 23, 2011, 08:22:10 PM
First off, if they Pack show up like they did today it will be hard.  Defense played great minus one possession, and offense couldn't quite get it going all game.  BUT, if they show up like they did vs. the Falcons it's their game to lose.  Green Bay's offense is a bit streaky, but the D is strong, especially this post season.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: lab_warrior on January 23, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
As someone who is a fan of a team who has lost a SB recently, (2007): to get to a SB and lose is the same as not making the playoffs.  You play the game to win.  Period.  Anything with 2007 "NFC Champs"  logo on it makes me laugh.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 23, 2011, 08:22:28 PM
Agreed, if the Pack plays like they did today, and the Steelers play like they are playing right now, Steelers win, no doubt.


Bears had a lot to do with the way the Packers played today (and a couple weeks ago). After the firts quarter, that was Bears' football. That said, I expect the Steelers probably will and should be about a 4 point favorite.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 23, 2011, 08:22:52 PM
Yes.  2 teams make it to the Super Bowl.  If we lose to the Steelers in the Super Bowl I will not be disappointed by the season we had.  Especially when you consider that we have 9 season opener starters on the IR.  (By the way, that was a great thread..."Thanks for nothing Ted Thompson"  nomorebuycks was sure right, we really, REALLY missed out by not getting Marshawn Lynch.  With him that pushes us into the Super Bowl talk, but with absolutely no ground game and a 1 ypc average we won't win a game in the playo....wait a minute.  When does nomorebuycks's timeout end on this forum?)  Thompson has done the best job in the NFL with this roster.

As far as the Super Bowl I think the Steelers are really good and should probably be the favorite, but I wouldn't look too much into each of the team's performances this week in order to analyze what will happen in 2 weeks.  The Packers were playing the Bears, who they've seen 3 times this season.  The Packers know what the Bears do, and the Bears know what the Packers do.  They're very familiar with each other.  The Packers were also on the road.

Let's keep in mind that the Packers just went on the road and beat Phili (3 seed), Atlanta (1 seed), and Chicago (2 seed) just to make it to the Super Bowl.  Was it in ugly game?  Yes.  Are the Packers still one of the hottest teams in the NFL?  Absolutely.

Again, if I had to put my money on a team this second I'd probably bet for Pittsburgh as well, but not because of the performances today.  And I would not be surprised at all to see Green Bay win.

Well said (seriously). I'd say, as a Bears fan, it was a great season. After losing back to back games at home to Seattle and Washington, all I could think was a top 10 draft pick. For them to host the NFC title game was nothing short of remarkable.

Agreed, Pack deserve to be playing for the Super Bowl, they played their tails off these last 5 weeks to make the playoffs and get to this point. As a Bears fan it's frustrating because the two worst Packer games in these last 5 weeks were to the Bears, but to the victor goes the spoils. They'll represent the NFC well, I think Pittsburgh beats them, but either way, it'll be a close game. No doubt they can win the Super Bowl, I just think Pittsburgh is better (especially if Smith can play).
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 23, 2011, 08:22:57 PM
brian schoettenheimer is a mediocre play caller.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2011, 08:45:11 PM
Well said (seriously). I'd say, as a Bears fan, it was a great season. After losing back to back games at home to Seattle and Washington, all I could think was a top 10 draft pick. For them to host the NFC title game was nothing short of remarkable.

Agreed, Pack deserve to be playing for the Super Bowl, they played their tails off these last 5 weeks to make the playoffs and get to this point. As a Bears fan it's frustrating because the two worst Packer games in these last 5 weeks were to the Bears, but to the victor goes the spoils. They'll represent the NFC well, I think Pittsburgh beats them, but either way, it'll be a close game. No doubt they can win the Super Bowl, I just think Pittsburgh is better (especially if Smith can play).

Absolutely, the Bears far exceeded their expectations going into the season.  I have a roommate from Chicago and he was never optimistic about the Bears.  I said since before the season started that Cutler could not have had a worse year than he had last year and he would be much improved.  After their 3-0 start (and then 4-0 obviously) I thought the Bears would make the playoffs, but I didn't think they'd be the #2 seed, or even the NFC North Champions.

The Packers two worst games in the five week stretch they've had were both to the Bears, but that's because the Bears always make it tough on the Packers (and vice versa).  Rarely will either of the teams blow the other team out, even if one is 12-3 and the other is 5-10.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 23, 2011, 08:49:16 PM
Super Bowl XLV

Packers vs. Steelers

Dallas, TX

Sounds beautiful!!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2011, 08:52:25 PM
Super Bowl XLV

Packers vs. Steelers

Dallas, TX

Sounds beautiful!!

I can't stand the Jets.  Why start shoving while the other team is taking a knee?  Classless.  They run their mouths so much and show absolutely no respect for the game.

Do feel for LT though.  He is the one class act and he deserves a championship ring.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 23, 2011, 08:52:41 PM
Steelers 34-17*


* - unless the Packers are lucky enough to play against a 3rd-string QB again
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 23, 2011, 09:07:21 PM
Heck of a d coordinator match up.

Dick LeBeau vs. Ernest "Dom" Capers


Mike McCarthy vs.  Bruce Arians on O.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 23, 2011, 09:08:11 PM
Heck of a d coordinator match up.

Dick LeBeau vs. Ernest "Dom" Capers


Mike McCarthy vs.  Bruce Arians on O.

Can't believe this is Dom's first Super Bowl appearance.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 23, 2011, 09:11:41 PM
Early line has Pack as 2 1/2 point favorites.  I feel pretty good about them being able to to hang some points on the Steelers' defense, especially on the fast field in Dallas.  If the special teams is as strong as it was today, I like Green Bay's chances.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Sir Lawrence on January 23, 2011, 09:12:55 PM
So how does Favre inject himself into the Super Bowl run down..................?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 23, 2011, 09:14:30 PM
So how does Favre inject himself into the Super Bowl run down..................?

Doesn't need to, the national media will do it for him. Happened already for the NFC championship game.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 23, 2011, 09:19:26 PM
Pack favored by 1.5
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 09:46:26 PM
Pack favored by 1.5

I remember the last time Green Bay was favored in a Super Bowl.....of course they don't have the human turnover machine as their QB this time around.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 23, 2011, 10:01:03 PM
I remember the last time Green Bay was favored in a Super Bowl.....of course they don't have the human turnover machine as their QB this time around.

Not sure what you're referencing with that statement.  If you mean the '98 Super Bowl between the Packers and Broncos I think you've got your facts mixed up. Favre was co-MVP that season with Barry Sanders and still at the height of his career.  In the Super Bowl he had three TD's and only one pick.  Hardly a turnover machine.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 23, 2011, 10:12:38 PM
the swiss cheese run defense of the pack was the problem against the Broncos that game.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 23, 2011, 10:15:17 PM
the swiss cheese run defense of the pack was the problem against the Broncos that game.

This is correct, and as the Broncos proved in that game, and in the season that followed, their win was no upset. They were the better team.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: lab_warrior on January 23, 2011, 10:16:38 PM
Again, as a Bears fan, this season is a FAILURE.  We didn't get to, or win the SB.  Failure.  I really don't give a crap about "exceeding expectations" and all that other cliche bullcrap.  Failure.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: lab_warrior on January 23, 2011, 10:18:30 PM
the swiss cheese run defense of the pack was the problem against the Broncos that game.

You mean where Holmgren "let" the Broncos score?  What an embarrassment to football that was.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 23, 2011, 10:30:21 PM
Crap, who do I cheer for?  A rapist or the Packers......
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 11:14:29 PM
You mean where Holmgren "let" the Broncos score?  What an embarrassment to football that was.

It was the right play, though.  It almost worked for his team.  I must admit, I enjoyed that game very much. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2011, 11:17:45 PM
Not sure what you're referencing with that statement.  If you mean the '98 Super Bowl between the Packers and Broncos I think you've got your facts mixed up. Favre was co-MVP that season with Barry Sanders and still at the height of his career.  In the Super Bowl he had three TD's and only one pick.  Hardly a turnover machine.

Nope, nothing mixed up at all.  He had an interception which the Broncos cashed in for 7 points.  He had a fumble which the Broncos cashed in for 3 points.  The key was also WHEN it happened.

The Packers were up 7-0 and heavily favored.  They let the Broncos go down and score and tie the game.  Two plays later, Favre was intercepted.  The Broncos took the lead 14-7.  Packers get the ball back and 3 plays later, Favre fumbles.  Now it's 17-7 and Big Mo is on the Broncos side big time.  They believe they can win this game after nearly everyone saying they had no chance. 

Two HUGE turnovers that led to 10 points.  In the end, the Broncos won by 7.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 24, 2011, 07:27:36 AM
The Broncos still had to, and did, march 45 yards to get a td after the pick.  It wasn't in the realm of a pick 6.

And blaming Favre for the fumble is comical Chicos, he was blind sided on a blitz that was not picked up.


Denver rushed for damn near 200 yds and 14 rushing first downs.

 It's en vogue to trash Favre but you can't blame the game on one man, especially one who throws 3 tds.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 24, 2011, 08:17:51 AM
Nope, nothing mixed up at all.  He had an interception which the Broncos cashed in for 7 points.  He had a fumble which the Broncos cashed in for 3 points.  The key was also WHEN it happened.

The Packers were up 7-0 and heavily favored.  They let the Broncos go down and score and tie the game.  Two plays later, Favre was intercepted.  The Broncos took the lead 14-7.  Packers get the ball back and 3 plays later, Favre fumbles.  Now it's 17-7 and Big Mo is on the Broncos side big time.  They believe they can win this game after nearly everyone saying they had no chance. 

Two HUGE turnovers that led to 10 points.  In the end, the Broncos won by 7.

I don't disagree that Favre had turnovers in that game (although I agree with Stone Cold that the fumble was not his fault).  What I took umbrage with was the fact that by calling him a "human turnover machine" implied you'd expect him to just give the ball up once a quarter.  That's just not true.

Great players can have turnovers.  In fact, in that same game Elway had threw an interception IN THE ENDZONE (that's a pretty bad when if you ask me) that GB turned into a touchdown four plays later.  He also didn't throw a single TD. 

Favre's TD:TO ratio that game 3:2
Elway's TD:TO ratio that game 1:1  (he had a rushing TD)



Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 24, 2011, 08:33:34 AM
Favre's TD:TO ratio that game 3:2
Elway's TD:TO ratio that game 1:1  (he had a rushing TD)

More importantly...

Favre's team: 24
Elway's team: 31
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 24, 2011, 08:37:03 AM
More importantly...

Favre's team: 24
Elway's team: 31


That highlights my point exactly.  The team lost, not an individual player
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: LON on January 24, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
So happy I went to that game...even though the Pack almost gave it away at the end.

Except for a couple meatheads around us (they are at every stadium) I really enjoy Packers/Bears games

The chiding of Cutler in our section was just, hilarious.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: chapman on January 24, 2011, 08:47:00 AM
Nice geographical breakdown on the ESPN poll...
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 24, 2011, 08:54:38 AM
Nice geographical breakdown on the ESPN poll...

I love that Illinois and Minnesota are picking the Steelers!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 24, 2011, 09:28:29 AM
I love that Illinois and Minnesota are picking the Steelers!


I love that the Bears and Vikings will be watching from their couch!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 24, 2011, 10:14:05 AM
Well at lest we put to end the arguement of who the better quarterback is....  CALEB HANIE!

Cutler      31.8
Rodgers   55.4
Hanie      65.2
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 24, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
Well at lest we put to end the arguement of who the better quarterback is....  CALEB HANIE!

Cutler      31.8
Rodgers   55.4
Hanie      65.2


Rodgers first interception really dragged down that rating.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 24, 2011, 10:28:31 AM
Well at lest we put to end the argument of who the better quarterback is....  CALEB HANIE!

Cutler      31.8
Rodgers   55.4
Hanie      65.2



He also has the sweetest mustache.  I am glad Lovie had the stones to pull Collins.  He was horrific, which should come as no surprise based on his earlier performances this season.


And WTF is with the play call on 3 and 1.  Cmon martz, you are killing me. and if you are going to do that, can you at least use Hester or Forte, who was having a solid afternoon.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: wadesworld on January 24, 2011, 10:30:48 AM
And WTF is with the play call on 3 and 1.  Cmon martz, you are killing me. and if you are going to do that, can you at least use Hester or Forte, who was having a solid afternoon.



It was 3rd and 3, but yes, terrible playcall.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 24, 2011, 10:32:25 AM

He also has the sweetest mustache. 


Rodgers had Caleb beat.

(http://purplejesus.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/aaronrodgers001.jpg?w=400&h=400)


Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: mugrad2006 on January 24, 2011, 10:45:02 AM
You stay classy Chicago

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/)
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 24, 2011, 10:51:42 AM
It was 3rd and 3, but yes, terrible playcall.

Yep.  My bad.  Still a stupid call.

  And I believe this is the 2nd time in the last month where Lovie has called a timeout negating what appeared to be an effective original playcall. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 24, 2011, 10:54:11 AM
You stay classy Chicago

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/)

While it's obvious that most Packers fans are white trash, it's important to remember that, while most Bears fans are smart and respectful, there are also some who are Sox fans.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 24, 2011, 11:02:27 AM
I've had a bottle thrown at me from a car of Brewers fans for wearing a Cubs jersey as I was walking down the street after a Cubs/Brewers game.

Every fan base has idiots. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 24, 2011, 11:06:05 AM
packers fans are white trash hahah that's funny

i have seen both fans in action a lot, and packer fans are by far the more educated football fan than bears fans.

hence why they boo their own team at home.

packers fans never boo their team.

enjoy the couch cutler and urlacher!
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 24, 2011, 11:09:24 AM
You stay classy Chicago

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/)

It sounds like for the most part Bears fans were classy.  

I don't know how slowly we have to say this to fans in Wisconsin.  If the Bears or the Cubs or Sox or Bulls or Hawks are playing, we are going to root for them regardless of where the games are played.  Many times loudly.  We are not going to golf clap.  Also, may fans will consume alchohol during the game.  The game is going to get intense, but that is the point of being a sports fan.  I am sorry to hear that there are idiots in every fanbase, but there is really nothing to generalize on.  

Maybe there is a little bit of a cultural difference between Chicago and Wisconsin when it comes to how one should cheer on one's team.  I don't know why we always need to hear the broken record about how Chicago fans get too intense.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 24, 2011, 11:32:26 AM
packers fans are white trash hahah that's funny

i have seen both fans in action a lot, and packer fans are by far the more educated football fan than bears fans.

hence why they boo their own team at home.

packers fans never boo their team.

enjoy the couch cutler and urlacher!

Yes, Packer fans are god's gift to football fans across Earth. All Bear fans are convicted felons, kick dogs, steal from the church collection basket.

Studies have been done that prove how much greater of a football education the Packer fan has than any other fandom.

If Bears fans boo, it's because they have da fire and da passion!

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 24, 2011, 11:56:30 AM
Studies have been done that prove how much greater of a football education the Packer fan has than any other fandom.


Actually, the players were polled, and they said that Packers fans were the most knowledgable.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: 🏀 on January 24, 2011, 12:01:39 PM
Yes, Packer fans are god's gift to football fans across Earth. All Bear fans are convicted felons, kick dogs, steal from the church collection basket.

Studies have been done that prove how much greater of a football education the Packer fan has than any other fandom.

If Bears fans boo, it's because they have da fire and da passion!



At least the Bears fans were a bit quieter while the Bears had the ball.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 24, 2011, 12:07:55 PM
Actually, the players were polled, and they said that Packers fans were the most knowledgable.

Just sayin'.

Don't get me wrong, Packer fans are very knowledgable and among the best fans in the NFL, I wouldn't argue that for a second. They travel well, and I've always said on this site that at Bears games, there isn't a better fan (of opposing teams) than Packer fans.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 24, 2011, 12:09:02 PM
The Broncos still had to, and did, march 45 yards to get a td after the pick.  It wasn't in the realm of a pick 6.

And blaming Favre for the fumble is comical Chicos, he was blind sided on a blitz that was not picked up.


Denver rushed for damn near 200 yds and 14 rushing first downs.

 It's en vogue to trash Favre but you can't blame the game on one man, especially one who throws 3 tds.


I have a tough time giving the benefit of the doubt to the all-time fumbles leader in NFL history and the all-time interception leader in NFL history.  He was just way to fast and loose with the ball in my opinion. 

I do agree you can't blame it on one man, but those turnovers at the time of those turnovers were HUGE.  It gave them all the mo-jo they needed. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 24, 2011, 12:14:40 PM
6 degrees of separation for football in the state of Wisconsin?


TCU ruined football spirits for the Wisconsin Badgers.  TCU is in Dallas.

The Packers have historically played terrible in the city of Dallas...that is where this year's Super Bowl will be played.

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: LON on January 24, 2011, 12:20:17 PM
Yes, Packer fans are god's gift to football fans across Earth. All Bear fans are convicted felons, kick dogs, steal from the church collection basket.

Studies have been done that prove how much greater of a football education the Packer fan has than any other fandom.

If Bears fans boo, it's because they have da fire and da passion!



Which is why the announcer at Soldier Field gave instructions to the 4th Phase...that was cute.

"Make sure you get really loud when the Bears are on Defense only"

EDIT:  The fans around us were a lot of fun.  Some threatened my girlfriend and called her the c-bomb, but she said, "I'm kind of acting like one"

I just avoided all the other meatheads that kept running their mouth on the way out of the stadium by doing my Title Belt celebration and remaining quiet.

We can all agree though, Bears/Packers fans >>>>>>>> Vikings fans
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 24, 2011, 12:26:47 PM
Which is why the announcer at Soldier Field gave instructions to the 4th Phase...that was cute.

"Make sure you get really loud when the Bears are on Defense only"

EDIT:  The fans around us were a lot of fun.  Some threatened my girlfriend and called her the c-bomb, but she said, "I'm kind of acting like one"

I just avoided all the other meatheads that kept running their mouth on the way out of the stadium by doing my Title Belt celebration and remaining quiet.

We can all agree though, Bears/Packers fans >>>>>>>> Vikings fans

Amen, that "4th Phase" marketing fan campaign is about as lame as it gets. Couldn't agree with you more. Their marketing dept markets the hell out of it too, very annoying.

Also agree x infinity, if yesterday's game was Bears/Vikings (or Packers/Vikings), it would have been off the charts fighting/name calling, etc. That is one thing Bears/Packer fans can unite against.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MUBurrow on January 24, 2011, 01:44:23 PM
We can all agree though, Bears/Packers fans >>>>>>>> Vikings fans

wait, there are Vikings fans?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 24, 2011, 02:42:51 PM
packers fans are white trash hahah that's funny

i have seen both fans in action a lot, and packer fans are by far the more educated football fan than bears fans.

hence why they boo their own team at home.

packers fans never boo their team.

enjoy the couch cutler and urlacher!



This ought to be good.
 
And I'm a Packer fan.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 24, 2011, 02:49:17 PM
The Packers were up 7-0 and heavily favored.  They let the Broncos go down and score and tie the game.  Two plays later, Favre was intercepted.  The Broncos took the lead 14-7.  Packers get the ball back and 3 plays later, Favre fumbles.  Now it's 17-7 and Big Mo is on the Broncos side big time.  They believe they can win this game after nearly everyone saying they had no chance


The Broncos were better. I won't deny the turnovers were important, they always are, but who cares what nearly everyone said? Nearly everyone was wrong, and the Broncos went and proved it again the following season.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Blackhat on January 24, 2011, 04:24:14 PM
This threads been good times but I think there's just one last thing that has to be said and then this thread can be shut down:


DA BEARS STILL SUCK!!!






See ya next year suckas.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 24, 2011, 05:06:20 PM
Don't get me wrong, Packer fans are very knowledgable and among the best fans in the NFL, I wouldn't argue that for a second. They travel well, and I've always said on this site that at Bears games, there isn't a better fan (of opposing teams) than Packer fans.

part of this probably has to do with the 234590o873249805t6720 Packer programs that are on in the Green Bay area every week... glad that I don't have to live around them down here.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 24, 2011, 05:07:58 PM
Amen, that "4th Phase" marketing fan campaign is about as lame as it gets. Couldn't agree with you more. Their marketing dept markets the hell out of it too, very annoying.

Also agree x infinity, if yesterday's game was Bears/Vikings (or Packers/Vikings), it would have been off the charts fighting/name calling, etc. That is one thing Bears/Packer fans can unite against.
I cheered for the Bears when they were in the Super Bowl, and I can tell you I would openly root against the Vikings should they ever make it to the Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 24, 2011, 05:50:13 PM
You stay classy Chicago

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/)

http://deadspin.com/5741793/according-to-one-anonymous-witness-there-was-ultra+violence-against-pack-fans-at-soldier-field

Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 25, 2011, 06:53:41 AM
BTW, how many false start penalties did Julius Peppers force? I remember Donald Lee flinching a little on one play, but I don't recall any others.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ATWizJr on January 25, 2011, 06:59:21 AM
BTW, how many false start penalties did Julius Peppers force? I remember Donald Lee flinching a little on one play, but I don't recall any others.
  He more than gave that back with the helmet to helmet penalty he incurred.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: jesmu84 on January 25, 2011, 09:04:33 AM
 He more than gave that back with the helmet to helmet penalty he incurred.

I actually am of the belief that that was on purpose to try and rattle Rodgers or possibly try and knock him out of the game.  When watching the replay, it's obvious Peppers could have gone straight for the mid-section, even helmet first if he wanted.

ADD:

Yes, I'm a Bears fan. but just so everyone's clear, I'm certainly not condoning that type of hit, regardless of intention.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DegenerateDish on January 25, 2011, 09:15:51 AM
BTW, how many false start penalties did Julius Peppers force? I remember Donald Lee flinching a little on one play, but I don't recall any others.

He forced one false start, and one holding penalty on Clifton. The holding penalty by Wells wasn't against Peppers. As noted, he also nearly decapitated Rodgers.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 25, 2011, 11:23:13 AM
Quote
Quote from: mugrad2006 on January 24, 2011, 10:45:02 AM
You stay classy Chicago

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/24/bears-packers-fans-exchange-barbs-blows/

http://deadspin.com/5741793/according-to-one-anonymous-witness-there-was-ultra+violence-against-pack-fans-at-soldier-field

Unfortunately, is anyone surprised by this type of behavior from Chicago fans?

You would NEVER see that at Lambeau, NEVER
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 25, 2011, 11:34:51 AM
More from the sore loser department:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/114578864.html
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: JWags85 on January 25, 2011, 11:36:33 AM
Unfortunately, is anyone surprised by this type of behavior from Chicago fans?

You would NEVER see that at Lambeau, NEVER

Oh boy, here we go.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 25, 2011, 11:39:04 AM
You would NEVER see that at Lambeau, NEVER

Was this supposed to be in teal? If not, I highly doubt you have ever been to a game at Lambeau.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 25, 2011, 11:51:14 AM
More from the sore loser department:

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/114578864.html

That article doesn't really tell the whole story. This car dealership sponsors events with the Bears and has worked closely with the Bears in the past. If he refused to removed his Pepsi hat while working at McDonald's (who carries Coke products), he'd likely be let go as well. Yes, it was probably an overreaction from the boss but clearly this guy wasn't a very good salesman if they're willing to let him go over a dress code violation. In fact, it was probably the best thing for him because he'll be able to get a new job from a company looking for a PR boost and he'll get some cash from media outlets looking to spin this story into something that it really isn't.

Related story: I have a friend who works for Associated Bank and was told that he couldn't have his Buffalo Bills mug at work because AB sponsors the Packers. I think he should have hid that mug for other reasons but that's beside the point.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 25, 2011, 11:56:24 AM
Why didn't they just ask the guy to remove the tie?
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 25, 2011, 11:57:50 AM
Why didn't they just ask the guy to remove the tie?

They did...twice.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: tower912 on January 25, 2011, 12:04:50 PM
Go Steelers. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 25, 2011, 12:12:46 PM
Games DJO's Pump Fake has attended in last 3 years alone:

12/26/10 - NYG
11/07/10 - DAL
11/15/09 - DAL
09/21/08 - DAL
11/30/08 - CAR

Thanks for playing
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MerrittsMustache on January 25, 2011, 01:08:42 PM
Games DJO's Pump Fake has attended in last 3 years alone:

12/26/10 - NYG
11/07/10 - DAL
11/15/09 - DAL
09/21/08 - DAL
11/30/08 - CAR

Thanks for playing


So your comment was supposed to be in teal. Got it.
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: DJO's Pump Fake on January 25, 2011, 01:44:25 PM
nope, but thanks for the concern
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: MU B2002 on January 25, 2011, 03:48:31 PM
Stop kidding yourself, trashy stadium antics happen everywhere. 
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on January 26, 2011, 12:56:11 PM
Stop kidding yourself, trashy stadium antics happen everywhere beer is sold. 

FTFY  ;D
Title: Re: Packers vs. Bears Insanity
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 13, 2011, 10:59:53 PM
The Broncos still had to, and did, march 45 yards to get a td after the pick.  It wasn't in the realm of a pick 6.

And blaming Favre for the fumble is comical Chicos, he was blind sided on a blitz that was not picked up.


Denver rushed for damn near 200 yds and 14 rushing first downs.

 It's en vogue to trash Favre but you can't blame the game on one man, especially one who throws 3 tds.



Did you read the article the other day with the Packer execs that flat out said they should have beaten Denver, and how pissed off they were at Holmgren for leaving when he did.  I agree with them, Holmgren's power played caused a bad vibe and took their focus off, the Packers should have won that game.  The article I believe was in the Journal Sentinel.