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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: YoungMUFan4 on July 18, 2010, 04:25:13 PM
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Figured it would be easier for people to see them if it was just in one thread.
DJO and Erik Williams from Day 1
http://www.youtube.com/v/RGn3yjMuUak&hl=en_US&fs=1?rel=0&hd=1
Jamil Wilson, Jamail Jones, Junior Cadougan and Davante Gardner from Day 2
http://www.youtube.com/v/mR7xf-RI1xI&hl=en_US&fs=1?rel=0&hd=1
Bonus Vid: Wesley Matthews makes his debut (from Day 2)
http://www.youtube.com/v/D0v-VwL-VeM&hl=en_US&fs=1?rel=0&hd=1
DJO, Erik Williams, Chris Otule and Reggie Smith from Day 3
http://www.youtube.com/v/Rbn2BlFjnso&hl=en_US&fs=1?rel=0&hd=1
Bonus Vid: Trend Blackledge booms on defender
http://www.youtube.com/v/AicGRkaa2HY&hl=en_US&fs=1?rel=0&hd=1
Matthews, Otule, Smith and Blackledge from Day 4
http://www.youtube.com/v/D3fj_QAxSdA&hl=en_US&fs=1?rel=0&hd=1
Various Clips of Buycks, Fulce, Jones, Otule, Butler and Blue
http://www.youtube.com/v/rp8Y_6RL97M&hl=en_US&fs=1?rel=0&hd=1
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Thanks for putting these together Youngmufan.
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If you watch the Day 3 video (last one in this group) of DJO - there is a possesion where Number 24 blocks his shot, DJO gets it back, goes to the basket against 2 guys, with 24 trailing the play..24 goes to block shot again from behind, and DJO lets it go from an odd release point..ball rolls around rim..goes in and 24 just does a pirouette/oh man..damn kind of reaction - like what do I have to do stop this guy.
Thanks YoungMU for putting these up - great stuff. (Love Reggie Smith's speed/explosiveness)
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24 is Trend Blackledge
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A few things stood out for me.
-Cadougan looked like he's in excellent shape. Really quick and assertive. Hopefully his jumper continues to develop to keep the defense honest.
-Wilson looks he's gotten a good bit stronger since HS. He really covers a lot of ground with one dribble. Jumper looked good as well.
-Didn't think Gardner looked overweight at all. He seemed to have a habit of contorting his body when going up with the ball. Would love to see that turn into a more vertical move with some time with Todd.
Thanks for putting these up! I should be there hopefully Friday, and definitely Saturday. Looking forward to seeing these guys in person.
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Alex, you are the man! :)
Couldn't stop grinning from video 1 to video 4!
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Reggie Smith looks like he is in fast forward on the highlights. Super quick.
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I was able to go and watch the games on Friday night, and it was a lot of fun. Wes showed up, which was a nice surprise, and it was fun to get a look at all the new guys.
From what I saw, Gardner didn't look fat, and he was getting up and down pretty well. He even drove one in from the arc and layed it in late in the 4th quarter. Wilson was actually a bit bigger than I thought, and he got up very high for a dunk-putback late in his game. Vander is incredibly quick and has a pretty nice shot. Unfortunately, I didn't really get to see Jamail Jones, and Reggie Smith didn't play.
Of the guys we know about, DJO was just doing whatever he wanted, scoring from everywhere on the floor. Erik Williams was on DJO's team, and I thought he played well too. Jimmy didn't play, which ended up being the most fun part of the evening, because he was half coaching his team, half ripping on Frozena the whole time. (Every time Rob touches the ball, its like a point for our team! I love you Rob.) Jimmy is quite a character, and with Reggie and Jamil sitting right next to him after their game, it looks like he'll be a good team leader this year.
If you have the chance to go to one of these, you definitely should. Its very interesting to watch these guys in a smaller venue where you can really see how they interact. Plus, its fun watching some of the old players: I was able to see Wes knock down turnarounds again, and watch Ous jack some threes at the behest of Jimmy.
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Awesome thanks for the videos, great job.
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YoungMUFan making a strong case for "Scooper of the Year"
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My impressions from these videos:
--Cadougan is starting to look like the player we were all hoping for when he signed for us. Looks quick, and seems to have good finishing ability for someone who is billed as a pass-first pg. I agree with another poster who said his shot reminds him of Dominic James. At times he looks to be thinking about the form of his shot as he is shooting, something DJ did a lot. Hopefully he can avoid that.
--Reggie Smith also reminds me of DJ. He has that explosiveness, although he seems to be at least 2 inches taller than DJ.
--Erik Williams looks a ways away from being a skilled offensive player. He has an impressive frame though. I expect him to be a really nice player by his junior year. When you think about it though, when can he expect to start? Senior year at best, I'd say, with all the talented players on our roster who play similar positions.
--Otule is the big mystery to me. From the highlight videos, it certainly looks like theres something there. Reports that his hands are weak trouble me, however. I expect him to contribute (and improve greatly) this year, since he has size that we simply don't have anywhere else. We could actually have a size advantage at center in some games! Crazy, I know...
--Gardner looks in better condition than I expected. He doesn't seem like a true center, but he could be a mismatch on many as a PF. Regarding the way he contorts his body as he finishes, I actually see that as a positive. It is a way to make up for his lack of vertical leap. He sticks his body in to the defender, which allows him to use his very long arms and excellent hands to finish away from the defender's arms, even though he isn't above them. 100% agree that he needs to be more vertical, but he has a natural feel for finishing. And that NBA 3 was impressive. He looks about 6'8 to me, maybe a tiny bit less. Thats big enough though.
--Jamil Wilson has NBA written all over him. He is strong, explosive, has a great pull up game, has good range and form on his shot, and appears to be every bit of 6'7. It will be tough waiting to watch him play.
--Jamail Jones has beautiful form on his jumpshot.
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Let's all keep in mind a couple things. 1) These are highlight videos. It shows the player's best plays, so naturally they're going to look good. 2) This is a summer league that is pretty loose and there isn't much emphasis on defense. Again, these players can look great, but the players they are playing against are nowhere near Big East caliber. To go along with that, the Marquette players are much taller than almost any player they are matching up against in this league, which won't always be the case in the Big East.
I just don't want anybody looking TOO into what's happening at he Pro-Am and basing expectations off of some highlight films from it. This is as good as a pickup game on the playground. While it is nice to watch them play and get SOME idea as to what they can bring to the table, it is going to be very different seeing how the team can gel and play together as a team with structure involved and opposing players who are just as big and athletically talented as our players are. We shall see, but it sure should be fun.
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Let's all keep in mind a couple things. 1) These are highlight videos. It shows the player's best plays, so naturally they're going to look good. 2) This is a summer league that is pretty loose and there isn't much emphasis on defense. Again, these players can look great, but the players they are playing against are nowhere near Big East caliber. To go along with that, the Marquette players are much taller than almost any player they are matching up against in this league, which won't always be the case in the Big East.
I just don't want anybody looking TOO into what's happening at he Pro-Am and basing expectations off of some highlight films from it. This is as good as a pickup game on the playground. While it is nice to watch them play and get SOME idea as to what they can bring to the table, it is going to be very different seeing how the team can gel and play together as a team with structure involved and opposing players who are just as big and athletically talented as our players are. We shall see, but it sure should be fun.
you mean DJO isn't going to be scoring 40 to 50 points per game in Big East competition? Damn! ;)
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One thing that a few people have mentioned is that Gardner is more of 4. I totally disagree. He will get all his minutes at the 5. He will not have quick enough feet to guard 4's in the big East. He may give up a few Inchs to some of the 5's (we always do) but he should be strong enough by his Soph year to hold good postion D. Also in regard to gettting his body on people to create some space, he will also get alot of foul's and was a good FT shooter in high school. I think one game they mentioned 15-17. I also think the EW is going to grow into a face up 4 man. With Butler, Jones, Wilson at the 3 the next couple of years, I just don't see him getting many minutes at the 3.
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I can't stop replaying the J. Wilson highlights. He looks big, smooth and super talented. I know these are just highlight videos, but call me impressed.
I know he played last year for the ducks, but seemed to have a very average freshman year looking at his stats. What gives? Freshman might be the operative word I guess.
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I can't stop replaying the J. Wilson highlights. He looks big, smooth and super talented. I know these are just highlight videos, but call me impressed.
I know he played last year for the ducks, but seemed to have a very average freshman year looking at his stats. What gives? Freshman might be the operative word I guess.
Is he mentally strong during games (have a diener killer instinct/heart, etc.)?? Can he play/does he want to play intense, team defense?
Those are all factors that we can't really determine during this pro-am and effects how much you play in DI basketball.
Plus he was a freshman away from home for the first time.
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Hopefully Wilson will have a Wes Johnson impact as a transfer.
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you mean DJO isn't going to be scoring 40 to 50 points per game in Big East competition? Damn! ;)
That is because Buzz will not let him shoot that much.
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Davante can dribble pretty well for such a huge guy, and has a good stroke from mid range. Jamil just looks amazing
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Davante can dribble pretty well for such a huge guy, and has a good stroke from mid range. Jamil just looks amazing
I'm glad to have Wilson in the fold. But one things still mystifies me...why did he not play the last 6 games? Was he injured? Just curious. Not being critical.
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I'm sure the fact that he wanted to transfer was well known by that point. He could have thrown in the towel for the year or his coach who was about to be fired threw in the towel.
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Too bad we have to wait a whole season before we can see him in action...but if he stays on track for a whole year of development...man, that'll be AWESOME! We haven't heard any definite NO yet from his appeal, have we? I'm not optimistic about it, but I mean...until there's a straight up NO, then mayyybe he'll be able to suit up...
Gardner is going to be awesome...maybe not so much this year...but I think he could have Dwight Burke-on-a-good-day-productivity consistently midway through his sophomore year...obviously their games were different, but I think he will contribute a lot...maybe not this year, but definitely down the road.
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How many years of eligibility will Jamil Wilson have after sitting out a year? Will his year sitting out count towards his 4 years?
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How many years of eligibility will Jamil Wilson have after sitting out a year? Will his year sitting out count towards his 4 years?
After sitting out 2010-2011, Jamil Wilson will have 3 years of Eligibility beginning in the fall of 2011
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One thing that a few people have mentioned is that Gardner is more of 4. I totally disagree. He will get all his minutes at the 5. He will not have quick enough feet to guard 4's in the big East. He may give up a few Inchs to some of the 5's (we always do) but he should be strong enough by his Soph year to hold good postion D. Also in regard to gettting his body on people to create some space, he will also get alot of foul's and was a good FT shooter in high school. I think one game they mentioned 15-17. I also think the EW is going to grow into a face up 4 man. With Butler, Jones, Wilson at the 3 the next couple of years, I just don't see him getting many minutes at the 3.
I think that gardner could play either
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One thing that a few people have mentioned is that Gardner is more of 4. I totally disagree. He will get all his minutes at the 5. He will not have quick enough feet to guard 4's in the big East.
I think you're forgetting about some of the 4 men in this league, not all of them are the quick face up 4 type that would give Gardner trouble. A few teams are going with the more traditional PF, and some like Syracuse are really playing two 5s instead of a 4 and a 5. Gardner would have no problem keeping up with guys like that. Sure, he'd get killed by the Devin Ebanks, Herb Pope, Stanley Robinson type guys...but not everyone has one of them.
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I guess I would agree that some teams go big. Buzz has always gone smaller for more skill on the floor and less size and play faster to conteract that. I would be very surprised if over the next 3 years we see Otule and OX on the floor at the same time.
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I guess I would agree that some teams go big. Buzz has always gone smaller for more skill on the floor and less size and play faster to conteract that. I would be very surprised if over the next 3 years we see Otule and OX on the floor at the same time.
You must not see the pregame warm ups. ;D
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I don't know how Otule will be during real competitive games, but it was refreshing to finally see a Marquette big man catch the ball, pivot, and shoot without bringing the ball below his shoulders instead of trying to power-dribble right under the basket and getting swarmed every time.
And like someone already mentioned, Reggie Smith makes everyone else look like they are in slow motion. He was running by guys and scoring before they even realized he was running by them. Lightning quick.
This is going to be a fun season.
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IF you're on Facebook and haven't "Liked" Milwaukee Summer Pro-Am yet,
YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON SOME OUTSTANDING PHOTOS (sample below)!!!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milwaukee-Summer-Pro-Am/126601787376820
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I'm trying not to get too excited over these videos because it looked like there was little to no defense being played. Having said that, DJO looked awesome with his shot and dribble drives, Cadougan looked trim and quick, and Otule looked like he could handle a pass and make a layup in traffic. I'm looking foreward to the start of the season.
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New vid added.
Highlights from Day 4 and 5 to be posted in next couple of days
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Day 4 Highlights of Matthews, Otule, Smith and Blackledge added
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Who is Trend Blackledge?
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Who is Trend Blackledge?
Lawrence Blackledge who played at MU 3 years ago
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New Vid added ft. Buycks, Fulce, Blue and Singleton
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New Vid added ft. Buycks, Fulce, Blue and Singleton
You're awesome. Used to have to wait for Todd Rosiak's open gym reports to get my MUBB fix...but you're like Frank Lucas up in this beeyotch!
Thanks YounMUFan4, greatly appreciated. I can't wait for Marquette Basketball.
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Man...I've never been so excited about a walk-on...Singleton has some sick handles and a nice jumper...who was that on the sidelines in the jeans and white shirt acting a fool when Singleton crossed his guy up the first time?
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It looks like Jimmy Butler on the sidelines
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It looks like Jimmy Butler on the sidelines
Yup
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Singleton looks good for a walkon.
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Singleton looks good for a walkon.
You'd never be able to tell he is a walk-on if you didn't already know. I thought his highlight package was as impressive as anyone's in that video.
If we can't get the blue-chip 2011 recruits we're hoping for, I wouldn't mind banking a scholarship for some of the 2012 in-state prospects. That way, we could make Singleton a scholarship player for 2011-12 with the understanding that he would shift back to walk-on for the following year.
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Singleton isn't as bad as our previous walk-on's but he isn't a scholarship player on a Big East team.
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Have to agree with those who thought Singleton looked really good in the highlight package. From the reports I've read from people who attended - he looks really good throughout, correct? A great pick up for a walk on for sure.
I believe he'll contribute in his time at MU - maybe not too much this year, but at some point in the next 2-3 years. I have to wonder if Singleton will be just as good as DJ Newbill would have been- but to get him as a walk on..WOW!!
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ok pick up ball player. Nothing to get all excited about.
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ok pick up ball player. Nothing to get all excited about.
I did go back and watch the video, and noticed on the Buycks highlight package - Buycks shook Singleton pretty easily several times. Which to me, is more of a reflection of how good Buycks might be this year - as Singleton looks like a good athlete, and at very least has competed at the D-1 level, and put up decent numbers agains the Big East teams he did face while at High Point.
Based on what everyone is writing about Buycks from the Pro-Am, and the above observation...Buycks seems poised for a major break out year. Would love to see him join DJO as an All Big East Selection this year..and think it is possible...if his 3 point shot continues to fall for him..as has been reported from ProAm (much improved from last year.)
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Singleton isn't as bad as our previous walk-on's but he isn't a scholarship player on a Big East team.
I don't mean to imply that he is Big East level. My reasoning for suggesting using a scholarship on him is more about the loaded in-state class in 2012 and my belief that only a special recruit would crack the 2011-12 team's rotation.
My point is that he'd be a pretty good guy to give your 13th scholarship to if there isn't a recruit deserving of it. Having a guy who could provide solid shooting and ball-handling in spot minutes in case of injuries is better than nothing.
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There were times both nights where Singleton was the best player on the court. He was fantastic on Saturday.
Certainly not your typical walk-on.
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Have to agree with those who thought Singleton looked really good in the highlight package. From the reports I've read from people who attended - he looks really good throughout, correct? A great pick up for a walk on for sure.
I believe he'll contribute in his time at MU - maybe not too much this year, but at some point in the next 2-3 years. I have to wonder if Singleton will be just as good as DJ Newbill would have been- but to get him as a walk on..WOW!!
Singleton is a transfer and has to sit out this year. And I believe he will be a junior next year when he can play. He looked good ot he court when I was there Friday. Excellent walk on.
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Who is Trend Blackledge?
Followup question:"and when did he learn to play quality basketball?" He looks far better in these clips then he ever did at MU.
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Everybody looks better when there is no team defense being played.
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Blackledge has always looked good throwing it down even against real teams... D was lacking though.
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Everyone looks better when Crean isn't coaching them.
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Prediction (based on nothing): Singleton is given a scholarship either next year or the year after 1) because it helps balance out the schollie table a bit and 2) because he appears (albeit in a pick-up game type of environment) to be skilled enough to offer a few minutes per game of relief of our higher profile players...
Obviously everyone likes to think that we'll have a roster of all Top 100 players, but let's face it, kids have egos and it's always important to have a player or two on your roster who understand that they will play a very limited role on your team...my bet is that Singleton becomes one of those guys for Buzz...
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Why would we give a scholarship to a kid who's paying his own way? Everyone keeps saying "He's better than nothing" as their reasoning to give him a scholarship. News flash: he's already on the team. Not giving a scholarship to a recruit and giving one to him instead would be resulting in getting nothing more than we have now, since we already have Singleton. I don't mean to rip the guy apart but I know a lot of people who could look good on a team with Ouse and Blue playing against a lot of Juco level players. There's a reason he was at a very low major school originally and wasn't even being offered by mid-majors even after he decided to transfer. Why would a team that is looking to move to the highest level give a scholarship to that type of player, especially a guard when we're STACKED at guard.
I'm sorry, but no, we should not give him a scholarship. Just because he crossed some Juco level players in a playground setting does bot make him a Big East caliber player. I'm really glad he's on the team, but that's because he's a major upgrade from our past walk-one and he'll help for practice purposes. He will not play a major roll I. Big games.
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He would probably have to be a significant contributor for a season before they would think about rewarding him with a scholarship. Like 8-10 ppg... see that happening?
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Reward him with scholarship:
~If indeeds earns it, beating out potential recruits AND if his family is no longer willing to self-finance his education
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edit: just saw another thread with the exact same question i asked
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I was at the Pro Am on Saturday and it was exactly what i needed. I was jonesing for some MU ball. A few things I noticed were...
Dave Singleton: The Kid is going to see some minutes after he sits out a year. His team went up against Buycks' and Fulce's team. He started off hot and looks like he has great form on his jumper. I think he scored the first 8 points for his team.
Vander Blue: Super athletic but needs to work on his jumper. It looks like he crosses his guide hand a bit on his follow through. He took it to the hole 90% of the time and was drawing a lot of contact and able to muscle it up and get the and 1.
Joe Fulce: Looked like the Joe Fulce that we had last year snagging a lot of 1 handed rebounds and going up strong every time. He did have Blue guarding him the whole time.
Dwight Buycks: He looked good, but he hogged the ball. On quite a few occasions he skipped passing the ball to the open man and took it to the hole himself.
Chris Otule: Looked unstoppable inside. He did have a few inches on everyone but he looks like he's got great footwork and his Vert has really improved. If he was within 3' it was a guaranteed slam. On one he was gonna lay it up and Trend yelled from the perimeter "no throw it down" and he did with ease. If he can stay healthy he'll be good for 8 ppg and 7 reb/game.
Reggie Smith: when he's on the move don't blink because if you do he'll be 90' down the court when you open your eyes. Didnt take many jumpers in the game i saw but he didnt have to. nobody could stay with him. He had 1 time the whole game where he looked out of control but that was it. Very composed when he gets the ball and he'll be that spark off the bench that we lacked last year. Had a dirty behind the back pass that set up i wanna say trend for a dunk. He was on wes' team and Wes said to the crowd "I think Reggie is gonna be alright" and kept repeating it to himself for a while. Phenomenal player.
Junior Cadougan: Not the Cadougan we saw last year. Quicker and got into the paint whenever he wanted. Hit a 3 and didnt airball it like the syracuse game. He was going against wes and smith's team and he wouldnt let his team loose. the game went to o.t. and he wanted the ball in his hands every time down the court. i think i alsoi heard the announcer say at one point that he had 15 assists. he was the biggest surprise all day.
I didnt stay for Wilson and Jones' game but Wilson wasnt playing.
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New video added
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I was at the Pro Am on Saturday and it was exactly what i needed. I was jonesing for some MU ball. A few things I noticed were...
Dave Singleton: The Kid is going to see some minutes after he sits out a year.
I don't think he has to sit out a year. I am wrong.
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He has to sit a year.
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I guess that I will weigh in on this subject one more time. If David Singleton contributes above or equal to other players that are on scholarship then David should also receive a scholarship. To do otherwise would be an insult to David and the entire program.
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David Singleton is no Dave Delsman.
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David Singleton is no Dave Delsman.
I hope he isn't Dave Delsman. That would make him a little portly and about 58 years old.