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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: DJO's Pump Fake on February 26, 2007, 04:14:38 PM
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Let me start off by saying I have attended Marquette home games since I was 5 and have been a Fanatic for just as long.
I was down in ND for the game and after that hot start it just seemed that the guys relaxed and then stopped trying and laid back. The boys seem to be playing more and more for personal gratification as opposed to team success. When people are wide open at the three spot and Jerel or Dom drive to three defenders and put up a dud instead of kicking out - you know they have stopped looking for each other and have turned toward personal success
This can only be attributed to one man-Tom Crean
This team, much like every Tom Crean team (excluding Dwyane's year), fell apart in February and I do not know if they can pull it together, again
Every year Tom Crean's teams (excluding Dwyane’s year) fumble away winnable games (51-39 St. Louis loss) or get blown out (99-52 Louisville) and undoubtedly stink it up in Conference Tournaments (TCU, UAB, a Georgetown team we beat less than a week earlier) And follow it up with an even worse tournament showing (Tulsa and Alabama in the NCAA's) (Side note: Do not forget Western Michigan in NIT play) While not winning an NCAA game since D-wade's year. Let us not forget fellow fanatics that TC has yet to bring a productive big-man to the university(barring the great Robert Jackson) and next year will be the same scenario.
He has no offense and even worse bench presence. He may be the best PR coach in America but he is about the bottom of the barrel in X's and O's. Just glad to say he's here to stay 10 more years - so get comfortable with mediocre basketball when it counts.
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Let me start off by saying I have attended Marquette home games since I was 5 and have been a Fanatic for just as long.
I was down in ND for the game and after that hot start it just seemed that the guys relaxed and then stopped trying and laid back. The boys seem to be playing more and more for personal gratification as opposed to team success. When people are wide open at the three spot and Jerel or Dom drive to three defenders and put up a dud instead of kicking out - you know they have stopped looking for each other and have turned toward personal success
This can only be attributed to one man-Tom Crean
This team, much like every Tom Crean team (excluding Dwyane's year), fell apart in February and I do not know if they can pull it together, again
Every year Tom Crean's teams (excluding Dwyane’s year) fumble away winnable games (51-39 St. Louis loss) or get blown out (99-52 Louisville) and undoubtedly stink it up in Conference Tournaments (TCU, UAB, a Georgetown team we beat less than a week earlier) And follow it up with an even worse tournament showing (Tulsa and Alabama in the NCAA's) (Side note: Do not forget Western Michigan in NIT play) While not winning an NCAA game since D-wade's year. Let us not forget fellow fanatics that TC has yet to bring a productive big-man to the university(barring the great Robert Jackson) and next year will be the same scenario.
He has no offense and even worse bench presence. He may be the best PR coach in America but he is about the bottom of the barrel in X's and O's. Just glad to say he's here to stay 10 more years - so get comfortable with mediocre basketball when it counts.
the problem with getting rid of someone is that it's only a good idea if there is someone better to bring in. he wins a lot of games for a bottom of the barrel coach. Perhaps attending that many games has made you lose touch with reality, that being we were a mid major school just 10 years ago. Now no one wants to play us.
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Right....Marquette only has a top 25 team at the beginning of March. Clearly Tom Crean is to blame - lets get rid of him.
Some people are ridiculous. Listen, Marquette's bball team isn't without *some* problems, but there's a few here (and I *really* think it's a minority) that just don't get that we're a pretty good team. Not awesome, but pretty good.
Anybody that wants to fire Crean after the past two years - well, I just won't even try to reason with you, because you're obviously an unreasonable person.
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Based on this foolish post, this could be our year!
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yeah, maybe we should just totally sell out and bring in sleazeballs like Pitino or Huggy or Calipari.
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You are an idiot if you think Crean should be fired. A huge idiot.
Crean is not going anywhere, nor should he. He is a good coach. I sometimes question his big man (or lack thereof) substitution, but overall he is good.
I am as frustrated as anyone with regards to the last few weeks, but just hang on. The team is young, and the season is FAR from over.
If we lose our next three (Pitt, 1 conference game, 1 round of the tourny) then let the bitching continue.
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For real?
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Horsecrap.
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dumbest.
post.
ever.
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Wow, we all seem to have issues with Crean now and then, but to say Crean has to go is ridiculous. Look at where the program is now compared to the end of the Deane era. Can Crean improve in some areas, certainly, but no way do I want to see Crean roaming any other sideline.
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You must be 9 then. Because if you have been attending games since you were 5 and these are the worst years you can remember, I am guessing you are 9.
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think I'm done.. wait.. nope.. still laughing.
Hmm.. think that mighta just woken me up for the home stretch today - thanks!! :D
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I think Warrior55 is Gary Woeffley.
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Let me start off by saying I have attended Marquette home games since I was 5 and have been a Fanatic for just as long.
I was down in ND for the game and after that hot start it just seemed that the guys relaxed and then stopped trying and laid back. The boys seem to be playing more and more for personal gratification as opposed to team success. When people are wide open at the three spot and Jerel or Dom drive to three defenders and put up a dud instead of kicking out - you know they have stopped looking for each other and have turned toward personal success
This can only be attributed to one man-Tom Crean
I don't agree that kind of behavior can only be attributed to Crean. I believe there is a chemistry problem on this team and you can't fault Crean for that. He may add fuel to it at times, but these things happen. The off season may be revealing in this regard.
By the way, I do not agree that Crean "must go." But he was completely out of control on Saturday. I'm just wondering if it's possible to defend your players without throwing a temper tantrum.
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I don't think there any chemistry issues on this team. Our guys seem to genuinely like each other. Have you ever seen a more rah-rah bench than ours?
Our struggles are pretty simple to understand:
1) We sometimes struggle to shoot the ball well.
2) We do not have a tremendous amount of size and talent in our front line.
3) Our team is composed largely of underclassmen who are still learning what it takes to succeed on a consistent basis in D1 basketball.
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- As a sophomore at the university, I certainly can question some things about Crean. However, who else would we hire??? Yes Crean struggles with x's and o's but is anybody better in the living room than Crean. Milwaukee is not exactly South Beach might I remind you. I agree that Crean doesn't have much of an offense and he seems to really struggle to have answers for the 2-3 zone. However, he averages 20 wins a season, that's impressive. There's over 300 teams in D1 basketball, Crean is in the top 15% of coaches if not top 10%. However, if a Marquette team does not reach the sweet 16 in the next 3 or 4 years, fine you could gripe. But enjoy this, your basketball team currently has 20+ wins and is headed to the big dance.
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Let me start off by saying I have attended Marquette home games since I was 5 and have been a Fanatic for just as long.
I was down in ND for the game and after that hot start it just seemed that the guys relaxed and then stopped trying and laid back. The boys seem to be playing more and more for personal gratification as opposed to team success. When people are wide open at the three spot and Jerel or Dom drive to three defenders and put up a dud instead of kicking out - you know they have stopped looking for each other and have turned toward personal success
This can only be attributed to one man-Tom Crean
This team, much like every Tom Crean team (excluding Dwyane's year), fell apart in February and I do not know if they can pull it together, again
Every year Tom Crean's teams (excluding Dwyane’s year) fumble away winnable games (51-39 St. Louis loss) or get blown out (99-52 Louisville) and undoubtedly stink it up in Conference Tournaments (TCU, UAB, a Georgetown team we beat less than a week earlier) And follow it up with an even worse tournament showing (Tulsa and Alabama in the NCAA's) (Side note: Do not forget Western Michigan in NIT play) While not winning an NCAA game since D-wade's year. Let us not forget fellow fanatics that TC has yet to bring a productive big-man to the university(barring the great Robert Jackson) and next year will be the same scenario.
He has no offense and even worse bench presence. He may be the best PR coach in America but he is about the bottom of the barrel in X's and O's. Just glad to say he's here to stay 10 more years - so get comfortable with mediocre basketball when it counts.
the problem with getting rid of someone is that it's only a good idea if there is someone better to bring in. he wins a lot of games for a bottom of the barrel coach. Perhaps attending that many games has made you lose touch with reality, that being we were a mid major school just 10 years ago. Now no one wants to play us.
What if Tony Bennett was available?
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There's 10 seconds of my life I'll never get back. Worst. Post. Ever.
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Talk to your doctor. He may want to adjust your dosage.
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Is Bob Dukiet available?
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Let me start off by saying I have attended Marquette home games since I was 5 and have been a Fanatic for just as long.
I was down in ND for the game and after that hot start it just seemed that the guys relaxed and then stopped trying and laid back. The boys seem to be playing more and more for personal gratification as opposed to team success. When people are wide open at the three spot and Jerel or Dom drive to three defenders and put up a dud instead of kicking out - you know they have stopped looking for each other and have turned toward personal success
This can only be attributed to one man-Tom Crean
This team, much like every Tom Crean team (excluding Dwyane's year), fell apart in February and I do not know if they can pull it together, again
Every year Tom Crean's teams (excluding Dwyane’s year) fumble away winnable games (51-39 St. Louis loss) or get blown out (99-52 Louisville) and undoubtedly stink it up in Conference Tournaments (TCU, UAB, a Georgetown team we beat less than a week earlier) And follow it up with an even worse tournament showing (Tulsa and Alabama in the NCAA's) (Side note: Do not forget Western Michigan in NIT play) While not winning an NCAA game since D-wade's year. Let us not forget fellow fanatics that TC has yet to bring a productive big-man to the university(barring the great Robert Jackson) and next year will be the same scenario.
He has no offense and even worse bench presence. He may be the best PR coach in America but he is about the bottom of the barrel in X's and O's. Just glad to say he's here to stay 10 more years - so get comfortable with mediocre basketball when it counts.
the problem with getting rid of someone is that it's only a good idea if there is someone better to bring in. he wins a lot of games for a bottom of the barrel coach. Perhaps attending that many games has made you lose touch with reality, that being we were a mid major school just 10 years ago. Now no one wants to play us.
What if Tony Bennett was available?
You think we struggle on offense now...? ;)
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I saw the subject line, and I'm thinking:
1. Crean's gotta go --- see some big junior in high school that no one else is recruiting, or
2. Crean's gotta go --- deep into the Big East tourney to get a nice seed, or
3. Crean's gotta go --- watch the film of his explosion during the ND game, or
4. Crean's gotta go --- out of his way to thank the many, many fans that travelled this past weekend to ND,
but I read "Gotta go" as in "get rid of" and I'm floored. I will confess and admit that I was one of those that was upset when we fired Deane, because I thought he was a pretty good game coach. (Keep in mind that I was an undergrad when we won the championship, and watched the program tank, and then slowly regain some respectability with KO and crazy Mike Deane.) But Crean has put this program back into what can arguably be considered elite status.
Often we compare him to Bo Ryan, who is (grudgingly) a very good coach. Bo has way more experience than TC, but even he blew it yesterday with an over coached time out at games end. Be critical of his recruiting style, game plan, game strategy, etc., but get rid of him? As others have correctly wondered -- for whom?
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Warrior1955
It's a great country isn't? And to think, the full moon doesn't even kick in until March 2nd
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First of all you may have been going to games for the past 15 years, but not watching them. I'd gladly take the direction we are going in over the previous 15 plus years. And if we have no offense and Crean can't coach, how do we consistently win over 20 games a year? Remember, this is his first job as a head coach, he's young and will only get better. Just this season, go back to Providence and Syracuse, those were horribly played and coached games, nobody thought we'd bounce back. But with good play and good game plans we have. Oh and can I have $100, cause that's how much I charge for people wasting 10 seconds of my time.
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what a silly thread. still, i am glad the moderators are letting it continue ;D
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I didn't chime in? ;D
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Been going to MU home games since you were five? You must have been in the bathroom for the "Piano Playing Lounge Act" Dukiet years and the "Put on a happy face" -Mike Deane years to be saying what you are on this board. Snap out of it dude and get back to your seats or someone else will buy them out from under you!!!
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what a silly thread. still, i am glad the moderators are letting it continue ;D
In case some of you missed it, this was erased from Scout's free board:
Talking to DJ's High School Head Coach
... turns out he was sitting right behind me at the ND game so i talked to him for abit about DJ and he said that he is going to wait until season end to decided wether or not he is leaving and he said that he really likes MU and he would have to be projected early to mid first round if he were going to leave. another interesting thing he pointed out was that he felt the offense was being run through jerel and that jerel had to many turnovers. He didnt seem to like jerel very much he tended to rip on him alot which suprised me but he did say that DJ thought jerel was a nice guy and that he liked him alot he just didnt like that the offense runs through jerel. not so sure i agree with those comments but i thought you guys might have some thoughts...
(can't remember the name of the poster it wasn't a regular but it also wasn't their first post either).
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nice catch, Mr. Lens.
Coaches defend their players, at every level. I dont know that MU runs its offense through Jerel, but sure -- compared to last season when DJ did all the ball handling, I guess I can understand that perspective a bit. In a three-guard offense, there's no need to have on player make all the calls.
Glad we can talk about this here
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nice catch, Mr. Lens.
Coaches defend their players, at every level....Glad we can talk about this here
Exactly, I don't think he said anything that anyone else's coach would not have said. Heck, Kinsella's coach probably feels Mike should be getting the ball in the high poist on every possession. John & IWB do a nice job but when there's not a open exchange of info, you start to wonder about the other info being given out.
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There is absolutely no way the offense is run through McNeal. That's just plain wrong. Whenever Crean's got James on the wing, it's usually Wesley bring the ball up and that is just a plan to get James in better position to get to the basket. Besides, we've heard Crean talking about getting McNeal to improve his decision making...there's just no way.
Obviously, that's not exactly a rock-solid source, but if his coach said that he's a goofball -- especially considering DJ managed to get 20 shots up vs. ND.
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especially considering DJ managed to get 20 shots up vs. ND.
and since DJ had 9 assists and just one turnover in that same game.
McNeal had no assists and four turnovers. DJ still drives the bus most of the time. Maybe the beef is that McNeal gets just as many shot attempts per game as DJ. who knows
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What an absurd thread for a THIRD post. I can't even imagine how ludicrous the first two must have been.
When does your fourth post come in, oh wise one??????
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Crean goes and so does our recruiting power and the level of play he's gotten his teams to play at. While he's gotten us back on the college bball map, if he goes it wouldn't surprise me if we're off it almost right away. Crean has got to STAY!!
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After the final 4 year, I think we were all afraid that Crean might go. Now we want him to? I think that this post shows how good Crean is. He has raised our expectations to the point where Top 25 and NCAA bids aren't good enough, we want a dynasty.
I imagine there is some UCONN board where there is a guy wanting Calhoun out, too.
I also imagine there is someone who doesn't post on his Cincinnati Bearcat board anymore because he voiced the opinion a couple of years ago that they would be better off without Huggins.
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Crean goes and so does our recruiting power and the level of play he's gotten his teams to play at. While he's gotten us back on the college bball map, if he goes it wouldn't surprise me if we're off it almost right away. Crean has got to STAY!!
MU has too much invested in the Hoops program to let it slide. Sure they could flub a hire but with the operating revenue they give men's basketball, the salaries they have been willing to pay and the infrastructure (The AL etc) MU will be able to attract a coach who is on par with Coach Crean.
That being said, I would hope they do everything they can to retain him when future inquiries come up. Consistency is the best thing, IMO.
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I don't know PRN...there are many programs that have resources that have had to go to their 4th, 5th, 6th choices.
NC State was just the latest last year. UCLA was in that spot with Lavin. I'm not convinced Cincinnati or Seton Hall made lateral hires with the departure of their coaches last year...time will tell.
No question MU would try not to let it slide, but I hope we aren't in that position of hiring someone (as you stated) for many years to come.