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Title: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: bradforster on June 29, 2010, 11:01:22 PM
In a crazy and ineffable twist, DJ Newbill has been told he's no longer wanted by the Marquette basketball program.  With one quick phone call to Newbill's high school coach Stan Laws, a member of the Marquette coaching staff delivered the news earlier today.  Without knowing MU's side of the story I certainly can't comment on the basketball team's behalf, but the information I've received from DJ's inner circle is highly disturbing.  Newbill was full of zeal for his upcoming move to Milwaukee and to say the day's events caught him off guard would be a major understatement.  The world of college recruiting can be a cruel cat and mouse game fraught with nefarious tactics and deception.  From what I have gathered from the Newbill side in this case, Marquette's recruitment of DJ was specious at best.  A young man is heartbroken tonight at the eleventh hour.  Where does he go from here on such short notice?  I wish him nothing but the best in figuring that out.  Apparently, he'll do it without the assistance of a group that seemingly showed great interest only to discard him like yesterday's newspaper.  Again, I am opining based on what the DJ Newbill camp has told me.  They are obviously deeply hurt by these developments.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: T-Bone on June 29, 2010, 11:06:29 PM
Is Laws even Strawberry Mansion's coach? 

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20100224_Strawberry_Mansion_cuts_ties_with_volunteer_coach_Laws.html

Just wondering. 

As a coach to DJ, he'll always be considered one of his coaches, no matter where he's coaching or DJ's playing. 

Best of luck DJ. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on June 29, 2010, 11:07:34 PM
I share your apprehension.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on June 29, 2010, 11:09:39 PM
If true, and I say IF, it's a bush league move on all levels.

I hope it's not true.  Even Crean didn't pull that crap.  I hope it's not true.  The way Dodds is spinning like a top on the other board, I have a suspicion it's true. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: jesmu84 on June 29, 2010, 11:10:13 PM
Was DJ completely academically qualified? Is he the supposed player taking the prep school route? Brad, are you saying that as of 8 minutes ago, DJ was coming to Marquette, and now is being told he's not at all welcome? No more information than that?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Ron Paul on June 29, 2010, 11:10:33 PM
If that is true that's a tough way to go...  Maybe he saw the writing on the wall with Jamil Wilson coming?  Obviously its all speculation right now.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: martyconlonontherun on June 29, 2010, 11:14:56 PM
This is exactly why we shouldn't worship Buzz and chastise Crean. They are both human. I don't think Buzz is scum but I think its pretty obvious that he had to chose between a below average roster player and a former top recruit. He went with someone who would make his job better over sticking with the guy already committed.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NersEllenson on June 29, 2010, 11:18:44 PM
If true, and I say IF, it's a bush league move on all levels.

I hope it's not true.  Even Crean didn't pull that crap.  I hope it's not true. 

Agree.  Yet I don't think all of the details of this are out yet - thought it was interesting that in Woelfel's article it said a formal announcement is expected within the next week.  Why will it take a week to make the formal announcement?  My guess is that there is going to be a lot going on behind the scenes at MU in the next week...I just can't believe we'd handle this situation like this..if this is in fact how it went down.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on June 29, 2010, 11:21:43 PM
This is exactly why we shouldn't worship and chastise Crean. They are both human. I don't think Buzz is scum but I think its pretty obvious that he had to chose between a below average roster player and a former top recruit. He went with someone who would make his job better over sticking with the guy already committed.

Not only committed to us, but us to him.  Commitment is a two way street.  Newbill signed a letter of intent to play at MU which we accepted, were thrilled about, talked glowingly about it.

http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12311823

"We are excited about D.J.," Williams said. "Anyone that has followed our program knows the priority toughness and character are to us. D.J. embodies those two qualities as well as anyone we have recruited. Similar to all of the others in our class thus far, D.J. has won at the highest level and many times, winning reveals toughness and character."


I'm waiting for more details, but right now I'd say the early evidence doesn't look very good on Buzz's behalf.  I'm hoping more evidence changes that perception, soon.

I guess the question I have is, can MU even do this?  I thought once the LOI was signed he would be here the first year sans something crazy.  Maybe because school hasn't started and the grant in aid has not yet commenced, the clock hasn't started yet.  I don't know. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Ari Gold on June 29, 2010, 11:24:43 PM
I called this in the thread "Re: Jamil Wilson Leaving Oregon?" « Reply #42 on: March 31, 2010, 10:23:06 AM »

3 months and I was right. many of you doubted me... I was right

I Was Right
I Was Right
I Was Right

I was wrong about the Yous thing though
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: HoopsMalone on June 29, 2010, 11:25:33 PM
Didn't Buzz say that one recruit knew he was not going to prep school?  And Rosiak had that in his blog. Will DJ spend one year in prep school and then come to MU?

I highly doubt it was just an assistant coach calling the high school coach.  Maybe the MU assistant coach is the only direct contact the high school coach had with MU, but there is no way Buzz would not call DJ himself or have someone call DJ himself at least.  

This might just be a reaction from DJ's coach and a very narrow view of what happened.  

I will be interested to hear Buzz's side of the story.  Good luck to DJ whatever happens.  

Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Markusquette on June 29, 2010, 11:25:40 PM
Not only committed to us, but us to him.  Commitment is a two way street.  Newbill signed a letter of intent to play at MU which we accepted, were thrilled about, talked glowingly about it.

http://www.wqow.com/Global/story.asp?S=12311823

"We are excited about D.J.," Williams said. "Anyone that has followed our program knows the priority toughness and character are to us. D.J. embodies those two qualities as well as anyone we have recruited. Similar to all of the others in our class thus far, D.J. has won at the highest level and many times, winning reveals toughness and character."


I'm waiting for more details, but right now I'd say the early evidence doesn't look very good on Buzz's behalf.  I'm hoping more evidence changes that perception, soon.

I guess the question I have is, can MU even do this?  I thought once the LOI was signed he would be here the first year sans something crazy.  Maybe because school hasn't started and the grant in aid has not yet commenced, the clock hasn't started yet.  I don't know. 

I must agree.  It seems very fishy and I really hope there is a legitimate reason.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on June 29, 2010, 11:27:42 PM
I called this in the thread "Re: Jamil Wilson Leaving Oregon?" « Reply #42 on: March 31, 2010, 10:23:06 AM »

3 months and I was right. many of you doubted me... I was right

I Was Right
I Was Right
I Was Right

I was wrong about the Yous thing though

I believe if you go back several months ago, many folks were surprised by this recruit and wondered if he would ever end up here.  That seemed to all change when he signed the LOI and Buzz's public comments about the signing.  What is puzzling is that it sure seems from the communications from the Newbill camp that we sure didn't communicate very well to them.

The Roseboro coaches said the same thing, and a whole lot of people here banged the crap out of Roseboro's coach as protecting their guy and buzz bashing.  Now, if you put two and two together, doesn't look to good.

I'm hoping a detail comes out that explains all of this.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: MUfan12 on June 29, 2010, 11:28:26 PM
Again, I am opining based on what the DJ Newbill camp has told me.  They are obviously deeply hurt by these developments.

Perhaps we should let more facts come out before busting out the accusatory tone at MU.

Not saying either side is right or wrong, but there's two sides to everything.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: HoopsMalone on June 29, 2010, 11:31:51 PM
Perhaps we should let more facts come out before busting out the accusatory tone at MU.

Not saying either side is right or wrong, but there's two sides to everything.

Especially if the camp is DJ's high school coach who may or may not have gotten a call from an MU assistant.  There is no way that MU would only contact the high school coach.

The timing is better than Roseboro's departure at least, but still not good for MU and Newbill. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: martyconlonontherun on June 29, 2010, 11:35:59 PM
Even if Buzz himself called and gave him a week or 2 warning, at best it really sucks for Newbil to work hard and be committed to the team and then just be cut before he was even given an opportunity for someone who won't even play next year. The only way it is straight on MU's end is if Buzz told Newbil they were actively recruiting over him from the beginning. You don't dump a girlfriend as soon as your ex becomes available.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on June 29, 2010, 11:38:10 PM
This is exactly why we shouldn't worship Buzz and chastise Crean.

Yup
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: MarqBB77-03 on June 29, 2010, 11:42:57 PM
I thought a signed LOI was a contract.  If that is so and Newbill wants to come to MU, he can come.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: bradforster on June 29, 2010, 11:51:52 PM
These are the facts that have been presented to me from the Newbill side:

1) Scott Monarch phones Stan Laws today to ask about DJ's MU application.
2) Coach Laws informs Scott he will have DJ complete the application immediately.
3) Monarch responds by saying Buzz is no longer certain of DJ's commitment to the program and questions whether Newbill will be dependable considering the application has yet to be completed.
4) After probing Scott further to get past what Stan considered a convenient excuse for Marquette to release DJ, Monarch informs Stan that all along he's been the only coach on staff who believes DJ's skills are Big East caliber.
5) Scott tells Stan that Buzz has decided to go another direction and he needs DJ to sign a form requesting his release from Marquette.  (Remember, DJ had already signed on the dotted line)

From what I have surmised, DJ may have been a bit late in completing the final application for official MU enrollment and the failure to submit the application was used as a way for the BB team to sever ties with him.  DJ had asked Stan just a few weeks ago why his friends were receiving calls from representatives of their respective universities, but he had heard nothing from Marquette.  In being presented the Newbill camp's side of the story it sure sounds like DJ was no longer in Marquette's plans, and after some additional probing by Stan Laws, Scott Monarch admitted as much.  DJ's family is devastated and it's awfully late in the game to try and latch on somewhere else.  It's highly disappointing that Buzz asked one of his assistant coaches to call Stan with the gut wrenching news and subsequently leave it to Stan to relay that news to DJ.  Again, this is Coach Laws version of what transpired today.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: PhillyCoach on June 29, 2010, 11:52:33 PM
someone asked me a question saying what number will dj wear in the fall. I gave them a true answer he wont be attending mu in the fall. This is a fact no one at mu told dj he is no longer wanted at mu. I was asked to relay the message from buzz by scott. Its as simple as that. Dj is qualified and scot gave no real reason and that fine life goes on and the healing begins for this kid. And yes i coached dj this past season and let the team to a 23 an 0 record before being removed by the principal because she was jealous the success she thought i was having. Its never about me but all about the kids. Coached dj since 8th grade and volunteered at strawberry mansion as a asst until last year. I took over as a volunteer iterim head coach until that fiasco. Read the articles if u must know.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Brewtown Andy on June 29, 2010, 11:57:22 PM
So... Newbill wasn't officially accepted by Marquette academically speaking because he hadn't filed an application? At all?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Markusquette on June 29, 2010, 11:59:47 PM
I wouldn't exactly call that a convenient excuse.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: jesmu84 on June 30, 2010, 12:10:27 AM
These are the facts that have been presented to me from the Newbill side:

1) Scott Monarch phones Stan Laws today to ask about DJ's MU application.
2) Coach Laws informs Scott he will have DJ complete the application immediately.
3) Monarch responds by saying Buzz is no longer certain of DJ's commitment to the program and questions whether Newbill will be dependable considering the application has yet to be completed.
4) After probing Scott further to get past what Stan considered a convenient excuse for Marquette to release DJ, Monarch informs Stan that all along he's been the only coach on staff who believes DJ's skills are Big East caliber.
5) Scott tells Stan that Buzz has decided to go another direction and he needs DJ to sign a form requesting his release from Marquette.  (Remember, DJ had already signed on the dotted line)

From what I have surmised, DJ may have been a bit late in completing the final application for official MU enrollment and the failure to submit the application was used as a way for the BB team to sever ties with him.  DJ had asked Stan just a few weeks ago why his friends were receiving calls from representatives of their respective universities, but he had heard nothing from Marquette.  In being presented the Newbill camp's side of the story it sure sounds like DJ was no longer in Marquette's plans, and after some additional probing by Stan Laws, Scott Monarch admitted as much.  DJ's family is devastated and it's awfully late in the game to try and latch on somewhere else.  It's highly disappointing that Buzz asked one of his assistant coaches to call Stan with the gut wrenching news and subsequently leave it to Stan to relay that news to DJ.  Again, this is Coach Laws version of what transpired today.

Brad, please provide your thoughts/opinions on DJ not having completed his MU application just a week before he was to arrive on campus. Thanks.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Pakuni on June 30, 2010, 12:17:49 AM
These are the facts that have been presented to me from the Newbill side:

1) Scott Monarch phones Stan Laws today to ask about DJ's MU application.
2) Coach Laws informs Scott he will have DJ complete the application immediately.
3) Monarch responds by saying Buzz is no longer certain of DJ's commitment to the program and questions whether Newbill will be dependable considering the application has yet to be completed.
4) After probing Scott further to get past what Stan considered a convenient excuse for Marquette to release DJ, Monarch informs Stan that all along he's been the only coach on staff who believes DJ's skills are Big East caliber.
5) Scott tells Stan that Buzz has decided to go another direction and he needs DJ to sign a form requesting his release from Marquette.  (Remember, DJ had already signed on the dotted line)

From what I have surmised, DJ may have been a bit late in completing the final application for official MU enrollment and the failure to submit the application was used as a way for the BB team to sever ties with him.  DJ had asked Stan just a few weeks ago why his friends were receiving calls from representatives of their respective universities, but he had heard nothing from Marquette.  In being presented the Newbill camp's side of the story it sure sounds like DJ was no longer in Marquette's plans, and after some additional probing by Stan Laws, Scott Monarch admitted as much.  DJ's family is devastated and it's awfully late in the game to try and latch on somewhere else.  It's highly disappointing that Buzz asked one of his assistant coaches to call Stan with the gut wrenching news and subsequently leave it to Stan to relay that news to DJ.  Again, this is Coach Laws version of what transpired today.


Wait ... what? The kid never applied to Marquette?
I'm not suggesting that's reason to dump the kid, or that it's even DJ's fault, but how the heck does that even happen? I mean, wouldn't a kid who's supposedly eager to get to MU have turned in an application by now? And wouldn't an athletic department that's supposedly eager to have him been more attuned to the situation? I'm pretty sure that if Vander Blue's application weren't in, Scott Monarch would be on a plane to San Antonio to get it done.

There has got to be more to the story, because that account makes little sense. Either that or Buzz is a pretty bad guy, or at least was in this situation. I'm rooting for the former.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: SPCMU06 on June 30, 2010, 12:20:37 AM
i feel for the kid.  but he's allegedly thrilled to come to MU and application papers sit there uncompleted on the kitchen counter???  what's up with that?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ron burgundy on June 30, 2010, 12:21:12 AM
I wouldn't exactly call that a convenient excuse.

...this, coming from someone posting under the name 'Jamil_toMU10'...

This is clearly a convenient excude. Under the scenario that Brad Forster posted above, remove the name DJ Newbill and replace it with Harrison Barnes. Im not so sure the end result would be the same, would it? Besides, let's say, hypothetically, that the MU coaching staff signs a player to fill DJ's scholarship for the upcoming season. At this point in time, this future player/student has not filled out an application and mailed it in, either. So, either way, an application will be coming in late.

Phill coach, Is there any way you can play hardball and stick it to the MU staff? What if DJ didnt fillout the release form and mail it back? Im assuming that he wouldnt be able to attend regardless since the coach wouldnt want him around. But this may also prevent MU from signing a different player right away. Why do I have a feeling MU will be far more proactive in making sure DJ fills out the release form than they were about him filling out the application? Show them some Philly love.

Either way, I cant imagine MU will be recruiting another player from Philly anytime soon.

 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: GOO on June 30, 2010, 12:26:39 AM
ron, head back to the badger board and let the facts come out. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: StillWarriors on June 30, 2010, 12:28:00 AM
Agreed-you can bet that if Vander or some other recruit they really wanted hadn't filled out an app,it would have been filled out for him to just sign his name. At best, poor communication by Buzz. At worst, he doesn't walk the walk. For a guy who puts himself out there as much as buzz does for being so virtuous, I really hope he's not a fraud. In the long run-something like this could kill credibility and end up hurting recruiting. Sad if true.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: HoopsMalone on June 30, 2010, 12:33:12 AM
...this, coming from someone posting under the name 'Jamil_toMU10'...

This is clearly a convenient excude. Under the scenario that Brad Forster posted above, remove the name DJ Newbill and replace it with Harrison Barnes. Im not so sure the end result would be the same, would it? Besides, let's say, hypothetically, that the MU coaching staff signs a player to fill DJ's scholarship for the upcoming season. At this point in time, this future player/student has not filled out an application and mailed it in, either. So, either way, an application will be coming in late.

Phill coach, Is there any way you can play hardball and stick it to the MU staff? What if DJ didnt fillout the release form and mail it back? Im assuming that he wouldnt be able to attend regardless since the coach wouldnt want him around. But this may also prevent MU from signing a different player right away. Why do I have a feeling MU will be far more proactive in making sure DJ fills out the release form than they were about him filling out the application? Show them some Philly love.

Either way, I cant imagine MU will be recruiting another player from Philly anytime soon.

 

You are really passionate about trashing Marquette's reputation and Jesuit values in your first few posts.  Retribution is a Jesuit value?  You want to draw out hateful comments?  Your post sounds like smart-alleck comments I used to make to my parents in high school, not thoughtful comments about a kid's future.  

We all wish DJ the best no matter what.  Very few people could be characterized as this post would suggest.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: mufansince72 on June 30, 2010, 02:13:34 AM
i feel for the kid.  but he's allegedly thrilled to come to MU and application papers sit there uncompleted on the kitchen counter???  what's up with that?

Maybe because the plan was for him to go to prep school all along and there was no need to fill out the application?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Markusquette on June 30, 2010, 02:29:59 AM
...this, coming from someone posting under the name 'Jamil_toMU10'...

This is clearly a convenient excude. Under the scenario that Brad Forster posted above, remove the name DJ Newbill and replace it with Harrison Barnes. Im not so sure the end result would be the same, would it? Besides, let's say, hypothetically, that the MU coaching staff signs a player to fill DJ's scholarship for the upcoming season. At this point in time, this future player/student has not filled out an application and mailed it in, either. So, either way, an application will be coming in late.

Phill coach, Is there any way you can play hardball and stick it to the MU staff? What if DJ didnt fillout the release form and mail it back? Im assuming that he wouldnt be able to attend regardless since the coach wouldnt want him around. But this may also prevent MU from signing a different player right away. Why do I have a feeling MU will be far more proactive in making sure DJ fills out the release form than they were about him filling out the application? Show them some Philly love.

Either way, I cant imagine MU will be recruiting another player from Philly anytime soon.

 

You are a joke man.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: 77ncaachamps on June 30, 2010, 03:29:24 AM
I agree with Chicos. Commitment is a two-way street.
MU made a commitment to DJ by offering him a scholarship, which should be honored.
DJ made a commitment to MU by signing, but he should have shown it - if he was serious - by completing the application on time, like the other recruits.

I don't know the details but if what the posters close to the Newbill case are assumed to be telling the truth:

- How is it possible that he has not yet filed an application with the university? (A couple of posts already address this.)
- How can the university (specifically, the coaching staff) view that in a good light - seeing that other recruiting class members have filed theirs and are already on campus for workouts?

I don't like the smell of what went down - again, assuming everything aforementioned was true - but it sure weakens the DJ position if he had not even formally applied to MU. I know it may just be a formality, but if the rest of the class is at MU...and I'm sure the MU coaching staff has encouraged him to get it in...then someone can see why the staff might have waffled on DJ even coming to MU.

I do feel for DJ. I was excited for him to be at MU. I think MU can benefit from his skills. But for whatever reason...something started a domino effect.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: mileskishnish72 on June 30, 2010, 07:02:57 AM
Hoping that the facts come out SOON and that there is a reasonable explanation for all this. Maybe I'm hopelessly naive, but the way it seems to have gone down leaves me feeling not as good about the program as I did yesterday. I just hope everyone on the MU end acted honorably.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: PE8983 on June 30, 2010, 07:35:13 AM
Again, we've all known for a while that a recruit was headed the prep school route due to grades.  It was also reported that it would all be known by July 1.  Is this the story that was expected???  Quite a coincidence if it's not.  If it's not a coincidence, then something else will be going down soon...

You are expected to arrive on campus in a week, and I assume attend the second session of summer school.  Would you not have already registered for a class, let alone send in an application to attend?  Would you not know that this ProAm was going to take place?  Either from a coach or returning players?  It's been all over the news.  I thought you were talking frequently with other incoming freshman, who are already registered to play in this thing? 

Something's not right about this, and one side can't tell their version...

Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Litehouse on June 30, 2010, 08:04:54 AM
Again, we've all known for a while that a recruit was headed the prep school route due to grades.

It wasn't necessarily known that it would be due to grades.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 08:16:30 AM
I have to say I am disappointed in many here who are already disappointed in Buzz and the MU program, for what? Because of one version of events that may or may not have happened? As everyone knows, there are two sides to every story and the truth generally falls somewhere in between. Yet, we have heard one side of the story thus far...sort of, and people have a lesser opinion of Buzz.

Could everything that has been submitted thus far be 100% true? Sure. Is that likely the case? Not from where I'm sitting.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Brewtown Andy on June 30, 2010, 08:18:39 AM
I have to say I am disappointed in many here who are already disappointed in Buzz and the MU program, for what? Because of one version of events that may or may not have happened? As everyone knows, there are two sides to every story and the truth generally falls somewhere in between. Yet, we have heard one side of the story thus far...sort of, and people have a lesser opinion of Buzz.

Could everything that has been submitted thus far be 100% true? Sure. Is that likely the case? Not from where I'm sitting.

Like Robert Evans said, there are three sides to every story: Your side, my side, and the truth.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: PE8983 on June 30, 2010, 08:18:50 AM
I guess it may not be for grades, but it has been known for a while that someone was going.  If it wasn't DJ, then we should be hearing some more news real soon on another one not coming.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: martyconlonontherun on June 30, 2010, 08:22:45 AM
What I don't get is how this could legally happen so quickly?

In a matter of a day, Wilson asks for his release, finds out there is an upcoming opening at Marquette, decides to go to Marquette.

I don't get how Wilson can make that decision in less than 12 hours unless he knew beforehand that he would have an open spot at Marquette. It just seems fishy and looks like Wilson knew when he asked for his release that Marquette could make a scholarship appear, which seems like a NCAA no-no.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: tower912 on June 30, 2010, 08:23:38 AM
The only way this thing passes the smell test is if this is the recruit that Buzz was talking about when he said that one of the recruits was going to prep school, that it had been discussed with and agreed to by the recruit's family.    
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 08:28:11 AM
What I don't get is how this could legally happen so quickly?

In a matter of a day, Wilson asks for his release, finds out there is an upcoming opening at Marquette, decides to go to Marquette.

I don't get how Wilson can make that decision in less than 12 hours unless he knew beforehand that he would have an open spot at Marquette. It just seems fishy and looks like Wilson knew when he asked for his release that Marquette could make a scholarship appear, which seems like a NCAA no-no.

Of course it didn't happen that quickly, so the question kind of becomes which was the chicken and which was the egg? Did both Wilson and particularly MU know there might be an open slot soon, and Wilson delayed doing anything until that happened? Or, did Wilson tell Buzz he wanted to come to MU, so Buzz had to create an open spot for him?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: damuts222 on June 30, 2010, 08:36:49 AM
 I'm interested in why DJ wasn't on campus with the rest of the guys?? I will hold back my judgement but there is something going on. Regardless of how this all pans out I hope DJ lands on his feet.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Brewtown Andy on June 30, 2010, 08:40:24 AM
I'm interested in why DJ wasn't on campus with the rest of the guys?? I will hold back my judgement but there is something going on. Regardless of how this all pans out I hope DJ lands on his feet.

If he wasn't starting summer school until the second session starts, NCAA regulations might prevent MU from providing him benefits until he actually starts classes.  Wasn't that the case for Junior and Yous last year?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: martyconlonontherun on June 30, 2010, 08:41:07 AM
Of course it didn't happen that quickly, so the question kind of becomes which was the chicken and which was the egg? Did both Wilson and particularly MU know there might be an open slot soon, and Wilson delayed doing anything until that happened? Or, did Wilson tell Buzz he wanted to come to MU, so Buzz had to create an open spot for him?

Is Wilson allowed to have contact with MU officials since his coach got fired? Or is this a thing where Wilson is hanging out with some of the players and hears rumors about an opening? It just seems prearranged which does not seem like a good thing.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: hairy worthen on June 30, 2010, 08:43:11 AM
I have to say I am disappointed in many here who are already disappointed in Buzz and the MU program, for what? Because of one version of events that may or may not have happened? As everyone knows, there are two sides to every story and the truth generally falls somewhere in between. Yet, we have heard one side of the story thus far...sort of, and people have a lesser opinion of Buzz.

Could everything that has been submitted thus far be 100% true? Sure. Is that likely the case? Not from where I'm sitting.


Agree,

I find it amusing how when Buzz does everything right we need to give it 3 to 5 years but when something is perceived as negative the damnation starts immediately. Having said that there are quite a few "if this is true" qualifiers in the posts. We need to wait and see how this plays out, way too much speculation to make a rational decision.

Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Warrior2k13 on June 30, 2010, 08:45:35 AM
What I don't get is how this could legally happen so quickly?

In a matter of a day, Wilson asks for his release, finds out there is an upcoming opening at Marquette, decides to go to Marquette.

I don't get how Wilson can make that decision in less than 12 hours unless he knew beforehand that he would have an open spot at Marquette. It just seems fishy and looks like Wilson knew when he asked for his release that Marquette could make a scholarship appear, which seems like a NCAA no-no.

I think NCAA basketball teams often try to convince a player so highly touted as Wilson when he transfers. We knew he was gonna transfer, and Buzz may have done this, but in the end the talent level of this team went up. Still is some sad news for Newbill, but was it legal? Absolutely
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: damuts222 on June 30, 2010, 08:47:08 AM
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Having said that there are quite a few "if this is true" qualifiers in the posts. We need to wait and see how this plays out, way too much speculation to make a rational decision.

+1

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It just seems prearranged which does not seem like a good thing.

 Or who knows was Marquette protecting itself from DJ getting interest from other schools. I'm not sure on all the rules or obligations each has but everything will come out, and if we learned anything from the Maymon fiasco its that some of us need to not jump to conclusions and make false accusations or stories.

 There are real people involved and everyone involved reads what is written here like it or not.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: HoopsMalone on June 30, 2010, 08:48:13 AM
We really need Rosiak right now to let us know whats up. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2010, 08:56:40 AM
Forget Rosiak, just call Buzz's cell phone.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Brewtown Andy on June 30, 2010, 08:59:58 AM
Forget Rosiak, just call Buzz's cell phone.

Unless your number's already saved in his phone, he doesn't answer it, according to what he said at the BBQ.

:D
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ATWizJr on June 30, 2010, 09:06:23 AM
We really need Rosiak right now to let us know whats up.  
 I think we have a lot of unconfirmed rumors at this time and nothing more. No need to get overheated quite yet. Has there been an actual statement from Newbill, Wilson, or MU on any of this?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: bilsu on June 30, 2010, 09:07:41 AM
The only thing that will make me happy about this is if Newbill goes to prep school this year and resigns with MU in November. Otherwise it really stinks'
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: The Lens on June 30, 2010, 09:09:31 AM
The only thing that will make me happy about this is if Newbill goes to prep school this year and resigns with MU in November. Otherwise it really stinks'

+1
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: 4everwarriors on June 30, 2010, 09:17:08 AM
That's not happening. Buzz has raised the bar on recruits and likely to aim higher, especially with only 3 open schollies next year.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NotAnAlum on June 30, 2010, 09:32:27 AM
As long as we are speculating (and that is all we can do because MU probably can’t officially comment on this anyway) how about this for a scenario that explains everything.
   The coaching staff has known for a long time that for some reason, maybe grades maybe missing a requirement etc, that Newbill will be unlikely to be able to enroll at MU this year.  Hence the comment from Buzz several weeks back that “one or more recruits will go to prep school.”  They wait for the application knowing that if things don’t change it is going to be rejected by MU and Newbill will need to go to prep school.  However they keep the LOI in place because it stops other 4 year colleges with lower entrance requirements from recruiting Newbill.  Once he goes Prep the LOI is canceled anyway but that might not happen until he enrolls somewhere in late summer to late for other colleges to sign him.  The staff figured Newbill will simply be re-recruited for next year’s class.  Now with the signing of Wilson the position Newbill would have come in to fill next year is filled by Wilson.  For MU this is a bird in the hand and given Wilson’s talent they have to take it.  Now it no longer makes sense to “park” Newbill at a prep school since they probably can’t take him anyway next year.  Those other scholarships need to be used for a potential point guard (which Buzz has even mentioned he might be looking for in the next class) and the elusive big man power forward.  So at this point they cut Newbill loose which at least gives him a shot at enrolling in a 4 year this coming fall if he wants to.  It’s certainly not the cleanest deal but it’s not nearly as “mean spirited” as what some posters are making it out to be.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Hards Alumni on June 30, 2010, 09:35:19 AM
Well, Newbill could always attend Oregon... I hear they have some openings... :-\
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NCMUFan on June 30, 2010, 09:37:13 AM
Let the whole story come out.  A recruit is not coming.  A transfer is coming.  Thats all we really know.  Everything else is speculation. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Pakuni on June 30, 2010, 09:50:57 AM
Let the whole story come out.  A recruit is not coming.  A transfer is coming.  Thats all we really know.  Everything else is speculation. 

I would only add that many weeks (months?) ago Buzz publicly stated that a recruit would not be coming. I think many of us assumed that had changed with Mbao's departure, but perhaps that is not the case.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 10:15:21 AM
As long as we are speculating (and that is all we can do because MU probably can’t officially comment on this anyway) how about this for a scenario that explains everything.
   The coaching staff has known for a long time that for some reason, maybe grades maybe missing a requirement etc, that Newbill will be unlikely to be able to enroll at MU this year.  Hence the comment from Buzz several weeks back that “one or more recruits will go to prep school.”  They wait for the application knowing that if things don’t change it is going to be rejected by MU and Newbill will need to go to prep school.  However they keep the LOI in place because it stops other 4 year colleges with lower entrance requirements from recruiting Newbill.  Once he goes Prep the LOI is canceled anyway but that might not happen until he enrolls somewhere in late summer to late for other colleges to sign him.  The staff figured Newbill will simply be re-recruited for next year’s class.  Now with the signing of Wilson the position Newbill would have come in to fill next year is filled by Wilson.  For MU this is a bird in the hand and given Wilson’s talent they have to take it.  Now it no longer makes sense to “park” Newbill at a prep school since they probably can’t take him anyway next year... It’s certainly not the cleanest deal but it’s not nearly as “mean spirited” as what some posters are making it out to be.


You did a much better job laying out the scenario than I did in another thread, but there is no doubt in my mind that this is very close to what actually took place, despite the claims of how badly Newbill was wronged. How so many here can quickly move to the point of disappointment in Buzz, based on very limited knowledge of the situation is beyond me. There is nothing to indicate that he was not completely upfront and honest throughout whatever process took place, yet what I have read here is far too many people giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy nobody has ever met or spoken to, posting something on this board, as opposed to Buzz, who I would say has earned that benefit of the doubt to this point.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: martyconlonontherun on June 30, 2010, 10:27:20 AM
You did a much better job laying out the scenario than I did in another thread, but there is no doubt in my mind that this is very close to what actually took place, despite the claims of how badly Newbill was wronged. How so many here can quickly move to the point of disappointment in Buzz, based on very limited knowledge of the situation is beyond me. There is nothing to indicate that he was not completely upfront and honest throughout whatever process took place, yet what I have read here is far too many people giving the benefit of the doubt to a guy nobody has ever met or spoken to, posting something on this board, as opposed to Buzz, who I would say has earned that benefit of the doubt to this point.
A lot of us are just saying we can't find a scenario where it comes out sneaky clean. So basically in the scenario above, we aren't letting a player that won't play for us be tied to a LOI that won't be honored by either and preventing him signing with other schools until we recruit over him?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: DiaperDandy on June 30, 2010, 10:35:12 AM
All I know is whether MU is to blame or not, lately we have had a negative light when it comes to new recruits.  This is getting old now.  First Roseboro, then Maymon, then Yous, and now Newbill.  This seems like a lot of negative publicity for MU recruiting regardless of the situations at hand.  Does anyone else feel this way?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 30, 2010, 10:41:22 AM
A lot of us are just saying we can't find a scenario where it comes out sneaky clean. So basically in the scenario above, we aren't letting a player that won't play for us be tied to a LOI that won't be honored by either and preventing him signing with other schools until we recruit over him?

Why would we want to come out "sneaky clean"? Amazingly, the post goes downhill after that.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 10:43:41 AM
Does anyone else feel this way?

You choose to look at it from the perspective of the guys that are not arriving/remaining at MU, while I look at it from the perspective of those that are. When you look at the players that are choosing to come to MU, I'm not sure how anyone can conclude that MU has had a negative light when it comes to new recruits.

When you get right down to it, perhaps leaving Newbill out for the moment, can anyone conclude that any of those guys would be better off riding the bench (at best) at MU, vs. potentially going elsewhere and having a chance to play, fit in better, succeed academically, etc?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on June 30, 2010, 10:49:44 AM
Anyone can call it what you want, I didn't like DJ as a player in what I was reading. I'll take Wilson over Newbill anyday. He is a big boy, he'll be fine.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 10:49:52 AM
So basically in the scenario above, we aren't letting a player that won't play for us be tied to a LOI that won't be honored by either and preventing him signing with other schools until we recruit over him?

Again, assuming this is the case, for there to be anything wrong with it, you have to conclude that Buzz and staff were not forthcoming with the player from the very beginning and throughout. If anyone has anything to suggest or even suspect that is the case, I'd love to hear what it is.

I think its also time to stop pretending that players and their families have no ability to assess a situation and make decisions. Nobody is forcing these players to choose MU. They are making that decision, and if there is writing on the wall, or known, communicated  risks that they choose to ignore, then that's on them when they are realized.

Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 30, 2010, 10:52:13 AM
All I know is whether MU is to blame or not, lately we have had a negative light when it comes to new recruits.  This is getting old now.  First Roseboro, then Maymon, then Yous, and now Newbill.  This seems like a lot of negative publicity for MU recruiting regardless of the situations at hand.  Does anyone else feel this way?

Yes. I think the "negative publicity" surrounding the recruitments of Jimmy Butler, Chris OTule, DJO, Dwight Buycks, Joe Fulce, Erik Williams, Jae Crowder, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Junior Cadougan, Davante Gardner and Vander Blue have done irreparable damage to MU from which we're unlikely to recover.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on June 30, 2010, 10:59:18 AM
All I know is whether MU is to blame or not, lately we have had a negative light when it comes to new recruits.  This is getting old now.  First Roseboro, then Maymon, then Yous, and now Newbill.  This seems like a lot of negative publicity for MU recruiting regardless of the situations at hand.  Does anyone else feel this way?
No. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: bradforster on June 30, 2010, 11:05:02 AM
I have had direct contact with both Stan Laws (DJ's coach and mentor) and DJ himself.  I don't have Marquette's account of how this unfolded and I probably never will.  Let me be as succinct as possible.  The coach and the student athlete feel wronged here.  Period.  

I am only reporting what I know from the DJ Newbill side. Throughout this process DJ and his coach had nothing but great things to say about Marquette and its basketball program.  They were blindsided yesterday by an assistant coach.  Buzz did not call Stan or DJ to relay the disheartening news.  That is the most disturbing part of this calamity.  Again, I don't pretend to know Buzz's side of this, but when you portray yourself as a guy of high moral fiber and estimable character YOU need to make the phone call to DJ and his family no matter how difficult it may be.  

Where am I wrong here?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ATWizJr on June 30, 2010, 11:07:48 AM
If Brad's account of this is correct, I will be disappointed in how things were handled.  Of course, we are getting only one side of things, however, for the kid and those around him, perception is reality.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on June 30, 2010, 11:12:09 AM
Again, I don't pretend to know Buzz's side of this, but when you portray yourself as a guy of high moral fiber and estimable character YOU need to make the phone call to DJ and his family no matter how difficult it may be.  

Where am I wrong here?

I really don't understand why Buzz had to be that guy.  From your accounts, it sounds like Monarch is and has been the main contact and primary recruiter for Newbill.  Why wouldn't Monarch be the guy then to break the news?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 11:13:57 AM
Again, I don't pretend to know Buzz's side of this, but when you portray yourself as a guy of high moral fiber and estimable character YOU need to make the phone call to DJ and his family no matter how difficult it may be.  


Why? By all account the assistant had more of a relationship anyway. To suggest Buzz didn't want to make that call because it would be a difficult call is laughable.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Gato78 on June 30, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
Brad: Did you speak directly with DJ since yesterday? If so, did he confirm that there have been discussions of him going to prep school throughout the recruitment? If so, which prep school was the intended prep school?

I have had direct contact with both Stan Laws (DJ's coach and mentor) and DJ himself.  I don't have Marquette's account of how this unfolded and I probably never will.  Let me be as succinct as possible.  The coach and the student athlete feel wronged here.  Period.  

I am only reporting what I know from the DJ Newbill side. Throughout this process DJ and his coach had nothing but great things to say about Marquette and its basketball program.  They were blindsided yesterday by an assistant coach.  Buzz did not call Stan or DJ to relay the disheartening news.  That is the most disturbing part of this calamity.  Again, I don't pretend to know Buzz's side of this, but when you portray yourself as a guy of high moral fiber and estimable character YOU need to make the phone call to DJ and his family no matter how difficult it may be.  

Where am I wrong here?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Benny B on June 30, 2010, 11:20:25 AM
someone asked me a question saying what number will dj wear in the fall. I gave them a true answer he wont be attending mu in the fall. This is a fact no one at mu told dj he is no longer wanted at mu. I was asked to relay the message from buzz by scott. Its as simple as that. Dj is qualified and scot gave no real reason and that fine life goes on and the healing begins for this kid. And yes i coached dj this past season and let the team to a 23 an 0 record before being removed by the principal because she was jealous the success she thought i was having. Its never about me but all about the kids. Coached dj since 8th grade and volunteered at strawberry mansion as a asst until last year. I took over as a volunteer iterim head coach until that fiasco. Read the articles if u must know.


First off all, the "I got fired because my boss is jealous" excuse is complete bullsh** in my opinion.  Such a petty remark.   And if it truly is about the kids, then why even make such an arrogant statement in the prior sentence?  I would expect a little more graciousness from an ordained minister.

Secondly, it seems that Brad Forster is a little too close to the DJ Newbill camp to be providing an impartial opinion of the situation (judging by how much he has talked up DJ over the past few months).  I loved the guy's Walk it Out video with Buzz, but he's not exactly an insider.  Plus, he himself admitted that he's only telling one side of the story.

I'm sorry... this whole thing just doesn't fly with me.  Even if the missing application is a petty excuse, it's still legitimate.  But I find it highly doubtful that the first mention of the application was made yesterday... chances are MU has been asking for a couple months.

Buuuuut.... since we're speculating, here's my conspiracy theory: the Newbill camp has been trying to leverage the MU offer with another school (or schools) and was able to obtain a verbal commitment from a school closer to Philly contingent upon DJ obtaining a release from MU.  MU agreed to the release but asked for the standard prohibition on Big East transfers.  Newbill camp wasn't pleased with this (likely because the new destination is also Big East), and has been sitting on this issue for quite some time.  Newbill's camp finally broke their silence yesterday when Scott was asked to make a "WTF?" / "Deliver the Ultimatum" call to Laws.  The transfer request out of Duckland is purely coincidental & Brad is being suckered in.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: GoldenWarrior on June 30, 2010, 11:33:55 AM
The transfer request out of Duckland is purely coincidental & Brad is being suckered in.
Don't buy that for a second myself, but at the same time... who knows?!  No one knows for sure what just went down exactly other than DJ Newbill is not coming to MU and Wilson is.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Shack on June 30, 2010, 11:35:05 AM
He sounds like a good kid and works hard.  I’m not trying to be negative at all towards Newbill.   But ever since this kid agreed to attend MU, I’ve seen numerous posts from Brad Forester and Philly Coach singing his praises.  Just a little odd, considering we don’t see this kind of post hype from other recruits we sign. 
It almost seemed like they were still trying hard to sell us on DJ after he already had been “committed.”    If he was that good it would have come out on the court.  Maybe he’s not Big East material and the Newbill camp knew all along he was option B in case whatever guy we had waiting in the wings  didn’t sign. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: DiaperDandy on June 30, 2010, 12:15:39 PM
Yes. I think the "negative publicity" surrounding the recruitments of Jimmy Butler, Chris OTule, DJO, Dwight Buycks, Joe Fulce, Erik Williams, Jae Crowder, Jamail Jones, Reggie Smith, Junior Cadougan, Davante Gardner and Vander Blue have done irreparable damage to MU from which we're unlikely to recover.
Yes this is true that we have other great recruits coming in and on the current roster, but with the situation with Roseboro and now DJ I believe we may have a hard time recruiting the Philedelphia area anytime soon because we of these transfers.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 30, 2010, 12:17:42 PM
I have had direct contact with both Stan Laws (DJ's coach and mentor) and DJ himself.  I don't have Marquette's account of how this unfolded and I probably never will.  Let me be as succinct as possible.  The coach and the student athlete feel wronged here.  Period.  

I am only reporting what I know from the DJ Newbill side. Throughout this process DJ and his coach had nothing but great things to say about Marquette and its basketball program.  They were blindsided yesterday by an assistant coach.  Buzz did not call Stan or DJ to relay the disheartening news.  That is the most disturbing part of this calamity.  Again, I don't pretend to know Buzz's side of this, but when you portray yourself as a guy of high moral fiber and estimable character YOU need to make the phone call to DJ and his family no matter how difficult it may be.  

Where am I wrong here?

You're not wrong on any point in this explanation. However, you must understand, that for 15-20 people in these threads you'll never be right. They simply won't allow it. For them, this is all above board and they see enough in the vagueness of the situation to feel comfortable pinning the departure on Newbill and his family (mentor included).

One area I do agree with you is that Buzz should have made the call. Yes, Monarch pulled the trigger on Newbill (which serves as a strike against his promotion last summer) and was his main contact but as the face of the progrum, and a guy who lays it all out there during public/private events with alumni, surely this communication could have been handled better.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Final Four or Bust on June 30, 2010, 12:19:09 PM
Obviously we don't know the facts, but I agree with others that I doubt it was the first time the coaches asked about the application, and if there were comments about lack of commitment that may have some basis in truth.  Fact of the matter is if my new boss or coach was asking me to fill out paperwork and prepare class schedules and I blew them off for some time then it would be reasonalbe to conclude it could be a harbinger of things to come- especially when we know how many demands are placed in players academically and athletically.  Who knows why it was completed (or maybe even signed), but that isn't a good way to start a relationship with your new boss.  If players refused to do things coaches ask (obviously within reason), wouldn't that be grounds to dismiss any player, on the roster or not?  Who knows, but that would go to the comments about lack of commitment.  I do hope we hear more though.   
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: GGGG on June 30, 2010, 12:22:32 PM
To be honest Final Four, it was probably the opposite.  When Wilson's camp started talking about the transfer, my guess is that Buzz and Co stopped worrying about summer school and his application for the fall.  I doubt they really even asked for it. 

If this is the "good news" that IWB has been mentioning, it has obviously been in the work for weeks, if not months.  Buzz knew how this was going to play out.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: rocky_warrior on June 30, 2010, 12:27:33 PM
If this is the "good news" that IWB has been mentioning, it has obviously been in the work for weeks, if not months.  Buzz knew how this was going to play out.

I think IWB said he'd give us something to be excited about.  I also think he was referring to the Milwaukee Pro Am.  IMO, he may have had some clues on Jamil/DJ, but I don't think he was referring to that in his statement here on Scoop.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 12:35:55 PM
They simply won't allow it. For them, this is all above board and they see enough in the vagueness of the situation to feel comfortable pinning the departure on Newbill and his family (mentor included).


While others see enough in the vagueness of the situation to conclude that Buzz and staff did something wrong.

BTW, who are those 15-20 people who have declared the discussion closed? I have seen many who are willing to suggest alternate theories as to what they believe may have taken place, and extend the benefit of the doubt to a guy who seems to have earned it, and have expressed some healthy skepticism and aren't willing to take one side's story at face value. But, I'm not sure I have seen a single person declare unequivocally that this was all above board, as you suggest.
 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: LON on June 30, 2010, 12:43:39 PM
You're not wrong on any point in this explanation. However, you must understand, that for 15-20 people in these threads you'll never be right. They simply won't allow it. For them, this is all above board and they see enough in the vagueness of the situation to feel comfortable pinning the departure on Newbill and his family (mentor included).

One area I do agree with you is that Buzz should have made the call. Yes, Monarch pulled the trigger on Newbill (which serves as a strike against his promotion last summer) and was his main contact but as the face of the progrum, and a guy who lays it all out there during public/private events with alumni, surely this communication could have been handled better.

I think it's actually 15-20 that usually think you are wrong.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Final Four or Bust on June 30, 2010, 12:46:48 PM
To be honest Final Four, it was probably the opposite.  When Wilson's camp started talking about the transfer, my guess is that Buzz and Co stopped worrying about summer school and his application for the fall.  I doubt they really even asked for it. 

If this is the "good news" that IWB has been mentioning, it has obviously been in the work for weeks, if not months.  Buzz knew how this was going to play out.

Possibly, who knows.  Maybe he wasn't responsive from the start, and the staff grew ever frustrated and when a another alternative arose they decided to cut ties rather than deal with having to pressure him. We nay never know, but I can see many alterernatives where the staff isn't the one to blame here.   Then again, maybe that is hat I hope.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on June 30, 2010, 12:51:36 PM
Obviously we don't know the facts, but I agree with others that I doubt it was the first time the coaches asked about the application, and if there were comments about lack of commitment that may have some basis in truth.  Fact of the matter is if my new boss or coach was asking me to fill out paperwork and prepare class schedules and I blew them off for some time then it would be reasonalbe to conclude it could be a harbinger of things to come- especially when we know how many demands are placed in players academically and athletically.  Who knows why it was completed (or maybe even signed), but that isn't a good way to start a relationship with your new boss.  If players refused to do things coaches ask (obviously within reason), wouldn't that be grounds to dismiss any player, on the roster or not?  Who knows, but that would go to the comments about lack of commitment.  I do hope we hear more though.   

I have a really generic question, perhaps incredibly naive as well.

How does a kid sign a National Letter of Intent to come to a school, we put out a press release saying how great it is to have him at MU, etc, etc, and he hasn't even applied for admittance to the university?


Shouldn't A come before B?


Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Litehouse on June 30, 2010, 12:52:43 PM
We still don't have any info on whether DJ knew this might be a possibility or if MU discussed the possible prep school route with him beforehand.  There have been numerous reports, even from Buzz himself, that a player was likely going the prep school route and that the player knew the situation.  It was even mentioned on the message boards several months ago that the player was DJ.  I'm sure DJ and his family were disappointed by the news yesterday that he would end up having to go that route to get to MU, but I doubt that's the first they heard of it.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Golden Avalanche on June 30, 2010, 12:53:44 PM
I think it's actually 15-20 that usually think you are wrong.

Maybe. Everyone has a right to be skeptical.

Yet, over six weeks ago, I was spot on when I wrote that Newbill would not be at Marquette.  :-\
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: reinko on June 30, 2010, 12:55:08 PM
I have a really generic question, perhaps incredibly naive as well.

How does a kid sign a National Letter of Intent to come to a school, we put out a press release saying how great it is to have him at MU, etc, etc, and he hasn't even applied for admittance to the university?


Shouldn't A come before B?




I imagine MU is in the minority of institutions that actually requires an application to be on file.  You really think DeMarcus Cousins filled out the Common Application to go to UK  :P
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on June 30, 2010, 12:58:58 PM
I imagine MU is in the minority of institutions that actually requires an application to be on file.  You really think DeMarcus Cousins filled out the Common Application to go to UK  :P

I can only go by what we do here in California.  The player MUST apply to even be considered.  Hell, in places like Stanford, the athletic department cannot even offer a scholarship without a contingency that the student athlete is accepted first (I know this because my niece and nephew both played Water Polo at Stanford).


This whole thing really stinks.  Of course our fans will forget it with the W's, but it's not the way we should be doing things at Marquette. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: DiaperDandy on June 30, 2010, 01:10:25 PM
This whole thing really stinks.  Of course our fans will forget it with the W's, but it's not the way we should be doing things at Marquette. 
Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 02:39:41 PM
This whole thing really stinks.  Of course our fans will forget it with the W's, but it's not the way we should be doing things at Marquette. 

Since you have concluded we should not be doing things this way at MU, how exactly was this thing done? What exactly is this thing?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: damuts222 on June 30, 2010, 02:43:07 PM
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Since you have concluded we should not be doing things this way at MU, how exactly was this thing done? What exactly is this thing?

 Treating our players like they are stocks/commodities
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 30, 2010, 02:50:59 PM
Since you have concluded we should not be doing things this way at MU, how exactly was this thing done? What exactly is this thing?

Nobody knows for sure.  But, some of us are concerned that "this thing" is offering a kid a scholarship, getting him to sign a LOI, and then telling him that we're not going to take him after all even though he qualifies.  This scenario, completely separate and apart from who might be replacing him, troubles some of us.  If Newbill didn't qualify for some reason, that's completely different.  But we're told that he qualified.  I'm not sure I think that the failure to file the application changes this for me.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: MU06CU10 on June 30, 2010, 02:53:05 PM
Nobody knows for sure.  But, some of us are concerned that "this thing" is offering a kid a scholarship, getting him to sign a LOI, and then telling him that we're not going to take him after all even though he qualifies.  This scenario, completely separate and apart from who might be replacing him, troubles some of us.  If Newbill didn't qualify for some reason, that's completely different.  But we're told that he qualified.  I'm not sure I think that the failure to file the application changes this for me.

I admittedly jumped to worst case scenario when I first heard, but you should take a look at IWB's post. True, we can't be 100% sure that's the real story, but it makes a lot more sense than Buzz just blindsiding DJ when we've been hearing for months now that someone was probably going to prep for a year.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 30, 2010, 03:06:41 PM
I admittedly jumped to worst case scenario when I first heard, but you should take a look at IWB's post. True, we can't be 100% sure that's the real story, but it makes a lot more sense than Buzz just blindsiding DJ when we've been hearing for months now that someone was probably going to prep for a year.

I agree that it does make sense and I really hope that it's true.  That would make it a case of hopeful thinking on DJ's part and a coach/mentor who might not be as plugged in as he thinks he is and/or as he wants others to think he is.  Another thing that I would really like to know, assuming IWB's post is correct, did Buzz contact DJ and/or the coach who was involved in the recruiting and knew what was going on?  This could explain why Monarch, and not Buzz, contacted PhillyCoach.

Obviously, if this is true, I have far less of a problem with this than if the other story is true.  I still would question taking a commitment from a kid in the hopes that something will open up.  That seems quite likely to cause disappointment at the last minute -- as apparently it has.  I don't see it as a big problem though.  But if the report is true, it shows that even with very clear communication throughout the process, it can be a problem at the very end.  Perhaps it would have been better to just refuse the LOI (I assume you can do that) and deliver the same message (i.e., "if things change, we'd love to have you").  If everything happened the way IWB describes, I suspect Buzz learned a lesson here.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 03:10:09 PM
Nobody knows for sure.  But, some of us are concerned that "this thing" is offering a kid a scholarship, getting him to sign a LOI, and then telling him that we're not going to take him after all even though he qualifies.  This scenario, completely separate and apart from who might be replacing him, troubles some of us.  If Newbill didn't qualify for some reason, that's completely different.  But we're told that he qualified.  I'm not sure I think that the failure to file the application changes this for me.

Two questions:

1) If Buzz and staff were completely upfront and honest with him throughout the process you describe above, is there any reason this should be a problem?

2) Is there any indication/evidence, or any reason to believe that Buzz and staff have not been completely upfront and honest with Newbill, or any other recruit/player for that matter?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: McMARQthy on June 30, 2010, 03:14:43 PM
Buzz was just trying to be more like his idol Fr Wild and withdraw an offer already in place
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 30, 2010, 03:22:09 PM
Two questions:

1) If Buzz and staff were completely upfront and honest with him throughout the process you describe above, is there any reason this should be a problem?

2) Is there any indication/evidence, or any reason to believe that Buzz and staff have not been completely upfront and honest with Newbill, or any other recruit/player for that matter?

It might be that I answered these questions in the post immediately above yours, but here goes:

1)  Not really.  As I said it might be bad judgment on Buzz's part because of the likelihood that there is a really good chance that ultimately you're going to have to tell the kid, "it's not going to work out..."  But I don't really have a problem with it.  I think it would be a little easier if there was no LOI because that suggests a more definite arrangement than really existed.  I think it would "look better" if the status quo is that he's not going to come and then if something changes you can add him.  As it is, the assumed status quo was that he was coming and this seems like a big curve very late in the game.  It appears that the assumptions were based upon incomplete information.  But, to be clear, I really don't think it's a problem if they were completely up front and honest.  

2)  Yes, there is some evidence that Buzz and his staff have not been completely up front and honest with Newbill.  Newbill apparently is saying so.  One of his former coaches is saying so.  They might not be telling the truth.  They might have misunderstood.  The former coach might have been hopelessly out of the loop.  But, that is evidence.  We can choose to believe that the weight of the evidence suggests otherwise (and IWB's post certainly goes a long, long way to making me feel this is the case), but you can't say "there is no evidence."  We apparently have a "he said/he said" going on here.  I will probably never know exactly what happened, but frankly I think IWB's explanation makes more sense than the other.  And this is coming from someone who one hour ago couldn't really see how there would be any explanation that would make sense.  The application thing really didn't make any sense to me.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on June 30, 2010, 03:47:11 PM
[quote author=StillAWarrior link=topic=20874.msg220474#msg220474 date=1277928401

Obviously, if this is true, I have far less of a problem with this than if the other story is true.  I still would question taking a commitment from a kid in the hopes that something will open up.  That seems quite likely to cause disappointment at the last minute -- as apparently it has.  I don't see it as a big problem though.  But if the report is true, it shows that even with very clear communication throughout the process, it can be a problem at the very end.  Perhaps it would have been better to just refuse the LOI (I assume you can do that) and deliver the same message (i.e., "if things change, we'd love to have you").  If everything happened the way IWB describes, I suspect Buzz learned a lesson here.
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What lesson?  That if a kid knows there may not be a place for him AND WANTS TO COMMIT ANYWAY, that you should refuse to let him do so?!?!?!  What good does that do anybody?   
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: StillAWarrior on June 30, 2010, 04:01:28 PM
[quote author=StillAWarrior link=topic=20874.msg220474#msg220474 date=1277928401

Obviously, if this is true, I have far less of a problem with this than if the other story is true.  I still would question taking a commitment from a kid in the hopes that something will open up.  That seems quite likely to cause disappointment at the last minute -- as apparently it has.  I don't see it as a big problem though.  But if the report is true, it shows that even with very clear communication throughout the process, it can be a problem at the very end.  Perhaps it would have been better to just refuse the LOI (I assume you can do that) and deliver the same message (i.e., "if things change, we'd love to have you").  If everything happened the way IWB describes, I suspect Buzz learned a lesson here.


What lesson?  That if a kid knows there may not be a place for him AND WANTS TO COMMIT ANYWAY, that you should refuse to let him do so?!?!?!  What good does that do anybody?   

Yes, exactly that lesson.  The good that it does is that the kid doesn't feel like he's being led on.  As I've very clearly said, I don't really have a problem with what Buzz did (if it's as IWB described).  But it's been reported that Newbill feels wronged.  Maybe it's his fault that he feels wronged.  Maybe he was naive.  But, if Buzz is the person that he holds him out to be (and I feel much better about that now than I did two hours ago), I'm sure he didn't want to cause hard feelings or leave Newbill feeling wronged.  If he'd said, "I like you but you just don't fit into this recruiting class.  Maybe something will change.  Maybe you can go to prep.  Why don't you hold on to that LOI until we see how things shake out" there would have been less chance of Newbill getting his hopes up.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on June 30, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
Since you have concluded we should not be doing things this way at MU, how exactly was this thing done? What exactly is this thing?

Simple Navin, kids signs NLI you honor that commitment.  He plays year one, is a team member.  That's what I mean.  It's not that hard.

I'm now being asked to believe that this kid turned down all other offers to sign with Marquette knowing there was a chance he would get cut if another kid was signed.....WTF....why on earth would a kid do that?  Why would a kid (his family, his coaches) allow a kid to sign a NLI, eliminating all of his options, knowing he could get cut before he stepped on campus day one?

Why?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: CrazyEcho on June 30, 2010, 04:36:24 PM
Simple Navin, kids signs NLI you honor that commitment.  He plays year one, is a team member.  That's what I mean.  It's not that hard.

I'm now being asked to believe that this kid turned down all other offers to sign with Marquette knowing there was a chance he would get cut if another kid was signed.....WTF....why on earth would a kid do that?  Why would a kid (his family, his coaches) allow a kid to sign a NLI, eliminating all of his options, knowing he could get cut before he stepped on campus day one?

Why?

BECAUSE IT WAS HIS ONLY HIGH-MAJOR OFFER!
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NavinRJohnson on June 30, 2010, 04:40:01 PM
Simple Navin, kids signs NLI you honor that commitment.  He plays year one, is a team member.  That's what I mean.  It's not that hard.


Of course its conveniently that black and white for you when the coach in question is Buzz Williams...What if the kid doesn't hold up his end? What if he's not likely to succeed, academically, athletically, personally? Is MU serving his best interest by bringing him in even if they don't believe he's a good fit? If they are upfront with him all along, and make it very clear such a move is a possibility, who's at fault for signing that NLI? You not surprisingly are choosing to give the benefit of the doubt to the player we no very little about, while others are willing to give it to the coach who clearly has earned it.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: NersEllenson on June 30, 2010, 05:07:08 PM
Maybe. Everyone has a right to be skeptical.

Yet, over six weeks ago, I was spot on when I wrote that Newbill would not be at Marquette.  :-\

I tip my cap to you on your prediction of 6 weeks ago.  I called you out about the merit of what you posted  - that Newbill wouldn't be coming to MU- so I owe you an apology.....Though it didn't quite play out like you'd indicated..fact is Newbill isn't coming to MU this year.  Having said this, it is amazing you would have been in the know 6 weeks ago, yet no one in the Newbill camp was aware of this until yesterday.  It is ironic that Philly Coach showed up posting on this board - just at the time you were stating DJ wouldn't be coming to MU...and Brad Forester started posting DJ videos working out, etc..at that very same time.  I'm not sure what your relationship is with the MU Basketball program - but whatever the case..it would seem that there would be no good reason for an insider to know about a situation like this..without the player having any clue about it being a possibility???  Thoughts?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: keefe on June 29, 2015, 12:26:49 AM
These are the facts that have been presented to me from the Newbill side:

1) Scott Monarch phones Stan Laws today to ask about DJ's MU application.
2) Coach Laws informs Scott he will have DJ complete the application immediately.
3) Monarch responds by saying Buzz is no longer certain of DJ's commitment to the program and questions whether Newbill will be dependable considering the application has yet to be completed.
4) After probing Scott further to get past what Stan considered a convenient excuse for Marquette to release DJ, Monarch informs Stan that all along he's been the only coach on staff who believes DJ's skills are Big East caliber.
5) Scott tells Stan that Buzz has decided to go another direction and he needs DJ to sign a form requesting his release from Marquette.  (Remember, DJ had already signed on the dotted line)

From what I have surmised, DJ may have been a bit late in completing the final application for official MU enrollment and the failure to submit the application was used as a way for the BB team to sever ties with him.  DJ had asked Stan just a few weeks ago why his friends were receiving calls from representatives of their respective universities, but he had heard nothing from Marquette.  In being presented the Newbill camp's side of the story it sure sounds like DJ was no longer in Marquette's plans, and after some additional probing by Stan Laws, Scott Monarch admitted as much.  DJ's family is devastated and it's awfully late in the game to try and latch on somewhere else.  It's highly disappointing that Buzz asked one of his assistant coaches to call Stan with the gut wrenching news and subsequently leave it to Stan to relay that news to DJ.  Again, this is Coach Laws version of what transpired today.

Lest we forget...

Character revealed...
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 29, 2015, 07:47:37 AM
Playing summer ball with Doc.  Hope he signed that contract.

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2015/6/27/8856601/penn-state-basketball-d-j-newbill-los-angeles-clippers
Title: Re: DJ Newbill No Longer Marquette Material
Post by: The Lens on June 29, 2015, 08:41:55 AM
Playing summer ball with Doc.  Hope he signed that contract.

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2015/6/27/8856601/penn-state-basketball-d-j-newbill-los-angeles-clippers

DJ plays for a MU Alum
Frank the Tank goes to Charlotte
Larry Nance, Jr plays with Kobe
Bobby Portis is a Bull

Life has a funny way of working out