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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: NersEllenson on March 02, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
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Correction from my original post below - thanks YoungMU fan for finding this link..amazing...and far more heartwarming...a must read
Heres the story
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0303/buzz-williams-friendcoaching-scuttlebuttcorey-edwards-update/
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Did anyone not see Tim Maymon..come down all crazy high fiving Mo, DJO, and Buzz from behind the scorers table at the end of the game? It was epic!! Jimmy, Zar and DJO were hugging Buzz walking off the court..all of a sudden Jimmy Butler says something..DJO hears it..looks toward scorers table..and turns and looks at Buzz and I could read his lips and puzzled look on his face saying to Buzz: J-May's Dad?!!
Saw this on TV..if you Tivo'd go back and watch after Buzz shakes Lville hands..he does some fist pumps..then walks with Zar, JB and DJO..Look to sideline, follow buzz..and voila: Tim Maymon!!
edit/update: It was not Maymon's dad, nor DJO's dad. Read far down for NBE link.
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are you serious?
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Saw that, but not 100% it was Maymon's dad. Didn't look like him, but I could be wrong.
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I was wondering who that was. If that was for sure him, that'd be great if they could bury hatchet and have a somewhat happy ending to this whole debacle. Pretty bizarre though, given his previous comments.
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are you serious?
100% serious..the look and expression on DJO's face was priceless..as was the high five between Buzz and Tim Maymon...EPIC!!
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Yeah I caught that too, but I wasnt sure, I thought it was my imagination
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This thread needs pictures.
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Can you confirm it wasn't Freeway? That would be way cooler, and just as confusing for the team/coaching staff. JMay's dad doing this is almost like a harbinger of doom.
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I'd be shocked if it was his dad...
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I saw that, and while it may have been Tim Maymon, I didn't think it was. Honestly, I thought it was DJO's dad, which is why he pointed the guy out to Buzz and led him that way.
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I'll get the rumor mill started...
It was Tokoto's dad.
;)
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The guy looked skinnier than Maymons dad from my vantage point, but heck, who knows.
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It was funny-I don't know what JMay's dad looks like, but that was my first thought. They all did look surprised to see whoever it was.
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We can only hope it was Tokoto's dad...! Seriously, I saw this too and didn't recognize the man - but I saw the MU players pointing him out to Buzz.
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I was a ways away in the student section and saw that. I thought the guy looked a little older than tim and had hair and glasses. It didn't look like him to me but who knows. All the players seemed pretty excited he was down there. Also saw Father Wild give Buzz an excited hand shake after as well.
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Definitely not Tim Maymon. Watched the DVR replay.
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It definitely resembled his dad.
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Come on Ners, even us low basketball IQ guys know it wasn't Timmy Maymon. ;)
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Come on Ners, even us low basketball IQ guys know it wasn't Timmy Maymon. ;)
You honestly don't have a high basketball IQ if you're the one leading the "wait and see on Buzz" charge.
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I was a ways away in the student section and saw that. I thought the guy looked a little older than tim and had hair and glasses. It didn't look like him to me but who knows. All the players seemed pretty excited he was down there. Also saw Father Wild give Buzz an excited hand shake after as well.
(http://wiki.muscoop.com/lib/exe/fetch.php/freeway/freeway.jpg?w=140)
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Thanks Wareagle, from the descriptions sounds like Freeway to me too.
I guess we just need a screen capture from today to verify :)
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I saw that at the end...definitely NOT Maymon's dad...and definitely NOT Freeway. The guy looked more like a mini Kimbo Slice than either of those two!
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I also just watched the DVR and after seeing Tim at a few high school games in the past it's definitely not him. But to me it look like DJO might have said "My dad" but its hard to read his lips.
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That was neither Tim Maymon nor Freeway.
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Does this qualify as "stupid topic of the year". Instead of saying it is Tim Maymon when clearly it wasn't, why not say who was the guy giving high fives with the team at the end? Got to say posts like this really make the message boards look like a congregating place for morons.
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(http://img188.yfrog.com/img188/236/6e7j.jpg)
DJO's dad, not TM.
http://img188.yfrog.com/i/6e7j.jpg/ (http://img188.yfrog.com/i/6e7j.jpg/)
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Definitely not Maymon.
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Thats awesome. Good for DJO and his father.
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You can clearly see DJO say "that's my Dad".
Great overall game from DJO. I hope his dad will stick around for Saturday to see DJO unleash another great performance!
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Pretty sure that's Jerry Smith's dad.
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Change name to...
check out awsome pick of team high fiving DJO's dad.
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Does this qualify as "stupid topic of the year". Instead of saying it is Tim Maymon when clearly it wasn't, why not say who was the guy giving high fives with the team at the end? Got to say posts like this really make the message boards look like a congregating place for morons.
My bad to everyone..public apology time..and I'm the only moron. Most fans would open this thread for the curiousity factor - so they don't qualify as morons. I made a mistake....but....from everything I saw....Jimmy's surprised look to the sideline, DJO saying something to Buzz -that from lip reading ability appeard to say JMay's Dad..and after subsequent rewind, and replays...it looked to me like Tim Maymon...which obviously would have been very bizarre, yet epic..and in my opinion...thread worthy.
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You can clearly see DJO say "that's my Dad".
Great overall game from DJO. I hope his dad will stick around for Saturday to see DJO unleash another great performance!
Hate to continue this thread as I feel bad for starting it...but.."That's My Dad" and "J-May's Dad"...are fairly similar if trying to read lips...so again, sorry.
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haha agreed! he had the kimbo slice hair cut going on and looked like he had a few screws loose!
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Freeway was definitely in the building. He was sitting up in 413 a couple of rows in front of me.
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(http://img188.yfrog.com/img188/236/6e7j.jpg)
DJO's dad, not TM.
http://img188.yfrog.com/i/6e7j.jpg/ (http://img188.yfrog.com/i/6e7j.jpg/)
That's awesome! He looks effing PUMPED! It's clearly where DJO gets his intensity from.
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You honestly don't have a high basketball IQ if you're the one leading the "wait and see on Buzz" charge.
Really? Would you like a list of about 50 coaches just in the last 15 years that crashed and burned after a wonderful start (you can begin with Mike Deane at MU). Sorry, I like a few years under my belt, but as I've said from the start...SO FAR, SO GOOD. You'll have to excuse me if I like to wait until a coach has his own players in the system and his teams are totally made up of his own players with 4 or 5 years of a track record. I'm just "low basketball IQ" crazy like that. ;D
Awesome that his dad was there to see his son play such a wonderful game.
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Really? Would you like a list of about 50 coaches just in the last 15 years that crashed and burned after a wonderful start (you can begin with Mike Deane at MU). Sorry, I like a few years under my belt, but as I've said from the start...SO FAR, SO GOOD. You'll have to excuse me if I like to wait until a coach has his own players in the system and his teams are totally made up of his own players with 4 or 5 years of a track record. I'm just "low basketball IQ" crazy like that. ;D
Awesome that his dad was there to see his son play such a wonderful game.
If you can't look at the product on the court and say to yourself, that team is coached damn well, then yes, you don't have any basketball IQ at all.
ChicosBailBonds : "Soft Bubble" & "Wait and See" :: Murff : "Diener is a dime a dozen pg"
You will never be able to live those stupid comments down.
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You'll have to excuse me if I like to wait until a coach has his own players in the system and his teams are totally made up of his own players with 4 or 5 years of a track record. I'm just "low basketball IQ" crazy like that. ;D
Says the guy who wanted Keno Davis ahead of Buzz, based on what he did in one season with his old man's players. ;)
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Freeway was definitely in the building. He was sitting up in 413 a couple of rows in front of me.
I saw him there too! Right in the asile between 412 and 413. He looked cleaned up too. Black Tommy Hilfiger coat, new hat, new glasses. Good for Freeway!
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I saw him there too! Right in the asile between 412 and 413. He looked cleaned up too. Black Tommy Hilfiger coat, new hat, new glasses. Good for Freeway!
What happened to the Packer jacket???? I bet that would go for some good coin on EBay!
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What happened to the Packer jacket???? I bet that would go for some good coin on EBay!
Uhhh, I think I'll leave the memory of Freeway's Packer jacket as just that . . . a memory. Don't want anything to do with "game worn" Freeway gear.
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Uhhh, I think I'll leave the memory of Freeway's Packer jacket as just that . . . a memory. Don't want anything to do with "game worn" Freeway gear.
Ha! A framed "game worn" Freeway Packer jacket would complete any hard core MU fan's memorabilia collection. The frame would also help mitigate the stench.
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If you can't look at the product on the court and say to yourself, that team is coached damn well, then yes, you don't have any basketball IQ at all.
ChicosBailBonds : "Soft Bubble" & "Wait and See" :: Murff : "Diener is a dime a dozen pg"
You will never be able to live those stupid comments down.
Here's a legit question:
If MU was really 12th place in the conference, and had lost their share of tough games (instead of winning all of these games), would you want Buzz fired?
I can't speak for Chico's, but my own "wait and see" is based upon the fact that I don't think you can fire, nor award a lifetime contract after 2 years.
Can you be excited? Hell yes. I'm excited. I LOVE what I see and hear right now from the coaches and the team.
Does Buzz have tenure? Not yet...
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That's awesome! He looks effing PUMPED! It's clearly where DJO gets his intensity from.
Also where DJO gets him stunning looks from. Snarling dog, with the gap in the front teeth
I love that cat
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Here's a legit question:
If MU was really 12th place in the conference, and had lost their share of tough games (instead of winning all of these games), would you want Buzz fired?
Obviously I'm as big of Buzz fan as there is, so my answer to the above question, would be "No." However, it would not surprise me in the least if some posters here started calling into question his coaching ability, etc. Heck, there have been a lot of second guessers this season as it's been. Not sure what some MU fans expect, but even if Buzz finished 12th..by no means should anyone have felt he should be fired - just based on the virtue of his two, back-to-back Top 20 recruiting classes alone..much less the cometitive nature of the team (if they were to have lost more of the close games they've won recently.)
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Here's a legit question:
If MU was really 12th place in the conference, and had lost their share of tough games (instead of winning all of these games), would you want Buzz fired?
I can't speak for Chico's, but my own "wait and see" is based upon the fact that I don't think you can fire, nor award a lifetime contract after 2 years.
Can you be excited? Hell yes. I'm excited. I LOVE what I see and hear right now from the coaches and the team.
Does Buzz have tenure? Not yet...
I'm pretty sure nobody has called for for a lifetime contract or tenure.
But I think many are saying, reasonably, that it appears MU made a great hire. Could that change? Well, yeah, of course. If we find out Buzz is luring recruits with hookers and blow, I suspect it will change a few minds.
Still, the strident refusal to credit MU for making what appears to be a great hire makes some go 'Hmmm.' I would guess it has less to do with anyone being anti-Buzz than it does with how critical some were of the hire and how it was handled. Seems some don't want to admit that those concerns may have been completely misguided.
Anyhow, that's my half-a** analysis.
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Obviously I'm as big of Buzz fan as there is, so my answer to the above question, would be "No." However, it would not surprise me in the least if some posters here started calling into question his coaching ability, etc. Heck, there have been a lot of second guessers this season as it's been. Not sure what some MU fans expect, but even if Buzz finished 12th..by no means should anyone have felt he should be fired - just based on the virtue of his two, back-to-back Top 20 recruiting classes alone..much less the cometitive nature of the team (if they were to have lost more of the close games they've won recently.)
That's fair, and I agree with you 100%.
It's that same logic that prevents me from thinking Buzz is infallible. Obviously nobody has come out and said "Buzz is infallible", but there are some pretty hardcore fans who are on the attack if anybody dare offer a mild critique.
There is a witch hunt for chico's because he's not ready to offer Buzz a lifetime deal (or so it seems) after only 2 years.
Again, I REALLY like what I have seen so far. We may have discovered a diamond in the rough. BUT, let's not pretend like Buzz Williams is John Wooden (yet :))
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I'm pretty sure nobody has called for for a lifetime contract or tenure.
But I think many are saying, reasonably, that it appears MU made a great hire. Could that change? Well, yeah, of course. If we find out Buzz is luring recruits with hookers and blow, I suspect it will change a few minds.
Still, the strident refusal to credit MU for making what appears to be a great hire makes some go 'Hmmm.' I would guess it has less to do with anyone being anti-Buzz than it does with how critical some were of the hire and how it was handled. Seems some don't want to admit that those concerns may have been completely misguided.
Anyhow, that's my half-a** analysis.
You're right about the lifetime contract. Nobody has said that.
But, has chico's or anybody else disagreed with Buzz "appears to be a great hire"?
I don't think anybody in their right mind could disagree with that statement.
However, there are some around here that appear to have taken it farther than "appears to be a great hire" and those are the people that I would say need to settle down a little bit.
Again, I love Buzz so far. But, let's not pretend like we can fully evaluate a coach in 2 years! (good or bad).
Mike Davis was awesome his first 2 years at IU
Coach K was pretty bad his first 3 years at Duke.
Who would you rather have?
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If we were really 12th, where we were picked to be, then NO, I would not want Buzz fired. I had no expectations heading into the season. However, after viewing the performance on the court thus far, as well as the players Buzz has brought into the program, there shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind about Buzz. You honestly have to be blind not to see the brilliance of this year's coaching job. Look at all the adversity that has been overcome and the chemistry this team has. How can you not extrapolate that out into future years? Hold out all you want though.
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If we were really 12th, where we were picked to be, then NO, I would not want Buzz fired. I had no expectations heading into the season. However, after viewing the performance on the court thus far, as well as the players Buzz has brought into the program, there shouldn't be any doubt in anyone's mind about Buzz. You honestly have to be blind not to see the brilliance of this year's coaching job. Look at all the adversity that has been overcome and the chemistry this team has. How can you not extrapolate that out into future years? Hold out all you want though.
Don't get me wrong:
- LOVE what has happened this year.
- Buzz has done as awesome job.
- I'm excited for future years.
There is just a little part of me that has seen similar things with other coaches, so I'm holding back my "man crush" a little bit.
Again, I wouldn't fire Buzz for finishing 12-16th, and I'm not going to fall in love for finishing in the top half. He deserves 3-4 years to prove himself, and I don't think it's unrealistic for MU to need 3-4 years to evaluate him.
Although, the end of the day, I'm not the president or AD of MU, so it really doesn't matter if I "hold back" I suppose.
WTF, I'm in!
I love Buzz.
edit: no personal attacks
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Freudian slip?
HAHA.
Touche.
I'll edit.
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I knew what you meant, I was just messin' with you.
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I completely understand Chico's 'so far-so good, but wait and see' attitude. He may slip up and may not be able to handle a team with 13 high major players clamoring for minutes. Hazel, Roseboro, Maymon left, Mo and Cubi quit or nearly quit. Still don't have a 6'10 stud. But what just pi$$e$ me off to no end are those who can't give him credit for the job he has done THIS year. No size, no bench, injuries, defections, getting huge contributions from players thought to be end of the bench guys. Go ahead and withhold long term judgement. But give it up for what he has done this year.
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Here's a legit question:
If MU was really 12th place in the conference, and had lost their share of tough games (instead of winning all of these games), would you want Buzz fired?
I can't speak for Chico's, but my own "wait and see" is based upon the fact that I don't think you can fire, nor award a lifetime contract after 2 years.
Can you be excited? Hell yes. I'm excited. I LOVE what I see and hear right now from the coaches and the team.
Does Buzz have tenure? Not yet...
I hope that by the time you and Chicos have "waited to see" that some other school hasn't come knocking and taken Buzz away because we've failed to try and keep him here long term.
In this age of what have you done for me lately, it is fair to hold judgement but don't be surprised if you wait too long and some big time program swoops in and takes advantage of MU's failure to act. (Not that I think MU will wait to give Buzz some love)
And to your question about loosing close games why don't you direct that to Indiana and ask them why they extended Crean's deal when he gets blown out? (Yeah, I got it, he's rebuilding at Indiana but Buzz was supposed to be rebuilding this year also)
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I hope that by the time you and Chicos have "waited to see" that some other school hasn't come knocking and taken Buzz away because we've failed to try and keep him here long term.
In this age of what have you done for me lately, it is fair to hold judgement but don't be surprised if you wait too long and some big time program swoops in and takes advantage of MU's failure to act. (Not that I think MU will wait to give Buzz some love)
And to your question about loosing close games why don't you direct that to Indiana and ask them why they extended Crean's deal when he gets blown out? (Yeah, I got it, he's rebuilding at Indiana but Buzz was supposed to be rebuilding this year also)
Actually, I'm treating Crean and Buzz the EXACT same way.
Crean deserves 3-4 years to build his program. IU can evaluate his overall performance at that time. After that, all bets are off.
Buzz deserves 3-4 years to build his program. MU can evaluate his overall performance at that time. After that, all bets are off.
Again, I'm not saying I don't like Buzz.
I LOVE what he had done. I'm excited for the future. Honestly, I am.
I'm just not AS excited as some others because I don't think you can really evaluate a coach (positively or negatively) in such a short time frame.
That's all.
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NOT DJO's DAD
Heres the story
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0303/buzz-williams-friendcoaching-scuttlebuttcorey-edwards-update/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0303/buzz-williams-friendcoaching-scuttlebuttcorey-edwards-update/)
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Freudian slip?
Freudian slip? Like when you mean to say to your wife, Please pass the butter, and instead it comes out, You f-ing bi-itch you ruined my life!
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NOT DJO's DAD
Heres the story
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0303/buzz-williams-friendcoaching-scuttlebuttcorey-edwards-update/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0303/buzz-williams-friendcoaching-scuttlebuttcorey-edwards-update/)
Back to the topic as opposed to another Buzz/Crean hijacked takeover thread. Good grief guys.....
This story is remarkable. A homeless guy that Buzz has watched over and interacted with. Invites him or just gets him tickets to the game and he actually shows up. No wonder the players went crazy. Who would ever think gestures like this happen.
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NOT DJO's DAD
Heres the story
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0303/buzz-williams-friendcoaching-scuttlebuttcorey-edwards-update/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0303/buzz-williams-friendcoaching-scuttlebuttcorey-edwards-update/)
Really a great story there. As long as he keeps on the good side of the Freeway line.
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Wow. The truth is so much cooler than our speculation.
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But what just pi$$e$ me off to no end are those who can't give him credit for the job he has done THIS year.
Really? Can you link to a post from anyone that "can't give him credit for the job he has done THIS year"???
Really like to see that.
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Wow. The truth is so much cooler than our speculation.
I second that!
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Actually, I'm treating Crean and Buzz the EXACT same way.
Crean deserves 3-4 years to build his program. IU can evaluate his overall performance at that time. After that, all bets are off.
Buzz deserves 3-4 years to build his program. MU can evaluate his overall performance at that time. After that, all bets are off.
Again, I'm not saying I don't like Buzz.
I LOVE what he had done. I'm excited for the future. Honestly, I am.
I'm just not AS excited as some others because I don't think you can really evaluate a coach (positively or negatively) in such a short time frame.
That's all.
fair enough.
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Wow. The truth is so much cooler than our speculation.
For sure - look how happy he looks in the screen cap above!
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What a great story....
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It's all fun and games until we find out it violates some kind of NCAA rule.
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What a story. With absolutely no prior media hype for Buzz' good deeds. How refreshing.
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That's awesome. It appears he had a helluva good time!
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That is an amazing story. Is there any video of it? I'm annoyed for having erased the game after watching it last night.
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This only impresses me more about Buzz--what a great model for the players! The fact that they got so excited about it as well only speaks to the fact that Buzz's lead is having an effect on them.
Just makes me proud to be an MU alum.
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This sort of got buried in that other thread so I thought I would make it a thread of its own.
by RAY MERNAGH
Marquette’s Biggest Fan
Last night after Marquette blasted Louisville, I noticed some of the players pointing out a man to Buzz Williams.
Williams and the players made a dramatic left turn towards the scorers table and greeted the man, who was even more excited than they were (and if you saw them last night that’s pretty damn excited). I had to get the story and asked Williams about it this morning when we were texting back and forth.
I figured he might have been the father of a player or a long-lost buddy. Turns out it was a man that Williams has had an ongoing friendship/dialogue with for some time. The man pops up all the time to visit Williams and the two talk about every day stuff while at the same time building some trust with each other. “It’s the craziest deal,” wrote Williams, “he knows when we play out of town and he’s waiting when our bus gets back to the office so he can say hello to me. He was so fired up last night, I wasn’t even sure he would show up because I knew he would be nervous in public. Our kids are the ones that saw him come out of the stands to see me.”
Williams said that Jimmy Butler was especially surprised. “Coach,” said Butler, “look, he came!” And if you saw the joy on the faces of the players at the moment they saw the man, it tells you a lot about Marquette, their kids, the program they’re building, and Williams. The players know the man’s homeless. They also know that he, like them, has built up some trust by following through on certain “suggestions” Williams makes to help himself and his situation. The education they’re getting at Marquette, even while immersed in basketball and away from the traditional “classroom” is truly in the Jesuit tradition. Williams and his players are definitely helping each other grow in mind, heart and spirit.
In the world of big-time college basketball that’s unbelievably huge…and so, so rare.
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Thats truely another great story for this year.
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I can almost guarantee you this guy will show up within a Buzz Williams profile piece on CBS if MU can get past the first round or two of the tournament.
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Could Marquette have chosen a better representative for the university? I know some will accuse me of hyperbole but when combining coaching and character I literally wouldn't trade him for any college coach in the country.
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Could Marquette have chosen a better representative for the university? I know some will accuse me of hyperbole but when combining coaching and character I literally wouldn't trade him for any college coach in the country.
Amen brother
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Wow, that is unreal. Anyone have a vid or something of the players looking at him? I never saw it live.
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Amazing story.
I think Al would have been quite proud at that moment of Buzz. It sounds so much like something Al would have done back in his day.
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Amen brother
+1 I'll second that.
If anyone was listening to Homer interviewing Buzz after the game, I swear he was crying (softly) while he was talking.....he is so proud of this team, and rightfully so....
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vid anyone? please.
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I was wondering what happened to Freeway Mike. He needs to get some more airtime by sidling up to the Jump Around Guy.
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I was wondering what happened to Freeway Mike. He needs to get some more airtime by sidling up to the Jump Around Guy.
He's still around, but now he's in the upper deck, not lower bowl.
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I was wondering what happened to Freeway Mike. He needs to get some more airtime by sidling up to the Jump Around Guy.
Freeway is still around. He was in Turner's after the South Florida game last month. Same old Freeway....loves Marquette basketball!
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Freeway is still around. He was in Turner's after the South Florida game last month. Same old Freeway....loves Marquette basketball!
Yeah, except he likes the Badgers more, or so he told us during the Cincy-MU 2003 game. Thank god we won the conference that day otherwise that might have been one of the most depressing days of my life.