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Title: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on January 30, 2010, 02:04:24 PM
http://twitter.com/NorthstarBball/status/8421337987

6'3" 170 lb wing out of Philadelphia area.  Attended Marquette's Speciality Camp in August 2009.

Yes, I know it's not a big, but he just dropped 64 in a game 3 weeks ago  :o

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columnists/ted_silary/80969257.html
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2010, 02:08:29 PM
Interesting.  Didn't expect that - if true.

And just to copy the tweet
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According to a source with knowledge of the situation, DJ Newbill '10 of Strawberry Mansion (PA) committed to Marquette today.
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: Clam Crowder on January 30, 2010, 02:09:50 PM
Where was this reported? Don't see too much on the kid, is he a SG?
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 30, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
A bit off-topic.  From the story above

After Newbill rang up 64 points in Mansion's 105-14 Public C destruction of visiting W.B. Saul, Razorbacks' boss Paul Winters described himself as being "disappointed in the lack of sportsmanship."

Earlier, he had almost caused an all-time scene.

"They pressed fullcourt until the score was 37-0," Winters said. "I went over to the refs and told them, 'If he doesn't call off the dogs, I'm going to walk out onto the middle of the court two times. You'll give me two techs and the game will be over.'

(Games may not continue if a coach, without an assistant on hand, is ejected.)
"They stopped pressing then. But they were still trying to steal the ball - at one point, we began stalling - and they left the kid in the whole game. Well, almost. I'd say he played 30 minutes."


Is this just a PA rule or a natiowide rule?
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: bigmb11 on January 30, 2010, 02:11:31 PM
here is a clip of him making a game winning shot, number 25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOSbQODVYxA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOSbQODVYxA)
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 02:12:07 PM
LOVE IT!!  Don't know alot about the kid, but article says he was getting widespread D1 interest.  Plays in Philly, great basketball city...

We all know we need a big, and we still have 1 scholarship to go get one with.  I think Buzz's plan is to play 40 minutes of hell ball, will press a ton, and spread floor and utlize similar offensive strategy as we've seen this year..which has been very effective.
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 30, 2010, 02:12:28 PM
Wow .. what a game story .. 105-14 .. they were full court pressing until 37-0 when the (losing) coach said he'd get two technicals and go home if they didn't stop pressing.

What terrible sportsmanship on the winning coach's side.   D-bag.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: boyonthedock on January 30, 2010, 02:13:52 PM
yeah, that makes 60 odd points less impressive
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 30, 2010, 02:14:43 PM
Overreaction from Scoop community starts in...

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Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2010, 02:14:47 PM
Looks like a story similar to DJO where others had interest, but not many were expecting him to qualify?  Meanwhile, Buzz had the full court press on all along? (pardon the pun...)

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Newbill, who recently became academically qualified for freshman eligibility, is receiving widespread Division 1 interest. He scored his 64 points, according to Mansion assistant coach Stan Laws, by shooting 24-for-30 from the floor and 16-for-17 at the line. His by-quarter breakdown: 14-18-15-17. The record came on a layup.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: groove on January 30, 2010, 02:15:33 PM
The game winning shot in the video is pretty impressive though
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2010, 02:15:56 PM
Overreaction from Scoop community starts in...

Pointless post in...oh, you already did that.
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: nyg on January 30, 2010, 02:19:13 PM
No record/rating on Scout or Rivals site.  How far under the radar is he???

Can't believe Buzz would sign another guard, when needs are bigmen.  DJO, Buycks, Blue, Cadougan, Smith and now this kid. Oh well, if true Buzz has one slot left.   

He put up 64 on a team that scored a total of 14 points in the game.  14 in the entire game.

Hope he is not from the same conference that Roseboro played in.  
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: CrazyEcho on January 30, 2010, 02:19:25 PM
Wow .. what a game story .. 105-14 .. they were full court pressing until 37-0 when the (losing) coach said he'd get two technicals and go home if they didn't stop pressing.

What terrible sportsmanship on the winning coach's side.   D-bag.

I know I'm in the minority on this, but even in HS basketball (unless you're playing an academy for the blind, or something like that), if you don't want the other team to run up the score:  stop them.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 30, 2010, 02:25:40 PM
The odds of finding 2 bigs that are able to contribute next year were not very good. I believe Buzz is still targeting one, but to take 2 just for the sake/desperiation of taking 2...doesnt make much sense.

This looks like this is a DJO-esqe signing....at least the way things went down.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: LastWarrior on January 30, 2010, 02:29:24 PM
ESPN Evaluation... http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=101225&season=2010 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=101225&season=2010)

October, 2009: Newbill is a strong and physical combo-guard with a good feel for the game. He isn't an explosive athlete or great long-range shooter, but can play both guard positions, knows how to get to the rim, can handle and pass versus pressure, and makes good decisions with the ball in his hands. Newbill attacks the basket going north to south, attacking close-outs, or immediately off the catch. He is a good passer off the dribble and finishes well at the rim with both hands, using his strength to seal off defenders and finish away from his body. He isn't overwhelmingly quick and so needs to be hidden a little bit defensively but uses his size and strength to his advanta

Scouts Grade: 80
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: jficke13 on January 30, 2010, 02:30:17 PM
I think that's terrible sportsmanship on the losing coach's part. You're tossing my guys a savage beating and am helpless to stop you so I'll just threaten to quit to make you play a less dominant style of ball. Weak.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: MarkMiller on January 30, 2010, 02:30:38 PM
Newbill is a skilled big guard who can really score and find teammates.

Look for Buzz to try to find a forward who can play on the inside and outside, like Hayward, for the last scholarship. Will be tough to find, but he's definitely checking out every corner of the United States trying to find a guy who fits that bill.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: chapman on January 30, 2010, 02:31:02 PM
6'3" - 6'4", plays the 2-3.  The 60-some points were against a grade school team based on that story.  Can't find him on Scout or Rivals, ESPN had him as the #170 shooting guard.  Even from PA, though it's tougher competition than Quakertown it just makes it sound more like another Roseboro situation.  If the Twitter post is true, hopefully due diligence was done before taking in a player at a position we don't need at all when we have a gaping hole with open playing time.  As a completely unknown aside from blogs and Twitter, is this more DJO or more Roseboro?

Is bma in the house to perhaps tell us what we (might) be getting?  
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2010, 02:33:11 PM
It's official!

http://blog.northstarbball.com/2010/01/30/breaking-news-dj-newbill-to-marquette.aspx

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(http://images.quickblogcast.com/8/1/3/2/3/141445-132318/DNewbill.jpg?a=86)

Marquette Head Coach Buzz Williams made it four commitments from four states in his incoming class of 2010 today. DJ Newbill '10, a 6'4 shooting guard from Strawberry Mansion (PA), committed to the Golden Eagles this morning, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Newbill joins a class that was ranked #22 in my Class of 2010 Team Recruiting Rankings (http://blog.northstarbball.com/2010/01/13/class-of-2010-team-recruiting-rankings-january-edition.aspx). Even with the addition of Newbill, the group will stay at #22. Newbill is the fourth member of the class, which already includes 6'3 SG Vander Blue of Memorial (WI), 6'6 SF Jamail Jones of Montverde Academy (FL), and 6'1 PG Reggie Smith of Thornton Township (IL). Blue is ranked #34 in Northstar Basketball's Class of 2010 Terrific 125 (http://blog.northstarbball.com/2010/01/10/northstar-basketballs-class-of-2010-terrific-125-new-years-edition.aspx), and Jones checks in at #88.

Again, in news being first reported by Northstar Basketball, DJ Newbill has verbally committed to Marquette.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on January 30, 2010, 02:37:34 PM
The odds of finding 2 bigs that are able to contribute next year were not very good. I believe Buzz is still targeting one, but to take 2 just for the sake/desperiation of taking 2...doesnt make much sense.

This looks like this is a DJO-esqe signing....at least the way things went down.

Yeah, and it seems to fit with Buzz's philosophy with recruiting.  

Buzz recruits for points, wings, and bigs. In Buzz's classification, he probably views our roster next year like this:

Points: Cadougan, Smith (combo)
Wings: DJO, Buycks, Blue (combo), Jones, Butler
Bigs: Fulce, Otule, Mbao, and Williams

You can argue about Fulce and Williams being wings or bigs, but with how they play (and their lack of lateral quickness), they're both bigs until proven otherwise.  Unless you wanted to redshirt Mbao, adding 2 bigs makes limited sense, but only if both bigs are clearly better than what you have in Mbao.  

Buzz wants guys that can play, and if this guy can play, why not bring him in? There were a lot of similar sentiments that we should have used DJO's spot for another big, and that's worked out pretty well.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2010, 02:37:45 PM
I guess the operative word is DJ. How many DJ's will this program end of with?

Here's a scary thought. Is a guess currently on the team or committed possibly leaving?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Benny B on January 30, 2010, 02:38:53 PM
I take this to mean that Buzz is committed to Mbao and Otule at the 5, because that last scholarship needs to go to a legit 4 (although after seeing Jimmy Butler match up against the UCONN bigs today, it may not be as much of a need as I thought).
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 30, 2010, 02:43:01 PM
Yeah, and it seems to fit with Buzz's philosophy with recruiting.  

Buzz recruits for points, wings, and bigs. In Buzz's classification, he probably views our roster next year like this:

Points: Cadougan, Smith (combo)
Wings: DJO, Buycks, Blue (combo), Jones, Butler
Bigs: Fulce, Otule, Mbao, and Williams

You can argue about Fulce and Williams being wings or bigs, but with how they play (and their lack of lateral quickness), they're both bigs until proven otherwise.  Unless you wanted to redshirt Mbao, adding 2 bigs makes limited sense, but only if both bigs are clearly better than what you have in Mbao.  

Buzz wants guys that can play, and if this guy can play, why not bring him in? There were a lot of similar sentiments that we should have used DJO's spot for another big, and that's worked out pretty well.

It is even more basic than that...Buzz classifies guys as "dribble guys" and "non-dribble guys."

For 2010-11...

Dribble Guys = JB, DB, DJO, JC, VB, JJ, RS, DN
Non Dribble Guys = JF, CO, YM, EW, (Final 2010 Scholly)
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Aughnanure on January 30, 2010, 02:45:25 PM
whoops...someone already posted the ESPN ranking above
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: gumbyandpokey on January 30, 2010, 02:48:10 PM
I think that's terrible sportsmanship on the losing coach's part. You're tossing my guys a savage beating and am helpless to stop you so I'll just threaten to quit to make you play a less dominant style of ball. Weak.

What a joke.

There are some EXTREME mismatches in high school ball.  The coach of the winning team should have played a token zone with no ball pressure.  
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 30, 2010, 02:59:11 PM
What a joke.

There are some EXTREME mismatches in high school ball.  The coach of the winning team should have played a token zone with no ball pressure.  

Cosign.   This was like a HS team beating up a grade school team.    If I've got a kid on the winning team, I bitch at the coach for not teaching some GD sportsmanship to my kid.   There's a time to show some class and mercy.   37-0 is past time to call off the full court press.

Kudos to the other coach for sticking up for his team, who let's remember, are 14-17 year old boys.
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: GGGG on January 30, 2010, 02:59:55 PM
I know I'm in the minority on this, but even in HS basketball (unless you're playing an academy for the blind, or something like that), if you don't want the other team to run up the score:  stop them.


What lesson are you teaching your kids?  That you keep pummeling people when they are down?  
Title: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: ToddRosiakSays on January 30, 2010, 03:00:04 PM
Philly guard commits to MU
               


More good news for the Marquette Golden Eagles:

D.J. Newbill, a 6-foot-4 guard from Strawberry Mansion High School in Philadelphia, has orally committed to play for MU next season.

Newbill, who scored 64 points in a game earlier this month, will join Vander Blue, Jamail Jones and Reggie Smith in the Golden Eagles' 2010-'11 recruiting class once he signs in the spring.
               

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/83161592.html
               
Title: Coach Douche
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 03:00:24 PM
Wow .. what a game story .. 105-14 .. they were full court pressing until 37-0 when the (losing) coach said he'd get two technicals and go home if they didn't stop pressing.

What terrible sportsmanship on the winning coach's side.   D-bag.

There was a story the other day of a coach who's team was up 30 points and he was purposely fouling the other team in order to get more possessions in an attempt to score 100 points.  

If I find it, I'll post it.  What is wrong with these people?


EDIT:  Here it is    http://deadspin.com/5454807/sportsmanship-fail-up-big-team-fouls-to-reach-100

Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: jficke13 on January 30, 2010, 03:03:25 PM
I didn't say it was good sportsmanship from the winning coach. I didn't say that it should be encouraged to run up the score like that. All I said is that threatening to quit is NOT a sportsmanlike way of changing a game outcome.
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: CrazyEcho on January 30, 2010, 03:14:05 PM

What lesson are you teaching your kids?  That you keep pummeling people when they are down?  

Begging for mercy is not going to be an acceptable strategy in life. 

If I were coaching a team, would I "call off the dogs" if we were winning 37-0?  Yes.

If I were coaching a team and was losing 37-0 would I expect the other coach to "call off the dogs?"  No. 
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: gumbyandpokey on January 30, 2010, 03:14:50 PM
Is it really good news?

There is a post somewhere here or on Scout that says a writer for NBE (?) said something along the lines of "hope they realize he isn't a Big East talent". 

What other schools were after him?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: willie warrior on January 30, 2010, 03:14:59 PM
Not getting this. Will we play 4 or 5 guards at a time next year?

We need bigs!
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 03:18:47 PM
Is it really good news?

There is a post somewhere here or on Scout that says a writer for NBE (?) said something along the lines of "hope they realize he isn't a Big East talent". 

What other schools were after him?

Once again another douche bag post by Douchey and Douchey
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2010, 03:19:41 PM
I'm sure we'll figure out more about him in the next few days.  However, Buzz seems to have an eye for guards.  He's given me no reason to believe Newbill won't fit in on MU's team somehow.
Title: Re: New 2010 Commit-DJ Newbill
Post by: GGGG on January 30, 2010, 03:20:41 PM
Begging for mercy is not going to be an acceptable strategy in life. 

If I were coaching a team, would I "call off the dogs" if we were winning 37-0?  Yes.

If I were coaching a team and was losing 37-0 would I expect the other coach to "call off the dogs?"  No. 


Oh I agree with that too.  Bad on both sides.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 30, 2010, 03:22:04 PM

We need bigs!

Not if they suck.

Buzz wants guys that can contribute by BE season next year. Most likely looking for a 4 at this point.

Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 03:25:10 PM
Once again another douche bag post by Douchey and Douchey

It's a legit question he asks.  Buzz is not infallible. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: spiral97 on January 30, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
Guys.. he's a five star.. says so on his shirt.. why would we pass up on that??!!
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 03:27:33 PM
Is it really good news?

There is a post somewhere here or on Scout that says a writer for NBE (?) said something along the lines of "hope they realize he isn't a Big East talent".  

What other schools were after him?

According to this site, here is where he was offered  http://www.recruitrecon.com/index.php?option=com_recruit&task=showplayerprofile&id=238

Rider
Drexel
Nebraska
East Carolina
Marquette
LaSalle
James Madison
Niagra
Florida State

Was being looked at by DePaul, St. Joe's, Temple


ESPN has him as an 80, which isn't that great    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=101225&season=2010

You can see by this list, anyone between an 80 and 90 is generally a mid major type.  Let's hope this is a diamond in the rough

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/prospects?pos=null&state=PA&status=null&toggle=null&season=2010&sortBy=weight


Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 30, 2010, 03:27:53 PM
Interesting signing, but sounds like this guy can really play.  Looks like Buzz might go let Junior and Reggie play point (with help from Blue and Buycks), put Blue and Buycks and Newbill as 2s, and then have DJO at the 3.  DJO and Jimmy have probably earned 30 mins each at the forward spot with EWill and Jones splitting the rest of the time.

We do need size in at all times if Jimmy, Jones, and EWill are playing the forward spot.  Losing Lazar is huge, so this idealistic JUCO that we are picking up needs to produce.  I would always want to see Fulce, Otule, Mbao, and JUCO big in at the 5 and never push Jimmy to the 5.

Newbill's addition is nice.  Another talented scorer.  Develop Otule and we can honestly contend for the Big East title when DJO is a senior and Blue is a soph.  Hopefully some big man will see that.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NCMUFan on January 30, 2010, 03:28:25 PM
We pulled out the win with Acker, Coobey, DJO, Buycks and Butler.  If we can compete with a small lineup, I will settle with that.  Take the right person and get the people that will give you the best chance to win.  It would be great if we were as tall as Georgetown and UCONN.  But heck if we beat them with a small lineup, that is sweet enough for me.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 30, 2010, 03:30:11 PM
We pulled out the win with Acker, Coobey, DJO, Buycks and Butler.  If we can compete with a small lineup, I will settle with that.  Take the right person and get the people that will give you the best chance to win.  It would be great if we were as tall as Georgetown and UCONN.  But heck if we beat them with a small lineup, that is sweet enough for me.

Lazar carried us today though for most of the game.  Having a strong guy out there is absolutely necessary.  Unless a 5 star guard wants to come to MU, a big man is a MUST.  Small lineups can beat some ranked teams on the road, but not many or consistently. 
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2010, 03:32:36 PM
Ah....the trick is not to search for DJ Newbill, but rather Devonte Newbill

With that, I found this form the NBE basketball report blog
http://w3.nbebasketball.com/2009/07/09/reebok-all-american-camp-update-iii/
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- Devonte Newbill is seeing his stock rise this spring and summer. Playing at nearby Strawberry Mansion HS in Philly, Newbill did not have a lot of interest from colleges last winter, but that is changing. Marquette is showing interest in the 6-foot-3 guard in the class of 2010 and so has been DePaul. LaSalle, Drexel, Temple, Niagara and Nebraska are also very interested in following him, too.
Title: Temple fans weigh in...ranked 30th in Philly
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 03:33:38 PM
No idea how valid their opinions are.  Say he isn't overly quick, but plays the game right...high basketball IQ


http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:Rbyo3iYChp4J:temple.rivals.com/showmsg.asp%3FOverride%3D1%26mid%3D129996652%26tid%3D129996652%26sid%3D1018%26fid%3D792%26style%3D2+devonte+Newbill+recruit&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a



Ranked 30th in the Philadelphia area....says he will get mid-major looks

http://www.suburbanonesports.com/content/prizerecruits-top-100-philly-bb-players


Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: gumbyandpokey on January 30, 2010, 03:34:27 PM
According to this site, here is where he was offered  http://www.recruitrecon.com/index.php?option=com_recruit&task=showplayerprofile&id=238

Rider
Drexel
Nebraska
East Carolina
Marquette
LaSalle
James Madison
Niagra
Florida State

Was being looked at by DePaul, St. Joe's, Temple


ESPN has him as an 80, which isn't that great    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=101225&season=2010

You can see by this list, anyone between an 80 and 90 is generally a mid major type.  Let's hope this is a diamond in the rough

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/prospects?pos=null&state=PA&status=null&toggle=null&season=2010&sortBy=weight

Thanks for the info, Chicos.  Looking at that list, he does seem to be a mid major talent.  I just hope Buzz wasn't overly impressed by his scoring ability vs inferior competition.



Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on January 30, 2010, 03:34:40 PM
ive said it a number of times no way we needed 2 bigs with the two open scholies.  Now if we sign another guard I will question buzz but I fully expect a 4 witht he next scholie, preferrably a Juco
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 03:39:35 PM
It's a legit question he asks.  Buzz is not infallible. 

Chicos - Based on your posting history, your basketball IQ isn't very high.  You write well and articulate things well, which leads me to believe your overall IQ is very respectable -  but when it comes to basketball, you aren't well equipped.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: MUCrew on January 30, 2010, 03:40:59 PM
I've always been interested in which other schools were involved in recruiting a player.  The list Chicos put up doesn't necessarily put my mind at ease about the signing (see Roseboro).  That being said, I do trust Buzz and hope that this signing works out.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: GGGG on January 30, 2010, 03:43:50 PM
Chicos - Based on your posting history, your basketball IQ isn't very high.  You write well and articulate things well, which leads me to believe your overall IQ is very respectable -  but when it comes to basketball, you aren't well equipped.


Cmon now....you got all "douchey" when someone had the audacity to question a recruiting decision on a message board.  Are we supposed to just say "YAY!!!   Great addition Buzz!!!" without question?
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 03:45:27 PM
Chicos - Based on your posting history, your basketball IQ isn't very high.  You write well and articulate things well, which leads me to believe your overall IQ is very respectable -  but when it comes to basketball, you aren't well equipped.

Sigh...yeah, you nailed it.    Afterall, I haven't even offered an opinion on this, simply stating what other sites are saying, but you sure nailed it.   ::)
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: chapman on January 30, 2010, 03:47:28 PM
Chicos - Based on your posting history, your basketball IQ isn't very high.  You write well and articulate things well, which leads me to believe your overall IQ is very respectable -  but when it comes to basketball, you aren't well equipped.

Last I checked, Chicos isn't the site admin for any of the numerous sites he's cited as sources (thanks Chicos btw, this guy has as much info out there as farm boys from my high school).  Nor is he calling someone else a douche for suggesting that Buzz isn't an infallable recruiter that has made and is capable of making only single mistake with Roseboro.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 03:49:11 PM

Cmon now....you got all "douchey" when someone had the audacity to question a recruiting decision on a message board.  Are we supposed to just say "YAY!!!   Great addition Buzz!!!" without question?
Sorry Sultan - If you were to look at all of Gumby's posts, it is clear he is either:  A) A Badger fan/troll, B) The most negative MU "fan" that exists.  As for Chico's, he talks about Shirley Temples and Cheescake Factory..and annoyingly continues to defend any and all things Tom Crean - 2 years after he left MU.  Give it a rest already.  
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 30, 2010, 03:49:44 PM
this guy has as much info out there as farm boys from my high school

Like I said, the trick is to search for Devonte Newbill instead of DJ Newbill.  DJ is just his nickname.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 03:54:33 PM
Last I checked, Chicos isn't the site admin for any of the numerous sites he's cited as sources (thanks Chicos btw, this guy has as much info out there as farm boys from my high school).  Nor is he calling someone else a douche for suggesting that Buzz isn't an infallable recruiter that has made and is capable of making only single mistake with Roseboro.

Fair enough - That said I trust Buzz quite a bit.  He's come in and done a GREAT job coaching and recruiting.  Furthermore, at this stage of the signing period for 2010 - it isn't like you are going to get a Top 100 kid, or a quality BIG.  All those players, and most of the Top 150 are signed already.  Comparing this recruit to Roseboro, or citing Roseboro as an example of Buzz's recruiting prowess/talent evaluation are apples and oranges.  This kid plays in Philly, is Black (sorry if that offends some), and is probably one of the better still -available players to sign. 
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 03:54:48 PM
Not much more out there, I've been searching.

ESPN has him 177th Shooting Guard

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/prospects?state=PA&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fprospects%3fstate%3dPA


I found a few snippets of him as a sophomore in high school and club ball, but not a ton of information.  A few mentions of him on the Pennsylvania high school message boards.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: GGGG on January 30, 2010, 03:57:50 PM
Sorry Sultan - If you were to look at all of Gumby's posts, it is clear he is either:  A) A Badger fan/troll, B) The most negative MU "fan" that exists.  As for Chico's, he talks about Shirley Temples and Cheescake Factory..and annoyingly continues to defend any and all things Tom Crean - 2 years after he left MU.  Give it a rest already.  


I don't care who he is.  It's a message board.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 03:58:29 PM
Sorry Sultan - If you were to look at all of Gumby's posts, it is clear he is either:  A) A Badger fan/troll, B) The most negative MU "fan" that exists.  As for Chico's, he talks about Shirley Temples and Cheescake Factory..and annoyingly continues to defend any and all things Tom Crean - 2 years after he left MU.  Give it a rest already.  

I'll defend ANYONE when attacked with falsehoods.  Attack with facts, and there is nothing to defend.  It's pretty simple.  

I think some people would like to know if this is a legitimate scholarship to use.  One of the things Crean did very poorly (there I go defending him again) was using scholarships on "reach" players rather than banking it.  Sometimes it worked, but more often it didn't.  Hopefully this isn't the case.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: CAINMUTINY on January 30, 2010, 03:58:58 PM
I'm going to wait and see but he looks like he could be a nice bench warmer, however with some time in the system and time with Todd Smith maybe he can contribute.  


We didn't expect much out of Jimmy and look how he is playing......while not overly hopeful I have respect for Buzz's ability to scout talent sans Roseboro.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: GGGG on January 30, 2010, 04:00:34 PM
Fair enough - That said I trust Buzz quite a bit.  He's come in and done a GREAT job coaching and recruiting.  Furthermore, at this stage of the signing period for 2010 - it isn't like you are going to get a Top 100 kid, or a quality BIG.  All those players, and most of the Top 150 are signed already.  Comparing this recruit to Roseboro, or citing Roseboro as an example of Buzz's recruiting prowess/talent evaluation are apples and oranges.  This kid plays in Philly, is Black (sorry if that offends some), and is probably one of the better still -available players to sign. 


Oh my...

Look, you can either play or you can't.  Marquette has had plenty of white, small town guys who could play, and plenty of black, urban guys who couldn't.  The fact is that Buzz definitely made a mistake with Roseboro.  Hopefully he won't make more.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: Badgerhater on January 30, 2010, 04:01:25 PM
Maybe he will grow 2 inches in the off season and be 6'6.   Happens a fair amount.  I think Buzz likes his 3 pt offense when its full of shooters and not gunners.

It is very important that Otule have a breakout year next year and Mbao be good for 10 min a game.  I think EWill will get his 12-18 min a game next year too.  Mr. Jones will also get a lot of freshman PT.   Get another project frosh big or a JC big and all those guys will allow Jimmy Butler to have a fine senior season.

Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: marquette99 on January 30, 2010, 04:02:01 PM
Its meant a lot to have a 6-3 guard like buycks who can rebound.  If we are going to keep ending up with 3-guard sets, its nice to have one or two of them be in that 6-3 to 6-5 range.  Buzz isn't infallable, but the guy clearly has an incredible eye for big east tallent, as evidenced by the incredibly fast reload with butler, buycks and djo.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2010, 04:03:39 PM
Not much more out there, I've been searching.

ESPN has him 177th Shooting Guard

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/prospects?state=PA&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fprospects%3fstate%3dPA


I found a few snippets of him as a sophomore in high school and club ball, but not a ton of information.  A few mentions of him on the Pennsylvania high school message boards.

So, he is rated much lower than Bowen?   :-\
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 30, 2010, 04:04:08 PM
Maybe he will grow 2 inches in the off season and be 6'6.   Happens a fair amount.  I think Buzz likes his 3 pt offense when its full of shooters and not gunners.

It is very important that Otule have a breakout year next year and Mbao be good for 10 min a game.  I think EWill will get his 12-18 min a game next year too.  Mr. Jones will also get a lot of freshman PT.   Get another project frosh big or a JC big and all those guys will allow Jimmy Butler to have a fine senior season.



If you are expecting a "breakout" year from Otule, and 10 mpg from Mbao...then you will likely be disappointed.

Frankly, I would be surprised if those two combine for more than 15 mpg next year.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 04:06:08 PM
I'll defend ANYONE when attacked with falsehoods.  Attack with facts, and there is nothing to defend.  It's pretty simple.  

I think some people would like to know if this is a legitimate scholarship to use.  One of the things Crean did very poorly (there I go defending him again) was using scholarships on "reach" players rather than banking it.  Sometimes it worked, but more often it didn't.  Hopefully this isn't the case.

Okay - Why do you defend Tom Crean, who was on the phone with his MU recruits (Williams, Taylor) trying to get them to follow him to Indiana, and break their commitment to MU.  That is just sleazy.  Period.  Not to mention leaving his Big 3, the year before their senior season.  TC was getting paid about as high as any coach in the country, had all the support you could want..and ditches MU.  To be clear, I'm glad he's gone, but his exit was about as classless as you can have.  I believe his biggest gift to MU was Buzz Williams.  
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: Badgerhater on January 30, 2010, 04:12:37 PM
If you are expecting a "breakout" year from Otule, and 10 mpg from Mbao...then you will likely be disappointed.

Frankly, I would be surprised if those two combine for more than 15 mpg next year.

There is a significance difference in meaning between the word IMPORTANT and EXPECTING.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Markusquette on January 30, 2010, 04:13:33 PM
Why don't we just wait until we see these kids on court?  I mean it seemed by popular consensus that Maymon would be our biggest incoming contributor, and we knew little about DJO, so expectations weren't that high.  See how that turned out?

I'm not saying Maymon wouldn't have been a valuable asset (even this year), but it just goes to show us that rankings don't mean everything.  We can pick out the top recruits, but once it gets out of the top 50 range, it's really hard to predict how any one will play.  With that said, I hope Newbill turns out to be the player that Buzz believes he can be.  I don't want to jump the gun on anyone's expected contributions.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 04:17:02 PM

Oh my...

Look, you can either play or you can't.  Marquette has had plenty of white, small town guys who could play, and plenty of black, urban guys who couldn't.  The fact is that Buzz definitely made a mistake with Roseboro.  Hopefully he won't make more.
Good point about Diener, Novak, Pieper, et al -and yes, Rosboro was a mistake.  They happen in recruiting on occasion.  All this said, I'm still putting my money on a taking a "reach" with a Black player (who plays in Philadelphia), considering about 85% of Top 25 men's College Basketball teams are black...and most of the best basketball players come from urban environments...as opposed to a Roseboro "reach" comparison.  You look at Novak, Diener, Pieper - they were all the state player of the year..Roseboro, not so much in PA.  
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: buckchuckler on January 30, 2010, 04:27:48 PM
Keep in mind, with the guards we have, he doesn't have to be a homerun.  As long is he is someone that can log some minutes and be productive he'll be fine.  It would be nice to have a bench filled with McDonald's All Americans, but that's not going to happen.  If he is a guy that could be a mid-major star, he can certainly be a contributing guard off MU's bench.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Clam Crowder on January 30, 2010, 04:33:31 PM
Here's a scary thought. Is a guess currently on the team or committed possibly leaving?

What is meant by that?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 04:39:43 PM
Keep in mind, with the guards we have, he doesn't have to be a homerun.  As long is he is someone that can log some minutes and be productive he'll be fine.  It would be nice to have a bench filled with McDonald's All Americans, but that's not going to happen.  If he is a guy that could be a mid-major star, he can certainly be a contributing guard off MU's bench.

+1 - There seem to be some really naive basketball minds here..who think at this point in the recrutiing season you are going to land a McD's All American or Top 100-150 player.  If not this kid, then who..as far as what is available out there? 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 30, 2010, 04:44:52 PM
Here's a scary thought. Is a guess currently on the team or committed possibly leaving?

What is meant by that?

I thought the same thing ... Could someone be leaving and Buzz is looking to fill a hole?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 04:51:30 PM
I thought the same thing ... Could someone be leaving and Buzz is looking to fill a hole?

Doubt it...but worth a thought. If so, who would be the most likely candidate to leave?  Probably pointless to speculate..but?  Can't see DJO or Buycks, doubt Reggie Smith or Jamial Jones...Blue is signed and all comments from him and his Mom (after the Maymon transfer) didn't give any evidence that his commitment could be wavering.  So...probably just a little paranoia, and not likely anyone is leaving.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: swimmer on January 30, 2010, 04:54:58 PM
I know it didn't work out, but how nice would it be to have Maymon coming back next year.  He could have been the PF type we're currently missing for next year.  It's a shame he had those delusional voices in his ear, because it was all there for him to step in for Lazar.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 30, 2010, 04:55:36 PM
Okay - Why do you defend Tom Crean, who was on the phone with his MU recruits (Williams, Taylor) trying to get them to follow him to Indiana, and break their commitment to MU.  That is just sleazy.  Period.  Not to mention leaving his Big 3, the year before their senior season.  TC was getting paid about as high as any coach in the country, had all the support you could want..and ditches MU.  To be clear, I'm glad he's gone, but his exit was about as classless as you can have.  I believe his biggest gift to MU was Buzz Williams.  

Tom Crean has nothing to do with this new recruit, nor does Chico's "defense" of TC.

The new kid was being recruited by mid-majors, so obviously we all are hoping Buzz found a diamond in the rough.

That's all.

Oh, also, you should take this guy's advice. He sounds pretty smart.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=16178.msg156963#msg156963

Quote
Quote from: Ners on November 21, 2009
While I've never had any personal dealings with Tom Crean, and I've read here some people who have thought he evloved into an ass - I do think it is time for people to get off the Tom Crean Hate Wagon.  Stating the obvious, but the Tom Crean era really turned the image and perception of Marquette Basketball around.  The Al MacGuire center became a reality - a much needed facility/tool needed for training and recruiting.  Crean brought Buzz Williams on staff, and left behind a great situation for Buzz.  Buzz is taking the torch and running with it, and all signs indicate he could take the program to a level not seen since Al.  I just wish more MU fans would show some gratitude to Tom Crean.  Some posters here come off as bitter, even whiney girl types.  Who cares is Tom Crean used a tanning bed or not??  Really people.  Stop dissecting the guy and be grateful for what he did for our program.  Time to get over it.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: kmwtrucks on January 30, 2010, 04:57:47 PM
Figuring half the time we are running 3 guards, having 6 on the Roster is fine.  I'm just Happy we are getting bigger at the guard spot.  Bringing in 2 6-4 guards and losing Acker and Cubes.  
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: mr.MUskie on January 30, 2010, 05:00:36 PM
Anybody know how many of those 64 points were 3-pointers?  Maybe this kid is a bomber who can come off the bench and light it up when you're behind.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: cheebs09 on January 30, 2010, 05:02:49 PM
I read on the other board that Buzz wanted a high scoring guard and a 4 that could contribute right away with the last two scholarships. I think he said we lose some scoring with Cubilian and Acker graduating. So I don't think that it is a sign someone is leaving and I expect a big to be the the next recruit.

The thing I like about him is he is 6' 3". If we can get bigger guards to help out rebounding, I think it will help negate the lack of a big inside. I think Mcneal, James, and Matthews were underrated in their ability to rebound and get some loose balls that we haven't gotten this year due to Acker and Cubilian being shorter.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: GGGG on January 30, 2010, 05:07:19 PM
Here's a scary thought. Is a guess currently on the team or committed possibly leaving?

What is meant by that?


Guys...we have six guards  (Buycks, DJO, Junior, Blue, Smith and Newbill)

Two centers (Otule, Mbao)

Four wings (Butler, Fulce, Jones, Williams)

This is not an unbalanced roster at this point.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 05:17:28 PM
Tom Crean has nothing to do with this new recruit, nor does Chico's "defense" of TC.

The new kid was being recruited by mid-majors, so obviously we all are hoping Buzz found a diamond in the rough.

That's all.

Oh, also, you should take this guy's advice. He sounds pretty smart.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=16178.msg156963#msg156963

Pretty funny - I posted that before I learned of TC trying to call Williams and Taylory to get them to break their MU commitment and follow him to IU.  Anyway, I stand by some of what I posted previously..but after reading a lot about TC from some of you veteran posters here - it changed my perception.  This whole thread evolved after Gumby came on here and questioned the merit of this signing..and Chicos as usual, is always standing by to generate any kind of negativity he can regarding Buzz (though he will make a token complimentary statment about Buzz so as to not come off as a complete Buzz hater and tom Crean apologist).  As for you, and this signing - who do you think buzz should have offered at this point?  what players aren't Diamond in the rough, or mid-major talents that remain unsigned?  Seems like we probably got one of the best available players out there in this kid.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 05:18:09 PM
Okay - Why do you defend Tom Crean, who was on the phone with his MU recruits (Williams, Taylor) trying to get them to follow him to Indiana, and break their commitment to MU.  That is just sleazy.  Period.  Not to mention leaving his Big 3, the year before their senior season.  TC was getting paid about as high as any coach in the country, had all the support you could want..and ditches MU.  To be clear, I'm glad he's gone, but his exit was about as classless as you can have.  I believe his biggest gift to MU was Buzz Williams.  

He left because he was offered one of the jobs at the 5 premier basketball schools in the country. That comes along probably once or twice in a lifetime, that's why he left.

How he did it, wasn't cool.  No one has denied that.  Why, do YOU KEEP BRINGING HIM UP 2 years later.  Isn't that just as valid a question? 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 05:21:10 PM
+1 - There seem to be some really naive basketball minds here..who think at this point in the recrutiing season you are going to land a McD's All American or Top 100-150 player.  If not this kid, then who..as far as what is available out there?  

Good gravy, no one here is saying this kid can't contribute or can't be a star.  All anyone is talking about is the ratings.  No one is ripping Buzz, no one is saying this is a terrible signing.  

You have gone where no one is going, why?   I think everyone would agree, we have to wait until he plays to see where he is.

Ewill was a top 100 kid and is struggling his freshman year.  This kid isn't top 100 and he might light the world on fire.  It's a message board, it's a recruit signing.  It's speculative, that's all it is.  To crap on people and say they are naive is a joke, it really is.  Just relax and come off the saddle will you.

And how in the hell am I offering any negativity?  I'm simply posting what other websites have posted.  I'm passing on information....that's all.  Good grief you are a sensitive one.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: The Lens on January 30, 2010, 05:37:34 PM
I bet Buzz's wife says...#170? A Shooting Guard?  Really?

This one is a head scratcher.  I figured we'd get a wing but it would be another J Jones type 6'6" ish.  Maybe this kid can just absolutely stroke it.  The one thing we have not had since the 2006 is depth.  We're just to guys playing 35 min.  So I think we're all conditioned to thinking we don't need another SG but Buzz obviously wants more at all spots not just bigs.

As Hayward said, if the final scholarship is a guard, then I'll really worry. 

But to question this is normal. 

If you don't question this you're just...buying everything...the coach says...hook line and sinker...no one wins when that happens.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 30, 2010, 05:38:18 PM
Maybe DJ Newbill has a 6'8" friend on his high school or AAU team who is a year or two younger?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 05:45:11 PM
Good gravy, no one here is saying this kid can't contribute or can't be a star.  All anyone is talking about is the ratings.  No one is ripping Buzz, no one is saying this is a terrible signing.  

You have gone where no one is going, why?   I think everyone would agree, we have to wait until he plays to see where he is.

Ewill was a top 100 kid and is struggling his freshman year.  This kid isn't top 100 and he might light the world on fire.  It's a message board, it's a recruit signing.  It's speculative, that's all it is.  To crap on people and say they are naive is a joke, it really is.  Just relax and come off the saddle will you.

And how in the hell am I offering any negativity?  I'm simply posting what other websites have posted.  I'm passing on information....that's all.  Good grief you are a sensitive one.
  For about the 5th time..the original poster -Gumbey - came on here with negativity about this signing.  Like you say, we have to wait until he plays to see where he is.  And you are right Chicos, I am a sensitive one when it comes to people questioning Buzz Williams and the decisions he makes.  Buzz is the best thing that has happened to MU basketball since D-Wade, and prior to that Al McGuire.  I, along with all other Buzz-sexuals, will be vindicated in the next 4 years.  Hopefully MU inks him to a long-term deal.  I'll be glad to NEVER mention Tom Crean again, so long as you agree to the same deal.  Can you do that?  No more TC talk regardless of the topic.  I have no doubtt this will be much more difficult for you - but since you asked about why we have to keep bringing him up 2 years later..let's just stop...you and me both.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2010, 05:47:01 PM
So is Wayne Blackshear's commitment to UL soft? If so, are we now out of it?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: willie warrior on January 30, 2010, 05:58:51 PM

Guys...we have six guards  (Buycks, DJO, Junior, Blue, Smith and Newbill)

Two centers (Otule, Mbao)

Four wings (Butler, Fulce, Jones, Williams)

This is not an unbalanced roster at this point.
Ttwo centers--neither which is currently playing--and both who are huge projects
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 05:59:03 PM
I bet Buzz's wife says...#170? A Shooting Guard?  Really?

This one is a head scratcher.  I figured we'd get a wing but it would be another J Jones type 6'6" ish.  Maybe this kid can just absolutely stroke it.  The one thing we have not had since the 2006 is depth.  We're just to guys playing 35 min.  So I think we're all conditioned to thinking we don't need another SG but Buzz obviously wants more at all spots not just bigs.

As Hayward said, if the final scholarship is a guard, then I'll really worry. 

But to question this is normal. 

If you don't question this you're just...buying everything...the coach says...hook line and sinker...no one wins when that happens.

From what I can tell, he's a scorer but not a shooter, if you know what I mean.  Says he struggles from deep, but knows how to score.  Could be like a DJ or McNeal type, not great shooters but find ways to put the ball in the basket.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2010, 06:01:12 PM
Doc Rivers was a scorer, rather than a shooter also. If he turns out 1/2 as well, we're all partying.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 06:01:31 PM
  For about the 5th time..the original poster -Gumbey - came on here with negativity about this signing.  Like you say, we have to wait until he plays to see where he is.  And you are right Chicos, I am a sensitive one when it comes to people questioning Buzz Williams and the decisions he makes.  Buzz is the best thing that has happened to MU basketball since D-Wade, and prior to that Al McGuire.  I, along with all other Buzz-sexuals, will be vindicated in the next 4 years.  Hopefully MU inks him to a long-term deal.  I'll be glad to NEVER mention Tom Crean again, so long as you agree to the same deal.  Can you do that?  No more TC talk regardless of the topic.  I have no doubtt this will be much more difficult for you - but since you asked about why we have to keep bringing him up 2 years later..let's just stop...you and me both.

I almost never bring him up unless someone levels some absurdity first.  I hope you're right about Buzz.  All I've asked is that he keep going what TC started.  If he can do that, I'll be very happy camper.

Graduate kids at nearly 100%
Compete in the upper half of the Big East
Go to the NCAAs 3 of 4 years
Stay within the NCAA rules
Keep the kids out of trouble
Represent MU well

If he can do that, I'll be tickled.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 30, 2010, 06:08:24 PM
I almost never bring him up unless someone levels some absurdity first.  I hope you're right about Buzz.  All I've asked is that he keep going what TC started.  If he can do that, I'll be very happy camper.

Graduate kids at nearly 100%
Compete in the upper half of the Big East
Go to the NCAAs 3 of 4 years
Stay within the NCAA rules
Keep the kids out of trouble
Represent MU well

If he can do that, I'll be tickled.
  Fair enough.  Glad we have a deal.  No more TC..but lets add regardless of the absurdity of the mention..after all it has been 2 years.  Time to let go.  He needs no more defending.  He did some good things while here...but Buzz will definitely acheive the list you mention below.  doing a pretty great job in this rebuiliding year, and stacking back to back Top 20 recruiting classes.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: nyg on January 30, 2010, 06:10:22 PM
Ttwo centers--neither which is currently playing--and both who are huge projects

+100
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: chapman on January 30, 2010, 06:21:54 PM
So is Wayne Blackshear's commitment to UL soft? If so, are we now out of it?

Maybe, and heavens no.  One, we won't konw if this guy is any good by signing day next fall.  Two, Blackshear wouldn't be afraid of a guy ranked #170 at his position when he is top 20 overall.  Three, Blackshear has 1-2 inches and 40 pounds on this guy (who at 6'3"-6'4" weighs five more pounds than 5'8" Acker or five less than 6' Cubillan).

Ttwo centers--neither which is currently playing--and both who are huge projects

This is what I worry about most.  We can bring in a true 4/5, but based what we can expect from Otule/Mbao if two of our wings/centers get hurt we're stuck playing with four guards 6'3" or less or basically playing 30+ minutes with a 6'6" wing at center just like this year, regardless of how much size the other team has.  If two of our guards get hurt, we still have some depth, plus Butler/Jones should be more than capable of playing the three.  As far as the "if"s, two bigs are probably more likely to go down than two guards.  From a depth perspective we were already set even running three guards and planning on Butler/Jones/Fulce/Williams to play 4 and 5 exclusively.  It looks good on paper if we just bring in one more 4/5 type player, but we don't look undersized on paper this year with healthy 6'10" and 7'2" players and a 6'1" point guard penciled in as the starter either.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Big Daddy Z on January 30, 2010, 06:27:43 PM
Ballers from Philly are tough kids...he can help with depth and toughness.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: kmwtrucks on January 30, 2010, 06:29:11 PM
The more recent articles list him at 6-4 195.  The video seems to to confirm that.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: chapman on January 30, 2010, 06:38:31 PM
The more recent articles list him at 6-4 195.  The video seems to to confirm that.

Thanks for the info.  Let's hope that's the case.  Nice size in that case.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: mviale on January 30, 2010, 06:39:54 PM
The more recent articles list him at 6-4 195.  The video seems to to confirm that.
  Agreed, this kid is from a tough bball town. Wondering why Nova/temple didnt grab him.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: avid1010 on January 30, 2010, 06:52:11 PM
Ttwo centers--neither which is currently playing--and both who are huge projects

Agreed.  We should sign a center that is not a huge project.  I hear there are plenty of them left!
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 30, 2010, 06:53:42 PM
Ballers from Philly are tough kids...

I learned that from the intro theme to Fresh Prince of Bel-Aire
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2010, 07:28:10 PM
So, hypothetically, were Maymon still on the roster, does this cat get offered?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Clam Crowder on January 30, 2010, 07:30:33 PM
no, because the scholarship would be much more useful on a solid big
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 30, 2010, 07:32:31 PM
So we collected a few Williams...now some DJs...

I predict the next recruit will be a Junior. ;)
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: wildbill sb on January 30, 2010, 08:17:31 PM
I almost never bring him up unless someone levels some absurdity first.  I hope you're right about Buzz.  All I've asked is that he keep going what TC started.  If he can do that, I'll be very happy camper.

Graduate kids at nearly 100%
Compete in the upper half of the Big East
Go to the NCAAs 3 of 4 years
Stay within the NCAA rules
Keep the kids out of trouble
Represent MU well

If he can do that, I'll be tickled.

I couldn't agree more,  CBB.  Thank you. 

As for the rest of this folderol:  Jesu Christe, mon freres, it's hard to tell the crap from Shinola in all these comments.  In spite of all the "expert" opinions offered on these pages, Buzz's boys just beat Connecticut for pity's sake.  Let me repeat:  WE JUST BEAT UCON! This poor little undersized bunch of ragamuffins from the wilds of Wisconsin just beat the mighty Huskies.  Rejoice and be happy!

p.s. You all are still fun to read.......mostly.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 30, 2010, 08:17:36 PM
 Agreed, this kid is from a tough bball town. Wondering why Nova/temple didnt grab him.


Nova didn't recruit him.  Temple did, but no offer....if you are to believe the recruiting services.  Same for St. Joe's, another Philly school.  LaSalle, another Philly school, did offer.


EDIT:  Rosiak also saying Nova didn't recruit him but West Virginia did offer.  That's good to hear.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2010, 08:26:52 PM
I went and figured. The dude's a late bloomer with some upside.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Pakuni on January 30, 2010, 08:34:42 PM
Nova didn't recruit him.  Temple did, but no offer....if you are to believe the recruiting services.  Same for St. Joe's, another Philly school.  LaSalle, another Philly school, did offer.



If you believe the Temple forum, they say Dunphy wanted him, but didn't have a scholie open at the moment to offer.
For whatever that's worth.

Here's what a 'Nova fan had to say about him:

He's an athletic, 6'4" scoring guard. I haven't seen him this year, but might get a look later in the year. His team is currently undefeated and they play at the 2A level, which is the second smallest. Strawberry Mansion has produced some good players over the years including; Maureece Rice (GW), Devon White (LaSalle), Flip Murray (NBA), Omar Thomas (UTEP), and Kevin Forney (Duquesne).

He scored 64 points in a game this year. However, they won that game 105-24 and he was still playing in the 4th quarter. I believe he scored 17 in that qt, too. Anyhow, the coach was suspended afterwards for poor sportsmanship.

He might end up being a sleeper at the BE level. Kids from that area are usually pretty tough.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 30, 2010, 08:42:05 PM
Rosiak quotes Newbill as having an offer from West Virginia on the table. If Huggins wanted him, he's tough.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 30, 2010, 08:55:44 PM
Another way to look at Newbill: a blooming kid who can score, but even with the talent coming in, will be staying for all four years.

I hope. ;)
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Rockmic87 on January 30, 2010, 10:28:09 PM
Guys.. he's a five star.. says so on his shirt.. why would we pass up on that??!!

I hope that was a joke, otherwise, you need to re-evaluate your life. Five star Bball camp is open to anyone who pays and signs up for the camp!
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: WxWarrior on January 30, 2010, 10:41:37 PM
Initially, he's a Blue back-up.  He also seems like a late bloomer that could have a positive upside.  If so, it's all gravy--which sometimes makes the meal.

Man I'm hungry :)
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: chapman on January 30, 2010, 10:42:39 PM
I hope that was a joke, otherwise, you need to re-evaluate your life. Five star Bball camp is open to anyone who pays and signs up for the camp!

 I thought Rivals sent free swag to everyone who they gave a five star ranking.  Perhaps Newbill bought someone else's on eBay.

The kid's got to be excited.  Being on MU's campus will feel like a five star resort compared to north Philly.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 31, 2010, 12:42:33 AM
Offer this kid.  Don't offer this kid.  Only one answer...


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Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: bma725 on January 31, 2010, 12:49:26 AM
Initially, he's a Blue back-up. 

Initially, he's a Blue, Buycks, Cadougan, DJO and Smith back up.

Essentially we just got a commitment from our 6th guard for next year at a time when guard was the position with the absolute least amount of need.  A Center? Yes.  A Power Forward?  Definitely. A combo forward? Justifiable.  A guard?  No, not at all.  If Buzz doesn't hit a home run with his last signing or miraculously turn Otule and Mbao into a successful tandem, we're going to be stuck at the same place we've been the last 5 years. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Doctor V on January 31, 2010, 01:09:54 AM
Initially, he's a Blue, Buycks, Cadougan, DJO and Smith back up.

Essentially we just got a commitment from our 6th guard for next year at a time when guard was the position with the absolute least amount of need.  A Center? Yes.  A Power Forward?  Definitely. A combo forward? Justifiable.  A guard?  No, not at all.  If Buzz doesn't hit a home run with his last signing or miraculously turn Otule and Mbao into a successful tandem, we're going to be stuck at the same place we've been the last 5 years. 

Some strong stuff there. There are some indications that the guy was getting many looks as of late, but I would have to agree that it is quite the risky move by Buzz. Truly hope it pans out and he ends up being a steal. I trust Buzz in his guard recruiting

That said two things seem quite certain:
1- MU will continue to be thin with big men and cannot afford an injury next season
2- MU will play with 3 guard sets for some time. Some of those 6-5/6-6 type guys better get used to bruising down low for Marquette (butler, williams, jones)

PS- I dont necessarily have a problem with #2, but some of those guys that will be asked to bruise down low with guys 3-4 inches taller and 30-40lbs thicker might
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: nycwarrior on January 31, 2010, 04:52:28 AM
Let's assume there are no top 200 big men anywhere in the HS ranks who have any hope of qualifying academically. If there were, we'd know about em.

Where are the Midwestern corn-fed, thick of thigh and broad of butt 6-9 kids from the Sconnie, Minnesota and Illinois farms who used to make up too much of MU's roster in the bad old (Mike Deane) days?

Hope about a kid from Texas who's big and tough?

How bout the 6-8 guys playing JUCO right now?

Can't we find a strong-bodied tough kid and teach him to play behind big guys in the post?

Right now my Jesuit education is telling me that expecting something different from the same frontcourt personnel seems to be illogical. I hope Otule and Mbao develop. However, until we see some signs that Otule's feet can support his 6-10 frame or that Mbao can develop enough strength to hold position in the post, we must assume we're dangerously thin.

Even one injury leaves us in a situation where we have to play a perfect game to beat Syracuse-sized teams.

We gotta sign a big.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: willie warrior on January 31, 2010, 06:45:13 AM
And by the way, the two guys we have projected for next year at Center are projects and also injury prone.

And by the way, our recent past with bigs has not been too good: McMorrow, Clark, Roseboro, etc.

If any of these circumstances strike us again, we are in the shice chute.

We need quality bigs!!!!!
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 31, 2010, 07:08:50 AM
Pretty funny - I posted that before I learned of TC trying to call Williams and Taylory to get them to break their MU commitment and follow him to IU.  Anyway, I stand by some of what I posted previously..but after reading a lot about TC from some of you veteran posters here - it changed my perception.  This whole thread evolved after Gumby came on here and questioned the merit of this signing..and Chicos as usual, is always standing by to generate any kind of negativity he can regarding Buzz (though he will make a token complimentary statment about Buzz so as to not come off as a complete Buzz hater and tom Crean apologist).  As for you, and this signing - who do you think buzz should have offered at this point?  what players aren't Diamond in the rough, or mid-major talents that remain unsigned?  Seems like we probably got one of the best available players out there in this kid.

I have no idea who Buzz should have signed. This kid might turn out to be great. I'm not trying to be a "hater", just saying that signing a 6' 3" "diamond in the rough" is a curious move, but I have to trust Buzz knows what he is doing (at least I hope so).

As far as TC is concerned, I wouldn't let your opinions be swayed by the conjuncture on this board. A lot of opinions end up being posted as "factual accounts", when the truth is we just don't know what happened.

Oh, and as far as "taking recruits with him", I'm pretty sure Buzz did something similar with Fulce, so we need to be careful not to throw rocks. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: warriorfred on January 31, 2010, 08:20:10 AM
It's probably been mentioned earlier, but if Vander Blue is as good as everyone hopes, then he will not be playing all 4 years at Marquette.  In that case, this commitment makes sense; sign a player that will develop into a solid contributor over 4 years.

Also, believe we desperately need a big with the last scholarship.  Heck, at this point point I am wondering if Chris Grimm or "Hot Rod" Gross has a 6 '8 cousin?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ______ on January 31, 2010, 08:29:22 AM
this is an aweful signing unless we are moving to an all guard conference
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: The Pickle on January 31, 2010, 09:10:10 AM
Let's assume there are no top 200 big men anywhere in the HS ranks who have any hope of qualifying academically. If there were, we'd know about em.

Where are the Midwestern corn-fed, thick of thigh and broad of butt 6-9 kids from the Sconnie, Minnesota and Illinois farms who used to make up too much of MU's roster in the bad old (Mike Deane) days?

Hope about a kid from Texas who's big and tough?

How bout the 6-8 guys playing JUCO right now?

Can't we find a strong-bodied tough kid and teach him to play behind big guys in the post?

Right now my Jesuit education is telling me that expecting something different from the same frontcourt personnel seems to be illogical. I hope Otule and Mbao develop. However, until we see some signs that Otule's feet can support his 6-10 frame or that Mbao can develop enough strength to hold position in the post, we must assume we're dangerously thin.

Even one injury leaves us in a situation where we have to play a perfect game to beat Syracuse-sized teams.

We gotta sign a big.

Those midwest guys you are talking about, they play football.  It's beating a dead horse, but would I like to say I agree with everyone on this board who has said something with regards to there not being that many talented big men and that at this point, it is difficult if not impossible to find a top 100-150 kid.  Rankings don't mean a lot until a kid proves something on the college court.  DJ could end up being one of best players we have, who knows?  Also, this thread gives me the opportunity to give a shout out to a former Marquette big man and the reason for my screen name.  http://www.nba.com/media/dleague/greg_clausen.pdf
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: willie warrior on January 31, 2010, 09:39:36 AM
Let's assume there are no top 200 big men anywhere in the HS ranks who have any hope of qualifying academically. If there were, we'd know about em.


We gotta sign a big.

Disagree that there are no top 200 bigs available right now. The following bigs from ESPN top 200 all ranked at 90 or better are listed as available:
Jeremy Tyler 6'9" San Diego
CJ Leslie 6'9" NC
Monterale Clark 6'10" Tx. There is an oldie but goodie--wonder if he will commit to Jail
Ricardo Ratliffe 6'8" Fla
John Graham 6'8'Md.
jaleel Roberts 6'10" NC
Plus 7 others listed, so there are about 13 top 200 big m3n out there. Why do we keep making excuses that we cannot get the few that are left.
John Graham 6'8" Md.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Boone on January 31, 2010, 09:44:05 AM
A poster or two on the other board cited Jae Crowder, 6'6" 215 lb. from Howard College (TX), as a recruit Buzz is pursuing. Lets hope that Crowder's not the last piece to the scholarship puzzle.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 31, 2010, 10:41:36 AM
Initially, he's a Blue, Buycks, Cadougan, DJO and Smith back up.

Essentially we just got a commitment from our 6th guard for next year at a time when guard was the position with the absolute least amount of need.  A Center? Yes.  A Power Forward?  Definitely. A combo forward? Justifiable.  A guard?  No, not at all.  If Buzz doesn't hit a home run with his last signing or miraculously turn Otule and Mbao into a successful tandem, we're going to be stuck at the same place we've been the last 5 years. 

Careful, Ners and Hayward will call you a Buzz hater any second now.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 31, 2010, 11:11:10 AM
Disagree that there are no top 200 bigs available right now. The following bigs from ESPN top 200 all ranked at 90 or better are listed as available:
Jeremy Tyler 6'9" San Diego
CJ Leslie 6'9" NC
Monterale Clark 6'10" Tx. There is an oldie but goodie--wonder if he will commit to Jail
Ricardo Ratliffe 6'8" Fla
John Graham 6'8'Md.
jaleel Roberts 6'10" NC
Plus 7 others listed, so there are about 13 top 200 big m3n out there. Why do we keep making excuses that we cannot get the few that are left.
John Graham 6'8" Md.

Well Jeremy Tyler skipped his SR year of HS and is playing in Israel right now. Probably should do a little research on these guys before you just assume Buzz can go out and scoop them up.

Again...if the available big men suck, so you really want them?  We have 2 projects at the C spot now, do you want to add a 3rd?

I believe Buzz is looking to add a PF, someone that can fill the void that Lazar's graduation will leave. He wants  someone that can contribute come Big East play next year...I trust that he is doing his due diligence to find that player.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 31, 2010, 11:14:56 AM
Here's the Strawberry Mansion team:

(http://www.tedsilary.com/BB09publicCmansion.JPG)
STRAWBERRY MANSION
Front, L to R -- Darren Lawrence, Cedric Powell, Devonte Newbill, Rasheed Harris, Marcus Grimes.
Second, L to R -- Lawrence Elliott, Khyree Wooten, Tarique Wilson, Eric Jefferson, Bilal Kelley.
Third, L to R -- manager Kayon Miller and Greg Cooper, Kiari Saulbury, Marcus "Worm" Johnson.
Back, L to R -- assistant Stan Laws, video man Michael Hampton, James Johnson, coach Gerald Hendricks.

Link to the public league teams' photos: http://www.tedsilary.com/BBpublicCteampics09.htm
I think we should recruit that kid, Shaquille Duncan.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: mr.MUskie on January 31, 2010, 11:21:38 AM
Here's the Strawberry Mansion team:



We need the big guy in back with the PEPPE shirt.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Blackhat on January 31, 2010, 11:36:48 AM
you realize all the other players are sitting down?
 ;)
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Boone on January 31, 2010, 11:46:58 AM
There's no law that says we have to fill all 13 scholarships. I'd rather save one than use it on a guard on a roster glutted w/guards.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: chapman on January 31, 2010, 11:57:16 AM
There's no law that says we have to fill all 13 scholarships. I'd rather save one than use it on a guard on a roster glutted w/guards.

That's assuming nobody leaves and we would have still only have one open scholarship for next year come November.  Plus we'll have another 3+ open scholarships for 2011.  I'm hoping we avoid banking scholarships for awhile, just based on the lack of bodies after transfers and injuries over the past two seasons.  If one suddenly becomes available due to a departure in August or in November there's not much you can do, but it's a failure to be deciding to bank anything before the summer.  We do not want to be in the position of not even being able to practice with ten available bodies if there is a scholarship open.  If we have 13 players and two are MAC-level it's better than having 11 players, especially if you're already trying to fill three or four roster spots each year.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: bma725 on January 31, 2010, 12:08:04 PM
Disagree that there are no top 200 bigs available right now. The following bigs from ESPN top 200 all ranked at 90 or better are listed as available:
Jeremy Tyler 6'9" San Diego
CJ Leslie 6'9" NC
Monterale Clark 6'10" Tx. There is an oldie but goodie--wonder if he will commit to Jail
Ricardo Ratliffe 6'8" Fla
John Graham 6'8'Md.
jaleel Roberts 6'10" NC
Plus 7 others listed, so there are about 13 top 200 big m3n out there. Why do we keep making excuses that we cannot get the few that are left.
John Graham 6'8" Md.

Tyler is playing pro ball in Israel.  Roberts is in the class of 2011, not 2010. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: tower912 on January 31, 2010, 12:20:59 PM
Finally, cold, hard reason arrives.    BMA, good get or not so good?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 31, 2010, 12:23:35 PM
Initially, he's a Blue, Buycks, Cadougan, DJO and Smith back up.

Essentially we just got a commitment from our 6th guard for next year at a time when guard was the position with the absolute least amount of need.  A Center? Yes.  A Power Forward?  Definitely. A combo forward? Justifiable.  A guard?  No, not at all.  If Buzz doesn't hit a home run with his last signing or miraculously turn Otule and Mbao into a successful tandem, we're going to be stuck at the same place we've been the last 5 years. 
Though I generally agree with BMA and he has a lot of clout here - I'm going to disagree with this analysis for 3 reasons:  1) To say we will be stuck in the same place we've been for the next 5 years implies that we have NO chance of signing a 1 or 2 Quality Bigs in the 2011 class (I believe we have 2 schollies available that year - Fulce and Buycks departures).  2) Buzz has said he will never pass up the opportunity to sign a kid, that he feels is a player - so he must like a lot about Newbill's game.  3) Some have speculated Vander Blue could be good enough to leave the program after his 2nd or 3rd year - so to get more depth at guard now (thought counterintuitive) with a player that Buzz feels is a player..may very well be a nice insurance policy.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Boone on January 31, 2010, 12:33:41 PM
Currently, we only have scholarship to give in DJO's class, which makes it very  likely Buzz will use our last scholarship this year on a JUCO. Just hope it's someone bigger than Crowder.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NotAnAlum on January 31, 2010, 12:52:35 PM
I'm sure DJ is a good kid and his stock may be rising BUT I simply can't figure out this signing.  We have DJO for 2 more years, Vander for 4, Junior for 3.  Does anyone expect this kid to be better than these 3.  He's not a defensive specialist, he's not a deadly 3 point zone breaker.  That means his ceiling is around 8 minutes for the next 3 years.  Meanwhile we have Jimmy and Fulce for only one more year.  Two centers with major question marks and E Will.  Thats right, unless we catch a break at center we will be playing E-Will there, out of postion surrounded by 4 guards.  To the poster who asked earlier should we take a mid major Low Post player instead if that is all we can find the answer is YES.   I'd take a young Dwight Burke right now if I had to.  Atleast 2 years from now we might have a kid that could defend the post.  With DJO, Vander and Junior on the court that is all you need to do, defend the post and take up space down low.  And since you are going to need to gamble on these low post recruits we need to take 2 because with our luck one of the will wash out or transfer or break one of his feet.  Sorry to be negative but this all about planning for the future when you have a chance to be really good.  Buzz I just don't get it.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: tower912 on January 31, 2010, 12:54:02 PM
Ners, Fulce, Buycks, and oh, yeah, that Butler guy will be seniors next year.   I missed BMA's earlier post.   Doh!
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 31, 2010, 01:05:50 PM
Ners, Fulce, Buycks, and oh, yeah, that Butler guy will be seniors next year.   I missed BMA's earlier post.   Doh!
And Doh to me for failing to mention that Butler guy as being a senior next year!  (Perhaps I don't want to acknowledge that reality that JB will be leaving next year!).  So, that means we will have 3 scholarships open for 2011 - I have to think Buzz will land at least 2 quality bigs in the 2011 class.  He can illustrate to recruits that - "Hey, we have an extermely talented set of guards, depth at that position..I've proven I can win even with and undersized and thin roster with only 8 scholarship players...we add you (Mr. Big Guy) to the mix, and it is very, very likely you are going to be playing with a team that has a legitimate chance to get to the Final Four."

All this said, Buzz MUST get a 4 or 5 with this last scholarship player.  If that doesn't happen, I will simmer my Buzz man-crush.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 31, 2010, 01:15:59 PM
If you want skinny legs, the dude next to DJ would be fine. I somewhat intriqued with the cat named, "Worm." Don't know if he's a playa or not.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 31, 2010, 01:24:58 PM
"Hey, we have an extermely talented set of guards, depth at that position..I've proven I can win even with and undersized and thin roster with only 8 scholarship players...we add you (Mr. Big Guy) to the mix, and it is very, very likely you are going to be playing with a team that has a legitimate chance to get to the Final Four."


Haven't Buzz and Crean been trying this sine 2005?  Hopefully Buzz can be the one to finally seal the deal.  A JUCO big for 2010 and two talented freshman bigs for 2011 would be perfect.  I think you obviously replace Fulce with a big man, but also probably can replace Buycks with a big man as well to balance the team.  Smith, Cadougan, and Blue can all play point so we are fine there.  I'd like to see Jimmy replaced in 2011 by a player of his size to go along with EWill and Jones. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Litehouse on January 31, 2010, 02:00:43 PM
We desperately need a big PF-type banger that can come in and play immediately next year, and now we better get one with the last scholarship.  I don't know anything about Newbill and hope he turns out to be a great player for us, but it looks like he'll be our 6th G next year and I don't think he fills a need.  If we were going to use this scholarship on someone that won't get much PT next year, I'd rather take a chance on a big project, possibly someone like Otule.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 31, 2010, 02:01:21 PM

Haven't Buzz and Crean been trying this sine 2005? 
Good point..though I do think Buzz will seal the deal with this last scholarship for 2010, and then getting 1-2 bigs in 2011 who may be immediate contributors.  He was so close on Tarik Black.  And of course if Monterale Clark hadn't gotten into trouble - he was a fairly highly regarded "big," though not a banger.  
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: nyg on January 31, 2010, 02:21:09 PM
And Doh to me for failing to mention that Butler guy as being a senior next year!  (Perhaps I don't want to acknowledge that reality that JB will be leaving next year!).  So, that means we will have 3 scholarships open for 2011 - I have to think Buzz will land at least 2 quality bigs in the 2011 class.  He can illustrate to recruits that - "Hey, we have an extermely talented set of guards, depth at that position..I've proven I can win even with and undersized and thin roster with only 8 scholarship players...we add you (Mr. Big Guy) to the mix, and it is very, very likely you are going to be playing with a team that has a legitimate chance to get to the Final Four."

All this said, Buzz MUST get a 4 or 5 with this last scholarship player.  If that doesn't happen, I will simmer my Buzz man-crush.
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We will all keep an eye-out for that.

BTW, anyone know what's up with the name "Strawberry Mansion"?  Strange name for a school.






Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 31, 2010, 02:34:48 PM
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We will all keep an eye-out for that.

LOL - Nice!  Hey, I'm All-In on Buzz.  Y'all can have a field day with me if he doesn't bring in a 4-5..and I'm defining a 4 as someone 6'7" 215-225lbs+ 







Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: wildbill sb on January 31, 2010, 02:35:54 PM
Google "Strawberry Mansion."  Interesting history.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: bma725 on January 31, 2010, 02:37:00 PM
Though I generally agree with BMA and he has a lot of clout here - I'm going to disagree with this analysis for 3 reasons:  1) To say we will be stuck in the same place we've been for the next 5 years implies that we have NO chance of signing a 1 or 2 Quality Bigs in the 2011 class (I believe we have 2 schollies available that year - Fulce and Buycks departures).  2) Buzz has said he will never pass up the opportunity to sign a kid, that he feels is a player - so he must like a lot about Newbill's game.  3) Some have speculated Vander Blue could be good enough to leave the program after his 2nd or 3rd year - so to get more depth at guard now (thought counterintuitive) with a player that Buzz feels is a player..may very well be a nice insurance policy.

I get the whole never passing up a good player even if he's not at a position of need thing, I do.  But it's a deeply flawed line of thinking.  The reality is that there are simply far far more players that are ready to go right away at the 1-3 positions than there are at the 4-5.  It takes a lot more time for a big man to develop into a quality college player than it does for a guard.  So if you're always going with the guys that are the best players available, 95% of the time you're going to get guards.  And you simply can't become an elite level program that way.  At some point, all of the top level coaches realize that filling needs is often more important than taking the most talented guy available, because in the end you can't out talent the other team if the only talent you have is at the wing positions....Buzz hasn't gotten there yet.

Worrying about Vander leaving in 2 or 3 years shouldn't lead you to an insurance policy, in fact that's pretty much the worst route you can go.  If you really believe he's going to be here only 2 or 3 years, then you have to make sure you are putting the absolute best team around him when you've got him on campus.  You don't do that by recruiting a back up guard.  Given how long it takes your average big man to develop, even Top 100 big men that are outside of the Top 15 or so, you can't afford to be looking toward 2011 or 2012 to get one, because by the time they are ready it will be too late. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 31, 2010, 02:45:05 PM
I get the whole never passing up a good player even if he's not at a position of need thing, I do.  But it's a deeply flawed line of thinking.  The reality is that there are simply far far more players that are ready to go right away at the 1-3 positions than there are at the 4-5.  It takes a lot more time for a big man to develop into a quality college player than it does for a guard.  So if you're always going with the guys that are the best players available, 95% of the time you're going to get guards.  And you simply can't become an elite level program that way.  At some point, all of the top level coaches realize that filling needs is often more important than taking the most talented guy available, because in the end you can't out talent the other team if the only talent you have is at the wing positions....Buzz hasn't gotten there yet.

Worrying about Vander leaving in 2 or 3 years shouldn't lead you to an insurance policy, in fact that's pretty much the worst route you can go.  If you really believe he's going to be here only 2 or 3 years, then you have to make sure you are putting the absolute best team around him when you've got him on campus.  You don't do that by recruiting a back up guard.  Given how long it takes your average big man to develop, even Top 100 big men that are outside of the Top 15 or so, you can't afford to be looking toward 2011 or 2012 to get one, because by the time they are ready it will be too late. 
  Very good insight BMA..I respect virtually everything you wrote.  Well thought out, good analysis.  My only rebuttal would be, that hopefully Buzz can land 2 highly regarded big-men in the 2011 class, that might be more game ready as freshman, than would taking a project this year.  Probably wishful thinking on my part to think we could land 2 highly regarded bigs in 1 year..but a possibility
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 31, 2010, 02:53:12 PM
I get the whole never passing up a good player even if he's not at a position of need thing, I do.  But it's a deeply flawed line of thinking.  The reality is that there are simply far far more players that are ready to go right away at the 1-3 positions than there are at the 4-5.  It takes a lot more time for a big man to develop into a quality college player than it does for a guard.  So if you're always going with the guys that are the best players available, 95% of the time you're going to get guards.  And you simply can't become an elite level program that way.  At some point, all of the top level coaches realize that filling needs is often more important than taking the most talented guy available, because in the end you can't out talent the other team if the only talent you have is at the wing positions....Buzz hasn't gotten there yet.

Worrying about Vander leaving in 2 or 3 years shouldn't lead you to an insurance policy, in fact that's pretty much the worst route you can go.  If you really believe he's going to be here only 2 or 3 years, then you have to make sure you are putting the absolute best team around him when you've got him on campus.  You don't do that by recruiting a back up guard.  Given how long it takes your average big man to develop, even Top 100 big men that are outside of the Top 15 or so, you can't afford to be looking toward 2011 or 2012 to get one, because by the time they are ready it will be too late.  

Well said BMA. It's funny, several of us have said something similar but are called Buzz haters for it.  Go figure.

But again, solid analysis.  It is a puzzling signing in that regard, but it also goes to show what so many have said with supply and demand.  The most abundant good players are guards, it's just a simple numbers game.  There are a ton of them out there.  There are very few quality bigs.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 31, 2010, 02:54:49 PM
I guessing Mansion was easier to spell than Fields.
Title: Re: [Rosiak's Blog] Philly guard commits to MU
Post by: NersEllenson on January 31, 2010, 03:11:03 PM
Sigh...yeah, you nailed it.    Afterall, I haven't even offered an opinion on this, simply stating what other sites are saying, but you sure nailed it.   ::)
Here's my beef with Chicos - he states in the above post (#51 in this thread) he hasn't even offered an opinion, but now after BMA's post, he tries to say that he was stating the same or similar to what BMA just posted.  Trying to get credibility by associating his viewpoint (which he NEVER shared in this whole thread) with one of the most respected posters on MU - when he's already said in the same thread "he hasn't even offered an opinion on this."  GET REAL, but what could I expect from someone who lives in "The O.C.?"
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: nyg on January 31, 2010, 03:27:39 PM
Going on page number seven of this thread and I was sort of suprised as some of this signing.  The staff will get a bigman with the last slot from somewhere, since they have the argument of playing time at a PF on their side.  They did not have that previously with Maymon on the roster when recruiting was at its peak. With Butler and Fulce gone after next year, the argument can be even greater for 2011 recruits.  Just have to find a suitable size guy for next year and if they have to recruit "over" that player in 2011, so be it.   It is what it is. 

Wasted signing of this kid, who knows. The "diamond in the rough" usually does not occur, but maybe in this case its a remote possibility.  When he is not even listed in the Scout or Rivals database, and mediocre at best rating on ESPN site, there is some concern, but we are not on the recruiting trail like the staff and rely on the impact of the internet and media press.

When he arrives, Newbill will be behind DJO, Buycks, Junior, Blue and probably Smith when it comes to playing time.  This will give him a few years to learn and grow in order to compete for backup playing time when Buycks and DJO depart. If not, he will be a fine member of the team and help in practice.

Now with all this discussion/comments/arguments/analysis, does anyone actually believe Newbill will see more time on the court than Frozena?  
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: NersEllenson on January 31, 2010, 03:35:50 PM
Rosiak wrote that West Virginia had offered him.  Temple did not have any scholarships available to offer him.  Villanova was set at guard (as you could say we are too).  But, I did see that about 1 year ago this kid was 6'2", 165lbs - now he is a solid 6'3-6'4 and weighs 197 - much more of a Big East body, which may explain him being considered more of a mid-major player. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 31, 2010, 03:38:20 PM
You know, there is such a thing as a late bloomer. Depends on how hard he wants to work. Pretty sure Frozen A didn't have an offer from Huggins coming out of high school either. Some other cat posted that maybe Buzz will over-recruit this class also. That may very well be true. Don't know yet who will qualify  leave the program, or have a season ending groin pull.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: willie warrior on January 31, 2010, 03:40:12 PM
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We will all keep an eye-out for that.

BTW, anyone know what's up with the name "Strawberry Mansion"?  Strange name for a school.








It has some drug connotation--like Strawberry Alarm Clock!
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Boone on January 31, 2010, 04:16:50 PM
My enthusiasm for the Newbill signing is greatly tempered by Buzz' ongoing interest in Crowder. Fill those two slots w/Newbill and a big: OK. Fill them w/Newbill and Crowder: what the...?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 31, 2010, 04:26:37 PM
You know, there is such a thing as a late bloomer. Depends on how hard he wants to work. Pretty sure Frozen A didn't have an offer from Huggins coming out of high school either. Some other cat posted that maybe Buzz will over-recruit this class also. That may very well be true. Don't know yet who will qualify  leave the program, or have a season ending groin pull.

All very true.  The question that is legitimate, however, is that Huggy Bear has more of a need for a guard than we do.  That's the puzzling part.  But maybe this kid is the real deal, let's all hope so.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Blackhat on January 31, 2010, 04:35:45 PM
At least Crowder has been a very good rebounder in JUCO, FWIW.     

I have no doubt if Buzz feels Crowder is top notch he'll sign him and I further wouldn't doubt if a high major PF wanted to commit he'd take him and oversign and figure it out later. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Boone on January 31, 2010, 04:46:14 PM
Crowder's undoubtedly talented but a 6'6" 215 pounder is not the answer to our inside needs.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Markusquette on January 31, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
Can someone fill me in on Crowder?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: nyg on January 31, 2010, 04:53:47 PM
Can someone fill me in on Crowder?

Heard he goes by the name "Clam"
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: The Pickle on January 31, 2010, 04:54:39 PM
Is that the red or the white?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 31, 2010, 04:55:24 PM
Is that the red or the white?

Bearded
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: The Pickle on January 31, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
Bearded

Lol.  Nice.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 31, 2010, 05:00:05 PM
Bearded

Really? In today's day and age? You been following this stuff closely?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 31, 2010, 05:05:15 PM
Really? In today's day and age? You been following this stuff closely?

It's making a comeback....it's a hippie thing....but not allowed in my home. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: mviale on January 31, 2010, 05:17:16 PM
It has some drug connotation--like Strawberry Alarm Clock!

Strawberry Mansion is an area within Philly.  Tough area.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: mr.MUskie on January 31, 2010, 07:00:16 PM
Strawberry Mansion is an area within Philly.  Tough area.



Strawberry Mansion is a neighborhood in the United States city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, located east of Fairmount Park in North Philadelphia. It has a large and predominantly African-American population. The neighborhood is bounded by 33rd Street in the west, 29th Street in the east, Lehigh Ave to the north, and Oxford Street in the South. As of the 2000 census, the neighborhood had a population of 22,562. It is often associated with the historic house of the same name, Historic Strawberry Mansion, located adjacent to the neighborhood and generally thought to be the source of the community's name.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: chapman on February 01, 2010, 06:06:25 AM

Strawberry Mansion is a neighborhood in the United States city of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, located east of Fairmount Park in North Philadelphia. It has a large and predominantly African-American population. The neighborhood is bounded by 33rd Street in the west, 29th Street in the east, Lehigh Ave to the north, and Oxford Street in the South. As of the 2000 census, the neighborhood had a population of 22,562. It is often associated with the historic house of the same name, Historic Strawberry Mansion, located adjacent to the neighborhood and generally thought to be the source of the community's name.

Read on...

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Strawberry Mansion, had a median home sale price of $47,900.

If you know anything about the typical real estate costs in the area, that says it all.  There are "good" parts of greater Philly which I would consider run down and crappy compared to most of Milwaukee where houses sell for $300k.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: romey on February 01, 2010, 07:35:16 AM
Read on...

If you know anything about the typical real estate costs in the area, that says it all.  There are "good" parts of greater Philly which I would consider run down and crappy compared to most of Milwaukee where houses sell for $300k.

What?
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 01, 2010, 07:58:37 AM
I imagine that was an inelegant sentence.  The median sales price for Milwaukee in 09 was $115k.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Marquette Gyros on February 01, 2010, 01:27:31 PM
There are "good" parts of greater Philly (which I would consider run down and crappy compared to most of Milwaukee) where houses sell for $300k.


See the new parentheses
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: damuts222 on February 01, 2010, 01:33:35 PM
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But, I did see that about 1 year ago this kid was 6'2", 165lbs - now he is a solid 6'3-6'4 and weighs 197 - much more of a Big East body, which may explain him being considered more of a mid-major player. 


  Hopefully he can duplicate that leap, that is assuming his growth spurt hasn't ceased. If he got to 6'5 or 6'6 that may move him to shooting forward given our depth at guard. Then again who knows how accurate the measurements are in high school, it seems as if every site has them listed differently because they are not up-to-date. For some reason I have a feeling that this kid may surprise some, no reason for it, except given his background I think he's going to play more like a shooting forward.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Blackhat on February 01, 2010, 01:39:59 PM
FWIW, the poster on the St. Joe's site called his best position right now as a 6'4" point guard. 

Guess if we have to guard a Derrick Rose type PG we'll know who to call.
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: chapman on February 01, 2010, 04:02:04 PM

See the new parentheses

That works. 
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: Pakuni on February 02, 2010, 12:03:00 AM
Stories from the Philadelphia Daily News and Inquirer:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20100201_Strawberry_Mansion_star_picks_Marquette.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20100201_Strawberry_Mansions_Newbill_picks_Marquette.html

Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on February 02, 2010, 12:25:14 AM
Glad to see he's an honor roll student!
Title: Re: DJ Newbill-New 2010 Commit?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 02, 2010, 12:31:14 AM
Stories from the Philadelphia Daily News and Inquirer:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20100201_Strawberry_Mansion_star_picks_Marquette.html

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/high_school/20100201_Strawberry_Mansions_Newbill_picks_Marquette.html



Wade continuing to pay dividends as well.