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Title: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on January 18, 2010, 01:38:50 PM
I ask this as a serious question looking at the directions of the programs and the overall results of the series between the two teams in the last 20 years.

Sure, DePaul/MU share a lot of history, including some great games in the 1970s between Al and Ray Meyer, conference affliation/moves over the last 20 years, and are similar institutions being urban Catholic universities in major metropolitan areas. 

But since 1989-90, Marquette has really wrestled control of the rivalry.  In the last 40 games between DePaul-Marquette, Marquette is 30-10.  DePaul hasn't won in Milwaukee since 2000.

Since 1990, Marquette has won 3 conference regular season/tournament titles (Great Midwest 1994, CUSA Tournament 1997, CUSA Regular Season 2003) and made 10 NCAAs (including the Sweet 16 in 1994 and Final Four in 2003) and 6 NITs (including losing in the '95 NIT Final).  In that same period, DePaul won CUSA in 2003-2004 (5-way split for the conference title), and made 4 NCAAs and 6 NITs, winning only 1 NCAA game in this period. 

Both programs have gone thru the same number of coaches (4 each, not including Tracy Webster's interim stint this year).  Marquette posted only 2 losing seasons in the last 20 years, but DePaul's had 8 in 20 years (going towards 9 right now). Since joining the Big East, Marquette is 5-1 head to head vs. DePaul, and has posted 10+ wins each year, finishing no lower than 6th. DePaul, though, has posted no more than 9 wins in each of their first 4 Big East seasons.

I know for a lot of older alums DePaul is still considered a rival based on the shared characteristics between the institutions and the rivalry between the programs in the 1970s and early 1980s. For younger alums like myself, other than geography, there is nothing that really makes DePaul a serious rival anymore in my mind.


Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on January 18, 2010, 01:45:39 PM
Not to mention the fact that when we play at their place, it's practically a 10th Conference Home game for us.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: The Man in Gold on January 18, 2010, 02:08:25 PM
I hate FIB's...down with DePaul
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: LA on January 18, 2010, 02:39:09 PM
I have only followed MU hoops since 2002 (graduated 06) and can't say that I have ever considered DePaul a rival. Obviously knowing the history I can see how some might but they aren't even fun to hate. Watching the Deiner boys go at it in 03-04 was entertaining but other than that they mean nothing.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 18, 2010, 02:41:22 PM
I think the FIBs thing keeps DePaul a rival.  I think the hating that our good friends from Wisconsin do on people from Chicago is pretty unfounded.  (Especially in the context of Cubs fans cheering for the Cubs at a Brewers game, Cubs fans drinking beer at a Brewers game, one Cubs fan swearing at a Brewers game and Brewers fans generalizing that all Cubs fans swear around kids, etc.)  But it is what it is.  My friends from Chicago and I have given up on trying to understand it.  

DePaul was a great rival in the 70's and there will always be something to it.  It will feel like a bigger game than Providence or St. Johns no matter how good or bad the teams are.

DePaul is also a good coach away from getting McNeal or Reggie Smith to stay in Chicago, so there will be recruiting battles that can enhance the rivalry as well.  

Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: romey on January 18, 2010, 02:48:39 PM
MU fan since 1970.  I was young, but I don't recall it being a "rivalry" necessarily in the 70's.  Yes, we played them home and home I recall, but I think we pretty much beat them reguklarly then.  Where can I look that up?  I may be wrong, but i think the rivalry was more in the 60's???
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: MUsoxfan on January 18, 2010, 02:57:59 PM
A large part of us FIBS can't stand Cubs fans either 8-)
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 18, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
A large part of us FIBS can't stand Cubs fans either 8-)

haha.  fair point.    All I know is that every baseball team's fans has a negative stereotype about their fans, and if the negative stereotype for the Cubs is a really, really attractive girl who does not know much about baseball, I will take it and all the hate coming from the north and the south.

At least we can all unite behind Marquette beating DePaul
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Ari Gold on January 18, 2010, 03:06:12 PM

DePaul was a great rival in the 70's and there will always be something to it.  It will feel like a bigger game than Providence or St. Johns no matter how good or bad the teams are.


Agree. It's not a rivalry in the traditional sense, but because of geographical location and similarities between the schools I think that MU/DePaul feels like a bigger game than some other BE bottom dwellers
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: PJDunn on January 18, 2010, 03:15:44 PM
For many of us who only inhabited the great state of Wisconsin for their 4 years of undergrad, the Badgers aren't that important of a rival either.  Other than laughing at their overblown sense of academic prowess once a year, that game means much less than Louisville or Pitt to me.

It will be to our benefit if DePaul rebounds and the rivalry returns to what it was in the late 70s and early to mid 80s.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: LON on January 18, 2010, 03:16:12 PM
I'm just pissed that it's on stupid WMLW again...

The only player that I can pick out with 100% accuracy is Rob Frozena.  That station is the suck.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: bma725 on January 18, 2010, 03:19:08 PM
MU fan since 1970.  I was young, but I don't recall it being a "rivalry" necessarily in the 70's.  Yes, we played them home and home I recall, but I think we pretty much beat them reguklarly then.  Where can I look that up?  I may be wrong, but i think the rivalry was more in the 60's???

You're pretty much right on this.

If a rivalry is based on the notion that two teams are relatively equal, and thus there's a chance that either one could win the game....well it's tough to say DePaul was ever really a rival.  Throughout our histories, when DePaul has been good it's nearly always come at the times that MU was bad, and vice versa.  There have been very few years where both teams were good at the same time.

For example, in the 1970s:

MU

W - 251 L - 41
9 NCAA Appearances (1 Championship, 1 Runner Up, 1 Elite 8, 4 Sweet 16)
1 NIT Appearances (1 Championship)

DePaul
W - 165 L -101
3 NCAA Appearances (1 Final Four, 1 Elite 8, 1 Sweet Sixteen)
0 NIT Appearances.

In terms of head to head during that era, MU went 16-3.  Al was 14-1, Hank was 1-2.  Tough to call it much of a rivalry given the dominance during the McGuire days, and the fact that DePaul didn't really get good again until Al retired and players that planned on coming to MU decided to go to DePaul.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: bma725 on January 18, 2010, 03:26:43 PM
It will be to our benefit if DePaul rebounds and the rivalry returns to what it was in the late 70s and early to mid 80s.

It wasn't much of a rivalry then either.  From the time Al retired until the first year of KO, MU went 5-13 against DePaul.  Some of the games were close, but it's tough to call something a rivalry when you do that poorly, especially given how well they'd done under McGuire in the 1970s (14-1).

Essentially when you look back at it, for as much as people have always wanted it to be a rivalry on the court, it really hasn't been.  It's been long periods of domination by one team which then switches to long periods of domination by the other team.  The only place where the rivalry really occurs, at least historically, is on the recruiting trails.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 18, 2010, 04:04:21 PM
If saying DePaul is our rival nets us a mirror BE game with them every year, and thus, two easy wins, shortening the BE season from 18 to 16 real games .. I say: DEPAUL IS OUR RIVAL!
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: W on January 18, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Respect the past...
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/4286300646_a4f6575e28.jpg)
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/29259894.html
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2010, 04:37:20 PM
Al was 14-1 v. Ray Meyer?  I never realized that.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: bma725 on January 18, 2010, 04:43:40 PM
Al was 14-1 v. Ray Meyer?  I never realized that.

In the 1970s, yes. 

Overall he was 20-6.  He went 0-4 his first two years, but once he had his players in place he only lost two more games to him.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Tulsa Warrior on January 18, 2010, 04:57:21 PM
In the early McGuire Days it was a natural geographic rivalry.  DePaul wasn't good but neither was Marquette.  Ray Meyer's days seemed well behind him.  Didn't George Mikan, one of the game's first big men, play for Meyer's back in the late 40s?

McGuire pretty much ran the table against DePaul and owned Chicago recruiting wars.  I remember a news conference back in the mid 70s where a bunch of reporters heard a rumor that Meyer's was retiring or DePaul was going to drop sports entirely.  The noozer was packed.  It didn't happen.

When Al left Marquette college ball was changing.  The Chicago Media became a recruiting arm of DePaul.  Mark Aguirre and several other blue chippers picked DePaul over Marquette.  They had a nice run for awhile.  Son, Joey Meyer, took over and could not keep it going.  He PO'ed a bunch of high school coaches and the recruiting pipeline dried up.

DePaul and Joey parted ways and a string of poor coaching hires followed.  Coach Latoa  (misspelled his name) cashed in quickly and crashed at his next job.  Was he frustrated over DePaul commitment to basketball and facilities?

The Big East needs a strong program in Chicago for marketing purposes.  It would be good for Marquette to have that geographic rival back.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2010, 05:02:20 PM
DePaul and Joey parted ways and a string of poor coaching hires followed.  Coach Latoa  (misspelled his name) cashed in quickly and crashed at his next job.  Was he frustrated over DePaul commitment to basketball and facilities?


UConn's top assistant Dave Leitao.  Left DePaul and went to UVa after some mild success.  Fired last year at UVa.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Tulsa Warrior on January 18, 2010, 05:27:26 PM
FYI, Loyola of Chicago was the bigger rival in the 1960s and early 70s.  The Ramblers won an NCAA title in the 60s and were beating Marquette in the early 1970s.  The were filling up Chicago Stadium.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: T-Bone on January 18, 2010, 05:29:20 PM
A large part of us FIBS can't stand Cubs fans either 8-)
And let's not forget the Sox had 20+ seasons playing against the Brewers prior to '94 move to the NL. 
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: sailwi on January 18, 2010, 05:49:26 PM
A couple of expansions to a few of the posts.  Joey Meyer didn't get a few of the CPL coaches mad at him he got blackballed by Sonny Landon Cox the coach at King at the time who for a number of years recruited talent to King and dominated the CPL,  Teddy Grubbs was a great player at DePaul who had some emotional issues and ended up leaving the program, Cox thought Joey should have waved a magic wand and made Grubbs better again and an NBA player, as much as I never liked Joey he got the short end of stick on this one.  There is also some thought the AD at the time wanted Joey out and stopped letting Joey take some kids who were academic risks so the combination of the two sried up the Chicago pipeline.

As to why Wisconsinites frown at FIBS I think it is an easy explanation.  Our friends to the south look down on Milwaukee and Wisconsin as a backwater burg but every Friday afternoon in the summer they can't wait to get into their cars, clog the roads and get to Wisconsin for the weekend.  It seems ironic to some of us that the place many think is backwards is where they want to spend their leisure time.  I have lived in both places and Milwaukee is more affordable and so much easier to get around it makes for a better lifestyle for me, some prefer the bigger city like Chicago and the culture, etc it offers that Milwaukee does not.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: romey on January 18, 2010, 06:10:03 PM
In the 1970s, yes. 

Overall he was 20-6.  He went 0-4 his first two years, but once he had his players in place he only lost two more games to him.

I had some time on my hands so I went to Wiki and checked the results from 1970-1980.

Beginning in 1970 we won 13 straight until (ironically in our Championship year) we lost our second meeting of the year to them (at home) in OT 77-72.  We then won the next year at home (only one game that year).  Played them twice the next year ('78-'79 season) Lost 61-60 at Depaul when they were ranked #20 and then met them in the NCAA tourney when they were ranked #6 and lost 62-56. 

Played them the next season, technically in 1980, but it was the 79-80 season and we lost 92-85 at home when they were ranked #2.  So, as bama pointed out, Al owned Depaul in the 70's.  The last three losses were during Hank's regime.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2010, 06:13:31 PM
As to why Wisconsinites frown at FIBS I think it is an easy explanation.  Our friends to the south look down on Milwaukee and Wisconsin as a backwater burg but every Friday afternoon in the summer they can't wait to get into their cars, clog the roads and get to Wisconsin for the weekend.  It seems ironic to some of us that the place many think is backwards is where they want to spend their leisure time. 


I like to spend my leisure time in the north woods of Wisconsin and the Florida panhandle.  Both are quite backwards.  In fact, I think the correlation of "places where people like to spend their leisure time" and "places that people generally view as backward," is a positive one.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: MUrugger on January 18, 2010, 06:19:26 PM
To the post two above this one...spoken like a true cheesehead (which I think is the counter-slur to FIB)
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Sheriff on January 18, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
FYI, Loyola of Chicago was the bigger rival in the 1960s and early 70s.  The Ramblers won an NCAA title in the 60s and were beating Marquette in the early 1970s.  The were filling up Chicago Stadium.

Having been to a few games in the old Alimni Gym under the L tracks in Rogers Park in the late 1970's I can tell you that Loyola and DePaul had quite a rivalry back then as well.

Too bad DePaul won't schedule Loyola now.  Competition with the Ramblers is probably more suited for DePaul than Big East play.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: patso on January 18, 2010, 07:51:29 PM
Depaul and St. John's two great programs that have hit rock bottom
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: sailwi on January 18, 2010, 08:20:56 PM
I'm a transplant cheesehead not a native, grew up in Detroit lived in Chicago and Milwaukee so the perspective is not exactly true cheesehead.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on January 18, 2010, 08:21:24 PM
The Big East needs a strong program in Chicago for marketing purposes.  It would be good for Marquette to have that geographic rival back.

The Big East seems to have done just fine on the exposure front with DePaul licking the rest of the Conference's boots.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: LastWarrior on January 20, 2010, 10:42:57 PM
I guess one team took tonight's game a bit more serious and looked at it as a game versus their top rival.  Hhhmmm... I wonder which team that was?

Hat's off to DePaul tonight... they deserved to win.  We couldn't get in a groove and played very FLAT.

A lot of basketball to play but tonight's loss HURT... BAD.  I'm NOW for keeping Junior on the bench until next year... let this team earn their NCAA bid with the current roster.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: mugrack on January 20, 2010, 10:57:43 PM
Now they are
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Avenue Commons on January 21, 2010, 07:39:33 PM
Last night was the 108th meeting between Marquette and DePaul. The are, and always will be, rivals. To say otherwise is to be completely ignorant of the history of the two schools. If you don't think they are rivals, then you didn't watch the game on tv or at the Horizon last night. The fans for both Marquette and DePaul were electric. Small crowd, but absolutely electric.

History of playing each other, proximity, similar Catholic missions, urban schools, conference companions since the days of being independents all make Marquette and DePaul rivals for as long as there is college basketball.

The Packers beat the bears 8 times over 4 years in the mid-90's. Packers vs. Bears is still one of the biggest rivalries in sports. Competitiveness is only one ingredient in what makes a rival.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: El Duderino on January 21, 2010, 08:08:07 PM
I'm old enough to remember playing DePaul when they were good, but now that we are in the Big East, i don't feel any extra juice to face them than if we were playing say St. John's. It's just pretty much another game on the schedule for me.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Avenue Commons on January 21, 2010, 09:11:34 PM
A large part of us FIBS can't stand Cubs fans either 8-)

Sox fans dislike Cubs fans much, much, much more than Brewers fans dislike Cubs fans.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: bma725 on January 21, 2010, 09:38:12 PM
History of playing each other, proximity, similar Catholic missions, urban schools, conference companions since the days of being independents all make Marquette and DePaul rivals for as long as there is college basketball.

No way, there's simply no such thing as an eternal rivalry.  All it takes is one of the school's making the decision to downplay the importance of athletics and the rivalry will fade away.  Don't believe me, just look at our history with Loyola-Chicago.

One could make nearly the exact same argument for them as you are making for MU-DPU.  Proximity, mission, history of playing each other going back to nearly the beginning of the program.  The only thing you don't have is the conference tie in(outside of a few years in the MCC), but Loyola has the Jesuit connection that DePaul doesn't.  And yet, no one even considers them a rival, and we have played them only one time in the past 19 years.  Why?  Because they made the conscious decision that they no longer wanted to compete at the top levels of college basketball, and MU does.  Our diverging paths killed the rivalry.

If one or the other of MU and DePaul ever end up on opposite sides, where one is a high major and the other a mid major at best, the rivalry will fade just like it did with Loyola.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 22, 2010, 08:23:19 AM
What's a FIB?
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Fullodds on January 22, 2010, 08:41:27 AM
Rivalries evolve.  For many who went to MU in the early '80's, DePaul, ND, Dayton, and Creighton were the big rivalry games (Hey, what about Athletes in Action??).

As we went from an independent to conference play, other schools jumped up as rivals including L'ville and Cinn.  Heck, teams like Charlotte and even UAB were begining to fit the role back in CUSA days.

Today, our rivals will always be first our conference foes.  Teams like DePaul, ND, L'ville and Cinn are up on the top of the list due to history + conference affiliation.  Others like our new brothers in the BE (Pitt, GT, Nova) are rising as rivals as we play them 2+ times a year.

I guess that DP will always be a rival as long as they stay in the BE.  If they ever left the BE, they might fall away like our current rivalry status between Dayton and/or Creighton.  Whether they're good, bad or average, teams like DePaul and ND will remain rivals as we continue to see them in the BE standings.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 22, 2010, 09:07:53 AM
What's a FIB?

A F**king Illinois Bastard.

A Wisconsinite term for our reckless-driving flatlander neighbors to the south.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 22, 2010, 03:18:34 PM
BMA is spot on - I thought Boston College - Holy Cross would be rivals forever.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Avenue Commons on January 22, 2010, 08:19:06 PM
No way, there's simply no such thing as an eternal rivalry.  All it takes is one of the school's making the decision to downplay the importance of athletics and the rivalry will fade away.  Don't believe me, just look at our history with Loyola-Chicago.

One could make nearly the exact same argument for them as you are making for MU-DPU.  Proximity, mission, history of playing each other going back to nearly the beginning of the program.  The only thing you don't have is the conference tie in(outside of a few years in the MCC), but Loyola has the Jesuit connection that DePaul doesn't.  And yet, no one even considers them a rival, and we have played them only one time in the past 19 years.  Why?  Because they made the conscious decision that they no longer wanted to compete at the top levels of college basketball, and MU does.  Our diverging paths killed the rivalry.

If one or the other of MU and DePaul ever end up on opposite sides, where one is a high major and the other a mid major at best, the rivalry will fade just like it did with Loyola.

You kind of make my point for me. I noted that both Marquette and DePaul were are and, for the foreseeable future, in the same conference. As long as that is the case, combined with the other factors, Marquette and DePaul will be rivals.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Sheriff on January 22, 2010, 08:44:19 PM
A F**king Illinois Bastard.

A Wisconsinite term for our reckless-driving flatlander neighbors to the south.

Not reckless.  Just trying to get around the locals driving slowly in the left lane.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: IAmMarquette on January 23, 2010, 01:36:07 AM
Not reckless.  Just trying to get around the locals driving slowly in the left lane.


+1, from a Wisconsinite.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 04, 2010, 12:03:33 PM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=430&f=2585&t=5574237 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=430&f=2585&t=5574237)

They are having the same debate on DePaul's board on whether or not we are rivals.  I didn't realize how much they hated us! 
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: MUEng92 on February 04, 2010, 12:17:34 PM
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=430&f=2585&t=5574237 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=430&f=2585&t=5574237)

- When I see a car with a Marquette license plate frame or window sticker, I immediately think less of the driver. Do I try to run him/her off the road? No, because I'm not a psychopath.

- A few weeks ago, I was waiting to pick up a pizza at a suburban Lou Malnati's, and several of the high school kids working there were talking about which colleges they were getting letters from. When one kid said he got accepted to Marquette, I held my tongue. But when he started to try and talk another undecided kid into coming to MU as well, I said "that would be the biggest mistake you could ever make." Then I paid for my pizza and left. 

- If I was stuck on a desert island with access to only one 10-second clip of TV footage that played over and over and over again, I would want it to be of the Marquette players, coaches, and fans at a Selection Sunday party finding out that their NCAA Tournament bubble got popped.

Forget the recent competitive disparity, folks. It's simply the hatred that we have to keep alive.
 

Wow, that is pretty hostile. I just don't understand the basis.  Now, replace Marquette with UW in any of those sentences and it makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 04, 2010, 12:21:42 PM
its cute, thats all it is.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: ZiggysFryBoy on February 04, 2010, 12:23:30 PM
Wow, that is pretty hostile. I just don't understand the basis.  Now, replace Marquette with UW in any of those sentences and it makes perfect sense.

sounds like something that would come from a UWM fan.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Fullodds on February 04, 2010, 12:25:25 PM
Wow, that is pretty hostile. I just don't understand the basis.  Now, replace Marquette with UW in any of those sentences and it makes perfect sense.

All fixed now.....

[b]- A few weeks ago, I was waiting to pick up a working my job makingpizza at a suburban Lou Malnati's, and several of the high school kids working there were talking about which colleges they were getting letters from. When one kid said he got accepted to Marquette, I held my tongue. But when he started to try and talk another undecided kid into coming to MU as well, I said "that would be the biggest mistake you could ever make." Then quit my job making pizza's and went to McDonald's to fill out an applicationI paid for my pizza and left.  [/b]
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Litehouse on February 04, 2010, 12:57:26 PM
I'm surprised to see the hatred too.  I always viewed DePaul as sort of a sibling rivalry, since the schools and fan-bases are so similar.  They're just like us, except our rent was cheaper.  I save the hated-rivals tag for UW.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: boyonthedock on February 04, 2010, 01:35:14 PM
I hate Notre Dame, and that is probably the most common rival for the current crop of MU students. G'town, Pitt, and Louisville would be the games with a heightened atmosphere with more of respected rival slant, excepting perhaps louisville.

Depaul sucks too bad to care about as a recent-ish follower of MU basketball.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: LON on February 04, 2010, 01:46:59 PM
its cute, thats all it is.

+1
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Ari Gold on February 04, 2010, 02:14:57 PM
its cute, thats all it is.

Yeah DePaul needs to have a rivalry with someone it seems. While we are able to be constantly competitive with L'ville, Pitt and UW, Georgetown and ND, who does DePaul match up with like that?

With only 2 NCAA tournament appearances since 2000 I could understand why they have MU Envy.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on February 04, 2010, 02:15:15 PM
When people have asked me about the game last night, my replies have been somewhere along the lines like this: "Eh, it was just DePaul". I believe that says it all.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: AZWarrior on February 04, 2010, 02:20:33 PM
It's a "one-way rivalry".  Meaning its only important to DePaul.  These happen when you have a normal rivalry but then one team dominates for an extended period of time, and the annual game becomes important only to the lesser team. 

That's my humble opinion, at least.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: LON on February 04, 2010, 02:22:15 PM
Does ESPN consider it a rival then?  Because I think this is ESPN's "Rivalry Week"
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: AZWarrior on February 04, 2010, 02:27:00 PM
Does ESPN consider it a rival then?  Because I think this is ESPN's "Rivalry Week"

Coincidence.    ;)
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: CrazyEcho on February 04, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
No . . . but, I'm from Wisconsin.  Perhaps it's more important to people from the Chicagoland area. 
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: TomW1365 on February 04, 2010, 02:57:05 PM
I hate FIB's...down with DePaul

Newsflash:  FIB's make up a good % of Marquette's student body/alumni.    

I don't think some people in parts of Wisconsin understand the left lane is for passing.  Sometimes, I feel like I'm flying in a formation when I'm on Wisconsin Hghwys... but other than that, no complaints.  I
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: TomW1365 on February 04, 2010, 03:00:29 PM
No . . . but, I'm from Wisconsin.  Perhaps it's more important to people from the Chicagoland area. 

The fact is, it's another Midwest Catholic school with a rich basketball tradition in the same conference.  It's a natural rivalry.  Do I get all pumped up to play DePaul?  No.  I sat behind Mark Aguirre at the game a few weeks ago and I think he moved to another empty part of the arena because he was annoyed that a few of us MU fans were in the season ticket holder area. 
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: SlappedButtocks on February 04, 2010, 03:03:47 PM
Mark Aguirre inflicted considerable pain on Marquette. He deserves our respect.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: LON on February 04, 2010, 03:43:11 PM
Newsflash:  FIB's make up a good % of Marquette's student body/alumni.    

I don't think some people in parts of Wisconsin understand the left lane is for passing.  Sometimes, I feel like I'm flying in a formation when I'm on Wisconsin Hghwys... but other than that, no complaints.  I

I'm from WI and I'll be the first one to criticize WI drivers.  Especially in MKE...that said, when I'm going 80-85 in the left lane (and I am passing someone), there is no need to ride my a$$.  It's usually someone with an Illinois plate doing that.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on February 04, 2010, 04:01:58 PM
then move your combine to the right lane
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: LON on February 04, 2010, 04:02:20 PM
then move your combine to the right lane

Haha, nice.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on February 04, 2010, 04:07:06 PM
Sorry, i couldn't resist
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: Benny B on February 04, 2010, 04:36:02 PM
Drive the Tri-State any hour of the day when traffic is moving, and I guarantee you there will be cars in the far left lane going slower than the flow of traffic.

Driving slow in the left (passing) lane isn't any more a Wisconsin thing than it is an Illinois thing.
Title: Re: Is DePaul Really Even A Rival Anymore?
Post by: AZWarrior on February 04, 2010, 04:37:32 PM
Agree.  However, the average speed in WI vs. IL is 5 MPH less.  I prefer IL.
Title: Majerus to DePaul?
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on February 04, 2010, 07:32:12 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/83504437.html