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Title: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: KonaWarrior on November 19, 2009, 10:19:33 AM
Interesting was beginning to pick up for Reggie Smith, and then he opted to end his recruitment. He committed and signed on Thursday.

Marquette added their third signee on the last day of the signing period.
Reggie Smith, a 6-foot-1 combo guard out of Harvey (Ill.) Thornton Township, verbally committed to Buzz Williams and his staff and made it official by signing his Letter of Intent to play for the Golden Eagles.

"Yea he committed and signed," Mac Irving Fire coach Nick Irvin told Scout.com Thursday morning.

Marquette got the nod over strong interest from a host of programs. USC and Indiana had been showing interest, while UCLA and Wake Forest had put in last minute phone calls.

"it was a good fit for him," Irvin said. "They run a three guard offense and they get up and down. It's just his style of basketball and plus it's the Big East."

Smith joins four-star recruit Vander Blue and



 


Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: KonaWarrior on November 19, 2009, 10:21:18 AM
Sorry but above story provided by Evan Daniels on Scout....couldn't put up the proper link

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/921335.html
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MUCrew on November 19, 2009, 10:26:19 AM
This is a thumbs up, yes?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: mu89 on November 19, 2009, 10:26:28 AM
seems like an awesome athlete. hopefully he will be a great backup for JC. now let's save the last one for a big.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MUfan12 on November 19, 2009, 10:30:10 AM
Phenomenal athlete, and a really nice insurance policy to have if Junior can't get back to 100% in time. Will be a nice change of pace guard. I feel a ton better about the backcourt next year already. A lot of options/combinations at Buzz's disposal.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Milkshakes on November 19, 2009, 10:31:27 AM
The link below will get you excited about this guy.  High upside.

http://illinoishsbasketball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=822&Itemid=93
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Ahoya06 on November 19, 2009, 10:32:28 AM
I'm hearing good things. Buzz is certainly busting his butt on the recruiting trail, and I think the results will start to show next year, if not this one!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: mu89 on November 19, 2009, 10:35:14 AM
The link below will get you excited about this guy.  High upside.

http://illinoishsbasketball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=822&Itemid=93

haha makes him sound like DJ with an outside shot. LET'S HOPE!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: LastWarrior on November 19, 2009, 10:35:49 AM
Ranked #105 on Rivals

(http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/942/810409.jpg)

Some comments from various Rivals articles...
http://marquette.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=968447 (http://marquette.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=968447)

"Reggie Smith (2011 Mac Irvin Fire)- The dynamic guard played well alongside Starks, doing a nice job of choosing his moments to assert himself. As usual, he attacked the rim with authority and also knocked down a three-pointer on the way to a 15 point game."



http://marquette.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=964533 (http://marquette.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=964533)
He may be underrated on the rankings front but 6-foot-1 Reggie Smith of Harvey (Ill.) Thornton High School near Chicago is becoming a pretty well thought of commodity in the Class of 2010. Smith earned a spot in the LeBron James Skills Academy and King City Classic last week in Ohio and drew good reviews from multiple reporters there as he displayed his wares in front of big time college coaches.

While in Cleveland, Smith took a few minutes to talk to Peegs.com about the week.

"It is a great experience to play against all these top players," said Smith. "If you can't play the point well with all these guys here then there is nowhere else to play it. It is helping me a lot to have all these shooters and driving it and kicking it out."

As a junior Smith helped lead Thornton to a 29-game winning streak that was finally ended in the Class 4A final four by eventual champ Whitney Young.

When we spoke to Smith in early May, his recruiting outlook was pretty midwest focused. Since then it has started to go more national.

"I have been getting a lot of west coast schools now," said Smith. "I talk to Arizona a lot. I talk to Oregon. Also been talking to South Florida. Everything is getting bigger and bigger, so that has been fun."

He talked about the schools that have been in the hunt for a longer time.

"Marquette has been there all along, Indiana, Kentucky when Tracy (Webster) was there and they still like me, once you think about you forget schools but there has been a lot," said Smith.

Wednesday and Thursday were his first days in front of a full cadre of college coaches in a real competitive environment.

"You want to play more crisp but as long as you just view it as a regular game you should be alright," said Smith.

He knows he got viewed in Cleveland by Indiana head coach Tom Crean.

"I saw him up there," said Smith. "I have not talked to him lately but last time I talked to him he said he liked the way I have been playing and that he was looking forward to keeping in touch with me."

Smith will be competing the rest of July with his Mac Irvin Fire team. Today that team is competing at the Nike Peach Jam in North Augusta, S.C.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Henry Sugar on November 19, 2009, 10:35:58 AM
questions about his ability to run the point, but a freak athlete

http://ilprepbullseye.com/page12.html

http://blogs.suntimes.com/illinois/2009/02/these_teams_will_be_playing_in.html

Thornton has clearly emerged as the best team in Chicago's south suburbs this season and might have the most favorable road to Peoria of any team in class 4A. 6'0 class of 2010 guard Reggie Smith has consistently gotten it done in the clutch all season long and is one of those players who simply wills his team to win. Translation: teams with players like Smith often stick around for a long time once the state tournament arrives.


sick dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGQCLxVenw4




Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: nyg on November 19, 2009, 10:36:20 AM
Agree, great backup for JC.  Now Blue, Buycks, DJO, JC and Smith at the guard spots next year.  Impressive backcourt.

Jones, Williams, Maymon, Fulce and Butler at the wings.  That will work.

Otule and Mbao at center.  Please one more talented bigman.

Even though they just missed with Black, nice job MU Staff.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Pakuni on November 19, 2009, 10:37:21 AM
The young man certainly can jump.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjjV3KsP2-s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjjV3KsP2-s)
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GoldenWarrior on November 19, 2009, 10:39:01 AM
seems like an awesome athlete. hopefully he will be a great backup for JC. now let's save the last one for a big.

+1,000  We need a big man to complement all of these great guards now and then we'll be right there competing with the best of the best!!! T bLack would've been great, but we can't let that slow us down from others!  C'mon Buzz make it happen!!!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Henry Sugar on November 19, 2009, 10:39:39 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/story?id=4534038  (HT:  MU Chi-IL)
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Ahoya06 on November 19, 2009, 10:40:14 AM
#105- Not bad, for our third signing. I agree that a big will probably be in the cards. Too bad about T-Black, he could very well have been the missing piece.

Welcome to the Warrriors, Reggie.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Schmidtyfactor on November 19, 2009, 10:45:08 AM
Here's another link from ESPN Chicago.

"Smith said his top three choices are Marquette, UCLA and USC, with USC slightly in the lead. He will attend USC's Midnight Madness later this month."

Not bad company!

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/story?id=4534038
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on November 19, 2009, 10:45:32 AM
Looks like he's got big hops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGQCLxVenw4

BMA, any thoughts?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Pakuni on November 19, 2009, 10:49:07 AM
Nice Q&A with the Sun-Times last year. Sounds like a real good kid with his head on straight.

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/boys_basketball/1327387,121108-thornton-reggie-smith.article

Thornton is off to a great start, including a victory over Simeon. How much better can the team get? A lot better. We’ve got to play hard every day. Our defense and our bench can improve. We have a lot of juniors on the bench, and they are inexperienced. The defense has to work on boxing out and rebounding, stopping opponents from getting second-chance points.

How much better can you get? A lot better. I work out every day after practice. My biggest area for improvement is being a leader on the floor. I’m soft-spoken. Everybody says I’m like Derrick Rose, very quiet. I have to become more vocal and have more confidence in my three-point shooting.

Your father was a star at South Shore in the 1980s. What’s the best advice he has given you? Play hard and do my best every time I get on the court. I watch a lot of his film. He wasn’t scared of anything. I want to go to the rim and take the contact, no matter who is there.

Who would you like to challenge to a game of HORSE? Kobe Bryant. The shots he makes are unreal. I wonder what he can do when he’s just playing around.

Who would you like to play one-on-one? My dad. I look at his film and see how good he was. Who was better, him in his prime or me?

How much are you aware of Thornton’s tradition? Every day they talk about it, teachers and coaches. Thornton has a great tradition in football and basketball. But it is a football school. A lot of football players played basketball. I want to keep the tradition going. I want to win as much as they did or more, go as far as other teams did.

Your heroes? My uncles, Antoine and Anthony Johnson, my mother’s twin brothers. They went to Thornwood. They keep me away from negative things and will be a big part of my college decision.

Your recruiting situation? It’s crazy, I have three construction garbage bags of mail at home. And the coach has three buckets of mail at his office. I’m not giving up on anyone at this point. I want to visit Arizona, Marquette and Kentucky.

If you had a choice, which school would you attend? Arizona. Things haven’t changed since coach Lute Olson retired. I like their style of play. A lot of good guards have been developed there.

Coach Troy Jackson said you could be the best player in the state as a senior. How do you describe your game? I’m an unselfish player, pass first and shoot second. But I love shooting the last shots. I want the ball in my hands at the end of a close game. I pride myself on finding ways to score. Sometimes I don’t know how I do it.

Superstition? I don’t like to get new things for a game. I don’t want to shoot a new ball or wear new Nikes. Last Saturday, we wore new warmup pants for the first time for our game against Simeon. I couldn’t wait to get them off.

Nobody knows ... My favorite television show is “Jimmy Neutron.”

What do you like most about coach Jackson? He is smart. Everything the other team does, he has something to counter it. And he has a great relationship with his players.

What do you like least about coach Jackson? Practice. You’ve got to be perfect about a lot of things. Sometimes practices last three hours. And if you miss practice, you might as well start running forever.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Rockmic87 on November 19, 2009, 10:49:35 AM
Who do you think our next signee would be? According to http://jucojunction.rivals.com/, there seems to be a handful of 3 star centers and Power Forwards still unsigned. Im hoping Buzz is able to at least sign one big man!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GGGG on November 19, 2009, 10:52:08 AM
Well, Pinkston would be the best choice.

Outside of that, we are either small or going JUCO.  Too bad Clark is such a f*ck up because he would have fit perfectly.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: cheebs09 on November 19, 2009, 10:52:37 AM
This is a quality signing. A versatile guy that can hopefully be a backup for Cadougan and if he doesn't come back full strength could step in. We needed another guard and weren't going to get a stud with Cadougan and Blue, but to get a guy just on the outside of the top 100 in one service with a lot of upside is a great get.

Also not to be overlooked is it gets us back in the Illinois area, mainly Chicago. Also, he plays on the same AAU team as Wayne Blackshear and Mike Shaw. It could help with their recruitment, but also good to get a quality player out of Chicago regardless.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: bma725 on November 19, 2009, 10:54:54 AM
Looks like he's got big hops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGQCLxVenw4

BMA, any thoughts?

Not much I can add that hasn't already been said about his game.  He's been able to play at a very high level based mostly on his athleticism and competitive drive.  If he can develop his skills just a bit more, watch out.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Rockmic87 on November 19, 2009, 11:03:28 AM
I don't understand why it had been soooo hard for us to sign a legit PF or C? You'd think at this point, they would look at our roster and see that they would have a great chance of coming in as a freshman and starting.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MU Chi_IL on November 19, 2009, 11:04:29 AM
 ;D My excitement is in uncharted territory with our recruiting...
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MUfan12 on November 19, 2009, 11:05:25 AM
Well, Pinkston would be the best choice.

Outside of that, we are either small or going JUCO.  Too bad Clark is such a f*ck up because he would have fit perfectly.

It's a shame Black went to Memphis... that would have been the perfect last piece to the class.

Never know what can happen with coaching changes, transfers, etc. Not saying it will happen, but what if Ernie gets the ax at Oregon, and Jamil Wilson wants to transfer? I'd definitely want that scholarship available. Again, just a hypothetical, but it's a good thing to have a scholly open in the Spring, just in case.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 19, 2009, 11:10:06 AM
This goes along with Buzz saying we won't turn down a good player. Also, as was mentioned, getting back into Chicago is huge. I guess those California chicks shaking their pompons wasn't all that, aina Chicos?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 19, 2009, 11:14:25 AM
It's a shame Black went to Memphis... that would have been the perfect last piece to the class.

Never know what can happen with coaching changes, transfers, etc. Not saying it will happen, but what if Ernie gets the ax at Oregon, and Jamil Wilson wants to transfer? I'd definitely want that scholarship available. Again, just a hypothetical, but it's a good thing to have a scholly open in the Spring, just in case.


No problem. You can always pull a Crean and kick somebody out.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: chapman on November 19, 2009, 11:15:46 AM
I like it a lot.  If you're going to sign another guard it's got to be someone that is capable of earning some minutes in a backcourt with Cadougan and Blue (who Buzz sounded very high on playing the point).  Smith has talent, and he's not at all a Cadougan clone, which gives him a solid shot at earning minutes.

Next signing should probably be the most talented 4/5 Buzz can still get.  I agree with MUfan12 though, having some flexibility in spring seems like a very good idea at this point, and if the best player available is a transfer it's worth the year of sitting out.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: downtown85 on November 19, 2009, 11:16:22 AM
This is a great get!  I was worried that we would have a hard time finding a decent talent who would come here knowing full well that he would be in more of a back up role to Junior.  Great job Buzz!

I echo the sentiment of a previous post.  We are set for guards, let's get a big now with the last schollie!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: reinko on November 19, 2009, 11:16:58 AM
I don't understand why it had been soooo hard for us to sign a legit PF or C? You'd think at this point, they would look at our roster and see that they would have a great chance of coming in as a freshman and starting.

I don't think it's that hard to understand.  Law of supply and demand.  How many of the top 100 recruits are legit PF's or C per year?  My ball park guess is under 20.  So you take those 20, and spread them around to the the top 3 or most well known schools in the BE, ACC, SEC, PAC 10, Big 10, and Big 12...not much left.

Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: LastWarrior on November 19, 2009, 11:17:04 AM
Welcome to Marquette Reggie!!

Sounds like a really solid, high upside signing!  Congrats to Buzz & staff!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 19, 2009, 11:17:35 AM
perfect signing.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on November 19, 2009, 11:19:28 AM
He knows he got viewed in Cleveland by Indiana head coach Tom Crean.

"I saw him up there," said Smith. "I have not talked to him lately but last time I talked to him he said he liked the way I have been playing and that he was looking forward to keeping in touch with me."

Touche Monsieur TanMan!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Rockmic87 on November 19, 2009, 11:31:28 AM
I don't think it's that hard to understand.  Law of supply and demand.  How many of the top 100 recruits are legit PF's or C per year?  My ball park guess is under 20.  So you take those 20, and spread them around to the the top 3 or most well known schools in the BE, ACC, SEC, PAC 10, Big 10, and Big 12...not much left.



We still have never really landed a quality big man, except for Robert Jackson who was a transfer! Like it has never happened, and you'd think a big man would see this as an opportunity to be the star right away at a BE school.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: groove on November 19, 2009, 11:36:31 AM
We still have never really landed a quality big man, except for Robert Jackson who was a transfer! Like it has never happened, and you'd think a big man would see this as an opportunity to be the star right away at a BE school.

Jim Chones
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MUfan12 on November 19, 2009, 11:38:12 AM
I'd say Jimmy Mac and Damon Key were pretty good big guys.

Last year's team was a McCaskill away from being a Final 4 squad (with DJ healthy).
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Blackhat on November 19, 2009, 11:40:36 AM
Nice job Buzz.   Let Reggie and Junior fight it out for starting pg, may the best man win.   


Hopefully there's a Texas big hiding at a JUCO who could be a Jimmy Butler type surprise.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 19, 2009, 11:45:03 AM
Hopefully there's a Texas big hiding at a JUCO who could be a Jimmy Butler type surprise.

I'm hoping Joe Fulce surprises us this season!  That would fit your wish (though I wouldn't mind having another big no matter how Fulce progresses).
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Blackhat on November 19, 2009, 11:51:13 AM
I'm talking a 6'9" steal your lunch money big.   Ricardo Ratliffe if we are so lucky.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: bma725 on November 19, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
We still have never really landed a quality big man, except for Robert Jackson who was a transfer! Like it has never happened, and you'd think a big man would see this as an opportunity to be the star right away at a BE school.

Have you forgotten Scott Merritt?  He was a Top 100 big man, and the only player in school history to score 1000 points, grab 600 rebounds, block 100 shots and get 100 assists.  He doesn't get near enough credit on these boards.

Like Reinko said, there just aren't many to go around.  In total there were 8 true centers that are considered to be consensus Top 100 players this year.  Three of them committed before Buzz even took the MU job, one committed with a few months of that.  Three others committed to historical top programs like UCLA, Syracuse and Michigan State.  So that leaves a grand total of one center that is a true post player, ranked in the top 100, and uncommitted.  Unforunately, he will likely never play collegiate basketball due to amateurism issues.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: StillAWarrior on November 19, 2009, 12:04:46 PM
Like Reinko said, there just aren't many to go around.  In total there were 8 true centers that are considered to be consensus Top 100 players this year.  Three of them committed before Buzz even took the MU job, one committed with a few months of that.  Three others committed to historical top programs like UCLA, Syracuse and Michigan State.  So that leaves a grand total of one center that is a true post player, ranked in the top 100, and uncommitted.  Unforunately, he will likely never play collegiate basketball due to amateurism issues.

Dang it, please quit confusing these threads with your well-informed opinions and undeniable facts.  This is an internet message board, for goodness sakes.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 12:13:31 PM
Nice job Buzz.   Let Reggie and Junior fight it out for starting pg, may the best man win.   



Smith wont be battling anyone for a starting spot.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Pakuni on November 19, 2009, 12:14:13 PM
Previously unposted (I think) story on the commitment from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4670906

"He's just a big, strong, physical point guard," said Reggie Rankin, ESPN Scouts Inc. recruiting coordinator for high school and college basketball. "He gets to the basket. He's athletic. He's an excellent defender. He's a good finisher. I think he could definitely learn to be a full-time point guard. I think he's a work in progress as a point guard. He's still learning how to play the game. All the physical tools are there."

Marquette has dipped into Chicago's south suburbs before and had success. Dwyane Wade, Jerel McNeal and Marquette senior Maurice Acker were recruited from the area.

"I think he could be a sleeper," Rankin said. "He's already physically ready to play. Once his skills catch up to his physical ability, he could be a guy you consider a sleeper. At this point and stage and with what's available in the Class of 2010, he's one of the better guys available."
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 19, 2009, 12:22:11 PM
Also from that article, "...you can't beat the Big East. It's the best conference in the country."

It's nice to hear recruits say that time and time again :)
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 19, 2009, 12:28:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGQCLxVenw4

I'm taking Smith over Fulce in next years dunk contest.

http://www.youtube.com/v/NGQCLxVenw4&hl=en_US&fs=1&
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: bilsu on November 19, 2009, 12:36:27 PM
It is hard to sign a good bigman, because we will be recruting against other top programs.

I think Cadougan will be backing up Blue.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: bilsu on November 19, 2009, 12:38:16 PM
I'm taking Smith over Fulce in next years dunk contest.

http://www.youtube.com/v/NGQCLxVenw4&hl=en_US&fs=1&
What about DJO. He said he would have beat fulce in slam dunk contest.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: nyg on November 19, 2009, 01:04:32 PM
It is hard to sign a good bigman, because we will be recruting against other top programs.

I think Cadougan will be backing up Blue.

I think Smith backs up JC at PG
Blue starts at SG.
DJO and Buycks rotate.

Isn't this a great argument to discuss about six quality guards. Can't lose.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Blackhat on November 19, 2009, 01:21:25 PM
Smith wont be battling anyone for a starting spot.

Based on your in depth scouting of all our incoming guards?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 01:32:31 PM
Based on your in depth scouting of all our incoming guards?

It is well known, that Smith has all of the athletic ability in the world, but has to seriously work on his guard skills, and improve on those before. He has a lot of potential, but must develop.

He is the 5th guard, and a solid option for the 5th guard...but hes not competing with Cadougan for the starting PG spot.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: bs4173 on November 19, 2009, 02:02:16 PM
Those videos are great. Somebody might've already mentioned this, but his athleticism reminds me a lot of DJames. If he's our 5th-best....geez, not too shabby...
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Skatastrophy on November 19, 2009, 02:04:37 PM
It is well known, that Smith has all of the athletic ability in the world, but has to seriously work on his guard skills, and improve on those before. He has a lot of potential, but must develop.

He is the 5th guard, and a solid option for the 5th guard...but hes not competing with Cadougan for the starting PG spot.

Lets hold off on calling JC our starting PG until we see how well he recovers from his injury.  Hopefully he can keep his strength and quickness up as well as keeping his weight in check.  I'm not trying to be an ass about it, but he was a few pounds too heavy his senior year and it would be easy to lead a sedentary lifestyle with a boot on your foot.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 19, 2009, 02:12:07 PM
Lets hold off on calling JC our starting PG until we see how well he recovers from his injury.  Hopefully he can keep his strength and quickness up as well as keeping his weight in check.  I'm not trying to be an ass about it, but he was a few pounds too heavy his senior year and it would be easy to lead a sedentary lifestyle with a boot on your foot.

maybe if Buzz wasn't watching him everyday.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Knight Commission on November 19, 2009, 02:15:57 PM
He knows he got viewed in Cleveland by Indiana head coach Tom Crean.

"I saw him up there," said Smith. "I have not talked to him lately but last time I talked to him he said he liked the way I have been playing and that he was looking forward to keeping in touch with me."

Touche Monsieur TanMan!

Pure speculation, but perhaps Coach Crean and/or Coach O'Neill helped us land him over UCLA--i.e. show interest and then back off and help steer. I gotta think that happens in "the fraternity."
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GoldenWarrior on November 19, 2009, 02:18:41 PM
Lets hold off on calling JC our starting PG until we see how well he recovers from his injury.  Hopefully he can keep his strength and quickness up as well as keeping his weight in check.  I'm not trying to be an ass about it, but he was a few pounds too heavy his senior year and it would be easy to lead a sedentary lifestyle with a boot on your foot.

I seem to recall a certain PG (Levance Fields) in the Big East that was a bit hefty for PG, but did quite well during his time ;)
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: hdog1017 on November 19, 2009, 02:23:40 PM
I like this signing.  Looks like we are going to have to be super up-tempo team with the lack of bigs. 
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Markusquette on November 19, 2009, 02:35:53 PM
a nice big would really finish out the class, great get for Buzz here though
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: StillWarriors on November 19, 2009, 02:43:58 PM
I like this signing.  Looks like we are going to have to be super up-tempo team with the lack of bigs. 

Sounds like we will have the tools to do it. As far as the bigs, I agree it sure would be nice to have a stud inside. That said, it isn't like everyone has one. Although they have a long way to go, just having Otule's  and Yous' height alone will be beneficial. That size along with some muscle inside at 6'6"-6'7" should be serviceable. I realize we are looking to move into that upper echelon, but I don't think a 6'10 monster is a prerequisite--there just aren't that many of them around.

Time will tell, but it seems to me the depth of talent on the roster the next couple years will be a big improvement over what we are accustomed to.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: AZWarrior on November 19, 2009, 02:54:31 PM
Heck, I could be happy with a solid 6'5" power forward, if his name was Charles Barkley (well not anymore)   ::)
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GoldenWarrior on November 19, 2009, 02:56:13 PM
Sounds like we will have the tools to do it. As far as the bigs, I agree it sure would be nice to have a stud inside. That said, it isn't like everyone has one. Although they have a long way to go, just having Otule's  and Yous' height alone will be beneficial. That size along with some muscle inside at 6'6"-6'7" should be serviceable. I realize we are looking to move into that upper echelon, but I don't think a 6'10 monster is a prerequisite--there just aren't that many of them around.

Time will tell, but it seems to me the depth of talent on the roster the next couple years will be a big improvement over what we are accustomed to.

Agreed, hopefully Buzz uses all of this depth that he and his staff are gathering here!!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on November 19, 2009, 03:33:04 PM
Junior is still your starting PG. Blue will be the starting #2 and will spell JC when he needs a breather. I can't see JC losing his starting gig over Blue, unless he can't do it cuz of injury. But...he has a full year to recover which is good.

A great signing today. Couldn't be happier. This is not your uncle's MU team. To see how far we've come athletically over the last 5 years is just incredible.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: HoopsMalone on November 19, 2009, 03:42:07 PM
but it seems to me the depth of talent on the roster the next couple years will be a big improvement over what we are accustomed to.


This will make practive a lot more competitive than in year's past as less players' playing time is guaranteed and each player plays against better competition every day.

Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: 4thAndState on November 19, 2009, 03:44:35 PM
Junior is still your starting PG. Blue will be the starting #2 and will spell JC when he needs a breather. I can't see JC losing his starting gig over Blue, unless he can't do it cuz of injury. But...he has a full year to recover which is good.

A great signing today. Couldn't be happier. This is not your uncle's MU team. To see how far we've come athletically over the last 5 years is just incredible.


Agreed on the athleticism part. Where TC would recruit 5 or 6 high-major athletes (3 amegios plus a few others), Buzz is recruiting a roster full of players with tons of athletic ability.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 19, 2009, 04:06:34 PM
Pure speculation, but perhaps Coach Crean and/or Coach O'Neill helped us land him over UCLA--i.e. show interest and then back off and help steer. I gotta think that happens in "the fraternity."

I don't know what kind of class O'Neill has coming in in 2010, but to this point Reggie Smith would be the "crown jewel" of this year's class tor Crean (his 2 commits are rated about 150 and 250). Indiana was never seen as much of a factor with Smith, but my guess is if TC had any sway with him he was using it to try to get him to Bloomington.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on November 19, 2009, 04:11:22 PM
I've never seen Junior play, never seen Smith play - but I'll always put my money on pure athleticism.  Smith looks like his body and athleticism are Big East ready right now.  He looks like he will be very strong too.  I can see him giving Junior fits, just based on quicks and athleticism alone.  A guy with this kind of athletic ability doesn't need to be a great shooter as he can constantly get to the rack, and furthermore he can break down a defense easily and create draw and kick opportunities for other players - Blue, Jones, etc.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Pakuni on November 19, 2009, 04:13:28 PM
Sun-Times story:

http://yourseason.suntimes.com/1893601,111909-smith-commits.article


And, fwiw, I think a lot of people here are being a bit presumptuous when it comes to next year's starting backcourt.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MU B2002 on November 19, 2009, 04:14:54 PM
I can see him giving Junior fits, just based on quicks and athleticism alone. 


Well then I guess it's a good thing they play on the same team.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 04:27:54 PM
I've never seen Junior play, never seen Smith play - but I'll always put my money on pure athleticism.  

Trend Blackledge called, he said he would love to have you as a coach.

Maybe you should trust the reports from people that HAVE seen both play...
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: cheebs09 on November 19, 2009, 04:33:08 PM
I thought I've read that Junior was considered deceptively athletic. Much more athletic than you'd think. As far as Junior's weight, many have said he came to MU looking completely different and in shape. To say him just sitting around might make him go back to his weight before I think is unfair to him. By all accounts he put in a ton of work and did a great job of getting in shape.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: AZWarrior on November 19, 2009, 04:36:22 PM
And Junior was a concensus (sp?) top 40 guy, right?  Let's not lose sight of that.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: HoopsMalone on November 19, 2009, 04:38:17 PM
I like what I hear about Smith's potential from this article:

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=44236


My favorite think to hear is that he is a physical defender who can stay in front of guards.

You don't hear too much about defense when you hear about DJO, Byucks, or Junior.  I think a defensive guard is exactly what we need in games and to help develop Vander in practice next year.

If this kid is raw talent, he can play behind Byucks and DJO until they graduate and be a contributor in a few years or maybe start if Blue develops into an early draft pick.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 04:42:24 PM
I thought I've read that Junior was considered deceptively athletic. Much more athletic than you'd think. As far as Junior's weight, many have said he came to MU looking completely different and in shape. To say him just sitting around might make him go back to his weight before I think is unfair to him. By all accounts he put in a ton of work and did a great job of getting in shape.

I watched JR in the Reebok All American Game last april. Originally, there were 2 PGs on each team, he was on a team with Dexter Strickland (at UNC now). Strickland hurt his ankle in the 1st half...forcing JR to run the point for probably 34 of the 40 minutes. This was an up and down, high scoring (ended in the 120s) all star game, with some of the best players in the country...and JR held up fine, and was going hard until the end.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Jay Bee on November 19, 2009, 04:43:47 PM
"He (Reggie Smith) is also nursing an ankle injury and could miss some time for No. 6 Thornton.
 
“He injured his ankle about three weeks ago,” Jackson said. “He is still waiting for clearance from the doctor. He could be back to practice Monday but he could miss the first tournament of the year.”"

  Sounds like he'll fit in perfectly.  

Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Pakuni on November 19, 2009, 04:49:05 PM
And Junior was a concensus (sp?) top 40 guy, right?  Let's not lose sight of that.

#47 in RSCI.

But ... who cares?
They'll pracrice against one another every day next year. I'd like to think Buzz will decide minutes by what he sees then, not by what some recruiting guru had to say about them 12-24 months previously.
I have no idea who will play ahead of who, but if it's Smith, it wouldn't exactly be the first time a guy ranked lower by scouting services outperformed a player ranked higher.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: seakm4 on November 19, 2009, 05:01:54 PM
I think pinkston is going to Nova, and it's not fair to count DJO and Buycks out of a starting spot.  Buycks is the guy who Buzz talks the most highly about. I love 6 deep at the guard spot though.  I see we're in the running for Seantrell Henderson but he'll go to LSU or some Football school causes he's one of the top prospects in that sport.  And Going further who knows how many scholarships we'll have after this season, its still early but i get worried not seeing EWill getting any PT.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: AZWarrior on November 19, 2009, 05:18:03 PM
#47 in RSCI.

But ... who cares?
They'll pracrice against one another every day next year. I'd like to think Buzz will decide minutes by what he sees then, not by what some recruiting guru had to say about them 12-24 months previously.
I have no idea who will play ahead of who, but if it's Smith, it wouldn't exactly be the first time a guy ranked lower by scouting services outperformed a player ranked higher.

Agreed.  And going against each other in practice will make them better.  Having two quality point guards is ideal, you can rest one and not lose anything on the court, and they'll always be fresh.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: StillWarriors on November 19, 2009, 05:18:51 PM
I have no idea who will play ahead of who, but if it's Smith, it wouldn't exactly be the first time a guy ranked lower by scouting services outperformed a player ranked higher.

Wesley Matthews would probably have some insight on that premise.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: radome on November 19, 2009, 05:50:31 PM
In a couple of years it will be 3 guards, a 6'6" PF and hopefully a developed 6'9" +.  Much like last year.  I know we want more but last year was fun!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: HoopsMalone on November 19, 2009, 06:23:35 PM
In a couple of years it will be 3 guards, a 6'6" PF and hopefully a developed 6'9" +.  Much like last year.  I know we want more but last year was fun!

A developed 6'9"+ player would have been a HUGE difference last years.  Plus I think we will have a little bit morefire power off the bench

Maybe Cadougan, Blue, Jones, and Maymon can effectively replace DJ, Jerel, Wes, and Lazar though if that is what you are getting at. 
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on November 19, 2009, 07:06:04 PM
Trend Blackledge called, he said he would love to have you as a coach.

Maybe you should trust the reports from people that HAVE seen both play...

Trend Blackledge was a twig, Smith is built well, reminds me of Johnny Flynn.  Also to try to compare Blackeledge -  a complete afterthought on the recruiting radar - with a Top 100 kid, considered best player or one of Top 5 players in city of Chicago, who is said to be the most athletic the city has seen since Derrick Rose...I'll take my chances.  I've seen both of their YouTube videos, and while I hope Junior turns out to be great, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Smith have the better overall careery at MU.

Lastly, you come off pretty pompous and all-knowing, might want to re-evaluate your all-knowing attitude, because if Smith comes in and outperforms Cadougan over the course of their careers, myself and Stone Cold are going to own you.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 07:11:46 PM
Trend Blackledge was a twig, Smith is built well, reminds me of Johnny Flynn.  Also to try to compare Blackeledge -  a complete afterthought on the recruiting radar - with a Top 100 kid, considered best player or one of Top 5 players in city of Chicago, who is said to be the most athletic the city has seen since Derrick Rose...I'll take my chances.  I've seen both of their YouTube videos, and while I hope Junior turns out to be great, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Smith have the better overall careery at MU.

Lastly, you come off pretty pompous and all-knowing, might want to re-evaluate your all-knowing attitude, because if Smith comes in and outperforms Cadougan over the course of their careers, myself and Stone Cold are going to own you.


This is funny.


Are you really going to justify your argument by saying "ive seen both of their youtube videos..."?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: 🏀 on November 19, 2009, 07:24:31 PM

This is funny.


Are you really going to justify your argument by saying "ive seen both of their youtube videos..."?

YouTube isn't good enough for you?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on November 19, 2009, 07:32:37 PM

This is funny.


Are you really going to justify your argument by saying "ive seen both of their youtube videos..."?

Actually, my justification was stated in the fact that he is considered the best player in the City of Chicago, the most athletic the city has seen since Derrick Rose.  In my previous post I'd stated that players with this kind of athletic ability don't necessarily need to be great shooters, to be great point guards - they can create going to the rack, for themself or others by drawing and kicking.  D-Wade was/is so great because he could beat anyone off the dribble - this kid appears to have the same ability.  As I said, I hope Caudogan has a great career at MU..but to just dismiss Smith as the 5th guard as you did in earlier post seems premature.  Keep in mind this kid has his whole senior season to develop and next summer - and Junior will be coming off of an Achilles.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 07:35:30 PM
YouTube isn't good enough for you?

Compared to seeing a player play live, adn reading scouting reports from people that have seen him play several times...no, a youtube clip of a player dunking and hitting uncontested shots does nothing for me.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: 🏀 on November 19, 2009, 07:38:15 PM
Compared to seeing a player play live, adn reading scouting reports from people that have seen him play several times...no, a youtube clip of a player dunking and hitting uncontested shots does nothing for me.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 07:39:01 PM
Actually, my justification was stated in the fact that he is considered the best player in the City of Chicago, the most athletic the city has seen since Derrick Rose.  In my previous post I'd stated that players with this kind of athletic ability don't necessarily need to be great shooters, to be great point guards - they can create going to the rack, for themself or others by drawing and kicking.  D-Wade was/is so great because he could beat anyone off the dribble - this kid appears to have the same ability.  As I said, I hope Caudogan has a great career at MU..but to just dismiss Smith as the 5th guard as you did in earlier post seems premature.  Keep in mind this kid has his whole senior season to develop and next summer - and Junior will be coming off of an Achilles.

Please show me where/who said he is the best player in the city of Chicago.  



Listen...I am happy with this commitment, I thought the 2010 class was in need of another guard, and thats what Buzz got.  I thought he was the best option of the guards left.

I think he fills a need...but to expect him to come in and challenge for the starting PG duties, in front of Cadougan and Blue is just dumb.  He is a 5th guard, with great athleticisim and a good upside.  He still needs to develop his guard skills though

Not to mention...building the relationship with the Mac Irvin Fire will hopefully pay dividends down the road!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Daniel on November 19, 2009, 07:43:54 PM
I don't understand why it had been soooo hard for us to sign a legit PF or C? You'd think at this point, they would look at our roster and see that they would have a great chance of coming in as a freshman and starting.

We have a history of being a guard dominated team.,  Buzz is turning the corner on that perception in a sense by working very very hard at getting a big and knowing what we need to complete the puzzle.  But it is a tough task.

I agree - a quality big can look at this program now with what we will be loaded with next year and think, wow - maybe I should go to MU.  Hope we do land the big one!  I think we will.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Blackhat on November 19, 2009, 07:49:40 PM
Please show me where/who said he is the best player in the city of Chicago.  



Listen...I am happy with this commitment, I thought the 2010 class was in need of another guard, and thats what Buzz got.  I thought he was the best option of the guards left.

I think he fills a need...but to expect him to come in and challenge for the starting PG duties, in front of Cadougan and Blue is just dumb.  He is a 5th guard, with great athleticisim and a good upside.  He still needs to develop his guard skills though

He still has his whole senior year before he even gets here.  Stop making proclamations about his play level 365 days from now when you've never seen him play in person and are going off others reports.  You have no idea his current skill level or how far he's come in 2, 3 years and how well or not well he has progressed.   
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 07:54:16 PM
He still has his whole senior year before he even gets here.  Stop making proclamations about his play level 365 days from now when you've never seen him play in person and are going off others reports.  You have no idea his current skill level or how far he's come in 2, 3 years and how well or not well he has progressed.   

Im basing my thoughts on reports from several people who have seen him play several times...In addition, I have seen Junior play several times.

What do you have, that makes you think Smith will contend for the starting PG spot?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Blackhat on November 19, 2009, 07:58:59 PM
And for the record I'm not saying who will be starting, Smith or Cadougan.  I wish both the best but off the reports I've seen on Smith from people who've seen him play he sounds like a damn good player.   I'm not qualified to say who is better in 365 days..

But I'm damn sure 1104 doesn't know either unless he's seen cadougan and smith play extensively and can determine what their skill progress will be over the next year.

Also Cadougan's not going to be playing ball for many months so lets just hope the kid can regain his form and this injury doesn't stick with him for his career because it will end his career if so. 


 
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Rockmic87 on November 19, 2009, 08:01:45 PM
This just will prepare to avoid a situation like DJ or Diener, as we will have sooo much depth, another guy can just step right in!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on November 19, 2009, 08:12:52 PM
Please show me where/who said he is the best player in the city of Chicago.  



Listen...I am happy with this commitment, I thought the 2010 class was in need of another guard, and thats what Buzz got.  I thought he was the best option of the guards left.

I think he fills a need...but to expect him to come in and challenge for the starting PG duties, in front of Cadougan and Blue is just dumb.  He is a 5th guard, with great athleticisim and a good upside.  He still needs to develop his guard skills though

Not to mention...building the relationship with the Mac Irvin Fire will hopefully pay dividends down the road!

Ironically, it was the Mac Irvin Fire coach who said:  I'll tell you one thing about Reggie Smith," Irvin said. "When it's all said and done, he's going to make some money playing basketball. His athleticism is off the charts. He's the one who has continually got better every year."  see:  http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/story?id=4534038

Or from Marquette Hoops.com/Scout:  If it’s not too bold to say, Smith looks a lot like Dominic James with his athleticism and ability to drive. Like James, Smith can struggle with his outside shot at times but the talent and potential is there for him to improve on that part of his game.

Smith will play his senior year for Thornton High School in Harvey, IL. His AAU team, Mac Irvin Fire, was considered one of the best in Illinois last year with Smith and University of Illinois recruits Crandall Head and Jerome Richmond.

Looking to the 2010 back court, Smith is a great compliment to redshirted freshman Junior Cadougan. More of a pass first point guard, Cadougan will rotate with Smith at the point guard spot and create a great mismatch with the two different styles of play. The signing of Smith most likely moves 2010 recruit Vander Blue to shooting guard, although his versatility will also allow him to handle the ball.

Ranked 105th according to Rivals.com and the 35th best point guard according to Scout.com, Smith isn’t a top-tier recruit that pushes Marquette’s recruiting class into the top five for 2010. However, another top 100 recruit that has the potential to blossom as he molds into a point guard is exactly what Williams was looking for to fill one of the two roster spots for next year. As usual, Williams and the Marquette staff semi-flew under the radar with the recruiting of Smith as many expected he was leaning towards USC.

See:  http://marquette.scout.com/2/921450.html

As far as him being the best player in the city of Chicago - when you are the best player, on the #1 ranked team, in the largest Division of Illinois High School Basketball, consensus pre-season 1st Team All-State - that speaks pretty highly of the kid.  Furthermore, his recruitment had really intensified recently with USC, UCLA offering..pretty good company.

We can agree to disagree as to who will be the better player - both Junior and Smith bode well for Marquette.  That said, I'm going to let you have it a couple years down the road should Smith turn out to be much better...only because you were so definite about this kid being the #5 guard and telling me/Stone Cold that I should take it from someone who's seen both Junior and Smith play.  You'll notice in my original post I stated I hadn't seen either play - being humble and honest - and you ridiculed me making the YouTube comment.  All I can say is that if Smith becomes the better player, be ready for a Big Slice of humble pie - because I will have projected off of what I've read and what I've seen on YouTube..which of course according to you is so ridiculous.




Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Bob "Big Daddy" Wild on November 19, 2009, 08:17:52 PM
Trend Blackledge was a twig, Smith is built well, reminds me of Johnny Flynn.  Also to try to compare Blackeledge -  a complete afterthought on the recruiting radar - with a Top 100 kid, considered best player or one of Top 5 players in city of Chicago, who is said to be the most athletic the city has seen since Derrick Rose...I'll take my chances. 

Ners, you might want to do some fact checking.  Reggie Smith is not in the top 100 for Scout, ESPN, or Rivals.  Second, he is not the best player in Illinois, Jereme Richmond is, hands down (RSCI #18).  Meyers Leonard and Crandall Head are #s 2 and 3 also, FYI.  Anthony Johnson is also ranked ahead of Reggie Smith on Rivals.

Johnny Flynn was a 5 star recruit, and Reggie has a lot of polish left to get to JF's level.  That being said, Reggie's athleticism will be a benefit, I love good defenders, and if he develops his skills it sounds like he can be a pretty devastating PG.  My expectations are somewhat tempered because developing PG skills to a high level is not an easy thing to do.  I think having polish is most important at the PG position so the offense runs smoothly and you don' t turn the ball over.

Also, can you post a Derek rose comparison link?  The only comparison I have seen between the two is mentioning that he is very soft spoken and introverted like Rose is/was.

Overall, I am looking forward to Reggie joining the team, hope he develops into a full time PG (in Buzz's words).  Welcome to MU Reggie.

With all the above being said, there is a 25% that I screwed up at least one of the facts in the above posting and bma will come on and correct me  :)
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: bma725 on November 19, 2009, 08:21:19 PM
The only way Smith starts ahead of Junior is if Junior gets hurt again or for some reason leaves Marquette.  Smith is a freak athlete, but does not have real point guard skills yet despite what the articles are saying to the contrary, and those are not the kind of thing you can develop in a year or two.  Point guards are born, not made. 

And yes, I have seen both of them play in person.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Avenue Commons on November 19, 2009, 08:22:55 PM
Here's another link from ESPN Chicago.

"Smith said his top three choices are Marquette, UCLA and USC, with USC slightly in the lead. He will attend USC's Midnight Madness later this month."

Not bad company!

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/teams/preps/story?id=4534038

No doubt the Milwaukee winters swayed his decision.

Seriously, I'm sure playing close to home and in the Big East were big factors. His family can come to all his home games.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 08:23:44 PM
Im SHOCKED that his AAU coach (a charachter in his own right) would talk his player up like that!

NERS...Way to pick and chose things from an article, to prove your point...but whatever.

He was likely a 3rd option as a recruit for UCLA.

Listen...he has great athleticisim, but has to refine his game to become a PG at this level.

Again, I may sound like an ass...But Im just trying to temper expectations a little bit. Be realistic.  I do like the commit, I'm just not going to go overboard.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on November 19, 2009, 08:31:50 PM
For as much as this was (over-)discusssed in the past, I am surprised there hasn't been more Kudos to Buzz for getting a solid Chicago prospect!!!

Welcome Reggie.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on November 19, 2009, 08:54:47 PM
Ners, you might want to do some fact checking.  Reggie Smith is not in the top 100 for Scout, ESPN, or Rivals.  Second, he is not the best player in Illinois, Jereme Richmond is, hands down (RSCI #18).  Meyers Leonard and Crandall Head are #s 2 and 3 also, FYI.  Anthony Johnson is also ranked ahead of Reggie Smith on Rivals.

Johnny Flynn was a 5 star recruit, and Reggie has a lot of polish left to get to JF's level.  That being said, Reggie's athleticism will be a benefit, I love good defenders, and if he develops his skills it sounds like he can be a pretty devastating PG.  My expectations are somewhat tempered because developing PG skills to a high level is not an easy thing to do.  I think having polish is most important at the PG position so the offense runs smoothly and you don' t turn the ball over.

Also, can you post a Derek rose comparison link?  The only comparison I have seen between the two is mentioning that he is very soft spoken and introverted like Rose is/was.

Overall, I am looking forward to Reggie joining the team, hope he develops into a full time PG (in Buzz's words).  Welcome to MU Reggie.

With all the above being said, there is a 25% that I screwed up at least one of the facts in the above posting and bma will come on and correct me  :)

Point well taken..but he was ranked 105..not quite Top 100 I guess..and there is a lot of variance/subjectivity in rankings.  That said the Top 2 players you mentioned:  Meyers Leonard and Crandall Head are #s 2 and 3 also..were teammates of Smith on their AAU team..and their AAU coach said that Smith will make money playing ball one day, and has developed and continued to get better and better out of all of his guys.

Go MU1104 - Fair enough..all good..we are all Marquette fans..and want the best for the program.  I've lurked on this board for awhile and BMA seems to have the most credibility and if he says Cadougan will be the point..I'll take his word on that...but I still remain very positive that my intuition will be correct that Smith will end up being the better player.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GOMU1104 on November 19, 2009, 09:01:26 PM
Also...as I said before...I like this commit, as it relates to the furthering the relationship with the Mac Irving Fire AAU team.

J-May's friendship with Blue played a part. Hopefully Smith and Wayne Blackshear have that type of friendship, as well!
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Bob "Big Daddy" Wild on November 19, 2009, 09:19:20 PM
GOMU, I wouldn't put too much stock in Reggie being a friend with Blackshear.  My Illini friends talk about how Tracy Abrams, Crandall Head, and Jereme Richmond have been working on Blackshear and Shaw for a long time...and I think most people believe there is little chance that Blackshear heads to the 'nois.

Now if we sign Shaw first...then I would start to get excited about Wayne.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: bma725 on November 19, 2009, 09:23:24 PM
but I still remain very positive that my intuition will be correct that Smith will end up being the better player.

In the long run, he may, he has the athletic tools to be very very good.  But there's a difference between being the better overall player and being the best option at point guard. 

Point guard is about mindset more than anything else, and its tough to instill that mindset in someone once they get to college.  You can't teach court awareness.  You can't teach court vision.  You can't teach timing.  You can't teach attitude.  Those are all things kids pick up as they grow up playing the game at that position. 

There's a reason Junior Cadougan has been considered one of the top point guards in this class since he was an 8th grader.  There's a reason coaches historically known for having great point guards have been trying to get him to commit since he was 14.  There's a reason he was playing on the Canadian 17 and under team as a 14 year old.  He just has those things.  He may not have the athletic ability of Smith, or the speed of Blue, but he has the innate point guard abilities that very few people do. 
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: GGGG on November 19, 2009, 09:30:25 PM
In the long run, he may, he has the athletic tools to be very very good.  But there's a difference between being the better overall player and being the best option at point guard. 

Point guard is about mindset more than anything else, and its tough to instill that mindset in someone once they get to college.  You can't teach court awareness.  You can't teach court vision.  You can't teach timing.  You can't teach attitude.  Those are all things kids pick up as they grow up playing the game at that position. 

There's a reason Junior Cadougan has been considered one of the top point guards in this class since he was an 8th grader.  There's a reason coaches historically known for having great point guards have been trying to get him to commit since he was 14.  There's a reason he was playing on the Canadian 17 and under team as a 14 year old.  He just has those things.  He may not have the athletic ability of Smith, or the speed of Blue, but he has the innate point guard abilities that very few people do. 


So is the Levance Fields a good comparison?  Not quite the athlete, but has all of the intangibles to play the position?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MuMark on November 19, 2009, 09:31:39 PM
Chris Grimm and Mike Kinsella are "making money playing" so I'm not sure I would put a whole lot of stock in that comment coming from an AAU coach.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: 77ncaachamps on November 19, 2009, 09:59:46 PM
Welcome to the Marquette family, Reggie!

Another Chi-town son heads north to add to the Chitown guard prestige: McNeal, Wade, Rivers...
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: BM1090 on November 19, 2009, 11:40:15 PM
1. For people arguing about Blue and Cadougan being ahead of Smith at PG, I disagree. In my opinion, with this signing Blue will not play PG at all next year. Buzz has stated he wants to get him some time at the 3. So, when we go "big" it will be smith/jr pg and blue sg. When we go small, it will be 1 jr, 2 smith, 3 blue. This is not next year as we will still have Buycks and DJO obviously. Just my two cents, smith was recruited to be more of a combo guard than a straight point guard.

2. Smith is just outside the top 100, but from what I have read it seems like he has a great chance to shoot up to top 100 by spring. He keeps improving, and has grown 2 inches since last year. Hopefully he can put two more on and end up at 6'3. I can dream, right?

Just fyi I have no inside information, just my opinion
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: kmwtrucks on November 20, 2009, 08:01:58 AM
MUeagle90

Where do you see that he has grown 2 inch's in the last year?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: chapman on November 20, 2009, 08:02:52 AM
1. For people arguing about Blue and Cadougan being ahead of Smith at PG, I disagree. In my opinion, with this signing Blue will not play PG at all next year. Buzz has stated he wants to get him some time at the 3. So, when we go "big" it will be smith/jr pg and blue sg. When we go small, it will be 1 jr, 2 smith, 3 blue. This is not next year as we will still have Buycks and DJO obviously. Just my two cents, smith was recruited to be more of a combo guard than a straight point guard.

2. Smith is just outside the top 100, but from what I have read it seems like he has a great chance to shoot up to top 100 by spring. He keeps improving, and has grown 2 inches since last year. Hopefully he can put two more on and end up at 6'3. I can dream, right?

Just fyi I have no inside information, just my opinion

Buzz sounded very high on Blue's point guard abilities in the initial press conference.  I think he will see a lot of minutes there.  The good thing about Smith is that he's not the same player as Cadougan, his athleticism will come in handy at different times, and he appears to have enough talent to get himself on the floor even with all the other guards.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Pakuni on November 20, 2009, 09:16:33 AM
Buzz sounded very high on Blue's point guard abilities in the initial press conference.  I think he will see a lot of minutes there.  The good thing about Smith is that he's not the same player as Cadougan, his athleticism will come in handy at different times, and he appears to have enough talent to get himself on the floor even with all the other guards.
With Junior and now Smith, I dount Blue sees much time at all at the point. One would think he's likely the third option among those three.

Anyhow ... Chicago Tribune story on Smith's commitment:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/chi-20-prep-hoops-boys-smith-marquetnov20,0,6305593.story
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: dw3dw3dw3 on November 20, 2009, 09:27:44 AM
It sounds like in this article that the offer didn't come until Wednesday.... I wonder if Buzz was holding out for something else to shake out.

"Jackson said USC, Southern Illinois and Butler were "hot on his trail," but he had been waiting for Marquette to offer."


Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: shiloh26 on November 20, 2009, 09:55:50 AM

So is the Levance Fields a good comparison?  Not quite the athlete, but has all of the intangibles to play the position?

I've heard of him being compared to Levance Fields, which would be fantastic.  I understand people are excited about Smith's athleticism and the comparisons to DJ, but remember that DJ was more of a PG when he came out of high school.  Smith is still a more natural 2 who began transitioning to the 1.  We have so much scoring guard talent, there is no way Smith starts at PG next year if JC is the kind of polished PG that he's made up to be.  Depending on how the talent shakes out this year, we may have so many scoring threats next season that a distributor is what the team will need, not another athletic scorer.  Smith could be a terrific energy guy off the bench, and hopefully a good on the ball defender that can matchup against another scoring guard, but if JC is ready to go, he is going to be the better fit.

That said, we now have some fantastic depth at guard and at the wing, assuming everyone stays put.   

On a side note, how much fun will the MM dunk contest be next year?  Smith, DJO, Blue... E-Will can get up...
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: wyoMUfan on November 20, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
This just will prepare to avoid a situation like DJ or Diener, as we will have sooo much depth, another guy can just step right in!

thank you, this is what this signing is all about. Last year was ruined by one injury. Buzz is preventing that from happening.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: BM1090 on November 20, 2009, 12:21:48 PM
MUeagle90

Where do you see that he has grown 2 inch's in the last year?

No particular article has stated it. But every article from his junior year listed him at 5'10-5'11. Now every article this year has listed him as 6'0-6'1. I can only conclude that he grew a couple inches.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on November 20, 2009, 01:50:49 PM
Remember before the NBA draft - people questioned if Wade was a 1 or a 2..and how the might hurt his draft stock?  Well, we've all seen how that turned out - when you are freakishly athletic, labels don't matter too much. 

I see the same type of possibility with Smith - Based on Buzz's comments when asked by Todd Rosiak, it seems Buzz sees Smith as a "basketball player," not a 1 or 2 per se.

Rosiak -   Is he a 1 or a 2?   Buzz - "I don't know what Dominic James was when he came here, and I'm not comparing Dominic to Reggie, but I don't know that Reggie has a position, to be honest with you. He can play the point, he has played the 2. Is he full-time at either today? I would say no. What will he be when he gets here? When he gets here he'll be an athletic, fast, tough, change-of-pace, guard-'em, great guy on the ball defensively, and have to get better offensively to determine what he's going to be. But we can use a 'rover' in a lot of ways."

Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Freeport Warrior on November 20, 2009, 02:08:53 PM
Never know what can happen with coaching changes, transfers, etc. Not saying it will happen, but what if Ernie gets the ax at Oregon, and Jamil Wilson wants to transfer? I'd definitely want that scholarship available. Again, just a hypothetical, but it's a good thing to have a scholly open in the Spring, just in case.
At least Oregon's freshman-Wil is getting on the court (17 points, 20 rebounds in 3 games). He must be practicing hard.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: RawdogDX on November 20, 2009, 02:09:49 PM
Welcome to the Marquette family, Reggie!

Another Chi-town son heads north to add to the Chitown guard prestige: McNeal, Wade, Rivers...

don't forget Cordel Henry.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: VwArrior1 on November 20, 2009, 06:15:03 PM
Im just glad we can now have this argument.  Shows we are getting more competitive players even as backups and will only make Smith and Cadougan better.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: 77ncaachamps on November 20, 2009, 06:39:42 PM
don't forget Cordel Henry.

I sit corrected. Cordell was and will always be a WARRIOR.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on November 20, 2009, 08:46:55 PM
It sounds like in this article that the offer didn't come until Wednesday.... I wonder if Buzz was holding out for something else to shake out.

"Jackson said USC, Southern Illinois and Butler were "hot on his trail," but he had been waiting for Marquette to offer."





that is how i understand... it one article stated MU coaches had a long closed door meeting on which of three guards they were going to offer and made the decison on Wed. to offer it to Smith.  Would be interesting to know who the other 2 were.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MUrugger on November 20, 2009, 11:32:47 PM
Chicago son and WARRIOR great Lloyd Walton never gets his props on this board either..."Lloyd Walton was given the role of floor leader and he took it on with all the brilliance of Patton. The shy kid from Kimberly Junior College came on like a gangbusters and assumed the role of team leader, traffic cop and father confessor. Lloyd averaged 15 points a game and dished out 159 assists."--from the MU basketball Wiki page about the '74-75 season.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MUrugger on November 20, 2009, 11:47:27 PM
I meant to add that the next year, his senior season ('75-76) he was again the point guard on a team that made the Elite Eight and finished the season ranked #2 to National Champ Indiana (the team that ended MU's season in the NCAAs.)  Of course we all know what happened the next year.

Walton went on to play for five years in the NBA.

Not too many MU guards, from Chicago or anywhere could boast of that kind of career.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 27, 2010, 06:48:27 PM
Just a bump from the thread when Reggie signed with MU back in 2009.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: MarquetteDano on December 27, 2010, 07:01:00 PM
Just a bump from the thread when Reggie signed with MU back in 2009.

Interesting read.  BMA spot on in his analysis of Smith.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: 🏀 on December 27, 2010, 07:02:47 PM
Interesting read.  BMA spot on in his analysis of Smith.

The man is talented.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on December 27, 2010, 11:18:14 PM
Just a bump from the thread when Reggie signed with MU back in 2009.

I find it slightly ironic that I bumped a thread earlier in the day, that SoCalwarrior, decided to moderate and lock -which was basically a thread that called out "Groove" and his trolling ways - and now as a moderator you choose to bump this thread...which just so happens to start at the top of Page 5 with BMA pretty much forecasting the future, and in so doing somewhat making me look stupid for my posts on the Smith signing.  However, I could go re-quote BMA from Page 4 where he stated there was NO way Smith starts over Cadougan - which, we are all aware, did in fact happen - but my point here isn't about being "right," wrong, or stupid.  Rather just felt it ironic and that it merited mention that another moderator here locked a thread that I bumped today...and you chose to bump this one.  That said this is your board, and you are entitled to lock, censor, delete, allow whatever content you like.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on December 27, 2010, 11:24:58 PM
Who's that Mr. Hayward poster?
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: martyconlonontherun on December 27, 2010, 11:29:42 PM
I find it slightly ironic that I bumped a thread earlier in the day, that SoCalwarrior, decided to moderate and lock -which was basically a thread that called out "Groove" and his trolling ways - and now as a moderator you choose to bump this thread...which just so happens to start at the top of Page 5 with BMA pretty much forecasting the future, and in so doing somewhat making me look stupid for my posts on the Smith signing.  However, I could go re-quote BMA from Page 4 where he stated there was NO way Smith starts over Cadougan - which, we are all aware, did in fact happen - but my point here isn't about being "right," wrong, or stupid.  Rather just felt it ironic and that it merited mention that another moderator here locked a thread that I bumped today...and you chose to bump this one.  That said this is your board, and you are entitled to lock, censor, delete, allow whatever content you like.
He locked it cause the thread was confusing. It didn't have a dated title so it was confusing once people read the post. This tit;e clearly shows it is dated and this is an actually relevant thread to what we are discussing today. Not some random past post that makes you feel you are superior to other posters. Not everyone here has agendas or that there is a huge conspiracy to make certain posters seem right.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: foreverwarriors on December 28, 2010, 03:35:21 AM
I find it slightly ironic that I bumped a thread earlier in the day, that SoCalwarrior, decided to moderate and lock -which was basically a thread that called out "Groove" and his trolling ways - and now as a moderator you choose to bump this thread...which just so happens to start at the top of Page 5 with BMA pretty much forecasting the future, and in so doing somewhat making me look stupid for my posts on the Smith signing.  However, I could go re-quote BMA from Page 4 where he stated there was NO way Smith starts over Cadougan - which, we are all aware, did in fact happen - but my point here isn't about being "right," wrong, or stupid.  Rather just felt it ironic and that it merited mention that another moderator here locked a thread that I bumped today...and you chose to bump this one.  That said this is your board, and you are entitled to lock, censor, delete, allow whatever content you like.

Good God...you sound like a bitter ex girlfriend...

your thread was locked...get over it...this thread has 1000x more to do with what is going on with mu bball than grooves awful predictions from when Buzz was hired.

I normally respect the majority of what you say Ners...this doesn't fall in the majority
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: spiral97 on December 28, 2010, 08:18:44 AM
I find it slightly ironic that I bumped a thread earlier in the day, that SoCalwarrior, decided to moderate and lock -which was basically a thread that called out "Groove" and his trolling ways - and now as a moderator you choose to bump this thread...which just so happens to start at the top of Page 5 with BMA pretty much forecasting the future, and in so doing somewhat making me look stupid for my posts on the Smith signing.  However, I could go re-quote BMA from Page 4 where he stated there was NO way Smith starts over Cadougan - which, we are all aware, did in fact happen - but my point here isn't about being "right," wrong, or stupid.  Rather just felt it ironic and that it merited mention that another moderator here locked a thread that I bumped today...and you chose to bump this one.  That said this is your board, and you are entitled to lock, censor, delete, allow whatever content you like.

Why thank you Ners, I think we might.  Great to have permission from you first, that makes it all better.  Just a note though, this board isn't about continuously trying to one-up, disprove, call-out, or discredit other posters but rather simply for discussion of Marquette basketball.  Consider this and the intent of the two thread-bumpings and hopefully you'll see the difference.  This repetitive scoffing is, quite frankly, trash that most would prefer to not read - us mods included.  An appeal to every user: if that's your agenda, save us the trouble and just refrain from posting.  If you can't, we'll be not-so-glad to help.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 28, 2010, 08:30:01 AM
Why thank you Ners, I think we might.  Great to have permission from you first, that makes it all better.  Just a note though, this board isn't about continuously trying to one-up, disprove, call-out, or discredit other posters but rather simply for discussion of Marquette basketball.  Consider this and the intent of the two thread-bumpings and hopefully you'll see the difference.  This repetitive scoffing is, quite frankly, trash that most would prefer to not read - us mods included.  An appeal to every user: if that's your agenda, save us the trouble and just refrain from posting.  If you can't, we'll be not-so-glad to help.

Thanks for this.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: mu_hilltopper on December 28, 2010, 08:58:06 AM
I find it slightly ironic that I bumped a thread earlier in the day, that SoCalwarrior, decided to moderate and lock -which was basically a thread that called out "Groove" and his trolling ways - and now as a moderator you choose to bump this thread...which just so happens to start at the top of Page 5 with BMA pretty much forecasting the future, and in so doing somewhat making me look stupid for my posts on the Smith signing.  However, I could go re-quote BMA from Page 4 where he stated there was NO way Smith starts over Cadougan - which, we are all aware, did in fact happen - but my point here isn't about being "right," wrong, or stupid.  Rather just felt it ironic and that it merited mention that another moderator here locked a thread that I bumped today...and you chose to bump this one.  That said this is your board, and you are entitled to lock, censor, delete, allow whatever content you like.

Well, and that's what you get when you have 4 moderators .. We have 3 choices, depending on how much energy we have.  Lock, edit, or delete entirely.   SoCal decided to lock, and we generally get behind the decisions that get made, so I'll cosign.  Given more energy, he might have done some editing instead, to guide the thread to a more fruitful debate.

In any event .. Spiral hit it on the head.

I wanted to see what the reaction to the Smith signing was a year ago .. so went looking (Scoop's search sucks, we know.)  When I found it, I figured others may also be interested in what the initial reaction was.  I skimmed it .. the reason for bumping had zero to do with discrediting anyone.
Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on December 28, 2010, 09:02:57 AM
Why thank you Ners, I think we might.  Great to have permission from you first, that makes it all better.  Just a note though, this board isn't about continuously trying to one-up, disprove, call-out, or discredit other posters but rather simply for discussion of Marquette basketball.  Consider this and the intent of the two thread-bumpings and hopefully you'll see the difference.  This repetitive scoffing is, quite frankly, trash that most would prefer to not read - us mods included.  An appeal to every user: if that's your agenda, save us the trouble and just refrain from posting.  If you can't, we'll be not-so-glad to help.

Fair enough.  However, the thread I bumped pertained to "Groove" who has an entire post history of negativity toward MU basketball/Buzz Williams.  His repetitive scoffing about Buzz/MU Basketball, quite frankly, on a message board for a discussion of Marquette basketball - is largely trash most would prefer not to read.  However, if trolls are just as welcomed here as are fanboys like me - so be it - and I'll refrain in the future from calling out the haters/trolls.

Title: Re: Reggie Smith signs with MU
Post by: NersEllenson on December 28, 2010, 09:04:39 AM
Well, and that's what you get when you have 4 moderators .. We have 3 choices, depending on how much energy we have.  Lock, edit, or delete entirely.   SoCal decided to lock, and we generally get behind the decisions that get made, so I'll cosign.  Given more energy, he might have done some editing instead, to guide the thread to a more fruitful debate.

In any event .. Spiral hit it on the head.

I wanted to see what the reaction to the Smith signing was a year ago .. so went looking (Scoop's search sucks, we know.)  When I found it, I figured others may also be interested in what the initial reaction was.  I skimmed it .. the reason for bumping had zero to do with discrediting anyone.

My bad Hilltopper...

and I'll just have to say that foreverwarriors was right:

Good God...you sound like a bitter ex girlfriend...

your thread was locked...get over it...this thread has 1000x more to do with what is going on with mu bball than grooves awful predictions from when Buzz was hired.

I normally respect the majority of what you say Ners...this doesn't fall in the majority