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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: muguru on August 16, 2009, 10:57:00 AM
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Jamail Jones committed to MU this morning.
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Wow. Looks like a good get. Looks like a player who fits in those 2-4 rolls that Buzz likes.
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4 star on Rivals and #64 overall.
Offers from:
Alabama
Auburn
BC
Cincinnati
Clemson
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Ole Miss
Miss St.
South Carolina
Virginia
Xavier
Hawaii
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Wow indeed. Looks like a great player with an even better work ethic and attitude from what ESPN/Scouts says:
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=70000&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d70000
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Yeah ESPN has him rated at 94. Just for comparison's sake, they didn't rate DJO, Buycks was a 94, and then the next best from this year's class was Cadougan at 92.
Just looking through the rest of rival's top 150 we are on these player's lists (maybe it will change since I believe this is our last scholarship?):
13. Corey Joseph - 5 star PG
15. Terrance Jones - 5 star PF
18. Joe Jackson - 5 star PG
19. Daron Lamb - 5 star SG
27. Tobias Harris - 4 star PF
31. Vander Blue - 4 star SG (from what I hear we're pretty much out of it though)
35. Keala King - 4 star SG
42. Justin Coleman - 4 star SF
50. Dwight Powell - 4 star PF
60. James Johnson - 4 star PF
66. Rickey Scott - 4 star SG
74. Trae Golden - 4 star SG
87. Rod Odom - 4 star SF
(91. Aaron Bowen - 4 star SF)
94. Andre Stringler - 4 star PG
109. Devon Collier - 3 star PF
115. Lavonte Dority - 3 star PG
116. Shane Southwell - 3 star SF
117. Reggie Smith - 3 star PG (only lists 4 other schools)
141. Flavian Davis - 3 star SF
Interesting to see how many players list MU, even if they aren't seriously considering coming here. All of these players had pretty long lists. It was also interesting to see that MU and Xavier seemed to be on more lists than any other teams not named UNC (just based on a quick glance over the lists).
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Yeah ESPN has him rated at 94. Just for comparison's sake, they didn't rate DJO, Buycks was a 94, and then the next best from this year's class was Cadougan at 92.
Just looking through the rest of rival's top 150 we are on these player's lists (maybe it will change since I believe this is our last scholarship?):
13. Corey Joseph - 5 star PG
15. Terrance Jones - 5 star PF
18. Joe Jackson - 5 star PG
19. Daron Lamb - 5 star SG
27. Tobias Harris - 4 star PF
31. Vander Blue - 4 star SG (from what I hear we're pretty much out of it though)
35. Keala King - 4 star SG
42. Justin Coleman - 4 star SF
50. Dwight Powell - 4 star PF
60. James Johnson - 4 star PF
66. Rickey Scott - 4 star SG
74. Trae Golden - 4 star SG
87. Rod Odom - 4 star SF
(91. Aaron Bowen - 4 star SF)
94. Andre Stringler - 4 star PG
109. Devon Collier - 3 star PF
115. Lavonte Dority - 3 star PG
116. Shane Southwell - 3 star SF
117. Reggie Smith - 3 star PG (only lists 4 other schools)
141. Flavian Davis - 3 star SF
Interesting to see how many players list MU, even if they aren't seriously considering coming here. All of these players had pretty long lists. It was also interesting to see that MU and Xavier seemed to be on more lists than any other teams not named UNC (just based on a quick glance over the lists).
Dont take too much stock in those "lists"...they arent real accurate. We havent been mentioned with many of those players, for a very long time.
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A great get. Another freakishly athletic wing. One that apparenly can defend 4 positions. Rock on. Better a 1-guard, 4-forward set than a 4-guard, one-forward set. I predict we oversign by at least one. Looking at the roster, the only think really missing is 6'9", 240 lb. Chism/mauler type. I also see lots of pressure defense in the future.
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Dont take too much stock in those "lists"...they arent real accurate. We havent been mentioned with many of those players, for a very long time.
That's what I kind of figured but it is still nice to see our names on the list and to see us get more than 1 of these guys every 3 years. Does anyone know if they update players individually or do they go through all the players at 1 time and update them? I remember they updated all the rankings at 1 time (Bowen went from a 2 star to a 4 star, Blue rose to #31 recruit in the nation), and then they updated Blue from having committed to UW fairly recently.
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I was worried we were going to read about another "under the radar" player, but this certainly isn't the case. Looks like another great get. A class of Jamail Jones, Aaron Bowen, and Monterale Clark is very respectable, and Buzz probably isn't finished yet and will go over by one. Taking it for what it is, we're going to lose Hayward and Cubillan after this season, with Jones and Bowen being their "replacements", and adding Clark to the front line with all of the young guys gaining a year of experience. A solid plan.
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Nice work Buzz & staff! Sounds like a great get.
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I predict we oversign by at least one. Looking at the roster, the only think really missing is 6'9", 240 lb. Chism/mauler type. I also see lots of pressure defense in the future.
I agree, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Fulce goes on a medical scholarship like Liam McMorrow did if he has any additional issues with his knee.
Also with the huge class that we have this year, it wouldn't surprise me to see a transfer or two next year either.
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MU snares 2010-'11 commit
Jamail Jones, a 6-foot-6 1/2-inch, 205-pound forward from Stone Mountain, Ga., has orally committed to join MU's 2010-'11 recruiting class.
Jones is the third player to commit to that class, joining guard Aaron Bowen and forward Monterale Clark. He had narrowed his list of college choices down to MU, Oklahoma, Xavier and Mississippi State before giving the nod to the Golden Eagles in a phone call to assistant coach Aki Collins earlier today.
"He was excited," said Jones of Collins' reaction.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/53354147.html
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I was worried we were going to read about another "under the radar" player, but this certainly isn't the case. Looks like another great get. A class of Jamail Jones, Aaron Bowen, and Monterale Clark is very respectable, and Buzz probably isn't finished yet and will go over by one. Taking it for what it is, we're going to lose Hayward and Cubillan after this season, with Jones and Bowen being their "replacements", and adding Clark to the front line with all of the young guys gaining a year of experience. A solid plan.
I've now seen a couple of comments in this thread that suggest that Buzz isn't done, and that he's going to oversign by one. Its interesting that a few weeks back I said that we have to get over our squeamishness about oversigning, and the reaction was extremely negative. Here's an example:
All he is trying to do here again is to make some fiction up that Buzz over recruited like Tom Crean. Buzz did so because he knew he had to. Crean did it and dealt with it later. I agree with MU 84 many schools do it, but it doesn't make it right.
It will be interesting to see if Silky has the same reaction to SCDem, Tower912 and Chapman, who have all said they think we'll see another signing.
For the record, I have no problem with over-signing--it is exactly what successful teams have to do in order to stay successful.
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Welcome to MU, Jamail! ;D
"Academically Jones is in great shape, with right around a 3.0 GPA and a 1350 on the SAT." Good news, too!
Time to update the scholly table! http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
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2010 class is shaping up. I would like to see a PG in the mix but I like the talent.
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good news on this, interested to see who the last guy Buzz gets is
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Btw on Facebook he changed his name to:
"Jamail MarquetteBound Jones"
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Nice get but couldn't he just go down to the corner big man store and get a 5 star big man?
;)
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Nice get but couldn't he just go down to the corner big man store and get a 5 star big man?
Now doesn't seem an appropriate time for buts. But that's your choice.
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Nice addition to the team. Thought a PG would be the logical signing, but maybe the staff has seen enough of Bucyk's play that he can man the PG position at times.
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Nice get but couldn't he just go down to the corner big man store and get a 5 star big man?
Now doesn't seem an appropriate time for buts. But that's your choice.
I think we need to tell new posters that teal is sarcasm.
Real excited to see Jones in Blue and Gold
eidt: fixed quote
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I think we need to tell new posters that teal is sarcasm.
Real excited to see Jones in Blue and Gold
Having had a Jesuit education, I am perfectly capable of identifying sarcasm with and without color codes.
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It's encouraging that Buzz is following up his top 20 "anchor" class of 2009 with at least 2 top 100 players in 2010. As Murph has pointed out on multple occasions, even our more successful coaches in the past 30 years have been unable to accomplish this. Kudos to Buzz.
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Having had a Jesuit education, I am perfectly capable of identifying sarcasm with and without color codes.
Not to mention posters who might be color blind... ;)
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So who was wondering about MU's recruiting going stale?
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So who was wondering about MU's recruiting going stale?
I was waiting for that.... Well said! ;D
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Nice get but couldn't he just go down to the corner big man store and get a 5 star big man?
Now doesn't seem an appropriate time for buts. But that's your choice.
I'm happy with the get Da Coach. I just find it funny how often on this message board people screamed bloody stools that we can't get a highly rated center or big man. As many of us pointed out, those are the absolute toughest guys to get but some made it out like you just picked them off the shelf like a gallon of milk.
But make no mistake about it, I'm always happy to land good players and even MORE happy to land good players that are academically eligible and have no issues. Again, nice get (as I stated) on Buzz's part.
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For the recruiting gurus on here:
Any implications for Trae Golden (Jamail's AAU teammate, no?), Flavian Davis, and others?
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For the recruiting gurus on here:
Any implications for Trae Golden (Jamail's AAU teammate, no?), Flavian Davis, and others?
I think an even bigger finish may now realistically be in play with Jelan Kendrick. Also an AAU teammate of Jamail. And just happens to be the #13th overall player on the Scout top 100 (combo SF/PG). Golden would be a nice get too; would be a great offensive complement in the backcourt.
I'm mixed overall on the idea of oversigning, but I would definitely consider it for a guy like Kendrick.
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Chico, I think that has been addressed by the fact that next year we will theoretically have Otule, Mbao, Roseboro, and Clark. Nobody knows if any are going to be great, but at least they are tall. Plus, a point guard and 4 6'6" guys on the floor beats 4 guards and one 6'6" guy. Although the amigos were great, I think it can be generally agreed upon that the lack of a competent big was a significant contributing factor to our lack of post-season success.
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For the recruiting gurus on here:
Any implications for Trae Golden (Jamail's AAU teammate, no?), Flavian Davis, and others?
Flavian Davis...I dont think we have been involved with him for a very long time.
I think Golden could be an option.
My top 3 (I know it means SO MUCH :) ) are:
Jelan Kendrick - Jones' AAU teammate
Rickey Scott - PG/SG from Texas
Maurice Walker - Talented big man from Canada
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Flavian Davis...I dont think we have been involved with him for a very long time.
Davis isn't a high level D1 prospect.
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It's encouraging that Buzz is following up his top 20 "anchor" class of 2009 with at least 2 top 100 players in 2010. As Murph has pointed out on multple occasions, even our more successful coaches in the past 30 years have been unable to accomplish this. Kudos to Buzz.
I wonder if Buzz's offensive philosophy lends itself to wanting to play with a deep rotation, which allows him to walk into any living room and say that if a kid's willing to work hard, there will always be minutes available.
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Yeah ESPN has him rated at 94. Just for comparison's sake, they didn't rate DJO, Buycks was a 94, and then the next best from this year's class was Cadougan at 92.
Just looking through the rest of rival's top 150 we are on these player's lists (maybe it will change since I believe this is our last scholarship?):
13. Corey Joseph - 5 star PG
15. Terrance Jones - 5 star PF
18. Joe Jackson - 5 star PG
19. Daron Lamb - 5 star SG
27. Tobias Harris - 4 star PF
31. Vander Blue - 4 star SG (from what I hear we're pretty much out of it though)
35. Keala King - 4 star SG
42. Justin Coleman - 4 star SF
50. Dwight Powell - 4 star PF
60. James Johnson - 4 star PF
66. Rickey Scott - 4 star SG
74. Trae Golden - 4 star SG
87. Rod Odom - 4 star SF
(91. Aaron Bowen - 4 star SF)
94. Andre Stringler - 4 star PG
109. Devon Collier - 3 star PF
115. Lavonte Dority - 3 star PG
116. Shane Southwell - 3 star SF
117. Reggie Smith - 3 star PG (only lists 4 other schools)
141. Flavian Davis - 3 star SF
Interesting to see how many players list MU, even if they aren't seriously considering coming here. All of these players had pretty long lists. It was also interesting to see that MU and Xavier seemed to be on more lists than any other teams not named UNC (just based on a quick glance over the lists).
Thanks for checking this out. I was just about to do the same thing on Rivals.com.... You saved me 2 hours of research and now I can get some work done that results in a paycheck!
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MU snares 2010-'11 commit
Jamail Jones, a 6-foot-6 1/2-inch, 205-pound forward from Stone Mountain, Ga., has orally committed to join MU's 2010-'11 recruiting class.
Jones is the third player to commit to that class, joining guard Aaron Bowen and forward Monterale Clark. He had narrowed his list of college choices down to MU, Oklahoma, Xavier and Mississippi State before giving the nod to the Golden Eagles in a phone call to assistant coach Aki Collins earlier today.
"He was excited," said Jones of Collins' reaction.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/53354147.html
From the JS Online article:"Academically Jones is in great shape, with right around a 3.0 GPA and a 1350 on the SAT."
Wow. That's very impressive for anyone, let alone a guy that can also play Div I hoops.
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Thanks for checking this out. I was just about to do the same thing on Rivals.com.... You saved me 2 hours of research and now I can get some work done that results in a paycheck!
You mean you don't get your monthly profit sharing checks from the Scoop? Better work on that message count...From the JS Online article:"Academically Jones is in great shape, with right around a 3.0 GPA and a 1350 on the SAT."
Wow. That's very impressive for anyone, let alone a guy that can also play Div I hoops.
What is the new SAT max 2400 right? Not to be a pessimist, just asking.
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Good get.
Also - a little slow on this one ;) but scholarship table updated...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
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I like the look of this kid, that would be rad if we got his amigo Golden....just for the last name!
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What is the new SAT max 2400 right? Not to be a pessimist, just asking.
I wondered about the same thing. I kind of doubt they would be bragging about a 1350/2400 and I also don't think that the 1350/2400 would get anyone, including a recruited athlete, into MU so maybe it's based on old scoring 1350/1600.
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Chico, I think that has been addressed by the fact that next year we will theoretically have Otule, Mbao, Roseboro, and Clark. Nobody knows if any are going to be great, but at least they are tall. Plus, a point guard and 4 6'6" guys on the floor beats 4 guards and one 6'6" guy. Although the amigos were great, I think it can be generally agreed upon that the lack of a competent big was a significant contributing factor to our lack of post-season success.
Yes, but the claim by some here was the inability get highly rated bigs. None of those 4 above were that highly rated (that I recall), but they are tall.
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From the JS Online article:"Academically Jones is in great shape, with right around a 3.0 GPA and a 1350 on the SAT."
Wow. That's very impressive for anyone, let alone a guy that can also play Div I hoops.
Let's remember that the ceiling isn't 1600 like it was back in the day when many of us took it. 1350 out of 1600 is a fantastic score. 2400 is now the ceiling.
1350 on today's test is between the 15th and 36th percentile....basically the equivalent of getting between a 810 and 950 on the old test.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Raw_scores.2C_scaled_scores.2C_and_percentiles
Still, he won't have any issues getting in or being cleared which is great news. It seems the last few years we've gone through this waiting game each year to get kids cleared. That gets old on many levels.
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Let's remember that the ceiling isn't 1600 like it was back in the day when many of us took it. 1350 out of 1600 is a fantastic score. 2400 is now the ceiling.
1350 on today's test is between the 15th and 36th percentile....basically the equivalent of getting between a 810 and 950 on the old test.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Raw_scores.2C_scaled_scores.2C_and_percentiles
Still, he won't have any issues getting in or being cleared which is great news. It seems the last few years we've gone through this waiting game each year to get kids cleared. That gets old on many levels.
Actually 1350 today is 900 on the old scale. 2400 x 2/3 = 1600 and 1350 x 2/3 = 900.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/school?schoolId=269&page=briefingroom&season=2010&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fschool%3fschoolId%3d269%26page%3dbriefingroom%26season%3d2010
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Good get.
Also - a little slow on this one ;) but scholarship table updated...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
So does this mean that they can just give Frozena a scholarship for this year?
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They could. Though I thought he was already on an academic?
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My guess would be that the 1350 is out of 2400, just based upon the 3.0 GPA (then again, some students are better at testing than classwork, so who knows). Still, as Chicos mentioned, that should be plenty for the clearinghouse - which apparently only looks at the Math and Verbal/Critical Reading component of the scores - but this year only requires a 620 combined on those two sections for D1 athletes with a 3.0 GPA.
One interesting sidenote, from reading portions of the NCAA Guide for the College-Bound Student Athlete (http://www.ncaapublications.com/ProductsDetailView.aspx?sku=CB10) is that if you take the test more than once, they'll take the best score from each subsection to meet NCAA requirements.
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Actually 1350 today is 900 on the old scale. 2400 x 2/3 = 1600 and 1350 x 2/3 = 900.
If I read it correctly, it's not scored exactly the way you state. That's why I put the range in there and the equivalency table.
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Hair-splitting, gents. Bottom line is that is academics are solid.
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I'm somewhat glad it's 1350 out of 2400. When i first saw 1350 my reaction was, why the hell did he only have a 3.0 gpa.
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If I read it correctly, it's not scored exactly the way you state. That's why I put the range in there and the equivalency table.
The two charts aren't exactly in balance. The first suggests a score > or = 1350 is equivalent to a score > or = 915. The second suggests 1350 = 898. I was only trying to tighten your range. Matters little to me as long as he qualifies.
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I'm somewhat glad it's 1350 out of 2400. When i first saw 1350 my reaction was, why the hell did he only have a 3.0 gpa.
Amazingly, I'm positive not many recruits as high as Jamail can claim that!
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Bottom line is that is academics are solid.
Agreed.
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Amazingly, I'm positive not many recruits as high as Jamail can claim that!
For sure, i'm just saying that if you are smart enought to get 1350/1600 and you have a 3.0 either you have a very hard highschool or you are sleep walking through class.
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I think it's time we stop over analyzing this kid's academics. He just committed to MU, is extremely excited about it and according to all sources, there are no problems with his academics.
We know that recruits regularly read these forums. We need him to see how excited we are about him and what great and supportive fans MU has. If I was a recruit reading some of these comments I would start wondering what I had gotten myself into and wondering if MU's fan base was full of hyper critical d-bags.
Can't we just be happy and excited to land another top 100, long, rangy and very athletic recruit? Buzz is showing he can regularly land people (on a national level) that TC either couldn't or didn't try to. Let's just celebrate this great commitment and start looking forward to the season getting started.
just my $0.02.
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I think it's time we stop over analyzing this kid's academics. He just commited to MU, is extremely excited about it and according to all sources, there are no problems with his academics.
We know that recruits regularly read these forums. We need him to see how excited we are about him and what great and supportive fans MU has. If I was a recruit reading some of these comments I would start wondering what I had gotten myself into and wondering if MU's fan base was full of hyper critical d-bags.
Can't we just be happy and excited to land another top 100, long, rangy and very athletic recruit? Buzz is showing he can regularly land people (on a national level) that TC either couldn't or didn't try to. Let's just celebrate that fact and start looking forward to the season geting started.
just my $0.02.
AMEN BROTHER! Your $0.02 was needed! I'm happy and excited to have a smart, athleti,c and physically gifted athlete commit to Marquette. It's cool to see guys committing to MU from various parts of the country... I think we should be thankfull that Marquette is much more widely known since our arrival on the Big East scene.
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Ya really it doesn't matter to me what this kids SAT score was as long as its good enough for the NCAA and MU admissions.
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I think it's time we stop over analyzing this kid's academics. He just committed to MU, is extremely excited about it and according to all sources, there are no problems with his academics.
We know that recruits regularly read these forums. We need him to see how excited we are about him and what great and supportive fans MU has. If I was a recruit reading some of these comments I would start wondering what I had gotten myself into and wondering if MU's fan base was full of hyper critical d-bags.
Can't we just be happy and excited to land another top 100, long, rangy and very athletic recruit? Buzz is showing he can regularly land people (on a national level) that TC either couldn't or didn't try to. Let's just celebrate this great commitment and start looking forward to the season getting started.
just my $0.02.
Yes, but it would also be nice to not have to wait every year for the NCAA Clearing house to give our guys the go ahead. That's been an unfortunate exercise for MU fans the last handful of years, thus the reason why academics has come up more and more in recent discussions.
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Yes, but it would also be nice to not have to wait every year for the NCAA Clearing house to give our guys the go ahead. That's been an unfortunate exercise for MU fans the last handful of years, thus the reason why academics has come up more and more in recent discussions.
Although to be fair, past Clearinghouse delays have not centered around grades or test scores, but rather whether or not the specific HS courses at the schools in question met the core requirements. Jones could have a 4.0 and a 2400 on the SAT, and the NCAA would still have to review the courses he took at Greenforest Christian and Montverde Academy.
As an aside, comparing Jones' schools to those of other players delayed by the clearinghouse, I would expect that the NCAA will have less to question in his case.
Greenforest
http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/7730 (http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/7730)
Montverde
http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/6673 (http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/6673)
FYI, here's Cadougan's school:
http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/26659 (http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/26659)
Mbao's:
http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/35843 (http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/35843)
Hayward's:
http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/13212 (http://www.privateschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/13212)
It's a fact of life these days that elite level basketball players are increasingly spending their HS years in specialty schools rather than traditional HS environments.
I don't think that's bad--it's just different than what we're used to. In my mind it is no different than attending an alternate math/science academy, school for the performing arts or humanities school.
I would like to see the NCAA staff up their clearinghouse staff in alignment with this trend.
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Let's remember that the ceiling isn't 1600 like it was back in the day when many of us took it. 1350 out of 1600 is a fantastic score. 2400 is now the ceiling.
1350 on today's test is between the 15th and 36th percentile....basically the equivalent of getting between a 810 and 950 on the old test.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAT#Raw_scores.2C_scaled_scores.2C_and_percentiles
Still, he won't have any issues getting in or being cleared which is great news. It seems the last few years we've gone through this waiting game each year to get kids cleared. That gets old on many levels.
That is a whole different story.