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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: cyismydog on April 01, 2009, 06:17:23 PM
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Congrats, good get for you guys.
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Source?
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the community college guy?
http://www.hutchcc.edu/dragons/redsite/basketballmen/2008-09%20Stats/2008-09%20HCC%20Men's%20Stats.html
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You mean Warrior? 8-)
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where are you getting this from?
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Looks like a class of 2010 Juco Guard. From the list of programs that was looking at him, might be an intreguing prospect.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=52311
Still, if this is true, not sure why Buzz would jump the gun on another Juco, particularly in 2010. Unless he is on the cusp of a major 2009 or 2011 commit for a 2-guard...
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2010 JUCO PG being recruited by Cinci and Kansas among other high majors. Not sure if he had offers from any of them though. Still no confirmation anywhere as far as I can tell.
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http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2464182
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from rivals...its all I could get, if any one subscribes please help out
January 22, 2009
Self checks-in on juco guard
Shay Wildeboor
JayhawkSlant.com
Wednesday was an extremely busy day Bill Self. He made the trip from Lawrence to Wichita to check-in on Perry Ellis, the elite prospect from Heights High School. Later that evening, Self was spotted at Hutchinson (KS) Community College. Apparently, he was there to get a closer look at Darius Johnson-Odom. Jayhawk Slant just spoke to Johnson-Odom and has the very latest inside.
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I don't know if this is at all reliable but I looked up his bio on scout.com and he is a 3 star recruit, and then on Rivals.com he is said to be recruited by a number of big schools. I think Kentucky, and tennessee were on there with a number of others.
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Butler, Buycks, Clark and if true this guy. Thats 1/3 of team from JUCO ranks. Turning into UNLV of the midwest? WTF?
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This season he averaged:
21.6 points, 48% fg, 77% ft, 39% 3pters, 5.3 reb, 4.6 asst, 1.5 stl, .5 blk, 4.1 to
Not a great asst/to ratio, but everything else looks good
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Butler, Buycks, Clark and if true this guy. Thats 1/3 of team from JUCO ranks. Turning into UNLV of the midwest? WTF?
I agree with this statement. I absolutely infuriated me when Tan Tommy did this since you never got a good return on your investment(maybe he brought in crappy Jucos). I understand Buzz doing this at the beginning but I rather have 3 or 4 year players.
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I agree with this statement. I absolutely infuriated me when Tan Tommy did this since you never got a good return on your investment(maybe he brought in crappy Jucos). I understand Buzz doing this at the beginning but I rather have 3 or 4 year players.
One positive with the juco's only being here for two years is that it will help us balance classes better, especially with a rather large freshman class coming in this year.
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Source??
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Let's see how the JUCO players pan out. I am all for winning. If Buzz can get the talent he needs in JUCO's and wins, I am happy.
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more from that rivals.com article:
Johnson-Odom has been an outstanding performer this season, which is one of the main reasons the Blue Dragon's have won 15-of-19 games this season.
Johnson-Odom is averaging 22.5-points and 6.6 rebounds per game. He's dished out a team-high 93 assists this season and has 31 steals.
On the court, there isn't much the talented shooting guard can't do.
"Pittsburgh has been by to see me this season," he said. "Tennessee has also been by to watch me play. Kentucky, Providence, Western Kentucky, Cincinnati, West Virginia and Virginia Tech are all interested in me. I have a real good relationship with Coach Seth Greenberg from Virginia Tech"
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I have been searching for a source for a while now and still have not found anything. I googled him and nothing came up. I am starting to wonder if this is true.
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I'd rather have T.J. Taylor
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One positive with the juco's only being here for two years is that it will help us balance classes better, especially with a rather large freshman class coming in this year.
I think that you going by the assumption that Jucos actually contribute something to the program.
Personally, I think really don't contribute a whole lot. For every Morley and Butler you have guys like marcus jackson and all the other JUCO guys that tommy brought in. I rather bank the scholarship or use it on someone that can contribute.
Plus there is nothing on the other board and there is no source.
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Butler, Buycks, Clark and if true this guy. Thats 1/3 of team from JUCO ranks. Turning into UNLV of the midwest? WTF?
Crean had Kinsella, Lott and Blackledge on roster. I'm not one who considers JUCO a dirty word.
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Dude, Mjax was solid.
/Threadjack over
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One positive with the juco's only being here for two years is that it will help us balance classes better, especially with a rather large freshman class coming in this year.
agreed. a lot of people have said that it's tough for schools to have a great class following a great class (like following the 3 amigos), so wouldn't using some hopefully good JUCO players be a good fill-in?
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Butler, Buycks, Clark and if true this guy. Thats 1/3 of team from JUCO ranks. Turning into UNLV of the midwest? WTF?
Why does the use of JUCO's = UNLV-Midwest? I have noted before that 1987 Indiana Hoosiers minus JUCO's Keith Smart and Dean Garrett = NNC's [Not Nat'l Champs] With those two = One Shining Moment!
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Let's see how the JUCO players pan out. I am all for winning. If Buzz can get the talent he needs in JUCO's and wins, I am happy.
It's all about winning? Seriously?
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from rivals...its all I could get, if any one subscribes please help out
January 22, 2009
Self checks-in on juco guard
Shay Wildeboor
JayhawkSlant.com
Wednesday was an extremely busy day Bill Self. He made the trip from Lawrence to Wichita to check-in on Perry Ellis, the elite prospect from Heights High School. Later that evening, Self was spotted at Hutchinson (KS) Community College. Apparently, he was there to get a closer look at Darius Johnson-Odom. Jayhawk Slant just spoke to Johnson-Odom and has the very latest inside.
Wednesday was an extremely busy day for Kansas head coach Bill Self. He made the trip from Lawrence to Wichita to check-in on Perry Ellis, the elite prospect from Heights High School. Later that evening, Self was spotted at Hutchinson (KS) Community College. Apparently, he was there to get a closer look at Darius Johnson-Odom, the 6-foot-2, 205-pound shooting guard. Jayhawk Slant just spoke to Johnson-Odom and has the very latest inside.
"Yes, Coach Self was at my game last night," said Johnson-Odom. "He was there to watch me play against Barton. "Kansas is one of the schools recruiting me right now. They just started showing interest in me recently.
"I don't have a visit planned yet, but that's something that could happen," he added. "Having Kansas involved in my recruitment is a real good step for me. I mean, Kansas is a great basketball program with a great tradition. They've also got great guards at Kansas. I'm glad Coach Self came to see me play."
After Wednesday night's victory over Barton Community College, Hutchinson's overall record improved to 15-4 and 4-1 in conference play.
Johnson-Odom has been an outstanding performer this season, which is one of the main reasons the Blue Dragon's have won 15-of-19 games this season.
Johnson-Odom is averaging 22.5-points and 6.6 rebounds per game. He's dished out a team-high 93 assists this season and has 31 steals.
On the court, there isn't much the talented shooting guard can't do.
"The season is going good," he said. "We beat Barton Community College last night (Wednesday). It was the first time Barton had lost a conference game this season. We gave them their first conference loss.
"I played pretty good last night," he added. "I had eight assists and 15-points. They did a lot of different things on defense and played a lot of zone, but I was able to get my teammates involved."
Because of his impressive play on the court, Johnson-Odom has emerged as one of the most heavily recruited prospects in the junior college ranks. Kansas isn't the only high-major program to stop by Hutchinson Community College this season, and they won't be the last."
"Pittsburgh has been by to see me this season," he said. "Tennessee has also been by to watch me play. Kentucky, Providence, Western Kentucky, Cincinnati, West Virginia and Virginia Tech are all interested in me. I have a real good relationship with Coach Seth Greenberg from Virginia Tech[/db].
"I have quite a few options to consider," he added. "I am going to take my time and see what happens. I am focused on the season right now. I will worry about my recruitment after the season is over."
Johnson-Odom is originally from Raleigh, N.C, and attended Wakefield High School.
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Links aren't working but if you go to youtube and type in his name(s) he's got some video there.
Articles--
http://www.newsobserver.com/821/story/545772.html
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache...gl=us&ie=UTF-8
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Butler was arguably the most valuable player in at least two of the big games in the last month of the season. Syracuse especially. The guy can play.
Just because Crean didn't know how to recruit JUCOs doesn't mean they can't contribute. In Butler's case, he was qualified to go directly to a 4 year school--- so the concerns over the negative impact to the roster should be mitigated.
How about the Blackledge reach? Pure desperation. He whiffed on Stemler (no prize himself) and just had to burn that money in his pocket. Picked his tallest teammate and called it a day.
Before we start freaking out about sullying our program's name, maybe we should wait to see (A) whether this is true and (B) whether this is a good kid. Don't pre-judge based on having attended a JUCO.
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i dont know how good this kid is but He plays in a big time Juco conference. People are mistaingly comparing Buzzes Juco recruits to creans. crean signed kids that did not even score double figures for their Juco teams and all but 1 of them played DII junior college ball which is free hs ball. Buzz has signed Juco all americans from Tyler, ottumwa, and now Hutchison which are three of the best Juco programs in the nation and have put dozens and dozens of players in the high d1 ranks and many mnay players in the NBA. They also play against big time competiton on a nightly basis. Again i dont know how good this kid is but he put up crazy numbers and had a whos who recruiting him. I will defer to Buzz on this one
he are his stats kid look like he can flat out shoot..
http://www.hutchcc.edu/dragons/redsite/Basketballmen/2008-09%20Stats/2008-09%20HCC%20Men's%20Stats.html
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Maybe its a perception thing with me regarding the number of JUCOs on a roster. Brings memories of Cincy and UNLV teams. Yes they won, but there was always that factor, can't really explain the appropriate word. Or maybe I am just discouraged because I am watching the McDonalds All American game on ESPN and no MU recruits playing.
Lets wait for the confirmation, but if true I am sure the staff knows what they are doing.
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Mark Miller has confirmed it.
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It's up on FoxSports.
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/goodmanonfox
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Johnson-Odom was one of the top junior college players in the country as a freshman and was recently cleared and will be eligible next season for Buzz Williams.
Next season as in '09?
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Johnson-Odom was one of the top junior college players in the country as a freshman and was recently cleared and will be eligible next season for Buzz Williams.
Next season as in '09?
Yep.
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Is he DJ or DJO?
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Wow. Good...gives a back up pg who can shift over to the 2 if we need it. Still keep recruiting in '10 for a SG.
We know somebody is transferring...........
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oh wow that is freaking huge...big time kid on campus in short order. Wow Buzz is the man.
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So do we now have any scholarships left for 2010 or was that the one just used on DJO?
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They say 2009. That means someone is leaving or redshirting.
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They say 2009. That means someone is leaving or redshirting.
I'm wagering either A) a resolution to McMorrow's issue is pending, or B) someone (see Hazel) is transferring.
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I don't know that he is going to be coming off the bench.
He sounds pretty spectacular.
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They say 2009. That means someone is leaving or redshirting.
A redshirt will still take up a scholarship. I'm guessing this points to a transfer. Even though they haven't been super open with Mcmorrow's status, they still have updated people on when he's getting checked out, so I think we'd hear if he for sure was done.
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I'm wagering either A) a resolution to McMorrow's issue is pending, or B) someone (see Hazel) is transferring.
my prediction is the latter
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I've been reading a lot of articles about him and it seems like he is the real deal. I don't know what happened as to why he wasn't heavily recruited out of Highschool, maybe grades or something? Also he went to Patterson Prep after highschool and apparently did pretty well there too.
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http://www.hutchcc.edu/dragons/redsite/Basketballmen/redmbkbrost.htm
Hopefully Buzz let him know he can't wear #3 at MU ;)
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Not impressed with another JUCO
Though this does give us another PG with experience.
I guess I'll wait and see how well he does before I criticize
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Not impressed with another JUCO
Though this does give us another PG with experience.
I guess I'll wait and see how well he does before I criticize
Thanks for withholding your judgment.
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I'll be extremely impressed with Buzz's recruiting if he contributes, and I think he will. He looks like an athletic freak (like DJ) and can shoot the three. Will need to improve on PG duties I'm sure but he seems like the real deal out of JUCO.
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I know some people won't be happy with another JUCO, but this guy is a very very good player. He might be better that Dwight Buycks, and some have called Buycks the best JUCO guard in the country.
There's a reason the top schools were after him, and the list was only going to grow once word got out that he was eligible, but Buzz was able to close the deal first.
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Now since he is coming next year does that mean he will be a Sophmore like Butler was this yr?
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It's all about winning? Seriously?
Sorry Puerto Rican Nightmare, you changed my sentence and the content completely. Please be more careful what you type and comment. I said "I am all for winning". But anyways, what's wrong with giving a JUCO a chance to get a 4 year degree, unless it is all about winning and you think we have a better chance with four year players.
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How could he be clear to play after only one year?
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It's up on FoxSports.
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/goodmanonfox
Sounds like a solid get at first glance! Elite schools were starting to visit!
I can't help it - did you read down the page after the article on DJO?
My sources were incorrect in that Dan Parker & Associates handled the Virginia search - which landed Tony Bennett.
Parker still did hire Billy Gillispie at Kentucky and Kelvin Sampson at Virginia - and his search firm has been hired to find a coach at Georgia.
Now the blame for hiring Bennett is squarely on Virginia AD Craig Littlepage.
Bennett is a guy who has been in the Midwest and west coast for his coaching career – as an assistant to his father and for three seasons at the helm at Washington State. He’s not exactly known as a plugged-in recruiter.
How in the world could he not have gone after Oklahoma’s Jeff Capel or Xavier’s Sean Miller?
They are both big-time recruiters and have more familiarity with the east coast.
Makes no sense.
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Now since he is coming next year does that mean he will be a Sophmore like Butler was this yr?
he is eligible and will have three years to play at Marquette.
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They say 2009. That means someone is leaving or redshirting.
It doesn't matter if you redshirt. It still counts as a scholarship...
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I know some people won't be happy with another JUCO, but this guy is a very very good player. He might be better that Dwight Buycks, and some have called Buycks the best JUCO guard in the country.
There's a reason the top schools were after him, and the list was only going to grow once word got out that he was eligible, but Buzz was able to close the deal first.
+1.
Unlike my initial post on this an hour ago, I'm VERY excited about what we're getting here. Part of me wanted a bigger 2-guard, but after seeing what 'Nova has done with a couple of combos on the floor at the same time in Stokes/Fisher/Renyolds, I really have warmed up to this pickup.
At the same time too, I'm impressed that Buzz was in-tune enough with what was going on here to jump the gun before other programs started beating down the door.
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He sounds like a good player and i dont know whether he will start or not but I'm sure he will get a considerable amount of PT. It will help this team in the long run because we finally are getting some depth which will help the team in the long run.
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I will withhold judgement even though I rather get 4 year players.
It's good thing that he has three years instead of the usual two. I wonder why he went the Juco route?
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Wow, that's awfully big of you to withhold judgment. Does Buzz know? He must, otherwise he wouldn't have gone through all the trouble of beating out Kansas, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia to get him to sign here.
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Wow, that's awfully big of you to withhold judgment. Does Buzz know? He must, otherwise he wouldn't have gone through all the trouble of beating out Kansas, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia to get him to sign here.
None of those schools offered him!!!!
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Wow, that's awfully big of you to withhold judgment. Does Buzz know? He must, otherwise he wouldn't have gone through all the trouble of beating out Kansas, Pittsburgh, Virginia Tech, and West Virginia to get him to sign here.
Like many people on this board they don't want to load up on Juco's given our recent history of them. We haven't had a lot of success with them at all. The have been nothing but a liablity when tommy was the coach. Maybe times will now be different and they will become an asset.
Also most of those schools haven't offered him. There is a difference between some assistant watching your game and being offered a scholarship. Therefore, we did not 'beat' kansas since they never offered. But if that makes you feel better then so be it.
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None of those schools offered him!!!!
Well, if you're Pittsburgh, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech, you certainly don't waste resources on sending one of your coaches to bumblef*ck, Kansas on a guy you're not at least heavily considering offering a scholarship too.
Also, by the time he hit the market officially for 2009 instead of 2010, Buzz had the deal done. If Buzz didn't see that much in this kid, and the big boys weren't going to give this kid the time of day, I'm sure Buzz would have probably taken a wait an see attitude. Either way, Buzz got in and out before anyone else got word.
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None of those schools offered him!!!!
None of those schools were looking at him for 2009. He just received word that he was going to be eligible this year, and as soon as he did, Buzz jumped on him. They all assumed he was a 2010 recruit so they waited and got burned.
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Here's the question that MU Nation should be really thinking and worried about: How is his name going to fit on the jersey?
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None of those schools were looking at him for 2009. He just received word that he was going to be eligible this year, and as soon as he did, Buzz jumped on him. They all assumed he was a 2010 recruit so they waited and got burned.
Self had gone to see him just before they found out he was eligable.....
This points to Buzz's contact database.....
It helps to know everyone and to be the first one to the dinner table!.....So to speak.....
The hardest working coach in College BBall!
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Here's the question that MU Nation should be really thinking and worried about: How is his name going to fit on the jersey?
Aren't we due for new uniforms anyway? It seems they change every couple years, maybe he can go with the old school half circle or Johnson above the number and Odom below the number.
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Aren't we due for new uniforms anyway? It seems they change every couple years, maybe he can go with the old school half circle or Johnson above the number and Odom below the number.
I think they should go back to the Nike's from 04-06 that were just before the current ones.
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This is another one of those times where the premium content over at Scout is worth every penny. Lets just say that if you read the content from Mark Miller's posts, you would be extremely excited about this commit.
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Dude, Mjax was solid.
/Threadjack over
Agreed. He was hurt his first year. What's the kid gonna do? I think it's time that the unfavorable attitudes towards his stay here get turned around. He was pretty good when he finally got to full strength.
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This is another one of those times where the premium content over at Scout is worth every penny. Lets just say that if you read the content from Mark Miller's posts, you would be extremely excited about this commit.
It's already on the free board. I was once a premium member, lets just say the worthwhile tidbits are few and far between.
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It's already on the free board. I was once a premium member, lets just say the worthwhile tidbits are few and far between.
Well, I haven't seen everything that Mark originally posted on the premium board cross over to the free content but I imagine that will happen shortly. I guess I prefer the high road and to hear it from Mark than someone paraphrasing what he said. Nevertheless, this sounds like a great signing who was probably a much priority than D. Smith.
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I think they should go back to the Nike's from 04-06 that were just before the current ones.
Tell me your kidding! The new jerseys are sick! Marquette has always been at the front of jerseys and believe it or not, high school kids are intrigued by the jerseys a team wears. We are one of, someone correct me here, 4 or 5 teams in the nation to have 4 different jerseys. I do not want these to change, plus their D-Wade's Converse brand........The new jerseys add so much to the player's mentality believe it or not.
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Here's the question that MU Nation should be really thinking and worried about: How is his name going to fit on the jersey?
We did fit Christopherson on a jersey, which is 2 more characters... it can be done. Though it will look really squished
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Well, I haven't seen everything that Mark originally posted on the premium board cross over to the free content but I imagine that will happen shortly. I guess I prefer the high road and to hear it from Mark than someone paraphrasing what he said. Nevertheless, this sounds like a great signing who was probably a much priority than D. Smith.
I like Mark Miller, I used to purchase his newsletter when he had it, great investment until he discontinued it. Think he's great for wisconsin hs basketball....just my opinion on the premium board.
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Well, if you're Pittsburgh, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech, you certainly don't waste resources on sending one of your coaches to bumblef*ck, Kansas on a guy you're not at least heavily considering offering a scholarship too.
Also, by the time he hit the market officially for 2009 instead of 2010, Buzz had the deal done. If Buzz didn't see that much in this kid, and the big boys weren't going to give this kid the time of day, I'm sure Buzz would have probably taken a wait an see attitude. Either way, Buzz got in and out before anyone else got word.
I second this post. The NCAA limits the number of recruiting days each programs gets during the academic year, so if a guy stinks, you won't waste more than one day. If all these schools are sending scouts, reducing the # of days they can look at other people, you can bet they think he's worth a look.
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We did fit Christopherson on a jersey, which is 2 more characters... it can be done. Though it will look really squished
That's it, we can not have that. We're going to have to make him pick one of his names and go with it.
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Like many people on this board they don't want to load up on Juco's given our recent history of them. We haven't had a lot of success with them at all. The have been nothing but a liablity when tommy was the coach. Maybe times will now be different and they will become an asset.
Also most of those schools haven't offered him. There is a difference between some assistant watching your game and being offered a scholarship. Therefore, we did not 'beat' kansas since they never offered. But if that makes you feel better then so be it.
Some of the best players in MU history were Juco's. Jerome Whitehead and Sam Worthen immediately come to mind. There were many more.
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Well, if you're Pittsburgh, West Virginia, and Virginia Tech, you certainly don't waste resources on sending one of your coaches to bumblef*ck, Kansas on a guy you're not at least heavily considering offering a scholarship too.
Also, by the time he hit the market officially for 2009 instead of 2010, Buzz had the deal done. If Buzz didn't see that much in this kid, and the big boys weren't going to give this kid the time of day, I'm sure Buzz would have probably taken a wait an see attitude. Either way, Buzz got in and out before anyone else got word.
great post
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Am I correct that Buycks and DJO are both considered among the best Juco guards in the country? DJO will be a sophomore and Buycks a junior? Thanks!
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Am I correct that Buycks and DJO are both considered among the best Juco guards in the country? DJO will be a sophomore and Buycks a junior? Thanks!
yep, they are two of the top ranked players in JUCO this year and DJO will be a sophomore and DB a Junior and then another solid JUCo in Monterale Clark for next year.
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None of those schools offered him!!!!
He was offered by Pitt and Kentucky, according to Rosiak's blog:
"Johnson-Odom also received scholarship offers from Pittsburgh and Kentucky, and was getting serious looks from Tennessee and West Virginia."
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I like a three year JUCO about 173% more than a two year JUCO. Even though he is a JUCO, seems like a world of difference to me.
Also, Buzz gets some coffee
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He was offered by Pitt and Kentucky, according to Rosiak's blog:
"Johnson-Odom also received scholarship offers from Pittsburgh and Kentucky, and was getting serious looks from Tennessee and West Virginia."
Wow. The more I read/see of him the more I don't think he was recruited for the backup pg position.
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Thanks! So if most of these Jucos pan out (realistically) we would have great depth! Could we go 9-10 deep? Like Mizzou??
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Butler, Buycks, Clark and if true this guy. Thats 1/3 of team from JUCO ranks. Turning into UNLV of the midwest? WTF?
+1. Don't like all the JUCO players either. I'd rather have a couple of superstar "one and done" kids than JUCO players. Successful programs have consistency.
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I'd rather have a couple of superstar "one and done" kids than JUCO players.
So, let me get this straight...you'd rather have a couple five-star superstar recruits than juco players. You know, that's just crazy enough to work. Somebody get Buzz on the phone and tell him to recruit the very best players.
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+1. Don't like all the JUCO players either. I'd rather have a couple of superstar "one and done" kids than JUCO players. Successful programs have consistency.
Who says Juco players can't become stars?
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Couple more DJO videos can be found here...
http://darius-johnson-odom.love.com/ (http://darius-johnson-odom.love.com/)
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Who says Juco players can't become stars?
+1
Here in Las Vegas they always talk about "Grand MaMa", aka, Larry Johnson coming out of JC (I believe in Texas).
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Interesting how evaluations change and who was recruiting him
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2464182
vs this
http://virginiatech.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=52311
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Couple more DJO videos can be found here...
http://darius-johnson-odom.love.com/ (http://darius-johnson-odom.love.com/)
Yikes...nice hops on that dunk, but the el matador defense right before that ain't gonna cut it in the BE. With all the new players to the program next year, defense will be our determining factor on any NCAA run....which is why many are saying NIT. You just can't practice BE intensity. It took Jimmy 3/4th of the year to get his footwork up to par on D.
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Interesting how evaluations change and who was recruiting him
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2464182
vs this
http://virginiatech.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=52311
And interesting how accurate they may be. Marquette wasn't listed as having any interest in him.
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For the visual learners:
He's #3:
(http://www.hutchcc.edu/dragons/redsite/Basketballmen/2008-09%20Photos/0216mbbteam.jpg)
"Hutch" - If only he can be more than Aaron was! :)
(http://www.hutchcc.edu/dragons/redsite/Basketballmen/2008-09%20Players/DariusJohnson-Odom-3.jpg)
How many 6'2" guards have done this at MU?
(http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1683/250/6/1402320716/n1402320716_30398668_8485.jpg)
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As a fan and alum that wants a successful program (graduating players, having good seasons) over the expense of a "winning" program (players not graduating, an open-door policy on who comes/goes w/no care to academics), I do worry about JUCO players.
But like someone else here said, I'd much, much, much rather have a three year JUCO player than a two. I am concerned with all the JUCO players we'll now have on the squad and I don't want to see MU getting the reputation of being a new haven for JUCO players (because like it or not the schoole gets some negative pub for it IMHO), but...I'm definitely not going to judge these guys yet as BUzz has no track record yet.
We have to hope he knows what he's doing and he has good kids. And, I also have to remember...just because TC didn't recruit any good JUCO players, doesn't mean Buzz will do the same. All of these kids look like far, far better players than the JUCO guys Crean got (although I still liked M Jax).
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Added to the official scholarship table. Let me know if anything looks incorrect!
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
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Added to the official scholarship table. Let me know if anything looks incorrect!
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
Might as well take Pat Hazel off the table
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Interesting how evaluations change and who was recruiting him
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2464182
vs this
http://virginiatech.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=52311
True, but the Rivals one is up to date, the Scout version hasn't been updated since he was a senior in high school. He had interest during prep school from Clemson, Wake, Bradley and a couple other places, but they are no where to be found on these sites.
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+1. Don't like all the JUCO players either. I'd rather have a couple of superstar "one and done" kids than JUCO players. Successful programs have consistency.
Ummm ... so a "one and done" provides more consistency than a three-year JUCO player?
Interesting.
Just wondering ... is there a difference between a three-year JUCO player and a high school player who turns pro after his junior season?
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Aren't we due for new uniforms anyway? It seems they change every couple years, maybe he can go with the old school half circle or Johnson above the number and Odom below the number.
+10000
I am all for the half circle.
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"Spoke to a DI assistant tonight from another school who saw Darius Johnson-Odom this year. He said he was the best available guard in the country not named John Wall. Said he is a freak athletically and will make an immediate impact."
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"Spoke to a DI assistant tonight from another school who saw Darius Johnson-Odom this year. He said he was the best available guard in the country not named John Wall. Said he is a freak athletically and will make an immediate impact."
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armageddon couldn't stop me from going to Marquette Madness and Haunted Hoops this october. If this kid is all that.....giddee up.
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armageddon couldn't stop me from going to Marquette Madness and Haunted Hoops this october. If this kid is all that.....giddee up.
It may not stop you, but it might stop MU from throwing it! LOL! ;)
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"Spoke to a DI assistant tonight from another school who saw Darius Johnson-Odom this year. He said he was the best available guard in the country not named John Wall. Said he is a freak athletically and will make an immediate impact."
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Where'd that quote come from?
Anyhow - I created a shell of a wiki page for him. Feel free to fill it out.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/darius_johnson-odom
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Pretty much everything has been covered. However, my thoughts...
-I don't like that we keep adding Juco players. It just says something to me that counting Fulce and Otule as Buzz recruits, he's gotten 12 players to commit (already, wow) and 5 of them are Juco.
-That said, I like Buzz's Juco targets. He's getting three year players (Fulce, Butler, Johnson-Odom), as well as Milwaukee natives (Buycks, Clark). They're also big time players, not afterthoughts to add a body in lieu of banking two scholarships. If you're going to do it, at least do it right, and Buzz is doing it the right way.
-Despite my stigma towards Jucos, I do like that Buzz is balancing the classes out to best cope with the unbalanced roster and the roster attrition we've had. We really don't want to have 5 or 6 players graduating at one time.
-Juco player or not, that list of schools on Rivals is impressive. When WKU is the only mid-major and it's a good program at that, this kid got some serious attention. I like it better than the backup point guard being another afterthought.
-Wondering what roster move(s) we'll see and if this is the last commit. Honestly, we were all expecting a 6'4" shooting guard, not a 6'2" if lucky point guard. If no other attrition besides the expected Hazel, Johnson-Odom may struggle to get playing time with Cadougan and Acker at the point and Buycks/Cubillan/maybe Butler at the 2. Like I've said before, it's very rare for a Juco player to come in without some lag/learning curve, and with the playing time that will likely be available it feels like either he's not a player we should expect to make an impact at all next year, but someone we should hope to be a more than capable backup to Cadougan and Buycks in his final two seasons, or else that we're banking on either Johnson-Odom or Buycks to fight it out to see who can transition from Juco and become a solid player first to earn the most playing time.
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Given the reports about him so far, it likely won't be DJO that will struggle to get playing time, it would be Cubillan and Acker. And he's not purely a PG, he plays off the ball as well.
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If no other attrition besides the expected Hazel, Johnson-Odom may struggle to get playing time with Cadougan and Acker at the point and Buycks/Cubillan/maybe Butler at the 2.
If you don't think DJO will be firmly entrenched well ahead of Cubillan and Acker in the rotation, then I would say you are sorely mistaken.
I, like probably 90% of other MU diehards, knew nothing about this kid before today, but I think he competes with Buycks for a starting job, based on the reports on him. Regardless, I can guarantee he will see significant minutes next year. He's twice as talented as Acker and Cubillan.
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Where'd that quote come from?
Mark Miller on Dodds' premium board. :-\
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Pretty much everything has been covered. However, my thoughts...
-I don't like that we keep adding Juco players. It just says something to me that counting Fulce and Otule as Buzz recruits, he's gotten 12 players to commit (already, wow) and 5 of them are Juco.
-That said, I like Buzz's Juco targets. He's getting three year players (Fulce, Butler, Johnson-Odom), as well as Milwaukee natives (Buycks, Clark). They're also big time players, not afterthoughts to add a body in lieu of banking two scholarships. If you're going to do it, at least do it right, and Buzz is doing it the right way.
-Despite my stigma towards Jucos, I do like that Buzz is balancing the classes out to best cope with the unbalanced roster and the roster attrition we've had. We really don't want to have 5 or 6 players graduating at one time.
-Juco player or not, that list of schools on Rivals is impressive. When WKU is the only mid-major and it's a good program at that, this kid got some serious attention. I like it better than the backup point guard being another afterthought.
-Wondering what roster move(s) we'll see and if this is the last commit. Honestly, we were all expecting a 6'4" shooting guard, not a 6'2" if lucky point guard. If no other attrition besides the expected Hazel, Johnson-Odom may struggle to get playing time with Cadougan and Acker at the point and Buycks/Cubillan/maybe Butler at the 2. Like I've said before, it's very rare for a Juco player to come in without some lag/learning curve, and with the playing time that will likely be available it feels like either he's not a player we should expect to make an impact at all next year, but someone we should hope to be a more than capable backup to Cadougan and Buycks in his final two seasons, or else that we're banking on either Johnson-Odom or Buycks to fight it out to see who can transition from Juco and become a solid player first to earn the most playing time.
I think Buzz has to be given a little slack at this point. Like you I will be concerned if we make a habit over the coming years of recruiting a disproportionate amount of JUCOS. However, I think it is important to remember that when Buzz took over , we lost Christopherson,Taylor,Nick Williams and Mbwake from the roster as well as having to replace Burke,DJ,Wes and Rel for the 09/10 season. The need to shore up talent to remain competitive in the BE , let alone finish in the top 5 is enormous and it seems that Buzz has a gameplan to try and shore up talent for the next two years ( which obviously he is under pressure to do as a new coach whose hiring had some legitimate concerns) by using more JUCOS than would otherwise be taken in order to balance out the 09 and 10 classes.
As long as he is taking JUCOS that are solid citizens and not troublemakers and they graduate from Marquette I am not going to complain since I don't think this is going to be a hallmark of the program after the next few years assuming Buzz has success and his reputation hopefully grows nationwide. 3 year JUCOS are obviously preferable to 2 year JUCOS and based on Butler's contributions and Fulce's potential and the reviews of Buycks and DJO, it appears that we are getting the cream of JUCO talent, not just guys to fill roster spots.
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I wonder where our recruiting class will be ranked after this get?
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Added to the official scholarship table. Let me know if anything looks incorrect!
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
That means that if Hazel is leaving, we are balanced out nicely with two scholarships available for 2010. Perfect!
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That means that if Hazel is leaving, we are balanced out nicely with two scholarships available for 2010. Perfect!
Actually, the way the table is organized, the "available" scholarships only lists the new ones available for that particular year. If Hazel leaves after the semester, one opens up for 2009-2010, and leaves 3 available for 2011-2012 (takes one away from that year).
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-Despite my stigma towards Jucos, I do like that Buzz is balancing the classes out to best cope with the unbalanced roster and the roster attrition we've had. We really don't want to have 5 or 6 players graduating at one time.
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By balancing out the classes, Buzz is simply correcting what Tan Crean screwed us on. Do you really think Buzz will not get great true freshman in the years to come?
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Added to the official scholarship table. Let me know if anything looks incorrect!
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
I cannot emphasize enough how much I like the official scholarship table.
Thank you for providing this feature and regular updates.
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I cannot emphasize enough how much I like the official scholarship table.
Thank you for providing this feature and regular updates.
That was a carry over from Ahoya. I think Mike Juno might have been the first guy to do one. Mike Juno, where for art thou?
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The JUCO thing really only becomes an issue if they don't perform well off the court as well as on. Is it not fair to assume that the MU athletic department has some idea what they are doing, and still have their priorities set? MU's student athlete academic track record is stellar. Just because Buzz is willing to do something the last guy wasn't, doesn't make it wrong. Would I prefer to see something less than 40% JUCO's? Sure, but lets face it, the roster was a mess and this was a rebuilding project, and if these guys are viable players and students, there is absolutely nothing wrong with bringing them here. Will that percentage of JUCO players continue once the roster is back in some sort of order? Who knows, but more importantly, if they perform well on the court and in the classroom, who cares?
This only becomes a problem if these guys don't work out (which very well could happen). There have been plenty of 4 year guys who have not worked out the past several years as well. Why is this any worse?
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I cannot emphasize enough how much I like the official scholarship table.
Thank you for providing this feature and regular updates.
I am willing to commit to buying a game program at next season's home opener.
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Could someone clarify for me how many scholarships are available? Last year, according to the table we used 12. This year we have 14 listed, but are only -1 on the scholarships available, which would indicate that last year we should have been +1.
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That was a carry over from Ahoya. I think Mike Juno might have been the first guy to do one. Mike Juno, where for art thou?
Mike Juno...
Wow I haven't heard that name in years...and I actually went to high school with Mike. He seemed to disappear before the first meltdown of the Rivals board.
I think the schollie table started with the Reptile, back when the recruiting board over there was "IWB and The Reptile's" recruiting board.
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Could someone clarify for me how many scholarships are available? Last year, according to the table we used 12. This year we have 14 listed, but are only -1 on the scholarships available, which would indicate that last year we should have been +1.
13 are available each year. We only had 12 scholarship players because Mbakwe transferred and there was no time to replace him.
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Good call .. could have been from that .. funny, I just checked that board .. it still exists, and because no one has posted there for years, messages from 2005 are still there.
http://marquette.rivals.com/forum.asp?style=2&sid=987&fid=1017&pid=53981466
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Good call .. could have been from that .. funny, I just checked that board .. it still exists, and because no one has posted there for years, messages from 2005 are still there.
http://marquette.rivals.com/forum.asp?style=2&sid=987&fid=1017&pid=53981466
I just had to read thru a few of those for a laugh. Apparently when we were on Derrick Rose's list a few years' back, we were worried whether we'd have enough minutes for him with James, McNeal, Matthews, Cubillan, and Christopherson all on the team.
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How many 6'2" guards have done this at MU?
I saw Anthony Pieper kind of do that on the baseline in a game for MU.
How tall was he?
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Tell me your kidding! The new jerseys are sick! Marquette has always been at the front of jerseys and believe it or not, high school kids are intrigued by the jerseys a team wears. We are one of, someone correct me here, 4 or 5 teams in the nation to have 4 different jerseys. I do not want these to change, plus their D-Wade's Converse brand........The new jerseys add so much to the player's mentality believe it or not.
As Jeronne said...."They are exclusive"
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Good call .. could have been from that .. funny, I just checked that board .. it still exists, and because no one has posted there for years, messages from 2005 are still there.
http://marquette.rivals.com/forum.asp?style=2&sid=987&fid=1017&pid=53981466
Man Hilltopper....funny to think how far we've come from those days. Hell, I had a post inquiring about Cubillan's high school performance. Gez.
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Enough with the criticism of JUCO's.......if they help us win and stay out of the slammer then we have nothing to complain about.
If we had the opportunity to take a one-and-done player no one would say smack about that, but here are some guys who are willing to play their hearts out and they're not good enough? We sound like ND fans......if the kid had some troubles academically and now has his stuff together......GAME ON!!!
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Enough with the criticism of JUCO's.......if they help us win and stay out of the slammer then we have nothing to complain about.
If we had the opportunity to take a one-and-done player no one would say smack about that, but here are some guys who are willing to play their hearts out and they're not good enough? We sound like ND fans......if the kid had some troubles academically and now has his stuff together......GAME ON!!!
Finally ... someone hit the nail on the head for me. He wants to play here and he qualifies. I expect the staff to keep him on track. We have no indications otherwise. I wish that all of our student athletes were of the mentality of I want to go to Marquette to get a great education and play ball but it is more like I want to play for a great team and get an education. That is OK and I think that is where most of us were when we were 20 years old too. Go Marquette, go, go, go, go.
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I like how the classes are now balanced out. Providence showed what happens when you have one huge class. It completely defines your team and if they are soft then the team and the class never reaches its potential. You are stuck with that underperforming class for four years and then you have half your roster to restock once they leave. Buzz clearly wants to avoid having a huge class. Schollies are investments and Buzz clearly is a diversification type of investor, not a go for broke type.
A new coach typically has a big open spot in yearly schollie breakdown. Buzz has managed to not only restore an equal distribution of schollies to next year's soph class, but also to the junior class, which was hurt by the loss of Christopherson and Mbakwe. We all know that Buzz loves math, balance and flexibility. His roster next year will reflect those three attributes.
Buzz also went to JUCO. He recognizes that many very smart people and very good basketball players have to go this route for a variety of reasons. Buzz does not attach the stigma to them as seems to be prone to many students who went straight to Marquette. This attitude towards JUCO and small state schools does exist at Marquette because I experienced it when I did my undergrad at South Dakota State and then my grad work at MU.
These guys aren't your JUCO hacks that Crean went after. JUCO in the MN and the Dakotas does not attract very good players, whereas JUCO in KS and TX is a whole different level. Its like comparing UW Parkside to Marquette. MUs JUCOs are either at the top of the JUCO ranks or are local kids who needed a year somewhere else to overcome the sewer that is the Milwaukee school system before they move into D-1.
Part of MU's Jesuit mission is to help those who need a hand to find their way. These guys do appear to have some significant talent, now it is up to Buzz and the university to make them MU basketball players and MU graduates.
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Nothing wrong with recruiting JC players. Al got some good ones to balance out his teams. One who comes to mind is:
Bob Lackey
Age: 53
Marquette forward, who joined coach Al McGuire's team as a diamond in the rough and left as his smooth-playing captain known as "the Black Swan" and "Captain Bob"; Casper Junior College (Wyo.) transfer, who lettered during the 1970-71 and 1971-72 seasons for Marquette; averaged 15.2 points and 8.1 rebounds a game as a senior captain in 1971-72, earning All-America honors as well; drafted by the NBA's Hawks and ABA's Nets in 1972; played for the Nets for one season before playing abroad in the Netherlands and France. He died of cancer.
Died: Evanston, Ill., June 4
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Honestly, I think you also have to differentiate between the JUCOs that went that route as full qualifiers (DJO and Butler) and those who went that route because they were partials. Now Buycks was a partial, but aftter two years seems to be doing just fine in the classroom and should do fine at MU. Clark has three semesters to see if he can cut it in the classroom. If he follows Buycks' lead, he'll be just fine. If he doesn't...well...then maybe he won't be here afterall.
There is a stigma attached to JUCOs, but as long as Buzz gets them to graduate, I don't care. I'm sure that educating JUCOs falls within Marquette's mission.
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The stigma attached to JUCOs around here has a lot to do with the ones that have player here over the last 10 years. After Marcus Jackson, there wasn't a lot of talent there.
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IF the jucos can make it in the classroom and we are not sacrificing talent, then going juco is the right thing to do.
Most are 3 year players so even if there is an adjustment you still get 2 good years out of them on a worst case scenario.
Our guard positions now balance out great. Acker/Cube are seniors, Buycks is a junior, DJO is a soph and Junior is a freshmen. Now that is balance. From this time going forward we should probably not be in a position where we have to rely on a freshmen to come in and handle to load.
From a talent perspective it is hard to argue with what Buzz has done. He is getting guards who can play the 1 and 2. Now if Junior goes down, we still have more than capable points in his place without a drop off in talent, unlike this year.
Finally, at least Buzz is filling out his roster with players who have high D-1 talent and not mid-major talent like Acker and Trend.
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Could someone clarify for me how many scholarships are available? Last year, according to the table we used 12. This year we have 14 listed, but are only -1 on the scholarships available, which would indicate that last year we should have been +1.
You're correct that we were technically +1 last year after Mbakwe left. Once it became apparent that we weren't going to use the slot during the school year, I moved the scholie to 09-10.
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I have zero problems with Juco's under Buzz.
Guys go juco for two reasons. Either they weren't good enough in their Jr/SR year in HS .. or they had academic problems.
If they bloomed later, I'm fine with that. If someone sucked in their JR year, but blew up in their SR year of HS, we'd take them in a heart beat. So delayed athletic ability is no big deal.
As for academics? I have no doubt that MU does a great job educating young men, keeping them on track, while not doing shady things to keep them above C-level.
I have no doubt that if some kid, super star, juco, or not .. if that kid wasn't going to class, had an attitude problem, legal problem .. Buzz would try to set em straight, but in the end, have no problem kicking them off the team. He's all about character.
Here's your complimentary Sweet Tea and a bus ticket. Buh Bye.
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You're correct that we were technically +1 last year after Mbakwe left. Once it became apparent that we weren't going to use the slot during the school year, I moved the scholie to 09-10.
Moved it to 09-10? Does that mean we can use 14 this year? If so we are not -1. If not, and we can only have 13 this year, then what is the point in "banking" a scholarship?
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Moved it to 09-10? Does that mean we can use 14 this year? If so we are not -1. If not, and we can only have 13 this year, then what is the point in "banking" a scholarship?
13 every year no matter what. We are -1 right now.
"Banking" a scholarship is done because scholarships are 2-4 year commitments from the school (they're really 1 year renewable x4 scholarships, but still). You would "bank" a scholarship because if you were to sign a player this year he would occupy that spot for 2-4 years and you wouldn't have that spot open for a better player the next year.
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A related scholarship question, if someone knows. What happens to players that get injured, leave early, don't finish on time, etc.? Do they come back to school "on scholarship, non-athletic", or pay their way or ...? I imagine that it would be against NCAA rules to keep paying for them but maybe there are sponsors, boosters or something.
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A related scholarship question, if someone knows. What happens to players that get injured, leave early, don't finish on time, etc.? Do they come back to school "on scholarship, non-athletic", or pay their way or ...? I imagine that it would be against NCAA rules to keep paying for them but maybe there are sponsors, boosters or something.
For career ending injuries, they continue receiving an athletic scholarship it simply doesn't count against the number of scholarships that the school can give out. It happened at UW a few years back when Latrell Fleming was diagnosed with a heart condition before ever playing a game. He stayed in school and got his degree.
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I'm excited about this kid. Seems like a real player. Good solid get by Buzz
Sincerely,
A Hater of Buzz supposedly
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This signing is a thing of beauty. It sounds like Buzz may have landed the best player available to us AND filled our biggest need. The fact DJO is coming in as a Soph. is the icing. We are going to win a lot of games in the future from this recruit.
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I like Buzz's approach. Find the "Stephen Currys" of the world and bring them to MU, even if they are Junior College kids. Even with all his McD all americans Coach K only went one game more than we did.
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The stigma also comes from some kids maybe not having the grades (that's not always the case, but is in some cases). And we all know that some schools use JUCO's a lot more than others do, and many of them have poor graduation rates. That's my only concern. I want to win, but I want the school represented well without those issues.
For an example of the stigma, just look at our friends on the UW-Madison board
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=4170515
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For an example of the stigma, just look at our friends on the UW-Madison board
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=4170515
Shocking isn't it!
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Shocking isn't it!
Videos like this don't help the stigma either
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbHue4OXMs
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Buycks should be a little smarter about the stuff he lets get on youtube... not gonna cut it next year.
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what was wrong with that video?? he was saying that they got kicked out of the gym cause they were there too late and he wishes they had a 24 hour gym cause he never wants to stop working... seems pretty good to me
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what was wrong with that video?? he was saying that they got kicked out of the gym cause they were there too late and he wishes they had a 24 hour gym cause he never wants to stop working... seems pretty good to me
Thanks for the translation.
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+1
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what was wrong with that video?? he was saying that they got kicked out of the gym cause they were there too late and he wishes they had a 24 hour gym cause he never wants to stop working... seems pretty good to me
Exactly what I thought. I've seen the other video which wasn't so flattering. But otherwise, welcome to Marquette, where you can live in the gym...as long as you get your homework done :)
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Thanks for the translation.
+1
(http://vwt.d2g.com:8081/mars_attacks.jpg)
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Didn't realize we had so many tin ears around here.
My advice: stay away from that hippity-hop music all the kids seem to be listening to these days. Lots of naughty words.
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what was wrong with that video?? he was saying that they got kicked out of the gym cause they were there too late and he wishes they had a 24 hour gym cause he never wants to stop working... seems pretty good to me
My only problem with it is that he has to get with the times and start twittering. Posting Youtube videos of yourself is so 2007. Kid says he's always hungry and they have to turn out the lights to get him out of the gym, will give him plenty of time to practice free throws outside of practice.
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Thanks for the translation.
your welcome. obviously some of you needed one if you thought the video was a negative reflection on dwight
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Didn't realize we had so many tin ears around here.
My advice: stay away from that hippity-hop music all the kids seem to be listening to these days. Lots of naughty words.
I love it when people speak naughty.....I just want to make sure I can understand the naughtiness to take full effect. I felt like I was on the phone with a customer service rep from overseas. I had to play it about 5 times. I figured if I play it backwards I might here Paul or John say "Turn me on, dead man" (that may be to obscure for most on the board, but Pakuni I think you're old enough to get it).
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"....I......buried......Stew Morrill, er, no.....Paulll"......
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ya see the kids today. with the hippin and the hoppin and the bippin and a boppin, they don't know what the jazz is all about.
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I love it when people speak naughty.....I just want to make sure I can understand the naughtiness to take full effect. I felt like I was on the phone with a customer service rep from overseas. I had to play it about 5 times. I figured if I play it backwards I might here Paul or John say "Turn me on, dead man" (that may be to obscure for most on the board, but Pakuni I think you're old enough to get it).
"number 9, number 9, number 9..."
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i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie
to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop
the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie
to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat
now what you hear is not a test--i'm rappin to the beat
and me, the groove, and my friends are gonna try to move your feet
see i am wonder mike and i like to say hello
to the black, to the white, the red, and the brown, the purple and yellow