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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: muole on January 31, 2009, 03:35:32 PM
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did anyone hear the post-game interview? buzz sounded pissed at Mac for a seemingly innocent question. does he think he's Bo Ryan or something?
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Did anyone just hear that? Buzz went after McIlvaine on the post game show. I was only kind of half listening. Can someone elaborate on what was said?
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I heard the same thing. Not sure what Mac said that pissed Buzz off.
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Just listening to the post game radio show in the background, and all of a sudden Buzz is going rough on Mac. Anyone catch what question he asked. Really, Buzz came off like nothing more than a jerk...
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Buzz just kind of chastised Jim Maclavaine in the post game interview for asking a question as to how Buzz keeps the team so focussed now that they are getting ranked higher and higher. Maybe he misinterpreted the question but the question was in no way meant as critical of Buzz or his players.
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just posted the same thing... did Buzz misunderstand Mac because it sounded like what Buzz was getting at was the same thing Mac was??
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I agree, I have no idea why Buzz was so upset. Maybe he's been hearing from other sources, how "lucky" we are, etc..
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Yeah, not sure why Buzz went off like that. It was a seemingly innocent question from Mac.
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The question was: Now that the team is 8-0 in the Big East and on an 11-0 run and ranked 8th in the country, what do you do as a coach to not let the notoriety go to the players heads and keep the team focussed. (I am paraphrasing it)
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On the post game show he just tore Jimmy Mac a new one for simply asking how he keeps the guys focused.
Buzz essentially said he was disappointed in him even asking the question. And expects for from an MU employee. I took it as a joke at first, but Mac sounded like he was caught off guard, and nobody was laughing. It was brutal. ?-(
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In what way did Buzz respond?
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He flew off the handle and said he was surprised Mac as a former MU player would ask him something like that.
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Buzz said why don't you ask questions about how we prepared and performed in THIS game. Or how a group of undersized guys continue to work hard, focus, and get better everyday.
Mac was simply taking a peek ahead in the schedule, and Buzz didn't think a former player or MU announcer should do such a terrible thing. It was real uncomfortable. ?-(
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Mac continues to be very classy, but it was BS response from Buzz at any rate. I've never known Mac to do anything but positive for MU.
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That was surreal. Buzz was totally flying off the handle. He'll need to apologize for that .. no excuse, especially after a win. ESPECIALLY on the radio or TV. What was he thinking.
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Maybe we dont know the whole story. But who cares we just whipped georgetown
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For a question like "remaining focused"? Strange, especially after a huge win. Maybe someone can stream it later. No negative waves please Buzz.
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Buzz said why don't you ask questions about how we prepared and performed in THIS game. Or how a group of undersized guys continue to work hard, focus, and get better everyday.
Mac was simply taking a peek ahead in the schedule, and Buzz didn't think a former player or MU announcer should do such a terrible thing. It was real uncomfortable. ?-(
I don't think he (Mac) was looking ahead. In fact, he was asking how he'd keep them focused for the next game. I'm wondering if he wasn't more ticked that Mac just wasn't giving credit to the players. In my opinion, then Buzz should arrange for the players to do the interview after the game.
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buzz's first slip-up. soon he'll realize the MU community loves him but will call him out on any BS like this.
great game buzz. crappy interview.
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Seems like Buzz was taking a page from his old bud Gillespie!
man, uncalled for imo.
Mac stayed pretty quiet after that.
too bad buzz tarnished a pretty good win in that fashion..
asking Mac who employs him? maybe he should be proud of the guys instead of asking that pretty benign question???
wow.
:-\
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Buzz is no shrinking violet. Really ripped Mac a new one. Said Mac should be talking about the heart and character of this team. His response must have boiled over from some other incident. BTW, now 296 days on the job.
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I think all Buzz was trying to say was--
THEY WERE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!!!!
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Maybe some have doubted him all year and now they want to know how he will deal with success instead of congratulating the team for a job well done.
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yes, it was strange to have such negative response after such a nice victory. maybe Buzz is feeling stress or a lot of pressure from the increased (national) media attention. This was not a stupid or hostile question. He will need to deal politely with very stupid and hostile questions from (national) reporters who cannot even spell his players names correctly. i am surprised buzz would react in such a way as he has always been very polite to everyone around him.
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Maybe some have doubted him all year and now they want to know how he will deal with success instead of congratulating the team for a job well done.
Unless by "some" you mean Mac, then there was absolutely no need for Buzz to be a prick...
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Wow can 10 more people ask the same question?
Man...
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My wife and I were driving home and heard the interview. Two words come to mind, "temporary insanity." Both our jaws dropped during his response.
Big black mark in the wife's book. I'll give Buzz the benefit of the doubt, but if I had come across Buzz Williams on a street corner ranting in that manner I would have crossed the street and headed in the other direction. ?-(
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Maybe its just me but I'd rather have a coach who is upfront about how he feels than one who sugar coats everything that come out of his mouth.
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It was a Tom Crean-esque @$$ hole move on the part of Buzz. He needs to apologize.
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If we want to hear it again, we could try and get Bill Johnson to replay it on the postgame on ESPN 540... email him at bjohnson@espnmilwaukee.com
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Funny thing is, everyone gives him crap when he is overly kind to the other coaches, commenting on how great they are and how he's not as good as them... then when he actually takes the sugar coat off and shows some balls and does something like this, people get on his case.
Make up your mind.
Chances are it was a misunderstanding or maybe it was a touchy subject. No reason to get on the guy's case for it. Sheesh.
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Maybe its just me but I'd rather have a coach who is upfront about how he feels than one who sugar coats everything that come out of his mouth.
I'm not sure what this has to do with TC. I've supported Buzz since they announced his hire, but I won't support his decision to be a prick on the radio.
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Totally flew off the handle and definitely not deserved. Buzz really needs to offer an on-air apology to Mac and claim temporary insanity.
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I'm not sure what this has to do with TC. I've supported Buzz since they announced his hire, but I won't support his decision to be a prick on the radio.
He's 8-0 in the Big East, Top 10, maybe borderline top 5 in the nation now. He can be a prick all he wants to some news beat writer as long as he puts up wins.
We all know that's not his nature, so why get on his case for one slip up? Man, you guys are brutal. Cut the guy some slack. It's like you forum trolls want to pick and prod at something so badly you'll cling to anything
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I'm not sure I can convey how insane Buzz Williams sounded during his response. He lit up Mac for no apparent reason. Didn't even seem like Buzz heard the question.
I'll cut him some slack because we all have bad days and act inappropriate, but it was unreal.
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Buzz really needs to offer an on-air apology to Mac and claim temporary insanity.
::) :D :D :D :D
an on-air apology? Too funny
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He's 8-0 in the Big East, Top 10, maybe borderline top 5 in the nation now. He can be a prick all he wants to some news beat writer as long as he puts up wins.
We all know that's not his nature, so why get on his case for one slip up? Man, you guys are brutal. Cut the guy some slack. It's like you forum trolls want to pick and prod at something so badly you'll cling to anything
Why don't you go back and count the number of posts where I've said bad things about Buzz...you'll find the answer to be exactly zero prior to the end of today's game.
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+1 didnt we beat Gtown today and all you fans can think about is this gaffe?
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Why don't you go back and count the number of posts where I've said bad things about Buzz...you'll find the answer to be exactly zero prior to the end of today's game.
It was a generalization... To everyone... ::)
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He's 8-0 in the Big East, Top 10, maybe borderline top 5 in the nation now. He can be a prick all he wants to some news beat writer as long as he puts up wins.
Saying Mac is "some news beat writer" displays a LOT of ignorance.
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+1 didnt we beat Gtown today and all you fans can think about is this gaffe?
THANK YOU!
Finally someone with some damn brains.
We beat two top 25 teams, are 8-0 going into the easiest part of our conference schedule this next 5 game stretch here and everyone is all up in arms over one answer Buzz gave that was most likely a misunderstanding!
Talk about the win, not about a slip up post game interview. This was obviously out of character for him, cut him some slack.
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I am more pissed than Buzz. Get real people
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Saying Mac is "some news beat writer" displays a LOT of ignorance.
Hanging on Buzz' every word and giving him a hard time for the ONE SINGLE bad thing he's ever said in an interview this season displays a LOT of ignorance as well
Get a life
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There is "winning," and then there is "winning with class."
It's nice MU beat Georgetown, but the win is not a license to act insane.
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Totally flew off the handle and definitely not deserved. Buzz really needs to offer an on-air apology to Mac and claim temporary insanity.
Followed perhaps by a pre-game self-flaggellation at center court and three days in stocks outside the Al.
How would some of you sensitive sorts have survived a tenure of Bob Knight as head coach? Or - gasp! - a coach who got into fisticuffs with his own players.
I didn't hear it, but from the description I would suppose it wasn't one of Buzz's finer moments. Who cares?
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I agree that we should be focusing on the win but I was really taken back by this comment from Buzz - perhaps not so much that he was mad but in the way that he almost called out Jimmy Mc's loyalty to Marquette. There are plenty of clowns out there that can have their loyalty questioned, but McIlvane? Really?
The only way that I can rationalize this is that Buzz must have misinterpreted the question due to the adrenaline, noise, etc. I think maybe he took his comments as, "how are you keeping the guys focused when the media keeps saying that you guys haven't proven yourselves, haven't played the meat of the conference?" thing and so on. I'm a young alum, but as for me, I wanted to ask Buzz, "do you know who the hell you're talking to here?"
I mean, McIlvane played with the band at an MU women's game. Are you sure you wanna call him out?
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I haven't heard the interview, but what some of you as described as "unreal", "insane", "surreal"...I am think he must have dropped some racial bombs or something.
Apparently some natives are getting restless.
BTW, we are undefeated in conference play.
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Great Win today!
Buzz is an emotional guy. We all know that. Mac asks a version of this question every game. It must get old.
Buzz will calm down and they will kiss and make up.
Quit treating him like he is Bobby Knight tossing a chair.
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To be honest it was kinda surreal. Mac did not say anything after that, and once Buzz was done with his rant, Homer kinda took control. It was awkward to be sure. I strongly suspect it was a misunderstanding of the question on Buzz's part and that he and Mac will discuss this off air and be fine. In the big scheme of things, not a big deal. But as I listened to it live, I was kinda thinking WTF is this?
-SERocks
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I'm not sure what winning or losing has to do with this thread?
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I'm not sure what winning or losing has to do with this thread?
perhaps because winning is the BIGGER story than this garble?
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i don't really CARE and posting once or twice is hardly obsessing over it. I, too, have never said a bad word about buzz before now, but he did sound TEMPORARILY INSANE - that is not hyperbole.
and for fans concerned enough to write on chatboards about the team, this is a completely newsworthy topic. i learned this during my time at MU in the Broadcast Journalism department.
it was an amazing win and buzz should be proud as hell of his team, but that does not excuse his actions is this limited matter. i dont think it calls for a public apology, but maybe a private one.
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People saying it was no big deal obviously didn't hear the interview. Mac asked a very basic, unthreatening question, and Buzz went on what seemed like a 2-minute rant, ripping Mac up and down Wisconsin Ave. Absolutely no justification for that,
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::) :D :D :D :D
an on-air apology? Too funny
Not funny at all. Buzz is a stand up guy. If he feels that he over reacted to the question, he will offer an apology on-air. He has apologized for his actions before on-air for actions that were extremely tame and frankly no big deal.
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and for fans concerned enough to write on chatboards about the team, this is a completely newsworthy topic. i learned this during my time at MU in the Broadcast Journalism department.
And I learned during my time at MU in Psych 101 that adrenalin can cause people to do crazy things...
Big deal.
So if the fans are concerned enough to write on chatboards on Buzz' choice of shoes this week, should that be news worthy? Or how about Buzz' breakfast this morning... I mean after all don't we all want to eat the breakfast of champions?
Just because 8 people on a chat board write about it, it's worth talking about?
Reminds me of a Family Guy episode...
FCC Suit 1: Gentlemen, we got 20 calls about the David Hyde-Pierce incident. And as you know, one call equals a billion people, which means 20 billion people were offended by this. Needless to say, something must be done.
Laughable
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People saying it was no big deal obviously didn't hear the interview. Mac asked a very basic, unthreatening question, and Buzz went on what seemed like a 2-minute rant, ripping Mac up and down Wisconsin Ave. Absolutely no justification for that,
A misunderstanding is no justification? Perhaps a mistake? God forbid he misunderstands a question. And God forbid that certain subjects are touchy matters from the all humble Buzz Williams.
Gag
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And I learned during my time at MU in Psych 101 that adrenalin can cause people to do crazy things...
Big deal.
So if the fans are concerned enough to write on chatboards on Buzz' choice of shoes this week, should that be news worthy? Or how about Buzz' breakfast this morning... I mean after all don't we all want to eat the breakfast of champions?
Just because 8 people on a chat board write about it, it's worth talking about?
Reminds me of a Family Guy episode...
FCC Suit 1: Gentlemen, we got 20 calls about the David Hyde-Pierce incident. And as you know, one call equals a billion people, which means 20 billion people were offended by this. Needless to say, something must be done.
Laughable
+1,000,000
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A misunderstanding is no justification? Perhaps a mistake? God forbid he misunderstands a question. And God forbid that certain subjects are touchy matters from the all humble Buzz Williams.
Gag
I'm guessing you didn't hear the interview. If you had, you might have a different opinion.
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People are calling in a ton and asking about this on ESPN 540 right now... a few people sound really pissed
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People saying it was no big deal obviously didn't hear the interview. Mac asked a very basic, unthreatening question, and Buzz went on what seemed like a 2-minute rant, ripping Mac up and down Wisconsin Ave. Absolutely no justification for that,
I feel safe suggesting one of two things happened here:
1. There's more to the story than we know.
2. There was a basic misunderstanding of the question and Buzz's understanding led him to be substantially offended by it.
I say that because, based on what we've seen and heard from the guy for the past nine months, there's nothing to suggest that he's a raging prick. A little high-strung and emotional, perhaps, but not the second coming of Bob Knight or John Chaney (or Lon Chaney, for that matter).
That being the case, I would say that yes, this really is no big deal.
A big deal is getting busted for recruiting violations.
A big deal is having a tutor write your players' term papers.
A big deal is being caught getting it on with a co-ed.
A big deal is coddling players who commit criminal acts while part of the program.
A big deal is trying to cover up the murder of one of your players.
Having a blow up with a radio host? Not a big deal.
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maybe Buzz wants to leave and is setting it up so he can go to Mississippi! ?-(
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perhaps because winning is the BIGGER story than this garble?
It certainly is, and that is why I said it has nothing to do with this thread. Feel free to contribute to the NUMEROUS other threads that are pertaining to MU's success.
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MU 06, if you are not Buzz's agent/attorney, you should expeditiously apply.
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the difference here is that buzz's shoes and choice of breakfast food don't involve another MU alum/broadcaster and hunderds of thousands of watts of transmission power. if you think im wrong check out the other MU blogs (already). i gaurantee you this will be addressed in some form by the mainstream media.
stop acting like a badger fan. it's okay if our guys slip up once and awhile but to not call them on it is not being honest with them or yourself. i appreciate when people call me on my BS.
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I guess I heard a different interview. What I heard said was, "Playoffs?? Playoffs??? You want to know about playoffs???? Playoffs????"
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I'm guessing you didn't hear the interview. If you had, you might have a different opinion.
Whether I heard it or not, that's not the issue. The issue is, it is VERY possible that Buzz misunderstood. You would agree that this was out of character for Buzz yes? If so, then there has to be a reason for it. Last I checked, individuals don't rip into members of the media for no reason.
There are two sides to every story. I'm just proposing possible scenarios for Buzz' side to the story.
1- It could have been a misunderstanding
2- He have have heard the question wrong (I guess that's the same as #1)
3- It may have been a sore subject that Buzz was tired of hearing about. Maybe he hates hearing how overrated we are
4- Maybe he just felt like being a dick
If the answer to the scenario is #4, then yeah, give him crap all you want because it was not called for and there's no reason to be a dick after a big win like that. But I highly doubt that's the case. Therefore give the guy some slack. Sure, it was uncalled for but calling for his head is no response.
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06.. calm yourself down, or I will do it for you.
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I agree - tough to listen to. I kept waiting for us listeners to be brought in on the joke...but it never came and was very cold for the rest of the interview. Props to Mac as he didn't totally back down, but didn't escalate the situation either. I'll chalk this goof of buzz's up to adrenaline, inexperience and likely some additional pressure as our winning streak gets longer.
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Thank you Hilltopper. I believe it's Buzz's relative.
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if you think im wrong check out the other MU blogs (already). i gaurantee you this will be addressed in some form by the mainstream media.
stop acting like a badger fan. it's okay if our guys slip up once and awhile but to not call them on it is not being honest with them or yourself. i appreciate when people call me on my BS.
I checked the blogs. Nothing that I see. No word on this travesty of the year. You will guarantee me this will be addressed by the mainstream media? This slip up? Not the win? Alright, I will hold you to it.
Read my last post. I think if he just felt like ripping into him it was uncalled for. But if it was a misunderstanding he deserves a little slack. Sure, he doesn't get a free pass for acting like a dick, but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. People here are acting like he meant to do this, and just felt like ripping Mac a new one. I'm sure it was a misunderstanding and I'm sure it'll be cleared up between the two.
Just relax- wooosaaaah
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Thank you Hilltopper. I believe it's Buzz's relative.
lol. Good one. I can laugh at that :)
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hey '06 - here's an example....
http://community.sportsbubbler.com/forums/t/71177.aspx
and if they are talking about it on ESPN radio, it's already gettin mainstream media play.
as hilltopper said. "if you don't calm yourself, i'll do it for you." ;D
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I agree - tough to listen to. I kept waiting for us listeners to be brought in on the joke...but it never came and was very cold for the rest of the interview. Props to Mac as he didn't totally back down, but didn't escalate the situation either. I'll chalk this goof of buzz's up to adrenaline, inexperience and likely some additional pressure as our winning streak gets longer.
I agree 100%. I think the pressure builds as this team continues to win. We have to remember that everyone in the media (majority at least) have been calling MU very overrated. I don't blame them, as of all the other teams in the BE who are doing well, MU has played the least of those top teams. However, seeing them play and just looking at their schedule and results are 2 different things.
People calling MU overrated this and that is a huge slap in the face to Buzz. His first year coaching a legitimate team in D1 and he's got them undefeated in their conference and people are jabbing at his ability to coach. I'd be kind of touchy on that subject too if I were him. He knows how hard he works at this job, no one else.
Sure, Mac wasn't criticizing him. Buzz answered a completely different question, if he answered one at all in his rant. It was clear he did not understand what was being asked. And yes, I did hear the interview. I was shocked and I was thinking to myself, what the heck's gotten into him!? But I think we all know him better than to assume he meant to do that.
There are two sides to every story, and perhaps we should wait until/if we hear Buzz' side before making conclusions? That's all I'm trying to say here... seems reasonable to me
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And I learned during my time at MU in Psych 101 that adrenalin can cause people to do crazy things...
Big deal.
So if the fans are concerned enough to write on chatboards on Buzz' choice of shoes this week, should that be news worthy? Or how about Buzz' breakfast this morning... I mean after all don't we all want to eat the breakfast of champions?
Just because 8 people on a chat board write about it, it's worth talking about?
8 people????? Way more than 8 people. This is way larger than the game right now. Thats all anyone wants to talk about on the radio. Thats all my friends want to talk about. This was a huge mistake by Buzz no ifs ands or buts about it. ANd I know where you are coming from but Buzz needs to apologize as soon as possible and get this attention back on the team and not his blowup.
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hey '06 - here's an example....
http://community.sportsbubbler.com/forums/t/71177.aspx
and if they are talking about it on ESPN radio, it's already gettin mainstream media play.
That's hardly mainstream media... but thanks for showing the one other message board talking about this. If you look, someone has already posted saying it must be a misunderstanding. I don't doubt more message boards will be discussing this topic. But you did guarantee that this would receive mainstream media play. I disagree. This will be cleared up pretty quickly between those two, if it isn't already.
You can't call ESPN radio mainstream media... It happened there, they're talking about it there. I look forward to watching the news later, or reading the paper tomorrow about this awful thing Buzz did in the post game interview. I won't hold my breath
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I checked the blogs. Nothing that I see. No word on this travesty of the year. You will guarantee me this will be addressed by the mainstream media? This slip up? Not the win? Alright, I will hold you to it.
Read my last post. I think if he just felt like ripping into him it was uncalled for. But if it was a misunderstanding he deserves a little slack. Sure, he doesn't get a free pass for acting like a dick, but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. People here are acting like he meant to do this, and just felt like ripping Mac a new one. I'm sure it was a misunderstanding and I'm sure it'll be cleared up between the two.
Just relax- wooosaaaah
Your obviously not listening to ESPN540 because that has been 70 percent of the conversation.
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it's because '06 obviously doesn't know what he's talking about
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8 people????? Way more than 8 people. This is way larger than the game right now. Thats all anyone wants to talk about on the radio. Thats all my friends want to talk about. This was a huge mistake by Buzz no ifs ands or buts about it. ANd I know where you are coming from but Buzz needs to apologize as soon as possible and get this attention back on the team and not his blowup.
No, I'm not listening to the radio, and I would expect people to call in and discuss this. That's where the interview was conducted and I would expect people to discuss it there. Until it gets past the radio I don't really think it's a huge issue. If so many people are concerned about it I'm sure some MU PR personnel guy has already approached Buzz about it and for all we know it could be settled?
I can see we'll have to agree to disagree. I am merely calling for people to wait for an explanation from Buzz before calling for his head. If you guys want to send him to the gallows before even hearing his reasoning then I guess there's no point in me continuing this conversation.
Go Warriors. Big Win. Disappointed it had to be overshadowed by this... it's too bad we're all talking about this and not the brilliant full court press in the second half and amazing defensive effort by this team yet again.
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go Buzz go
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Buzz admitted he handled the interview poorly in his post game conference.
He's aware he made a mistake be it a misunderstanding or just lost his cool a second.
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for the record i'm not calling for buzz's head. i'm sure there was some kind of misunderstanding, and i'm sure this will blow over in a few days. great win. pack the bags for some road trips.
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for the record i'm not calling for buzz's head. i'm sure there was some kind of misunderstanding, and i'm sure this will blow over in a few days. great win. pack the bags for some road trips.
Some others were. I think it was blowing out of proportion and I agree, in a few days it will be over and done with... even after today I would be willing to bet
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Knowing Buzz he probably has already apoligized to Jimmy Mac ten times.
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/38753667.html
here is another one '06. this isn't going to be over by tomorrow.
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MU / Panther is not a reliable source ;) The guy has nothing else to do with his life lol.
But I will conceed that it will continue for a couple days. I just hope it doesn't overshadow the win and what these boys need to get done the next 3 games
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on that we can agree :D
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Pressue mounts for Buzz no doubt. But, it was behavior was way out of line. In my opinion this is why there should no no after game radio spots for coaches. Really all they can do is jag it up.
I like Buzz but I think there is much more than meets the eye. He has been around a long time and never really had climbed the ladder. Maybe we caught a glimpse of his dark side.
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Not sure I call getting a major head coaching job at 35 "being around a long time."
Even being a HC at a low D1 school for a year can't prepare someone for this. I didn't hear it, but I'm willing give Buzz some slack.
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Pressue mounts for Buzz no doubt. But, it was behavior was way out of line. In my opinion this is why there should no no after game radio spots for coaches. Really all they can do is jag it up.
I like Buzz but I think there is much more than meets the eye. He has been around a long time and never really had climbed the ladder. Maybe we caught a glimpse of his dark side.
send him to gitmo!
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Crazy like a fox. Remember, Buzz Ball is about the players. All I'm sayin.
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Agree, crazy like a fox. Takes the pressure off the players and the media focus off for a short time, worked like a charm for Ozzie Guillen when the White Sox won the world series in '05. Go Buzz!
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Crazy like a fox. Remember, Buzz Ball is about the players. All I'm sayin.
Buzz' version of a fight with Bernard Toone? I like it.
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OK, I've read this whole thread. MU06, I didn't see anyone call for Buzz's head, just that he apologize. One thing I didn't see anyone mention: Buzz has only been at Marquette 2 years - any chance he doesn't realize that Mac is an ex-player? He probably does, but you never know.
I have to applaud Buzz for getting the team to 19-2, but does he have a little chip on his shoulder?
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I have to applaud Buzz for getting the team to 19-2, but does he have a little chip on his shoulder?
I assume he does, as his team clearly does, and it has translated into a lot of wins.
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It was weird. Kept waiting for him to stop and be like "....nah I'm just messing with you Mac..." never happened. Chalk it up to misunderstanding. This is Buzz Williams we're talking about..... not you know who (and by you know who, I mean the guy that was wearing the t-shirt today while his team lost to Ohio State at home on ESPN2).....
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(and by you know who, I mean the guy that was wearing the t-shirt today while his team lost to Ohio State at home on ESPN2).....
At the risk of hijacking this tread...thank you for mentioning this, as I was complaining about this at the bar after the game. He did the same thing at MU on 'sneaker day'...is he really above wearing sneakers with a suit? Doesn't that kind of fly in the face of the whole thing? I am a guy who takes some pride in clothes he wears, and I try to look my best, but really?!?!?!? Are you serious?!?!?! You can't wear sneakers with a suit for one game???
The breath of fresh air that is Buzz Williams, seems to get fresher every day.
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I listened to the post game and heard the entire interview. I was surpirsed Buzz reacted the way he did but it was clear that BUzz misinterpreted the question, it is clear the two weeks of media ripping on Mu for not being deserving of their ranking and being untested etc. has him po'd and then thought Jimmy Mac was piling on. He may have also been upset about him looking ahead when Buzz is so focus on ThIS day. Either way Buzz could have handled it better but I am more than happy to give the guy a break, I have always asked the parents of my players to give me at least half an hour after a game before confronting me, the emotions and adrenaline are still at a high level and I know it is not the best time and things can be misconstrued.
But the really funny thing i get out of all this is the following...there has been many Crean versus Buzz threads. And person afetr person have defended one of the biggest a-holes ever under employment at MU, beacuse he was good for the program. Yet Buzz gets upset one time on the radio and people want to rip Him? wow what a double standard. Seems to me the Crean lover should not care about how Buzz handles people becuase he is improving the program. hypocrites
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Someone just posted the interview verbatim on a Facebook MU page:
Jim McIlvaine:
Coach, you've got an 11-game winning streak, 8-0 in the Big East. Obviously the number, the ranking is going down. How do you keep the kids focused and not buying into the hype, and all the ancillary stuff on the outside? How do you get them focused for the next game?
Buzz Williams:
Well, I appreciate what you said Mac. And I know you played here and had a lot of success here. We pay absolutely no attention to anything said by the media, said within the media. And I'm not trying to be condescending, but I don't think you win 11 straight games, eight straight games in the Big East, if you're focusing on the wrong things. And so I'm somewhat offended that you would even ask that. Because what you should talk about is the character and the heart of our players. That's what should be talked about, talking about how we focus for the next game. Why don't you talk about, Mac, how we focused on this game. And why don't you talk about how we focused on every single Big East game. And for you as the home team radio announcer to be asking some sort of question like that, it sounds like you're employed by someone other than Marquette. That's disappointing that you would ask that, being that you're a former player. You should be as proud of the collection of 12 guys that put on the uniform and that absolutely play their heart out at 6-6 and under against great teams on a nightly basis.
Jim McIlvaine:
I'm extremely proud of the guys, coach. I'm just asking if there's anything that you do as a coach to just keep these guys focused. Obviously you're doing a great job of it. I was wondering if there was anything to it.
Buzz Williams:
We'll do the same thing, Mac, that we've done every single day in the 296 days that I've been employed. That's wake up early, that's go to work, and work as long as we can until our eyes fall asleep. That's what we do. That's what we do every day, whether that's in the season or out of the season, non-conference or conference.
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what a bunch of sissies - that conversation is bothering you? Maybe its because I grew up in philadelphia, but this is nothing to get upset about.
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Apparently Mviale is able to interpret tone through simple text.
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"The most important thing to our program is our players," Williams said. "I'm grateful for the opportunity I've been given, but this program is not about Buzz Williams; this program is about our players."
-- Buzz Williams - 4/7/2008
Repeated using different words on 1/31/2009. Issue closed!
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I'm so damn glad that this is the only thing we have to worry about.
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The first thing that came to mind after I heard Buzz's remarks was that the last time I heard that kind of response, it came from Robert Montgomery Knight.
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I'm sure Buzz will be extremely (probably to the point of awkwardness) apologetic about this as he realizes his misunderstanding. It is clear that he must have heard Mac wrong, and I would be surprised, from the Buzz we've seen so far, if he doesn't go much farther than he needs to in order to apologize.
The guy has been awesome this year and has us sitting atop the toughest conference in the country. I'm willing to cut him some slack. I think everyone's being a bit too harsh. I mean, it was clearly a harsh verbal beatdown, but in the context of what was said I have to think he just heard it wrong. I'm more perplexed at what he thought he was asked than infuriated by what he said/how he said it.
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After reading the transcript, Buzz comes off in an even worse light than I thought before reading the transcript. This was straight out of the Bobby Knight playbook - but at least Knight played the game as a player and is generally considered one of the greatest strategists of all time. What a total condescending blow off of Mac.
Buzz needs to grow up a little bit and grow a pair. If he can't handle a winnign streak, how is he ever going to handle a losing streak?
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After reading the transcript, Buzz comes off in an even worse light than I thought before reading the transcript. This was straight out of the Bobby Knight playbook - but at least Knight played the game as a player and is generally considered one of the greatest strategists of all time. What a total condescending blow off of Mac.
Buzz needs to grow up a little bit and grow a pair. If he can't handle a winnign streak, how is he ever going to handle a losing streak?
Grow up a little bit and grow a pair? Seriously? Dude has been killing it so far on the job and you're gonna trash him for this? If anyone needs to suck it up a little, it's probably you and anyone else that's actually offended by this junk. Everyone has been singing his praises, which he deserves, but once he offends someone that the MU old guard holds dear, all the entitled alums jump on the radio/message boards and trash him.
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I'm going to chalk this up to youth and inexperience. Emotions. Buzz will learn. It's unfortunate, but I doubt intentional or with malice.
Big win for Buzz and that probably got the better of him. Jimmy Mac did a great job of just taking his lumps, even though he didn't deserve them, rather than causing a scene.
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I wouldn't say it is the "old/entitled" alums. I went to school after Mac was there and gone, yet I don't think a guy who has been a real solid ambassador for our program deserves to be berated for such a lay-up of a question.
I'm not trying to kill Buzz, but to position this as a "old versus young" item is foolish. I think those of us who believe that Buzz probably didn't put his best foot forward has very little to do with when we graduated.
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Grow up a little bit and grow a pair? Seriously? Dude has been killing it so far on the job and you're gonna trash him for this? If anyone needs to suck it up a little, it's probably you and anyone else that's actually offended by this junk. Everyone has been singing his praises, which he deserves, but once he offends someone that the MU old guard holds dear, all the entitled alums jump on the radio/message boards and trash him.
Give me a break JS. I have not criticized Buzz all year, and I think he did a great job of coaching today. But the interview he gave was horrible, and his treatment of Mac was inexcusable. Buzz came off as jerk in the interview and he deserves to be called out on it. By the way, I was a senior when Mac was a freshman, so I'm not the "old guard."
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I wouldn't say it is the "old/entitled" alums. I went to school after Mac was there and gone, yet I don't think a guy who has been a real solid ambassador for our program deserves to be berated for such a lay-up of a question.
I'm not trying to kill Buzz, but to position this as a "old versus young" item is foolish. I think those of us who believe that Buzz probably didn't put his best foot forward has very little to do with when we graduated.
You're probably right, I just got a little peaved by all the aggression toward Buzz. I think he's earned a little grace is all.
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I turned on the radio after Buzz made his remarks and after listening to the talk show hosts and reading some of the posts I was expecting buzz's words to really be harsh. However, after reading them, I don't think what was said was that big of a deal. Obviously I can't read the "tone" that he said those words with, but still not really concerned. I'm sure he regrets how he replied to the question, but I'm sure Mac will forgive him.
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In Rosiak's blog, it basically says that Mac was saying that everyone was making too big a deal out of things.
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I thought Mac was exceedingly gracious and professional throughout that whole uncomfortable episode. After the break, not only was nothing alluded to, but he further complimented Buzz. Really a class moment for Mac, in my opinion.
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Maybe if "heart" is the generic question....
MacIlviene with his "innate" talent never displayed it.....
Never dominated when he had the chance with all the talent in the world....
Not against Duke in the Sweet 16 .....Not in the pro's with he signed that $36 million 6 year contract that he did not play the last 3 or 4 years of.....
Call it like it is.....
Maybe there is more to this....and Buzz does have a good read.....
I do not think you fly off the handle about it on the radio.....But .....MAC if you think about it.....Is not what Buzz is all about.....
MAC could be one of the most "underachieving" players ever to go to Marquette given his talent....
He could have been right up there with the Ewing et al if he had developed to his fullest!
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Thanks for the laugh burger.
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Maybe if "heart" is the generic question....
MacIlviene with his "innate" talent never displayed it.....
Never dominated when he had the chance with all the talent in the world....
Not against Duke in the Sweet 16 .....Not in the pro's with he signed that $36 million 6 year contract that he did not play the last 3 or 4 years of.....
Call it like it is.....
Maybe there is more to this....and Buzz does have a good read.....
I do not think you fly off the handle about it on the radio.....But .....MAC if you think about it.....Is not what Buzz is all about.....
MAC could be one of the most "underachieving" players ever to go to Marquette given his talent....
He could have been right up there with the Ewing et al if he had developed to his fullest!
Could not disagree more. Mac was tall, that doesn't mean he had talent or certainly not an abundance of it. He did what he could with limited athletic ability, got a paycheck in the show, but I don't see how he underachieved. He simply isn't that great an athlete, but rather has to work hard at it. It doesn't come natural for him.
He might be too nice a guy, as well. Sometimes you need that killer instinct, but I'm not going to fault him for being a nice guy.
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Maybe if "heart" is the generic question....
MacIlviene with his "innate" talent never displayed it.....
Never dominated when he had the chance with all the talent in the world....
Not against Duke in the Sweet 16 .....Not in the pro's with he signed that $36 million 6 year contract that he did not play the last 3 or 4 years of.....
Call it like it is.....
Maybe there is more to this....and Buzz does have a good read.....
I do not think you fly off the handle about it on the radio.....But .....MAC if you think about it.....Is not what Buzz is all about.....
MAC could be one of the most "underachieving" players ever to go to Marquette given his talent....
He could have been right up there with the Ewing et al if he had developed to his fullest!
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Someone just posted the interview verbatim on a Facebook MU page:
Jim McIlvaine:
Coach, you've got an 11-game winning streak, 8-0 in the Big East. Obviously the number, the ranking is going down. How do you keep the kids focused and not buying into the hype, and all the ancillary stuff on the outside? How do you get them focused for the next game?
Buzz Williams:
Well, I appreciate what you said Mac. And I know you played here and had a lot of success here. We pay absolutely no attention to anything said by the media, said within the media. And I'm not trying to be condescending, but I don't think you win 11 straight games, eight straight games in the Big East, if you're focusing on the wrong things. And so I'm somewhat offended that you would even ask that. Because what you should talk about is the character and the heart of our players. That's what should be talked about, talking about how we focus for the next game. Why don't you talk about, Mac, how we focused on this game. And why don't you talk about how we focused on every single Big East game. And for you as the home team radio announcer to be asking some sort of question like that, it sounds like you're employed by someone other than Marquette. That's disappointing that you would ask that, being that you're a former player. You should be as proud of the collection of 12 guys that put on the uniform and that absolutely play their heart out at 6-6 and under against great teams on a nightly basis.
Jim McIlvaine:
I'm extremely proud of the guys, coach. I'm just asking if there's anything that you do as a coach to just keep these guys focused. Obviously you're doing a great job of it. I was wondering if there was anything to it.
Buzz Williams:
We'll do the same thing, Mac, that we've done every single day in the 296 days that I've been employed. That's wake up early, that's go to work, and work as long as we can until our eyes fall asleep. That's what we do. That's what we do every day, whether that's in the season or out of the season, non-conference or conference.
I heard the interview and this sounds correct. When you read Buzz's answer their is no way he is answering Mac's question. It sounds like the question he is answered was "How do you keep focused when the Media says you're over-rated?"
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Wellll .. disagree.
Buzz's first ~4 sentences go directly to Mac's question. So he heard the question, comprehended it, and responded. Then he went off the reservation.
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the only thing i can think of is when mac said "obviously, the number, the ranking is going down." buzz could have heard that as "your run isn't going to last forever" or "this will end soon". there had to be something misunderstood in there.
in the end, i think everyone is flying off the handle.
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Mac messed up. He didn't mention "character" in his question to Buzz. ::)
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Wow - unbelievable.
As the most public face of the university we all love, Buzz has a responsibility to treat others with respect, particularly good guys like Mac who has been a great representative of MU. While we all appreciate the job Buzz has done, it is not only right to come down on Buzz when he acts like an ass, I'd be embarrassed if people weren't outraged by it.
And burger - worst 2nd post in the history of muscoop!
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BTW .. Channel 12's sports just addressed this topic, with comments about "Buzz ripping into Mac" ..
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Hey, burger, did Mac steal your girlfriend, or what? Mac was a fine college center who represented his school well. He did not have overwhelming talent, as you suggest.
Lack of heart? You are kidding, right?
He could have been another Ewing? Absurd.
Alum is right. That was the worst second post in the history of this board.
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Rosiak just added a new blog on the topic.
Something worth reading:
No more than 10 minutes later, Williams was asked a similar question -- how his players were handling the winning -- in his post-game news conference with the largest media contingent at the Bradley Center for an MU game this season to date.
"I probably didn't handle the post-game radio show the right way, so I'll try to handle your question the right way," said Williams. "I've been employed here 297 days, and we handle day the same way. And the thing that bothers me internally, that I try not to voice, is this is a really, really, elite-level, special group.
"And moreso than their wit, moreso than their skill set, partly because of how I'm built, but mostly because how it's been revealed, is our toughness. Toughness is not something that you talk about. Toughness is something that you do every day. And if you go to work every day and everything's good, and if you go home every night and everything's good, I don't think that's toughness.
"And I've been incredibly hard -- moreso than what you guys would know -- on that group of guys. And I am still incredibly hard on that group of guys. And they respond every day. So to succinctly answer your question, we'll do the same thing that we've done the last 297 days. And despite the incremental increase in media coverage, it's not going to change who we are.
"Because our character has been revealed, and we'll continue to work to refine our character, and we'll continue to get better from a skill-set perspective and an intelligence perspective because we've got a lot of season left, and we've got a long, long way to go. When a team shoots 56% for a game, most times that's a loss. We can feel good about the win until midnight, but we have to figure out how to get better defensively, or we may not win another game."
McIlvaine, when reached after the game, implied too much was being made of the incident.
"I think it was just a misunderstanding," he said. "I've already forgotten about it."
Sounds like a contrite Buzz to me.
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Burger... Jimmy Mac is an MU legend. Keep in mind that sweet 16 team was the first to do anything since the Al years. Jimmy absolutely destroyed the all time blocks record. Underachieving and Mac don't belong in the same sentence.
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burger, are you aware that he led the ncaa in blocks? ALL players?
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Well, Jimmy Mac got a 36 million dollar contract in the NBA. He did something right, don't you think Mr. Burger?
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And all await Burger post #3.
I heard it "live" and was taken aback a bit...but nothing like the overreaction on this board.
Sounds like cooler heads have prevailed. A contrite Buzz...a "no big deal" Mac...Homer earning points as peace maker in the 'dust up'...
I'll tell you what sticks in my craw a little bit...and maybe was under Buzz' skin too, is that every time the BEast is mentioned, every one of the 'front runners' (even tho MU has been THE front runner for almost two months now) gets props before MU does. Everyone talks U-Conn, L'Ville, Pitt and until recently G-Town, ND and 'Cuse before they mention Marquette as a legitimate conference champion. I think Bilas was trying to speak to that a little bit when he proclaimed...almost to a NATION of doubters, that "Marquette could win this thing." He was almost surprising himself with that revelation.
I think a little bit of Buzz' angst is rooted in that. And Mac's question was interpreted as a little more of the same, unjustifiably so I might add.
GO WARRIORS...plan to be there and chant that Tuesday night at Allstate.
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the only thing i can think of is when mac said "obviously, the number, the ranking is going down." buzz could have heard that as "your run isn't going to last forever" or "this will end soon". there had to be something misunderstood in there.
in the end, i think everyone is flying off the handle.
I think this is what caused the dust-up. Mac was pointing out that MU has steadily moved up in the national rankings. But Buzz mistook his comment to mean the opposite, that MU is going to start losing as the schedule gets tougher...the notion some in the media have that MU hasn't really played anybody yet. That has to be why he was shocked that a Marquette guy would ask such a question. Unfortunate, but no big deal. It will be interesting, though, to hear the next on-air exchange between Buzz & Mac.
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Clearly Buzz has an issue about keeping his emotions in check at times. Be it this incident...or the sudden snubbing of Jamil Wilson...or calling Fulce and Otule "terrible." However, knowing him he probably knows this and works hard to keep it cool. It just doesn't always work.
Hey, give credit to Mac for letting it slide. This is a non-issue because neither of them will let it become one.
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Maybe if "heart" is the generic question....
MacIlviene with his "innate" talent never displayed it.....
Never dominated when he had the chance with all the talent in the world....
Not against Duke in the Sweet 16 .....Not in the pro's with he signed that $36 million 6 year contract that he did not play the last 3 or 4 years of.....
Call it like it is.....
Maybe there is more to this....and Buzz does have a good read.....
I do not think you fly off the handle about it on the radio.....But .....MAC if you think about it.....Is not what Buzz is all about.....
MAC could be one of the most "underachieving" players ever to go to Marquette given his talent....
He could have been right up there with the Ewing et al if he had developed to his fullest!
Wow--this post is more mind boggling than the Buzz interview. Did you ever see Mac play? I would go the other direction and say Mac worked hard to turn limited athletic ability into a solid NCAA career and nice NBA contract. He had to endure the abuse O'Neill put on him (and everyone) and turned into a solid player. There's no question he wasn't on the same level athletically as just about everyone in the NBA, but he had a knack for blocking shots and he parlayed that into a decent career and a nice lifestyle back home for himself.
Mac is a nice guy and a real good representative of the program....Buzz will apologize and it'll be done.....
Buzz is doing a hell of a job, no question about it. It's also pretty apparent he's quirky, obsessive compulsive, emotional and sometimes a little strange. All that said, he seems like he's got a big heart, understands his limitations and works his ass off. He's created a pressure cooker for himself with the success they are having...will be fun to see it play out.
This is not a rip on the former regime, but I truly don't believe we'd be 19-2, 8-0 without the change. This has to be good for Buzz in terms of earning credibility before the struggles that are likely ahead in the next couple years. Wonder what Mr. Hurley at St. Anthony's would have to say about Buzz now??
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Am I missing something here or is this being blow way out of porportion?
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Am I missing something here or is this being blow way out of porportion?
How is it being blown out of proportion? People talking about boorish behavior in a chat room, and saying he owes an apology is hardly blowing it out of proportion. People aren't saying Buzz is a bad person or that he should be punished. Isn't this exactly what chat rooms are for?
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It is probably being blown out of proportion. But the whole episode was so uncharacteristic of Buzz that most people on this Board and in the general public are scratching their heads. He sounded like a lunatic, there is no getting around that bit of unpleasantness.
I believe most people are giving him the benefit of the doubt, a bad day, a misunderstanding, adrenaline after a big win, whatever . . .
I hope it doesn't happen again, and I'm willing to bet it won't. I'm trying to focus on DePaul now.
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It's very much being blown out of proportion.
What's funny is that Buzz admitted that he didn't handle it right. And when Mac was approached about it he said
"McIlvaine, when reached after the game, implied too much was being made of the incident.
"I think it was just a misunderstanding," he said. "I've already forgotten about it."" http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/goldeneagles.html
So if the "victim" is saying it's blown out of proportion and he's already forgotten about it, then can we all forget about it? This has surpassed ridiculous
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It was a stupid mistake by Buzz.
He's human.
It'll be fine.
However, to be fair, if this was the former coach, you'd see posts like:
"This is just another example of how Crean disrespects the former players (like Brute Force) because he thinks he's bigger than MU. What an arogant SOB."
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It was a stupid mistake by Buzz.
He's human.
It'll be fine.
However, to be fair, if this was the former coach, you'd see posts like:
"This is just another example of how Crean disrespects the former players (like Brute Force) because he thinks he's bigger than MU. What an arogant SOB."
With Buzz their is no previous examples and 10 minutes later he regretted how he answered the question.
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It's very much being blown out of proportion.
What's funny is that Buzz admitted that he didn't handle it right. And when Mac was approached about it he said
"McIlvaine, when reached after the game, implied too much was being made of the incident.
"I think it was just a misunderstanding," he said. "I've already forgotten about it."" http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/goldeneagles.html
So if the "victim" is saying it's blown out of proportion and he's already forgotten about it, then can we all forget about it? This has surpassed ridiculous
This is probably fair. However, it isn't as though Mac had a lot of other choices. What was he supposed to do, stomp his foot like a petulant child and say he demands Buzz owes him an apology. He handled the situation in really the only way a classy person like him would.
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It's very much being blown out of proportion.
So if the "victim" is saying it's blown out of proportion and he's already forgotten about it, then can we all forget about it? This has surpassed ridiculous
It never was blown out of proportion. Buzz acted like idiot, he admitted it, and many people noticed it and commented on it. I haven't seen ONE person call for his head or even a suspension, fine or anything of that nature. The most I saw was a public apology, which he is yet to give.
If we were in the middle of the BEAST pack he wouldn't have nearly the number of people willing to accept what he did. For someone who preaches character I thought he showed poor character, and I like many others, took notice. That's all. Show me one post where anyone thought he should do anything more than apologize. How's is that blowing the situation out of proportion?
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My take is that Buzz has earned some credits for the way he has handled his duties this year. And while I feel uncomfortable with his public criticisms of marginal players like Otule and Fulce, well that's his way of dealing with his players. However, he was wrong and it seems to me he has to follow his own advice. Do the right thing. He called out Mac in public. The appropriate thing to do is man up and apologize in public. Do it now and let's move on with this incredibly great season because no one if we'll ever see another like this in our lifetime. As a Cub fan I can attest to that.
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This is being blown out of proportion. It was an honest mistake by Buzz to misinterpret the question and provide a response that could have been worded differently using a better tone to not "attack" a great ambassador of Marquette. Buzz has shown us he is an emotional person and I believe that's the reason for the response.
However, since both sides say it's a non-issue, that's exactly what it is. No harm, no foul, no black mark on the program. Just be thankful this didn't happen on national radio/TV. I'll only be concerned if Ed Werder shows up at the Al to monitor the daily actions of the program.
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This is being blown out of proportion.
You think? Its only fans that have been proven wrong and cant find anything to complain about, so they see a minor sign of weakness and jump on it.
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Clearly Buzz has an issue about keeping his emotions in check at times. Be it this incident...or the sudden snubbing of Jamil Wilson...or calling Fulce and Otule "terrible." However, knowing him he probably knows this and works hard to keep it cool. It just doesn't always work.
I think this is a bit unfair-
1) Buzz gave Wilson every shot to commit. Wilson's dad said he was going to commit, Buzz told them to come up and they never showed. His recruitment has been so bizarre that it was not a "sudden snubbing" by Buzz.
2) I think it was pretty lear the "pitiful" comments were to keep expectations in check with those guys. Truth be told, they did some good things but were pretty bad in a lot of areas, stuff coaches pay close attention to. I didn't think that was an issue of controlling emotions at all.
There's no doubt that the pressure is mounting, and he's never had anything like this. But the tone of some of these posts painting him as emotionally unstable or out of control are ridiculous. He misunderstood a question, and reacted poorly. A rookie head coach, I'll give him a mulligan.
As someone else said, if this is all we have to complain about life is good.
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I listened to the game on XM radio's Big East network and the feed covered the post game. Living out of town, this was really my first chance to hear Buzz talk, um...ramble. My first thought was Buzz misunderstood the question and Jim or his co-host would help smooth over the situation. When they did not, I wondered if this collision was brewing for sometime. (kind of like Ozzie and Mike North on the SCORE).The comments were way too personal and seemed to reflect his longstanding opinion that MU should not have these guys on the payroll. One thing is for sure, more people will tune into the post game show.
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Whatever happended to Buzz's lawsuit in New Orleans. what was that about anyway. We never got any kind of details on what went down there.