This guy is a joke. If it's not his finger nail, it's a "stiff forearm" or a stubbed toe.
I hope I'm wrong, but, I'd say, despite the best efforts of owner and GM, it's over.
ESPN was calling this the biggest game of Sheet's career coming off of a C.C. loss and the situation the Brewers are in.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 17, 2008, 10:08:09 PM
ESPN was calling this the biggest game of Sheet's career coming off of a C.C. loss and the situation the Brewers are in.
This was the biggest game of his career. As a Brewers fan I am looking forward to the compensatory picks we will get when he signs with another team and gets his oft-injured forearm/groin/finger/hamstring/shoulder/inner-ear out of town.
Quote from: Wareagle on September 17, 2008, 10:15:43 PM
This was the biggest game of his career. As a Brewers fan I am looking forward to the compensatory picks we will get when he signs with another team and gets his oft-injured forearm/groin/finger/hamstring/shoulder/inner-ear out of town.
Trust me you'll love it when he's gone. I know I'm pleased Prior is gone.
If he's had elbow problems as he claimed, and he felt it in the forearm, that's big trouble.
I partially tore the ulnar collateral ligament in my elbow, and that's where the discomfort starts... right below the elbow on the forearm, and it can radiate down the arm into the fingers. The doctor said that had I been a pro baseball player, I would need Tommy John surgery. Since I was far from that, I could not throw or lift for 2 months to let it heal.
I'll put it this way, I wouldn't be shocked if Dr. James Andrews' phone was ringing by the end of the week.
here's the story...
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=796320 (http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=796320)
QuoteVictory comes at a cost
Brewers' starter might be finished for the season
By TOM HAUDRICOURT
thaudricourt@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Sept. 17, 2008
Chicago - Even when something finally went right for the desperate Milwaukee Brewers, it came with a large dose of bad news.
The Brewers finally won a game Wednesday night, snapping a five-game losing streak by toppling the Chicago Cubs, 6-2, at Wrigley Field but might have lost the services of right-hander Ben Sheets for the remainder of the season.
Sheets departed after two innings with what was called "forearm tightness." He revealed after the game, however, that he has an ailing elbow that has bothered him for some time, to the point of receiving an injection a couple of weeks ago.
"My elbow has been bothering me for awhile now," said Sheets, who began feeling discomfort again while facing Derrek Lee in the first inning. "We've been fighting it off for awhile. I couldn't get the ball where I needed.
"We got an MRI earlier and it's not anything structural. The first time I felt it was in St. Louis (Aug. 26). We've done a great job since then, keeping me out there. It hurts. It felt great for awhile but today it kind of went backwards."
Asked if he thought he could pitch again this season, Sheets said, "It's been so up and down that I would think it's very possible. There's been really good days. There's been really bad days. There's been days that it's hard to move and it's stiff, then the next day it's free."
Sheets, who surrendered a second-inning homer to Aramis Ramirez before exiting, was scheduled to make two more starts in the remaining 10 games, including the season finale against the Cubs. If he is unable to pitch again, it would greatly harm the Brewers' playoff hopes.
It was the second consecutive year that Sheets had to be removed from a start in the next-to-last week of the season, with the Brewers battling for the playoffs. Last year, he strained a hamstring warming up between innings in Houston and did not pitch again.
The Brewers finished 5-7 without Sheets and the Cubs won the NL Central by two games
Dale Sveum, who picked up his first victory as interim manager as the Brewers remained a half-game behind New York for the NL wild-card lead, said he didn't think Sheets' elbow problem was serious but admitted to some concern.
"When one of your best pitchers is sore and can't get loose, of course your worry about him," Sveum said after the Brewers won for only the fourth time in 16 games this month.
Sheets' early departure forced Sveum to use seven relief pitchers to cover the remaining seven innings. Right-hander Mark DiFelice got the ball rolling with two scoreless innings and later was rewarded with his first major-league victory.
"It's an unbelievable feeling," said DiFelice, who pitched 11 seasons in the minors before making it up with the Brewers earlier in the season. "I didn't realize what was going on (with Sheets) until they called my name in the bullpen.
"It didn't hit me until I was on the mound that I was actually pitching. Being a September call-up, knowing my role is pitching later in games, for them to go to me in that situation felt great. This is a dream come true for me."
Prince Fielder, who hit two home runs Tuesday night, again ignited the offense with a three-run double in the first inning off Cubs right-hander Jason Marquis. The Brewers spent the next several innings wasting opportunities against Marquis before finally breaking through for three runs in the seventh off Chicago's bullpen.
Reliever Angel Guzman plunked Braun with a pitch and Fielder continued his search-and-destroy mission with a sharp single to right, putting runners on the corners. J.J. Hardy smashed a double to right-center, scoring Braun and sending Fielder to third.
Corey Hart then snapped out of a dreadful 2-for-37 drought, smacking a two-run single to left to make it 6-1. The Cubs scored a meaningless run off Salomon Torres in the ninth before the Brewers retired to the cramped visiting clubhouse to give Sveum a beer shower in celebration of his first "W" as a big-league skipper.
The Best topic title in many months!!!
Quote from: sigep80 on September 18, 2008, 08:49:30 AM
The Best topic title in many months!!!
agreed. I got a lot of strange looks from colleagues when i laughed after reading this title.
he's so good when he's in the game. It seems like there are so many injury prone pitchers in baseball. You have to wonder what's causing it. Pushing themselves too hard in the weight room? It use to be 92 mph was a good fast ball, now it's becoming avg.
Quote from: RawdogDX on September 18, 2008, 02:35:28 PM
he's so good when he's in the game. It seems like there are so many injury prone pitchers in baseball. You have to wonder what's causing it. Pushing themselves too hard in the weight room? It use to be 92 mph was a good fast ball, now it's becoming avg.
I believe there are coddled way too much when they are young; thus the pitchers become fragile.
Quote from: jmayer1 on September 18, 2008, 03:18:56 PM
I believe there are coddled way too much when they are young; thus the pitchers become fragile.
young like 20 or young like 16? I see what you are saying but prior and wood weren't coddled.
If you look at a young pitcher today, let's say samarjza. He throws at about 96 mph and has gotten it up to 98 (i realize that the radar guns sometimes read a bit high). If he had grown up in the 70's and started pitching in the late 80's without the same kind of weight training he may only be throwing at around 93-95. Could it be possible that the tendons that could support a 93 mph fast ball are going to snap under the torque it takes to hurl one 98? (god forbid, yes i literally knocked on wood after typing that)
Quote from: RawdogDX on September 18, 2008, 04:36:12 PM
young like 20 or young like 16? I see what you are saying but prior and wood weren't coddled.
If you look at a young pitcher today, let's say samarjza. He throws at about 96 mph and has gotten it up to 98 (i realize that the radar guns sometimes read a bit high). If he had grown up in the 70's and started pitching in the late 80's without the same kind of weight training he may only be throwing at around 93-95. Could it be possible that the tendons that could support a 93 mph fast ball are going to snap under the torque it takes to hurl one 98? (god forbid, yes i literally knocked on wood after typing that)
young like 12 to 18
i don't think the guys necessarily throw much harder than those in the 70s or 80s, look at nolan ryan or bob gibson or go way back to walter johnson, guys today just aren't used to pitching as much or as often as they did in the old days
I think the real reason for the fragility of pitchers now a day is the amount of baseball they play coming up to the bigs. People don't just grow up playing pick up baseball or little league baseball anymore, the best players (read future pros) all start playing travel ball when they are like 7 at the oldest. They play 40+ games plus offseason workouts that give their arms no time to recover. It is ESPECIALLY important for young arms to rest when the tendons and bone structure is still developing. I believe, and I read an article to this effect, I believe in the NE Journal of medicine but im not positive, that the overuse as kid leads to some unseen structural damage which eventually comes to be seen after years and years of overuse and accrued damage. Just a theory. But really, if you think about all the players that are injury prone they all seem to be American, with the long histroy of travel ball (Wood, Prior, Sheets, Beckett) but not so much the Latin or Japanese players... I think this really helps prove my point.
You guys are missing the point of this entire thread. Compare Zambrano to Sheets. Zambrano would rather eat his own fecal matter than take himself out of a game with a stiff forearm. Are you kidding me? Pitch through it, you pansy. The point is Sheets doesn't know the difference between being hurt and being injured. There's a helluva lot more than hard luck involved when a guy like Sheets comes up with a different injury EVERY MONTH!
This is a guy the Brewers pay a boatload of money to and THEY CANNOT COUNT ON HIM!
Quote from: RedWebster on September 18, 2008, 09:29:43 PM
You guys are missing the point of this entire thread. Compare Zambrano to Sheets. Zambrano would rather eat his own fecal matter than take himself out of a game with a stiff forearm. Are you kidding me? Pitch through it, you pansy. The point is Sheets doesn't know the difference between being hurt and being injured. There's a helluva lot more than hard luck involved when a guy like Sheets comes up with a different injury EVERY MONTH!
This is a guy the Brewers pay a boatload of money to and THEY CANNOT COUNT ON HIM!
Not disagreeing that Sheets is more injury-prone than Zambrano or anything, but correct me if I'm wrong here: Zambrano DID take himself out of a game earlier this year FOR THAT EXACT SAME THING! Tightness in the forearm and he might have missed 1 game after that. Sheets could miss the season. So again, yes Sheets is frustrating because he misses a ton of time for sometimes small things, but don't say something when Zambrano actually did exactly that.