I dont have scout so I cannot read this article, but can anyone summarize what it is saying?
http://ucla.scout.com/a.z?s=12&p=2&c=784667&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fucla.scout.com%2f2%2f784667.html
official visits with Florida State, UCLA, Marquette, Missouri and then possibly Kansas or Memphis...looking for a good coaching staff to make him a better player. Says he will be ready to commit when visits are made.
Any dates for the visits?
With Marquette's excellent coaching staff, and a genuine opportunity to contribute immediately at Marquette, I think Snaer will find the staff can take his game to the next level, and he will be able to demonstrate that on a regular basis - seems like a great fit, and a win/win. And, we'd love Snaer here at Marquette.
Quote from: MUONTOP on August 30, 2008, 12:44:45 PM
Any dates for the visits?
Not yet. He says his coach is in the process of setting up the visits.
Quote from: Daniel on August 30, 2008, 08:34:51 PM
With Marquette's excellent coaching staff...
With the recruiting successes we have had, I am as optimistic as the next guy, but what evidence is there that the coaching staff is "excellent?"
Quote from: jce on August 31, 2008, 08:10:00 AM
With the recruiting successes we have had, I am as optimistic as the next guy, but what evidence is there that the coaching staff is "excellent?"
Jce is right - our coaching team is a bunch of yahoos with no experience -lets give up and recruit some 1-2 star kids.
Hopefully he gets to visit late Sept/Oct when the weather's beautiful in WI.
I believe most think Buzz assembled a pretty good staff. Good enough to go out and recruit a top 10 class by just about any ranking service, and good enough for top 100 players to evaluate and commit. I think they will be excellent, have a balance ot developing bigs and others, and can recruit. So, I think Snaer would find a nice home here, and if he scours the college boards, I think he should find the info he needs to help him make a decision - lol.
Quote from: mviale on August 31, 2008, 09:38:15 AM
Jce is right - our coaching team is a bunch of yahoos with no experience -lets give up and recruit some 1-2 star kids.
I never said that we should do that...in fact I never said they were bad. But when we have a kid that is considering the likes of Kansas and UCLA, the evidence is that they have much better coaching staffs. Hopefully Buzz and Co. will be right up there, but again, what evidence do you have that they are "excellent" and can make players better?
Benford's efforts recruiting and coaching efforts have helped develop all-conference caliber players at each of the stops during his coaching career. Three of those individuals, Ike Diogu (Arizona St. - Indiana Pacers), Eddie House (Arizona St. - Boston Celtics) and Kenny Thomas (New Mexico - Sacramento Kings) are currently featured on NBA rosters.
Layer has also demonstrated the ability to develop talent, including former Colorado State center Jason Smith. The seven-footer scored over 1,500 points for Layer's Rams during his three seasons with the program before entering the NBA Draft following his junior campaign. Due to his development under Layer's tutelage, Smith was chosen with the 20th selection of the NBA Draft's first round by the Miami Heat. His rights were traded to the Philadelphia 76ers, with whom he recently completed a solid rookie season. Several of Layer's recruiting classes at Colorado State were ranked among the top 40 nationally by various recruiting publication
Prior to UNO, Williams served as an assistant coach and recruiting coordinator at Texas A&M for two seasons (2004-05 - 2005-06) under head coach Billy Gillispie. Both of his recruiting classes with the Aggies were ranked among the best in the nation and featured some of the top-ranked talent at the prep level. The squad made its first NCAA Tournament appearance in 25 years in 2005-06 and the previous team posted the top turnaround in the nation, improving its win total in 2004-05 by 14 games compared to 2003-04.
Sounds pretty run-of-the-mill when compared to the other schools on the list. Who knows how they will develop, and believe me, I *want* them to be excellent, but that is a reach to me.
Simple fact is that no one knows how good of a coach Buzz will be. We know the man can recruit and if the kid is making a visit and gives us a shot, I have faith Buzz will make a good impression. I can only imagine how good recruiting classes will be if he gets a good season underneath his belt and/or gets some good publicity about good coaching skills.
GO MU
Quote from: mviale on August 31, 2008, 09:38:15 AM
Jce is right - our coaching team is a bunch of yahoos with no experience -lets give up and recruit some 1-2 star kids.
Where did he say any of that in the post?
Quote from: jce on August 31, 2008, 02:26:55 PM
I never said that we should do that...in fact I never said they were bad. But when we have a kid that is considering the likes of Kansas and UCLA, the evidence is that they have much better coaching staffs. Hopefully Buzz and Co. will be right up there, but again, what evidence do you have that they are "excellent" and can make players better?
You only need one to believe.
Before O'Neill showed up MacIlvane hadn't considered Marquette at all and was rumored to be signing with UCLA - we all know what happened. And that was when the basketball team practiced out of the Old Gym, not the amazing and stunning AL.
Snaer will visit MU on Sept. 20.
SEP 20th? Too bad we can't get him there for Midnight Madness...
Quote from: muarmy81 on September 03, 2008, 11:36:53 AM
SEP 20th? Too bad we can't get him there for Midnight Madness...
cuz that made a huge difference the last few times it's happened...
we still are slated for the final visit so you can't complain especially if hes just looking to get them out of the way asap
yeah, generally you want to either have the first visit, and convince him to commit before going anywhere else, or the last, and hope since you are fresh in his mind, he picks you.
Is there any way, assuming they has a spot for him, that he doesn't go to UCLA? I'm sure he's interested in the thought of starting as a freshman, but I would think it'd be hard to turn down UCLA.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on September 03, 2008, 05:17:18 PM
Is there any way, assuming they has a spot for him, that he doesn't go to UCLA? I'm sure he's interested in the thought of starting as a freshman, but I would think it'd be hard to turn down UCLA.
His handlers want him to play right away. At UCLA, he doesn't start freshman year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 03, 2008, 05:48:29 PM
His handlers want him to play right away. At UCLA, he doesn't start freshman year.
He might give that demand a second thought after he sees the cheerleading squad.
We do have PT to offer, but that makes me wonder where EWilliams and Maymon fall in the equation.
Cadougan at the 1, Snaer at the 2, Williams or Maymon at the 3, Lazar at the 4, and Otule/McMorrow at the 5. You would have to wonder who gets the start between Williams and Maymon. Williams seems like the kind of guy who would be willing to come off the bench, and with his versatility is pretty much the ideal sixth man. I can't keep thinking about this though, it seems like Shumpert redux...
I don't have scout or rivals so I was just wondering who else he is visiting.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on September 03, 2008, 05:57:22 PM
Cadougan at the 1, Snaer at the 2, Williams or Maymon at the 3, Lazar at the 4, and Otule/McMorrow at the 5. You would have to wonder who gets the start between Williams and Maymon. Williams seems like the kind of guy who would be willing to come off the bench, and with his versatility is pretty much the ideal sixth man. I can't keep thinking about this though, it seems like Shumpert redux...
Wasn't Maymon promised starting time already? Any chance Snaer is a one-and-done? Go get him Buzz, bring home a Top-5 recruiting class your first year of full recruiting.
Quote from: strobl2 on September 03, 2008, 07:47:44 PM
I don't have scout or rivals so I was just wondering who else he is visiting.
Of late I know shooter Ethan Wragge, PF Sam Dower have been to MU. PF Ray Turner from Texas is supposed to be visiting again.
Quote from: Stone Cold on September 03, 2008, 09:20:25 PM
Of late I know shooter Ethan Wragge, PF Sam Dower have been to MU. PF Ray Turner from Texas is supposed to be visiting again.
Would be nice to get a ligit 6'9 PF, shooter would be great but it sounds like Buycks, Hayward, Junior, Butler, and E. Williams will be able to shoot it in 09-10...plus cubillan and acker will be seniors. Maybe a SG would be a better fit in 2010.
Is Sept. 20 Al's Run? If Buzz doesn't wear those hideous sunglasses like Crean wore last year for the event, Snaer may actually commit.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on September 03, 2008, 05:57:22 PM
Cadougan at the 1, Snaer at the 2, Williams or Maymon at the 3, Lazar at the 4, and Otule/McMorrow at the 5.
I would think it would be Maymon at the 4 and Lazar at the 3, with Williams being the first off the bench for spots 2-4 (with Lazar sliding over if EW comes in for Maymon).
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 04, 2008, 08:43:25 AM
Is Sept. 20 Al's Run? If Buzz doesn't wear those hideous sunglasses like Crean wore last year for the event, Snaer may actually commit.
It is indeed on 9/20.
Man, I forgot what a tool he looked like with those shades:
(http://www.muscoop.com/uploads/200708/Al%27s%20Run_0203_w.JPG)
OMG, the guy is such a D-Bag.
Quote from: Vanilla1840 on September 03, 2008, 07:57:46 PM
Wasn't Maymon promised starting time already? Any chance Snaer is a one-and-done? Go get him Buzz, bring home a Top-5 recruiting class your first year of full recruiting.
From the quotes, it would seem Maymon has assurances it's his spot to lose. It also seems the PG spot is Cadougan's to lose. And considering the high level of talent Snaer brings you'd have to assume the SG would be his to lose.
That said, I wonder if Buycks rethinks his future if Snaer commits. When Buycks committed it looked like there was a lot of playing time available at the 1 and 2 spots but Cadougan and Snaer could be 25 minute/game players which would only leave 30 minutes to split between Seniors Cubillan and Acker and JUCO Buycks. I highly doubt all three would be satisfied in that situation.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on September 04, 2008, 09:55:56 AM
OMG, the guy is such a D-Bag.
You can call Crean a D-Bag for many things, but supporting Al's Run (no matter what he wears) is not one of them. I hope you simply forgot the teal on that one.
Quote from: muarmy81 on September 03, 2008, 11:36:53 AM
SEP 20th? Too bad we can't get him there for Midnight Madness...
cuz that made a huge difference the last few times it's happened...
Are you refferring to Erik Wiliams committing last year as a Junior top 40 recruit?
Crean is a d-bag without the glasses...too.
Quote from: jmayer1 on September 04, 2008, 11:08:15 AM
You can call Crean a D-Bag for many things, but supporting Al's Run (no matter what he wears) is not one of them. I hope you simply forgot the teal on that one.
Nope, still a d-bag....I know plenty of people, including myself, that have supported Al's run, and none of them have worn glasses like that.
I'm not sure why people think with Snaer, and Junior as freshman, no Soph, Buycks as a junior and Acker and DC as senior how this would be a log Jam? Last year we had Scott, acker and DC, James, McNeal and Wes? that is only really 5 guards and my guess is either DC or Acker would end up being the 5th of the bench? I know Butler can play some guard but my guess is he probably is more of a Wing.
totally agree not only is their absolutely no log jam whatsoever, 2 of those guys are seniors and neither of them is really starting a BE caliber 2 guard. Even thos i love cubi he is more of a shooting Pg. I have said all summer our biggest need is a high caliber 2G. We are very thin at the guard spot. Pure math says 40% of a 2 g 2forward 1 center lineup is guards, take that against 13 scholarship players and the average is 5.2. How can 5 guards be a logjam, especially in a 3 guard offense the number should be more like 7 guards.
The logjam argument is dumb...and apart froma guy like Shumpert who is probably the first McDonalds all american that i have ever heard of being concerned with not being good enough to get amjor minutes if not start right away. When you are that good being concerned with playing time is the last thing on a guy like that's mind. Shumpert was the rare exception and even then his story was alittle different in that the 3 amigos would be back and they have nothing to do with teh Snaer equation.
Since the last two are clearly directed at me it should be noted that if Cadougan and Snaer are as good as advertised they start as Freshman & Sophomores hands down.
During their first year, they'll have two seniors in Cubillan and Acker who will backup simply because of rest issues but more importantly because of experience issues.
This leaves Buycks picking up spot duty minutes unless we suffer an injury (because the 3 spot will be fought between Hayward, Maymon, Fulce Butler, or Williams). Being on spot duty his first season and being a bench player his second season it may not swallow easily for a guy some think is the best JUCO player in the nation, especially considering Buycks will only have two seasons to realize his Division I dream.
Not saying Buycks would leave or that he should leave due to a numbers game. Just saying it's something the think about.
Nola...
Are you kidding me?! maybe we should just have 5 guys that way no one has to worry about looking over his shoulder and we do not have any competion for playing time in practice. That would make for a really great team and even more importantly the kids would be really happy all the time.
Boy your last post makes me wonder if you ever played a compettive sport in your lifetime.
Heres my take....If buycks is as good as some say he has absolutelynothing to worry about, Buzz, like any other coach is going to have his 5 best players on the coaurt. For Mu the last number of years that has been 3 and at times 4 guards. If in 2009 junior, Buycks and Snaer are 3 of the best 5 they will be on the coaurt. if Buycks is not all some have made him to be he will not be out there much, if he gets hurt not at all and we are very thin and weak at the 2.
Buzz will want the best players he can find, remeber people like you dont think he should have gotten the job, and also think he should be fired immediately if he does not perform. Yet you question wether he should be recruitng a mcDoanalds all-american??? WOW!! WOW!!