I spoke with a long time Badger season ticket holder, who also happens to have close ties to Maymon's AAU team. Here is a summary of his thoughts on Maymon
1. Really wishes UW would have gone after him harder
2. Best player from the state of WI he has personally ever seen
- caveat: not sure how many that entails but Mathews, Nankivil, Butch
Novak, Diener at a minimum
3. Doesn't think his grades will be an issue because prior to this year he didn't
make the effort. Not a dumb kid.
4. His dad is a nightmare and doesn't do his son any favors
This guy is by no means a basketball expert but he definitely watches a ton of it so take it for what it's worth.
The "dad" is why Crean & Ryan didn't go after Maymon----always on the phone to the coach telling him how to do his job-----isn't satisfied unless his kid is the "go to guy"-----runs up and down the sidelines during games hollering instructions to his son.
Quote from: MUSF on August 08, 2008, 10:04:19 PM
I spoke with a long time Badger season ticket holder, who also happens to have close ties to Maymon's AAU team. Here is a summary of his thoughts on Maymon
1. Really wishes UW would have gone after him harder
2. Best player from the state of WI he has personally ever seen
- caveat: not sure how many that entails but Mathews, Nankivil, Butch
Novak, Diener at a minimum
3. Doesn't think his grades will be an issue because prior to this year he didn't
make the effort. Not a dumb kid.
4. His dad is a nightmare and doesn't do his son any favors
This guy is by no means a basketball expert but he definitely watches a ton of it so take it for what it's worth.
If thisis true, 3 out of 4 is fine by me.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 09, 2008, 07:35:30 AM
The "dad" is why Crean & Ryan didn't go after Maymon----always on the phone to the coach telling him how to do his job-----isn't satisfied unless his kid is the "go to guy"-----runs up and down the sidelines during games hollering instructions to his son.
I'm sure the BC ushers & security guys will keep him seated.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 09, 2008, 07:35:30 AM
The "dad" is why Crean & Ryan didn't go after Maymon----always on the phone to the coach telling him how to do his job-----isn't satisfied unless his kid is the "go to guy"-----runs up and down the sidelines during games hollering instructions to his son.
Insert internet for phone and you are describing the 1800 Scoopers who do the same thing. So how is an overinvolved parent who cheerleads for his kid a new story? The parents did the right thing for the kid, pulling him our of club this summer and getting his grades in order, saying they picked MU because of the type of school it is AND the basketball program. Sounds like a great situation--a parent who loves his son and took the time to pick, what the entire family thought, was the perfect school, is the type of recruit I would want if I was head coach. Beats dealing with an overbearing handler/hs coach/shoe company salesman from NJ.
Welcome Maymons!
Quote from: MUSF on August 08, 2008, 10:04:19 PM
I spoke with a long time Badger season ticket holder, who also happens to have close ties to Maymon's AAU team. Here is a summary of his thoughts on Maymon
1. Really wishes UW would have gone after him harder
2. Best player from the state of WI he has personally ever seen
- caveat: not sure how many that entails but Mathews, Nankivil, Butch
Novak, Diener at a minimum
3. Doesn't think his grades will be an issue because prior to this year he didn't
make the effort. Not a dumb kid.
4. His dad is a nightmare and doesn't do his son any favors
This guy is by no means a basketball expert but he definitely watches a ton of it so take it for what it's worth.
1. His father said as much.
2. Maymon may be the best player from WI your friend has personally seen. He is not by far the best player to come out of WI.
3. Anyway you look at this statement it is not a positive. Maymon did try hard enough to attempt to cheat on his test. All you can hope for is that Jeronne has matured.
4. There has been attempt to downplay this after Maymon's commitment. Buzz had better set the ground rules early with dad and not waver.
Quote from: Pardner on August 09, 2008, 09:33:16 AM
Insert internet for phone and you are describing the 1800 Scoopers who do the same thing. So how is an overinvolved parent who cheerleads for his kid a new story? The parents did the right thing for the kid, pulling him our of club this summer and getting his grades in order, saying they picked MU because of the type of school it is AND the basketball program. Sounds like a great situation--a parent who loves his son and took the time to pick, what the entire family thought, was the perfect school, is the type of recruit I would want if I was head coach. Beats dealing with an overbearing handler/hs coach/shoe company salesman from NJ.
Welcome Maymons!
murf is correct in this instance. Dad is an extreme case. This has been well known for a long time. It has been downplayed by some when Marquette became serious in its recruitment of Maymon.
I am sure dad does love his son. That does not make some of his actions any less palatable or potentially problematic.
Quote from: dennycrane on August 09, 2008, 09:46:38 AM
1. His father said as much.
2. Maymon may be the best player from WI your friend has personally seen. He is not by far the best player to come out of WI.
3. Anyway you look at this statement it is not a positive. Maymon did try hard enough to attempt to cheat on his test. All you can hope for is that Jeronne has matured.
4. There has been attempt to downplay this after Maymon's commitment. Buzz had better set the ground rules early with dad and not waver.
1. I don't care if UW went after him hard or not. There is a reason Ryan has a reputation as not being a very good recruiter. He gets guys for his system. A system that can only take teams so far against better talent (see the NCAA tournement results).
2. Who would you say is the best in the last 15/20 years. People can have different opinions. He has yours and you have yours. Your opinion is not definitive, so don't act like it is.
3. You never had any friends in high school who screwed around and didn't try hard the first 2/3 years but eventually got their heads screwed on straight and started taking a real interest and ended up becoming real successful? Because I sure as hell saw a lot of people like this. Also, making unfounded statements about cheating on tests is just ignorant and stupid.
4. This is major division 1 basketball, not the junior varsity at some high school. Any college coach worth his money should be able to let the dad know that. I don't think you would ever see Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino...etc not recruit a kid because of his dad, no matter how over-bearing or obnoxious he was/is.
Quote from: jmayer1 on August 09, 2008, 11:31:22 AM
1. I don't care if UW went after him hard or not. There is a reason Ryan has a reputation as not being a very good recruiter. He gets guys for his system. A system that can only take teams so far against better talent (see the NCAA tournement results).
2. Who would you say is the best in the last 15/20 years. People can have different opinions. He has yours and you have yours. Your opinion is not definitive, so don't act like it is.
3. You never had any friends in high school who screwed around and didn't try hard the first 2/3 years but eventually got their heads screwed on straight and started taking a real interest and ended up becoming real successful? Because I sure as hell saw a lot of people like this. Also, making unfounded statements about cheating on tests is just ignorant and stupid.
4. This is major division 1 basketball, not the junior varsity at some high school. Any college coach worth his money should be able to let the dad know that. I don't think you would ever see Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino...etc not recruit a kid because of his dad, no matter how over-bearing or obnoxious he was/is.
I disagree about coaches not deferring because of a family member. Parents can be a huge pain in a coaches rear end----especially parents who are close enough to attend all the games. Out of love for their son they sometimes have blinders on and will plant negatives in their son, which can not only affect his play but his teammates play as well (e.g. negatives about a certain player-----negatives about the coach, etc).
Quote from: Murffieus on August 09, 2008, 11:55:38 AM
I disagree about coaches not deferring because of a family member. Parents can be a huge pain in a coaches rear end----especially parents who are close enough to attend all the games. Out of love for their son they sometimes have blinders on and will plant negatives in their son, which can not only affect his play but his teammates play as well (e.g. negatives about a certain player-----negatives about the coach, etc).
Didn't Madison Memorial barely miss out on the WIAA Championship last year?-----Couldn't have been too big of a distraction. Heck he must have been a help!
Quote from: jmayer1 on August 09, 2008, 11:31:22 AM
1. I don't care if UW went after him hard or not. There is a reason Ryan has a reputation as not being a very good recruiter. He gets guys for his system. A system that can only take teams so far against better talent (see the NCAA tournement results).
2. Who would you say is the best in the last 15/20 years. People can have different opinions. He has yours and you have yours. Your opinion is not definitive, so don't act like it is.
3. You never had any friends in high school who screwed around and didn't try hard the first 2/3 years but eventually got their heads screwed on straight and started taking a real interest and ended up becoming real successful? Because I sure as hell saw a lot of people like this. Also, making unfounded statements about cheating on tests is just ignorant and stupid.
4. This is major division 1 basketball, not the junior varsity at some high school. Any college coach worth his money should be able to let the dad know that. I don't think you would ever see Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino...etc not recruit a kid because of his dad, no matter how over-bearing or obnoxious he was/is.
1. You don't have to care. It was a statement of fact that Maymon was disappointed not to have been recruited by Wisconsin.
2. That was my opinion. If someone wants to argue that Maymon is the states all time greatest player they are welcome to try and make that argument.
3. Because others have turned it around does not make it a positive that Jeronne did not care his first 2+ years in high school. He put his back against the wall. Hopefully he now cares. Maymon served a suspension when was caught cheating on a test.
4. On this point you are simply wrong.
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 09, 2008, 12:21:10 PM
Didn't Madison Memorial barely miss out on the WIAA Championship last year?-----Couldn't have been too big of a distraction. Heck he must have been a help!
Sure as long as his kid is scoring 30 ppg in the tournament he's quiet-----but if Buzz doesn't set him up the way dad thinks he should be----you can bet that dad will be on the horn to Buzz letting him know about it!
Murf ... have you attended Madison Memorial games and actually WITNESSED Tim Maymon running up and down the sidelines?
I have attended at least 25 of Jeronne's games the past three years. No question, Tim Maymon can be loud.
However, he does not "run up and down the sidelines yelling instructions at his kid."
Jeronne Maymon will be an outstanding player at Marquette and his father will be his No. 1 fan. Seriously doubt Tim Maymon will make Buzz Williams' life difficult.
Quote from: dennycrane on August 09, 2008, 01:06:57 PM
1. You don't have to care. It was a statement of fact that Maymon was disappointed not to have been recruited by Wisconsin.
2. That was my opinion. If someone wants to argue that Maymon is the states all time greatest player they are welcome to try and make that argument.
3. Because others have turned it around does not make it a positive that Jeronne did not care his first 2+ years in high school. He put his back against the wall. Hopefully he now cares. Maymon served a suspension when was caught cheating on a test.
4. On this point you are simply wrong.
1. Bo Ryan doesn't land too many athletic big men, so I have to believe Bo should be the sorry one. If you want to play Bo's style of ball, you better accept that you're not going to get athletes.
2. No one argued that he was the state's best player...just the best player a guy we don't know ever saw play. Not a lot of information there, but you don't need to pout about someone's opinion on the kid.
3. Anyone with brains and class knows not to type that crap on the Internet. I'm sure you did plenty of dumb things in your life that you wouldn't want placed on the Internet. I always thought Madison was an area where people were less judgemental...
4. Perhaps Buzz feels he can handle the father. Dealing with parents is never easy; however, maybe Buzz can help the kid and his father to find some balance. The fact that you post things about minors cheating on tests, which we all know is illegal for a school to comment on, makes me wonder how great of a father you could be. Teachers and coaches help helicopter parents better deal with their children every day. Buzz may be very successful at it, and as a result all parties will be much better served.
5. MU consistently gets the best recruits out of the state.
Agreed. They might show him occasionally on TV like they do with pappy Hansbourgh,but I see seriously doubt Buzz will have any patience with that kind of stuff.
And if Maymon's dad starts to become an issue, Jeronne will need to man up and take care of it.
Just like when mamma LeBron tried to get involved in one of his games last year.
Quote from: MarkMiller on August 09, 2008, 01:31:14 PM
Murf ... have you attended Madison Memorial games and actually WITNESSED Tim Maymon running up and down the sidelines?
I have attended at least 25 of Jeronne's games the past three years. No question, Tim Maymon can be loud.
However, he does not "run up and down the sidelines yelling instructions at his kid."
Jeronne Maymon will be an outstanding player at Marquette and his father will be his No. 1 fan. Seriously doubt Tim Maymon will make Buzz Williams' life difficult.
Mark----I heard from a very reliable source that Tim is very physically active on the sidelines (a respected local City Conference coach)----he used the words "running up and down the sidelines".
This was in response to my question as to why Bo and TC didn't actively recruit Jeronne.
Once again, the difference between second hand information/making judgements by video, and first hand, in person observations. Hmmmm, whom to believe?
Quote from: tower912 on August 09, 2008, 02:55:08 PM
Once again, the difference between second hand information/making judgements by video, and first hand, in person observations. Hmmmm, whom to believe?
I think I'll believe the state's foremost expert on Wisconsin high school basketball talent over Murff. Just like I will believe people who evaluate Junior Cadougan for a living over a guy who has seen a 30 second clip of him.
Dennycrane-In your initial post you stated the other guy was flat out wrong. You didn't state that was your opinion or that was what you thought. Maybe you should work on your phrasing a little better.
Please show me examples of where elite coaches have backed away from elite kids due to their parents. If Mark Miller doesn't think it will be a problem, why would I?
Personally, I'm excited for Jeronne and think this class could be one of MU's best ever. If MU somehow added Wilson or Snaer to the class, wow!!! (Although I'm not a huge fan of over-recruiting whether its Crean or Buzz doing it)
Quote from: tower912 on August 09, 2008, 02:55:08 PM
Once again, the difference between second hand information/making judgements by video, and first hand, in person observations. Hmmmm, whom to believe?
Look, I don't care "who you want to believe"----could care less----all that I'm telling you is what I've heard from a person who's opinion i trust----it isn't even my opinion as I've never seen Tim Maymon at a game-----but I do know how a parent can upset a team!
BTW---why else wouldn't TC and BR been all over Jeronne after that stellar State Tournament? Answer me that one!
Quote from: avid1010 on August 09, 2008, 01:35:35 PM
1. Bo Ryan doesn't land too many athletic big men, so I have to believe Bo should be the sorry one. If you want to play Bo's style of ball, you better accept that you're not going to get athletes.
2. No one argued that he was the state's best player...just the best player a guy we don't know ever saw play. Not a lot of information there, but you don't need to pout about someone's opinion on the kid.
3. Anyone with brains and class knows not to type that crap on the Internet. I'm sure you did plenty of dumb things in your life that you wouldn't want placed on the Internet. I always thought Madison was an area where people were less judgemental...
4. Perhaps Buzz feels he can handle the father. Dealing with parents is never easy; however, maybe Buzz can help the kid and his father to find some balance. The fact that you post things about minors cheating on tests, which we all know is illegal for a school to comment on, makes me wonder how great of a father you could be. Teachers and coaches help helicopter parents better deal with their children every day. Buzz may be very successful at it, and as a result all parties will be much better served.
5. MU consistently gets the best recruits out of the state.
1. Maymon would not be considered a big man. At 6'6 he can play some 4.
2. The comment was made that Maymon was the best player he had ever seen. There was little knowledge as to how many players this person has seen 0 to infinite. If you want to place some context to that remark please do so? Do you want to argue that he is the best player from the state? I would not even argue against Maymon being a better high school player than the several mentioned. Although I could make a case for a couple of those players being better than Maymon as well.
3. It was reported on the internet a long time ago. He was suspended from a game. It is very old news and not a secret. You may have missed a little bit of discussion when Royce White had a similar incident. I suspect it may have even been talked about on this board.
4. Tim Maymon has made public comments accusing those who don't believe in his son as being the problem. His comments to the media pointed the finger at others for where his son was academically. Tim Maymon loves to be the center of attention in public. If you want to be in the limelight you had better be able to take the good with the bad.
Quote from: jmayer1 on August 09, 2008, 03:23:35 PM
I think I'll believe the state's foremost expert on Wisconsin high school basketball talent over Murff. Just like I will believe people who evaluate Junior Cadougan for a living over a guy who has seen a 30 second clip of him.
Dennycrane-In your initial post you stated the other guy was flat out wrong. You didn't state that was your opinion or that was what you thought. Maybe you should work on your phrasing a little better.
Please show me examples of where elite coaches have backed away from elite kids due to their parents. If Mark Miller doesn't think it will be a problem, why would I?
Personally, I'm excited for Jeronne and think this class could be one of MU's best ever. If MU somehow added Wilson or Snaer to the class, wow!!! (Although I'm not a huge fan of over-recruiting whether its Crean or Buzz doing it)
Coach K sent Kris Humphrie and his dad packing after he signed at Duke.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 09, 2008, 03:34:47 PMBTW---why else wouldn't TC and BR been all over Jeronne after that stellar State Tournament? Answer me that one!
The fact that he is in danger of not qualifying for college basketball MAY have caused them to back off a bit, not sure why that would though hey? Especially since he is still considered a risk AFTER significantly improving his grades over the summer, so before that can you imagine the risk? Me neither, must've been his dad.
Quote from: dennycrane on August 09, 2008, 03:51:34 PM
Coach K sent Kris Humphrie and his dad packing after he signed at Duke.
Kris Humphries asked for his realease from his NLI, not the other way around. No specific reason was given but it has been rumored that Humphries wanted more playing time becauase he wanted to go go pro after one year but saw there was a ton of big men at Duke he would be behind. Do you know something everyones else doesn't? Seems coarch K was fine with his dad during his recruitment.
Quote from: jmayer1 on August 09, 2008, 04:42:21 PM
Kris Humphries asked for his realease from his NLI, not the other way around. No specific reason was given but it has been rumored that Humphries wanted more playing time becauase he wanted to go go pro after one year but saw there was a ton of big men at Duke he would be behind. Do you know something everyones else doesn't? Seems coarch K was fine with his dad during his recruitment.
I have some swamp land to sell you.
Humphries and his old man tried to play Coach K. K would have none of it. Humphries and father became Monson's problem.
denny crane you is a fool. the poster did put some context to it when he stated ":
2. Best player from the state of WI he has personally ever seen
- caveat: not sure how many that entails but Mathews, Nankivil, Butch
Novak, Diener at a minimum"
my goodness how much more context would you like. Biggest problem is most of you guys are losers and have ever even seen the inner working of AAu ball or parents etc. you would never begin to believe the BS Crean Oneill or any of the other coaches around the country deal with s far as parent, the phone calls and other BS. A parent wanting the best for their kid and being vocsl from the stands hardly seems abnormal to me who have seen far more than that. buzz holds the keys you buffoon..
Jerrone will be fine...he is wonderfully talented and knows nothing will be given too him,he is commited as his A and B this summer prove. Worst cse scenario he does not work out, crean had 2-3 of those almost every year and some are ready to build a statue next to Al of the guy.
Quote from: MarkMiller on August 09, 2008, 01:31:14 PM
Murf ... have you attended Madison Memorial games and actually WITNESSED Tim Maymon running up and down the sidelines?
I have attended at least 25 of Jeronne's games the past three years. No question, Tim Maymon can be loud.
However, he does not "run up and down the sidelines yelling instructions at his kid."
Jeronne Maymon will be an outstanding player at Marquette and his father will be his No. 1 fan. Seriously doubt Tim Maymon will make Buzz Williams' life difficult.
Murffieus never having seen a player play live has never affected his mispaced ability to render judgment on a player which is often wrong and full of contradictions (particularly when his evaluation is questioned).
Quote from: dennycrane on August 09, 2008, 05:02:32 PM
I have some swamp land to sell you.
Humphries and his old man tried to play Coach K. K would have none of it. Humphries and father became Monson's problem.
sure bud, i guess you know more about the inter-workings of the duke program that any other recruiting expert or any article out there about the matter
murff, i heard from a guy---a guy's who opinion i highly trust, that you don't know what you are talking about half the time
also, last time i checked there is a HUGE difference between high school ball and college ball, so you personally have no clue what effect, if any, a parent can have on a high division one baskeball team
Quote from: jmayer1 on August 09, 2008, 05:50:07 PM
sure bud, i guess you know more about the inter-workings of the duke program that any other recruiting expert or any article out there about the matter
Humphries was signed. Duke was under no obligation to release him. Humphries and has father wanted certain assurances and demands from Coach K. K signed his release and sent them on their way to gopherland.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on August 09, 2008, 05:33:08 PM
denny crane you is a fool. the poster did put some context to it when he stated ":
2. Best player from the state of WI he has personally ever seen
- caveat: not sure how many that entails but Mathews, Nankivil, Butch
Novak, Diener at a minimum"
my goodness how much more context would you like. Biggest problem is most of you guys are losers and have ever even seen the inner working of AAu ball or parents etc. you would never begin to believe the BS Crean Oneill or any of the other coaches around the country deal with s far as parent, the phone calls and other BS. A parent wanting the best for their kid and being vocsl from the stands hardly seems abnormal to me who have seen far more than that. buzz holds the keys you buffoon..
Jerrone will be fine...he is wonderfully talented and knows nothing will be given too him,he is commited as his A and B this summer prove. Worst cse scenario he does not work out, crean had 2-3 of those almost every year and some are ready to build a statue next to Al of the guy.
Translation please?
Quote from: dennycrane on August 09, 2008, 06:07:42 PM
Humphries was signed. Duke was under no obligation to release him. Humphries and has father wanted certain assurances and demands from Coach K. K signed his release and sent them on their way to gopherland.
agree to disagree i guess, you can believe what you want, i'll believe what i want
fact is, i still think buzz shouldn't have a problem with maymon's dad
Quote from: dennycrane on August 09, 2008, 01:06:57 PM
1. You don't have to care. It was a statement of fact that Maymon was disappointed not to have been recruited by Wisconsin.
2. That was my opinion. If someone wants to argue that Maymon is the states all time greatest player they are welcome to try and make that argument.
3. Because others have turned it around does not make it a positive that Jeronne did not care his first 2+ years in high school. He put his back against the wall. Hopefully he now cares. Maymon served a suspension when was caught cheating on a test.
4. On this point you are simply wrong.
I think, the fact that you throw your opinion out there without even bothering to name a single player that you believe is better, makes you sound very arrogant.
Denny,
You seem to have some pretty strong feelings regarding Maymon and his father.
How do you feel Maymon will do at MU?
Do you think his father will be a big enough distraction that it becomes a problem?
Will Maymon complete all 4 years at MU?
Who would you compare Maymon's game to?
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 09, 2008, 06:45:19 PM
Denny,
You seem to have some pretty strong feelings regarding Maymon and his father.
How do you feel Maymon will do at MU?
Do you think his father will be a big enough distraction that it becomes a problem?
Will Maymon complete all 4 years at MU?
Who would you compare Maymon's game to?
I am being honest. I have felt the same before Marquette started recruiting Maymon as after he has committed. Not all posters can say the same. If Crean had remained as coach and not recruited Maymon many would not have had a problem with Crean's decision.
It is never popular to agree with murf. I have seen Memorial play dozens of times. His father does make a spectacle of himself. I can not think of another parent who has been more consistent in that regard over the years. I have also seen Tim Maymon interject himself between his sons and coach during the summer. It may not be the popular position but it is the truth.
I am not going to make any predictions about Jeronne at MU. He needs to get in to school first. Indications are that he has done well in summer. Conversely Tim Maymon has made some very confusing statements on his sons academics in the past. Fair to say it will be close either way.
We also don't know very much about Buzz Williams. Too many variables and what ifs to make many predictions.
On the court Jeronne was the best player in the state last year. I never saw any indication of problems while he was playing. All the distractions have been off the court.
Kris Humphries is a very good example of how a father can hurt a son's career and at the same time disrupt a team-----as I recall his father was publicly very critical of the Minnesota HC and in fact was the reaso why Kris opted for the NBA prematurely. Kris has loads of talent----but he's underachived since HS.
When I played at MU, I respectively told my dad to please keep a low profile around the coaches. players, and other parents, which he did. When I coached at MUHS I had a situation one year where unwarranted parental involvement almost cost the team a very successful season----and these parents weren't as ostensibly involved anywhere near the extent that I understand Mr Mayman to be.
I'd still like this questioned answered------why weren't BO and TC hot after Jerrone afte that outstanding State Tournament he had ?
Quote from: Murffieus on August 10, 2008, 07:13:18 AM
I'd still like this questioned answered------why weren't BO and TC hot after Jerrone afte that outstanding State Tournament he had ?
It's no secret Bo Ryan doesn't really go after players who may have "backgrounds" and Jeronne's academic situation and Tim Maymon are probably lumped into that "backgrounds" category.
As far as Tom Crean, it could have simply been that he favored Jamil Wilson, but it could have been for the same reasons that Bo Ryan didn't pursue Jeronne.
It depends on the coach. As someone pointed out to me, Buzz Williams attended and assisted at the Junior College level and there are many players at that level who come in with academic and personal issue's and Buzz and his staff might be willing to take chances on players that some coaches wouldn't.
As I've stated on another board, I had better than expected reports on Jeronne Maymon as a person from a Memorial parent who is brutally honest with this kind of thing. Has he had academic issue's? Yes. Was he linked in to an altercation(s) at school? Yes. The big question is if Jeronne is willing to work hard academically to make it into Marquette and the early returns are that he is.
I back up Mark Miller in that I've never seen Tim Maymon run up and down the court. I've probably seen Jeronne play in 7 or so Memorial games the last 3 years and it's physically impossible to do this at the Memorial gym because of the tightness of the sidelines and I haven't see him do this in the 2 other gyms I've watched Memorial play in. Yes, Tim Maymon is vocal, can get out of control at times and is very emotional.
Grades didn't stop TC from going after D Wade or that guy last year who ended up at Duquesne. I don't think grades will be a problem with Jerrone-----seems like the type of kid who puts his mind to something that he'll get it done----but an emotional father who is looking out for the best for his son does bother me.
As it is, parents usually think their kid is better than what he is----the more emotional they are the worse things can get----they can't understand why he doesn't play more-----why he doesn't get the ball more-----it's always someone elses fault (e.g. ----a teammate or the coach)----these are all things that can get out of hand.In the end it can really hurt the chemistry of the team as sides are drawn.
BTW Henry Balczak-----grades usually don't stop coaches from going after a **** player ----e.g D Wade and the kid last year who went to Duquesne----unless it's really a bad case. In Jerrone's case he seems very serious about his grades because he knows what's on the line----e.g. summer school when he could have been on the AAU circuit. To protect themselves from making an academic mistake they can over recruit, which Buzz appears to be doing for 2009.
Bottomline----grades aren't the main problem why he wasn't recruited by UW and TC.
It is funny reading this thread, we have a highly respected person Mr. Miller and an individual who has never seen a player play have opposite fews. Well no reason to discount Mr. Miller as he has no side to take. When it comes to Muff he is a known distractor and poster with a definite attitude or grudge against MU when one reviews his posts. I would say his actions speak for themselve and he definitely will continue to be a bigger distraction then Mr. Maymon ever could be as he has years and years of practice even though he does not have the confidence and courage to step forward and contribute in a positive manner as a former MU player.
I don't call myself a "detractor"----I would say that I "critique" MU BB quite a bit a lot of times as the "devils advocate". But that should be refreshing to other posters as every one else almost always points out the positives----including Mark.
My posts very often show other points of view-----balance the board----and majority of the time those other points of view turn out to be correct.
BTW----you'll notice I haven't been on Buzz's back----give him a chance to prove he can coach!
Quote from: dennycrane on August 09, 2008, 07:33:45 PM
I am being honest. I have felt the same before Marquette started recruiting Maymon as after he has committed. Not all posters can say the same. If Crean had remained as coach and not recruited Maymon many would not have had a problem with Crean's decision.
It is never popular to agree with murf. I have seen Memorial play dozens of times. His father does make a spectacle of himself. I can not think of another parent who has been more consistent in that regard over the years. I have also seen Tim Maymon interject himself between his sons and coach during the summer. It may not be the popular position but it is the truth.
I am not going to make any predictions about Jeronne at MU. He needs to get in to school first. Indications are that he has done well in summer. Conversely Tim Maymon has made some very confusing statements on his sons academics in the past. Fair to say it will be close either way.
We also don't know very much about Buzz Williams. Too many variables and what ifs to make many predictions.
On the court Jeronne was the best player in the state last year. I never saw any indication of problems while he was playing. All the distractions have been off the court.
Fair enough, and to be honest, I think I feel the same way... but maybe I'm a little more of a "glass half-full" kinda guy.
The Tim Maymon stories make me a little nervous, however 2 things keep playing over and over in my head:
#1 We heard the same thing about Wesley Matthews mom. Now, I'm not saying it's the exact same scenario, but the internet was full of all of these "stories" about incidents with his mom. MU (as far as I know) has never had a problem with Wesley's mother. Again, these situations are not identical, but there are some interesting parallels, and sometimes the internet can make a 1 time incident (Tim Maymon talking with a coach during a game) seem like a pattern of behavior.
#2 Buzz seems to be a pretty bright guy and while signing Jerrone is certainly not without risks, I'm guessing Buzz and Tim have had a heart to heart and come to some sort of understanding. Now, that "understanding" or "agreement" can certainly change or become strained if something happens... but again, Buzz seems like a pretty bright guy and has been in coaching for his whole life. I'm sure he's dealt with similar situations, so hopefully he can handle this one. Also, Maymon is obviously a talent... but he's not OJ Mayo, and I think/hope his family knows that. If Jerrone really has dreams of the NBA, he's going to need a few years of solid coaching and hard work to be ready (not many guys ranked in the 50's seem to jump to the NBA in 1 or 2 years).
So, just like with Buzz, I'm cautiously optimistic about Maymon. A father yelling and screaming in a highschool gym and be disruptive. A father yelling and screaming at the BC will just fit in with the rest of us. ;D
Quote from: Murffieus on August 10, 2008, 10:26:28 AM
My posts very often show other points of view-----balance the board----and majority of the time those other points of view turn out to be correct.
I don't have a problem with this, but to be honest sometimes you work a little too hard to provide "balance" as you say.
Junior Cardougan is a perfect example.
The experts are watching him play, and they say he's playing well.
Then you get behind your keyboard and start telling everybody why Junior won't be good in the Big East.
Doesn't seem to make much sense ?-(
You seem obsessed with providing a critical viewpoint. I mean, I don't think anybody is saying Junior is going to be the next Jason Kidd... but I do think it's ok to get a little excited about a kid who seems to be rising up the charts and playing his best basketball.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 10, 2008, 08:31:58 AMGrades didn't stop TC from going after D Wade or that guy last year who ended up at Duquesne. I don't think grades will be a problem with Jerrone-----seems like the type of kid who puts his mind to something that he'll get it done----but an emotional father who is looking out for the best for his son does bother me.
As it is, parents usually think their kid is better than what he is----the more emotional they are the worse things can get----they can't understand why he doesn't play more-----why he doesn't get the ball more-----it's always someone elses fault (e.g. ----a teammate or the coach)----these are all things that can get out of hand.In the end it can really hurt the chemistry of the team as sides are drawn.
BTW Henry Balczak-----grades usually don't stop coaches from going after a **** player ----e.g D Wade and the kid last year who went to Duquesne----unless it's really a bad case. In Jerrone's case he seems very serious about his grades because he knows what's on the line----e.g. summer school when he could have been on the AAU circuit. To protect themselves from making an academic mistake they can over recruit, which Buzz appears to be doing for 2009.
Bottomline----grades aren't the main problem why he wasn't recruited by UW and TC.
Murff you and everyone on this board knows why Crean was able to go after a player like Wade back then when he would not be able to now. There was a whole thread about the partial qualifier rule that was allowed in C-USA but is not allowed in the BE. So when Crean knew Wade probably wouldn't qualify going into his freshman year, he was able to go after him knowing that when he didn't he would still be on Marquette's campus for his freshman year, he'd just have to wait a year to play in games. Don't bring Dwyane Wade up as an example of Crean going after someone who had grade issues, because it's a completely different situation and you know it.
Now whoever this kid is who went to Duquesne that we recruited is, if it's true that he didn't come because of grades then that's a fair point, but isn't Duquesne a Divison 1 school? Does their conference have a partial qualifier rule? Did he play in games last year?
Overrecruiting is also a good point that you can do that in case the kid doesn't qualify. But I would be willing to bet that Crean was more worried about his grades than his father. For someone who gets crucified for having so much power on this board, you'd hope Crean would be able to take care of an overinvolved parent. He didn't see that Maymon was committed to his grades because he was gone by the time Maymon decided to not play in AAU to get his grades up.
Don't bring Wade into this...different scenario completely.
that would be Damien Saunders who is now at Duquesne. We over recruited last year and he had not only academic issues but also legal issues. He was the last person recruited, and if i remember correctly, was only being recruited because of the DJ to the nba possibility that was brought up.
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 10, 2008, 10:39:32 AM
I don't have a problem with this, but to be honest sometimes you work a little too hard to provide "balance" as you say.
Junior Cardougan is a perfect example.
The experts are watching him play, and they say he's playing well.
Then you get behind your keyboard and start telling everybody why Junior won't be good in the Big East.
Doesn't seem to make much sense ?-(
You seem obsessed with providing a critical viewpoint. I mean, I don't think anybody is saying Junior is going to be the next Jason Kidd... but I do think it's ok to get a little excited about a kid who seems to be rising up the charts and playing his best basketball.
Again, here's what I said about Junior based on a "feel good " video i watched.
Not quick or athletic----sees the floor very well on transition and passes very well off transition-----doesn't use his left hand and doesn't go left on the dribble penetration------will set up his penetration on starting left with one dribble then cross dribbling over to his right for the penetration------doesn't appear to be a pure perimeter shooter-----better off the pullup.
Now this is what you're going to see on Dec 28th. He may be doing fine now----but odds are that he has limited upside because of his lack of quickness and athleticism.
Quote from: muwarrior87 on August 10, 2008, 12:22:08 PM
that would be Damien Saunders who is now at Duquesne. We over recruited last year and he had not only academic issues but also legal issues. He was the last person recruited, and if i remember correctly, was only being recruited because of the DJ to the nba possibility that was brought up.
But the point is that TC went after him even though he had grade issues (later in the process he couldn't get into MU).
This bring to mind another point-----TC left MU in a huff (only way to describe it)----did MU increase it's enrollment standards? Saunders was a qualifier, but couldn't get into MU------D Wade was a non qualifier and he got in. If so could explain why Buzz is still recruiting for 2009 (he envisions a recruit potentially not gaining entrance to MU?).
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 10, 2008, 10:31:32 AM
Fair enough, and to be honest, I think I feel the same way... but maybe I'm a little more of a "glass half-full" kinda guy.
The Tim Maymon stories make me a little nervous, however 2 things keep playing over and over in my head:
#1 We heard the same thing about Wesley Matthews mom. Now, I'm not saying it's the exact same scenario, but the internet was full of all of these "stories" about incidents with his mom. MU (as far as I know) has never had a problem with Wesley's mother. Again, these situations are not identical, but there are some interesting parallels, and sometimes the internet can make a 1 time incident (Tim Maymon talking with a coach during a game) seem like a pattern of behavior.
#2 Buzz seems to be a pretty bright guy and while signing Jerrone is certainly not without risks, I'm guessing Buzz and Tim have had a heart to heart and come to some sort of understanding. Now, that "understanding" or "agreement" can certainly change or become strained if something happens... but again, Buzz seems like a pretty bright guy and has been in coaching for his whole life. I'm sure he's dealt with similar situations, so hopefully he can handle this one. Also, Maymon is obviously a talent... but he's not OJ Mayo, and I think/hope his family knows that. If Jerrone really has dreams of the NBA, he's going to need a few years of solid coaching and hard work to be ready (not many guys ranked in the 50's seem to jump to the NBA in 1 or 2 years).
So, just like with Buzz, I'm cautiously optimistic about Maymon. A father yelling and screaming in a highschool gym and be disruptive. A father yelling and screaming at the BC will just fit in with the rest of us. ;D
#1 The Mathews situation is more dissimilar than similar to Maymon. There is no need to break it down much further than that. The Pam Moore-UW situation was overplayed on the internet. As far as I can tell there was uncomfortableness and possibly personality conflicts on both sides.
It should be noted that there has been very little to complain about with Mathews career. He has seen significant playing time from day one. Marquette has had success during Wesley's time in Milwaukee.
At Wisconsin Wesley may have had to sit a little longer. Would that have been a problem?
#2 Buzz will need to establish ground rules early on. Buzz does not have much of a track record. It would be speculation on my part as to how he will handle it.
If you listen to some of Tim Maymon's remarks it brings into question whether he is realistic about Jeronne's ability. Didn't he compare Jeronne to a combination of Beasley/Rose/Garnett? I would like to believe he was kidding. Tim has been very unrealistic about his older sons talent level also. Will this matter? It goes back to the original post in this thread. Tim Maymon's behavior does not do his son any favors.
muff I beleive when Wade was allowed to attend MU they had partial qualifiers and now they dont. U make call yourself critical but how can a senior grown up? behave like that when talking about young kids prior to getting to college. You are definitely past your prime not meaning sports but in ability to articulate a fair assessment when it comes to others. Your dislike. disgust, or hatred to MU is obviuous and it is time for u to do something positive to the program or just SIGNOFF. Quit being a stupid ASS as it is very anoying to everyone.
muball----I ask a couple of legit questions and I'm a "stupid ass"-----also "Murf hates MU" and "is past his prime"-----all this because I don't write "feel good" posts like you seem to want to hear-----good grief man----get a grip----there's more than one side to a sitiuation-----just because you want to stick your head in the sand and "feel good" and call people childish names and make wild ass assertions about someone else' allegiances.
I saw my first MU BB game in 1944----my dad is in the MU HOF-----I am one of handful of MU BB players who owns a career double/double----captain of a team----MVP 1958-----was the Marquette "M" Club president for 3 years----longest presiding president ever-----and they wanted me to stay on. I live, eat, and drink MU BB.
You owe me an apology-----I've paid my dues to say what I want about MU BB within the rules of the board!
So U say U paid your dues, what does that mean, give u the right to be negative on young kids as u have done with Travis etc. Even when Crean left his wife said she would be happy to be away from Muff on the internet and his comments regarding the program. Yes u went, played, and had some success at MU but that does not provide u the right to say what u say and then think your above everyone else and criticize young kids prior to entering college and their parents. Look at the records and accomplishments that some of the kids have had within the last few years compared to accomplishments when u played. Your really may think your an expert etc but that is only in your mind. Hence your name
I've got news for Mrs. Crean-----there will be a new Murf (probably several Murfs)on the message boards at Indiana----TC will be held to a higher standard there than here. You guys look at being critical as non supportive----I look at it as being VERY supportive.
You criticize critiqing young players as though they are babes in swadeling cloths----they are 18-22 year old adults----old enought to vote----old enough to join the armed forces---- and they are in the public domain and part of a high profile business-----part of their education is to learn how to accept criticism----if they don't learn how now---then when?
As far as parents are concerned I'm just repeating from what i've heard from reliable sources.
You want to feel good about MU BB----well I feel good when we succeed.
As far as BB is concerned , I've forgotten more than you'll ever know!
Murf- please don't be intimidated by those 'who know not whereof they speak...,
I, for one, would stop reading the board altogether if it weren't for the balance of OPINIONS. Many of us were accused of negativity for pointing out Crean's faults while others saw only strengths. Now you aren't allowed an opinion on a player- forget the fact that you scouted and coached dozens while the detractors probably haven't. Hang in there.
this board would suck without murf. he brings a lot to the table.
Do you think MURF posts for your basketball education? It is simply for his entertainment. If you watch how most posts progress, it eventually turns into just bantering back and forth with MURF and a couple other posters. Totally unrelated to the original topic. He does it for his own entertainment.
If I know Murff (and we've had some battles over the years) he will NEVER be intimidated by anyone, least of all someone who resorts to calling him sophmoric names. I don't mind when he "critiques" MU basketball; he does bring the point of view of an ex-coach and he sees things I for one don't. On the other hand, I would like to know how Junior, who is neither "quick nor athletic", manages to ever score.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 09, 2008, 03:34:47 PM
BTW---why else wouldn't TC and BR been all over Jeronne after that stellar State Tournament? Answer me that one!
I believe that Wisconsin already had their 2009 class filled out at the time. And as far as TC goes, the state tournament ended on March 8. That was a week before MU's regular season ended. I mean, what did you want him to do?
Quote from: Murffieus on August 10, 2008, 01:15:35 PM
Again, here's what I said about Junior based on a "feel good " video i watched.
Not quick or athletic----sees the floor very well on transition and passes very well off transition-----doesn't use his left hand and doesn't go left on the dribble penetration------will set up his penetration on starting left with one dribble then cross dribbling over to his right for the penetration------doesn't appear to be a pure perimeter shooter-----better off the pullup.
Now this is what you're going to see on Dec 28th. He may be doing fine now----but odds are that he has limited upside because of his lack of quickness and athleticism.
Murf,
You also questioned the talent he was playing against at the recent camps and claimed that the "majority" of recruiting services didn't rank him very highly.
Again, I think you obviously have a tremendous amount of basketball knowledge... but you seem to try so hard to be a contrarian that you miss the bus on what people are saying.
People aren't just excited over the "feel good" video that you saw, they are also excited because he is on the rise and appears to be performing very well this summer.
Does he have some flaws in his game? Certainly.
Is he playing well and can MU fans get excited? Certainly.
Does anybody think he is the next Jason Kidd? Certainly not.
Sometimes is it that simple? Certainly.
Quote from: jce on August 11, 2008, 08:25:34 AM
I believe that Wisconsin already had their 2009 class filled out at the time. And as far as TC goes, the state tournament ended on March 8. That was a week before MU's regular season ended. I mean, what did you want him to do?
TC had a habit of getting on people long before others------Maymon had very good production prior to the State Tournament-----besides he had plenty of time to go after him after the NCAA both at MU and at IU.
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 11, 2008, 08:37:31 AM
Murf,
You also questioned the talent he was playing against at the recent camps and claimed that the "majority" of recruiting services didn't rank him very highly.
Again, I think you obviously have a tremendous amount of basketball knowledge... but you seem to try so hard to be a contrarian that you miss the bus on what people are saying.
People aren't just excited over the "feel good" video that you saw, they are also excited because he is on the rise and appears to be performing very well this summer.
Does he have some flaws in his game? Certainly.
Is he playing well and can MU fans get excited? Certainly.
Does anybody think he is the next Jason Kidd? Certainly not.
Sometimes is it that simple? Certainly.
That's fine----but the major thing to look for in a recruit is upside-----and generally players without good quickness and athleticism have limited upside unless they are very good shooters. Some exceptions apply.
We never get any numbers on his shooting percentages----in HS, AAU, Shoe camps. Just general remarks like he can hit the jumper up to 22'----now what does that mean?
Quote from: ecompt on August 11, 2008, 08:14:46 AM
If I know Murff (and we've had some battles over the years) he will NEVER be intimidated by anyone, least of all someone who resorts to calling him sophmoric names. I don't mind when he "critiques" MU basketball; he does bring the point of view of an ex-coach and he sees things I for one don't. On the other hand, I would like to know how Junior, who is neither "quick nor athletic", manages to ever score.
Ecompt my friend------that's what I'd like to know----does Junior score a lot in transition-----that would be my guess as that seemed to be the best part of his game.
With all the comments Muff has made about MU players the last 4-5 years I ask one simple question. For someone who played at MU and was president of Alumni club etc, has he ever taken the initiative to share his whereabouts with coaches etc. It is my understanding from his posts that he has not since he has not been invited. Well there is no question that MU has reached out to former players and he has not taken the opportunity to participate. Well they reached out and he implied that was not an invititation. He has a problem regarding MU and I hope he can get over it. Better to be part of a solution then being part of the problem or not helping fellow players at his alum if he is as knowledgeable as he claims. He brings alot of traffic to MU boards but generally it is quite repititious. Puzzled why he does not add value to the school in a positive matter.
+1
Quote from: Murffieus on August 11, 2008, 04:46:20 PM
TC had a habit of getting on people long before others------Maymon had very good production prior to the State Tournament-----besides he had plenty of time to go after him after the NCAA both at MU and at IU.
You asked the question "(W)hy else wouldn't TC and BR been all over Jeronne after that stellar State Tournament? Answer me that one!"
I did. And now you shifted the goalposts.
Quote from: jce on August 11, 2008, 09:00:47 PM
You asked the question "(W)hy else wouldn't TC and BR been all over Jeronne after that stellar State Tournament? Answer me that one!"
I did. And now you shifted the goalposts.
Marquette was involved with Maymon as early as last fall as he was at the same MU public practice that Frank Ben-Eze was at, so Marquette had some interest.
Crean then got a verbal from Erik Williams from Texas and couple that with Jamil Wilson being the top target for Crean and I think Jeronne Maymon was one of the backup recruits for Crean. I'm not denying grades and his father may have contributed, but I think it was more Erik Williams and Jamil Wilson.
Things seemed to change a little with Buzz on board and most of it may be centered around the hiring of Tony Benford. Tony had supposedly seen Maymon the previous summer and was very impressed with his ability and it appears he started recruiting Jeronne for Marquette. Tony's previous contact and Jeronne playing very well at the state tourney and at spring tournaments probably pushed him up the MU list and with Crean gone, Jamil Wilson started looking elsewhere at that time.
Balczak hit the nail on the head. The other thing ... Buzz followed Maymon around the travel-team circuit in April and made him a top recruiting priority after watching Maymon dominate on the AAU scene.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 11, 2008, 04:52:02 PM
That's fine----but the major thing to look for in a recruit is upside-----and generally players without good quickness and athleticism have limited upside unless they are very good shooters. Some exceptions apply.
We never get any numbers on his shooting percentages----in HS, AAU, Shoe camps. Just general remarks like he can hit the jumper up to 22'----now what does that mean?
Well, to be completely honest, your post now about Junior now is much more palatable and honest. I don't think anybody can't fault a fan for having some questions about a recruit (recruiting is not an exact science).
However, you (personally) have not seen Junior play a lot (if at all), so please forgive a lot of posters for not buying into your critique, but rather going off of what the recruiting experts have been watching this summer.
Again, I think you take too much pleasure in trying to "bring people back to earth".
It is ok to say, "I really don't know much about this player, I'll have to see more before I can evaluate."
Go back and read the threads... it really appears like you are just trying to incite people.
Quote from: muball on August 11, 2008, 06:40:20 PM
With all the comments Muff has made about MU players the last 4-5 years I ask one simple question. For someone who played at MU and was president of Alumni club etc, has he ever taken the initiative to share his whereabouts with coaches etc. It is my understanding from his posts that he has not since he has not been invited. Well there is no question that MU has reached out to former players and he has not taken the opportunity to participate. Well they reached out and he implied that was not an invititation. He has a problem regarding MU and I hope he can get over it. Better to be part of a solution then being part of the problem or not helping fellow players at his alum if he is as knowledgeable as he claims. He brings alot of traffic to MU boards but generally it is quite repititious. Puzzled why he does not add value to the school in a positive matter.
I attend MU functions----we had a reunion sponsored by MU January of 2005. On the first night I introduced myself to Tom Crean----we had a very nice conversation---also intoduced myself to his wife and mother in law and had another very nice conversation. Had another BB reunion in January of 2007 which I attended----Rick was there----had a great time.Went the the banquet this past April.
I'm older now and don't get involved as much----but that hasn't dampened my interest in MU bb>
Quote from: HarryBalczak on August 11, 2008, 09:33:08 PM
Marquette was involved with Maymon as early as last fall as he was at the same MU public practice that Frank Ben-Eze was at, so Marquette had some interest.
Crean then got a verbal from Erik Williams from Texas and couple that with Jamil Wilson being the top target for Crean and I think Jeronne Maymon was one of the backup recruits for Crean. I'm not denying grades and his father may have contributed, but I think it was more Erik Williams and Jamil Wilson.
Things seemed to change a little with Buzz on board and most of it may be centered around the hiring of Tony Benford. Tony had supposedly seen Maymon the previous summer and was very impressed with his ability and it appears he started recruiting Jeronne for Marquette. Tony's previous contact and Jeronne playing very well at the state tourney and at spring tournaments probably pushed him up the MU list and with Crean gone, Jamil Wilson started looking elsewhere at that time.
Sounds like Maymon was a plan B. Surprising TC didn' put a full court press on him like he did with Mathews and Nankivil.
Perhaps under Crean, Maymon was a plan B. After all, he had Williams in hand and the inside track on Wilson. But......Jeronne blew up during the state tourney and when Buzz took over, he had an assistant with an inside track on the reigning WHSAA POY. Buzz probably surveyed the landscape and decided to make a hard play for Maymon, too, since he had an in, and take whichever, Jamil or Jeronne, committed first. So, under Buzz, perhaps it would be closer to say that Maymon was plan 1A. Or, you can, every single freaking time on every board you post on, trash whoever says yes to MU. Glass half full v. half empty.
Hard to complain about this class, provided everyone takes care of the academic end and is here in the fall of 2009.
Cadougan, Maymon and Williams will all be top 100 recruits when the websites average out this fall and Buycks is likely one of the top 10 recruits coming out of the junior college ranks next year. Cadougan and Buycks will compete for starting spots at the PG and the 2G respectively next year (I don't consider Buycks a point guard) and Maymon and Williams will give the team solid depth and will contibute off the bench as freshman if one of them doesn't secure a starting spot opposite Hayward.
The guy that people seem to forget about is Liam McMorrow and he may not come in and be a major impact player in 2009, but I think he could surprise some people.
Not a bad group of players.
Quote from: tower912 on August 12, 2008, 08:46:21 PM
you can, every single freaking time on every board you post on, trash whoever says yes to MU. Glass half full v. half empty.
Your right, all i want to see on this board is a bunch of posters saying nothign but "This guy is going to be unstopable!"
Quote from: HarryBalczak on August 11, 2008, 09:33:08 PM
Marquette was involved with Maymon as early as last fall as he was at the same MU public practice that Frank Ben-Eze was at, so Marquette had some interest.
Crean then got a verbal from Erik Williams from Texas and couple that with Jamil Wilson being the top target for Crean and I think Jeronne Maymon was one of the backup recruits for Crean. I'm not denying grades and his father may have contributed, but I think it was more Erik Williams and Jamil Wilson.
Things seemed to change a little with Buzz on board and most of it may be centered around the hiring of Tony Benford. Tony had supposedly seen Maymon the previous summer and was very impressed with his ability and it appears he started recruiting Jeronne for Marquette. Tony's previous contact and Jeronne playing very well at the state tourney and at spring tournaments probably pushed him up the MU list and with Crean gone, Jamil Wilson started looking elsewhere at that time.
Jim? Is that you Jim? ;)