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The missing link for greater success this season?
Hopefully he can make the same kind of leap that Hayward did last season. They have somewhat similar situations in not being able to to practice with the team until late. Obviously Hayward wasn't hurt Freshman year, but I believe the talent is there.
He didn't believe playing last season was a waste. Added confidence, etc. Good to hear.
Do you really think he would acknowledge that his playing time last year was a waste? Be serious.
Quote from: wampum77 on July 08, 2008, 11:19:15 AM
Do you really think he would acknowledge that his playing time last year was a waste? Be serious.
Seriously, it probably did help him as he states in the article. No conspiracy theory here.
Quote from: wampum77 on July 08, 2008, 11:19:15 AM
Do you really think he would acknowledge that his playing time last year was a waste? Be serious.
I am being serious....he states quite clearly why he thought it was a benefit....he got his feet wet, played in meaningful games and doesn't have to start green this year. It seems he's being serious. Take it up with him if you think he's lying.
Good article. I hope Trevor has lots of playing time next year and is the force we anticipate he is.
Signs of hope for Mbakwe
In limited playing time (ie - a poor sample size).
Mbakwe had the highest OR% of anyone on the team at 14.6%... meaning he grabbed almost 15% of any available offensive rebound when he was on the court. For comparison, anything above 10% is good and 15% is a monster.
His personal Free Throw Rate was highest on the team as well at 60%, meaning that 60% of the time he took a FGA, it resulted in him shooting a FT.
Despite the OR prowess, Mbakwe's real limitation was on the offensive end, where he was worst on the team at Points per Weighted Shot (PPWS). Going 4/15 from the field and 9/19 from the charity stripe will do that. On defense he was slightly worse than the team average.
All of these areas are flawed statistics because of the sample size, but at least they provide some indication of what we might get from Mbakwe with regular contribution.
Based on what I saw last year, I think that with a healthy knee he should be a great contributer on the boards. His offensive skills compared to Burke however. I hope he can improve as the article states he is trying to do.
good stuff Henry. You could also argue that his shooting was hampered by his knee. He didn't seem to get a lot of lift, which is much more critical in shooting than rebounding. He seemed to be VERY fundamental with his rebounding so he established position first which allowed him to get boards without having good ups. However shooting, he couldn't get up to make the shot.
I just get the feeling though that Mbakwe will transfer back to Minnesota at the end of this year. I think a lot of the reason he stayed here this year is because the Big 3 did a helluva job convincing him to stay. They knew they needed him if they wanted to have any kind of real success this season. I think Mbakwe really took that into account and didn't want to let his boys down so he decided to hang around for a year. I hope my feeling is wrong, but something just gives me this feeling that he'll end up with Tubby come next year.
MUFan,
I think he will stay as he should be looking at getting a lot of minutes in 09 and beyond.
Quote from: MUFanInGreenBay on July 08, 2008, 12:56:35 PM
I just get the feeling though that Mbakwe will transfer back to Minnesota at the end of this year. I think a lot of the reason he stayed here this year is because the Big 3 did a helluva job convincing him to stay. They knew they needed him if they wanted to have any kind of real success this season. I think Mbakwe really took that into account and didn't want to let his boys down so he decided to hang around for a year. I hope my feeling is wrong, but something just gives me this feeling that he'll end up with Tubby come next year.
You really think after sitting out most of this past year he'll play a year and then transfer where he will have to sit out another entire year? Just seems like a lot of waiting to play after getting a solid season in
Quote from: 1990Warrior on July 08, 2008, 01:00:15 PM
MUFan,
I think he will stay as he should be looking at getting a lot of minutes in 09 and beyond.
I don't think minutes have anything to do with it. I think there's a lot of pull from folks back in Minnesota to get him to come play at Minnesota. I think he had his mind up to go back home this offseason, but the Big 3 convinced him to stay for this year. I don't believe in this crap about him disliking Crean that some people ae saying.
Anything can happen, but if he would of transfered I believe it would of been this year. Also, he doesn't appear to want to redshirt and be stuck in college another year. The Twin Cities is only 350 miles away, 6 hours. Thats not far when you consider the Texas recruits. I believe Trevor sees the Big East and Marquette is a rung up the ladder than UofMinn and the Big 10/11. He is a Warrior! Go Trevor! Go Marquette!
Quote from: MUONTOP on July 08, 2008, 01:03:08 PM
You really think after sitting out most of this past year he'll play a year and then transfer where he will have to sit out another entire year? Just seems like a lot of waiting to play after getting a solid season in
Obviously, that will be the one negative part of it for him. However, he was willing to sit out this year after just barely getting his fit wet tells me that sitting out after this season wouldn't be any harder. Think about it. He is just coming off a season of getting his feet wet and you know he must be anxious as heck to suit up for a full year healthy. The fact he was willing to sit out this season after getting his feet wet last season should tell you that he has quite a lot of patience. Because once guys get their feet wet they tend to be even more driven and excited to play the following year after getting that initial taste in their mouth. I think Mbakwe always wanted to play for Minnesota(most kids want to play for their home state school), but the Minnesota coaching staff and program was doing poorly the past few years made MU a pretty easy choice. Minnesota is no longer on the decline. They're on the upswing.
He is not going to transfer. He has family visit him fairly regularly down here so that is not an issue. Every indication I have gotten from him and the rest of the guys says that they are all pretty happy and want to succeed HERE at Marquette.
Quote from: MUFanInGreenBay on July 08, 2008, 12:56:35 PM
I just get the feeling though that Mbakwe will transfer back to Minnesota at the end of this year. I think a lot of the reason he stayed here this year is because the Big 3 did a helluva job convincing him to stay. They knew they needed him if they wanted to have any kind of real success this season. I think Mbakwe really took that into account and didn't want to let his boys down so he decided to hang around for a year. I hope my feeling is wrong, but something just gives me this feeling that he'll end up with Tubby come next year.
This feeling seems completely baseless.
1) We don't know if there was any truth to the rumors that he was thinking about leaving.
2) If they were true, Not sure why you think Mini 3 (I just came up with that name and love it... because they are all short.) had anything to do with convinceing him. It could have been, Buzz, hayward, some hot freshman, or his mom for all you know.
3) He spent last year working his ass off to play in the last few games. In this article he talks about disliking not playing for as long as he did, why do you think he would be eagar to sit out a year?
So unless you are miss cleo i don't think i'd give your feeling more than a .5% chance of being correct.
Quote from: RawdogDX on July 08, 2008, 01:16:54 PM
This feeling seems completely baseless.
1) We don't know if there was any truth to the rumors that he was thinking about leaving.
2) If they were true, Not sure why you think Mini 3 (I just came up with that name and love it... because they are all short.) had anything to do with convinceing him. It could have been, Buzz, hayward, some hot freshman, or his mom for all you know.
3) He spent last year working his ass off to play in the last few games. In this article he talks about disliking not playing for as long as he did, why do you think he would be eagar to sit out a year?
So unless you are miss cleo i don't think i'd give your feeling more than a .5% chance of being correct.
Fine. You got your opinions and I have mine. All I'm saying is something just gives me the feeling Mbakwe is gone after this season. We'll see who's right.
Quote from: RawdogDX on July 08, 2008, 01:16:54 PM
This feeling seems completely baseless.
1) We don't know if there was any truth to the rumors that he was thinking about leaving.
2) If they were true, Not sure why you think Mini 3 (I just came up with that name and love it... because they are all short.) had anything to do with convinceing him. It could have been, Buzz, hayward, some hot freshman, or his mom for all you know.
3) He spent last year working his ass off to play in the last few games. In this article he talks about disliking not playing for as long as he did, why do you think he would be eagar to sit out a year?
So unless you are miss cleo i don't think i'd give your feeling more than a .5% chance of being correct.
He says right in the article that he was thinking about transferring and that Minn. was a possibility.
Quote from: MUFanInGreenBay on July 08, 2008, 01:26:08 PM
He says right in the article that he was thinking about transferring and that Minn. was a possibility.
Wow, his coach left and he considered the posibility of transfering, I found a bug in my apt and thought about breaking my lease and moving to sandiego. I wasn't serious about.
And FYI. I'm not really expressing opinions here unless: You have to convince me you know something about this to make me take your 'feeling' seriously is an oppinion.
For all i know he may decide to, but if you are going to claim that he will based on some sort of inside information (what motivated him to stay, how serious he was about leaving, how strong the desire is to play for his home state, that his family wants him closer, how much sitting out a year would bother him.) then people may want to know where it's coming from.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 08, 2008, 11:33:22 AM
I am being serious....he states quite clearly why he thought it was a benefit....he got his feet wet, played in meaningful games and doesn't have to start green this year. It seems he's being serious. Take it up with him if you think he's lying.
Time will tell - if this guy is a solid 10/10 player for the next 3 years, we may wish he could stay a 4th year.
Well, let's look to examples in the past. Have players transfered who were important elements to their team and sited personal reasons and transfered closer to home? Hence, I think Trevor also feels a bond and responsibility to this team and teammates. He is also a very important member of the team this year and next and most definitely his senior year when he will have senior leadership and the greatest experience.
I think (and hope) that Trevor stays. I don't think he's going to a 5 year college program to play 3 and some change. He ios a key member of the team, and important for Marquette. . .so Trevor - have a monster year and 2 more aftr that - here!
Mbakwe quits team
Written by: Todd Rosiak
Trevor Mbakwe has informed Marquette Golden Eagles coach Buzz Williams that he has quit the men's basketball team, Williams said on Sunday night.
A 6-foot-7, 240-pound sophomore forward, Mbakwe would have begun the fall semester with his teammates this morning but instead remains in his hometown of St. Paul, Minn. Williams and the Golden Eagles, meanwhile, were caught completely off-guard by Mbakwe's decision -- especially since he took part in all of MU's off-season workouts and had given no indication he was considering leaving.
"He just said that he felt it was best to go the junior-college route," Williams said. "He had never told me anything. I only want people that want to be a part of our program, be a part of our institution and be a part of our family. I wish Trevor nothing but the best, and I know his teammates feel the same way.
"I was shocked by the news."
Now, MU is left a man short at a crucial position, and will have no choice but to bank the scholarship for the 2009-'10 class since school's already in session and there are no suitable replacements available to sign at this point.
There were whispers Mbakwe was considering transferring in the days following Tom Crean's departure for Indiana, but on April 16 he told the Journal Sentinel he would remain at MU.
"I've been reading the papers and they're saying all this stuff about me transferring for family reasons before Coach (Tom Crean) even left," Mbakwe said then. "I just want to let everyone know that isn't true. It was news to me. It was a shock. I didn't know where it was coming from, and that's never been an idea in my head."
Mbakwe was the prize piece of Crean's 2007-'08 recruiting class. Somewhat undersized for a post player, he made up for that with long arms and tremendous athleticism and leaping ability. He was expected to be a key contributor last season as a true freshman, but was declared out for the year after suffering a knee injury in practice.
Mbakwe underwent surgery on Nov. 9 but on Feb. 15 was declared fit to play, and decided to take part in the final portion of the Golden Eagles' schedule rather than sit out the rest of the season as a redshirt. He wound up playing in 10 games, averaging 1.7 points and 2.3 rebounds as a reserve, but appeared to lack confidence in the knee, leading some to question his decision to return.
Looking ahead to this season, a healthy Mbakwe likely would have been projected as the first big man off the bench for the Golden Eagles. Now the pressure will be even greater on junior Lazar Hayward to produce as MU's starting power forward, with only junior-college transfer Joe Fulce - a 205-pounder - and inexperienced sophomore Pat Hazel left on the roster as reserve possibilities at that spot.
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http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/08/24/mbakwe-quits-team.aspx
Mbakwe Leaves Marquette For Personal Reasons
Sophomore forward Trevor Mbakwe of the Marquette University men's basketball has decided not to return to the program for his second season due to personal reasons.
http://onlyfans.cstv.com/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/082508aaa.html
Damn it.
wow. just wow. dont know what to say
He was no Chuck Norris.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=5048.0 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=5048.0)
the thing that suprises me was that
"He just said that he felt it was best to go the junior-college route,"
but at least Buzz took the high road and said if he doesnt have 100% dedication then we dont want him
I guess it didn't matter that we took off that redshirt last year now.
Following up on Mbakwe
Written by: Todd Rosiak
Buzz Williams learned around 8 Friday night that Trevor Mbakwe would be leaving MU, but he kept the news close to the vest until he was able to bring the Golden Eagles together late Sunday night to inform them.
"We confirmed it Saturday, and that was pretty much it," said Williams following that meeting tonight. "I didn't tell anybody because I wanted our team to be the first people I told."
Williams said he wasn't even the first person to learn of the possibility Mbakwe was considering quitting.
"He had never told me anything (over the summer)," said Williams. "He had actually called Aki (Collins) and told Aki that he was thinking about leaving Friday at about 4. So Friday at 4 we've got one hour of business day left before school starts Monday morning at 8 a.m."
Making the news even more surprising was how well Mbakwe had done over the past few months.
"He had a great summer," said Williams. "Did a very good job academically, progressed toward a degree, had a great summer with our guys in the weight room. So I was completely caught off-guard."
Williams said the team took the news of Mbakwe's departure in stride.
"For all that you have to go through -- through an academic year, through a basketball season, through all the practices, individual workouts, weight sessions, you want guys that are committed to being one of us," he said. "And if you're not committed, then good luck wherever it is that you go.
"So I don't know that our guys are upset. I think they kind of felt the same way I did: if he feels lke that's what best for him, we wish him nothing but the best."
Without Mbakwe, MU is left with Lazar Hayward as the starter at power forward, and not a lot of other options.
Junior-college transfer Joe Fulce might get a look there, but he's probably too slight to play there more than sporadically. Sophomore Pat Hazel would be another possibility, but he averaged just 0.5 points and 1.1 rebounds in 14 games last season.
"I don't know that (Mbakwe quitting) puts more pressure on any of our guys," said Williams. "We all have to be held accountable every single day for what we do, and the work that we produce, and I feel comfortable that we will.
"How that plays out I don't know, in regards to how many games we'll win or lose. But I'm not a prophet and not smart enough to predict, so I don't want to predict, 'Well, if Trevor would have been here he would have done this or he would have done that.'
"Who knows who's going to get hurt? Who knows who's going to get in foul trouble? Who knows who is on our team that we're anticipating having a great year and doesn't? Who's on our team that is new that is going to surprise all of us? I can't predict any of that. We'll go with what we've got, work at it every single day, and see how it plays out."
Mbakwe's departure leaves Williams with an addition scholarship in the 2009-'1o recruiting class. MU already has oral commitments from forwards Erik Williams and Jeronne Maymon and guards Dwight Buycks and Junior Cadougan.
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http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/08/24/following-up-on-mbakwe.aspx
painful, but not surprising. Not sure how much of a loss, but we need guys that want to be here. He didnt want to play in the NCAA's.
are you f'in kidding me
Bump. Unfortunately, my gut feeling came true. But even earlier than I expected. I knew there was more to this whole Mbakwe situation all along though. You watch he'll eventually land at Minnesota. He knows the Big East is brutally tough, especially playing down low for an undersized frontcourt player. And he knows MU won't be nearly as strong after the Big 3 graduate. At least for a little while. There's a boatload of big time talent coming into the BE the next few years. So I bet he ends up at a place where he knows they're going to be good and contending for conference title, which Minnesota will be in that Big 10 conference. So much for that 0.5% chance, eh RawdogDX? This is very disappointing, but Chris Otule is just going to have to grow up faster now. My expectations won't change for Chris, but he'll definately have to be thrown into the fire now. There will be no easing in time.
One nutty kid. Never did get a good vibe about him. Expectations for next year now become 2nd round/Sweet 16 whereas with Trevor Sweet 16/Elite Eight.
Now we know why Buzz kept recruiting. But junior-college? Sounds like he's lost all confidence in himself.
Quote from: ecompt on August 25, 2008, 12:43:29 AM
Now we know why Buzz kept recruiting. But junior-college? Sounds like he's lost all confidence in himself.
That junior college stuff is hogwash. He'll end up with Tubby eventually. May take some time, but it will happen.
Maybe he didn't think he has what it takes to compete in the Big East. Maybe he's right. He should have no trouble in the Big Ten and he won't ever have to worry about grades there either. Best of luck.
Minnesota's probably already hired a tutor to do all his schoolwork for him.
Quote from: MUFanInGreenBay on August 25, 2008, 12:47:17 AM
That junior college stuff is hogwash. He'll end up with Tubby eventually. May take some time, but it will happen.
Completely agree. We were talking NBA about this kid. He'll be at Minnesota eventually.
Quote from: ecompt on August 25, 2008, 12:49:19 AM
Maybe he didn't think he has what it takes to compete in the Big East. Maybe he's right. He should have no trouble in the Big Ten and he won't ever have to worry about grades there either. Best of luck.
I don't think Minnesota and Tubby initiated this. I think the kid is lost and unfortunately made a dumb a## decision which he'll probably regret for the rest of his life. I know he's got a kid back home but going JC ain't going to get you a good degree and $$ down the line.
when he ends up at another large program his long term future will be fine, but i just don't understand this. its a risk everyone takes when going to college- will i like it or not? the timing is just strange, the night before classes start
Quote from: ecompt on August 25, 2008, 12:43:29 AM
Now we know why Buzz kept recruiting. But junior-college? Sounds like he's lost all confidence in himself.
Well then Buzz is lying to us because he said he was totally caught off guard on Friday by this announcement...personally, I think he was caught off guard and has been recruiting for another bomb that will drop later (aka...someone doesn't make it academically...or he's doing it just in case they don't make it academically).
I can't wait for Hayward's response to this. ::)
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 25, 2008, 12:53:06 AM
I don't think Minnesota and Tubby initiated this. I think the kid is lost and unfortunately made a dumb a## decision which he'll probably regret for the rest of his life. I know he's got a kid back home but going JC ain't going to get you a good degree and $$ down the line.
But it obviously meant SOMETHING to him.
So be it.
At least now, we don't have to worry about "over-recruiting."
Good luck, Trevor.
Trevor Mbakwe transfers from Marquette - Shocker
Written by: noreply@blogger.com (muwarrior92)
Todd Rosiak is reporting that Trevor Mbakwe has decided to quit the team essentially days before classes are to begin. New coach Buzz Williams said he was "shocked by the news". The last minute decision leaves MU even thinner in the middle as it prepares for the 2008-09 season.
For weeks it has been rumored that Buzz has been recruiting several other players even though no scholarships are available. Some have linked Trevor's departure as a reason for Williams' continued recruiting. However, if it is true that Williams was shocked by Mbakwe's transfer, then it's obvious Williams has been recruiting for another reason the last few weeks and months. Is it simply to stay in on kids "just in case" someone doesn't make it academically or backs out of their verbal commitment? Who knows, but it seems to me that Williams recruiting of late had nothing to do with Mbakwe.
Mbakwe was rumored to transfer after Tom Crean left for Indiana, but he reaffirmed his commitment back in May to stay with Marquette. Last year he was out for most of the season due to a leg injury, but came back early after medical clearance from MU's doctors. He was raw, but showed signs of rebounding presence in several games. It appeared he would be a significant contributor to MU this season as the squad attempts to go for four straight NCAA berths.
What is even more stunning is the reason Mbakwe gave for leaving. According to Coach Williams, the reason he left was to go the junior college route. Strange indeed. I'm sure more information will come about in the coming days.
This leaves Williams in a tough spot. Things had been going very smoothly for him the last 3 months, but now this last second decision has caught him and the MU faithful off guard.
Todd Rosiak's blog with this entry can be found here.
http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/08/24/mbakwe-quits-team.aspx (http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/08/24/mbakwe-quits-team.aspx)
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2008/08/trevor-mbakwe-transfers-from-marquette.html
Trevor Mbakwe transfers from Marquette - Shocker
Written by: noreply@blogger.com (muwarrior92)
Todd Rosiak is reporting that Trevor Mbakwe has decided to quit the team essentially days before classes are to begin. New coach Buzz Williams said he was "shocked by the news". The last minute decision leaves MU even thinner in the middle as it prepares for the 2008-09 season.
For weeks it has been rumored that Buzz has been recruiting several other players even though no scholarships are available. Some have linked Trevor's departure as a reason for Williams' continued recruiting. However, if it is true that Williams was shocked by Mbakwe's transfer, then it's obvious Williams has been recruiting for another reason the last few weeks and months. Is it simply to stay in on kids "just in case" someone doesn't make it academically or backs out of their verbal commitment? Who knows, but it seems to me that Williams recruiting of late had nothing to do with Mbakwe.
Mbakwe was rumored to transfer after Tom Crean left for Indiana, but he reaffirmed his commitment back in May to stay with Marquette. Last year he was out for most of the season due to a leg injury, but came back early after medical clearance from MU's doctors. He was raw, but showed signs of rebounding presence in several games. It appeared he would be a significant contributor to MU this season as the squad attempts to go for four straight NCAA berths.
What is even more stunning is the reason Mbakwe gave for leaving. According to Coach Williams, the reason he left was to go the junior college route. Strange indeed. I'm sure more information will come about in the coming days.
This leaves Williams in a tough spot. Things had been going very smoothly for him the last 3 months, but now this last second decision has caught him and the MU faithful off guard.
Todd Rosiak's blog with this entry can be found here.
http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/08/24/mbakwe-quits-team.aspx (http://blogs.jsonline.com/muhoops/archive/2008/08/24/mbakwe-quits-team.aspx)
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2008/08/trevor-mbakwe-transfers-from-marquette.html
Junior College?!!! I have heard from legitimate sources that Trevor plans spend some time on some of his pet projects, instead of basketball. He actually plans to 1) make peace in the Middle East, 2) Solve the world hunger situation, and 3) develop an energy source so cheap and clean that we will not need to import any oil. He expects to have these projects wrapped up by next summer.
Strange, why did he wait until now to advise the team he was leaving. Why not right after the spring semester was over and give the coaching staff time to replace him. He probably knew back then, or at least had some idea he wanted to leave.
If Hayward gets in foul trouble or even needs a bench rest, good grief, Patrick Hazel as a back-up PF and Chris Otule as a back up center. Jeff Adrian, Dejuan Blair, Harangody, Dujuan Summers and other BE frontliners will be a real test. This team has really needed a true PF and I hope Buzz can come through for 2009. Maybe Maymon can grow a few more inches.
For next year, now it's Matthews, James, McNeal, Mbakwe and Burke all gone. Wow.
omg.
if true, this is a HUGE blow
Disappointing blow. U of Minn campus is ok, but now to sit out another year just to play for Tubby makes no sense. He was an integral member here. Wonder if it was something bigger. Why did he work out with the team and lead them on? Something is messed up in him to turn down a MU scholarship and a lead role on the team. Oh well, See Ya.
As I've mentioned many times, Mbakwe was/is a very talented BB player----raw but talented!
However, he did not fit the MU 4 out 1 in system. Ideally, he's a #4 in a 3 out 2 in system where he can work the area of the hoop.
Would have been a backup center here, but wouldn't have been his best postion because of the matchups on both offense and defense.
I also think that he didn't like all the hard work (weights, running, long practices)----Supermario predicted this several years ago
I guess head to St. Paul/Ramsey Community College next to the Cathedral. Great decision Trevor! Just kiddin. Go MU!, Go Burke!, Go Hazel! Go Otule! Go Fulce!, Go Lazar!
He didn't fit the MU 4 out and 1 in offensive system. Was a tweener so ideally has to play #4 in a three out two in system---- doesn't have a perimeter shot.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 25, 2008, 07:18:56 AM
He didn't fit the MU 4 out and 1 in offensive system. Was a tweener so ideally has to play #4 in a three out two in system---- doesn't have a perimeter shot.
Bingo. Not a huge loss in my opinion. As Buzz himself stated to DeCourcy, "
we are very disproportionate, as it compares to our league, to have four scholarships at one position." Beyond that, one could argue that TM didn't really have a natural position anyway. This departure will accelerate the proper re-balancing of the roster, ultimately making the program even more competitive.
I say Marquette should put on ban on recruiting anyone from Minnesota.
It could be he felt that McMorrow and Otule were going to be ahead of him next year. It sounds like Burke was ahead of him this year. I think we could lose other players just because they will not be willing not to be starters. It will give Otlule more minutes this year, which will help in the long run.
Quote from: bilsu on August 25, 2008, 07:47:22 AM
It could be he felt that McMorrow and Otule were going to be ahead of him next year. It sounds like Burke was ahead of him this year. I think we could lose other players just because they will not be willing not to be starters. It will give Otlule more minutes this year, which will help in the long run.
I agree - he probably felt he was going to be a major player at MU and the injury created a huge setback. In the end, TM will probably regret this decision.
I'd like to make a motion that MU no longer recruit players from the Land of the Lakes. Any other takers?
Also, now it will give us a chance to hear more about the one player nobody ever, ever mentions - Pat Hazel.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on August 25, 2008, 08:32:55 AM
Also, now it will give us a chance to hear more about the one player nobody ever, ever mentions - Pat Hazel.
Ironic because Hazel seemed to be the player most people wanted to cast off next April to make room for Snaer. Now Hazel has to become the fan favorite and provide 6-8 good bench minutes.
I was under the thinking that Mbakwe would transfer after this season so this catches me completely flush. Good work by Buzz in holding the news until he had a team meeting.
If losing Mbakwe means we can land Wilson, I'm all for it.
I can't blame him, he'll end up at one of the JUCO's in Minneapolis for a year, then probably go to Minnesota.
I'm sure being closer to his family had a lot to do with it.
We don't need another sf. We need pf's or C's.
Jeronne had better qualify now. And I agree with the sentiment that we should just forget about Minnesota players for awhile.
Quote from: ecompt on August 25, 2008, 09:04:21 AM
Jeronne had better qualify now. And I agree with the sentiment that we should just forget about Minnesota players for awhile.
I think the other people were joking. It's ludicrous to blame a whole state for Amo and Mbakwe's unstable tenures at MU. Lets not recruit Florida or Texas because of Boo Christian and Karon Bradley.
Amo and Mbakwe are the tip of the iceberg. I'm not talking about just guys that had a falling-out or left the school. I'm talking about that and quality of player of late. See Fitzgerald and Kinsella.
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 25, 2008, 12:35:30 AM
One nutty kid. Never did get a good vibe about him. Expectations for next year now become 2nd round/Sweet 16 whereas with Trevor Sweet 16/Elite Eight.
Completely unfair statement on both points. These personal reasons are very legit, and if you were in his situation you'd have a tough decision to make.
Also on the expectations- we have no idea what his contribution would have been. It would have been an extended freshman year in the BE for him, it's hard to say he'd have a consistent enough impact to make that big of a difference.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on August 25, 2008, 09:32:30 AM
Amo and Mbakwe are the tip of the iceberg. I'm not talking about just guys that had a falling-out or left the school. I'm talking about that and quality of player of late. See Fitzgerald and Kinsella.
Whoa, whoa. Leave Fitz alone. He was no super star, but he was a solid contributor off the bench. Just because he didn't live up to the Novak standard doesn't mean he was a scrub we never should have had on our team.
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 25, 2008, 09:53:13 AM
Completely unfair statement on both points. These personal reasons are very legit, and if you were in his situation you'd have a tough decision to make.
Also on the expectations- we have no idea what his contribution would have been. It would have been an extended freshman year in the BE for him, it's hard to say he'd have a consistent enough impact to make that big of a difference.
You don't spring a decision like this on your teammates and coaches the day before school starts. Nothing's changed the situation is the same.
I'm not so certain that this is any great loss. All Trevor ever had going for himself was potential. The fact that people are so worked up over this loss speaks volumes as to how bare Crean left the big man cupboard.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2008, 01:11:06 AM
Well then Buzz is lying to us because he said he was totally caught off guard on Friday by this announcement...personally, I think he was caught off guard and has been recruiting for another bomb that will drop later (aka...someone doesn't make it academically...or he's doing it just in case they don't make it academically).
I can't wait for Hayward's response to this. ::)
Actually I wouldn't be surprised that Buzz was in fact recruiting for Mbakwe's scholarship but was shocked and caught off guard that the kid decided to leave so late this year and not wait until after the first semester or in spring.
And for those trying to knock Mbakwe's skills and contributions this year, don't. This was a huge blow and he would have been a huge contributor this year. The kid can jump, defend, rebound, block shots and score putbacks. All areas that we desperately need help in.
Absolute garbage....barring some unfortunate situation at home, to wait until now to make his decision is BS. All the time and energy the coaching staff undoubtedly devoted to this kid this summer is all down the drain. They could have been spending that time with Hazel, Burke, O'Tule, etc. This kid was nothing but a big waste of energy.
Yes, his injury was very unfortunate last season and you cannot blame anyone for that but if his heart wasn't at MU the entire off-season then he should've taken off in May. What a waste.
I'm hopeful that Hazel made significant progress in the off-season, that Burke continued his development and that we get some pleasant surprises out of O'Tule, Fulce and co.
actually, my comment about Minnesota goes all the way back to Rod Grosse. Comparing Minnesota to Texas is apples and oranges. Texas has become a huge hoops hotbed. Minnesota, well...you can win without ever recruiting in the state.
Yeah, but once you throw Tom Copa into the mix Minnesota looks a lot better!
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on August 25, 2008, 08:32:55 AM
I'd like to make a motion that MU no longer recruit players from the Land of the Lakes. Any other takers?
Not to offend you Mr. Berowitz but I'd like to make a motion that MU no longer recruits players from the land of Israel.
MU94 or anyone - what are the rules for coaches being able to run practices during the summer. I thought that they weren't supposed to be able to have practices and that the players were on their own for most/all of the time. Otherwise, what is the significance of midnight madness in October?
Quote from: PJDunn on August 25, 2008, 11:20:53 AM
Yeah, but once you throw Tom Copa into the mix Minnesota looks a lot better!
But when you add in Rod Grosse what happens.... ;)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 25, 2008, 10:26:50 AM
I'm not so certain that this is any great loss. All Trevor ever had going for himself was potential. The fact that people are so worked up over this loss speaks volumes as to how bare Crean left the big man cupboard.
He was a top 100 kid offered by many very solid programs...he's going to be good, let's not knock the kid's abilities. It's a loss, not catastrophic, but a loss especially with the timing.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2008, 11:30:16 AM
He was a top 100 kid offered by many very solid programs...he's going to be good, let's not knock the kid's abilities. It's a loss, not catastrophic, but a loss especially with the timing.
I think he is a substantial loss. Trevor is a big body we really needed.
Further evidence to my contention that Buzz needs to revamp the roster. Yes we have the 3 amigos and even with losing Trevor will be good this year. But Crean really failed in the recruiting circles after the 3 amigos, Lazar and Trevor would have been the 2 sole top 100 type players on the roster, cannot compete in the BE witht hat lack of talent. Then in season two all the blame would have gone on Buzz and potential recruits would be concerned about what is going on, is buzz safe etc. This is obviously not the guy you want to lose but buzz needs some big time talent to keep Mu on top in 2010. My hope is Buzz signs two more recruits ideally Snaer and Murray.
Unfortunately, this is starting to remind me of Diener's last year at MU when they were severely short at guard after he got hurt. Only this time it's in the frontcourt, not the backcourt. Any kind of injury to Burke, Hazel, or Otule and it could get really bad. Just imagine Maurice Acker having to cover Hasheem Thabeet down in the post. I do think Hazel will be a pleasant surprise to a certain extent. He's not chopped liver by any means.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 25, 2008, 10:26:50 AM
I'm not so certain that this is any great loss. All Trevor ever had going for himself was potential. The fact that people are so worked up over this loss speaks volumes as to how bare Crean left the big man cupboard.
Man, isn't that the truth? Dwight Burke needs to absolutely explode his senior season.
I think Trevor would have been a very integral, effective part of the team the next three years, so this hurts. Undersized, yes. I guess we'll never know what he would have done.
I hope Pat Hazel can step up...he definitely will benefit from this. Hopefully he can provide good minutes off the bench and cushion the blow.
Per Mark Miller: Mbakwe to attend MIAMI DADE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. I don't want to bash a college kid but this guy's a freaking head case. Good riddance.
very sad. my expectations just dropped tremendously.
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 25, 2008, 12:30:19 PM
Per Mark Miller: Mbakwe to attend MIAMI DADE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. I don't want to bash a college kid but this guy's a freaking head case. Good riddance.
Just doesn't make any sense at all. Family reasons...but going to Miami?
certainly we all have high hopes for Hazel and Burke to step up. it'll be interesting to see how Buzz adjusts to compensate for lack of size. Might not be a bad idea to shop for a 'walk-on' quality big as backup-unless Burke can go 40 min w/o foul trouble, and Otule surprises us all.
To now jump out and say, 'well, he wasn't very good anyway' is akin to people that see polls of the election and when they don't go your way, they just say, 'yeah, well that poll's worthless anyway!'
Fact of the matter is a lot of time, energy and effort went into recruiting and rehabilitating Trevor. He was going to be a big, big cog for the team next year due to the bare coffers left by Crean. TM's now gone and he did so at the last possible friggin' minute.
I understand that there could be a lot of personal issues going on, but it's pathetic that he did this at this time and place.
NOTE - I did like Fitz. And he was never billed to be a superstar. I just blanked out momentarily on all the others from MN that MU's had that never really did a lot. Bottom line, there are other states to be recruiting players from other than MN.
Continuity just took another hit. :(
Minnesota to South Beach, wow.
That choice is puzzling. Then again, he went from MN to GA and back for his senior year of HS. This might not be the last move in the JUCO ranks.
This has the makings of a certain school being his destination and not having enough scholarships available right now. So he says what the heck I'll go experience South Beach for a few months in the meantime.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on August 25, 2008, 11:53:47 AM
Further evidence to my contention that Buzz needs to revamp the roster. Yes we have the 3 amigos and even with losing Trevor will be good this year. But Crean really failed in the recruiting circles after the 3 amigos, Lazar and Trevor would have been the 2 sole top 100 type players on the roster, cannot compete in the BE witht hat lack of talent. Then in season two all the blame would have gone on Buzz and potential recruits would be concerned about what is going on, is buzz safe etc. This is obviously not the guy you want to lose but buzz needs some big time talent to keep Mu on top in 2010. My hope is Buzz signs two more recruits ideally Snaer and Murray.
I have to agree with you. The '07 recruiting class has become a disaster. Only Hazel remains, with two transferring out and one (Damian Saunders) never even making it to campus. You can't have a class that like and expect to stay in the top half of the Big East.
Quote from: RJax55 on August 25, 2008, 01:12:55 PM
I have to agree with you. The '07 recruiting class has become a disaster. Only Hazel remains, with two transferring out and one (Damian Saunders) never even making it to campus. You can't have a class that like and expect to stay in the top half of the Big East.
So does this count as a Crean transfer or a Williams transfer? Afterall, didn't Trevor recommit to Buzz and spend the last 4 months under his belt? Just asking.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2008, 01:52:54 PM
So does this count as a Crean transfer or a Williams transfer? Afterall, didn't Trevor recommit to Buzz and spend the last 4 months under his belt? Just asking.
Does it really matter? There was probably no keeping the kid no matter who the coach was. Crean took a gamble on him and a big warning sign was how he switched schools constantly in h.s. It's all water under the bridge now assessing blame is pointless.
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 25, 2008, 01:55:52 PM
Does it really matter? There was probably no keeping the kid no matter who the coach was. Crean took a gamble on him and a big warning sign was how he switched schools constantly in h.s. It's all water under the bridge now assessing blame is pointless.
Gamble?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2008, 01:52:54 PM
So does this count as a Crean transfer or a Williams transfer? Afterall, didn't Trevor recommit to Buzz and spend the last 4 months under his belt? Just asking.
Depends what your agenda is. The fact of the matter is Trevor leaving MU is a loss for the program. I'll let others debate who is to blame.
Quote from: marqptm on August 25, 2008, 02:11:44 PM
Gamble?
He barely qualified and had a history of instability regarding basketball teams. I'd say he was a gamble.
Quote from: ecompt on August 25, 2008, 12:43:29 AM
Now we know why Buzz kept recruiting. But junior-college? Sounds like he's lost all confidence in himself.
Did Buzz release Trevor to the school of his choice? If not, going JC for a year does make sense.
Quote from: MarquetteFan94 on August 25, 2008, 10:51:21 AM
Absolute garbage....barring some unfortunate situation at home, to wait until now to make his decision is BS. All the time and energy the coaching staff undoubtedly devoted to this kid this summer is all down the drain. They could have been spending that time with Hazel, Burke, O'Tule, etc. This kid was nothing but a big waste of energy.
Yes, his injury was very unfortunate last season and you cannot blame anyone for that but if his heart wasn't at MU the entire off-season then he should've taken off in May. What a waste.
+1. I know he's just a kid, but its tough not to lose some respect for the guy. If reports have been true, he demanded to be on the team last year though it was clear he was not physically ready. He denied considering transferring in April, only to catch the team by surprise by transferring in August. Either he's getting bad advice or he's a confused kid. MU will miss him, but my guess is he'll end up missing MU more.
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 25, 2008, 02:17:22 PM
He barely qualified and had a history of instability regarding basketball teams. I'd say he was a gamble.
He had trouble qualifying, so he switched to a better educational facility.
I'm failing to see the gamble. We aren't talking Dameon Mason here.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on August 25, 2008, 02:30:47 PM
+1. I know he's just a kid, but its tough not to lose some respect for the guy. If reports have been true, he demanded to be on the team last year though it was clear he was not physically ready. He denied considering transferring in April, only to catch the team by surprise by transferring in August. Either he's getting bad advice or he's a confused kid. MU will miss him, but my guess is he'll end up missing MU more.
Mbakwe was always a risky recruit. Nobody should be surprised about the outcome. The timing is what is surprising.
Quote from: dennycrane on August 25, 2008, 02:23:35 PM
Did Buzz release Trevor to the school of his choice? If not, going JC for a year does make sense.
Going JC makes a ton of sense...it's the only way he won't have to sit out this year.
The thing is Trevor seemed to want his degree ASAP so he demanded to play last year. Now he is missing a year of eligibility and will have to sit out a year. Go figure, does he think he is going to be the second coming of Michael Jordon for the Gophers? Also doesn't playing JUCO mean when he does come back he will only have two years left of eligibility?
Quote from: NCMUFan on August 25, 2008, 02:41:52 PM
The thing is revor seemed to want his degree ASAP so he demanded to play last year. Now he is missing a year of eligibility and will have to sit out a year. Go figure, does he think he is going to be the second coming of Michael Jordon for the Gophers?
Actually if he goes JUCO, which it sounds like he is, I don't believe he has to sit out.
But he will be down to two years of eligibility. Sounds like he took an Amo pill or something. Any signs of SuperMario Troll?
Quote from: marqptm on August 25, 2008, 02:33:33 PM
I'm failing to see the gamble. We aren't talking Dameon Mason here.
Actually we are talking a Mason like situation, except that Mason actually played at all the high schools he went to, and he wasn't as much of an academic question mark.
Mbakwe's first transfer(to Wheeler in Georgia) had nothing to do with academics. It was to get him out of Minnesota and away from bad influences that his family thought would drag him down. He didn't want to go, and even until the day he left was trying to stay in Minnesota. Then he came back to Minnesota after a month or so, and completed his junior season only to nearly transfer back to Wheeler, before finally going to St. Bernard's. It wasn't a case of a kid trying to find a high school where he fit in academically.
He also ditched his Pulley Panthers AAU team in mid-season in order to play with the World Wide Renegades, angering a ton of people in Minnesota.
Transferring for family reasons is one thing. If he were homesick and wanted to be back in Minnesota, that's one thing. To walk out of your team now to go to Miami Dade tells me Trevor is a fool. He'll do his one year there and then sign with the Gophers, where he won't have to worry about facing more than one or two good teams a season.
I thought I read that he was going to a community college in MN somewhere, is that true?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on August 25, 2008, 04:08:27 PM
I thought I read that he was going to a community college in MN somewhere, is that true?
Not to be rude, but who cares? The guy is gone and put our program in a really bad situation, good riddance.
supermario (a friend of Amoroso's) predicted this on MU boards several years ago-----he laid down odds that Mbakwe would be gone within 2 years-----and not to the NBA.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 25, 2008, 04:48:54 PM
supermario (a friend of Amoroso's) predicted this on MU boards several years ago-----he laid down odds that Mbakwe would be gone within 2 years-----and not to the NBA.
Yes, but he also said it would be because of Crean. Crean's gone, Trevor recommitted to Buzz and then left 4 months later anyway. Go figure.
I think he was gone, if Crean stayed. He got caught up in the hoopla of playing for Buzz. There was a reason there were all those rumors about transferring. The older I get, the more I realize that unhappiness comes from within and not from other people. Mbakwe's unhappiness had nothing to do with Crean and therefore the change to Buzz could not change his unhappiness in the long-term. If he was happy here, he could have made a difference this year. I think his attitude would of hurt the team if he had stayed. I wish him luck and hope he solves his issues.
Quote from: bilsu on August 25, 2008, 05:39:48 PM
I think he was gone, if Crean stayed. He got caught up in the hoopla of playing for Buzz. There was a reason there were all those rumors about transferring. The older I get, the more I realize that unhappiness comes from within and not from other people. Mbakwe's unhappiness had nothing to do with Crean and therefore the change to Buzz could not change his unhappiness in the long-term. If he was happy here, he could have made a difference this year. I think his attitude would of hurt the team if he had stayed. I wish him luck and hope he solves his issues.
Considering Buzz was essentially hired three days after Crean left, getting caught up in the hoopla doesn't jive for me. With the new coach in place well over 4 months ago, that hoopla should have ended somewhere around early July at the latest.
Odd duck.
as one poster so aptly put it months ago, baby, mama, drama.
I am on the boat of "Who cares and screw him". Really, he was a top recruit and he looked like he COULD be a greater rebounder. Outside of that, I don't know what kind of player he is going to become. The biggest question is who is going to fill Barro's shoes and I think its either going to be Burke or Otule. So who cares and screw him.
It's kind of like going fishing and having a big fish on that breaks your line. You know it was big, but never sure how big or what it was.
The timing stinks, and leaves us in a lurch for this year. I can't imagine Buzz was totally broadsided by this, but also don;t think he thought it would happen. But maybe that's why he kept recruiting. We need to land a top 100 recruit for 2009. There is talk of using the scholie this year, but that seems really remote eith this timing.
Ugh - we are going to hurt for the 2008-2009 season becuase of this, but we do still have players who will need to step it up - if they can, we could still be fine. If not, the bigs in the BEeast will be merciless on us - we'll have to be better and faster.
What a blow.
I think I already posted this but maybe not. Anyway, I was wondering what school TM was planning on attending?? I read somewhere that he may go the community college route, if so which one?
I'm not convinced the timing of this was so bad. If he announces, let's say back in June. Buzz would most likely feel obligated to fill that spot with another JUCO or some other leftover.
Now it is banked, and Buzz can continue to hit the recruiting trail. Hopefully the cooling off of Jamil will prompt him to make an earlier decision.
Jamil in 2009! Yes we can!
Quote from: NCMUFan on August 25, 2008, 09:00:48 PM
It's kind of like going fishing and having a big fish on that breaks your line. You know it was big, but never sure how big or what it was.
+1
This is a blow but I am confident that Buzz will fill in the open scholly with a quality player
On the bright side of things...at least I have more of a reason to check this board while I am at work!
Enough about Kinsella...
He's lighting it up abroad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMV9vhPrLYk
Quote from: NCMUFan on August 25, 2008, 09:00:48 PM
It's kind of like going fishing and having a big fish on that breaks your line. You know it was big, but never sure how big or what it was.
Or maybe it was just a snag. :)
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 25, 2008, 11:39:16 PM
Enough about Kinsella...
He's lighting it up abroad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMV9vhPrLYk
man he really looks good in that highlight. i saw him at murphy's friday night
Quote from: reinko on August 25, 2008, 09:42:41 PM
I'm not convinced the timing of this was so bad. If he announces, let's say back in June. Buzz would most likely feel obligated to fill that spot with another JUCO or some other leftover.
Now it is banked, and Buzz can continue to hit the recruiting trail. Hopefully the cooling off of Jamil will prompt him to make an earlier decision.
Jamil in 2009! Yes we can!
That's an interesting and insightful way to find a silver lining. It's true, there would've been expectations and/or efforts to fill in the vacancy immediately and chances are that in the long run it would've been a less that satisfactory gap-filler. Now, we know who needs to step up and while it's not exactly where we'd want to be, it does open things a bit for the future.
Young immature kids make young, immature decisions all the time. Looking back, I don't know how many times I thought about transferring from MU. It looks so easy to us now looking back. Fact is, this probably hurts Trevor's b-ball career more than it hurts MU with all the starts and stops he'll have in his development. But, he isn't happy for whatever reason, and it is his decision--so be it and good luck. Buzz got it right--no need to dance the hokey pokey. Better to go with the guys who want to be here. Patrick Hazel, your table is ready!
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 25, 2008, 11:39:16 PM
Enough about Kinsella...
He's lighting it up abroad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMV9vhPrLYk
Must be a different guy, or they all correct in the can't develop a BIG theory.
Does anyone know why my post for Mbakwe's destination keeps getting pulled? Just curious.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on August 26, 2008, 08:57:53 AM
Does anyone know why my post for Mbakwe's destination keeps getting pulled? Just curious.
It's not getting pulled, that topic is being merged into this thread. Check out page 5, both the posts are still there.
Quote from: MUfan2 on August 25, 2008, 04:45:31 PM
Not to be rude, but who cares? The guy is gone and put our program in a really bad situation, good riddance.
I care, thats why I asked. Live in St. Paul near a community college where he was rumored to go. I be interested in the games if he went there.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on August 26, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
I care, thats why I asked. Live in St. Paul near a community college where he was rumored to go. I be interested in the games if he went there.
I would hope it would be to heckle.
Trevor: Are they booing me coach?
Coach at Land O' Lakes Community College: No. No. They are saying Mbooooooooookwe. It's a cheer. Go Mbooooooookwe.
I may have mislead you on that. It was meant to be sarcasm. I mean, the reality of playing in front of 18000 spectators on ESPN for a national audience versus playing in a CC gymnasium. Now that is funny!
Quote from: esotericmindguy on August 26, 2008, 10:12:40 AM
I care, thats why I asked. Live in St. Paul near a community college where he was rumored to go. I be interested in the games if he went there.
Really? You'd be interested in watching a game at a community college that has a player that screwed our program pretty good? Really?
I wouldn't call that "esoteric." I'd call that stupid.
The reason nobody has answered your stupid question is because 1) Nobody cares, and 2) He hasn't said where he's going yet.
Quote from: MUfan2 on August 26, 2008, 11:12:26 AM
The reason nobody has answered your stupid question is because 1) Nobody cares, and 2) He hasn't said where he's going yet.
I'm interested in where he goes because it would provide some insight as to why he left.
If he really goes to Miami for JuCo, then it would appear that its not a family issue that would keep him back in MN. If this happens, I won't be able to make heads or tails of this whole thing.
If he goes back to JuCo in MN, then there could be a legit family issue that he (and MU) are keeping out of the public eye. In this case it's hard to fault the kid because we probably don't know all of the information.
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 26, 2008, 11:25:37 AM
I'm interested in where he goes because it would provide some insight as to why he left.
If he really goes to Miami for JuCo, then it would appear that its not a family issue that would keep him back in MN. If this happens, I won't be able to make heads or tails of this whole thing.
If he goes back to JuCo in MN, then there could be a legit family issue that he (and MU) are keeping out of the public eye. In this case it's hard to fault the kid because we probably don't know all of the information.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I could care less what the reason he left is. He was going to be a huge contributor for us, and now he left us in a horrible position in a year we could have done some real damage. Good riddance. I have a feeling he'll regret this decision for a very long time.
Quote from: MUfan2 on August 26, 2008, 11:49:05 AM
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I could care less what the reason he left is. He was going to be a huge contributor for us, and now he left us in a horrible position in a year we could have done some real damage. Good riddance. I have a feeling he'll regret this decision for a very long time.
Well, I guess I'm waiting to see if there is more to the story.
Maybe the kid is a flake. I don't know. I don't think this is the end of the story though.
I would hate to make statements like you just did (good riddance, he'll regret this, etc.) if it turns out he has a sick family member, or something that would make it necessary for him to be in MN.
Maybe you could wait a week or so because you start the "good riddance" attitude.
Quote from: MUfan2 on August 26, 2008, 11:12:26 AM
Really? You'd be interested in watching a game at a community college that has a player that screwed our program pretty good? Really?
I wouldn't call that "esoteric." I'd call that stupid.
The reason nobody has answered your stupid question is because 1) Nobody cares, and 2) He hasn't said where he's going yet.
Oh did someone hurt your feelings because he decided to go elsewhere. 1)Actually people do care, which is why you answered the question. You obviously care enough to answer it. And yes, I would go watch him play, I like basketball and MU will be fine....the guy looked lost against good competition last year.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on August 26, 2008, 12:07:12 PM
Oh did someone hurt your feelings because he decided to go elsewhere. 1)Actually people do care, which is why you answered the question. You obviously care enough to answer it. And yes, I would go watch him play, I like basketball and MU will be fine....the guy looked lost against good competition last year.
Yes, he hurt my feelings because he hurt my team. And I wasn't even one of the guys on this board patting his back with the 10 pages of Chuck Norris-isms. Can't believe those people aren't more pissed than I am.
So no, I don't give a s*#t
why he left. All I know is
how he left and
when he left, both of which were very damaging to my team. So good riddance.
Quote from: MUfan2 on August 26, 2008, 12:18:53 PM
So no, I don't give a s*#t why he left. All I know is how he left and when he left, both of which were very damaging to my team. So good riddance.
He's not a basketball machine... he's a basketball player.
I can respect your reaction (I felt the same way when I heard), but I would caution you to withhold judgment on the kid because he's a person with a real family and responsibilities outside of hoops.
Like I said, the kid might turn out to be a total fraud and left just because it was too hard... or maybe he ended up leaving for an important reason that would trump basketball.
Why are you so quick to judge? Do you know something we don't?
Buzz's reaction kind of makes it feel like the departure wasn't kosher. I mean, if I was having family problems wouldn't at some point before you take off share that with your coach or roommate or teammate or someone at MU?
Quote from: NCMUFan on August 26, 2008, 01:55:37 PM
Buzz's reaction kind of makes it feel like the departure wasn't kosher. I mean, if I was having family problems wouldn't at some point before you take off share that with your coach or roommate or teammate or someone at MU?
Agree 100%... but I'm just waiting to see what happens because something seems fishy here.
Might be that the kid is a flake... might be that there is really something going on.
Quote from: MUfan2 on August 26, 2008, 12:18:53 PM
10 pages of Chuck Norris-isms. Can't believe those people aren't more pissed than I am.
Still one of the funniest threads ever. Maybe he just felt he couldn't live up to the hype of that thread :P
This thread should be merged with another thread: http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=9816.0
DeCourcy scored a minor coup by reporting this in a timely manner.
But what bothers me is that "someone" advised Trevor to go Juco...and he listened.
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 26, 2008, 02:50:18 PM
Agree 100%... but I'm just waiting to see what happens because something seems fishy here.
Might be that the kid is a flake... might be that there is really something going on.
I think the kid is a flake. Way to go Trevor....work the system by using MU's resources to help with your rehab and workout with the team all summer only to bail the Friday before classes start...hmmm...I'm sure that wasn't choreographed. He milked it for what he could. Good riddance.
I hope that Trevor felt that Marquette had enough talent at the 4 and 5 this and next year that his playing time would dwindle.