http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?SID=910&Year=2009&ra_key=1642 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?SID=910&Year=2009&ra_key=1642)
Notable Marquette Recruits/Commits:
Maymon Jumped 18 spots from #60 to #42
Wilson dropped two spots from #58 to #60
E. Williams dropped 3 spots from #91 to #94
Junior Doesn't make the list
Michael Dixon dives 25 spots from #75 to #100
Shawn Kemp plummets #25 to #83
If we had Wilson signed, but not Maymon... would people be claiming that Maymon is a must get?
I've never seen either play in person, so I'm not evaluating their talent (I can't)... just evaluating the commentary here.
Also of interest:
Abdul Gaddy #14 (and a total longshot)
Eric Bledsoe#73
Darius Smith #80
Johnny Lacy #97
Michael Dixon #100
Chris Colvin #119
Omari Lawrence #136
AJ Walton #143
Quote from: 2002mualum on July 01, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
If we had Wilson signed, but not Maymon... would people be claiming that Maymon is a must get?
I've never seen either play in person, so I'm not evaluating their talent (I can't)... just evaluating the commentary here.
If that were the case, my guess is most people would feel that he's a local kid to keep an eye on and see how it all shakes out. The clamor wouldn't be as strong as we see it for Wilson because of other factors in the equation.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 01, 2008, 04:07:39 PM
Also of interest:
Abdul Gaddy #14 (and a total longshot)
Eric Bledsoe#73
Darius Smith #80
Johnny Lacy #97
Michael Dixon #100
Chris Colvin #119
Omari Lawrence #136
AJ Walton #143
Dixon, who was already a long shot is likely out, he gave his top 5 last week and MU wasn't in it.
Quote from: nola03 on July 01, 2008, 05:22:27 PM
If that were the case, my guess is most people would feel that he's a local kid to keep an eye on and see how it all shakes out. The clamor wouldn't be as strong as we see it for Wilson because of other factors in the equation.
What are the factors? Hype? geography?
I went through the whole list and there are several changes to who lists MU. We are not included on the lists for Gaddy, Smith, Lawrence, Jennings, Fitzgerald, Kemp and Walton.
The following are the players who include us on their list:
46 Glen Rice 6-4 G
47 Michael Snaer 6-4 G
48 Terrance Boyd 6-5 F
59 Richard Howell 6-7 F
60 Jamil Wilson 6-7 F
82 Thomas Robinson 6-8 F
85 Mike Moser 6-8 F
88 Kevin Parone 6-6 F
89 Victor Rudd 6-7 F
92 Nick Russell 6-4 G
97 Johnie Lacy 5-10 G
100 Michael Dixon 6-0 G
106 Lakem Jackson 6-5 F
109 Nick Garcia 6-6 G
111 Joe Nurton 6-7 C
113 Sherrod Wright 6-4 G
117 Anthony Stover 6-9 C
119 Chris Colvin 6-2 G
122 Ray Turner 6-8 F
148 Isaiah Philmore 6-7 F
111 should be Joe Burton
Quote from: 2002mualum on July 01, 2008, 05:55:06 PM
What are the factors? Hype? geography?
I think there are factors with both players. For Wilson, you have a kid who was around the MU program quite a bit in the past and there was some emotional investment there not to mention that he was the leaning tower of Racine in terms of a commit to the Warriors. Also, his potential is unlimited. People will point to his inconsistency in AAU but it could just be a case of a talented kid who's a little bored with his competition knowing already where he's going to be playing in college. On the Maymon side, we all know the factors involved. As for geography, maybe people feel getting a kid out of Racine is more important then out of Madison considering the distance and precedent of previous players (Butler, Van Exel).
Of those who have us listed I think Michael Snaer would be my first option. Seems to me to be a special talent. I just read this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=francisco_joel&id=3461450 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/columns/story?columnist=francisco_joel&id=3461450)
Does anyone know the latest on this kid?
The Madison area has and will continue to produce far more qualified elite prospects than Racine. I'd much rather continue to develop our relationships with the Madison schools than Racine. Plus Maymon is by most accounts better than Wilson.
Quote from: Stone Cold on July 02, 2008, 10:46:28 AM
The Madison area has and will continue to produce far more qualified elite prospects than Racine. I'd much rather continue to develop our relationships with the Madison schools than Racine. Plus Maymon is by most accounts better than Wilson.
Since I'm not in state and don't follow it too closely, help me out with NBA players (not just roster fillers) that have come out of Madison recently.
Also, I don't think developing relationships in both Racine or Madison is a mutually exclusive situation.
I would have been pushing for Maymon just hard as Wilson. Wilson has unbelievable upside potential and will end up one of the most recruited kids in state history. Regarding Maymon, I was pulling for us to get him since my 1st post, same as Lacy.
The fact that one is from Racine and the other is from Madison means nothing to me. They both are basically local kids who are highly sought after nationally. Why would you not want both of them equally as much.
If Lacy is good enough for TN than he is good enough for MU in my opinion. Qualify? He will ultimately qualify like every kid does.
Quote from: nola03 on July 02, 2008, 01:27:26 PM
Since I'm not in state and don't follow it too closely, help me out with NBA players (not just roster fillers) that have come out of Madison recently.
Also, I don't think developing relationships in both Racine or Madison is a mutually exclusive situation.
I'll just list the Madison kids who went on or will go on to start at major D1 schools over the last 10 years. It looks like an average of about one a year. Feel free to help me out if I missed some.
Lewis Monroe
Reece Gaines
Vander Blue
Wes Matthews
Flavien Davis (projection)
Jeronne Maymon
Roy Boone (maybe pre-2000?)
Michael Flowers
Keaton Nankivil
Flavien Davis is from Milwaukee. Plays at Wisconsin Lutheran.
Quote from: muwarrior87 on July 02, 2008, 03:14:40 PM
Flavien Davis is from Milwaukee. Plays at Wisconsin Lutheran.
nice catch, my bad
Quote from: Wareagle on July 02, 2008, 02:54:39 PM
I'll just list the Madison kids who went on or will go on to start at a major D1 schools over the last 10 years. It looks like an average of about one a year. Feel free to help me out if I missed some.
Lewis Monroe
Reece Gaines
Vander Blue
Wes Matthews
Flavien Davis (projection)
Jeronne Maymon
Roy Boone (maybe pre-2000?)
Michael Flowers
Keaton Nankivil
Another projection is Marquis Mason from Madison East, although I am not sure if he will end up at a "major" school.
Quote from: nola03 on July 02, 2008, 01:27:26 PM
Since I'm not in state and don't follow it too closely, help me out with NBA players (not just roster fillers) that have come out of Madison recently.
Also, I don't think developing relationships in both Racine or Madison is a mutually exclusive situation.
You said getting a kid out of Racine "is far more important" than Madison and that's dead wrong considering college. Get with the times, Nola.
Quote from: Stone Cold on July 02, 2008, 04:50:15 PM
You said getting a kid out of Racine "is far more important" than Madison and that's dead wrong considering college. Get with the times, Nola.
You added the word "far" in the quoted above. I never, never, wrote that word anywhere in my post (my quote is below in bold). I think you're simply looking to be a prickly jerk provoking me to get into it. My point is proven because I mentioned NBA players with regard to Racine yet you harp on college players with regard to Madison. That would be a separate discussion so it seems your only point is to drive an agenda (that's popular these days in MU fandom). Get with the times, Steve Austin.
And, the full context of that comment was this:
As for geography, maybe people feel getting a kid out of Racine is more important then out of Madison considering the distance and precedent of previous players (Butler, Van Exel).Notice the word "maybe"? Perhaps there are some people who feel Racine is a better place to get a player then Madison. MU has done well before in that area. The area has produced NBA players. If you're getting an NBA-potential prospect you know you'll have some degree of success. Not all MU fans feel this way. Certainly you don't feel this way about location. But I think it's a possibility for some as to why there's such a strong following for Jamil Wilson. And, really, that was the question posed to me in the first place.
Chones and McIlvanie were from Racine.
Quote from: Stone Cold on July 02, 2008, 04:50:15 PM
You said getting a kid out of Racine "is far more important" than Madison and that's dead wrong considering college. Get with the times, Nola.
pretty weak to change someone's quote to suit your argument when it's written right above it in the thread.
Quote from: nola03 on July 02, 2008, 09:26:14 AM
I think there are factors with both players. For Wilson, you have a kid who was around the MU program quite a bit in the past and there was some emotional investment there not to mention that he was the leaning tower of Racine in terms of a commit to the Warriors. Also, his potential is unlimited. People will point to his inconsistency in AAU but it could just be a case of a talented kid who's a little bored with his competition knowing already where he's going to be playing in college. On the Maymon side, we all know the factors involved. As for geography, maybe people feel getting a kid out of Racine is more important then out of Madison considering the distance and precedent of previous players (Butler, Van Exel).
Van Exel was from Kenosha(St. Joe's High) not Racine.
Is there really a debate here about whether it's better to get kids from Racine or Madison as if a) the two were mutually exclusive and b) it matters?
And if we're going to recrtuit on the basis of what region produces NBA players, then should Marquette ignore Wisconsin altogether? The Cheese State ain't exactly a hot bed of NBA talent.
Midnight Madness cannot come soon enough, I guess.
+1....what is even the argument? Recruiting is not done city by city its done region by region I would consider the entire state of Wisconsin the recruiting region. With the increase in AAU basketball this argument is pointless as more and more players play for different teams (Maymon played for an illinois team)
This is like saying Buzz needs to start recruiting New Port Beach vs. Los Angeles...you recruit California the cream rises to the top
I don't know, dude (nola) brings up that we should be recruiting Racine and Wilson because it's some kind of Mecca. My only point is if I'm a college coach I'd much rather gain an "in" at Madison Memorial that Racine Horlick. And I think contemporary recruiting would prove that.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on July 02, 2008, 07:21:22 PM
pretty weak to change someone's quote to suit your argument when it's written right above it in the thread.
Good catch, quote officer:
"As for geography,
maybe people feel getting a kid out of Racine is more important then out of Madison considering the distance and precedent of previous players (Butler, Van Exel)." ::)
Quote from: bma725 on July 02, 2008, 07:51:30 PM
Van Exel was from Kenosha(St. Joe's High) not Racine.
And neither him nor Butler were eligible right after high school. In fact, Butler sat in jail for awhile.
C'mon...gimme a break...Racine is no more important than any other part of the state.