If Wilson, Lacy or Maymon are not signed the hiring of Buzz will do down as a BUST!!!! Three local kids that are impact players and we have to get them. If not, MU made a mistake they will live with for a long time. Everyone on here gets pissed at me for my thoughts. Trust me, I want Buzz/Mu to succeed.
If Buzz can get these local studs we have little chance of a great recruiting season. I would rather stress positives and say Buzz/MU can deliver these kids. He needs to know what the stakes are if he fails. I have no grudge with Buzz but he is no lose situation. He is making more money next season the he would would in five or six years as an assistant. First year or twelve year coach HE HAS TO DELIVER.
Guys...don't believe these kids, especially Wilson, cannot be had. KState got Beasley because the coach went and got him. Forget TX and recruit players of stature. If we cannot get these guys why would we believe that E. Williams will come here.
Buzz has to perform today not tomorrow.
Two of the three locals may not qualify. The third is being pursued by schools all across the nation.
Bottom line is Buzz Williams needs to get the players he feels will help keep Marquette in the upper half of the Big East Conference. While it would be nice to get some local players on the MU roster, where the recruits in the class of 2009 come from isn't as important as getting the right players. Buzz is off to a tremendous start with Erik Williams.
Quote from: MarkMiller on May 07, 2008, 10:55:41 PM
While it would be nice to get some local players on the MU roster, where the recruits in the class of 2009 come from isn't as important as getting the right players. Buzz is off to a tremendous start with Erik Williams.
On the contrary Mark i think where we recruit makes all the difference. I doubt that Buzz will be able attract many out of state talents to come into a system that looks up in the air in '09 with a very inexperienced head coach at the helm.
For their to be success with recruiting class we need to stay within Wisconsin almost exclusively (except for Donte Hill at SG) if we hope to succeed. We are offering playing time to kids who grew up liking MU or UW and right now Madison is out of scholarships for the '09 class leaving the state wide open to us. This also may set the president down the line that MU recruits well instate as well as in other states and Chicago (See my post Thoughts on Buzz's Recruiting Strategy for '09 for a much more indepth look).
Let me be the first to state this and may it go down in the archives: Lacy will come to MU and I give it a better than fifty percent chance that either Maymon or Wilson come here as well (my money being highly on Maymon). The '09 class will be made up mostly of Wisconsin recruits setting Buzz on a great track for years to come with Wisconsin recruits as well as prove to out of state recruits that he can make NBA talent as well. All in all I think Buzz's '09 class will come away with three four star prospects: E. Williams, Lacy, Maymon (and Donte Hill as a high three low four).
Landing the local guys might look good, but there are players outside of Wisconsin who might be better fits. Remember Buzz Williams and his staff have recruiting ties across the country so they are definitely not limited to Wisconsin and/or Chicago. Also remember ...
Maymon is super talented, but he needs to qualify. Still has a ways to go.
Lacy is a 5-11 guard who can score, but he also needs to qualify. Still has a ways to go.
Wilson remains a high priority and shoud qualify.
Also, define "local"? MU is not a state school. Yet, everyone is making a big deal about 6' 11" Evan Anderson "getting away." Eau Claire is 200 miles from MU.
6' 11" Kyle Rowley is from Lake Forest, only 45 miles away. MU offered him a scholarship and he committed to Northwestern. Yet, I hear little belly aching about this "local" kid getting away.
Again, MU is not a state school so their is nothing magical about the state line. It does matter more to UW because the people within the state line pay taxes to operate UW.
In the end if Buzz wants to establish "local cred," he be better off getting kids 80 miles away from Chicago than 200 miles away from the hinterlands of Wisconsin.
Quote from: MarkMiller on May 07, 2008, 11:28:34 PM
Landing the local guys might look good, but there are players outside of Wisconsin who might be better fits.
Who are better fits that Buzz is recruiting?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 07, 2008, 11:31:23 PM
Again, MU is not a state school so their is nothing magical about the state line. It does matter more to UW because the people within the state line pay taxes to operate UW.
So you think we all should be bears fans because Chicago is less far than Green Bay. State lines count my friend, a bad school can get a commit because he has liked the school all his life
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 07, 2008, 11:51:10 PM
So you think we all should be bears fans because Chicago is less far than Green Bay. State lines count my friend, a bad school can get a commit because he has liked the school all his life
Here's a crazy thought: Marquette should recruit and sign the best kids it can, regardless of their zip codes.
I agree, but what out of state kid wants to come to Marquette in '09? Realistically outside of the Houston area im banking on very few to none. Once Buzz proves his ability to coach, sure bring back the nation. But if you were a recruit from out of state in '09 who had scholarships to Pitt, Tex, Ken, Vill, and Mar tell me why you would think for a second to go play under a coach that has nothing to hang his hat on. People are very ignorant if they think that recruits think "o he worked under tom crean so he must be as good as tom crean". Right now he isnt. He isnt even close. Give him a couple of years
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 07, 2008, 11:51:10 PM
So you think we all should be bears fans because Chicago is less far than Green Bay. State lines count my friend, a bad school can get a commit because he has liked the school all his life
Racine and Kenosha have tons of bears fans. Same for Northwest Indiana. Downstate Il has tons of cardinal fans. Lots of Vikings fans in Northwest Wisconsin. Shall I continue?
If you poll people in Wisconsin as to which is the better school, MU or UW. UW probably wins. But the further you get from wisconsin the better MU does. Do the poll in Boston or San Diego and MU does much better in a poll than UW (I know I have). My point is MU is a "national" school. It should recruit nationally, more so than UW. The only thing that holds back its national recuriting is the weather, or preception of the weather.
Worrying about landing a kid 200 miles away as it might look bad to "local" recruiting is something state schools have to worry about, not private institutions.
Lastly, you think the ND boards are worried about Mike Brey's ability to recruit Indiana now that Crean took the IU job?
So you say that having Wilson, Lacy, and Maymon instate is the same (if not worse) if they were in say utah or virginia?
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 08, 2008, 12:06:43 AM
I agree, but what out of state kid wants to come to Marquette in '09? Realistically outside of the Houston area im banking on very few to none. Once Buzz proves his ability to coach, sure bring back the nation. But if you were a recruit from out of state in '09 who had scholarships to Pitt, Tex, Ken, Vill, and Mar tell me why you would think for a second to go play under a coach that has nothing to hang his hat on. People are very ignorant if they think that recruits think "o he worked under tom crean so he must be as good as tom crean". Right now he isnt. He isnt even close. Give him a couple of years
Why do you believe that a kid from Janesville (for example) is any less likely to have those concerns about Buzz than a kid from Chicago or Minneapolis or wherever else? That's a perception Buzz is going to have to deal with, regardless of where a recruit lives.
Also, I think you're making far too much of that particular issue. Will it hurt with some kids? You bet. Will it be as crippling as you claim? I doubt it. As has been proven at MU (and many other schools), a good recruiter can overcome that issue. Bob Dukiet and Mike Deane came to Marquette as "proven" head coaches. Tom Crean and Kevin O'Neill didn't. Which ones did the better job recruiting their first couple years?
All I know is, the kids MU gets from other parts of the country better like cold, snowy winters and hot, muggy summers!
Recruit both in state and out of state. This coming class we should be recruiting in state very hard. We really need every position after this season. How would the in state kids not fit in? I really cannot believe that anyone could or would be saying that getting these three is not of major importance for the program.
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on May 08, 2008, 07:21:12 AM
Recruit both in state and out of state. This coming class we should be recruiting in state very hard. We really need every position after this season. How would the in state kids not fit in? I really cannot believe that anyone could or would be saying that getting these three is not of major importance for the program.
You seem to be saying that if Buzz got three other guys of equal talent from different parts of the country that somehow this would represent a failure. I don't think anyone else thinks believes this to be the case. Get the best available regardless of what state they live in.
His best chance is getting kids within the state
AnotherMU---Take away the top five programs and every other program wants to get in state kids first. Calipari is coaching in Memphis for a reason....top talent in state every year. Getting the best in state kids makes a statement. In addition, the in state kids are the building blocks.
Of course you need out of state kids and some years out of state are better than in state. Again, it is far easier for Buzz and Co. to be Maymon or Wilson's games than games in TX for fourth team all state players.
IMO in state or local players means within a couple hundred miles. THat is where I would start from and then if program gains in stature you move further away.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 08, 2008, 08:12:17 AM
His best chance is getting kids within the state
You are wrong.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 08, 2008, 08:12:17 AM
His best chance is getting kids within the state
Well if there are 3 kids from WI who can play at a big east level and buzz has a 30% chance of landing each of them and 120 kids nationwide and buzz has a 5% chance of getting each i'd hope that he'd talk to the 120. Wisconsin doesn't produce enough talent to field 8 BE quality players when you are competeing against UW-mad and the rest of the country who doesn't seem to respect state lines like you all do.
Mu84 is dead on +1 to everything he wrote on this thread.
Rawdog---Recruiting local kids is based on familiarity. The more you see a kid the more you know if he is the "right" kid. There is no way you can become familiar with 120 kids. Unfortunately MU is an elite program, but the elite one's target certain kids around the country and get them. Scattergun recruiting is for losing programs in my opinion.
FYI---I agree that not every year is BE in state talent year. This upcoming season happens to be one. So lets get it done. I would say that every year there is 1-2 BE players locally.
I also wonder why, including me, all of us make judgements on kids, grades, character or their big mouth Dad's. It seems to me we are making excuses on why we cannot get someone. I want MU to hold themselves to high standard but come on we are not Duke, Northwestern or Stanford. We need to roll the dice from time to time. If DWade was not good case study then there never will be one.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 08, 2008, 08:12:17 AM
His best chance is getting kids within the state
That may or may not be the case, but it's irrelevant to the initial point: that landing in-state talent is necessary for MU's recruiting success.
I'm not even sure that MU has a better chance with in-state kids than it does with kids from other parts of the Midwest, but I do know that landing those kids will not determine the fate of Marquette basketball. UW needs to keep kids in state because that's always been its talent base. Wisconsin kids never have made up the bulk of Marquette's roster.
Pakuni--Agreed. Our two best performing teams over the past 15 years did have WI kids on them. KO's sweet 16 team and the Wade FF squad. On both teams the WI kids were very important part of the teams. They built the foundation.
Go back to 1977 team and while the studs were from out of state do we win championship without Jim Dudley's play against against KState? Do we win without Rosenberger outside shooting or Neary's role?
WI or Chicago kids are needed.
Quote from: Chili on May 08, 2008, 08:42:07 AM
You are wrong.
chili, your statement is more valid if you give me an example of what a better idea. And dont say Mu is a big east team so recruit the nation. In '09 who could Marquette ligitimately convince to come here from out of state?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 08, 2008, 07:43:15 AM
You seem to be saying that if Buzz got three other guys of equal talent from different parts of the country that somehow this would represent a failure. I don't think anyone else thinks believes this to be the case. Get the best available regardless of what state they live in.
I am not saying that because they are from Wisconsin they are a better option. I am saying that we have a much much better chance of getting instate talent because they have incentive to play close to home. Those from out of state have very little incentive to come here. I don't care what state they come from if we land four stars. Four stars are four stars. Im not biased but realistic. Buzz will have a hard time recruiting from out of state next year.
Have an idea: Lets have a conversation, you play Buzz and I play recruit. Sounds dumb I know but I want to see what you think Buzz can put on the table as a recruiter.
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on May 08, 2008, 08:59:44 AM
FYI---I agree that not every year is BE in state talent year. This upcoming season happens to be one. So lets get it done. I would say that every year there is 1-2 BE players locally.
Exactally
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 08, 2008, 10:28:12 AM
chili, your statement is more valid if you give me an example of what a better idea. And dont say Mu is a big east team so recruit the nation. In '09 who could Marquette ligitimately convince to come here from out of state?
chicago is more local than most of wisconsin. for fucks sake, we have one kid from wisconsin on the team this year and three from texas. i have a feeling that chicago is more important as they have far more talent and mu is more relevant there than say appleton.
Quote from: Chili on May 08, 2008, 12:23:57 PM
chicago is more local than most of wisconsin. for fracks sake, we have one kid from wisconsin on the team this year and three from texas. i have a feeling that chicago is more important as they have far more talent and mu is more relevant there than say appleton.
Correct, you are.
I'd venture to guess that more D-I talent comes out of the Chicago city limits (leaving out the suburbs) on a yearly basis than the entire state of Wisconsin. Toss in the 'burbs, and it's probably along the lines of 3- or 4-to-1.
Also, as you say, Marquette probably is better known and more respected in the Chicago area than in places like Eau Claire, LaCrosse and Stevens Point.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 08, 2008, 12:34:13 PM
Correct, you are.
I'd venture to guess that more D-I talent comes out of the Chicago city limits (leaving out the suburbs) on a yearly basis than the entire state of Wisconsin. Toss in the 'burbs, and it's probably along the lines of 3- or 4-to-1.
Also, as you say, Marquette probably is better known and more respected in the Chicago area than in places like Eau Claire, LaCrosse and Stevens Point.
I agree. UW doesn't have a single player from Wisconsin in their five player '08 class. They don't have one in '09 in their two player class. Under Bo Ryan they have picked off starters from Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois and South Dakota. Marquette and UW have to recruit an area larger than this state for the same reason that portfolio analysts diversify their stock holdings. You can't put all your eggs in one basket in college basketball recruiting.
The other thing everyone needs to keep in mind is that, as Mark Miller pointed out, there is a realistic possibility that some of MU's Wisconsin recruits may not qualify. I was encouraged by the additional names of recruits bma listed in another thread. Buzz' recruiting class should be judged on the quality of the players he brings in and whether or not they fill needs. I would be happy to accept recruits from Jupiter if they can play the point.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 08, 2008, 10:37:31 AM
Exactally
Yes, exactly and that's not enough to field a team. If you get 2/3rds of that 1 or 2 a year you won't have enough. And it is hard to recruit the entire nation but MN, IL, IN and now TX should all be area's we focus on.
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on May 08, 2008, 08:22:40 AM
AnotherMU---Take away the top five programs and every other program wants to get in state kids first. Calipari is coaching in Memphis for a reason....top talent in state every year. Getting the best in state kids makes a statement. In addition, the in state kids are the building blocks.
Of course you need out of state kids and some years out of state are better than in state. Again, it is far easier for Buzz and Co. to be Maymon or Wilson's games than games in TX for fourth team all state players.
IMO in state or local players means within a couple hundred miles. THat is where I would start from and then if program gains in stature you move further away.
Gymbar.... On Memphis roster last year there were 3 players from Tennessee, Andre Allen, Pierre Niles and Willie Kemp
the three combined for 9 points a game, and none started...
am not saying that in-state players aren't important, but please, please, don't just throw out information when you have no clue. Makes me have to look it up, since I knew you were wrong
Memphis starting 5 last yearRose - Chicago, IL
CDR - Detroit, MI
Antonio Anderson - Lynn, MA
Robert Dozier - Lithonia, GA
Joey Dorsey - Baltimore, MD
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/teams/roster?teamId=235
like I stated, getting Wilson, Lacy, Maymon would be fantastic, but it isn't nearly the end of the world.
Mayor---My point on Memphis is that is great recruiting grounds. Of course you need outside players than the city you play in. Calipari has the luxury to recruit everywhere and he does. But, if there is McDonald's AA in Memphis my bet is on him.
I have said a dozen times we need to recruit everywhere. Buzz is recruiting TX because he is familiar there. I say get familiar in WI, IL and elsewhere. Buzz recruiting in TX makes my point better than I do. He recruits there because he is comfortable there. He is now a head coach of a BE school in Milwaukee. I would get familiar here in a hurry.
Quote from: Chili on May 08, 2008, 12:23:57 PM
chicago is more local than most of wisconsin. for fracks sake, we have one kid from wisconsin on the team this year and three from texas. i have a feeling that chicago is more important as they have far more talent and mu is more relevant there than say appleton.
Chilli Give names. Generalizing makes your point hollow. Give me a recruit, just one who has expressed interest in Marquette for '09 and ONLY '09 from the Chicago area. You keep talking about the broad picture for the next few years and I AGREE WITH YOU. Stop arguing against a point I am not making. IN '09 ONLY the state of Wisconsin is the key.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 08, 2008, 03:07:08 PM
Chilli Give names. Generalizing makes your point hollow. Give me a recruit, just one who has expressed interest in Marquette for '09 and ONLY '09 from the Chicago area. You keep talking about the broad picture for the next few years and I AGREE WITH YOU. Stop arguing against a point I am not making. IN '09 ONLY the state of Wisconsin is the key.
yes sir almighty i bleed blue gold. damnit i am right.
Buzz's stature rises or falls based on '09 WI kids. Gets them he and the program move forward in a real positive way. If we end up three top 75-125 players from down south the '10 recruiting year is much tougher.
It almost seems to me that some fans have given up on the Big Three '09 WI kids because of a fear it won't happen. Would you put higher importance on getting them if we had a seasoned coach? If yes, why is Buzz treated differently.
KO came here and got Mac, Damon and Robb when it was a much bigger longshot. Those three concluded their careers in the sweet 16. KO got them because he was not going to take no. I am afraid Buzz is afraid of not getting them and hedging his bet. Again, Majerus losing Wolf sucked...but he pt the fullcourt press on. Buzz putting fullcourt press on the Big Three and failing would disappoint less than an Evan Anderson effort would.
Keep in mind there is a very real possilibity two of the three in state recruits will not qualify. Saying Buzz's stature rises of falls based on the 2009 state kids is completely off the mark. His stature could indeed rise or fall based on the four scholarships he awards in 2008/2009, regardless of the zip code.
Quote from: MarkMiller on May 08, 2008, 03:52:11 PM
Keep in mind there is a very real possilibity two of the three in state recruits will not qualify. Saying Buzz's stature rises of falls based on the 2009 state kids is completely off the mark. His stature could indeed rise or fall based on the four scholarships he awards in 2008/2009, regardless of the zip code.
Thank you Mark, I don't know how many times this has to be mentioned, but obviously it hasn't sunk in yet.
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on May 08, 2008, 03:48:57 PM
Buzz's stature rises or falls based on '09 WI kids. Gets them he and the program move forward in a real positive way. If we end up three top 75-125 players from down south the '10 recruiting year is much tougher.
Recruiting for Buzz will come down to how well the team performs in the next two years. Regardless of who he gets to commit for '09, if the team we have wins that year, the stigma of an inexperienced coach goes away.
You're pushing the issue two much. Those specific Wisconsin recruits don't matter for Marquette. How the team Buzz puts on the court performs - that's what will determine "our" future.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 08, 2008, 04:15:14 PM
Recruiting for Buzz will come down to how well the team performs in the next two years. Regardless of who he gets to commit for '09, if the team we have wins that year, the stigma of an inexperienced coach goes away.
I'm not so sure about that.
Tom Crean and Kevin O'Neill landed quality recruiting classes even after hovering around .500 their first couple of seasons.
I think we as fans fret far more over "the stigma of an inexperienced coach" far more than the vast majority of 16- and 17-year-old kids will.
Quote from: MarkMiller on May 08, 2008, 03:52:11 PM
Keep in mind there is a very real possilibity two of the three in state recruits will not qualify. Saying Buzz's stature rises of falls based on the 2009 state kids is completely off the mark. His stature could indeed rise or fall based on the four scholarships he awards in 2008/2009, regardless of the zip code.
+1000
What if they don't qualify? Does that ruin Buzz's career?
Get real guys. ::)
It's important to strongly recruit the 09 Wisconsin kids even if Buzz comes up short to send a message to all future in state kids that are studs that Marquette wants them and also send a message to out of state Coaches who come to Wisconsin to recruit that they are going to have to work hard to get these kids.
Well, more than likely it is an issue that Buzz is unproven - and that may cause some great players to glance off our attempts to get them. So how do we get around that? What can Buxx do? Prove himself. that;s it. I can't remember how Crean did his first and second year recruiting - assistant from Izzo, unproven. Let's compare who he got to what Buzz could get. . .I think Buzz will pan out and do well, but he does have to prove himself to get top players thinking I want to play for him.
Quote from: Daniel on May 08, 2008, 06:44:40 PM
I can't remember how Crean did his first and second year recruiting - assistant from Izzo, unproven. Let's compare who he got to what Buzz could get. . .I think Buzz will pan out and do well, but he does have to prove himself to get top players thinking I want to play for him.
Crean's first two classes of his own recruits(meaning not Krunti) were a mixed bag. The first year was IMO his best class: Wade, Merritt, Sanders and Blankson. The second year was both good and bad: Diener, Townsend, Menard and Howard....and I guess you could include Rob Jackson in that as well.
From Illinois, I'd go after Sean Pratl from Richards. He's only 6'8", but is supposedly good and is from DWade's defending state championship high school.
Quote from: bma725 on May 08, 2008, 06:55:29 PM
Crean's first two classes of his own recruits(meaning not Krunti) were a mixed bag. The first year was IMO his best class: Wade, Merritt, Sanders and Blankson. The second year was both good and bad: Diener, Townsend, Menard and Howard....and I guess you could include Rob Jackson in that as well.
Not a bad first year - Blankson was good, and would have helped us the Final Four year had he not trasnferred. I also recall TC lost at least one recruit a year for a while - which was tough - good ones sometimes (like Blankson).
Well, let's see how Buzz does his first year - I hope we start hearing some great commits soon! Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 08, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
I'm not so sure about that.
Tom Crean and Kevin O'Neill landed quality recruiting classes even after hovering around .500 their first couple of seasons.
I think we as fans fret far more over "the stigma of an inexperienced coach" far more than the vast majority of 16- and 17-year-old kids will.
On that I'd agree....getting them to come won't be effected that much by his inexperience.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 08, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
I'm not so sure about that.
Tom Crean and Kevin O'Neill landed quality recruiting classes even after hovering around .500 their first couple of seasons.
I think we as fans fret far more over "the stigma of an inexperienced coach" far more than the vast majority of 16- and 17-year-old kids will.
Of course, O'Neill and Crean didn't enter MU when they were attempting to compete at this level. Crean was top 5 all three years. Buzz has to stay at that level. That's why there's angst.
Quote from: Chili on May 08, 2008, 03:21:31 PM
yes sir almighty i bleed blue gold. damnit i am right.
I apologize for being rather direct. Im just as big of a Marquette fan as you are otherwise we wouldn't be arguing about something that won't really come to fruition until a half year from now. If you can find me a guy from Chicago who is interested in MU for '09 that would be a welcome surprise for me.
Quote from: nola03 on May 08, 2008, 08:26:29 PM
Of course, O'Neill and Crean didn't enter MU when they were attempting to compete at this level. Crean was top 5 all three years. Buzz has to stay at that level. That's why there's angst.
That's true.
But, if anything, that works in Buzz's favor, IMO. Unlike KO and Crean, he doesn't need to sell kids on himself as a coach AND a rebuilding program in a lesser conference with poor facilities. The program already is well established and the conference and facilities are top-notch. Buzz only need convince kids he can run a winning program and take their games to the next level.
What Buzz needs is for James and/or McNeal to really elevate their game/s this year and become first round picks. While Crean will still get some credit, clearly much of the progress that propelled them to first round status will go to Buzz. He will then have a name and example to point at when he is trying to convince recruits what he can do for their game. Add this to his demonstrated ability at buidling relationships and he could have some nice scores in the future.
I recognize this is not easily accomplished as it would seem James and McNeal both have some flaws they need to correct to really get a real chance at the next level.
The pressure on Buzz far outweighs KO or TC's start. KO inherited garbage and did not know any better than just go out and sell himself, which he did extremely well. TC inherited a mid level program and performed very well at recruiting. Buzz inherits a top 20 team and high expectations.
I agree 100% that high school kids do not care if he is experienced or not. Buzz gets no do overs if he fails. TC/MU put Buzz in a nearly impossible position to succeed. I am pulling for him and he does get it done. This upcoming recruiting season is more important than how we do next year.
I stated when the hiring process concluded that next season is only important to the kids on the team if you look at the big picture. Not to bring up a bad subject but I would have sacrificed next season when hiring a coach to win 3-5 from now at a bigger level.
GYM
What part of " MAY NOT QUALIFY" do you not understand?
MUMark...WHY ARE WE OFFERING SCHOLARSHIPS????????
QUIT MAKING EXCUSES!!!!
IF THEY CANNOT QUALIFY WHY ARE WE OFFERING SCHOLARSHIPS?????
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on May 09, 2008, 11:38:59 AM
MUMark...WHY ARE WE OFFERING SCHOLARSHIPS????????
QUIT MAKING EXCUSES!!!!
IF THEY CANNOT QUALIFY WHY ARE WE OFFERING SCHOLARSHIPS?????
Dwyane Wade?
Marqptm---Exactly, so we can get them. Everybody wants to make excuses on why we won't get them. I say lets put excuses away and get them.
Kids get offered scholarships all the time before you know whether or not they will qualify or not. Offers are made when they are Sophmores and juniors and sometimes earlier.
The point is you can't just focus on 2 or 3 in state kids when they might not even qualify. You offer them, recruit them, keep your eye on them but at the end of the day if they don't make it academically none of that matters.
Coaches have to decide how long they want to wait before pulling the trigger on someone else.
No excuses just facts. State players are nice but they don't always want to stay home and if thats the case their is nothing Buzz will be able to do about it.
Think Jerry Smith, Caron Butler, Joe Wolf, and numerous others.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 07, 2008, 11:59:51 PM
Here's a crazy thought: Marquette should recruit and sign the best kids it can, regardless of their zip codes.
AMEN
mviale---I agree with that. All I am saying is that this year we have three strong candidates to recruit locally. For the '09 recruiting season I think they should be top on the list. Obviously you have a long list of players. But, I think you recruit quality first and then go down your list.
MuMark--great list of names. I wish I had gotten all three of them. It sounds like to me Maymon just was offered scholarship recently. If so, I would hope Buzz and Co. haver done there homework on grades, character and family issues. Thus my point, no excuses. MU must want him and I see no reason why we do not get him. We need to hold the bar high.