Over the past few weeks I think it is a fair assumption that we all as Warrior fans have taken numerous blows to the gut regarding our basketball team: the loss of Crean, the backing out of Williams and Taylor (Williams going to IU salt on the wound), Jerel declaring (most expected it), and more recently the loss of Hibbert and Creeks to IU . Taking into aspects the situation of Marquette as of today I have a strategy for Buzz in '09.
Over the past few years Crean has developed the ability to pull kids in from across the nation with the publicity offered in 2003 by Wade and the Final Four appearance. I think that it is far to assume that the press garnered from the accomplishment, although not completely lossed with Crean's departure, has been vastly tinted as we get farther away from the magical year. Looking towards next year with a realistic eye we should finish in the middle of the Big East behind Georgetown, Louisville, Connecticut, Notre Dame, West Virginia, and Villanova.
My suggestion for the upcoming year is for Buzz Williams to shift to a more conservative approach with recruits. Although Marquette was on the brink of becoming a nationwide school (well maybe a school focused on Texas, New York, Chicago, and Wisconsin), I think it is imperative for Buzz to understand that he no longer has that appeal to eighteen year old men. It is obvious by the last few weeks that the major pull for kids coming to Marquette from across the nation was to play under Tom Crean, the guy who taught Wade. With Crean being gone I think that it would be foolish for Buzz to think that he can stand with bigger name schools with no track record or major incentives to come to Marquette (I know but we're in the big east, we have a good practice facility, we'll have playing time in 2009 - I agree with that one at least - but don't most schools have that and a good coach?).
If Buzz wants to get any of the recruits from the 2009 class he needs to stay within the State and focus on the very talented class in his own back yard. Right now Marquette is looking at Jamil Wilson, Johnnie Lacy, and Jeronne Maymon to name a few from Wisconsin. With Madison having most of its scholarships given out and MU offering four spots on a team with plenty of playing time Buzz has alot to offer kids who live in the state.
If it was up to me personally I would have an assistant coach or somebody at every basketball game Jamil Wilson plays in next year and Buzz should personally talk with Wilson on the phone or in person on a consitant basis. If he is half as good as they say he is he will quiet the critics who have risen since Creans departure. Does that seem a little extreme? Sure. But name the last five star recruit Marquette was able to get from inside the state. Moving on to Johnnie Lacy he shows an athleticism with small size drawing parallels to a certain Dominic James (o and he has a better three ball). Yes Jeronne Maymon plays the same position as Lazar and possibly Jamil but he is showing interest in Marquette and at this point any addition would be welcomed.
I think the only recruit that this idea doesn't apply for is Donte Hill. Right now Hill remains under the radar as a big shooting guard that will grow into a big name in the upcoming months. Marquette is the early favorite for this 6-3 guard and we offer a place where he can come in and play right away.
So lets take a few assumptions with my strategy. Being honest with ourselves Jamil will probably chose someone else (although i think my idea gives the best chance of us keeping him here). Lacy appears to have Marquette at the top of the list and I don't see him as that much of a reach being in Milwaukee. If Wilson commits elsewhere I see no reason why Marmon would not want to stay close to family and play great minutes right away at Marquette. Lastly I think we have a fairly decent chance at landing Hill if he manages to stay under the radar enough because if a bigger team comes in I think he is as good as gone (the only other real competition at this point is Clemson). With this idea we could land two four star prospects and a rising three star with a possible scholarship left over for another big man.
The product of the '09 recruiting class would give us a roster of
PG- Johnnie Lacy (s), Maurice Aker, David Cube
SG- Donte Hill (s), Jimmy Butler
SF- Erik Williams(s), Joseph Fulce
PF- Lazar Hayward(s), Jeronne Maymon
C- Chris Otule(s), Trevor M
Honestly that lineup reminds me alot of four years ago with three four star prospects entering and a really good Senior leading the charge for one year. This would make us one of youngest teams in the league but we would also be able to reload with three more scholarships for the '10 recruiting class (which also looks promising with Madison having already given away all of their scholarships).
If Buzz wishes to establish himself in a extremely competitive conference to recruits he first must prove to be able to effectively recruit in his own state. Yes we are also big in Chicago but I believe that Buzz has a fresh start to set precedence in being able to get instate talent and not letting it go to Madison or out of state.
Well I'm done ranting now. What are you thoughts on this idea?
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 06:39:37 PM
I think it is imperative for Buzz to understand that he no longer has that appeal to eighteen year old men.
...wtf
While it's worthwhile to recruit kids from in-state, I think that you're underestimate our exposure via televised Big East games outside of the Midwest. I think that it would be a mistake to stop trying to recruit in traditional BE states just because we don't have Crean and we're another year past our 2003 success.
if we attempt to give our time and efforts to talent outside of the state i still believe that we need to focus hard on Wisconsin. If someone is really interested in coming here from out of state, fine. But if we continue to look for outside talent to rescue the program I just see it ending with recruits signing with bigger schools in better situations. That doesn't mean drop out of state alltogether but we do need to curb it substantially
bleedbluegold---Keep talking, I like how you think. If that can be accomplished Buzz delivered the goods.
Lacy is going to have real problems qualifying as a 2009 kid unless he pulls off of a miraculous turnaround this year. More than likely, he reclassifies as a 2010 kid to get the academics in order, or maybe even goes to a JUCO.
bma, where is the proof of your statement. Yes i have heard he is having academic issues but nothing even close to him being unable to graduate and moving back to the 2010 class or Juco.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 07:38:56 PM
bma, where is the proof of your statement. Yes i have heard he is having academic issues but nothing even close to him being unable to graduate and moving back to the 2010 class or Juco.
Mark Miller in the past has talked about him maybe needing to reclassify as a 2010, and around Bay View have been talking about him having to go the same route as his former teammate Dwight Buycks and go to a JUCO. Even his coach has talked about how there are still doubts about his ability to qualify.
This is nothing new btw, people have been saying this about Lacy for 2 years, but now that it's close to commitment time he's really go to get it together.
thanks for verifying your source. I hope you didn't take it as me attacking you
I say he taps his assistants and have them recruit their region of specialty and get the best talent available:
Benford - South and West
Collins - NY and East
Layer - Mountain?
And why does the MUWiki have Scott Monarch as an asst.? He's not listed on MU's site.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 05, 2008, 09:13:36 PM
I say he taps his assistants and have them recruit their region of specialty and get the best talent available
So you dissagree? Who actually looks like a realistic option from those "regions?"
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 06:39:37 PM
Looking towards next year with a realistic eye we should finish in the middle of the Big East behind Georgetown, Louisville, Connecticut, Notre Dame, West Virginia, and Villanova.
I'd call that a pessimistic eye.
Out of those people who do you realistically see us beating next year then? You should offer explaination to your claim rather than just bash other people
BTW, it looks like Scott Monarch, who's name did not come up in Rosiak's blog, might be the director of basketball operations
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 09:19:31 PM
So you dissagree? Who actually looks like a realistic option from those "regions?"
I mildly disagree. I think those regional options are fine. Remember the article about Otule: There were more D-I signees out of Houston than Chicago, NY or LA. Some number like 47. The Big East is basketball heaven. It's time we tap ALL regions for talent.
Do I know who those kids are? No. But since Seltzer had some contacts as an MU assistant, I expect our assistants to have similar contacts with previous recruits.
Lastly, I think Crean is not the magnet for these recruits; it's a combination of both: Wade's ex-coach and INDIANA. Well, because "It's Indiana. It's Indiana." And because it's Indiana, Crean's gonna get some more special players he couldn't get to MU.
Again, it's not all Crean.
None of our assistant came from big named schools though. While i respect your opinion I agree to disagree with the idea that Marquette can beat out a Louisville, Georgetown, Notre Dame, Villanova, or Pittsburg for recruits. I dont think it will happen
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 09:27:54 PM
Out of those people who do you realistically see us beating next year then? You should offer explaination to your claim rather than just bash other people
Okay. You have MU finishing 7th. We finished tied for 6th last year, and we've got our best players coming back for their senior year. The conference will be tougher, but so will we. I would think we could realistically finish in the top 5. As far as who we could beat: Notre Dame and UConn.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 06:56:16 PM
if we attempt to give our time and efforts to talent outside of the state i still believe that we need to focus hard on Wisconsin.
I'm sorry, but you will never win big with this strategy. UW will win most of these battles as shown recently. And frankly, even if we split 50/50, that isn't enough talent. Hell, even if we land Wilson, Maymon and Lacy, that may not be enough to field a Final Four team. And in 2010, there is basically one major D1 prospect left - Flavien Davis - and who really knows how good he is.
Marquette has to be a big player in Chicago and recruit where you can get the talent. McGuire pulled kids here from all over and kicked UW regularly. You can still win with that strategy.
I agree with ncaa77champs about recruiting all regions. As far as our assistants are concerned they are from smaller schools except for Nebraska and may need to up the talent for the Big East.
Quote from: jce on May 05, 2008, 09:44:16 PM
I'm sorry, but you will never win big with this strategy. UW will win most of these battles as shown recently. And frankly, even if we split 50/50, that isn't enough talent. Hell, even if we land Wilson, Maymon and Lacy, that may not be enough to field a Final Four team. And in 2010, there is basically one major D1 prospect left - Flavien Davis - and who really knows how good he is.
Marquette has to be a big player in Chicago and recruit where you can get the talent. McGuire pulled kids here from all over and kicked UW regularly. You can still win with that strategy.
People are not thinking clearly if they expect Marquette to "win big" in the near future. It will not happen. The coaching change set us back five to ten years with recruits and progression as a program. If we still are operating under the idea we are a border elite program than we are living in a fairy world. Right now we are a consitant middle of the road team.
Your statement also poses the question as to why we are ok to losing to Madison with regards to getting instate talent. In recent years Crean was able to land Diener, Novak, and Matthews but for the most part Marquette consistantly loses to Madison as previously stated. Why are we ok with that?
my idea is a suggestion only for the '09 recruiting class. We need to "regroup" at home. In no way am I suggesting that we stop recruiting the Big East Country or Chicago all together in the long run. My opinion is with an unproven, promoted assistant coach for the head guy at a program, few out of state kids will want to play for him. Plain and simple. Work with kids who already have incentive to go to Marquette because it is closer to home and we have easy access to.
Did you read my statement? Madison has one scholarship left. This leaves the state more or less wide open for Marquette to land a few instate recruits and hopefully set a new precident within the state.
And no where did i state that landing lacy, wilson, maymon would get us to the final four. Honestly I don't see us back their for at least seven to ten years down the road IF we can regroup under Buzz.
Quote from: MUinOH on May 05, 2008, 09:43:38 PM
The conference will be tougher, but so will we. I would think we could realistically finish in the top 5. As far as who we could beat: Notre Dame and UConn.
First Marquette did not have the recruiting year any of the other Big East teams had. While we regrouped with a new coach other people got alot stronger with talent. If you check early predictions for top 25 next year most people have UConn in the top 5 so I dont see your reasoning with that. In regards to Norte Dame that is alot more possible but once again they have a good recruiting class and have Hansbrough's little brother transfering next year.
Quote from: MUFan71 on May 05, 2008, 09:29:42 PM
BTW, it looks like Scott Monarch, who's name did not come up in Rosiak's blog, might be the director of basketball operations
He may be on staff, but the Director of Ops seems to be Brad Autry, who has been at assistant at Baylor, Tulsa, Central Oklahoma and Arkansas Little Rock.
He hasn't been announced, but the Houston high school hoops site that people looked at during the year for updates on Otule and Williams said that he was coming, and if you look at the MU directory on line he's listed as director of BB ops.
If Monarch is actually on staff, he may take Barone's old job, or they may come up with some other title for him like Assistant Coach for Player Development.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
First Marquette did not have the recruiting year any of the other Big East teams had. While we regrouped with a new coach other people got alot stronger with talent. If you check early predictions for top 25 next year most people have UConn in the top 5 so I dont see your reasoning with that. In regards to Norte Dame that is alot more possible but once again they have a good recruiting class and have Hansbrough's little brother transfering next year.
Transfers have to sit out a year, Ben does them no good next year. He basically just eats a schollie for a year.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
First Marquette did not have the recruiting year any of the other Big East teams had. While we regrouped with a new coach other people got alot stronger with talent. If you check early predictions for top 25 next year most people have UConn in the top 5 so I dont see your reasoning with that. In regards to Norte Dame that is alot more possible but once again they have a good recruiting class and have Hansbrough's little brother transfering next year.
I do agree with defending the "home ground and backyard" (read: WI and IL).
However, many other BE schools are situated in more hoops hotbeds than MU is:
Fla - South Florida (but yeah right!)
IL - DePaul/Notre Dame
IN - ND/Cincy
KY - Louisville/Cincy
Northeast and Prepville - Providence/UConn/Cuse
NY/NJ - St. John's/Rutgers/Seton Hall/Cuse
Ohio - Cincy/Pittsburgh
Phila - Nova
Pitt - Pittsburgh
WV/VA - WVU
Wisconsin is crazy for hoops, but it's tough to field an elite D-I team just depending on WI recruits. You'd need top tier IL recruits as well as many others.
in almost any other year i completely agree with you, Wisconsin will not have a good enough class to focus on this state alone. I believe this year is the exception though. With Lacy, Mormon, and an outside chance of Wilson I think that should be the bulk of our focus along with Donte Hill.
Doesn't Wisconsin recruit almost completely out of Wisconsin and Chicago though? I know that history tells us that Marquette does this as well and both have had relative success. Looking past '09 to '10 and beyond I agree that we should expand our horizons even further. From the graph you gave it is easy to see that the south is being pourly represented in the Big East, hopefully something Marquette can change in the coming years.
Like this post states though, we will not get any legit outside talent until Buzz has a year of coaching under his belt and something to back up what he is selling. Staying instate FOR ONLY '09 is our best bet at this point.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 05, 2008, 09:13:36 PM
And why does the MUWiki have Scott Monarch as an asst.? He's not listed on MU's site.
I added that based on this quote in the Tyler JC's news article about Butler being signed:
QuoteJoseph Fulce signed in November, and TJC assistant coach Scott Monarch will be joining the Golden Eagles staff under new head coach Buzz Williams. The two coaches were together one season at the University of New Orleans (2006-07).
I may have jumped the gun, but it *seemed* like a reliable source. Here's the link:
http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/458.php
Based on recent news, he's definitely not an "assistant coach", but he may be at MU in some regard.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 10:02:33 PM
People are not thinking clearly if they expect Marquette to "win big" in the near future. It will not happen. The coaching change set us back five to ten years with recruits and progression as a program. If we still are operating under the idea we are a border elite program than we are living in a fairy world. Right now we are a consitant middle of the road team.
Your statement also poses the question as to why we are ok to losing to Madison with regards to getting instate talent. In recent years Crean was able to land Diener, Novak, and Matthews but for the most part Marquette consistantly loses to Madison as previously stated. Why are we ok with that?
my idea is a suggestion only for the '09 recruiting class. We need to "regroup" at home. In no way am I suggesting that we stop recruiting the Big East Country or Chicago all together in the long run. My opinion is with an unproven, promoted assistant coach for the head guy at a program, few out of state kids will want to play for him. Plain and simple. Work with kids who already have incentive to go to Marquette because it is closer to home and we have easy access to.
Did you read my statement? Madison has one scholarship left. This leaves the state more or less wide open for Marquette to land a few instate recruits and hopefully set a new precident within the state.
And no where did i state that landing lacy, wilson, maymon would get us to the final four. Honestly I don't see us back their for at least seven to ten years down the road IF we can regroup under Buzz.
Hold on...I was under the impression that they have none left for 2009.
Anyway I am not sure where you are from, but I think Buzz might actually have a more difficult time in state than out at this point. I just think there is a pro UW bias that has to be overcome with in state recruits, especially considering the resounding success that Bo Ryan has had at UWP, UWM and UW. The only players that Crean got over Ryan head-to-head was Wes Mathews and Scott Christopherson. (Diener for sure, and possibly Novak too, would have been Dick Bennett.) Since then, it has been a steady stream of the top in-state talent to Madison - Landry, Steimsma, Butch, etc.
It looks as though they are focusing on the top guys for 2009, and while that's fine, they better have other irons in the fire otherwise the class will be dismal.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 05, 2008, 10:06:11 PM
First Marquette did not have the recruiting year any of the other Big East teams had. While we regrouped with a new coach other people got alot stronger with talent. If you check early predictions for top 25 next year most people have UConn in the top 5 so I dont see your reasoning with that. In regards to Norte Dame that is alot more possible but once again they have a good recruiting class and have Hansbrough's little brother transfering next year.
So are all these teams ranked? They must all be since they are so much better than us.
Who cares how good of a recruiting year you have when you are returning 3 stud seniors a stud junior and a stud sophmore. Do you think none of those teams have holes? DId i miss some annoncement that pagent and hibert got a 5th year of eligibility?
Aren't Donte Greene and Joe Alexander both more likely first rounders and thus have a chance to stay in the draft?
And transfers have to sit out a year so ND won't get a slow do nothing guard for us you to worry about till next year. And i don't know if you noticed but we were a dropped pass away from going 3 and 0 against them.
Quote from: RawdogDX on May 06, 2008, 09:02:50 AM
So are all these teams ranked? They must all be since they are so much better than us.
Suprisingly yes they all are. I have seen polls that have the Big East with as many as eight teams ranked in the top 25 next year. Do I hope that Marquette exceeds expectations next year? Of course, but I remain cautiously optimistic
Quote from: jce on May 06, 2008, 06:55:45 AM
Hold on...I was under the impression that they have none left for 2009.
That's correct. Someone on UW would either have to leave or be "convinced" to go off scholarship for a spot to free up.
Quote from: Wareagle on May 06, 2008, 12:40:49 PM
That's correct. Someone on UW would either have to leave or be "convinced" to go off scholarship for a spot to free up.
Wait! Would Ratface recruit over someone?
Quote from: Wareagle on May 06, 2008, 12:40:49 PM
That's correct. Someone on UW would either have to leave or be "convinced" to go off scholarship for a spot to free up.
My guess is that they are going to try to convince J.P. Gavinski that his future would be brighter elsewhere, especially with Evan Anderson coming onboard in a couple of years.
Quote from: jce on May 06, 2008, 02:43:49 PM
My guess is that they are going to try to convince J.P. Gavinski that his future would be brighter elsewhere, especially with Evan Anderson coming onboard in a couple of years.
They won't need to convince him to go elsewhere, the kid loves Madison so much that he'd probably give up the scholarship if he thought it would help them out. Remember, this is a kid who said the best moment of his life was committing to the Badgers, and he's spent his life wanting to play for them.
all of this stregnthens my point substantially in the fact that if madison has no more scholarships for the '09 recruiting class, than the State of Wisconsin is ours for the taking in '09.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 06, 2008, 05:30:22 PM
all of this stregnthens my point substantially in the fact that if madison has no more scholarships for the '09 recruiting class, than the State of Wisconsin is ours for the taking in '09.
My vote is Gavinski pays his own way. Another HUGE advantage that the public in state student has in this case. Paying in-state fees for one year isn't that much....MU could never get away with it.
If MU wants to be competitive with native WI players they better start playing Dick Bennett/Bo Ryan style ball. I personally don't think there's enough talent in this state to even come close to competing in the Big East on a consistent basis. Buzz's strength is supposed to be his recruiting...
How many D1 players come out of WI on an annual basis ?-(
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2008, 05:48:26 PM
My vote is Gavinski pays his own way. Another HUGE advantage that the public in state student has in this case. Paying in-state fees for one year isn't that much....MU could never get away with it.
But they just can't yank his scholarship. He'd have to be convinced to either drop it or to transfer.
Quote from: bleedbluegold03 on May 06, 2008, 05:30:22 PM
all of this stregnthens my point substantially in the fact that if madison has no more scholarships for the '09 recruiting class, than the State of Wisconsin is ours for the taking in '09.
Well...Wilson is a national recruit who could go anywhere. Lacy has academic issues that may prevent him from coming to MU in the first place. Maymon may the best option out there.
Quote from: jce on May 06, 2008, 06:40:25 PM
But they just can't yank his scholarship. He'd have to be convinced to either drop it or to transfer.
That is correct
Quote from: avid1010 on May 06, 2008, 06:37:05 PM
If MU wants to be competitive with native WI players they better start playing Dick Bennett/Bo Ryan style ball. I personally don't think there's enough talent in this state to even come close to competing in the Big East on a consistent basis. Buzz's strength is supposed to be his recruiting...
How many D1 players come out of WI on an annual basis ?-(
How many DI or how many high DI? DI has improved quite a bit in the last 20 years. Kids going to mid-majors, etc.
Mark Miller has the number I'm sure. I'll bet it's about 7 to 10 per year that go DI, and probably 2 - 3 per year that go high DI. Just a guess
The talent in Wisconsin is not there on a consistent basis, but 2009 has Wilson, Lacy and Maymon, all of whom will be Division I players with significant impact on the teams they sign with. Each will be highly ranked. 2010 has Anderson (gone to UW) and Flavian Davis. Its a cyclical scenario and Buzz must take care of the opportunity now. The 2009 recruiting class will determine the program's fate and Buzz has some outstanding talent in his own backyard. He was hired for this purpose and lets see how it turns out.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2008, 07:14:16 PM
How many DI or how many high DI? DI has improved quite a bit in the last 20 years. Kids going to mid-majors, etc.
Mark Miller has the number I'm sure. I'll bet it's about 7 to 10 per year that go DI, and probably 2 - 3 per year that go high DI.
I'll try to summarize the high D1's or "close to high" as I see them.
'08
Korey to MSU
Kwamain Mitchell to SLU (eh, feel free to not count this one if you want)
DeMarcus Phillips to JUCO - pretty sure he had the talent to go somewhere
'09
Jamil Wilson - ???
Jeronne Maymon - ?????
Johnnie Lacy - ?????????
Luke Russell - was getting interest from Minnesota
'10
Evan Anderson - UW
Flavien Davis - ??? - MU and Baylor have offered, picking up interest from IU (hurts to write that), UK, UCLA and others
Vander Blue - UW
Anyone else in '10 would be pure speculation by me
So it seems like around 3 per year is about right, with '09 and '10 being the jail break years as far as quality of the players.
Quote from: Wareagle on May 06, 2008, 07:36:25 PM
I'll try to summarize the high D1's or "close to high" as I see them, '09 may have
'08
Korey to MSU
Kwamain Mitchell to SLU (eh, feel free to not count this one if you want)
DeMarcus Phillips to JUCO - pretty sure he had the talent to go somewhere
'09
Jamil Wilson - ???
Jeronne Maymon - ?????
Johnnie Lacy - ?????????
Luke Russell - was getting interest from Minnesota
'10
Evan Anderson - UW
Flavien Davis - ??? - MU and Baylor have offered, picking up interest from IU (hurts to write that), UK, UCLA and others
Vander Blue - UW
Anyone else in '10 would be pure speculation by me
So it seems like around 3 per year is about right, with '09 and '10 being the jail break years as far as quality of the players.
The next in 2010 is probably Kammeron Cerroni from Sussex Hamilton, a 6'2" guard, coaches son, who can really score. He has been offered at UWGB and UWM. That's probably where he should be at this point.
Another top player in 2010 is Kyle Kelm from Randolph, kind of a Novak like big guy. Iowa State is the only high major to offer so far, UWM and UWGB have offered as well, and Wisconsin has high interest in him. Supposedly he really likes Wisconsin, even though they don't have a schollie to give.
Oops, I forgot to put Marquis Mason from Madison East on the list for '10. He's rated by Mark Miller as the #4 prospect in the '10 Wisconsin class, and per Cracked Sidewalks, Crean offered him when he was still coach. Not sure where things stand with that.
Quote from: jce on May 06, 2008, 06:40:25 PM
But they just can't yank his scholarship. He'd have to be convinced to either drop it or to transfer.
I thought scholarships are subject to annual renewal. If that is so, why can't they yank it [besides the phenomenal bad PR that would come with such a move]?
Quote from: Coach Norman Dale on May 07, 2008, 07:21:47 AM
I thought scholarships are subject to annual renewal. If that is so, why can't they yank it [besides the phenomenal bad PR that would come with such a move]?
You are correct. They *can* yank it by notifying them by July 1. I meant from a PR perspective.