This is a hot rumor on local (I am in Detroit area) broadcast stations this a.m. Also reported on Yahoo sports. While Carlisle is still considered front-runner for Bulls job, Izzo candidacy is picking up steam.Did Crean bolt a month too early?
cool...
this would be an interesting development- what would Crean do if all of a sudden his supposed dream job was open and ripe for the picking????
opens up some interesting conversations regarding current MSU assistants as well.
hmmmmm.
come on, izzy.. take the plunge!
:-\
I no longer fear this event.
Quote from: TVDirector on April 23, 2008, 06:53:35 AM
cool...
this would be an interesting development- what would Crean do if all of a sudden his supposed dream job was open and ripe for the picking????
opens up some interesting conversations regarding current MSU assistants as well.
hmmmmm.
come on, izzy.. take the plunge!
:-\
There is no way Crean can leave Indiana for Michigan State for at least five years, unless Indiana doesn't want him anymore. And if that is the case, I doubt Michigan State would want him either. If Izzo does leave, the best TC can hope for is that Izzo's replacement does a lukewarm-poor job and the job becomes available again in 5-6 years.
It's Michigan State....It's Michigan State...
Doesn't quite have the same ring to it. He would have to come up with another B.S. line for that one.
How about remembering the first time he watched a basketball game and seeing a young Michigan State player by the name of Ervin Johnson take over a game. As we all know, it wasn't until then that he really started to take an interest in NCAA basketball.
Quote from: downtown85 on April 23, 2008, 07:27:55 AM
It's Michigan State....It's Michigan State...
Doesn't quite have the same ring to it. He would have to come up with another B.S. line for that one.
Come join new Spartans coach for "Crean and Green" at an all you can eat salad bar.
I would laugh if MSU and Crean ponied up the IU buyout, making him officially untrustworthy to the entire world AND Nick Williams would be stuck in another LOI w/o Crean.
I'd love to see Too Tan Tommy, aka T-Cubed, bolt back "home" where the heart is. Then again MSU probably doesn't want the m'fer.
This would be every MU fans dream. And as a Bulls fan, I'd like to see it from that perspective as well.
If it occurs, I can't imagine Crean would bolt IU. Particularly since he's already singed several recruits there. Then again, I have some sense of shame and that may not apply to the Tan one.
OH TC has sined recruits and bolted in the night before. But actually, I don't think MSU would want him. There was something a few months back I thought that indicated he was not the heir-apparent to Izzo in Izzo's eyes, wasn't there? Nonetheless, TC might be thinking, "dang it - it's Michigan State, it's Michigan State!"
As a Bulls fan, this hire needs to happen. I mean, first, it would totally screw over Crean, which is just too hilarious to contemplate. Second, Izzo is a very good coach and would do wonders for the Bulls, who have been completely inept both on and off the court since '97; the organization needs an enema.
Quote from: Daniel on April 23, 2008, 09:37:21 AM
OH TC has sined recruits and bolted in the night before. But actually, I don't think MSU would want him. There was something a few months back I thought that indicated he was not the heir-apparent to Izzo in Izzo's eyes, wasn't there? Nonetheless, TC might be thinking, "dang it - it's Michigan State, it's Michigan State!"
Right. TC is not as close to Izzo as everyone thinks. Izzo supposedly wants Brian Gregory to be his replacement, and there were mentions of other former assistants that he had above Crean as well. Some writer claim that was why Crean took the IU job. He knew it was his only shot to get in the Big 10 since it is well known in the MSU family that he is not choice #1 when Izzo retires/leaves.
Interesting if true. Doesn't the Big 10 have a rule that a coach can't move directly from one Big 10 job to another without more or less sitting out a year? Thought I heard that somewhere.
I think Gregory would be the choice at MSU, and perhaps this would explain the reported lack of interest in MU.
Ahahahahaha karmas a b!tch, isnt it Tommy!
Ok, so I talked to my Bulls guy (only one left from when I worked there) and he said there are talks going on through third parties between the Bulls and Izzo. He thinks it would be in the $4-$5 mil range, with some additional title included (besides head coach) if it's formally offered. He said if it happens, it will happen very quickly by the end of this week.
The Bulls also reached out to Coach K, but there isn't much interest there (or so I'm told).
this would be tremendous. Let's see how fast the weasel tries to get out of his IU contract.
On one hand, I think it would be funny to see TC watch his dream job open up, after waiting patiently for 9 years, and there being nothing he can really do about it. On the other hand, we all know Crean will get Izzowned by Michigan State if Izzo is coaching them. If Izzo leaves, we can laugh right away. If he stays, we get a little bit of laughing in, possibly for years to come. Tough choice.
Is it possible that the Bulls approached Izzo a little while ago, knowing it was only a matter of time before they got rid of their coach? Maybe this is why Crean didn't mind going to the Big Ten, even though he would have to face an Izzo-coached team? Maybe Crean decided he didn't want to follow in the long shadow that Izzo created, since he know has a chance to create his own in Indiana.
You guys need to get over Crean. I am as disappointed as anyone else in the way he left. However, people leave for perceived better jobs all of the time. By trying to run him down, it does a great disservice to what he accomplished here in his time. By trying to make him out to be so slimy, I imagine outsiders could get the idea that our players, by association, must be slimy, as they were happy playing for him. Okay, I will guess they were happy playing for him, or they wouldn't have felt so bad about him leaving (many comments here about players hanging their heads). I guess to an outsider the institution must have been slimy, since it let the slimy guy coach here for so long.
I guess I am just feed-up with all the name-calling. First, it just makes us, the institution and the fans, look bad. Second, I know the Jesuit values I was taught while at MU didn't include smear-campaigns, like I am reading here.
I love Izzo, but would think it is great if the MSU spot would open up. Crean would be crushed. What a d-bag.
Quote from: MUCam on April 23, 2008, 08:08:56 AM
How about remembering the first time he watched a basketball game and seeing a young Michigan State player by the name of Ervin Johnson take over a game. As we all know, it wasn't until then that he really started to take an interest in NCAA basketball.
Ervin Johnson played at the University of New Orleans. Earvin "Magic" Johnson was at Michigan State.
This would be a great move from a comedy standpoint regarding TC.
As for Izzo leaving to the NBA, though, I think it would be a huge mistake on his part. I understand the "ego" and "challenge" part of the job, but Izzo's style would not transfer over to the NBA players. No way. They don't care as much about winning and won't stand to be yelled at constantly. Even as great as he is from an x's and o's standpoint, he'd wear out his welcome to the players within two years tops.
I actually think it'd be a good move by Izzo. He's 53, and job opportunities like this aren't going to be available to him too much longer. He's actually well respected in the Association (for a college coach) and he fits in perfectly to Paxson's philosophy. He'd double his salary, get summer's off (which he's now itching for), and from what I'm told, he's looking to get an additional title (outside of head coach), so he can fall back on that should things not work out. With the right group of assistants in place, I think he'd do well.
Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Judas discussed his move to IU with Izzo and convinced himself that he wasn't in line to be the next coach at MSU, so an opening now at MSU wouldn't be the crushingly ironic blow to Judas that we are all hoping for.
this would be schadenfreude in its finest form
What would you be doing if you were Michigan State's athletic director right now?
If I were in his shoes, I would start the search now before the coaching carousel settles down. I would want to start exploring post-Izzo options. I would have a plan. I would not want to be caught like a deer in the headlights by this.
Quote from: downtown85 on April 23, 2008, 03:11:18 PM
What would you be doing if you were Michigan State's athletic director right now?
If I were in his shoes, I would start the search now before the coaching carousel settles down. I would want to start exploring post-Izzo options. I would have a plan. I would not want to be caught like a deer in the headlights by this.
I'm sure Buzz Williams is in the top 5.
The Phoenix Suns coach is often mentioned as he has a history there I believe. Jud will have some say in who gets it, and that's why TC never would have gotten the MSU job. Jud does not care for TC at all.
Quote from: downtown85 on April 23, 2008, 03:11:18 PM
What would you be doing if you were Michigan State's athletic director right now?
If I were in his shoes, I would start the search now before the coaching carousel settles down. I would want to start exploring post-Izzo options. I would have a plan. I would not want to be caught like a deer in the headlights by this.
I'd just ask izzo what asistant would be most suited for the job.
How great would this be?!
Imagine the possibilities...Izzo leaves, Crean regrets decision but it doesn't matter as he wasn't going to get the job anyways.
Tyshawn Taylor signs with Kansas, confirming what we already knew: that scholarship is open.
Korie Lucious decides that he doesn't want to go to Michigan St anymore. We conveniently have a spot open for him.
Jamil Wilson, upon Izzo's departure, crosses Mich St. off his list. Lucious, stays in his ear all season and in March 2009, Wilson decides to stay close to home and play at Marquette with his good friend.
....alright, back to reality for me.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 23, 2008, 03:14:05 PM
I'm sure Buzz Williams is in the top 5.
You forgot the teal coloring there to indicate sarcasm...or did you?
One thing Michigan State wouldn't have to worry about in this situation is Izzo poaching their recruits.
Posted by: muchalktalk
"I guess I am just feed-up with all the name-calling. First, it just makes us, the institution and the fans, look bad. Second, I know the Jesuit values I was taught while at MU didn't include smear-campaigns, like I am reading here."
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Quote from: reinko on April 23, 2008, 03:53:28 PM
Posted by: muchalktalk
"I guess I am just feed-up with all the name-calling. First, it just makes us, the institution and the fans, look bad. Second, I know the Jesuit values I was taught while at MU didn't include smear-campaigns, like I am reading here."
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"I guess I am just feed-up with all the name-calling. First, it just makes us, the institution and the fans, look bad. Second, I know the Jesuit values I was taught while at MU didn't include smear-campaigns, like I am reading here."+1
Quote from: MUDish on April 23, 2008, 11:12:23 AM
Ok, so I talked to my Bulls guy (only one left from when I worked there) and he said there are talks going on through third parties between the Bulls and Izzo. He thinks it would be in the $4-$5 mil range, with some additional title included (besides head coach) if it's formally offered. He said if it happens, it will happen very quickly by the end of this week.
The Bulls also reached out to Coach K, but there isn't much interest there (or so I'm told).
Interesting. I thought that this was just a play by Izzo to get more $$$$$$$$$ out of MSU. I'd be happy with Izzo as the coach of the Bulls. Now if we can just get D-Wade back in Chicago!
That Tommy was ever the heir apparent at MSU is a joke! Just check out his recruiting success in Michigan while at Marquette. The word was out in Michigan about Tommy once Dwayne Stevens (?), the MSU assistant coach, who came with Tommy to MU went back to Lansing. No "smear" here, just the facts. I think there is an obligation to speak the truth since Tommy didn't and few know him as well as we do.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 23, 2008, 03:14:05 PM
I'm sure Buzz Williams is in the top 5.
The Phoenix Suns coach is often mentioned as he has a history there I believe. Jud will have some say in who gets it, and that's why TC never would have gotten the MSU job. Jud does not care for TC at all.
I always liked Jud. He's a smart man.
Lets hope that Izzo is offered and he takes the Bulls job. That could be very good news for MU. First, Jamil Wilson might cross off Michigan St. from his list and second seeing that we have one available scholarship, there could be a chance that Korie Lucious asks out of Michigan St. and who knows, ends up with MU. I thought I read somewhere that Korie and Jamil are good friends on top of that. This could be huge!