if the prick has already or will ever complete his soccer field donation pledge? I somewhat remember hearing he was going to cough up 20k/year for 5 years. I doubt we'll ever see the scratch.
How can you say that when he clearly held a press conference to encourage other donations?
Excellent question ;)
I have the answer but no proof. Makes the Jamil recruiting very interesting...
Quote from: butchbadger on April 17, 2008, 02:32:11 PM
Excellent question ;)
I have the answer but no proof. Makes the Jamil recruiting very interesting...
Please explain!
Quote from: butchbadger on April 17, 2008, 02:32:11 PM
Excellent question ;)
I have the answer but no proof. Makes the Jamil recruiting very interesting...
Please contact the powers that be then.
NCAA enforcement division
dprice@ncaa.org David Price
cstrobel@ncaa.org Chris Strobel
Dave and Chris love interesting recruiting stories.
If you strike out with those two, you might want to try Keith Gill kgill@ncaa.org
They wouldn't need to be involved. You are going down the wrong path.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 17, 2008, 02:47:49 PM
They wouldn't need to be involved. You are going down the wrong path.
Well they would need this thing called proof, and with you that's definitely going down the wrong path.
butch can speak for himself, but I interpret his comments as implying that if Crean doesn't follow through on his pledge of the $100k soccer donation, it could negatively affect Crean's recruitment of Wilson. Nothing to do with NCAA violations.
Especially if Crean is trying to show every one of his recruits he's a man of his word.
::)
Quote from: Litehouse on April 17, 2008, 03:08:22 PM
butch can speak for himself, but I interpret his comments as implying that if Judas doesn't follow through on his pledge of the $100k soccer donation, it could negatively affect Judas's recruitment of Wilson. Nothing to do with NCAA violations.
Oh I get it clearly....of course earlier last week he also implied that the donation wasn't because Crean was an employee of Marquette, didn't have a relationship with Roeders and Louis Bennett, wasn't doing it as a favor to the university, but basically only to gain favor with this recruit.
That was his implication along with a few others he's had mostly on their board where he applies one standard of posting but chastizes people here for doing the same thing. ::)
If it was a verbal pledge, then forget it. If it was in writing, then that's a different matter.
But, it could be used as "he pledged but didn't follow through" as proof that he's a smooth-talking pimp.
I don't follow. What does the donation have to do with Jamil Wilson?
Wilson's looking to be a 2 sport athlete. The soccer stadium would be a huge selling point.
I am not 100% sure but I do believe he will owe MU the 100K, verbal pledges to charities are enforcecable
A court will enforce a pledge of a gift to a charitable organization, for example, if the organization has justifiably relied on the pledge by committing the expected funds even though the charity did not promise or give anything in return (other than "thank you"), i.e. even though there was no deal. In summary, some but not all agreements and deals are contracts (i.e. they include promises that the law will enforce) and some contracts are not the result of deals or agreements.
Quote from: Wade for President on April 17, 2008, 11:07:44 PM
Wilson's looking to be a 2 sport athlete. The soccer stadium would be a huge selling point.
I don't think that's an issue with him... if I remember correctly he played volleyball at Horlick. Volleyball and soccer are in the same season.
Quote from: Ahoya06 on April 17, 2008, 10:49:41 PM
I don't follow. What does the donation have to do with Jamil Wilson?
The guy that is the main donor for the soccer stadium who has been trying to get support for this for awhile, just happens to be the guy that started Jamil Wilson's AAU team.
Quote from: sa87 on April 17, 2008, 11:31:37 PM
I am not 100% sure but I do believe he will owe MU the 100K, verbal pledges to charities are enforcecable
A court will enforce a pledge of a gift to a charitable organization, for example, if the organization has justifiably relied on the pledge by committing the expected funds even though the charity did not promise or give anything in return (other than "thank you"), i.e. even though there was no deal. In summary, some but not all agreements and deals are contracts (i.e. they include promises that the law will enforce) and some contracts are not the result of deals or agreements.
I work in charitable giving and verbal pledges are not enforceable. According to accounting standards you can't even put them on your books. Written pledges of this size are barely enforceable too. For a multi-million dollar project such as this, a $100K pledge is a drop in the bucket. It can be hard to argue that MU substantially relied on this pledge.
And we will never find out if he stuck to it either.
And we will never find out if he stuck to it either.
There are a lot of bitter MU alums/boosters (with good reason). It will come out, but it is touchy. Judas is Judas, after all. And this a no win for him.
Quote from: bma725 on April 18, 2008, 07:36:58 AM
The guy that is the main donor for the soccer stadium who has been trying to get support for this for awhile, just happens to be the guy that started Jamil Wilson's AAU team.
Dennis Klein started Jamil's AAU team?
Quote from: MUfan12 on April 18, 2008, 12:06:56 AM
I don't think that's an issue with him... if I remember correctly he played volleyball at Horlick. Volleyball and soccer are in the same season.
Yeah...I was kidding about Wilson playing soccer. Although....Marcus West did play both. Man, that guy had wheels.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4208/is_/ai_n10182738 (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4208/is_/ai_n10182738)
Aren't we talking small change and a tax deduction for someone making the kind of money he's making? Not following through would cost him that much and more in bad PR. If he follows through on the donation he gets positive PR from salivating media types across the country. "A man of class and commitment." It would pay for itself.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 18, 2008, 11:32:33 AM
Dennis Klein started Jamil's AAU team?
Yes. He co-founded the Playground Warriors program in 1991. Jamil plays for Playground Elite, which is the 17U off shoot of the Playground Warriors program.
Quote from: bma725 on April 18, 2008, 12:20:19 PM
Yes. He co-founded the Playground Warriors program in 1991. Jamil plays for Playground Elite, which is the 17U off shoot of the Playground Warriors program.
Thanks and I see you answered that in another thread--sorry I wasn't paying better attention.
I guess we know why he called the press conference...and why it was his idea to do so.
PRN is RIGHT AGAIN!!!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 18, 2008, 12:41:05 PM
I guess we know why he called the press conference...and why it was his idea to do so.
PRN is RIGHT AGAIN!!!
No we don't and no you aren't.....conjecture is not proof. No one has come out and said he didn't pony up the cash or prove anything.
Oh and be careful your don't break your shoulder blade with all this patting yourself on the back ::)
He'll follow through on the $100,000 donation.
amen mu03eng
Plus there is the benefit that he might get to see Tom Crean on a plaque near the Stadium. The man loves to have his name on anything.
Quote from: bma725 on April 18, 2008, 12:20:19 PM
Yes. He co-founded the Playground Warriors program in 1991. Jamil plays for Playground Elite, which is the 17U off shoot of the Playground Warriors program.
Wow. All this time I thought PRN was blowing smoke up everyone's ass. The man is truly a snake.
Although, to be quite honest, if Judas was still here and it helped us land Wilson, I'm not sure I would have cared. He had better follow through though.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on April 18, 2008, 01:07:58 PM
Wow. All this time I thought PRN was blowing smoke up everyone's ass. The man is truly a snake.
Although, to be quite honest, if Judas was still here and it helped us land Wilson, I'm not sure I would have cared. He had better follow through though.
I know this doesn't fit in with the evilness that is Crean, but it is my understanding that the donation was also requested from the department / university administration. People are reaching here to put it mildly.
What everyone knows now that only a small percentage knew 3 weeks ago is...that Tommy Naismith doesn't blink unless it is in his own self interest. FWIW.
Aren't we throwing out the baby with the bathwater here?
I know it's fashionable to bash TC and his character lately, but he did do a lot of good for the university.
I'm certainly disappointed with the way he left... and it may be an indication of his character as some people state (I can't argue with that).
However, couldn't all of the good things that he has done be indications as of his character as well?
- He's graduated every kid that has come in and played their whole career at MU
- He suspended Trend for bad academics, and brought him back once he got his books straight
- He won a lot of games
- He had his team do a number of charity events (hunger clean-up, al's run, hospital visits, etc)
- (the list goes on)
I'm just sayin'... the guy isn't satin. I think some of you guys are losing it... or maybe just joking (and I can't tell)
The fact that he left quickly doesn't necessarily mean he is the root of all evil for everything at MU (ie TC was behind the "gold" thing, TC won't make the donation, TC told MU to hire Buzz so he would look better, etc. etc.)
Quote from: butchbadger on April 18, 2008, 01:53:52 PM
What everyone knows now that only a small percentage knew 3 weeks ago is...that Tommy Naismith doesn't blink unless it is in his own self interest. FWIW.
I wonder why Barry and him were so close
Quote from: 2002mualum on April 18, 2008, 02:04:24 PM
Aren't we throwing out the baby with the bathwater here?
I know it's fashionable to bash TC and his character lately, but he did do a lot of good for the university.
I'm certainly disappointed with the way he left... and it may be an indication of his character as some people state (I can't argue with that).
However, couldn't all of the good things that he has done be indications as of his character as well?
- He's graduated every kid that has come in and played their whole career at MU
- He suspended Trend for bad academics, and brought him back once he got his books straight
- He won a lot of games
- He had his team do a number of charity events (hunger clean-up, al's run, hospital visits, etc)
- (the list goes on)
I'm just sayin'... the guy isn't satin. I think some of you guys are losing it... or maybe just joking (and I can't tell)
The fact that he left quickly doesn't necessarily mean he is the root of all evil for everything at MU (ie TC was behind the "gold" thing, TC won't make the donation, TC told MU to hire Buzz so he would look better, etc. etc.)
Crean!
Quote from: Ready2Fly on April 18, 2008, 01:07:58 PM
Wow. All this time I thought PRN was blowing smoke up everyone's ass. The man is truly a snake.
Although, to be quite honest, if Judas was still here and it helped us land Wilson, I'm not sure I would have cared. He had better follow through though.
I don't know why you would care now. If this allegation is actually true...and I doubt it is...he did make a donation with his own money. And it benefitted MU in the long run.
For what it's worth, Jamil Wilson is no longer affiliated with the Wisconsin Playground Warriors. He plays for a NIKE-sponsored team called the Playground Elite. That group broke off of the Playground Warriors over the winter.
I love it when people remind us how brilliant they are. It's even more impressive when it's in capital letters and with an exclamation point. Not even Murff is that much in love with himself.