Erik Williams reaffirms commitment to MU
Written by: Todd Rosiak
Erik Williams, a fast-rising junior from Cypress Springs (Tex.) High School told me this afternoon that he remains committed to MU.
"With everything that's been going on, I'm just going to decide to stay with Marquette," Williams said. "Based on my opionion before, and what I saw when I went up there, I just remembered all the things I liked up there and I just decided to stay with it."
Williams, a 6-foot-7 forward, gave an oral commitment last fall but hadn't been heard from publicly since Tom Crean left MU for Indiana two weeks ago.
Interestingly, had MU not hired Williams to replace Crean, Williams might very well have wound up at Indiana with Crean. He and his coach at Cypress Springs, John Harmatuk, decided to wait MU's hiring process out before ultimately making a decision.
"The reason we weren't in a hurry is because it was going to be Indiana or Marquette," said Harmatuk. "He was never going to open it up to anybody else. He never wavered from Marquette. His parents are really big on the Jesuit education. That was the No. 1 priority for his family. Then No. 2, Erik was comfortable with Coach Buzz and comfortable with the kids that play at Marquette."
"If you're going to do recruiting right, you're going to do it on relationships because you're going to spend 24 hours a day, seven days a week with these guys for four years, and that's what it was all about. Erik had a good relationship with two people -- Coach Buzz and Coach Crean. That's why he wasn't in a hurry. He knew he had two good choices. It was never not going to be Marquette.
"There was that four- or five-day period when no head coach was named. As soon as Coach Buzz was named...it was easy."
Williams also said that he keeps in contact with Chris Otule, one of three remaining signees for next season, and Otule told him he will also honor his commitment to MU.
I'll be updating this story later.
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per Rosiak. And Erik says Otule tells him he is coming. go away all of you Buzz naysayers. :)
touche, Buzz dissers.
It will be nice to have him coming...
He can't be the only piece to that recruiting class though... we are going to need a class similar to the senior class this year.
Finally good news!
This is pretty good news. I would like to see Buzz add either another big, or Jimmy Butler, and I would feel pretty good about '08 class in terms of salvaging what was left for him.
As for '09, I feel it is very much imperative that he gets Johnnie Lacy and Jamil Wilson.
His parents strongly believe in the value of a Jesuit education. You don't hear that much on the recruiting trail. Great to still have a kid like this. And finally, a bit of continuity from the Buzz hire.
Good news. Credit where it's due. Buzz kept this kid. We keep Otule and Fulce and hopefully keep Mbakwe here and the forwards look o.k. in the future. Need to keep Taylor somehow, or at get Wilson.
And hopefully Buzz is out there pounding the pavement of kids that have also backed out of commitments.
SOMETHING POSITIVE--AMEN!!
YES!
Thats big!!!
What was EW the #44 player in the latest rankings that came out last week?
I have a feeling Buzz is going to put together a great class for '09.
Doesn't it seem that Buzz is doing a great job at comtrolling the timing of information releases to the press?
SC and NW leave..........James declares he's staying for senior year.
TT needs more time to visit a few other schools..............EW reaffirms his commitment.
We needed this news -- big time. The fact that Erik values a Jesuit education is refreshing and reaffirming. Otule's news also bodes well. We need to get him on campus this summer and let the coaches work with him. I'm hoping this isn't the last of good news coming our way this week. We can use even more.
I think you have to give James some credit for that. He's shown nothing but commitment to MU and I think he's uber-focused on putting up a sweet year - both selfishly for himself, but also for his teammates as a f-you to Crean.
Quote from: drewm88 on April 15, 2008, 01:00:24 PM
His parents strongly believe in the value of a Jesuit education. You don't hear that much on the recruiting trail. Great to still have a kid like this. And finally, a bit of continuity from the Buzz hire.
Maybe we should email this to the coach of St. Anthony's.
Yes he recruited him....but can he coach him?
So now is Marquette a forward/center school and cant keep or land a guard?
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on April 15, 2008, 01:09:18 PM
I think you have to give James some credit for that. He's shown nothing but commitment to MU and I think he's uber-focused on putting up a sweet year - both selfishly for himself, but also for his teammates as a f-you to Crean.
+1
No commentary from PRN or Chicos yet?
EWill and Otule still coming. Phew. Get Butler and Vanderberk (?) and then go to work on the rest of the 09 class. Need two more amigos. We have the Wes replacement. Lets get replacements for DJ, JM, + another big, please. Thats all I ask. Nothing more than that. :D
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 15, 2008, 12:45:25 PM
per Rosiak. And Erik says Otule tells him he is coming. go away all of you Buzz naysayers. :)
It's always funny when the people who accuse others of overreaction fall victim to the very same trait.
This is very good news. But it's also expected news. We were told when Buzz was hired that he would be the best option for keeping Erik Williams. I'm not sure if the Indiana thing ever really got serious because it seems like Marquette the University held a lot of sway with Erik's parents.
With the Taylor news and the Williams news we're beginning the process of filling out the scorecard.
Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 15, 2008, 01:34:32 PM
It's always funny when the people who accuse others of overreaction fall victim to the very same trait.
This is very good news. But it's also expected news. [snip]
With the Taylor news and the Williams news we're beginning the process of filling out the scorecard.
Wait....wasn't the TT and NW news also expected? You've been one of the biggest critics of continuity - but keeping the entire team (well, the important cogs, less SC) seems to offer a lot of continuity. Add in keeping a few recruits, including one that hasn't even signed a LOI, and one that is 6'10" (or taller by the time he gets on campus), and things seems like things are going OK.
The sky is not falling. Buzz is not going to end MU hoops as we know it.
I'm not going to guarantee he's going to be successful (though many seem to be willing to guarantee we're going to be in the toilets). But I just don't think it's as bad of a hire as most people have been harping about.
Sorry, I've been in meetings with the NFL and just got out. I think it's great....I think it's fabulous. I want Buzz to do well, I don't think anyone doesn't.
I just didn't want my school to have to make such a risky hire because it absolutely wasn't necessary to do so....for those of us that lived through the 1980's and 1990's at MU, you would understand why. We don't ever want to go back.
Great for Buzz....keep them coming because we are going to need them.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
I just didn't want my school to have to make such a risky hire
I understand that. But why post it in every thread?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 15, 2008, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
I just didn't want my school to have to make such a risky hire
I understand that. But why post it in every thread?
Because when I'm called out as anti-Buzz they are wrong so apparently I need to keep saying it. I'm not anti-Buzz, I'm anti-process and thought they acted way to quickly. He was there to be had further down the process.
So I'll tell you what, I'll stop saying it's a risky hire if some of the folks stop implying people are anti-Buzz. They're not anti-Buzz, they're dumbfounded at how the process went down, the reasons for said process, etc.
Fair enough?
It seems to me that everyone on this board wants the BUzz hire to be mentioned and is egging on those that do not feel it was the msot prucent decision at the time. Most of the fans here are logical and while they do not agree with the hire they still hope to see him succeed. It gets brought up way too much for my taste becae why does every piece of information we see have to go back to the hire. For all we know pplayers would have still transferred under Crean (Quite Common in his era) Sure it hurts to lose a coupel of top recruits but its not liek we cna't compete next year without them. I'd kind of liek to give it a rest and see if we cannot finally lockdown SouthEastern Wisconsin as a MArquette only zone when it comes to the top recruits.
"His parents are really big on the Jesuit education."
That is great to hear!
Now all you fence-sitters who think you may have a vocation to the Society of Jesus - make the move!
Join the Company.
"This will help recruiting."
Quote from: CharleTheJesuit on April 15, 2008, 01:53:01 PM
"His parents are really big on the Jesuit education."
yes, this was wonderful to read.....a kid who values the university and its mission, not to mention hoops.
I love the JEsuits and all the Good work they have done. But I dont' think many of us are jumping on there.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 15, 2008, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
I just didn't want my school to have to make such a risky hire
I understand that. But why post it in every thread?
I'm not anti-Buzz, I'm anti-process and thought they acted way to quickly. He was there to be had further down the process.
They're not anti-Buzz, they're dumbfounded at how the process went down, the reasons for said process, etc.
Fair enough?
Fair enough... but the process is over. No amount of posts are going to change that now.
Let's move on.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 15, 2008, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
I just didn't want my school to have to make such a risky hire
I understand that. But why post it in every thread?
Because when I'm called out as anti-Buzz they are wrong so apparently I need to keep saying it. I'm not anti-Buzz, I'm anti-process and thought they acted way to quickly. He was there to be had further down the process.
So I'll tell you what, I'll stop saying it's a risky hire if some of the folks stop implying people are anti-Buzz. They're not anti-Buzz, they're dumbfounded at how the process went down, the reasons for said process, etc.
Fair enough?
Would you be as "anti-process" if MU had hired Tony Bennett or Sean Miller withing 24 hours of Crean's resignation and without first contacting and/or interviewing Brad Brownell, Jim Les and Keno Davis?
If not, then you're not as anti-process as you claim. Rather, you're "anti the process than led to Buzz Williams" which, in short, makes you "anti-Buzz." That doesn't mean you dislike the guy or wish bad things upon him, but clearly you're more unhappy about who the process led to and not the process itself.
Erik Williams reaffirms commitment to MU
Written by: Todd Rosiak
Erik Williams, a fast-rising junior from Cypress Springs (Tex.) High School has reaffirmed his oral commitment to MU.
"With everything that's been going on, I'm just going to decide to stay with Marquette," said Williams, who is currently ranked as the 44th-best overall player in the Class of 2009 by Scout.com and the seventh-best small forward. "Based on my opionion before, and what I saw when I went up there, I just remembered all the things I liked up there and I just decided to stay with it."
Williams, a 6-foot-7 forward, gave an oral commitment last fall but hadn't been heard from publicly since Tom Crean left MU for Indiana two weeks ago.
Interestingly, had MU not hired Williams to replace Crean, Williams might very well have wound up at Indiana with Crean. He and his coach at Cypress Springs, John Harmatuk, decided to wait MU's hiring process out before ultimately making a decision.
"The reason we weren't in a hurry is because it was going to be Indiana or Marquette," said Harmatuk. "He was never going to open it up to anybody else. He never wavered from Marquette. His parents are really big on the Jesuit education. That was the No. 1 priority for his family. Then No. 2, Erik was comfortable with Coach Buzz and comfortable with the kids that play at Marquette."
"If you're going to do recruiting right, you're going to do it on relationships because you're going to spend 24 hours a day, seven days a week with these guys for four years, and that's what it was all about. Erik had a good relationship with two people -- Coach Buzz and Coach Crean. That's why he wasn't in a hurry. He knew he had two good choices. It was never not going to be Marquette.
"There was that four- or five-day period when no head coach was named. As soon as Coach Buzz was named...it was easy."
Williams said his relationship with MU's new coach is a strong one.
"I know that I can trust him as my head coach, and he's a great guy off the court also," Williams said. "But I know he's going to push me 110% on the court, too. We have a real good relationship."
Williams also said that he keeps in contact with Chris Otule, one of three remaining signees for next season, and Otule told him he will also honor his commitment to MU.
Williams, who averaged 19.1 points, 8.4 rebounds and 4.7 blocks in 22 games last season, continues to recover from a broken left foot he suffered in practice on Jan. 1. Williams had a screw inserted into the bone to promote healing two weeks after suffering the injury, and is getting closer to be given the all-clear to resume full activity.
"I'm starting to work out and get in the gym a little bit," Williams said. "I'm off the crutches, but I'm still wearing a boot. But I can still work out. Hopefully this will be my last month (of recovery)."
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Quote from: Pakuni on April 15, 2008, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 15, 2008, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
I just didn't want my school to have to make such a risky hire
I understand that. But why post it in every thread?
Because when I'm called out as anti-Buzz they are wrong so apparently I need to keep saying it. I'm not anti-Buzz, I'm anti-process and thought they acted way to quickly. He was there to be had further down the process.
So I'll tell you what, I'll stop saying it's a risky hire if some of the folks stop implying people are anti-Buzz. They're not anti-Buzz, they're dumbfounded at how the process went down, the reasons for said process, etc.
Fair enough?
Would you be as "anti-process" if MU had hired Tony Bennett or Sean Miller withing 24 hours of Crean's resignation and without first contacting and/or interviewing Brad Brownell, Jim Les and Keno Davis?
If not, then you're not as anti-process as you claim. Rather, you're "anti the process than led to Buzz Williams" which, in short, makes you "anti-Buzz." That doesn't mean you dislike the guy or wish bad things upon him, but clearly you're more unhappy about who the process led to and not the process itself.
Nice try again Pakuni, and we've been down this road before. The process changed after the first two strikes...it went into plan B before it had too. So once the process/plan changed, yes I was against that plan. Why take a 4th round draft choice in the 2nd round when you can still get him in the 4th round?
Think of this way Pakuni....I support Buzz but not the administration or it's decision....much like people "support the troops but not the war". :o
Chicos: The people who made the hire do not view Buzz Williams as a fourth-round draft choice.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on April 15, 2008, 02:03:28 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:51:35 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 15, 2008, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
I just didn't want my school to have to make such a risky hire
I understand that. But why post it in every thread?
Because when I'm called out as anti-Buzz they are wrong so apparently I need to keep saying it. I'm not anti-Buzz, I'm anti-process and thought they acted way to quickly. He was there to be had further down the process.
So I'll tell you what, I'll stop saying it's a risky hire if some of the folks stop implying people are anti-Buzz. They're not anti-Buzz, they're dumbfounded at how the process went down, the reasons for said process, etc.
Fair enough?
Would you be as "anti-process" if MU had hired Tony Bennett or Sean Miller withing 24 hours of Crean's resignation and without first contacting and/or interviewing Brad Brownell, Jim Les and Keno Davis?
If not, then you're not as anti-process as you claim. Rather, you're "anti the process than led to Buzz Williams" which, in short, makes you "anti-Buzz." That doesn't mean you dislike the guy or wish bad things upon him, but clearly you're more unhappy about who the process led to and not the process itself.
Nice try again Pakuni, and we've been down this road before. The process changed after the first two strikes...it went into plan B before it had too. So once the process/plan changed, yes I was against that plan. Why take a 4th round draft choice in the 2nd round when you can still get him in the 4th round?
Think of this way Pakuni....I support Buzz but not the administration or it's decision....much like people "support the troops but not the war". :o
Can we call that pulling a Maurice Clarett
Quote from: mu-rara on April 15, 2008, 01:26:03 PM
No commentary from PRN or Chicos yet?
I think this is great news. Glad to hear it. Hopefully he can continue to land recruits on his own merit.
But it's still a terrible, unnecessarily risky hire. Nothing is going to change that. Winning $25K playing blackjack doesn't mean playing cards is a good career move.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 02:15:04 PM
Nice try again Pakuni, and we've been down this road before. The process changed after the first two strikes...it went into plan B before it had too. So once the process/plan changed, yes I was against that plan. Why take a 4th round draft choice in the 2nd round when you can still get him in the 4th round?
Think of this way Pakuni....I support Buzz but not the administration or it's decision....much like people "support the troops but not the war". :o
As long as we're mixing sports metaphors ... You may have had Buzz as a fourth-round value on your draft board, but clearly the administration did not. A lot of people thought the Colts reached when they took the less proven early-entry candidate Edgerrin James over four-year starter and Heisman Trophy winner Ricky Williams.
The more established guy isn't always the best guy.
Quote from: MarkMiller on April 15, 2008, 02:19:16 PM
Chicos: The people who made the hire do not view Buzz Williams as a fourth-round draft choice.
And there's the problem.
Several great quotes from IWB's story on Sports Bubbler:
http://www.sportsbubbler.com/DisplayTopic.aspx?topicID=1453
"Despite everything that has gone on, I remain strongly committed to Marquette University," Erik Williams said. "Coach Crean is a great person and coach, but the more I thought about it, I committed to Marquette because of everything that it stands for and has to offer. In the south, everything is football. At Marquette, basketball is the main focus."
Williams said his relationship with Buzz Williams also played a large role in his decision to remain committed to Marquette.
"Buzz Williams is a great guy and he really built a strong relationship with me," Erik Williams said. "I have spoken to Chris Otule and we both feel the same way, we are 100 percent confident that Buzz Williams will do a great job as the head coach at Marquette."
Cypress Springs coach John Harmatuk believes Erik Williams remained committed to Marquette because of his comfort level with Buzz Williams.
"When Erik found out Buzz got the job, it didn't take long for him to make a decision," Harmatuk said. "It's all about relationships because you are going to spend 24 hours a day, seven days a week with the guy. For Erik, Marquette and Buzz Williams was a comfort decision.
"Marquette is getting a tireless worker in Buzz Williams. He is just like Tom Crean in that respect. Buzz does a great job of building relationships with kids and they trust him."
"Marquette is getting a 6-7 wing -- a true two or three guard type – who can handle the ball and really shoot it," Harmatuk said. "Erik is one of the two or three best players in Texas and a top fifty player nationally. He's also a great shot blocker."
as a side note, I love the picture of Buzz on the sportsbubbler page. kind of reminds of a Third Reich speech. ;D
(http://www.sportsbubbler.com/MakeThumbnail.aspx?size=378&scale=true&file=UserImages/Topic000001453EWBuzz1.jpg)
Quote from: Shack on April 15, 2008, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: MarkMiller on April 15, 2008, 02:19:16 PM
Chicos: The people who made the hire do not view Buzz Williams as a fourth-round draft choice.
And there's the problem.
Or the problem is a bunch of jock sniffing armchair quarterbacks who have never met any of the potential candidates think they know more than those who have had interactions, or are close with those who have.
But that is the beauty of a message board.
Quote from: MarkMiller on April 15, 2008, 02:19:16 PM
Chicos: The people who made the hire do not view Buzz Williams as a fourth-round draft choice.
Mark, I understand that and that is obviously the case. I believe they thought him to be option 3 and based on how aggressively they stopped the search after their top 2 were out, that seems to be the case.
This administration also viewed Gold as a tangible nickname so I have less confidence then you do in them.
The great news is that next year this team should do nothing short of an NCAA bid and probably a top 5 Big East pre-season (maybe top 6) pick barring anything disasterous from happening. That, hopefully, will go a long way to helping Buzz out in recruiting and quelling any questions (even the following year will probably be the first where he will really have to dig deep into his coaching skills).
Quote from: indeelaw90 on April 15, 2008, 02:46:49 PM
Quote from: Shack on April 15, 2008, 02:25:15 PM
Quote from: MarkMiller on April 15, 2008, 02:19:16 PM
Chicos: The people who made the hire do not view Buzz Williams as a fourth-round draft choice.
And there's the problem.
Or the problem is a bunch of jock sniffing armchair quarterbacks who have never met any of the potential candidates think they know more than those who have had interactions, or are close with those who have.
But that is the beauty of a message board.
Of course, wouldn't it be sad if the jock sniffing armchair qb's were right...what would that say about the people in power and their close interactions? ;)
Or an equally interesting question would be, why are all those folks at UNO (the AD, etc) that had day to day interactions and were close to the process saying something totally different? Could be those folks are just jock sniffing armchair qb's as well as being the AD, etc....serving two roles. Which is nice.
Interesting....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 02:55:34 PM
Or an equally interesting question would be, why are all those folks at UNO (the AD, etc) that had day to day interactions and were close to the process saying something totally different? Could be those folks are just jock sniffing armchair qb's as well as being the AD, etc....serving two roles. Which is nice.
Who are "all those folks" you speak of? A few message board denizens unhappy with how he left? What about the other message board denizens who praised Williams' coaching ability? New Orleans AD has said things to indicate his displeasure with the way Buzz departed, but I've yet to read anything from the school that negative about his ability to coach and recruit players. Quite the opposite, in fact, here's what the AD, Jim Miller, in regards to the job Buzz did down there:
"He has made giant strides at improving our program, for which we are grateful, and I pledge that those positive strides will continue with a new head coach."http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2928349
No Pakuni, not posters on a message board. I'm talking about folks in that department. And I know this will shock you, but not everything makes the papers but folks in the industry can pick up a phone and find out info rather easily.
My point was rather simple, there are people close to the situation at UNO and close to the situation at MU....doesn't make them infallible nor does it make them experts on the hiring process. Both are DI athletic departments and both have differing views....and they don't even have to be arm-chair jock sniffing types either. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 03:13:15 PM
No Pakuni, not posters on a message board. I'm talking about folks in that department. And I know this will shock you, but not everything makes the papers but folks in the industry can pick up a phone and find out info rather easily.
My point was rather simple, there are people close to the situation at UNO and close to the situation at MU....doesn't make them infallible nor does it make them experts on the hiring process. Both are DI athletic departments and both have differing views....and they don't even have to be arm-chair jock sniffing types either. ;)
Oh boy. "The things that I know" routine.
Whatever. If you want to share with us information from your vast array of contacts at the University of New Orleans, please do. Otherwise, the I-have-a-secret bit is tiring.
Though I've got to ask, if the people at UNO thought so poorly of Buzz, why were they upset when he left?
Oh wait ... they weren't upset that he left, they were upset over
how he left. Seems to be a common theme.
Yes, definitely upset with how he left, no one can deny that. One year into a deal and he's gone, yes that's troubling for any department. I'm sure you would agree that makes it tough on the department and of course they feel jilted. We would feel the same way as would any department....especially because it happened so late as well. It's not like it happened right after the season ended which only added to much of the jilted feelings.
I have no secrets, I'm just saying two different departments view things differently despite being close to the process. The assertion by another poster was that because someone wasn't there day to day that their opinions must not be valid. I disagree with that assertion. It's just an opinion like any other...some will be right, some will be wrong.
No different then some of the recruiting reports by "recruiting gurus" and coaches over the years for MU. One would have thought we would have won 3 national titles based on the glowing remarks on some of those recruits over the years, it's strange that some turned out to be total flops despite how "close" they were to the process. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 03:26:48 PM
Yes, definitely upset with how he left, no one can deny that. One year into a deal and he's gone, yes that's troubling for any department. I'm sure you would agree that makes it tough on the department and of course they feel jilted. We would feel the same way as would any department....especially because it happened so late as well. It's not like it happened right after the season ended which only added to much of the jilted feelings.
I have no secrets, I'm just saying two different departments view things differently despite being close to the process.
I have no doubt that the UNO people think poorly of Buzz. I wouldn't expect otherwise, given the timing and circumstances of his departure. They have good reason for feeling burned cause that's what happened to them. Buzz, IMO, probably could make the argument that he was burned first, but it really doesn't matter at this point.
That said, unless their criticisms relate to his coaching ability, his recruiting ability or the manner in which he ran the program (i.e. making kids go to class, no violations, recruiting good kids) then it's irrelevant to me. Their ill will over how Buzz left doesn't matter, as far as I'm concerned, because I really don't believe Williams would bail on MU after a year or two over whether or not the university is committed to running a competitive basketball program. I think that issue is pretty well established.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 15, 2008, 03:26:48 PM
No different then some of the recruiting reports by "recruiting gurus" and coaches over the years for MU. One would have thought we would have won 3 national titles based on the glowing remarks on some of those recruits over the years, it's strange that some turned out to be total flops despite how "close" they were to the process. ;)
Chicos,
I don't want to argue with you because I think we are all really feeling the same way... but expressing it differently.
However, your point about recruiting is interesting because couldn't we say/think that Buzz is a diamond in the rough like our best player ever?
Now, before everybody blasts me for comparing him to Wade... I just want to be clear that I'm not saying it's the same thing... I'm just saying that taking a chance on a person is not always a bad thing.
Again, your point about not taking an unnecessary risk is valid and duly noted... I'm just optimistic that maybe we got Buzz before he is really a known quantity... so maybe it's a good thing.
And, for full disclosure... if Buzz tanks, I will admit that I am/was wrong.
I like the fact that although buzz has not proven himself yet, he doesn't have to start with a crap team. If he is behind the learning curve he should be able to catch up fast while a strong 08-09 team carries him a bit. Never hurts to get some help at the start.
It wasn't necessarily directed at you Chicos, but at quite a few people who have no idea about:
1) Buzz's coaching ability
2) Buzz's interviewing skills
3) Buzz's recruiting skills
4) Buzz's offensive and defensive game plan
as well as having no idea about these same issues on potential coaches such as Lowery, Brownell, et al.
But yet seem to think our process was flawed because we "quickly settled" on a guy with one year of head coaching experience, despite the fact that he is well known in the coaching community as one of the best recruiters, by far the most important aspect in building a quality team.
And I love the fact that people keep bringing up the "Gold" fiasco. Big difference in hiring a basketball coach and picking a stupid nickname.
Edit: Woohoo I am on scholarship now!!! Does that mean no room for Butler?
+2 for Buzz. This is very nice news. Hopefully it's just the start.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 15, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 15, 2008, 01:34:32 PM
It's always funny when the people who accuse others of overreaction fall victim to the very same trait.
This is very good news. But it's also expected news. [snip]
With the Taylor news and the Williams news we're beginning the process of filling out the scorecard.
Wait....wasn't the TT and NW news also expected? You've been one of the biggest critics of continuity - but keeping the entire team (well, the important cogs, less SC) seems to offer a lot of continuity. Add in keeping a few recruits, including one that hasn't even signed a LOI, and one that is 6'10" (or taller by the time he gets on campus), and things seems like things are going OK.
The sky is not falling. Buzz is not going to end MU hoops as we know it.
I'm not going to guarantee he's going to be successful (though many seem to be willing to guarantee we're going to be in the toilets). But I just don't think it's as bad of a hire as most people have been harping about.
NW was expected. When we're told that Taylor had a better relationship with Buzz and the Buzz supporters last week claimed credit for Taylor when discussing Buzz' recruiting triumphs I think it's fair to criticize a bit in not being able to firm up Taylor's pledge. I will admit it was an uphill battle but with Buzz being credited as the man who worked to get the initial commit he should also get a little flak for it falling through.
Also, the continuity argument still falls flat for me. We've lost our top 2 2008 recruits. We will lose DJ, JM, DB, and WM in 12 months. We lose the core of Buzz' first team and lost a part of the core for the years that follow.
Buzz may be able to land the talent needed for a softer fall but we will need some serious coaching in Year II and Year III and no one has yet to sell me on Buzz' coaching style.
Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 15, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Also, the continuity argument still falls flat for me. We've lost our top 2 2008 recruits. We will lose DJ, JM, DB, and WM in 12 months.
What if you were told that some of this core would have been lost a lot sooner without Buzz? I have no sources but there seems to be some insinuation out there that Buzz being hired kept several current players on the roster......thats continuity isn't? Point is we don't know whats going on behind the scenes there very well might be less disaster because of Buzz instead of more.
clap your hands if you beleive in faries... or buzz ;D
Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 15, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
NW was expected. When we're told that Taylor had a better relationship with Buzz and the Buzz supporters last week claimed credit for Taylor when discussing Buzz' recruiting triumphs I think it's fair to criticize a bit in not being able to firm up Taylor's pledge. I will admit it was an uphill battle but with Buzz being credited as the man who worked to get the initial commit he should also get a little flak for it falling through.
I think you're being a little disingenuous here. Taylor asked for his release within hours of Crean taking the IU job and Hurley was quoted as saying "Yes, he liked the school but there's no doubt that the decision was based on Tom Crean." Hurley that night also said "I'm going to have to really know this guy (the new coach) well" in regards to MU's new coach for Tyshawn to reconsider MU. In other words, Buzz had almost no chance from the start. He neither is a) Tom Crean or b) someone Hurley knows well.
I understand Tyshawn made a remark about Buzz being the guy who recruited him, but it's pretty apparent that given the circumstances of Friday's meeting and Hurley being dead-set against Taylor going to MU from the moment Crean left, Buzz was in an impossible situation. I'm not going to give him a little flak for not succeeding when success was close to impossible.
QuoteAlso, the continuity argument still falls flat for me. We've lost our top 2 2008 recruits. We will lose DJ, JM, DB, and WM in 12 months. We lose the core of Buzz' first team and lost a part of the core for the years that follow.
There you go again. Remind me, which coaching candidate would have gotten DJ, JM, DB and WM a fifth year of eligibility? It's a ridiculous point you're making.
Basically, MU lost one transfer and one recruit who were gone the moment Crean said adieu and a second recruit who gave MU a slim-to-none chance or re-recruiting him. These are things that would have occurred regardless. On the other hand, hiring Buzz increased the chances of DJ and JM returning, lessened the chance of a Mbakwe transfer (perhaps even eliminated them) and saved three recruits from bailing.
Nobody said there wouldn't be any losses if Buzz was hired. The argument would be that there would be fewer, and by all accounts that argument appears is holding true.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 15, 2008, 04:20:19 PM
Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 15, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
NW was expected. When we're told that Taylor had a better relationship with Buzz and the Buzz supporters last week claimed credit for Taylor when discussing Buzz' recruiting triumphs I think it's fair to criticize a bit in not being able to firm up Taylor's pledge. I will admit it was an uphill battle but with Buzz being credited as the man who worked to get the initial commit he should also get a little flak for it falling through.
I think you're being a little disingenuous here. Taylor asked for his release within hours of Crean taking the IU job and Hurley was quoted as saying "Yes, he liked the school but there's no doubt that the decision was based on Tom Crean." Hurley that night also said "I'm going to have to really know this guy (the new coach) well" in regards to MU's new coach for Tyshawn to reconsider MU. In other words, Buzz had almost no chance from the start. He neither is a) Tom Crean or b) someone Hurley knows well.
I understand Tyshawn made a remark about Buzz being the guy who recruited him, but it's pretty apparent that given the circumstances of Friday's meeting and Hurley being dead-set against Taylor going to MU from the moment Crean left, Buzz was in an impossible situation. I'm not going to give him a little flak for not succeeding when success was close to impossible.
QuoteAlso, the continuity argument still falls flat for me. We've lost our top 2 2008 recruits. We will lose DJ, JM, DB, and WM in 12 months. We lose the core of Buzz' first team and lost a part of the core for the years that follow.
There you go again. Remind me, which coaching candidate would have gotten DJ, JM, DB and WM a fifth year of eligibility? It's a ridiculous point you're making.
Basically, MU lost one transfer and one recruit who were gone the moment Crean said adieu and a second recruit who gave MU a slim-to-none chance or re-recruiting him. These are things that would have occurred regardless. On the other hand, hiring Buzz increased the chances of DJ and JM returning, lessened the chance of a Mbakwe transfer (perhaps even eliminated them) and saved three recruits from bailing. Nobody said there wouldn't be any losses if Buzz was hired. The argument would be that there would be fewer, and by all accounts that argument appears is holding true.
Does it really matter anymore? Many of us were upset by the hire. Now that we are past that can't we all just get along with cheering buzzes wins and being patient with him. Just because we weren't hapy with the hire doesn't mean we have a problem with him.
Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 15, 2008, 04:03:36 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 15, 2008, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Coobeys Oil Depot on April 15, 2008, 01:34:32 PM
It's always funny when the people who accuse others of overreaction fall victim to the very same trait.
This is very good news. But it's also expected news. [snip]
With the Taylor news and the Williams news we're beginning the process of filling out the scorecard.
Wait....wasn't the TT and NW news also expected? You've been one of the biggest critics of continuity - but keeping the entire team (well, the important cogs, less SC) seems to offer a lot of continuity. Add in keeping a few recruits, including one that hasn't even signed a LOI, and one that is 6'10" (or taller by the time he gets on campus), and things seems like things are going OK.
The sky is not falling. Buzz is not going to end MU hoops as we know it.
I'm not going to guarantee he's going to be successful (though many seem to be willing to guarantee we're going to be in the toilets). But I just don't think it's as bad of a hire as most people have been harping about.
NW was expected. When we're told that Taylor had a better relationship with Buzz and the Buzz supporters last week claimed credit for Taylor when discussing Buzz' recruiting triumphs I think it's fair to criticize a bit in not being able to firm up Taylor's pledge. I will admit it was an uphill battle but with Buzz being credited as the man who worked to get the initial commit he should also get a little flak for it falling through.
Also, the continuity argument still falls flat for me. We've lost our top 2 2008 recruits. We will lose DJ, JM, DB, and WM in 12 months. We lose the core of Buzz' first team and lost a part of the core for the years that follow.
Buzz may be able to land the talent needed for a softer fall but we will need some serious coaching in Year II and Year III and no one has yet to sell me on Buzz' coaching style.
Continuity has more to do with it than missing out on 2 recruits and losing 4 players the following year. Buzz probably gives us the best chance to be successful next year. Why? In all likelihood the big 3 are back which was not a given if another coach was hired. The current players know Buzz and workouts in the offseason will be similar. The offensive and defensive philosophies probably won't be dramatic changes. All of that leads to continuity. Add to the fact that we don't lose all 4 recruits. Eric Williams still wants to come to MU and I say that is pretty good.
Also the administration didn't rush into a hire. They actually had 9 months to evaluate Buzz to determine he was on their short list.