He texted JW well before it was allowed last spring. He had no problems bending those rules. I would've been blasted for posting that a year ago, but it is true. The soccer donation was a little fishy too. I don't know the details but it was the pet project of someone close to JW.
Buzz will be a major improvement. He'll do a nice job AND be a good guy.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 01:07:18 PM
He texted JW well before it was allowed last spring. He had no problems bending those rules. I would've been blasted for posting that a year ago, but it is true. The soccer donation was a little fishy too. I don't know the details but it was the pet project of someone close to JW.
Buzz will be a major improvement. He'll do a nice job AND be a good guy.
Proof?
nope...
What do you expect from a guy who calls Sampson a friend?
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 01:14:05 PM
nope...
That's what I thought. Doesn't do much good without the proof. I honestly wish you had some, I'd be happy to forward to my friends at IU and the NCAA. But without it, doesn't mean a hill of beans. It's as good as the rumor of Ryan finger blasting some chick at the Big Ten Tournament.
butch? No proof ??
Butch and others were also the ones with imaginary stories at the Wisconsin high school championships a few years ago....also strong supporters of Pearl Kiley for a long time. Enough said.
I hate to correct a rumor, but Ryan was finger blasting some chick in Omaha, not the Big 10 Tournament. It pains me to have to correct that. ;)
Is there any news or as to if Marquette will continue to try and recruit out east with a Texan coming in. It seems MU has done well out there in recent years adn I knwo we all woudl liek to see it CONtinue. Anyone have any leads to any players in the DC or NY areas being hit hard by Brent.
Quote from: MUDish on April 11, 2008, 01:35:12 PM
I hate to correct a rumor, but Ryan was finger blasting some chick in Omaha, not the Big 10 Tournament. It pains me to have to correct that. ;)
Nice mature response re: Bo. :'( Have good a 12th birthday.
It appears his negative recruiting turned out to be truthful recruiting.
Proof? Should I get his phone records your honor :-\ ? What a foolish repsonse.
Believe what you will and keep defending the guy that turned his back on Marquette and did so in a prickish manner.
Re some HS tournament I have no idea what you are talking about. I haven't seen a HS game not at Nicolet , USM or Homestead in 20 years. Never met Pearl Kiley either. Do you have proof? :-*
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 02:04:26 PM
Nice mature response re: Bo. :'( Have good a 12th birthday.
It appears his negative recruiting turned out to be truthful recruiting.
Proof? Should I get his phone records your honor :-\ ? What a foolish repsonse.
Believe what you will and keep defending the guy that turned his back on Marquette and did so in a prickish manner.
Re some HS tournament I have no idea what you are talking about. I haven't seen a HS game not at Nicolet , USM or Homestead in 20 years. Never met Pearl Kiley either. Do you have proof? :-*
Your right we should all immediatly buy everything you say for no reason other than you telling us to. After all your impressive post count has allowed for all of us to develop opinons on: the impressive depth of your sorces and inside information, if you are constantly negative, posses even basic basketball knowledge, posses even basic levels of common sense, and if you are the kind of person who spreads any wild rumor you hear.
But since you insist the you are factualy correct and make fun of people who ask for a shred of evidence we'll all assume everything you say is a fact because if we don't you'll call us 12 and your honor and foolish.
Wouldn't it be more foollish to trust some random person who named himslef after a badger?
Quote from: RawdogDX on April 11, 2008, 02:23:24 PM
Wouldn't it be more foollish to trust some random person who named himslef after a badger?
I wouldn't trust a Madison student with my calculator, once they get high, you know they are going to MacGyver it into a bong.
Quote from: marqptm on April 11, 2008, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: RawdogDX on April 11, 2008, 02:23:24 PM
Wouldn't it be more foollish to trust some random person who named himslef after a badger?
I wouldn't trust a Madison student with my calculator, once they get high, you know they are going to MacGyver it into a bong.
Whats wrong with that?
Quote from: MUDish on April 11, 2008, 01:35:12 PM
I hate to correct a rumor, but Ryan was finger blasting some chick in Omaha, not the Big 10 Tournament. It pains me to have to correct that. ;)
He's finger piloted so much lately it's hard to remember which port of entry (no pun intended) he's in. Just kidding of course.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 02:04:26 PM
Nice mature response re: Bo. :'( Have good a 12th birthday.
It appears his negative recruiting turned out to be truthful recruiting.
Proof? Should I get his phone records your honor :-\ ? What a foolish repsonse.
Believe what you will and keep defending the guy that turned his back on Marquette and did so in a prickish manner.
Re some HS tournament I have no idea what you are talking about. I haven't seen a HS game not at Nicolet , USM or Homestead in 20 years. Never met Pearl Kiley either. Do you have proof? :-*
You didn't have to meet Pearl Kiley, the verbal love affair on your boards was enough. Proof...sure, it's called a search engine. Or try www.waybackmachine.com and then put in the various Badger websites back in the day....your own words.
As for the text messaging, you come here and say he was text messaging when he wasn't allowed to. All I've asked for is proof....no phone records....how about a simple "Swenson said so" or "BM said so" would be at least a start. ::)
PROooooooooooooooooooVE Ittttttttttttttttttttt BUTCH BADGER
Quote from: marqptm on April 11, 2008, 02:28:52 PM
Quote from: RawdogDX on April 11, 2008, 02:23:24 PM
Wouldn't it be more foollish to trust some random person who named himslef after a badger?
I wouldn't trust a Madison student with my calculator, once they get high, you know they are going to MacGyver it into a bong.
They can do that? If any Madison kids are reading this, i would like to procure one of your calculator bongs. Do you call them bongculators?
Proof on a message board. That's priceless. Do we have proof of WHEN Crean took the job? Proof?
Sadly, you guys have battered woman syndrome. Still defending total jerkoff who smacked you around a week ago. He did not represent a great university well except for luckily recruiting Wade. He was hated by virtually anyone that had to deal with him on any level. And worst of all he left you on the altar. Yet you defend him still.
I feel sorry for Buzz. The next girlfriend can never measure up. Even if she is better.
Ding Dong the witch is dead!
Make up some more stuff Chico. It is entertaining. And I thought I had to tow the company line on Dodds board. I was told there were 1st amendment rights here. Sorry for referring to your EX COACH in less than glowing terms.
I simply asked for some proof....even if it's Redforeman telling you he did it. Seriously, you said Crean text messaged JW when he wasn't allowed to...fess up, how do you know this? Is this too difficult a question to answer?
I don't know redforeman... I was told by someone who would know. I could not care less if you believe me because of your man crush. It's over. He is gone. I never posted this info on BN or BV because Crean is vindicative as heck.
Now I don't give a rip. If you have followed my posts on BN my information is gold. I don't give 10 percent of what I know. I have great sources at both schools But if news is going to come out anyway in a day or so I scoop it. In this case it is passe so I don't care.
I am thrilled to be able to enjoy Warrior hoops again now that the withc is dead. PLEASE don't make it so hard for me.
Are you guys really arguing with a guy who claims Tom Crean made a $100K dontation for the purpose of currying favor with someone a sophomore in high school knows?
Isn't that outlandish suggestion in and of itself enough to convince you you're dealing with a kook?
It was 100K. Kook?
Just so we know you are credible why don't you post a couple of things you have Bo?
Since you have such good sources at both schools and all.
Nobody here has any love for the way Crean left but Bo is no better.
If you don't know that you need to get some new sources......
If Buzz starts beating the Badgers or wins a few recruiting battles with Bo I have a feeling you will find a few things about him that you just can't stand as well.
Just a hunch.
ps. You want to come here and make friends just by ripping on Crean? lol. If you really want to make some freinds here I'll help you out. For every insult you throw at Crean throw another one at Bo. A connected guy like you should have plenty of info.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 08:13:16 PM
It was 100K. Kook?
You're right. Corrected.
But it makes you no less of a kook.
I do know that people around Bo actually like him. He is kind to waitresses, secrataries, flight attendants, assistant coaches...the little people...not just other people that are famous. You hard the stories..you didn't want to believe it. Like a battered spouse you still dont want to hear it. Sad.
If you got it on Bo Mark...do tell. But here, we require proof apparently. So no more guesssing on transfers or recruits... without proof.
Pakuni, there is nothing illegal about the donation.
But for all you know of Tom Crean...does he do anything that DOES NOT benefit Tom Crean? Or are you brainwashed and a new IU fan?
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 08:44:10 PM
Pakuni, there is nothing illegal about the donation.
But for all you know of Tom Crean...does he do anything that DOES NOT benefit Tom Crean? Or are you brainwashed and a new IU fan?
Why are you here? Do you have insecurity issues?
how does a 100K donation benefit Tom Crean other than getting his name in the paper? Pretty hefty price to pay, and the people who really benefitted were the MU soccer players, right?
BB
I stopped caring about Crean when he stopped being the coach at Marquette. No battered wife syndrome here. I'm not disputing that he was a prick. Many coaches are.
I have heard from people who know Bo that he is a backstabber. I have personally heard stories from a guy who played for him at Plattville. To say he painted him in a bad light would be understating it. I know for a fact he told Wesley Matthews during his recruitment that Crean had accepted the head coaching job at Ohio State.
I can no more prove any of this then you can prove the Crean text story.
Your info may very well be true....I know mine is.
So can we forget Tom Crean now?
Our prick is gone. Yours is still here.
For some reason Badger fans don't really care that he is a prick because he wins alot.
I have no problem with that actually.....just don't be a hypocrite about it.
butch, I like you a lot better with the jennifer aniston picture that you have on the scout board. here.....eh.. :D
Ohio St? that's funny. This is the information age. Anyone who would say that, believe that, or fall for that is a moron.
you mean like a Ron Dayne-type moron?
Yes, The all time leading NACAA D1 rusher and Heisman Trophy winner.
That guy. Nice reach.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 09:34:29 PM
Yes, The all time leading NACAA D1 rusher and Heisman Trophy winner.
That guy. Nice reach.
That guy...has he learned to read yet...literally?
Butch, all you've done is state innuendo without backing it up so it's hard to take you seriously. As a UW-madison fan, I would think you would want that bit of information going to the NCAA folks since IU will be competing against UW-madison not only for Jamil Wilson, but it would also be in violation of the rules anyway. Or are you ok with cheating as long as it's Stu Jackson, et al?
There is no love affair for Crean...the man is gone. Hoping he crashes and burns except when he plays UW-madison in which case I'll wish what my Wisconsin-madison brethren wished on MU's club this past year when they played ND (plane crash, etc).
But, since you said your statements on BN are "gold", I thought we would do a little audit. There is literal gold from you here http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.badgermaniac.com :o
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 09:30:14 PM
Ohio St? that's funny. This is the information age. Anyone who would say that, believe that, or fall for that is a moron.
It's funny what Steve Novak's parents said about Bo's recruitment of Steve. But that's right, Bo is an angel.
where's the proof? ::)
you want proof that the all-time leading rusher got the lowest score in Giants history on his intelligence test after four years at UW? That's a fact. Four years at UW and he could barely read.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 10:10:21 PM
where's the proof? ::)
I was told by someone who would know. I could not care less if you believe me because of your man crush on Bo.
I have it on good authority that Bo Ryan has killed three AAU coaches and buried their bodies in his backyard. No proof, but you'll just have to take my word that he is doing this illegal activity.
Hey... this is fun!
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on April 10, 2008, 05:44:19 PM
the thing is, he'll get his minutes. No offense to cubes or acker, but TT will be the back-up PG the day he steps on campus. He can probably do everything acker can do offensively, and the mere fact he is 7 inches taller than MO gives him a big defensive advantage. And if cubillan can't shoot, he basically worthless, as he still can't create shots for others or get to the rim (kinda go with each other actually).
Cuby made a great backup pg even when he couldn't shoot. Only problem, as you mentioned with acker is size. I wouldn't trade him for anyone, esp. given the energy he plays with.
Hurly is just watching out for his kids.
Sad fact is that Butch is correct - Crean is an unprincipled, self-centered dick. I cannot help but feel we are much better off without him, on many differenct levels.
In my world, tactical combat aviation, selfish asses are dangerous. Good riddance.
Quote from: warthogdriver on April 12, 2008, 10:07:33 PM
Sad fact is that Butch is correct - Crean is an unprincipled, self-centered dick. I cannot help but feel we are much better off without him, on many differenct levels.
In my world, tactical combat aviation, selfish asses are dangerous. Good riddance.
You work in a noble profession....college coaching not so much. Many of them are self centered dicks.
Chicos, it is true that many college coaches are self-centered jerks but what galls me about Crean is that he preached togetherness, family, team, etc... but bolted without so much as a by your leave. His hypocrisy is what is so troubling.
He made a commitment to many different constituencies but found it incredibly easy to simply walk away from every single one without any consideration. A man is judged by his word - all the rest is lace curtains and chocolate. I have 38 aviators in my squadron. If one if us says that he will do something then the other 37 have to trust that commitment implicitly. If one of us breaks ranks with his comrades he is of zero use to this Unit, the mission, and our brotherhood. Men must be able to rely and depend on each other, in combat and in garrison.
I think Majerus is an example of promoting an assistant coach that the fans needed to have patience with. Certainly, he did not have great success at MU. Three NIT trips after MU had been to the NCAA tournament something like 19 out of 20 years. He left MU under a a lot of pressure and critcism. Certainly, proved later to be a great coach. Sometimes timing is everything. Maybe, if Raymonds stays one more year, we would have got Wolf and Majerus could have taken over and had better results. Anyways a strong start does not guarantee that Buz will be a long-term success and a slow start does not mean that Buz we be a long-term failure. If he is a winner as he says he is he will come out on top either here or somewhere else. I would rather have it be here.
Let us see how the team looks after the November 09 recruiting class. That gives him two recruiting classes. by then we will know if we have the talent to compete in the Big East.
Maybe I missed it, but what did SN's parents have to say about Steve's recruitment by BO ?
Quote from: butchbadger on April 11, 2008, 08:00:05 PM
I don't know redforeman... I was told by someone who would know. I could not care less if you believe me because of your man crush. It's over. He is gone. I never posted this info on BN or BV because Crean is vindicative as heck.
Now I don't give a rip. If you have followed my posts on BN my information is gold. I don't give 10 percent of what I know. I have great sources at both schools But if news is going to come out anyway in a day or so I scoop it. In this case it is passe so I don't care.
I am thrilled to be able to enjoy Warrior hoops again now that the withc is dead. PLEASE don't make it so hard for me.
what a pompous ass. Do you walk into rooms and just start yelling at people and insulting them? you realize this is an anonymous message board. If some random person walked up to you and said something that you've never even heard a rumor of on a subject that you follow closely wouldn't you say: How do you know that? I don't know how things work on your badger boards but here and in normal conversation that is a perfectly reasonable response.
There is a huge difference between "how do you know that?" and demanding proof...especially on a message board.
Other than that I couldn't make any sense of your post.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 13, 2008, 05:56:20 PM
There is a huge difference between "how do you know that?" and demanding proof...especially on a message board.
Other than that I couldn't make any sense of your post.
Demanding it's called asking? You are reading way too much into this. Yes one person used the word proof, i think evidence, sources, where did the knowledge come from? The reason you couldn't understand my post is probably because you had the same instructers as dayne and were busy hitting out of a gravity bong.
But i'll give it another go. Just because this is a message board doesn't mean we throw away all the normal rules of human interaction. no one said anything other than ask a complete stranger where they got some information from and you launched into a battered wife comparison and man crushes. You are a bucth league person when it comes to interacting with a group of people. If you would have approached this differently then you would have had a bunch of people on your side, here's what i would have said:
"Hey, i haven't posted here before but i have a lot of connections with both madison and mu and i've heard from several people who i consider reliable that Cread did ..."
ANd then we would have avoided all of this, but instead you were a cocky, immature, pompus, jerk.
Name calling...with grammar that would get my 4th grader in trouble. ::) Not the best way to discuss anything. And you made fun of my school?
Sorry I didn't approach it in a manner to your liking. I simply stated something that your ex coach did. Speculation if you wish, but nothing more than has speculated about him, or Bo, or anything on a message board. Why would I be the first person ever to give my source on a message board?
Yet I was jumped all over and told to prove it. Laughable.
"Hey, i haven't posted here before but i have a lot of connections with both madison and mu and i've heard from several people who i consider reliable that Cread did ..." Like that would've made a difference to the "I still don't want to hear anything bad about TC even though he effed us" crowd. I am sure a lot of people here know me from the MU Scout Board and know I just don't throw sh@t out there.
I am sure the Novak's would be thrilled to be dragged into this. Public figures that they are and all. :'(
Quote from: butchbadger on April 13, 2008, 08:45:28 PM
I am sure the Novak's would be thrilled to be dragged into this. Public figures that they are ans all. :'(
:-*
Quote from: butchbadger on April 13, 2008, 08:45:28 PM
Yet I was jumped all over and told to prove it. Laughable.
[ Like that would've made a difference to the "I still don't want to hear anything bad about TC even" crowd.
yes the fact that someone said 'proof?' and you think that constitues being 'jumped on' is laughable.
ANd yes it would have made a huge difference. If you read this board on a regular basis you'd know that crowd is bearly present on this board. There were at least a half dozen threads saying he was a jerk, traitor, pretty boy, liar so get past it. It was a simple question grow up and stop crying that we didn't all realize you were intimatly involved with higher ups and go golfing with athletic directors.
Guys, its a message board. Let's just let this go. It's been days now and I still keep seeing Butch hammered on for not providing "proof" to a rumor/story he supposedly knows of. Can we all please move on?
please delete
I don't intentionally mean to join the fray, but if butchbadger is going to get on someone about "grammar," perhaps he should double and triple check his own writings.
It is just an idea for butchbadger to consider.
yet another reason for the invention of the ignore button...
thanks mods!
Pretty simple Butch, if you're going to accuse a coach of NCAA violations on a board, well you better back it up. And "someone that would know" isn't going to cut it.
We expect a bit more then that. You started this crap and you have yet to provide one semblance of anything credible to back it up.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 13, 2008, 08:45:28 PM
Name calling...with grammar that would get my 4th grader in trouble. ::) Not the best way to discuss anything.
I am sure the Novak's would be thrilled to be dragged into this. Public figures that they are and all.
More than just the Novaks, and you being so connected and all should know that. ::)
This is still my favorite from that classy coach of yours during Luke Homan's funeral, to have the f'ing audacity to even bring this up....especially in light of him ripping on Pearl for making it all about him, what does Bo think he is doing with these comments? What a jag. No wonder the Bennetts absolutly despise Ryan. No wonder.
Ryan said that several people called to tell him that Tennessee coach Bruce Pearl had a stretch limousine waiting to pick him up after he attended the recent funeral for former UWM and UW-La Crosse basketball player Luke Homan. Pearl coached Homan when they were both at Milwaukee.
"That's how he was picked up at the funeral. You wouldn't believe the number of people who said, 'How in the heck could he have the audacity to make it a spectacle about himself?' " Ryan said incredulously.
I don't know where that came from, but I must say I have to agree. A horrible tragedy is no time to act like the big shot. Low key would've have been a lot appropriate IMHO. Pearl loves to draw attention to himself and that would've been neither the time nor the place. Rent a car.
I like Bruce and he is a nice guy, but I also just heard a story about him and an uncommitted player at the McD's game that would make everyone here sick. He landed the guy too. I have major reservations about the program he is running. Of course since I don't have recorded audio or video of the story I won't post it here.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 14, 2008, 11:34:25 AM
I don't know where that came from, but I must say I have to agree. A horrible tragedy is no time to act like the big shot. Low key would've have been a lot appropriate IMHO. Pearl loves to draw attention to himself and that would've been neither the time nor the place. Rent a car.
I like Bruce and he is a nice guy, but I also just heard a story about him and an uncommitted player at the McD's game that would make everyone here sick. He landed the guy too. I have major reservations about the program he is running. Of course since I don't have recorded audio or video of the story I won't post it here.
And a horrible tragedy is no place to compound a bad act of renting a limo by making it a bigger issue in the papers as Ryan did....douchbaggery by both of them. No wonder the Bennets despise Ryan.
Yep..he probably should've kept quiet. Do you have a link to the newspaper article?
Quote from: butchbadger on April 14, 2008, 11:47:53 AM
Yep..he probably should've kept quiet. Do you have a link to the newspaper article?
It's on Big Ten Wonk....fortunately they captured the article because later it was deleted off of www.madison.com (hmmm...I wonder why ::) )
http://bigtenwonk.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html
Also coverage on other Wisconsin related boards (UWM, etc) before someone decided it made Pearl and Ryan look like a-holes and they took it down
Any vote for a lock on this bad boy since it's deviated from Recruiting News to a Bo Ryan thread?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on April 14, 2008, 12:35:10 PM
Any vote for a lock on this bad boy since it's deviated from Recruiting News to a Bo Ryan thread?
agreed.
Please God
Split off from the main topic, and locked.
Good call - I just wasted a few minutes of my life rading the whole thing.
Original topic here:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=8616.0