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There were some comments by a New Orleans fan on the scout site that ripped into Buzz pretty good.
Kowalczyk to leave a head coaching position to become an assistant? I don't care if "it's indiana" THAT is definitely a step down.
I think it might be more than Tod K just leaving....he might be pushed out just a bit. IU is a soft landing for Tod.
If Buckley just bought a house in Milwaukee I'd venture a guess he is not real happy with Tom right now either.
I'm guessing GB didn't offer any extension and he sees the handwriting. I'm not sure how it works for assistants but is it typical for them to get a relo package. Pretty sure the HC doesn't have to worry about selling the house but do the IU's of the world extend that to assistants. How is Buckley viewed in Ind after Ball St?
Take this with a grain of salt, but....
my daughter goes to school with Buckley's daughter. Yesterday she came home and said that Buckley's daughter said that they were moving to Indiana.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 04, 2008, 02:22:10 PM
There were some comments by a New Orleans fan on the scout site that ripped into Buzz pretty good.
And some pretty good comments from Texas A&M fans praising him.
I'd a bailed on UNO too. They haven't been any good since Hot Rod Williams got a shoe box full of cash.
Quote from: muhoops1 on April 04, 2008, 03:48:57 PM
I'd a bailed on UNO too. They haven't been any good since Hot Rod Williams got a shoe box full of cash.
That was Tulane, chief
If he had stayed at New Orleans -- or been an assistant to Gillespie this year -- would he be a candidate for ANY jobs right now? The answer is no!
There is absolutely no reason for him to be a candidate at Marquette. None.
Let's remember that we have a chance to be a very good team next year!! Why piss it away for the "security" of basically two incoming freshmen?
Great post PRN. Big risk of wasting what could be a great senior season for the big three so we secure two recruits- a JUCO and a project at that.
QuoteThat was Tulane, chief.
Williams got the nickname "Hot Rod" as a baby due to his habit of scooting backwards across the floor while making engine-like sounds. Williams had a solid career at Tulane, but it ended in controversy. On March 27, 1985, Williams was arrested for suspicion of point shaving. According to the indictment, Williams accepted at least $8,550 dollars for manipulating point spreads in games against Southern Miss, Memphis State, and Virginia Tech. Williams was charged with sports bribery and conspiracy, but on June 16, 1986, a jury found him not guilty of all five counts.[1]
oops.
Either way they all suck. MU cannot be held hostage by four 18 year olds who no longer want to play here.
How come Keno (is that his first name) Davis' name isn't mentioned? He's better than Weber or the clown from Dayton.
I am beginning to suspect that the "positive" spin of a Williams hire is underway.
The BOTs meeting must be over by now...and suddently there is a groundswell of support on the MU board with all the "contacts" (translated to mean people that are over 50 years old).
Take it for what it's worth. Which might be nothing. I just have a hard time that people would be sincerely excited (!) that our new coach is Buzz Williams.
But their basketball team hasn't done squat since Earvin Johnson played
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2008, 04:16:24 PM
I am beginning to suspect that the "positive" spin of a Williams hire is underway.
The BOTs meeting must be over by now...and suddently there is a groundswell of support on the MU board with all the "contacts" (translated to mean people that are over 50 years old).
Take it for what it's worth. Which might be nothing. I just have a hard time that people would be sincerely excited (!) that our new coach is Buzz Williams.
Hey, I take that over 50 comment personally!!
Look, if we cannot get a solid HC interested *(a little distressing on the face of it) then Buzz is a good a choice as any. He may have the best shot to keep the turnips on the truck.
Let's not give up on Nick Williams. For the record I have never talked to him, but I did go see him play in the prep tourney and one of the other parents in the gym saw my Marquette shirt and came over to say they were really thrilled he was going to a basketball school, and not being wasted at a football school like Alabama, and that Nick's Dad had always been a huge Marquette fan. Sure the first reaction from an 18-year-old is to bail, but if they get excited about the new coach maybe they can be "re-recruited." Agree that the most important thing is that we owe the Three Amigos, if they all stay, we need to give them the best chance to go as far as possible next year.
I mean no offense about the age thing. But it's far too coincidental that the BOTs has probably adjourned and there are suddenly people on the board (people near the same age as those on the Board) talking about Buzz! Being! The! Answer!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2008, 04:16:24 PM
I am beginning to suspect that the "positive" spin of a Williams hire is underway.
The BOTs meeting must be over by now...and suddently there is a groundswell of support on the MU board with all the "contacts" (translated to mean people that are over 50 years old).
Take it for what it's worth. Which might be nothing. I just have a hard time that people would be sincerely excited (!) that our new coach is Buzz Williams.
Agree, Dodds hadn't posted anything for awhile and then out of the blue posts something positive about Buzz' regional recruiting abilities. The spin is on.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2008, 04:23:15 PM
I mean no offense about the age thing. But it's far too coincidental that the BOTs has probably adjourned and there are suddenly people on the board (people near the same age as those on the Board) talking about Buzz! Being! The! Answer!
I know you said you're right 100% of the time, if it's Buzz do you care to retract that statement about MU getting great candidates always?
I said "almost" 100 percent of the time. And yes, if Marquette hires Buzz Williams as head coach I retract what I said about candidates.
I honestly think there are high school coaches in Wisconsin more qualifed to coach a veteran team like we'll have next year. How about Diener's uncle?
PRN ... Travis' uncle is retired from coaching and spends his time in Europe following the professional career of his son, Drake. He knows the game inside and out, but has never recruited or coached in Division I basketball.
Buzz may or may not get the job, but I have been absolutely impressed with his recruiting, his energy, his basketball detail and his knowledge of the game. No, he doesn't have the head-coaching experience of guys like Sean Miller or Tony Bennett. Or even Brad Brownell or Brian Gregory. But he can recruit and in the Big East, that is more than 50 percent of the equation for success.
You can have Jesus Christ "spin" Buzz himself and there is no way to fill all the holes in Buzz's resume.
Good recruiter...not great (as far as I know...not ONE top ten recruting class)
Only one year at MU
Only one year as a HC...at New Orleans for goodness sakes
Hire a coach that is worthy of a $1.5M salary...let Buzz pay his dues and get some coaching EXPERIENCE somewhere else at $250K first.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2008, 04:16:24 PM
I just have a hard time that people would be sincerely excited (!) that our new coach is Buzz Williams.
It can't be Williams. It just can't. I would put hiring Wiliams on par with Majerus or KO -- both of which would simply be unacceptable. Surely we can do better.
Quote from: MarkMiller on April 04, 2008, 04:50:05 PM
PRN ... Travis' uncle is retired from coaching and spends his time in Europe following the professional career of his son, Drake. He knows the game inside and out, but has never recruited or coached in Division I basketball.
Buzz may or may not get the job, but I have been absolutely impressed with his recruiting, his energy, his basketball detail and his knowledge of the game. No, he doesn't have the head-coaching experience of guys like Sean Miller or Tony Bennett. Or even Brad Brownell or Dick Gregory. But he can recruit and in the Big East, that is more than 50 percent of the equation for success.
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Dick Gregory?
;)
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2008, 04:23:15 PM
I mean no offense about the age thing. But it's far too coincidental that the BOTs has probably adjourned and there are suddenly people on the board (people near the same age as those on the Board) talking about Buzz! Being! The! Answer!
PRN - I noticed the same thing too. One thing that creeped me out was about a week ago before everything went down, IWB stated that if Crean were to leave MU, the first person he would call is Buzz.
However, Dodds has been supporting Buzz ever since this thing went down, so I am not so sure it is a spin...but I guess we will see.
My small opinion on the search - all I want is a recruiter - but the names out there have not impressed me that much with their recruiting prowess...so I guess lets see what happens...
We can do better then Buzz!
Quote from: muhoops1 on April 04, 2008, 04:09:02 PM
How come Keno (is that his first name) Davis' name isn't mentioned? He's better than Weber or the clown from Dayton.
Good point, muhoops1.
Pros: Don't know anything about his recruiting, but he's Midwestern, young (like 35 or 37 or so), and did some very great things with a mediocre squad...despite flopping in round 1 of the tourney.
Cons: Has a decent amount of experience assistant coaching, but only one year as HC with his dad's recuits. Just about as experienced as Buzz.
With some of the names/links brought up in this thread, in a moment of weakness, I made the mistake of going to the other board today...Evey bit as lame as I remember. Guess I'm good for another 6 months or so.
well, davis isn't certainly my #1, but i was surprised Gregory was being discussed with seriousness. that's why i was interested to see why keno hadn't been mentioned...esp. after winning AP coach of the year
Quote from: MUinCO on April 04, 2008, 04:54:19 PM
Hire a coach that is worthy of a $1.5M salary...let Buzz pay his dues and get some coaching EXPERIENCE somewhere else at $250K first.
If Buzz gets the job, you don't think we're really going to pay him $1.5MM, do you?
This could be a value pick for Father Wild and the BOT. Say what you will about hyperbaric chambers and outlandish perks, but a huge, controllable driver of program budget is coaching salary.
Say you're an exec like Wild. With buyout, Sean Miller is going to cost you $2MM. Meanwhile, your in-house candidate will take the job for $800K
and holds the keys to your next recruiting class and some semblance of program continuity. Which route do you take?
Not to oversimplify this decision, but thinking about it this way makes hiring Buzz look like a win-win for the administration.
Quote from: MarkMiller on April 04, 2008, 04:50:05 PM
PRN ... Travis' uncle is retired from coaching and spends his time in Europe following the professional career of his son, Drake. He knows the game inside and out, but has never recruited or coached in Division I basketball.
Mark I don't know how familiar you are with high school basketball in the state of WI, but Travis has two Uncles who have coached and one still does, very successfully at Vincent HS in Milwaukee.
Quote from: Tmreddevil on April 04, 2008, 05:21:50 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2008, 04:23:15 PM
I mean no offense about the age thing. But it's far too coincidental that the BOTs has probably adjourned and there are suddenly people on the board (people near the same age as those on the Board) talking about Buzz! Being! The! Answer!
PRN - I noticed the same thing too. One thing that creeped me out was about a week ago before everything went down, IWB stated that if Crean were to leave MU, the first person he would call is Buzz.
However, Dodds has been supporting Buzz ever since this thing went down, so I am not so sure it is a spin...but I guess we will see.
My small opinion on the search - all I want is a recruiter - but the names out there have not impressed me that much with their recruiting prowess...so I guess lets see what happens...
Actually Dodds, initially said timing may not be right.
Forgot about Tom ... silly me.
I was being facetious about hiring a high school coach, but I believe you understand my point.
PRN: I do understand your point and there is definitely validity to it.
However, I also feel Buzz will succeed at some point as a high-major Division I coach. Whether it's at Marquette or not remains to be seen, I guess.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 04, 2008, 04:57:58 PM
It can't be Williams. It just can't. I would put hiring Wiliams on par with Majerus or KO -- both of which would simply be unacceptable. Surely we can do better.
Well, if it
is Buzz, I really hope he makes me regret these words. As I said in another thread, I just want the best coach we can get. I didn't (and don't) want to get caught up in the name recognition game and automatically reject people I might not have heard of before. I guess I should say the same thing about guys who were on Crean's staff -- just because he was under our nose doesn't mean he's not good. I just really hope that if they're offering him the job, it's because they think he's the best coach they can get. I think offering it to him because they think he will help keep next year's recruiting class would be a piss poor reason to hire him.
If they hire Buzz, I don't think it would be because Cottingham believes that he will get all four recruits to come to MU. Nick Williams is gone no matter what and in all likelihood Taylor doesn't want to come here either so our top 2 recruits are probably gone no matter what. The only recruit I believe Buzz will be keeping if he becomes head coach is Fulce. I really do believe Otule would come no matter what as we are talking about a Big East school and lots of playing time available.
I don't know much about Buzz, but if I were MU, and it came to Buzz (again, not knowing much about him), I would keep him on a really short leash on him. Hopefully, we learn from our mistakes and don't let a b-ball coach dictate every last portion of his contract only to allow him to throw it in our face at the end of the day. Whether we like it or not, our next coach will be fired or go on to a bigger program. The question remains whether we act like complete fools and think that the next coach is the second coming. At the end of the day, they are all the same.
Quote from: Marquette Gyros on April 04, 2008, 07:22:20 PM
Say you're an exec like Wild. With buyout, Sean Miller is going to cost you $2MM. Meanwhile, your in-house candidate will take the job for $800K and holds the keys to your next recruiting class and some semblance of program continuity. Which route do you take?
Not to oversimplify this decision, but thinking about it this way makes hiring Buzz look like a win-win for the administration.
$800,000! Are you serious? We damn well better not pay the guy that much!
If he is the choice, you double his salary to $400K and give him a four year contract.
This is a guy who was making $150K at New Orleans! He's not in a position to demand $800K!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 04, 2008, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: Marquette Gyros on April 04, 2008, 07:22:20 PM
Say you're an exec like Wild. With buyout, Sean Miller is going to cost you $2MM. Meanwhile, your in-house candidate will take the job for $800K and holds the keys to your next recruiting class and some semblance of program continuity. Which route do you take?
Not to oversimplify this decision, but thinking about it this way makes hiring Buzz look like a win-win for the administration.
$800,000! Are you serious? We damn well better not pay the guy that much!
If he is the choice, you double his salary to $400K and give him a four year contract.
This is a guy who was making $150K at New Orleans! He's not in a position to demand $800K!
Yea and while we are at it no Hummer leases and no perks. Lets make him really earn it. :D