from which it will be easier to recruit, lower grade competition in a less competitive conference.
I've had several jobs in my career and I always made the move for money and position, why should Crean have a different standard.
But the important thing is whether or not you turned in a notice to your previous employer.
Quote from: MUMotivAsian on April 03, 2008, 08:32:56 AM
But the important thing is whether or not you turned in a notice to your previous employer.
Always called my boss and submitted a letter. Some let me talk to the team some escorted me out.
In the end your still gone and they have to pick up the pieces and go on just like we do.
it's not that he left...it's how how left.
Quote from: Phi Iota Gamma 84 on April 03, 2008, 08:36:48 AM
Quote from: MUMotivAsian on April 03, 2008, 08:32:56 AM
But the important thing is whether or not you turned in a notice to your previous employer.
Always called my boss and submitted a letter. Some let me talk to the team some escorted me out.
In the end your still gone and they have to pick up the pieces and go on just like we do.
Well, you're a better man than Crean. A lot of us are fine that he left for Indiana, cuz as Tom said, "It's Indiana, It's Indiana" but like ATWizJr and everyone else has been saying...it's how he left.
In high school, I turned in a two weeks notice to McDonald's to go work at Old Navy, even though I hated it at McDonald's. In those two weeks, they were able to hire three new workers (cuz I was a beast behind the grill) before I left. That's how you do it.
I agree, how he left is certainly less than ideal.
However, the majority of posts on this board are more in the "Crean is a fake and traitor" variety... which I think represents that people are just mad he left... not necessarily how it was done (that just seems to multiply the rage).
It's "only" a 35% raise. But who's counting.
From the trib,
Actually, all the perspective anyone needs is contained in the eight-year, $18.24 million contract to which Crean agreed, its out-of-the-ordinary length and value corresponding to the exceptional challenges the new Hoosiers coach faces immediately.
So if he had a 1.6 million annual salary at MU... that would make it 42.5% raise if my math is correct.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on April 03, 2008, 09:26:01 AM
It's "only" a 35% raise. But who's counting.
Sorry, I was going on the 10 yr 2.3 million reported vs his current 1.5-1.6 million. Very few [honest] posters would not seriously consider a 15% raise let alone 35-50%.
Quote from: 2002mualum on April 03, 2008, 08:54:54 AM
I agree, how he left is certainly less than ideal.
However, the majority of posts on this board are more in the "Crean is a fake and traitor" variety... which I think represents that people are just mad he left... not necessarily how it was done (that just seems to multiply the rage).
Totally agree.
As best as I can tell, people are angry Crean didn't tell Wild/Cottingham/his players that he was taking the Indiana job
before he took the Indiana job. Call me crazy, but I don't see how or why he would do that.
As best as I can tell, as soon as the deal was official Crean did his best to reach Cottingham (failed, because he was on a plane) and called a meeting with his players so he could tell them in person. I can't blame Crean because some mope on the Indiana side leaked to Andy Katz that they were closing in on a deal. Crean can't control what other people choose to say.
As for comparisons here about how some of you left prior employment:
- I'd be stunned if anyone here told their former employers or submitted a letter every time they had discussions with someone else about a career move. Done deal? Absolutely. In talks? Of course not.
- Two weeks notice for a college basketball coaching move? When has that ever happened? IF MU is fortunate enough to hire someone like Sean Miller, would you all be cool with him sticking around Xavier for a couple of weeks while the Spring signing period evaporates and current recruits go elsewhere? I doubt it. I kind of think you'll want him on the job ASAP.
According to TC, this wasn't a business deal. This was about the heart.
Whatever.
Was speaking to a fellow workmate here in NC. Told him about Crean jumping ship for Indiana. From an outsiders perspective, he considered IU job to be one of the elite. However, he also stated the fans will become quickly unhappy and if he doesn't perform up to his 2.3 million salary probably get fired.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2008, 09:53:45 AM
As best as I can tell, people are angry Crean didn't tell Wild/Cottingham/his players that he was taking the Indiana job before he took the Indiana job. Call me crazy, but I don't see how or why he would do that.
As best as I can tell, as soon as the deal was official Crean did his best to reach Cottingham (failed, because he was on a plane) and called a meeting with his players so he could tell them in person. I can't blame Crean because some mope on the Indiana side leaked to Andy Katz that they were closing in on a deal. Crean can't control what other people choose to say
I think you are terribly naive if you think the timing of this wasn't orchestrated EXACTLY the way TC wanted it. Do you really think it was happenstance that he inks the deal, it is "leaked" to the media and then he suddenly realizes that MU administration is on a plane???
My biggest complaint is how he acted while taking the job. I have seen plenty of coaches leaving one place they "loved" that was their "family" for that dream job. They appeared anguished and sad initially leaving before arriving happily at the new "family".
TC acted like the husband who kicks his middle aged wife to the curb, starts screwing the trophy wife without a look back to the wife who stood by him despite his flaws through thick and thin.
F you TC, you are dead to me.
He's been the lead story on ESPN for 2 days now. I think TC got exactly what TC wanted.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 03, 2008, 09:53:45 AM
Quote from: 2002mualum on April 03, 2008, 08:54:54 AM
I agree, how he left is certainly less than ideal.
However, the majority of posts on this board are more in the "Crean is a fake and traitor" variety... which I think represents that people are just mad he left... not necessarily how it was done (that just seems to multiply the rage).
Totally agree.
As best as I can tell, people are angry Crean didn't tell Wild/Cottingham/his players that he was taking the Indiana job before he took the Indiana job. Call me crazy, but I don't see how or why he would do that.
As best as I can tell, as soon as the deal was official Crean did his best to reach Cottingham (failed, because he was on a plane) and called a meeting with his players so he could tell them in person. I can't blame Crean because some mope on the Indiana side leaked to Andy Katz that they were closing in on a deal. Crean can't control what other people choose to say.
As for comparisons here about how some of you left prior employment:
- I'd be stunned if anyone here told their former employers or submitted a letter every time they had discussions with someone else about a career move. Done deal? Absolutely. In talks? Of course not.
- Two weeks notice for a college basketball coaching move? When has that ever happened? IF MU is fortunate enough to hire someone like Sean Miller, would you all be cool with him sticking around Xavier for a couple of weeks while the Spring signing period evaporates and current recruits go elsewhere? I doubt it. I kind of think you'll want him on the job ASAP.
Yea, college hoops can be a cruel game sometimes.
If I'm being totally honest, I wish (and hope) TC would have told Fr. Wild and Cottingham about his offer.
I mean, I'm close enough with my direct supervisor at work that I would tell him if I received an offer. It doesn't mean I don't like where I currently work, but if it was for a significant raise, then I'd at least be giving him a chance to match it or convince me to stay.
I don't think that is too much to ask.
Crean has known Fr. Wild for a long time, so I would hope the relationship was strong enough that coach crean could be honest with Fr. Wild about the IU offer.
However, given how most of these coaching changes have gone down for a lot of schools in the past... (it always seems to be kind of a quick and dirty deal)...
So while I'm disappointed... I'm not too surprised.
Best of luck, coach.
I can't help but be angry with Crean - the team was definitely angry in their meeting with him - it did not go well. But I also don't know what else he could have done. . . but somehow I think there was a better way. Yes, he recruited those players, but without them he is nothing. Without Marquette giving him, an assistant coach, a big chance, he is nothing. I just don't know what to think, but I am mad that it went down this way.
And I suspect that when we hire another coach (and God I pray we do NOT go find some assistant somewhere to bring in) that his school will be feeling the same. But Crean always put on the first-class act - squeaky clean - so I expected more from him.