"We had him for nine years," said former Marquette guard Dwyane Wade, now in his fifth season with the Miami Heat and someone who has remained very close with Crean. "Can't hold the great ones back."
curious if he mentioned how we kicked IU's ass his Frosh year?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2008, 12:22:11 AM
"We had him for nine years," said former Marquette guard Dwyane Wade.
Glad to hear DW3 still refer to the Marquette family as "we"! After all the news from the past 2 days, I had a horrible feeling that Wade would jump on the IU & Crean wagon. I'm glad to see that he still has loyalty to MU and I hope he also jumps in and supports our new coach. I wonder if Wade would call our current players and tell them to hang in there?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2008, 12:22:11 AM
"We had him for nine years," said former Marquette guard Dwyane Wade, now in his fifth season with the Miami Heat and someone who has remained very close with Crean. "Can't hold the great ones back."
"Great Ones". Crean certainly has not earned that accolade, please.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 03, 2008, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2008, 12:22:11 AM
"We had him for nine years," said former Marquette guard Dwyane Wade, now in his fifth season with the Miami Heat and someone who has remained very close with Crean. "Can't hold the great ones back."
"Great Ones". Crean certainly has not earned that accolade, please.
Nope, but when Wade says it, a whole lot of 17 year old recruits will believe it. At the end of the day it's perception guys. Crean will use that to his advantage and will be successful for it. Half the battle is PR and recruiting and they go hand in hand.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2008, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 03, 2008, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2008, 12:22:11 AM
"We had him for nine years," said former Marquette guard Dwyane Wade, now in his fifth season with the Miami Heat and someone who has remained very close with Crean. "Can't hold the great ones back."
"Great Ones". Crean certainly has not earned that accolade, please.
Nope, but when Wade says it, a whole lot of 17 year old recruits will believe it. At the end of the day it's perception guys. Crean will use that to his advantage and will be successful for it. Half the battle is PR and recruiting and they go hand in hand.
Then why wasn't Crean able to land a big-time recruits?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2008, 11:28:09 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2008, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 03, 2008, 09:42:07 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 03, 2008, 12:22:11 AM
"We had him for nine years," said former Marquette guard Dwyane Wade, now in his fifth season with the Miami Heat and someone who has remained very close with Crean. "Can't hold the great ones back."
"Great Ones". Crean certainly has not earned that accolade, please.
Nope, but when Wade says it, a whole lot of 17 year old recruits will believe it. At the end of the day it's perception guys. Crean will use that to his advantage and will be successful for it. Half the battle is PR and recruiting and they go hand in hand.
Then why wasn't Crean able to land a big-time recruits?
He did....6 guys in the top 100 just in the last 4 years, put three of his recruits in the NBA.
Want to bet he lands some incredible ones at IU?
I sure hope this next guy we get is just landing top 40 guys left and right because if he isn't, wow then I guess he can't recruit either.
any moron can recruit for Indiana - can they win the Big Ten? get to the sweet 16 - these will be benchmarks for success at Indiana.
I am willing to bet that we'll never again have a roster with 8 guards and 2 6'5" forwards.
And I could care less who that jackass lands at Indiana. I sincerely hope he is an unmitigated failure and is somehow personally disgraced in the next few years, preferably because of an affair with one of his players.
I am ashamed he's been the face of Marquette basketball for as long as he has been.
Quote from: mviale on April 03, 2008, 11:32:52 AM
any moron can recruit for Indiana - can they win the Big Ten? get to the sweet 16 - these will be benchmarks for success at Indiana.
I agree, that will be how he is judged. I think the greater point is how hard it is to recruit to Marquette and Crean landed plenty of very good players, including 4 that are scheduled to come in. He did not do a stellar job recruiting, but enough to make us the 3rd winningest team in the Big East....I'm sorry, that's getting it done.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2008, 11:35:07 AM
I am willing to bet that we'll never again have a roster with 8 guards and 2 6'5" forwards.
And I could care less who that jackass lands at Indiana. I sincerely hope he is an unmitigated failure and is somehow personally disgraced in the next few years, preferably because of an affair with one of his players.
I am ashamed he's been the face of Marquette basketball for as long as he has been.
Did the roster of 8 guards lead to success for MU? Isn't that what it's all about? Success
You're ashamed? Wow....and really you should seek some help for your other statement. Cura Personalis.
I'm pissed as all get out how this thing went down, I'm not ashamed or pissed at having 8 post season bids in 9 years, a Final Four trip, 89% graduation rate and no problems with the NCAA. Those are not things that make me ashamed.
In fact, living out here in California, those were the kinds of things where the average Joe said...Marquette...yeah they got a good team. I never heard of them before but it's fun watching you guys.
Ashamed....sometimes PRN .... I don't know what to say. Ashamed? Please
He did ok recruiting wise, but we dont have alot to show for it. Dwade was a once in a lifetime catch.
Quote from: mviale on April 03, 2008, 11:40:04 AM
He did ok recruiting wise, but we dont have alot to show for it. Dwade was a once in a lifetime catch.
And must we remind everyone that Wade was not heavily recruited by anyone else. We got lucky with DWade.
Quote from: mosarsour on April 03, 2008, 11:54:28 AM
Quote from: mviale on April 03, 2008, 11:40:04 AM
He did ok recruiting wise, but we dont have alot to show for it. Dwade was a once in a lifetime catch.
And must we remind everyone that Wade was not heavily recruited by anyone else. We got lucky with DWade.
Once again, Crean had to have seen something in DWade that other coaches didn't see. Anyone can offer a scholarship to a Blue Chip, but it takes a special recruiter to offer a schollie to a nobody who becomes a future star.
Well, DWade's comment is telling. "Can't hold the great ones back" I'm not focusing on the "great ones" part. I am focusing on the word "back" - meaning that Marquette was not a place to be - there was lots more in front of Marquette to go after if you are good.
ugh. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but ugh.
It's Indiana. Indiana.
We all realize MU is not Indiana. Or Carolina or UCLA. Never will be. That's OK.
Quote from: Daniel on April 03, 2008, 12:06:33 PM
Well, DWade's comment is telling. "Can't hold the great ones back" I'm not focusing on the "great ones" part. I am focusing on the word "back" - meaning that Marquette was not a place to be - there was lots more in front of Marquette to go after if you are good.
ugh. Maybe I am reading too much into it, but ugh.
Calm down. As much as we like to pretend it is, because we love MU, this is not the pinnacle. In just about every field, there is something better than MU. That's not a diss--I'm an MU alum and a proud one-- but I also recognize that we're not No. 1. That's OK. It doesn't mean we're not a great university/basketball program/place to drink beer/etc. Just means there's better universities/basketball programs/places to drink beer/etc. out there. Truth hurts sometimes.
It's probably fairly easy to correlate those bashing Crean to those trying to defend him to graduation years. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought Crean was great for Marquette (with all his flaws, overrecruting guards and all). But I think that in particular relative to the fact that Dukiet was coach when I went to Marquette.
So Crean did seem like Al Jr. to me because that's my perspective.
Quote from: JetCityWarrior on April 03, 2008, 05:24:23 PM
It's probably fairly easy to correlate those bashing Crean to those trying to defend him to graduation years. Maybe I'm wrong here, but I thought Crean was great for Marquette (with all his flaws, overrecruting guards and all). But I think that in particular relative to the fact that Dukiet was coach when I went to Marquette.
So Crean did seem like Al Jr. to me because that's my perspective.
I was at MU when we won in 77. I' not a Crean basher or worshipper -- thought that he was on balance a definite plus for MU -- though I thought that his flaws, as well as his strengths, were pretty obvious.
I do think that my opinion on things might definitely be different if I had started following MU during the Dukiet years. I would probably be more pissed off and/or depressed over this week's events. I'm not pleased with the
way things went down, but I am honestly not crushed over the possibilities of a new regime. Sure, things could go downhill -- but they could also get even better. Time will tell.
Well, I do agree that things might get better. We should set our sights high and higher the best we can. And yeah, I know Marquette's not the pinnacle. I was in grad school at Marquette in '77, so I just can't help loving this place :)
Quote from: JetCityWarrior on April 03, 2008, 05:24:23 PM
So Crean did seem like Al Jr. to me because that's my perspective.
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE Do not refer to Crean as Al Jr. I don't mind Crean leaving, but I'll take the influence Al left on MU and college basketball/this community over what Bobby Knight did at IU. While Bobby has plenty of impressive things on his resume, he also has shot 3, 4, 5 people, been banned from a country, told women to enjoy being raped if they can't avoid it, etc... Crean talked so much about Al, and partially because of Crean we have the Al, but to then walk into IU and act like Al and MU don't compare I have to wonder if Crean cared about Al or was nothing more than a well groomed politician???
...I'll take "Well Groomed Politician" for a hundred, avid.