I'm just throwing it out there, not looking to blow you guys up. You have had the most faith in this program beyond Crean, so convince me that a new AD with no experience, an administration that has me less then confident with other decisions is going to announce to all of us that Mr. ______ ___________ is coming to Marquette to keep us AT A MINIMUM where we are now, but more importantly taking us to the next level that you guys have constantly reminded us Crean wasn't taking us.
I'd be curious who you three think we are going to hire.
Thanks
I'll sit back and listen
and may he rest in peace, but Al McGuire isnt an option
Sit back and listen....
LOL!!! That would be a first!!
Why don't you tell us Mr. Athletic Dept Boy who is the next Golden Child?
God Speed Tommy....
the morons who wanted TC gone won't be able to come up with a name. No one will ever be good enough for those clowns.
Quote from: ecompt on April 01, 2008, 08:48:24 PM
the morons who wanted TC gone won't be able to come up with a name. No one will ever be good enough for those clowns.
But they will be infuriated when new Head Coach (insert name here) participates in a self-promoting press conference to announce his hiring.
Quote from: only a warrior on April 01, 2008, 08:46:33 PM
Sit back and listen....
LOL!!! That would be a first!!
Why don't you tell us Mr. Athletic Dept Boy who is the next Golden Child?
God Speed Tommy....
I liked the guy we had in place....I have no idea who we hire, but I did just send Bill Cords a private email hoping like hell he's involved.
I'm shocked that the responses haven't come in yet from at least one of the three this message was sent to....I would think they would be rolling off their tongues so fast.
I hope like crazy, I mean this in the most honest sincerity, that they are right...that today sucks and tomorrow is brighter then ever. I want to be convinced. I'd be curious who it's going to be. Fingers crossed these three are right, I have my sincere doubts but one or two hires could sway that opinion in a New York second.
Chicos, who are your choices? I didn't see any yet, and with that comment at the end I'm curious.
I could be pompous and say anyone would be better, but Chicos, I'll take the question seriously and answer the same way as well:
1. Sean Miller--would be a dynamite hire. His teams play hard and he gets it. Would absolutely love him to be the next Warriors' coach. Probably can be had for the right price and MU would be foolish not to pay whatever it takes.
2. Tony Bennett--up and coming young capable coach who played the game. Has strong ties to the area and would return the lost defense MU always had as its signature. Winning basketball is not boring.
3. Kelvin Stallings--stellar record at Vandy. Safe hire that would bring stability.
Quote from: drewm88 on April 01, 2008, 09:00:42 PM
Chicos, who are your choices? I didn't see any yet, and with that comment at the end I'm curious.
About to go up on the blog in a few minutes....I know it's got you on the edge of your seat. ;)
4ever had my two of mine but I would go with Kevin Stallings over Kelvin Stallings (just kidding 4ever, we are brothers).
I have also said Pearl (stranger things have happened). I'd interview Scott Drew.
IMO at the end of the day if MU keeps the investment to MU at the level it has been, we should be okay.
My biggest concern (and Chicos I think you share these thoughts) is who is doing the hiring? This is why not hiring a real AD was a foolish decision. And that goes back to one of my biggest issues with TC, his power at MU was unhealthy and for what? We hired an AD b/c it was the best for TC and he left months after that.
I heard the buyout for Sean Miller is $2 mill
4ever:
Do you think Crean's players didn't "play hard"? Seriously?
Why would Stallings leave Vandy for MU? Is that a step up? I don't think so.
DamonKey:
Do you think Pearl would leave Tennessee for MU? Don't think so.
Drew is a decent guess as an interview.
So, it's seems to come down to Bennett and Drew. What in these two guys VERY short careers leads you to believe they will be any better than Crean. Certainly, one couldn't use their career NCAA and coaching records as any sure fire gauge.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 01, 2008, 09:02:28 PM
I could be pompous and say anyone would be better, but Chicos, I'll take the question seriously and answer the same way as well:
1. Sean Miller--would be a dynamite hire. His teams play hard and he gets it. Would absolutely love him to be the next Warriors' coach. Probably can be had for the right price and MU would be foolish not to pay whatever it takes.
2. Tony Bennett--up and coming young capable coach who played the game. Has strong ties to the area and would return the lost defense MU always had as its signature. Winning basketball is not boring.
3. Kelvin Stallings--stellar record at Vandy. Safe hire that would bring stability.
I would be shocked if Tony Bennett turns down IU then come to MU. not gonna happen.
Sean miller would be a great hire, I suspect he is not interested in leaving X yet unless Dick Strong ponies up.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2008, 08:55:02 PMI hope like crazy, I mean this in the most honest sincerity, that they are right...that today sucks and tomorrow is brighter then ever. I want to be convinced. I'd be curious who it's going to be. Fingers crossed these three are right, I have my sincere doubts but one or two hires could sway that opinion in a New York second.
I second those sentiments.
Those are great choices guys....ones we would all be thrilled with. Now, suppose...and I know this will blow your mind....suppose all those guys say not interested. Who's the next set of candidates, of the literally thousands that are next on your list. You gave the easy ones, now let's get to brass tax.
I'd be thrilled with any that you mentioned other then Pearl for reasons I don't need to get into....now let's go down that next step as I'm not nearly as confident MU could get any of those guys.
You can play this thread ad nauseum. If the money is right, they're not going to say no.
Just to appease you: Pearl ain't coming anyway.
Drew
Alford
Turgeon
Braun
Horn
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 01, 2008, 10:17:41 PM
You can play this thread ad nauseum. If the money is right, they're not going to say no.
Just to appease you: Pearl ain't coming anyway.
Drew
Alford
Turgeon
Braun
Horn
Please tell me that the Alford on that list is someone other than Steve Alford.
Let me get this straight ... you have issues with how Tom Crean conducts himself, but you're OK with a man who coddles a rapist while using a young woman's faith in an effort to get her to recant legitimate accusations?
Nice.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 01, 2008, 10:17:41 PM
You can play this thread ad nauseum. If the money is right, they're not going to say no.
Just to appease you: Pearl ain't coming anyway.
Drew
Alford
Turgeon
Braun
Horn
You seriously have Alford and Ben Braun ahead of Crean.....all I needed to know. Thanks
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2008, 10:03:30 PM
Those are great choices guys....ones we would all be thrilled with. Now, suppose...and I know this will blow your mind....suppose all those guys say not interested. Who's the next set of candidates, of the literally thousands that are next on your list. You gave the easy ones, now let's get to brass tax.
I'd be thrilled with any that you mentioned other then Pearl for reasons I don't need to get into....now let's go down that next step as I'm not nearly as confident MU could get any of those guys.
I don't know all the top prospects Chicos, but the that's what the AD is for, to make tough decisions, oh wait to appease TC we hired a newbie AD and now when we really need one we're screwed. Ironic, isn't it? Wonder how the MU admin feels today, they gave him everything he wanted right down to sacrificing the betterment of the entire ath dept and he left. I don't begrudge him for leaving but when you hire a particular AD to placate the coach and the coach leaves in 3 months, it sort of stings.
Quote from: DamonKeysContactLens on April 01, 2008, 10:53:22 PM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on April 01, 2008, 10:03:30 PM
Those are great choices guys....ones we would all be thrilled with. Now, suppose...and I know this will blow your mind....suppose all those guys say not interested. Who's the next set of candidates, of the literally thousands that are next on your list. You gave the easy ones, now let's get to brass tax.
I'd be thrilled with any that you mentioned other then Pearl for reasons I don't need to get into....now let's go down that next step as I'm not nearly as confident MU could get any of those guys.
I don't know all the top prospects Chicos, but the that's what the AD is for, to make tough decisions, oh wait to appease TC we hired a newbie AD and now when we really need one we're screwed. Ironic, isn't it? Wonder how the MU admin feels today, they gave him everything he wanted right down to sacrificing the betterment of the entire ath dept and he left. I don't begrudge him for leaving but when you hire a particular AD to placate the coach and the coach leaves in 3 months, it sort of stings.
If they wanted to placate TC they would have hired Broeker, not Cottingham. Word going around is that TC and Cottingham did not get along.
Last add, Chicos this isn't the MU you left in 2001. There is a 35 million dollar practice facility, chartered flights, an unreal recruiting budgets complete with private jets for the coach, very competitive salaries for assistants and support staff, and power for a coach that is unrivaled. If we handle it right, we'll get a decent coach. He may not be Mr PR but maybe he makes up for that with working officials...
Vandy crashed and burned in the Tourney. Weren't they a 4 seed? Isn't that why you didn't like Crean?
Chicos, I'm not sure if this was you or not, but I saw the mention of Bruce Weber over at Cracked Sidewalks and I'd endorse that move. Don't get me wrong... he's far from a perfect coach. His recruiting probably isn't a whole lot better (if at all better) than Crean's, but on the other hand, he can coach defense as well or better than Crean can. Even his terrible teams (read: this year's Illini) could play really good defense (I'm fairly certain the Pomeroy rankings agree with me on this level to a certain extent -- obviously they weren't top 10 but I think top 30-40 which is decent considering how terrible they were this season).
I think Marquette's biggest lure may be the $$$ they can give to the next coach. Crean was getting $1.6 million which is -- I think -- fifth in the country. That's twice the amount that Weber is getting and probably is something like 2.5 times the amount some smaller school coaches are getting (like Lowery at SIU).
Kelvin Sampson. Third time is the charm, right?
Quote from: CWSKeith on April 01, 2008, 11:37:37 PM
Chicos, I'm not sure if this was you or not, but I saw the mention of Bruce Weber over at Cracked Sidewalks and I'd endorse that move. Don't get me wrong... he's far from a perfect coach. His recruiting probably isn't a whole lot better (if at all better) than Crean's, but on the other hand, he can coach defense as well or better than Crean can. Even his terrible teams (read: this year's Illini) could play really good defense (I'm fairly certain the Pomeroy rankings agree with me on this level to a certain extent -- obviously they weren't top 10 but I think top 30-40 which is decent considering how terrible they were this season).
I think Marquette's biggest lure may be the $$$ they can give to the next coach. Crean was getting $1.6 million which is -- I think -- fifth in the country. That's twice the amount that Weber is getting and probably is something like 2.5 times the amount some smaller school coaches are getting (like Lowery at SIU).
Yeah Weber was one of my mentions but I'm not thrilled with it, though it could work. Lavin could in a weird way, but risky.
Damon....totally agree with you on Cottingham and I made that statement months ago. Having said that, BMA is correct, if you wanted to appease Crean you would have hired Broecker not Cottingham.
But that, my friend, is why I didn't want Crean to leave. As I had stated here on countless times, a pain in the ass to work for, and yes he has qualities of a used car salesman at times but he also got MU in the limelight more then anytime I can remember. But he was there and it didn't put the onus on Cottingham and administration to make a criticial hire....a hire that too many people here think is something akin to opening up the yellow pages. A few posters making even silly claims about how we've never had bad candidates in the past....O M F G. Yes we have.
Now the question is the amount of money spent on MU, etc that you talk about...will that still be coming now that Crean is gone or was it because Crean was there. That's going to be a big part of the entire equation.
Top of List...
Rick Majurus... finish the journey at home and play HORSE at Neskara School
Kelvin Sampson... He would be motivated to "stick it....." to IU and out-coach Crean (doesn't take much)
Tubby Smith... to keep players and recruits and the Big East future MU must bring in Da Big Hitters !
Quote from: streetlife on April 02, 2008, 12:02:51 AM
Top of List...
Rick Majurus... finish the journey at home and play HORSE at Neskara School
Kelvin Sampson... He would be motivated to "stick it....." to IU and out-coach Crean (doesn't take much)
Tubby Smith... to keep players and recruits and the Big East future MU must bring in Da Big Hitters !
I was just wondering is this Mike McCarter?
LMAO - that is the ultimate insider reference.
Chicos:
Buzz Williams
Mark Fox of Nevada
Buzz is the number one internal canidate. Mark has accomplished a lot and we could get him . . . oh yeah he can develop big men but you wouldn't know a thing about that so its probably a foreign concept.
buzz williams or phil martelli - those are the choices in my book
We need to go East Coast if not Buzz....a Hurley?
all this talk about buzz...we know he's a good recruiter but has anyone seen any of his in-game coaching? is he any good at the coaching part of being a coach?
Quote from: thatman32 on April 02, 2008, 12:40:21 AM
Chicos:
Buzz Williams
Mark Fox of Nevada
Buzz is the number one internal canidate. Mark has accomplished a lot and we could get him . . . oh yeah he can develop big men but you wouldn't know a thing about that so its probably a foreign concept.
I wouldn't know a thing about developing big men? Too funny. Of course you also said Crean was a lousy coach and one of the premier programs in the country just game him $20 million...so who really doesn't know what they're talking about?
LOL
I've not been able to make it through all the posts speculating possible hires, but I've not seen anyone mention Mike Montgomery, formerly of Stanford and the NBA. Then again, I agree with the idea that someone with definitive ties to either the east coast or the south may be especially desirable.
Quote from: farmdaddy on April 01, 2008, 09:22:52 PM
I heard the buyout for Sean Miller is $2 mill
simple solution. hire miller. pay his buyout clause. offer him a competitive salary and make the new buyout clause $3m if he leaves mu. it wouldn't be a wasted $2m and MU could turn a profit if he leaves down the road.